| gamerchick02 | agree, mrgoodcat. | 01:05 |
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| jrwren | i don't follow any of those sites :) | 01:10 |
| cmaloney | I gave up on the macintosh when Apple decided "going nuclear" was more imporant than competing. | 02:51 |
| jrwren | wtf does that mean? | 03:09 |
| cmaloney | Patent nonsense | 03:09 |
| jrwren | oh, well then you really can't buy a laptop. | 03:10 |
| jrwren | stick to 15yo desktops... :) | 03:10 |
| cmaloney | We bought a Dell w/ Ubuntu on it. | 03:10 |
| cmaloney | XPS | 03:10 |
| jrwren | lots of patents in that laptop, i'm sure. | 03:11 |
| cmaloney | It was kind of the last straw for me with Apple | 03:11 |
| cmaloney | I don't have a problem with patents | 03:11 |
| jrwren | i'm happy mp3 patents expired and are expiring. | 03:11 |
| cmaloney | I have a problem when companies use them to try to screw with other companies | 03:11 |
| jrwren | what other purpose would a patent serve? | 03:12 |
| cmaloney | http://gizmodo.com/5851937/steve-jobs-was-ready-for-thermonuclear-war-with-google | 03:12 |
| jrwren | lol | 03:12 |
| jrwren | oh, that was always the rumor wasn't it... that Jobs was PISSED about android. | 03:12 |
| cmaloney | He was | 03:13 |
| cmaloney | and understandably so | 03:13 |
| cmaloney | but it was totally the look-and-feel bullshit of the 1980s | 03:13 |
| cmaloney | it didn't work then and it didn't work in 2011 | 03:13 |
| jrwren | yeah, such a waste | 03:13 |
| cmaloney | save for a few things that they got Samsung to stop doing because they were really close to what Apple was doing | 03:14 |
| cmaloney | but yeah, I hate it when companies do software patent pile-on | 03:14 |
| cmaloney | Not that I missed much. Unfortunately Apple was dealt a mortal blow when Steve passed | 03:14 |
| cmaloney | Merlin Mann had a good quote about it in this last Back to Work episode | 03:15 |
| jrwren | i laugh at folks who think that. | 03:15 |
| jrwren | if anything, apple is making worse IP decisions with Jobs gone. | 03:15 |
| jrwren | the samba removal in favor of the other shittier SMB client wouldn't have happened under Jobs IMO... because it works for shit. | 03:16 |
| cmaloney | along the lines of a razor where he says "what would an Operations-person at Apple do" | 03:17 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 03:17 |
| cmaloney | their software decisions have been sketchy at best | 03:18 |
| jrwren | yeah, no plugable codecs in corevideo... no plugable codecs at all because Quicktime is gone. | 03:20 |
| jrwren | macos just gets worse and worse with every release. | 03:21 |
| jrwren | HUGE opportunity for someone to come in and do better. | 03:21 |
| jrwren | Because same is true for windows... worse and worse with every release for 10yrs now. | 03:21 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's like mobile became a thing and then suddenly everyone lost sight of making the desktop better. ;) | 03:26 |
| cmaloney | Speaking of boneheaded moves: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/04/microsoft-formally-bans-emulators-on-xbox-windows-10-download-shops/ | 03:27 |
| cmaloney | morning | 12:39 |
| cmaloney | And the first coding interview of the morning is done | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | Got another one where I'm "pair programming" over Zoom | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | that's at 1pm | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | Put another nickel in the cup and watch the monkey dance | 15:18 |
| Zimdale | By "pair programming" do they mean "You program while we watch"? | 15:18 |
| cmaloney | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg/220px-Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | Fuck if I know | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | Probably | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | This is for Deepfield, so... | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/01/c2/f7/01c2f7c7cdb7a2c6129f3c4eab5062f8.jpg | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | Today's twist on the fibonacci sequence: print the first number that has X digits in it | 15:23 |
| cmaloney | also: not fizzbuzz, and adding English-comma-rules for a list. | 15:23 |
| Zimdale | while still fibonacciing? | 15:23 |
| cmaloney | Naturally | 15:23 |
| Zimdale | Interesting | 15:24 |
| cmaloney | So I looked up a fibonacci sequence online (brute force, recursive) and added logic for string length | 15:24 |
| cmaloney | They had one for memoized versions but it was also a timed test and I knew the one worked. | 15:25 |
| cmaloney | since I'm going to use it for my example code for my debugging talk | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | Since apparently the only thing computers are good for are fib sequences. | 15:26 |
| Zimdale | I mean that's all I ever do all day | 15:26 |
| Zimdale | fibonacci as a service | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | That and printing FIZZ BUZZ | 15:27 |
| jrwren | how many digits? larger than int64? do you have ot use bigint? | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Didn't say | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | If it goes over bigint then it'll stack overflow | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | and frankly that's not a problem for a 3 problem 45 minute test. :) | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | code works for the tests provied. | 15:28 |
| cmaloney | I programmed out of a paper bag. You didn't say it was Tyvek. :) | 15:28 |
| razma | Hello | 17:17 |
| mrgoodcat | hello | 17:21 |
| Zimdale | hello | 17:29 |
| greg-g | hello | 17:33 |
| jrwren | hello! | 17:33 |
| jrwren | new barbership quintet, right there. | 17:33 |
| razma | heh. I'm newer to linux and looking for a community of sorts | 17:34 |
| jrwren | razma: we are that. Welcome. | 17:34 |
| mrgoodcat | razma: i'd give you a proper welcome but my torch and pitchfork are in the shed and I don't really feel like going to get them so I guess i'll just settle with 'hello' | 17:35 |
| razma | lol | 17:36 |
| cmaloney | Just finished my interview | 18:00 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: how did it go? | 18:01 |
| rick_h | cmaloney: cheering from down here. | 18:07 |
| cmaloney | meh | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | It was processing data from an obviously messed up csv file | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | while two people looked in via screen share | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | Try it some time | 18:11 |
| cmaloney | (oh, and then blank out about how Python dictionaries handle adding data without a key being present. That's a fun one too.) | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | so I made code, and it looks like shit | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | because stream-of-conciousness coding is what people want now | 18:13 |
| Zimdale | Was that the "pair programming"? | 18:13 |
| cmaloney | Yes | 18:14 |
| Zimdale | did they contribute? | 18:14 |
| cmaloney | Pair as in "you code on your machine, we watch voyeuristically" | 18:14 |
| cmaloney | a bit | 18:14 |
| cmaloney | It was sort of helpful, but kind of stressful | 18:14 |
| Zimdale | "You code on your machine while we watch and make judgemental noises" | 18:14 |
| mrgoodcat | had to do something similar while i was looking for the job i'm at now | 18:15 |
| cmaloney | Or "What are you thinking now"? | 18:15 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Fun stuff | 18:15 |
| mrgoodcat | and the guy watching me code randomly said "sorry i walked away for a bit what did i miss?" | 18:15 |
| jrwren | lol, yeah... you have to get used to explaining EVERYTHING as you are doing it... cuz they want to know what you are thinking at each step for that kind of interview. | 18:15 |
| mrgoodcat | i was like um idk how long you've been gone | 18:15 |
| jrwren | I pretend that I'm teaching 5th graders how to program when I'm those interview situations. | 18:15 |
| cmaloney | I'm kind of an introverted coder though | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | explaining as I'm going is not how I tend to think | 18:16 |
| brousch__ | Yuck | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | Maybe if I were in "presenter mode" | 18:16 |
| cmaloney | but I'm also under stress, so presenter mode tends to shut off | 18:17 |
| mrgoodcat | when i'm preparing for interview i make screencasts for the wmu computer club | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: That's a good idea. | 18:18 |
| mrgoodcat | they're all young and easily impressed and it helps get me into the mindset of explaining my code | 18:18 |
| cmaloney | Ah well. | 18:27 |
| mrgoodcat | apparently NYC just made it illegal to ask about previous salary in interviews | 19:35 |
| mrgoodcat | speaking of job interviews | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | Nice | 19:35 |
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