[01:05] <gamerchick02> agree, mrgoodcat.
[01:10] <jrwren> i don't follow any of those sites :)
[02:51] <cmaloney> I gave up on the macintosh when Apple decided "going nuclear" was more imporant than competing.
[03:09] <jrwren> wtf does that mean?
[03:09] <cmaloney> Patent nonsense
[03:10] <jrwren> oh, well then you really can't buy a laptop.
[03:10] <jrwren> stick to 15yo desktops... :)
[03:10] <cmaloney> We bought a Dell w/ Ubuntu on it.
[03:10] <cmaloney> XPS
[03:11] <jrwren> lots of patents in that laptop, i'm sure.
[03:11] <cmaloney> It was kind of the last straw for me with Apple
[03:11] <cmaloney> I don't have a problem with patents
[03:11] <jrwren> i'm happy mp3 patents expired and are expiring.
[03:11] <cmaloney> I have a problem when companies use them to try to screw with other companies
[03:12] <jrwren> what other purpose would a patent serve?
[03:12] <cmaloney> http://gizmodo.com/5851937/steve-jobs-was-ready-for-thermonuclear-war-with-google
[03:12] <jrwren> lol
[03:12] <jrwren> oh, that was always the rumor wasn't it... that Jobs was PISSED about android.
[03:13] <cmaloney> He was
[03:13] <cmaloney> and understandably so
[03:13] <cmaloney> but it was totally the look-and-feel bullshit of the 1980s
[03:13] <cmaloney> it didn't work then and it didn't work in 2011
[03:13] <jrwren> yeah, such a waste
[03:14] <cmaloney> save for a few things that they got Samsung to stop doing because they were really close to what Apple was doing
[03:14] <cmaloney> but yeah, I hate it when companies do software patent pile-on
[03:14] <cmaloney> Not that I missed much. Unfortunately Apple was dealt a mortal blow when Steve passed
[03:15] <cmaloney> Merlin Mann had a good quote about it in this last Back to Work episode
[03:15] <jrwren> i laugh at folks who think that.
[03:15] <jrwren> if anything, apple is making worse IP decisions with Jobs gone.
[03:16] <jrwren> the samba removal in favor of the other shittier SMB client wouldn't have happened under Jobs IMO... because it works for shit.
[03:17] <cmaloney> along the lines of a razor where he says "what would an Operations-person at Apple do"
[03:17] <cmaloney> Yeah
[03:18] <cmaloney> their software decisions have been sketchy at best
[03:20] <jrwren> yeah, no plugable codecs in corevideo... no plugable codecs at all because Quicktime is gone.
[03:21] <jrwren> macos just gets worse and worse with every release.
[03:21] <jrwren> HUGE opportunity for someone to come in and do better.
[03:21] <jrwren> Because same is true for windows... worse and worse with every release for 10yrs now.
[03:26] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's like mobile became a thing and then suddenly everyone lost sight of making the desktop better. ;)
[03:27] <cmaloney> Speaking of boneheaded moves: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/04/microsoft-formally-bans-emulators-on-xbox-windows-10-download-shops/
[12:39] <cmaloney> morning
[15:17] <cmaloney> And the first coding interview of the morning is done
[15:17] <cmaloney> Got another one where I'm "pair programming" over Zoom
[15:17] <cmaloney> that's at 1pm
[15:18] <cmaloney> Put another nickel in the cup and watch the monkey dance
[15:18] <Zimdale> By "pair programming" do they mean "You program while we watch"?
[15:19] <cmaloney> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg/220px-Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg
[15:19] <cmaloney> Fuck if I know
[15:19] <cmaloney> Probably
[15:19] <cmaloney> This is for Deepfield, so...
[15:19] <cmaloney> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/01/c2/f7/01c2f7c7cdb7a2c6129f3c4eab5062f8.jpg
[15:23] <cmaloney> Today's twist on the fibonacci sequence: print the first number that has X digits in it
[15:23] <cmaloney> also: not fizzbuzz, and adding English-comma-rules for a list.
[15:23] <Zimdale> while still fibonacciing?
[15:23] <cmaloney> Naturally
[15:24] <Zimdale> Interesting
[15:24] <cmaloney> So I looked up a fibonacci sequence online (brute force, recursive) and added logic for string length
[15:25] <cmaloney> They had one for memoized versions but it was also a timed test and I knew the one worked.
[15:26] <cmaloney> since I'm going to use it for my example code for my debugging talk
[15:26] <cmaloney> Since apparently the only thing computers are good for are fib sequences.
[15:26] <Zimdale> I mean that's all I ever do all day
[15:27] <Zimdale> fibonacci as a service
[15:27] <cmaloney> That and printing FIZZ BUZZ
[15:27] <jrwren> how many digits? larger than int64? do you have ot use bigint?
[15:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: Didn't say
[15:27] <cmaloney> If it goes over bigint then it'll stack overflow
[15:27] <cmaloney> and frankly that's not a problem for a 3 problem 45 minute test. :)
[15:28] <cmaloney> code works for the tests provied.
[15:28] <cmaloney> I programmed out of a paper bag. You didn't say it was Tyvek. :)
[17:17] <razma> Hello
[17:21] <mrgoodcat> hello
[17:29] <Zimdale> hello
[17:33] <greg-g> hello
[17:33] <jrwren> hello!
[17:33] <jrwren> new barbership quintet, right there.
[17:34] <razma> heh.  I'm newer to linux and looking for a community of sorts
[17:34] <jrwren> razma: we are that. Welcome.
[17:35] <mrgoodcat> razma: i'd give you a proper welcome but my torch and pitchfork are in the shed and I don't really feel like going to get them so I guess i'll just settle with 'hello'
[17:36] <razma> lol
[18:00] <cmaloney> Just finished my interview
[18:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: how did it go?
[18:07] <rick_h> cmaloney: cheering from down here.
[18:11] <cmaloney> meh
[18:11] <cmaloney> It was processing data from an obviously messed up csv file
[18:11] <cmaloney> while two people looked in via screen share
[18:11] <cmaloney> Try it some time
[18:12] <cmaloney> (oh, and then blank out about how Python dictionaries handle adding data without a key being present. That's a fun one too.)
[18:12] <cmaloney> so I made code, and it looks like shit
[18:13] <cmaloney> because stream-of-conciousness coding is what people want now
[18:13] <Zimdale> Was that the "pair programming"?
[18:14] <cmaloney> Yes
[18:14] <Zimdale> did they contribute?
[18:14] <cmaloney> Pair as in "you code on your machine, we watch voyeuristically"
[18:14] <cmaloney> a bit
[18:14] <cmaloney> It was sort of helpful, but kind of stressful
[18:14] <Zimdale> "You code on your machine while we watch and make judgemental noises"
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> had to do something similar while i was looking for the job i'm at now
[18:15] <cmaloney> Or "What are you thinking now"?
[18:15] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Fun stuff
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> and the guy watching me code randomly said "sorry i walked away for a bit what did i miss?"
[18:15] <jrwren> lol, yeah... you have to get used to explaining EVERYTHING as you are doing it... cuz they want to know what you are thinking at each step for that kind of interview.
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> i was like um idk how long you've been gone
[18:15] <jrwren> I pretend that I'm teaching 5th graders how to program when I'm those interview situations.
[18:16] <cmaloney> I'm kind of an introverted coder though
[18:16] <cmaloney> explaining as I'm going is not how I tend to think
[18:16] <brousch__> Yuck
[18:16] <cmaloney> Maybe if I were in "presenter mode"
[18:17] <cmaloney> but I'm also under stress, so presenter mode tends to shut off
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> when i'm preparing for interview i make screencasts for the wmu computer club
[18:18] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: That's a good idea.
[18:18] <mrgoodcat> they're all young and easily impressed and it helps get me into the mindset of explaining my code
[18:27] <cmaloney> Ah well.
[19:35] <mrgoodcat> apparently NYC just made it illegal to ask about previous salary in interviews
[19:35] <mrgoodcat> speaking of job interviews
[19:35] <cmaloney> Nice