[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[09:16]  * acheronuk yawns
[09:16] <acheronuk> morning :)
[09:24] <acheronuk> no RC isos yet, but I guess a few things are still settling/migrating from proposed (not our stuff)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[12:59] <acheronuk> hmmm. that iso boots to use 430MB of memory. not bad ^^^^^
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 Is baloo running by default?
[13:24] <acheronuk> lemme check
[13:27] <acheronuk> don't see it in the process list
[13:43] <yofel> wasn't that an on-demand thing? if there's nothing to index you won't notice it
[14:09] <acheronuk> yofel: could well be. I've got just so much into the habit of disabling baloo, and before it nepomuk/strigi etc, that I honestly am not 100% sure any more.  
[14:47] <ahoneybun> is there something holding the final iso from posting/building
[14:53] <acheronuk> there is a new gcc with running tests, and a new ubiquity and unity 7 upload with a freeze block on them. so maybe those amongst others waiting for infinity etc to start his day? 
[14:54] <ahoneybun> new unity 7?
[14:54] <acheronuk> just guessing there, but got the impression that later in the weekend for the iso's would not be unexpected
[14:54] <acheronuk> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity
[14:55] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.5.0+17.04.20170407.1-0ubuntu1
[14:55] <acheronuk> a fix it seems
[14:55] <ahoneybun> thanks acheronuk
[14:55] <ahoneybun> did that kubuntu-setting upload get pushed?
[14:56] <acheronuk> yep :)
[14:56] <ahoneybun> nice
[14:56] <ahoneybun> would that take effect on current systems?
[14:56] <acheronuk> seems to work nicely in the KCI iso
[14:57] <ahoneybun> mm I don't think it's an update to unity7 just rebuilding with the new gcc
[14:57] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: no. it's just an altered default for new users. it would take effect on any new user on a current system, once you have the update
[14:57] <ahoneybun> damn
[14:59] <acheronuk> altering the behaviour for users who have already made a choice would not be a good plan anyway, unless it was a severe bug
[15:00] <acheronuk> if your korganiser reminder daemon autostarts on current system, it cam be turned off quite simply
[15:00] <acheronuk> gets rid of one thing that makes akonadi start anyway....
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 And that was the idea :)
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[18:07] <mparillo> Release candidates are starting to land: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds Alas, no Kubuntu yet.
[18:15] <acheronuk> mparillo: amd64 is build for us, and i386 waiting to publish
[18:15] <acheronuk> *building
[18:18] <clivejo> oooo my lock screen has media controls
[18:19] <clivejo> when was that introduced?
[18:23] <acheronuk> they made commit about pausing/muting media playback on locking a few weeks ago? so maybe to do with that?
[18:24] <clivejo> only noticed there
 (Photo, 1169x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mMO004hy/file_2336.jpg
[18:27] <clivejo> nice touch 
[18:29]  * acheronuk is tempted to upgrade....
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[18:30] <clivejo> I would kinda like to switch devel branch to master 
[18:32] <acheronuk> yeeeeeeesssssssss.
[18:33] <clivejo> work on Plasma 5.9.5 and have it ready for backports
[18:34] <clivejo> Plasma 5.10 is due out 23 May
[18:35] <acheronuk> backport to what?
[18:35] <clivejo> zesty
[18:35] <acheronuk> that would go in updates
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[18:36] <acheronuk> oooh. plasma 5.10 \o?
[18:38] <clivejo> well the plan was to do it last cycle
[18:40] <clivejo> and it will allow us to keep working without the new devel brance name
[18:42] <acheronuk> well, 5.9.5 should be very simple, and I hope we have the AA name before that.
[18:43] <acheronuk> but it would help not to be always doing stuff on an archive branch (in general)
[18:47] <clivejo> I think I should do a complete re-install
[18:48] <clivejo> kmail is really messed up right now
[18:49] <acheronuk> in what way?
[18:49] <clivejo> getting crashes in akonadi resources
[18:50] <acheronuk> does kmail in staging-kdeapplications work ok?
[18:51] <acheronuk> 16.12.3
[18:51] <clivejo> no idea
[18:51] <clivejo> this its 16.04
[18:51] <clivejo> 17.04
[18:52] <clivejo> !info python-twisted unstable
[18:52] <acheronuk> if you are are on unstable it would really be 17.08 alpha
[18:52] <acheronuk> which could well be broken
[18:52] <clivejo> I dunno, I dont understand the kmail versioning
[18:53] <clivejo> its only gmail thats broken
[18:54] <acheronuk> suppose I better make a spare email account and test kmail in the staging ppa.
[18:54] <acheronuk> before we push that to backports after release, it will need some testing.
[18:54] <acheronuk> and looks like no-one has so far
[19:00] <clivejo> we need more testers
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[19:02] <acheronuk> clivejo: you could maybe test it before you add KCI to your new install again?
[19:03] <acheronuk> that would be very helpful
[19:03] <clivejo> if I do it!
[19:03] <clivejo> have to download the iso!
[19:03] <clivejo> that'll take me a while
[19:05] <clivejo> maybe purge kontact
[19:05] <acheronuk> seems we have an iso
[19:06] <clivejo> new kernel
[19:06] <clivejo> eakk
[19:06] <clivejo> brb, need reboot
[19:07] <mparillo> Thanks acheronuk. I see it now.
[19:07] <mparillo> !testers
[19:07] <mparillo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds
[19:12] <acheronuk> hmmmm
[19:13] <acheronuk> how did I mange to give a VM a 1.56 TB virtual disk ??????????
[19:14] <acheronuk> is zsynced :)
[19:14] <acheronuk> *iso
[19:17] <acheronuk> live session boots and uses 427 MB of RAM here at first
[19:23] <mparillo> dd'ing now.
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[19:41]  * vip is going to non-english install
[19:41] <clivejo> ahoneybun ovidiuflorin any of you about to post a testing blog on kubuntu.org?
[19:49] <mparillo> acheronuk: Do you use wireless in your live session? Did you get LP Bug #1572244 
[19:50] <ahoneybun> clivejo: not at the moment
[19:50] <acheronuk> mparillo: only tried in a VM today so far. but did get that in a live session a few weeks ago
[19:51] <acheronuk> mparillo: may test later/tomorrow on laptop
[19:51] <mparillo> And how do you get your memory usage?
[19:53] <mparillo> I am at .41GiB, per System Monitor, which should eat at least some RAM.
[19:55] <clivejo> mparillo: how does the boot into plasma feel?
[19:55] <mparillo> Sweet.
[19:56] <clivejo> slower, the same or faster than previous beta iso?
[19:56] <mparillo> Not fair to compare because my Beta testing was all in a VM.
[19:58] <mparillo> I was at work during the week, and there I have a Win7 host. At home, I have old laptops to play on. Right now a T410.
[20:01] <BluesKaj> mparillo: I missed the test link you posted earlier
[20:02] <mparillo> Note that I almost never get the try/install dialog options any more (except on my poor tiny netbook.
[20:02] <mparillo> BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds
[20:02] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  thanks
[20:03] <mparillo> Are you more likely to do an entire disk install or a partitioning install? 
[20:05] <mparillo> Because I can test the other option.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  partition , install to / , then just set the mountpoint for /home in ubuquity partitioner
[20:11] <BluesKaj> that method saves me a lot of work resetting my desktop, aliases, networking etc
[20:13] <mparillo> TY, so I will then test the entire disk install. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
[20:13] <BluesKaj> I don't run a full blown kubuntu, no pulseaudo, PIM, or NM 
[20:16] <BluesKaj> right
[20:20] <vip> can I have an opinion about default wallpaper?
[20:21] <mparillo> I like that Kubuntu respects upstream defaults so long as nothing breaks.
[20:21] <clivejo> whats the opinion?
[20:22] <vip> clivejo: ugly as hell
[20:22] <clivejo> LOL
[20:22] <vip> ok, not ugly, but, hmm
[20:23] <vip> it looks like somebody made a 800x600 wallpaper, and scaled it to widescreen
[20:23] <vip> I'm really into nature based wallpapers
[20:24] <vip> grass, fields, landscapes
[20:24] <clivejo> take a look on store.kde.org
[20:24] <mparillo> Does the KDE Software Compilation still exist?
[20:24] <clivejo> the what?
[20:25] <vip> clivejo: that's not the point, I think default wallpaper should be nice to look at, comfortable
[20:25] <clivejo> vip: thats the default KDE is shipping
[20:25] <mparillo> I think they used to call it the KDE SC for short, and it still appears during the install slide show. I have not heard that in a while, and I wonder if it is obsolete. I bet valorie would know.
[20:26] <clivejo> I dont like it either and have a different one
[20:26] <valorie> yes, it's gone
[20:26] <valorie> there is just KDE Applications now
[20:26] <mparillo> So it should be gone from our Ubiquity installer.
[20:26] <mparillo> ?
[20:26] <valorie> agreed
[20:26] <valorie> last place it should be is 14.04
[20:27] <valorie> now it's plasma, frameworks and applications
[20:27] <mparillo> And the links in the installer do nothing for me. I mentioned it during the beta, but I was in a VM then. Same problem on real HW. Do you know who is our installer guru?
[20:28] <vip> clivejo: http://imgur.com/a/80b21
[20:28] <clivejo> ahoneybun seems to know most about it
[20:28] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Do you need bug reports?
[20:30] <acheronuk> vip: https://kver.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/plasma-5-9-wallpaper-canopee/
[20:30] <vip> acheronuk: I've read about that wallpaper
[20:31] <vip> it is just my personal opinion
[20:31] <acheronuk> vip: it's grown on me a bit
[20:31] <vip> the wallpaper is fine, really
[20:32] <acheronuk> the one for plasma 5.10 https://store.kde.org/p/1170141/
[20:33] <vip> but I just feel, that wallpaper should be more natural
[20:33] <vip> Everybody would change it eventually
[20:34] <acheronuk> It's just a starting point branding wsoe I suppose
[20:34] <acheronuk> *wsie
[20:34] <acheronuk> or even wise
[20:35] <vip> it is also great, you can change it in two clicks
[20:38] <vip> I'm just saying, that for me that would be nice having seasoned default wallpaper, that would be more nice than technical; but it is my personal opinon
[20:38] <acheronuk> mparillo: that bug is there on this laptop in live session
[20:39] <mparillo>  LP Bug #1572244 ?
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[20:58] <mparillo> lsb_release -a still says we are development branch. Does that mean there must be another image coming?
[20:59] <clivejo> its an RC
[20:59] <clivejo> final isnt until next week
[20:59] <mparillo> So, even if there are no bugs, and no changes to other packages, somebody needs to make that change?
[21:00] <mparillo> And re-spin the ISOs?
[21:00] <clivejo> yup
[21:00] <mparillo> TY
[21:01] <clivejo> and depending on the bugs, there might be a number of respins before now and final release
[21:03] <clivejo> but hopefully not !
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[21:05] <mparillo> But I would give a big shout-out to the devs this release. I have succeeded in what I think are the two most common scenarios (live and full-disk). blueskaj has disappeared, but I bet that means he is testing partitioning, and vip also disappeared, so it means he is testing a non-English install, all with no show-stoppers so far.
[21:08] <clivejo> is there a wiki release page?
[21:09] <mparillo> clivejo: I used to create one based on the beta pages, but then JR used to replace it with a single URL pointing to the news.kubuntu.org post.
[21:09] <clivejo> its for a post on kubuntu.org
[21:10] <clivejo> like this http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-04-beta-2-released-for-testers/
[21:12] <mparillo> I think it is a good idea. ovidiuflorin and ahoneybun probably can post there.
 mparillo what links are we talking about?
 I can post on the website but not home atm
[21:13] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/Beta2/Kubuntu
 Please do file bugs but I think it's too late to change anything in the slideshow now
[21:13] <acheronuk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYlLHfT48ZE
 17.10 will be the new slideshow anyway
 That Simon and I will make
[21:14] <mparillo> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144
[21:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know him?
[21:16] <mparillo> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681146
[21:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. I meant to post that in offtopic anyway
[21:20] <mparillo> Both bugs attached to entire disk install test results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds/145582/testcases/1300/results/
 Not sure if they will be fixed tbh but I'll look at them
 At least not in 17.05
 *17.04
[21:24] <mparillo> TY, and certainly they would not cause me to mark the test case as failed.
[21:24] <clivejo> would someone touch base with quidsup, see if we could use that video on the release post?
[21:32] <acheronuk> clivejo: sent a message
[21:33] <acheronuk> not a 'we definitely will', but 'is it ok if we decide to...?.
[21:34] <clivejo> yup
[21:51] <valorie> do we need RC kub.org story and such?
[21:51] <valorie> I didn't think about it in advance
[21:53] <clivejo> valorie: I have a draft
[21:54] <clivejo> but no wiki page
[21:55] <valorie> do we need a wiki page?
[21:55] <clivejo> no idea :/
[21:55] <valorie> can't we just use a blurb on top of beta2?
[21:55] <valorie> let me check
[21:56] <valorie> bleah, I'll c/p the beta2 onto RC
[22:00] <ahoneybun> mparillo: about the links in the slideshow
[22:00] <ahoneybun> your talking about if you try to click on them?
[22:00] <genii> Zesty schedule says 13th release, but that puts it at second Thurs of april and not 3rd Thurs the 20th ( as all the times before) . Is this actually correct? I always hold the Toronto Release party on the day-of
[22:02] <valorie> clivejo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu
[22:02] <clivejo> genii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[22:02] <valorie> genii: release sched says 23rd
[22:03] <valorie> uh
[22:03] <valorie> confusing
[22:03] <valorie> which is it
[22:03] <genii> Yes
[22:03] <clivejo> which sched says 23rd?
[22:04] <ahoneybun> April 26 on the RS
[22:04] <genii> I never ever saw it come out 2nd Thursday of the month before, always the third Thurs
[22:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: that's a development week number on the far left column, not a date
[22:06] <acheronuk> week 26, April 13th
[22:06] <ahoneybun> so it is
[22:06] <genii> OK, got it. thanks guys
[22:06] <acheronuk> it is confusing. have done that myself 
[22:07] <valorie> ok, the wiki page is wrong them
[22:07] <valorie> is someone fixing or shall I
[22:07] <valorie> it's been wrong all along.....
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[22:13] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Yes, when I hover over the links in the slide show my cursor turns to a finger, but clicking on them does nothing.
[22:15] <ahoneybun> got it
[22:16] <valorie> ok, fixed all the old pages with the wrong date
[22:16] <valorie> I think
[22:16] <clivejo> did you check with the release team what the actual date is?
[22:17] <mparillo> But the new page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu) has March?
[22:17] <ahoneybun> mhall119: what is the release date for 17.04?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I mean this in the best way possible: read the fine manual ;)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[22:18] <ahoneybun> fine manual?
[22:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I mean this in the not best way: read the log
[22:19] <tsimonq2> It's a manual that is fine (as in, excellent)
[22:20] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001209.html
[22:21] <acheronuk> As of now, zesty has entered the Final Freeze period in preparation for the final release of Ubuntu 17.04 next week.
[22:25] <genii> Well, if anyone wants free cupcakes and coffee next Thursday, come on down :)  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3546-zesty-zapus-toronto-release-party/
[22:25] <valorie> good grief
[22:25] <valorie> I know have a graphics glitch that makes editing difficult
[22:26] <valorie> dunno what that sentence said originally said, but it should be accurate now
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[22:35] <ahoneybun> wait
[22:35] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: 
[22:35] <ahoneybun> look who is a sub on my branch
[22:35] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty
[22:37] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: omfg XD
[22:37] <ahoneybun> I know right?
[22:37]  * ahoneybun wonders about pushing a commit saying hi to him
[22:40] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: ^
[22:40] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Do it XD\
[22:40] <ahoneybun> he's getting emails about all changes
[22:42] <clivejo> can you boot him?
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I can
[22:43] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty/revision/765
[22:43] <ahoneybun> tho going to mess with it clivejo
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: XD
[22:44] <clivejo> is that wise?
[22:44] <ahoneybun> clivejo: how is it not?, I'm just saying hi
[22:44] <ahoneybun> nothing bad
[22:45] <ahoneybun> mparillo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/revision/775
[22:47] <clivejo> ahoneybun: gonna try get that in?
[22:48] <ahoneybun> clivejo: going to see if they will merge it
[22:49] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: I think it would be absolutely amazing if you could merge that :D
[22:49] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: you know I've not sent a MR yet
[22:50] <ahoneybun> if anyone wants to keep an eye out for anything else
[22:50] <ahoneybun> tho the translations will still be the same for non english 
[22:52] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/+merge/322252 hopefully it's small enough to get in
[22:52] <ahoneybun> honestly not sure what to do with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144
[23:12] <clivejo> valorie: did you publish the post?
[23:41] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Thank you.