[06:33] Good morning. === lordievader is now known as Guest5998 === Guest5998 is now known as lordievader [08:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1432: SUCCESS in 1 min 17 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1432/ [08:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1432: SUCCESS in 1 min 45 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1432/ [08:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1432: SUCCESS in 3 min 10 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1432/ [08:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1432: SUCCESS in 3 min 39 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1432/ [09:16] * acheronuk yawns [09:16] morning :) [09:24] no RC isos yet, but I guess a few things are still settling/migrating from proposed (not our stuff) [10:58] Hiyas all [12:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #41 for job iso_zesty_unstable_amd64 (previous build: SUCCESS) [12:35] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project iso_zesty_unstable_amd64 build #41: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/iso_zesty_unstable_amd64/41/ [12:59] hmmm. that iso boots to use 430MB of memory. not bad ^^^^^ [13:05] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #124: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/124/ [13:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #101: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/101/ [13:24] Is baloo running by default? [13:24] lemme check [13:27] don't see it in the process list [13:43] wasn't that an on-demand thing? if there's nothing to index you won't notice it [14:09] yofel: could well be. I've got just so much into the habit of disabling baloo, and before it nepomuk/strigi etc, that I honestly am not 100% sure any more. [14:47] is there something holding the final iso from posting/building [14:53] there is a new gcc with running tests, and a new ubiquity and unity 7 upload with a freeze block on them. so maybe those amongst others waiting for infinity etc to start his day? [14:54] new unity 7? [14:54] just guessing there, but got the impression that later in the weekend for the iso's would not be unexpected [14:54] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity [14:55] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/7.5.0+17.04.20170407.1-0ubuntu1 [14:55] a fix it seems [14:55] thanks acheronuk [14:55] did that kubuntu-setting upload get pushed? [14:56] yep :) [14:56] nice [14:56] would that take effect on current systems? [14:56] seems to work nicely in the KCI iso [14:57] mm I don't think it's an update to unity7 just rebuilding with the new gcc [14:57] ahoneybun: no. it's just an altered default for new users. it would take effect on any new user on a current system, once you have the update [14:57] damn [14:59] altering the behaviour for users who have already made a choice would not be a good plan anyway, unless it was a severe bug [15:00] if your korganiser reminder daemon autostarts on current system, it cam be turned off quite simply [15:00] gets rid of one thing that makes akonadi start anyway.... [15:57] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #102: FAILURE in 1 hr 37 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/102/ [16:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #125: FAILURE in 1 hr 50 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/125/ [16:42] And that was the idea :) [17:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #103: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 11 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/103/ [17:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #126: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 10 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/126/ [17:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1433: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1433/ [17:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1433: SUCCESS in 1 min 9 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1433/ [17:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1433: SUCCESS in 3 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1433/ [17:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1433: SUCCESS in 3 min 18 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1433/ [18:07] Release candidates are starting to land: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds Alas, no Kubuntu yet. [18:15] mparillo: amd64 is build for us, and i386 waiting to publish [18:15] *building [18:18] oooo my lock screen has media controls [18:19] when was that introduced? [18:23] they made commit about pausing/muting media playback on locking a few weeks ago? so maybe to do with that? [18:24] only noticed there [18:27] (Photo, 1169x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mMO004hy/file_2336.jpg [18:27] nice touch [18:29] * acheronuk is tempted to upgrade.... [18:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_calligra build #5: STILL FAILING in 1 min 16 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_calligra/5/ [18:30] I would kinda like to switch devel branch to master [18:32] yeeeeeeesssssssss. [18:33] work on Plasma 5.9.5 and have it ready for backports [18:34] Plasma 5.10 is due out 23 May [18:35] backport to what? [18:35] zesty [18:35] that would go in updates [18:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_calligra build #6: STILL FAILING in 1 min 12 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_calligra/6/ [18:36] oooh. plasma 5.10 \o? [18:38] well the plan was to do it last cycle [18:40] and it will allow us to keep working without the new devel brance name [18:42] well, 5.9.5 should be very simple, and I hope we have the AA name before that. [18:43] but it would help not to be always doing stuff on an archive branch (in general) [18:47] I think I should do a complete re-install [18:48] kmail is really messed up right now [18:49] in what way? [18:49] getting crashes in akonadi resources [18:50] does kmail in staging-kdeapplications work ok? [18:51] 16.12.3 [18:51] no idea [18:51] this its 16.04 [18:51] 17.04 [18:52] !info python-twisted unstable [18:52] python-twisted (source: twisted): Event-based framework for internet applications (dependency package). In component main, is extra. Version 16.6.0-2 (unstable), package size 11 kB, installed size 25 kB [18:52] if you are are on unstable it would really be 17.08 alpha [18:52] which could well be broken [18:52] I dunno, I dont understand the kmail versioning [18:53] its only gmail thats broken [18:54] suppose I better make a spare email account and test kmail in the staging ppa. [18:54] before we push that to backports after release, it will need some testing. [18:54] and looks like no-one has so far [19:00] we need more testers [19:02] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Zesty Final] (20170408) has been added [19:02] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Zesty Final] (20170408) has been added [19:02] clivejo: you could maybe test it before you add KCI to your new install again? [19:03] that would be very helpful [19:03] if I do it! [19:03] have to download the iso! [19:03] that'll take me a while [19:05] maybe purge kontact [19:05] seems we have an iso [19:06] new kernel [19:06] eakk [19:06] brb, need reboot [19:07] Thanks acheronuk. I see it now. [19:07] !testers [19:07] Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping yofel, soee, Tm_T, BluesKaj, Quintasan, lordievader, mamarley, vip, mparillo, wxl, DarinMiller, tsimonq2 for more information. [19:07] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds [19:12] hmmmm [19:13] how did I mange to give a VM a 1.56 TB virtual disk ?????????? [19:14] is zsynced :) [19:14] *iso [19:17] live session boots and uses 427 MB of RAM here at first [19:23] dd'ing now. [19:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #104: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/104/ [19:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #127: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/127/ [19:41] * vip is going to non-english install [19:41] ahoneybun ovidiuflorin any of you about to post a testing blog on kubuntu.org? [19:49] acheronuk: Do you use wireless in your live session? Did you get LP Bug #1572244 [19:49] Launchpad bug 1572244 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 16.04 requires that the wifi password be entered twice before wifi can be used" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1572244 [19:50] clivejo: not at the moment [19:50] mparillo: only tried in a VM today so far. but did get that in a live session a few weeks ago [19:51] mparillo: may test later/tomorrow on laptop [19:51] And how do you get your memory usage? [19:53] I am at .41GiB, per System Monitor, which should eat at least some RAM. [19:55] mparillo: how does the boot into plasma feel? [19:55] Sweet. [19:56] slower, the same or faster than previous beta iso? [19:56] Not fair to compare because my Beta testing was all in a VM. [19:58] I was at work during the week, and there I have a Win7 host. At home, I have old laptops to play on. Right now a T410. [20:01] mparillo: I missed the test link you posted earlier [20:02] Note that I almost never get the try/install dialog options any more (except on my poor tiny netbook. [20:02] BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds [20:02] mparillo: thanks [20:03] Are you more likely to do an entire disk install or a partitioning install? [20:05] Because I can test the other option. [20:08] mparillo: partition , install to / , then just set the mountpoint for /home in ubuquity partitioner [20:11] that method saves me a lot of work resetting my desktop, aliases, networking etc [20:13] TY, so I will then test the entire disk install. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q [20:13] I don't run a full blown kubuntu, no pulseaudo, PIM, or NM [20:16] right [20:20] can I have an opinion about default wallpaper? [20:21] I like that Kubuntu respects upstream defaults so long as nothing breaks. [20:21] whats the opinion? [20:22] clivejo: ugly as hell [20:22] LOL [20:22] ok, not ugly, but, hmm [20:23] it looks like somebody made a 800x600 wallpaper, and scaled it to widescreen [20:23] I'm really into nature based wallpapers [20:24] grass, fields, landscapes [20:24] take a look on store.kde.org [20:24] Does the KDE Software Compilation still exist? [20:24] the what? [20:25] clivejo: that's not the point, I think default wallpaper should be nice to look at, comfortable [20:25] vip: thats the default KDE is shipping [20:25] I think they used to call it the KDE SC for short, and it still appears during the install slide show. I have not heard that in a while, and I wonder if it is obsolete. I bet valorie would know. [20:26] I dont like it either and have a different one [20:26] yes, it's gone [20:26] there is just KDE Applications now [20:26] So it should be gone from our Ubiquity installer. [20:26] ? [20:26] agreed [20:26] last place it should be is 14.04 [20:27] now it's plasma, frameworks and applications [20:27] And the links in the installer do nothing for me. I mentioned it during the beta, but I was in a VM then. Same problem on real HW. Do you know who is our installer guru? [20:28] clivejo: http://imgur.com/a/80b21 [20:28] ahoneybun seems to know most about it [20:28] ahoneybun: Do you need bug reports? [20:30] vip: https://kver.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/plasma-5-9-wallpaper-canopee/ [20:30] acheronuk: I've read about that wallpaper [20:31] it is just my personal opinion [20:31] vip: it's grown on me a bit [20:31] the wallpaper is fine, really [20:32] the one for plasma 5.10 https://store.kde.org/p/1170141/ [20:33] but I just feel, that wallpaper should be more natural [20:33] Everybody would change it eventually [20:34] It's just a starting point branding wsoe I suppose [20:34] *wsie [20:34] or even wise [20:35] it is also great, you can change it in two clicks [20:38] I'm just saying, that for me that would be nice having seasoned default wallpaper, that would be more nice than technical; but it is my personal opinon [20:38] mparillo: that bug is there on this laptop in live session [20:39] LP Bug #1572244 ? [20:39] Launchpad bug 1572244 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 16.04 requires that the wifi password be entered twice before wifi can be used" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1572244 [20:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_calligra build #9: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_calligra/9/ [20:58] lsb_release -a still says we are development branch. Does that mean there must be another image coming? [20:59] its an RC [20:59] final isnt until next week [20:59] So, even if there are no bugs, and no changes to other packages, somebody needs to make that change? [21:00] And re-spin the ISOs? [21:00] yup [21:00] TY [21:01] and depending on the bugs, there might be a number of respins before now and final release [21:03] but hopefully not ! [21:04] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_calligra build #10: STILL FAILING in 1 min 2 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_calligra/10/ [21:05] But I would give a big shout-out to the devs this release. I have succeeded in what I think are the two most common scenarios (live and full-disk). blueskaj has disappeared, but I bet that means he is testing partitioning, and vip also disappeared, so it means he is testing a non-English install, all with no show-stoppers so far. [21:08] is there a wiki release page? [21:09] clivejo: I used to create one based on the beta pages, but then JR used to replace it with a single URL pointing to the news.kubuntu.org post. [21:09] its for a post on kubuntu.org [21:10] like this http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-04-beta-2-released-for-testers/ [21:12] I think it is a good idea. ovidiuflorin and ahoneybun probably can post there. [21:12] mparillo what links are we talking about? [21:13] I can post on the website but not home atm [21:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/Beta2/Kubuntu [21:13] Please do file bugs but I think it's too late to change anything in the slideshow now [21:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYlLHfT48ZE [21:13] 17.10 will be the new slideshow anyway [21:14] That Simon and I will make [21:14] ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144 [21:14] Launchpad bug 1681144 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Clicking on URLs in Kubuntu Installer Slideshow does nothing" [Undecided,New] [21:16] acheronuk: do you know him? [21:16] ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681146 [21:16] clivejo: nope. I meant to post that in offtopic anyway [21:16] Launchpad bug 1681146 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Installer Slideshow references obsolete KDE SC" [Undecided,New] [21:20] Both bugs attached to entire disk install test results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/375/builds/145582/testcases/1300/results/ [21:24] Not sure if they will be fixed tbh but I'll look at them [21:24] At least not in 17.05 [21:24] *17.04 [21:24] TY, and certainly they would not cause me to mark the test case as failed. [21:24] would someone touch base with quidsup, see if we could use that video on the release post? [21:32] clivejo: sent a message [21:33] not a 'we definitely will', but 'is it ok if we decide to...?. [21:34] yup [21:51] do we need RC kub.org story and such? [21:51] I didn't think about it in advance [21:53] valorie: I have a draft [21:54] but no wiki page [21:55] do we need a wiki page? [21:55] no idea :/ [21:55] can't we just use a blurb on top of beta2? [21:55] let me check [21:56] bleah, I'll c/p the beta2 onto RC [22:00] mparillo: about the links in the slideshow [22:00] your talking about if you try to click on them? [22:00] Zesty schedule says 13th release, but that puts it at second Thurs of april and not 3rd Thurs the 20th ( as all the times before) . Is this actually correct? I always hold the Toronto Release party on the day-of [22:02] clivejo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu [22:02] genii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule [22:02] genii: release sched says 23rd [22:03] uh [22:03] confusing [22:03] which is it [22:03] Yes [22:03] which sched says 23rd? [22:04] April 26 on the RS [22:04] I never ever saw it come out 2nd Thursday of the month before, always the third Thurs [22:05] ahoneybun: that's a development week number on the far left column, not a date [22:06] week 26, April 13th [22:06] so it is [22:06] OK, got it. thanks guys [22:06] it is confusing. have done that myself [22:07] ok, the wiki page is wrong them [22:07] is someone fixing or shall I [22:07] it's been wrong all along..... [22:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_calligra build #105: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_calligra/105/ [22:13] ahoneybun: Yes, when I hover over the links in the slide show my cursor turns to a finger, but clicking on them does nothing. [22:15] got it [22:16] ok, fixed all the old pages with the wrong date [22:16] I think [22:16] did you check with the release team what the actual date is? [22:17] But the new page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/RC/Kubuntu) has March? [22:17] mhall119: what is the release date for 17.04? [22:18] ahoneybun: I mean this in the best way possible: read the fine manual ;) [22:18] ahoneybun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule [22:18] fine manual? [22:19] tsimonq2: I mean this in the not best way: read the log [22:19] It's a manual that is fine (as in, excellent) [22:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001209.html [22:21] As of now, zesty has entered the Final Freeze period in preparation for the final release of Ubuntu 17.04 next week. [22:25] Well, if anyone wants free cupcakes and coffee next Thursday, come on down :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3546-zesty-zapus-toronto-release-party/ [22:25] good grief [22:25] I know have a graphics glitch that makes editing difficult [22:26] dunno what that sentence said originally said, but it should be accurate now [22:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_calligra build #128: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 36 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_calligra/128/ [22:35] wait [22:35] tsimonq2: [22:35] look who is a sub on my branch [22:35] https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty [22:37] ahoneybun: omfg XD [22:37] I know right? [22:37] * ahoneybun wonders about pushing a commit saying hi to him [22:40] tsimonq2: ^ [22:40] ahoneybun: Do it XD\ [22:40] he's getting emails about all changes [22:42] can you boot him? [22:43] I can [22:43] tsimonq2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty/revision/765 [22:43] tho going to mess with it clivejo [22:44] ahoneybun: XD [22:44] is that wise? [22:44] clivejo: how is it not?, I'm just saying hi [22:44] nothing bad [22:45] mparillo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/revision/775 [22:47] ahoneybun: gonna try get that in? [22:48] clivejo: going to see if they will merge it [22:49] cyphermox: I think it would be absolutely amazing if you could merge that :D [22:49] tsimonq2: you know I've not sent a MR yet [22:50] if anyone wants to keep an eye out for anything else [22:50] tho the translations will still be the same for non english [22:52] cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/zesty-2/+merge/322252 hopefully it's small enough to get in [22:52] honestly not sure what to do with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144 [22:52] Launchpad bug 1681144 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Clicking on URLs in Kubuntu Installer Slideshow does nothing" [Undecided,New] [23:12] valorie: did you publish the post? [23:41] ahoneybun: Thank you.