[00:00] <Guest123> It's hard to tell which team channel I should go to.
[00:02] <Guest123> Does the installer team have their own channel?
[00:02] <OerHeks> i just read mr dustin blog with suggestions http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2017/04/thank-you-note-to-hackernews.html
[00:04] <OerHeks> maybe it is #ubuntu-installer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList/Team
[00:05] <OerHeks> there is no mailing list  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer
[05:42] <Bashing-om> to slow to hold my attention - g nite o/
[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:44] <ducasse> morning all
[06:44] <ducasse> \o lordievader
[06:44] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:44] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:45] <ducasse> good thanks, how about you?
[06:45] <lordievader> Doing good, having tea :D
[06:47] <ducasse> same here, soon need another cup :)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:36] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[12:54] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> what's happening today ?
[13:22] <pauljw> nothing here yet, BluesKaj.  sun is shining, grass is growing... it was 32F about an hour ago.
[13:22] <pauljw> don't know if you got that, my connection was hosed and i didn't realize it... :(
[13:23] <BluesKaj> yeah i swa your disconnec there, but I knew you'd be back :-0
[13:24] <BluesKaj> oops scuse all the typos  :-)
[13:24] <pauljw> :)
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:22] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[16:22] <ducasse> how was movie night?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> great ducasse how are you
[16:22] <ducasse> ok, thanks. quiet saturday here.
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: both nice movies
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> http://www.thelinuxrain.com/articles/heres-how-gnome-shell-can-look-like-ubuntu-unity
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> alot of unity lovers out there
[16:29] <baizon> hmm, but i think ill switch from unity to kde
[16:30] <baizon> and try to make it look like unity
[16:30] <baizon> i dislike gnome very very much
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Shuttleworth-More-G-Comments
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> gnome with unity ideas lol
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> snaps will continue
[16:35] <baizon> but unity 8 wont :(
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah too bad, would have been nice to have the choice
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> baizon: lets hope the ubports guys find a big breakthrough
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> someone remember the variables trigger?
[16:39] <baizon> that will take a long time
[16:39] <baizon> they dont have the resources i think
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> baizon: im not sure, cause mariogrip is on that project, he made a big deal on several phones
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> baizon: but indeed, i understand its not the same as its supported by ubuntu by default..
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> wb Menzador
[17:07] <Menzador> yo
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> hey brunch875
[17:34] <immu_ubuntu> hi
[17:42] <BenderRodriguez> immu_ubuntu: what is your thoughts on Shuttleworth's decisionto kill Unity
[17:42] <immu_ubuntu> i respect his decision
[17:42] <BenderRodriguez> ...
[17:42]  * BenderRodriguez takes immu_ubuntu off his cool people
[17:42] <BenderRodriguez> list
[17:43] <immu_ubuntu> but at the same time i am deeply saddened with the decision also
[17:44] <BluesKaj> I suspect we  kde/plasma users don't care one way or the other, at least I don't :-)
[17:44] <immu_ubuntu> Unity8 was so close to completion but without support of others its hard to justify the cost that was draining the companies profitablity
[17:46] <immu_ubuntu> can someone confirm if google services are down or not
[17:46] <immu_ubuntu> hey BluesKaj whats up
[17:46] <Menzador> BluesKaj: Lol, that's OK. I've been a GNOME advocate ever since I got my hands on the latest version of it :)
[17:46] <BenderRodriguez> Really
[17:46] <BluesKaj> afaik a lot of ubuntu users thought shuttleworth was taking Canonical in the wrong direction anyway
[17:47] <BenderRodriguez> GNOME 3 was an attempt at joining the mobile/touchpad bandwagon
[17:47] <Menzador> Which is interesting.
[17:47] <BenderRodriguez> with it's huge UI buttons
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> thats true BluesKaj
[17:47] <ducasse> immu_ubuntu: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[17:47] <BenderRodriguez> but it failed
[17:47] <Menzador> BenderRodriguez: Actually no it didn't. GNOME wasn't actually ever trying to cater to the mobile market. I can't think of a single touch device that shipped with GNOME.
[17:48] <Menzador> But yes, I think Adwaita should be toned down a bit
[17:48] <immu_ubuntu> i cant sign into google
[17:48] <Menzador> Oh, that *is* something I need to do, lol
[17:49] <ducasse> immu_ubuntu: offtopic here
[17:50] <immu_ubuntu> ducasse:  did i say something on topic
[17:51] <BluesKaj> hi immu_ubuntu  , just transferring some files to friends hdd , and what's up with you?
[17:51] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj:  after distro hopping i am back with ubuntu
[17:52] <BluesKaj> good choice immu_ubuntu , i've been playing around with debian stretch
[17:55] <BenderRodriguez> Menzador: What? The entire UI of Gnome 3 was designed around touch based devices
[17:55] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj: how is it?
[17:55] <BenderRodriguez> it even has purpose built touch gesture support documented: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.14/touchscreen-gestures.html.en
[17:55] <BenderRodriguez> So yes, it was designed for touch
[17:56] <BenderRodriguez> Keep in mind this was around a time when EVERYONE thought Mobile will be everything and desktop will be dead within a few years
[17:56] <BenderRodriguez> That hasn't happened and the result is a disjoined project that has lots its way
[17:56] <BenderRodriguez> it's tragic, actually
[17:56] <BenderRodriguez> disjointed*
[17:57] <BluesKaj> immu_ubuntu:  so far so good, I like it ...it's not prepackaged as much as kubuntu
[17:58] <immu_ubuntu> you are always into kde BluesKaj :
[17:58] <BluesKaj> immu_ubuntu:  for about 12 yrs now
[17:59] <immu_ubuntu> which is a premier KDE distro but with .deb compatiblity
[18:00] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj:  which is a premier KDE distro but with .deb compatiblity
[18:00] <Menzador> BenderRodriguez: Oh look, GNOME released touch-screen gestures. SEVEN releases after the initial 3.0 release.
[18:01] <BluesKaj> kubuntuis probly first thenothers like netrunner and mint
[18:01] <immu_ubuntu> i just love the hud of ubuntu BluesKaj
[18:03] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj:  i cant live without it
[18:03]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:07] <immu_ubuntu> which kde are u using now? BluesKaj
[18:08] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma 5.8.6
[18:08] <Menzador> BluesKaj: Do you use the Kubuntu Backports PPA?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> on debian stretch, think plasma 5.9 on kubuntu zesty
[18:09] <immu_ubuntu> manjaro has very good KDE release
[18:09] <Menzador> Oh, you're using DEE-bee-in :)
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Menzador:  i use ppas when asked to test the packages they contain , then i remove them immediately
[18:10] <Menzador> Ah
[18:11] <immu_ubuntu> brb BluesKaj
[18:17] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj: back i am running 17.04, and gconf is not available
[18:18] <immu_ubuntu> BluesKaj: you are running debian but you hangout here ????
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> immu_ubuntu: anyone is free to chat here
[18:19] <immu_ubuntu> lotuspsychje: true, but just curious as maybe BluesKaj can best advise?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> immu_ubuntu:  I also run kubuntu zesty , try gconf2
[18:21] <immu_ubuntu> how many distros do you run? are they on VM or side by side BluesKaj
[18:22] <BluesKaj> I use partitions, VMs aren't my style , too buggy
[18:23] <BluesKaj> lots of users like VMs, but I haven't had much luck with them
[18:23] <immu_ubuntu> The venerable gconf is no longer installed by default having been long superseded by gsettings.  BluesKaj
[18:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:25] <immu_ubuntu> i need to file this has a bug issue as google chrome is not available in the distro
[18:26] <immu_ubuntu> i had installed Ubuntu mate and then i install over it Ubuntu 17.04 so all my settings i believe where picked up by Ubuntu
[18:26] <BluesKaj> the chrome deb is available at their site
[18:26] <immu_ubuntu> i picked it up from their only
[18:26] <immu_ubuntu> there only
[18:29] <BluesKaj> the chrome repos was probly removed from sources.list.d when you installed 17.04
[18:40] <immu_ubuntu> not its gconf being removed from Ubuntu 17.04
[18:51] <immu> BluesKaj, can you reach youtube site
[18:52] <daftykins> asking someone who might be on the other side of the world whether they can reach a given website is not a very sensible query
[18:54] <ducasse> immu: i gave you a site that checks that earlier
[18:54] <immu> thats not working
[18:55] <daftykins> sounds like misconfigured DNS, but this is not a support channel
[18:55] <immu> www.youtube.com’s server DNS address could not be found.
[18:55] <immu> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[18:55] <daftykins> please take your query to #ubuntu
[19:03] <BluesKaj>  UAE probly blocks youtube
[19:03] <daftykins> no doubt
[19:03] <immu> nope i can watch it on my mobile BluesKaj
[19:08] <immu_> BluesKaj, back
[19:08] <daftykins> still not a support channel, please go to #ubuntu
[19:12] <immu_> daftykins, thanks
[19:38] <immu_> wht is your prefered IRC software
[19:38] <daftykins> irssi
[19:39] <immu_> gui based?
[19:39] <daftykins> nope
[19:40] <daftykins> hexchat is an acceptable GUI one
[19:40] <ducasse> weechat here, which is pretty much the same thing as irssi
[19:41] <immu_> all available in ubuntu software or have to to use synaptic
[19:41] <daftykins> !info irssi
[19:41] <daftykins> !info hexchat
[19:41] <daftykins> the former.
[19:42] <ducasse> everything in synaptic is available in ubuntu software, same sources.
[19:42] <daftykins> ah my bad yeah, misread
[19:42]  * OerHeks deletes software-center
[19:42] <immu_> many IRC software are snap based
[19:43] <daftykins> no reason for you to be using anything snap
[19:50] <immu_> daftykins, i installed two IRC software both are packaged in snap
[19:52] <daftykins> ok, but there's not really any benefit or disadvantage to that that i can think of
[19:53] <immu_> daftykins, i can use a webbased IRC like kiwiIRC which i like but having a software is nice
[19:53] <daftykins> yeah web based is usually rubbish
[19:54] <ducasse> the confinement thing might make certain features not work right
[19:54] <daftykins> plus when you come in a support channel on one, it doesn't look too great
[19:59] <OerHeks> we always look great, no ?
[19:59] <daftykins> ;D
[20:02] <immu_> BluesKaj, welcome back
[20:07] <BluesKaj> thanks, just here for few mins , DLing the latest Kubuntu Zesty test image, needed the link from the devs
[20:08] <immu_> i am going to try KDE Manjaro BluesKaj
[20:09] <BluesKaj> have fun immu_
[20:09] <immu_> BluesKaj, yeah
[20:12] <immu_> BluesKaj, i will have a lot of KDE query will bug you yeah later
[20:14] <BluesKaj> I'll be leaving soon , other stuff to do today
[20:14] <ducasse> have fun BluesKaj - ttyl
[20:14] <BluesKaj> right
[20:16] <immu_> BluesKaj, same here have fun
[20:18] <BluesKaj> ok later gents ...take care
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Aggravation factor : Need to prune the lawn; messed with the lawn mower for 2 days - starts will not run ! Aggravated !
[21:50] <Bashing-om> But .. I am Here .. all is good :)
[21:55] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:03] <daftykins> Bashing-om: that sounds like a frustrating machine alright
[22:06] <Bashing-om> In all Honesty - what I get for not taking care of my equipment . I did not put it up in the dry last fall :( A tarp just is not good enough !
[22:07] <daftykins> ah har
[22:08] <daftykins> well, hindsight and all that :)
[22:09] <Bashing-om> Uh HUh . Now, if I could I would kick my own behind :D
[22:10] <daftykins> take up yoga for that one i think ;D
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Puts me in mind : if legs bent the other way .. what shape would a chair be ?
[22:12] <OerHeks> eat grass, be smart
[22:13] <daftykins> hehe i love that question, mmm i suspect carpenters would get a challenge
[22:13] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Well, that is what it is made for .. eat more grass !
[22:14] <daftykins> then again a client had one of these for many years - https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/92/84/be/9284be9c0ded13c6b57aed1c06bc0875.jpg
[22:15] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I have toyed with the chair shape - given the cirumstances - for several years . No good solution to this time  .
[22:17] <OerHeks> those chairs are good for your balance, still prefer a chair with a back-support
[22:21] <daftykins> yeah, kinda forces your posture
[22:22] <Bashing-om> I just glad I have a chair - and a place to put it :) - and a cushion for the back .
[22:24] <daftykins> :D
[22:24] <daftykins> yep simple things
[22:24] <daftykins> i felt like i'd succeeded once i had a place to put the desk, PC, chair, mug of hot beverage and slice of cake
[22:26] <Bashing-om> And cake too ! Wow !
[22:26] <daftykins> ooh yes, can't be without cake
[22:30] <OerHeks> bacon & eggs
[22:30] <daftykins> mm
[22:33] <Bashing-om> black forest ham saammmich is doing well right now :P
[22:33] <OerHeks> brie paris & chorizo spain
[22:36] <daftykins> time for me to nip to the kitchen and put some pasta on
[22:36] <daftykins> bbs