[08:37] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:29] <ali1234> can someone help me with gnome?
[12:29] <ali1234> how do i use it?
[13:20] <diddledan> ali1234: I have no idea. it confuses me immensely. :-(
[13:20] <ali1234> i figured it out. you open gnome-tweak-tool and turn off activities, turn on applications and places
[13:20] <ali1234> and window list
[13:21] <ali1234> its not that bad, except for the theme is awful
[13:36] <SuperEngineer> that's coz you didn't do the hokey kokey
[13:42] <diddledan> don't forget to turn around
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> :D
[17:18] <penguin42> installing xfce instead seems the easiest way
[20:03] <foobarry> could 17.04 be the most pointless release in years? or to unity lovers, the last great release?
[20:03] <daftykins> well it won'y be supported long, being non-LTS
[20:03] <daftykins> *won't
[20:04] <penguin42> has anyone got Unity into Debian unstable etc?
[20:09] <foobarry> whats strange is that i've been happy using elementary for years
[20:09] <foobarry> since i left ubuntu desktop after unity and wanted a similar gnome2+docky experience
[20:10] <foobarry> and considered that gnome shell sucked more than unity. tried it for a good while and had major issues with buggy and necessary extensions crashing all the time, and awful workflow
[20:10]  * penguin42 has used xfce for a few years, never really used unity, but I think it's not bad for a touchscreen one that doesn't break normal mouse usage
[20:10] <foobarry> but now considering moving back to the buntu
[20:12] <foobarry> since the last elementary release has some bad bugs that the devs seem uninterested in because they are the creative type. once the release is out they don't seem too keen on fixing the experience if it works for them
[20:13] <daftykins> that distro did seem very poor given the number of folks that used to come into #ubuntu with gripes
[20:13] <daftykins> and nobody in official channels interested in helping them
[20:16] <foobarry> apart from libinput which i worked around, the suspend issues after detaching anoher monitor and network/wifi issues on restart are killing me
[20:16] <foobarry> i need to try stock ubuntu to check if its bad on there too
[20:18] <foobarry> wow kylin looks very windowsy
[20:19] <foobarry> the stock gnome experience still sucks , judging by extension reviews "i wouldn't use gnome without this extension", etc
[20:21] <foobarry> but what if that extension isn't updated for 3.24 version?
[20:21] <penguin42> the problems with extensions is that they keep breaking
[20:23] <foobarry> still
[20:23] <foobarry> ?
[20:23] <foobarry> well that sucks
[20:23] <foobarry> i tried it 4 yrs ago
[20:23] <foobarry> they crashed a lot
[20:24] <foobarry> and you had to remove them all to find out , such an awful user experience
[20:26] <foobarry> reducing title bar size would be useful too. seems non trivial
[20:33] <daftykins> why not xubuntu or kubuntu instead? it's not the end of the world
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> for that we'll have to wait and see what trump does next week... :-P
[20:54] <penguin42> cruise missiles are a bit harsh just for unity
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> at least they don't have gnome installed...
[20:55] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh that simplified the choice of missiles because they thoughts presidents found it too confusing; the choice is now between a BB-gun and a thermonuclear missile
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> well.... obama favoured drone delivered hellfire missiles so those tomahawks were probably close to their use by dates