[06:15] <Satyam2345> https://t.me/plasmamobilehttps://t.me/plasmamobile
[06:15] <Satyam2345> https://t.me/plasmamobile
[06:16] <Satyam2345> ^want to change team
[06:18] <Satyam2345> plasma-mobile , another effort for gnu/linux on mobile
[08:20] <Lele_> Can i install ubuntu touch on samsung e500 smartphone?
[09:57] <xenialarm> ok first ssh telnet and http work for building buold-essential
[09:58] <xenialarm> but vnc says there is a port problem
[09:58] <xenialarm> not sure what that is about
[09:59] <xenialarm> i tried xrdp and it fails too  .. do i need to install freerdp
[10:04] <xenialarm> this linux deploy for cheap hardware is a little difficult to get going compated to gnuroot for debian wheezyx
[10:04] <xenialarm> but anyway some of ubuntu is working
[10:05] <xenialarm> at least gcc and g++ are workinf
[10:06] <xenialarm> and ircchat obviously works
[10:08] <xenialarm> because millions of people are demanding that all digital hardware and software be free .. especially the little kids and also people that like to acquire low and sell high
[10:18] <xenialarm> nothing to touch right now ad vnc and rdp wont access lxde except of course the hacks 'r us virtual keuboard
[10:19] <xenialarm> keyboard works if u can ever hit the right krys
[10:19] <xenialarm> keys
[10:21] <xenialarm> this rdp and vnc issue is much discussed on the internet but i did not see any solutions yet
[10:24] <xenialarm> and without x i cant figure out how to scroll the user list in this room
[10:32] <xenialarm> is this still connected
[10:32] <xenialarm> still tryong
[10:33] <xenialarm> trying to figure out how to scroll user list
[13:56] <TartanSpartan> Hi anyone got a Pro 5?
[15:12] <aiyion> Suppose the answer is yes, considered the sheer count of people in here.
[15:21] <TartanSpartan> I want to ask some questions of an owner of the phone.
[15:32] <aiyion> And everyone knows that now. So everyone can say, "hey welcome Tartan; youre using irc wrong.".
[15:33] <aiyion> What you want are answers to your actual problem.
[15:33] <aiyion> So go ahead and ask what you want to know instead of wasting time on smalltalk you never going to meet again.
[15:33] <TartanSpartan> I don't have a problem, I'm curious about the specs.
[15:34] <aiyion> saves your time, saves theirs, evrybody back to business and so on.
[15:34] <TartanSpartan> I want to know if it has full USB C speeds. You don't need to be a jerk.
[15:34] <aiyion> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/meizu-pro-5-2983
[15:35] <thepeter> TartanSpartan, http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/3b443a2e
[15:37] <TartanSpartan> Thank you thepeter. It puzzles me as to why Meizu switched to USB C ports for the phone yet didn't leverage the full speeds available.
[15:38] <aiyion> because type c is only a form factor
[15:38] <aiyion> have a look at it on your own:
[15:39] <aiyion> https://forum.meizufans.eu/topic/3992/usb-type-c-question/5
[15:40] <thepeter> TartanSpartan, as aiyion said form doesn't make automatically spped :)
[15:41] <TartanSpartan> Was there anything holding back the hardware of the phone in this regard?
[15:50] <aiyion> probably.
[16:09] <TartanSpartan> Anyone know if the phone can handle unconventional devices such as USB Ethernet adapters?
[17:01] <dobey> TartanSpartan: most device drivers are not compiled into the kernel (nor is module support), so most devices won't work, but some will such as generic HID, and maybe some ethernet but i suspect most won't
[17:30] <TartanSpartan> Fair enough.
[17:49] <gljoe> i tried manually  activating x and setting env display=0 and start
[17:50] <gljoe> startlxde but get gtk warning errors about x ...any ideas
[17:53] <gljoe> getting ubuntu x to work seems to be an issue not encountered with wheezyx
[17:55] <gljoe> however the gnuroot approach doesnt let you install and deploy various kernel modules
[17:58] <gljoe> and really nobody wants hardware they cannot use if they wamt to work on kernel ossues
[18:01] <TartanSpartan> Are you on a Xenia channel?
[18:02] <TartanSpartan> Xenial*
[18:03] <gljoe> millions of people especially kids with no money and businesses that like to profit by buying for zero and selling for higher all want that all digital hardware and software be free and free from advertising gimmicks too. no matter how expensive the hardware or software is to make
[18:06] <gljoe> tarrar i dont know if this is a xenia channel  .. people in ubuntu channel said discuss free tlelephone hardware here
[18:08] <gljoe> since the phone is running xenial now or at least some of it
[18:08] <gljoe> not x however
[18:08] <gljoe> or vnc to x
[18:11] <gljoe> at least gcc and g++ are available now bur little else without x
[18:20] <gljoe> whatever i set for display number gtk always says cannot open display
[18:21] <anpok> the phones are running vivid + stable-phone-overlay ppa
[18:21] <anpok> and that ppa got updated all through the development cycle of xenial
[18:25] <gljoe> what is vivid and some ppa repository stuff
[18:26] <gljoe> debian has x working for the apps and it shpuld work on ubuntu also especially for sound apps like audacity
[18:28] <gljoe> do you realize those google sobs try to charge money for sound studio apps
[18:28] <gljoe> on google play
[18:32] <gljoe> the bastards want to give away free hardware but charge for the damn software or steal peoples privacy with data mining and advertizing crap
[19:36] <TartanSpartan> Not sure why he described Ubuntu as "free hardware".
[20:13] <aiyion> even if too late for gljoe:  xapps do work like a charm if one uses libertine
[20:14] <aiyion> have various running.
[20:25] <TartanSpartan> With the recent announcements by Shuttleworth, is switching to Xenial a viable strategy for ordinary users?
[20:43] <dobey> no
[20:44] <dobey> i don't know what that person was trying to do, but it sounds very wrong
[20:49] <TartanSpartan> Can Ubports take over Xenial development for UT devices?
[21:11] <dobey> TartanSpartan: well anyone who still wants to build ubuntu based images for phones is going to have to take on a whole lot more than just the base system i think. lots of the apps in the store just won't work in xenial, and the store will be going away. there will also need to be a lot of development on not just unity8 but all of the pieces of the system which were developed for unity
[21:12] <TartanSpartan> Why will the store go away?
[21:13] <dobey> the click store; why would canonical continue spending money on an app store when they don't make a product which uses it?
[21:13] <dobey> so some other store would have to be set up if you want to use clicks
[21:14] <TartanSpartan> That's very sad :(
[21:14] <dobey> migrating to snaps would be an incredibly daunting task
[21:14] <TartanSpartan> Any idea of a timescale for it's closure?
[21:15] <dobey> i don't know that, no. i presume there will be further announcements in the future
[21:17] <TartanSpartan> I want to replace my MX4 with a Pro 5 but it could take me a long time to afford one. I hope it's still there by that time.
[21:22] <TartanSpartan> Are click apps different for each channel and device? if not, perhaps I could get around the obselecence problem somewhat by backing up all the apps I'm interested in?
[21:25] <dobey> well the ui toolkit has had changes in xenial, and there were binary compatibility issues with gcc5, so arch-dependent apps won't run at all
[21:25] <dobey> webapps (which are most things) should generally be fine, but any golang/c++ scopes/apps will have issues
[21:25] <dobey> otherwise xenial would have been on the phones long ago
[21:27] <dobey> anyway, back to weekend and no irc for me
[21:27] <TartanSpartan> No, I'm not talking about upgrading to Xenial any more. I mean say if I backed up all my Vivid MX4 apps. Could I move them to Pro 5 Vivid and have them all work fine?
[21:27] <TartanSpartan> *Vivid Pro 5
[21:28] <dobey> yes
[21:28] <TartanSpartan> Ah, excellent. Thanks for the advice!