[01:22] <stevehope> :)
[08:58] <flocculant> knome: what's happening with the slideshow update? 
[11:07] <stevehope> Final Xubuntu Desktop amd64 passed all testing 5/5 2/2 20170408 bug free :)
[12:23] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[12:45] <flocculant> stevehope: in here ;)
[12:46]  * flocculant can put on 2 of his hats ...
[12:46] <stevehope> thanks
[12:55] <stevehope> The Xubuntu installer has the IRC client available for help, and the browser it runs in.  It's a great feature.  As of a week or some ago the vanilla Ubuntu install doesn't include this feature, or didn't mention it in the slides. I think a task should be added to launch #xubuntu from slides during install. It's incredibly helpful for someone with single system to be able to get live help, and to have access to the browser to se
[13:00] <stevehope> I added this myself to the tests for final xubuntu amd64 that I did, if the test is added I'll add confirmation comments to the iso's I already tested from final
[13:02] <flocculant> as
[13:03] <flocculant> bah
[13:03] <flocculant> stevehope: do you mean add testing that browser/irc works to a testcase?
[13:05] <flocculant> cos that would mean us re-writing all of the installer testcases just for Xubuntu - currently the install testcases are 'global' ones for the most part
[13:06] <flocculant> unless we add it to the live testcase - but what we're actually testing at that point is that link works
[13:07] <stevehope> thats test #xubuntu works from slide during the install, in all ISO xubuntu testcaes that are targeted as attended installations. Hope thats more clear
[13:07] <flocculant> mmm
[13:08] <flocculant> don't really want to have to be supporting extra install testcases - the live testcase should suffice if we do it
[13:08] <stevehope> not asking if you agree, do you get what i mean?
[13:08] <flocculant> yea I understand :)
[13:10] <flocculant> stevehope: what I'm saying is we could have a 'xubuntu' version of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1303/info 
[13:10] <flocculant> for it to be on an 'installer' testcase we would have to re-write a complete set of them for Xubuntu
[13:10] <stevehope> thats my 2c worth :) and yes, adding to the live test makes more sense..... and it's the testcase with the most user interation, so fits the workflow pattern well
[13:10] <flocculant> right
[13:10] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
[13:11] <flocculant> make sure to put 1303 in there somewhere as the testcase ref
[13:11] <flocculant> mmmm
[13:11]  * flocculant scratches head a bit
[13:12] <flocculant> live session doesn't see the slideshow
[13:13] <stevehope> ah ha! my ill informed suggest was right, la
[13:13] <flocculant> stevehope: thing is - if browser is working then the link from the slideshow will
[13:13] <flocculant> and browser testing gets done automatically
[13:15] <stevehope> I was trying to test against it's availibilty during slide show, I don't know the overall relationships well enough to know if thats covered before the slide show starts
[13:15] <flocculant> it's not tested
[13:16] <stevehope> do the other flavours of ubuntu have this at all?
[13:16] <stevehope> its news to me
[13:16] <flocculant> it's just assumed that if the link worked before - it will now - assuming browser does :)
[13:17] <flocculant> stevehope: not sure tbh - I test other flavours if I see something break that could affect them - certainly take no notice of their slideshows much
[13:18] <stevehope> I don;t want to waste too much of your time, I am going to read up a bit
[13:18] <flocculant> stevehope: don't worry about that :)
[13:18] <stevehope> how do you know if the browser works?
[13:19] <flocculant> because 1 - everyone would shout, 2 - canonical autopkg testing 3 - I run the dev version from the day after we release and I would shout louder
[13:19] <stevehope> lol 
[13:20] <flocculant> stevehope: what won't happen is the main installer testcase changing here - I can say that with my manual testcase admin hat on
[13:20] <flocculant> testcases 
[13:21] <flocculant> nothing to stop us building a testcase for slideshow itself 
[13:22] <flocculant> whether 'we' (Xubuntu) think that's a good use of people's time - bearing in mind we have hardly any testers reporting things at all ;)
[13:22] <stevehope> I'm approaching it from a relative total newcomer to linux, trying to get past UEFI on OEM windows machines, like mine, Acer-V3, requires extra toggling of secure boot and manual addition of shimx64.efi as trusted
[13:22] <flocculant> that said anyone can branch the slideshow from launchpad and run the test script
[13:23] <flocculant> stevehope: that's good - always good to see new perspectives :)
[13:25] <flocculant> stevehope: btw > https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers 
[13:26] <flocculant> stevehope: being part of the the xubuntu-bug team means you will see mail regarding any bug that we 'deal' with
[13:28] <stevehope> thanks, I was already a member of https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs
[13:30] <flocculant> yea I know - was just making you aware of what that meant :)
[13:31] <stevehope> I'm still navigating the various wrokflows, I'll get it eventually
[13:31] <flocculant> stevehope: if eveer not sure just ask in either here or -offtopic
[13:32] <flocculant> if it's qa related either akxwi-dave or me for the main part, but anyone should be able to give you clues
[13:32] <stevehope> thanks, I'll look into that more
[13:33] <flocculant> and if you stick around for long enough we have https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa which is set up specifically to let people who contribute only in testing/qa a way in to the main Xubuntu team
[13:33] <flocculant> but that's moderated - eg you'll get invited in :) 
[13:34] <stevehope> I'll be around as long as I'm learning.... retired early due to injury s handso have lots of time on my
[13:35] <stevehope> opps ... retired early due to injury*
[13:35] <flocculant> that's not so good :(
[13:36] <flocculant> but we'll try and keep you busy ;)
[13:36] <flocculant> stevehope: you seen http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa.html ?
[13:37] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: did you deal with https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+editproposedmembers at all? 
[13:37] <stevehope> my next task for myself is build a docker with a xubuntu base, fully built with some machine learning stuff
[13:38] <flocculant> stevehope: seen https://hub.docker.com/r/schuellerf/xfce-test/
[13:38] <flocculant> and if you are going to do that - document it, might well be really useful for others of us 
[13:39] <flocculant> (especially me who can't suss out the xfce one ... )
[13:43] <stevehope> i was looking at that one yesterday, it will be a great help as a reference, I want to build it myself  for a specific machine learning config, with python2.x and 3.1 and a few dozen other things
[13:45] <stevehope> *python 2.7 and 3.51 
[13:45] <flocculant> I just couldn't make anything work - I suspect there is a 'this is really obvious if you've used these before' step :D
[13:46] <stevehope> i am going to build it as a docker first, then as a snap
[13:47] <flocculant> only tried one snap ... bad choice of snaps :p
[13:48] <stevehope> i have to build damn near everthing from zero if i did the snap first
[13:50] <stevehope> when sucessful, I'll have a proper xubuntu desktop amd64 part others might find usefull
[14:39] <akxwi-dave> flocculant:  thought we had declined that..   In fact I am 100% positive that we had..
[14:41] <akxwi-dave> As he had only just joined testers..  I'll look further into it.
[16:03] <flocculant> ok - just needs removing from list then
[17:28] <knome> flocculant, nothing atm...