| BenderRodriguez | now that Ubuntu has decided to torch its desktop busienss and move completely to enterprise cloud | 02:12 |
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| BenderRodriguez | What alternative operating systems are out there that are desktop focused with big money backing | 02:13 |
| BenderRodriguez | so it doesn't vaporize like crunchbang linux :( | 02:13 |
| ivan | you could just use xfce | 02:14 |
| ivan | the Ubuntu desktop != Unity | 02:14 |
| Menzador | BenderRodriguez: Oh my gosh | 02:17 |
| Menzador | Quit being silly | 02:17 |
| Menzador | !notunity | 02:18 |
| ubot5 | Since Ubuntu 11.10, !Unity is the default desktop in Ubuntu. For the !GNOME 3 desktop, install "gnome-shell". For !MATE, the continuation of GNOME 2, install "mate-desktop". For GNOME Flashback, install "gnome-session-flashback". Also see !flavors. | 02:18 |
| tsimonq2 | Menzador: !!! | 03:15 |
| Menzador | Hey | 03:16 |
| === JanC is now known as Guest16348 | ||
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| ducasse | hi all | 07:13 |
| brunch875 | I read on the internet that the gnome team rejects canonical's work | 09:13 |
| brunch875 | is this true? | 09:13 |
| brunch875 | is this why unity8 flopped? | 09:13 |
| ducasse | i know the gnome devs rejected patches that would make gnome more like what canonical wanted it to be, which they are fully allowed to do. | 09:15 |
| brunch875 | ducasse: such as? | 09:16 |
| ducasse | i don't know what the patches did except change look and behavior, but why should they let someone else dictate how their own code works? | 09:17 |
| brunch875 | well, by rejecting I didn't mean selecting | 09:18 |
| brunch875 | it's fine to choose what goes in and what does not | 09:18 |
| brunch875 | but I meant "rejecting what canonical suggests just because it's canonical" | 09:18 |
| ducasse | i don't think that's how it was, more like "rejects because we don't agree with what this code does" | 09:19 |
| brunch875 | I see... I guess the internet is being as exagerating as always | 09:20 |
| ducasse | typical clickbait i would think. | 09:21 |
| ducasse | aiui at least the gnome devs simply didn't want gnome to work/look the way canonical suggested. | 09:21 |
| brunch875 | it is a shame, really | 09:37 |
| brunch875 | unity8 looked beautiful | 09:37 |
| ducasse | did it? i never tested it, actually, as i was pretty opposed to mir. | 09:41 |
| BluesKaj | Hiya folks | 11:30 |
| trijntje_ | hi there | 11:36 |
| BluesKaj | hi trijntje_ | 11:37 |
| trijntje_ | hi BluesKaj, I think you helped me with some stuf in the past but I cant recall the details. | 11:45 |
| BluesKaj | trijntje_: could be, but i don't remember either :-) | 11:46 |
| trijntje_ | are you worried about the end of unity or are you glad that we are switching to gnome shell? | 11:54 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: ducasse howdy amigos | 11:56 |
| BluesKaj | trijntje_: no worries here, I'm a KDE/Plasma guy :-) | 11:57 |
| BluesKaj | hi immu_ubuntu_gnom | 11:57 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: i am using kiwiirc its awesome software | 11:59 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | brb | 12:00 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: when is the release date for all ubuntu distro's | 12:00 |
| BluesKaj | immu_ubuntu_gnom: try konversation irc client , it's best IMO | 12:01 |
| BluesKaj | immu_ubuntu_gnom: google is your friend for a lot of these questions, but I think it's the 13th | 12:03 |
| trijntje_ | I could never get the hang of kde. I blame kontact, when I first started using (k)ubuntu 8.04 their msn client was broken, so I switched to gnome ;) | 12:14 |
| BluesKaj | trijntje_: do you require kmail and the PIM package etc? | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | msn?? oh lord | 12:15 |
| trijntje_ | yeah I know, long time ago | 12:21 |
| BluesKaj | I recall a msn type app that worked back then , but i wasn't big on them anyway ...IM has kind of gone away in my comunications needs | 12:23 |
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| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: back | 12:39 |
| BluesKaj | did you check out konversation ? | 12:41 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: me? | 12:43 |
| BluesKaj | you're on gnome , immu_ubuntu_gnom , nevermind | 12:43 |
| BluesKaj | yeah | 12:43 |
| BluesKaj | you should run a real irc client instead of a web based one | 12:44 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | yeah i have used Konversation BluesKaj | 12:44 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: any special reason? | 12:44 |
| BluesKaj | more direct connection , beter security | 12:45 |
| BluesKaj | better | 12:45 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | i am connected via SSL | 12:45 |
| BluesKaj | well you can connect via SASL and vpn or vps with konversatiom , hexchat or even quassel afaik | 12:47 |
| BluesKaj | however if you think it's safe enough and it works for you then by all means stick with it | 12:49 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: Smuxi - how is this one? | 12:50 |
| BluesKaj | looked at the site , Kiwi IRC seems to have good security...better than other web based irc | 12:52 |
| BluesKaj | dunno , never used Smuxi ..first I've heard of it | 12:56 |
| BluesKaj | hmm looks light enough for rpi | 12:57 |
| ducasse | \o BluesKaj - how's it going? | 13:56 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: ducasse whats up | 15:04 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | does any one has opinion on Smuxi | 15:07 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | Smuxi IRC | 15:08 |
| daftykins | never touched it, but you shouldn't go by opinions, just try it and see what you think | 15:08 |
| daftykins | only you know what suits you. | 15:08 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | daftykins: ok | 15:10 |
| ducasse | looks decent, i'm happy with tmux+weechat though. | 15:11 |
| nicomachus | I feel like tmux+weechat is just an equal but alternative to screen+irssi | 15:12 |
| nicomachus | like, they both do exactly the same thing | 15:12 |
| nicomachus | it's just personal preference, I guess | 15:12 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | few of the IRC apps in Ubuntu are snap based | 15:13 |
| daftykins | doesn't weechat have a better phone client or something though? whilst you can SSH into your machine and attach to the screen session of irssi i don't consider it very workable :D | 15:13 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | packaged | 15:13 |
| daftykins | well yeah because there's no reason for you to be using snap | 15:13 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: I didn't know weechat had a phone client | 15:13 |
| daftykins | nicomachus: i might be wrong, don't know much about it | 15:13 |
| nicomachus | I usually just ssh and resume the screen session, but yea it is pretty unworkable. just too hard to read on mobile. | 15:13 |
| daftykins | i don't really put much effort into my IRC setup :D | 15:13 |
| * nacc neither | 15:14 | |
| nicomachus | but I only do that on a rare occasion where I'm out and about and need to plug in for some reason | 15:14 |
| nacc | i also have no desire to use IRC on my phone :) | 15:14 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:14 |
| nacc | as much as I love reading the latest rants :) | 15:14 |
| ducasse | nicomachus: weechat has at least an android client, yes, plus glowing-bear (web) | 15:16 |
| ducasse | i don't use either, though | 15:17 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | BluesKaj: ducasse welcome back | 15:17 |
| BluesKaj | been working on the rpi, setting it up again after a sd card failure ...odd that my laptop couldn't see it but my phone was able to reformat it and I was able to reuse it in th rpi. but I did buy another microsd for a backup | 15:20 |
| daftykins | :S | 15:21 |
| daftykins | must've been a cheapy | 15:21 |
| BluesKaj | well i guess kingston ain't what it used to be | 15:22 |
| BluesKaj | bought a samsung as backup tho | 15:22 |
| nicomachus | BluesKaj: you just missed out. My local MicroCenter sent me a coupon about a month ago for a free 32GB storage device. SD, MicroSD, or USB. All you had to do was show and grab one. I got a SD just for a backup for my rpi | 15:26 |
| BluesKaj | heh, how to feel left out by paying 10 bucks for a sdcard that the lucky get got free ...live in the boonies :-) | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | got for free rather | 15:30 |
| BluesKaj | we have at-storm here , almost too dark to see :-) | 15:31 |
| nicomachus | get get get get got got got got | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | gogogo | 15:31 |
| nicomachus | blood rush through my head their hot hot | 15:32 |
| nicomachus | well. now I have to listen to Death Grips. Looks what you did, BluesKaj | 15:32 |
| nicomachus | one little typo and now I can't get this song out of my head | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | nononono | 15:32 |
| nicomachus | that's not part of the song | 15:32 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | how many of you have used pidgin | 15:36 |
| nicomachus | immu_ubuntu_gnom: no | 15:36 |
| nicomachus | i keep hearing about it but don't even know what it does | 15:37 |
| immu_ubuntu_gnom | it has built in IRC protocol | 15:37 |
| nicomachus | oh, this is like Franz | 15:37 |
| nicomachus | with less network options | 15:38 |
| BluesKaj | i tyried it a few times , but found it clunky | 15:38 |
| nacc | pidgin is like old IM (AIM) fork originally (iirc), or that's when i first used it | 15:39 |
| nacc | and then it has grown more and more protocols | 15:39 |
| nicomachus | I like Franz. I can have Telegram, WhatsApp, GroupMe, Gmail, Discord, Slack... basically everything all in one client. | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | one size fits all eh,...hmm | 15:39 |
| nicomachus | it just does tabs for each different service. the only thing it doesn't have that I want is mightyText and/or Pulse SMS clients. | 15:40 |
| nicomachus | it can do hangouts, but since Google is essentially killing Hangouts that doesn't do me any good anymore | 15:41 |
| nicomachus | http://meetfranz.com/ | 15:42 |
| nacc | i go back and forth on tools like that | 15:42 |
| nacc | one tool to rule them all vs. a tool that does its one thing well | 15:43 |
| nacc | nicomachus: so does franz itself not do anything? just wraps the other tools already installed? | 15:43 |
| BluesKaj | don't think hangouts ever caught on | 15:43 |
| nacc | or does it try to be 'clever'? | 15:43 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: used heavily by canonical :) | 15:43 |
| nacc | and other google customers, i assume | 15:43 |
| BluesKaj | well not me :-) | 15:43 |
| BluesKaj | BBL , got other stuff to do for a while | 15:44 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: :) | 15:44 |
| nicomachus | nacc: yea, basically just a wrapper that use the web versions of each service. | 15:45 |
| nacc | nicomachus: ah i see | 15:45 |
| nicomachus | s/use/uses/ | 15:45 |
| nacc | nicomachus: does that mean you don't have local logs? | 15:45 |
| nicomachus | nope | 15:45 |
| nicomachus | I mean, it's really just a souped-up browser. lol | 15:46 |
| nicomachus | that stores all of the login info and preferences for each service | 15:46 |
| immu | BluesKaj: hey i am on pidgin | 15:46 |
| immu | how do i register my ID for IRC | 15:47 |
| nacc | nicomachus: ah ok, yeah, i've often thought of writing a more general framework (maybe franz is already it) which does that for the tools i use most | 15:47 |
| nacc | !register | immu | 15:47 |
| ubot5 | immu: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. | 15:47 |
| immu | ubot5 ok dude | 15:53 |
| immu | ok | 16:07 |
| ash_workz | nacc: maybe I just don't understand the statement 'launchpad only had bzr for awhile' ... so `git` was no available through the canonical repos? | 16:34 |
| ash_workz | or maybe anyone else could explain what nacc meant? ^ | 16:38 |
| ash_workz | s/meant/was saying | 16:38 |
| tgm4883 | ash_workz: code.launchpad.net used bzr exclusively for awhile. Now you can add git repositories to it. This has nothing to do with what packages are available for download | 16:41 |
| tgm4883 | ash_workz: it would be like saying "github.com doesn't support bzr" | 16:41 |
| nacc | ash_workz: what tgm4883 said (sorry was walking the dog) | 16:42 |
| nacc | ash_workz: bzr is just another SCM -- it's used a few places still, although most are migrating to git at this point | 16:42 |
| ash_workz | tgm4883: code.launchpad.net used bzr... for dev workflow? ... I mean... isn't that specific to people working on projects to be released on ubuntu? I mean... I think I am just failing to understand why someone would use a kind of adaptor to get git to talk to bzr | 16:44 |
| tgm4883 | ash_workz: adapter? | 16:44 |
| nacc | ash_workz: you're talking about porcelains, i think | 16:44 |
| tgm4883 | ash_workz: people used bzr instead of git for projects that were hosted on launchpad | 16:45 |
| nacc | ash_workz: let's sayou are used to use git for your project | 16:45 |
| nacc | but the SCM server is bzr based | 16:45 |
| nacc | git-bzr let's you use git commands but still push to a bzr repo | 16:45 |
| ash_workz | oh no, this was just my failure to read... clearly inkscape has repos on bzr and that's what they're talking about | 16:45 |
| nacc | ash_workz: also, more than just ubuntu uses launchpad | 16:45 |
| nacc | some upstreams do as well, afaict | 16:45 |
| ash_workz | thanks I get it now :) | 16:46 |
| immu | BluesKaj: what ya doing? | 17:01 |
| brunch875 | am I the only one who thinks #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic should be merged? | 17:02 |
| nacc | ot is not 'high-quality' :) | 17:04 |
| nacc | and no, i don't want to read that garbage | 17:04 |
| nacc | but i do want to read interesting discussion :) | 17:05 |
| nacc | that might sound mean, but it's true | 17:05 |
| * brunch875 peers at #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:05 | |
| brunch875 | I guess you're right | 17:06 |
| nacc | :) | 17:06 |
| immu | :-D | 17:06 |
| immu | new update at ubuntu have landed | 18:49 |
| baizon | whats new? | 18:50 |
| nacc | immu: not sure what you're referring to? | 18:50 |
| nacc | immu: there are updates all the time | 18:50 |
| immu | updates, via software updator , i mean more updates than usual | 18:58 |
| nacc | i don't know what you mean by 'usual' | 18:59 |
| nacc | if you think there is a 'pattern' to how many updates exist on a given day for ubuntu, then i think you don't understnd how the updates work (they are not predicatable like that) | 19:00 |
| immu | nacc: its my excitement ;) when i receive new updates | 19:34 |
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