[02:12] now that Ubuntu has decided to torch its desktop busienss and move completely to enterprise cloud [02:13] What alternative operating systems are out there that are desktop focused with big money backing [02:13] so it doesn't vaporize like crunchbang linux :( [02:14] you could just use xfce [02:14] the Ubuntu desktop != Unity [02:17] BenderRodriguez: Oh my gosh [02:17] Quit being silly [02:18] !notunity [02:18] Since Ubuntu 11.10, !Unity is the default desktop in Ubuntu. For the !GNOME 3 desktop, install "gnome-shell". For !MATE, the continuation of GNOME 2, install "mate-desktop". For GNOME Flashback, install "gnome-session-flashback". Also see !flavors. [03:15] Menzador: !!! [03:16] Hey === JanC is now known as Guest16348 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [07:13] hi all [09:13] I read on the internet that the gnome team rejects canonical's work [09:13] is this true? [09:13] is this why unity8 flopped? [09:15] i know the gnome devs rejected patches that would make gnome more like what canonical wanted it to be, which they are fully allowed to do. [09:16] ducasse: such as? [09:17] i don't know what the patches did except change look and behavior, but why should they let someone else dictate how their own code works? [09:18] well, by rejecting I didn't mean selecting [09:18] it's fine to choose what goes in and what does not [09:18] but I meant "rejecting what canonical suggests just because it's canonical" [09:19] i don't think that's how it was, more like "rejects because we don't agree with what this code does" [09:20] I see... I guess the internet is being as exagerating as always [09:21] typical clickbait i would think. [09:21] aiui at least the gnome devs simply didn't want gnome to work/look the way canonical suggested. [09:37] it is a shame, really [09:37] unity8 looked beautiful [09:41] did it? i never tested it, actually, as i was pretty opposed to mir. [11:30] Hiya folks [11:36] hi there [11:37] hi trijntje_ [11:45] hi BluesKaj, I think you helped me with some stuf in the past but I cant recall the details. [11:46] trijntje_: could be, but i don't remember either :-) [11:54] are you worried about the end of unity or are you glad that we are switching to gnome shell? [11:56] BluesKaj: ducasse howdy amigos [11:57] trijntje_: no worries here, I'm a KDE/Plasma guy :-) [11:57] hi immu_ubuntu_gnom [11:59] BluesKaj: i am using kiwiirc its awesome software [12:00] brb [12:00] BluesKaj: when is the release date for all ubuntu distro's [12:01] immu_ubuntu_gnom: try konversation irc client , it's best IMO [12:03] immu_ubuntu_gnom: google is your friend for a lot of these questions, but I think it's the 13th [12:14] I could never get the hang of kde. I blame kontact, when I first started using (k)ubuntu 8.04 their msn client was broken, so I switched to gnome ;) [12:15] trijntje_: do you require kmail and the PIM package etc? [12:15] msn?? oh lord [12:21] yeah I know, long time ago [12:23] I recall a msn type app that worked back then , but i wasn't big on them anyway ...IM has kind of gone away in my comunications needs === Guest48691 is now known as lordievader [12:39] BluesKaj: back [12:41] did you check out konversation ? [12:43] BluesKaj: me? [12:43] you're on gnome , immu_ubuntu_gnom , nevermind [12:43] yeah [12:44] you should run a real irc client instead of a web based one [12:44] yeah i have used Konversation BluesKaj [12:44] BluesKaj: any special reason? [12:45] more direct connection , beter security [12:45] better [12:45] i am connected via SSL [12:47] well you can connect via SASL and vpn or vps with konversatiom , hexchat or even quassel afaik [12:49] however if you think it's safe enough and it works for you then by all means stick with it [12:50] BluesKaj: Smuxi - how is this one? [12:52] looked at the site , Kiwi IRC seems to have good security...better than other web based irc [12:56] dunno , never used Smuxi ..first I've heard of it [12:57] hmm looks light enough for rpi [13:56] \o BluesKaj - how's it going? [15:04] BluesKaj: ducasse whats up [15:07] does any one has opinion on Smuxi [15:08] Smuxi IRC [15:08] never touched it, but you shouldn't go by opinions, just try it and see what you think [15:08] only you know what suits you. [15:10] daftykins: ok [15:11] looks decent, i'm happy with tmux+weechat though. [15:12] I feel like tmux+weechat is just an equal but alternative to screen+irssi [15:12] like, they both do exactly the same thing [15:12] it's just personal preference, I guess [15:13] few of the IRC apps in Ubuntu are snap based [15:13] doesn't weechat have a better phone client or something though? whilst you can SSH into your machine and attach to the screen session of irssi i don't consider it very workable :D [15:13] packaged [15:13] well yeah because there's no reason for you to be using snap [15:13] daftykins: I didn't know weechat had a phone client [15:13] nicomachus: i might be wrong, don't know much about it [15:13] I usually just ssh and resume the screen session, but yea it is pretty unworkable. just too hard to read on mobile. [15:13] i don't really put much effort into my IRC setup :D [15:14] * nacc neither [15:14] but I only do that on a rare occasion where I'm out and about and need to plug in for some reason [15:14] i also have no desire to use IRC on my phone :) [15:14] :D [15:14] as much as I love reading the latest rants :) [15:16] nicomachus: weechat has at least an android client, yes, plus glowing-bear (web) [15:17] i don't use either, though [15:17] BluesKaj: ducasse welcome back [15:20] been working on the rpi, setting it up again after a sd card failure ...odd that my laptop couldn't see it but my phone was able to reformat it and I was able to reuse it in th rpi. but I did buy another microsd for a backup [15:21] :S [15:21] must've been a cheapy [15:22] well i guess kingston ain't what it used to be [15:22] bought a samsung as backup tho [15:26] BluesKaj: you just missed out. My local MicroCenter sent me a coupon about a month ago for a free 32GB storage device. SD, MicroSD, or USB. All you had to do was show and grab one. I got a SD just for a backup for my rpi [15:28] heh, how to feel left out by paying 10 bucks for a sdcard that the lucky get got free ...live in the boonies :-) [15:30] got for free rather [15:31] we have at-storm here , almost too dark to see :-) [15:31] get get get get got got got got [15:31] gogogo [15:32] blood rush through my head their hot hot [15:32] well. now I have to listen to Death Grips. Looks what you did, BluesKaj [15:32] one little typo and now I can't get this song out of my head [15:32] nononono [15:32] that's not part of the song [15:36] how many of you have used pidgin [15:36] immu_ubuntu_gnom: no [15:37] i keep hearing about it but don't even know what it does [15:37] it has built in IRC protocol [15:37] oh, this is like Franz [15:38] with less network options [15:38] i tyried it a few times , but found it clunky [15:39] pidgin is like old IM (AIM) fork originally (iirc), or that's when i first used it [15:39] and then it has grown more and more protocols [15:39] I like Franz. I can have Telegram, WhatsApp, GroupMe, Gmail, Discord, Slack... basically everything all in one client. [15:39] one size fits all eh,...hmm [15:40] it just does tabs for each different service. the only thing it doesn't have that I want is mightyText and/or Pulse SMS clients. [15:41] it can do hangouts, but since Google is essentially killing Hangouts that doesn't do me any good anymore [15:42] http://meetfranz.com/ [15:42] i go back and forth on tools like that [15:43] one tool to rule them all vs. a tool that does its one thing well [15:43] nicomachus: so does franz itself not do anything? just wraps the other tools already installed? [15:43] don't think hangouts ever caught on [15:43] or does it try to be 'clever'? [15:43] BluesKaj: used heavily by canonical :) [15:43] and other google customers, i assume [15:43] well not me :-) [15:44] BBL , got other stuff to do for a while [15:44] BluesKaj: :) [15:45] nacc: yea, basically just a wrapper that use the web versions of each service. [15:45] nicomachus: ah i see [15:45] s/use/uses/ [15:45] nicomachus: does that mean you don't have local logs? [15:45] nope [15:46] I mean, it's really just a souped-up browser. lol [15:46] that stores all of the login info and preferences for each service [15:46] BluesKaj: hey i am on pidgin [15:47] how do i register my ID for IRC [15:47] nicomachus: ah ok, yeah, i've often thought of writing a more general framework (maybe franz is already it) which does that for the tools i use most [15:47] !register | immu [15:47] immu: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [15:53] ubot5 ok dude [16:07] ok [16:34] nacc: maybe I just don't understand the statement 'launchpad only had bzr for awhile' ... so `git` was no available through the canonical repos? [16:38] or maybe anyone else could explain what nacc meant? ^ [16:38] s/meant/was saying [16:41] ash_workz: code.launchpad.net used bzr exclusively for awhile. Now you can add git repositories to it. This has nothing to do with what packages are available for download [16:41] ash_workz: it would be like saying "github.com doesn't support bzr" [16:42] ash_workz: what tgm4883 said (sorry was walking the dog) [16:42] ash_workz: bzr is just another SCM -- it's used a few places still, although most are migrating to git at this point [16:44] tgm4883: code.launchpad.net used bzr... for dev workflow? ... I mean... isn't that specific to people working on projects to be released on ubuntu? I mean... I think I am just failing to understand why someone would use a kind of adaptor to get git to talk to bzr [16:44] ash_workz: adapter? [16:44] ash_workz: you're talking about porcelains, i think [16:45] ash_workz: people used bzr instead of git for projects that were hosted on launchpad [16:45] ash_workz: let's sayou are used to use git for your project [16:45] but the SCM server is bzr based [16:45] git-bzr let's you use git commands but still push to a bzr repo [16:45] oh no, this was just my failure to read... clearly inkscape has repos on bzr and that's what they're talking about [16:45] ash_workz: also, more than just ubuntu uses launchpad [16:45] some upstreams do as well, afaict [16:46] thanks I get it now :) [17:01] BluesKaj: what ya doing? [17:02] am I the only one who thinks #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic should be merged? [17:04] ot is not 'high-quality' :) [17:04] and no, i don't want to read that garbage [17:05] but i do want to read interesting discussion :) [17:05] that might sound mean, but it's true [17:05] * brunch875 peers at #ubuntu-offtopic [17:06] I guess you're right [17:06] :) [17:06] :-D [18:49] new update at ubuntu have landed [18:50] whats new? [18:50] immu: not sure what you're referring to? [18:50] immu: there are updates all the time [18:58] updates, via software updator , i mean more updates than usual [18:59] i don't know what you mean by 'usual' [19:00] if you think there is a 'pattern' to how many updates exist on a given day for ubuntu, then i think you don't understnd how the updates work (they are not predicatable like that) [19:34] nacc: its my excitement ;) when i receive new updates