[02:12] <BenderRodriguez> now that Ubuntu has decided to torch its desktop busienss and move completely to enterprise cloud
[02:13] <BenderRodriguez> What alternative operating systems are out there that are desktop focused with big money backing
[02:13] <BenderRodriguez> so it doesn't vaporize like crunchbang linux :(
[02:14] <ivan> you could just use xfce
[02:14] <ivan> the Ubuntu desktop != Unity
[02:17] <Menzador> BenderRodriguez: Oh my gosh
[02:17] <Menzador> Quit being silly
[02:18] <Menzador> !notunity
[03:15] <tsimonq2> Menzador: !!!
[03:16] <Menzador> Hey
[07:13] <ducasse> hi all
[09:13] <brunch875> I read on the internet that the gnome team rejects canonical's work
[09:13] <brunch875> is this true?
[09:13] <brunch875> is this why unity8 flopped?
[09:15] <ducasse> i know the gnome devs rejected patches that would make gnome more like what canonical wanted it to be, which they are fully allowed to do.
[09:16] <brunch875> ducasse: such as?
[09:17] <ducasse> i don't know what the patches did except change look and behavior, but why should they let someone else dictate how their own code works?
[09:18] <brunch875> well, by rejecting I didn't mean selecting
[09:18] <brunch875> it's fine to choose what goes in and what does not
[09:18] <brunch875> but I meant "rejecting what canonical suggests just because it's canonical"
[09:19] <ducasse> i don't think that's how it was, more like "rejects because we don't agree with what this code does"
[09:20] <brunch875> I see... I guess the internet is being as exagerating as always
[09:21] <ducasse> typical clickbait i would think.
[09:21] <ducasse> aiui at least the gnome devs simply didn't want gnome to work/look the way canonical suggested.
[09:37] <brunch875> it is a shame, really
[09:37] <brunch875> unity8 looked beautiful
[09:41] <ducasse> did it? i never tested it, actually, as i was pretty opposed to mir.
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:36] <trijntje_> hi there
[11:37] <BluesKaj> hi trijntje_
[11:45] <trijntje_> hi BluesKaj, I think you helped me with some stuf in the past but I cant recall the details.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> trijntje_: could be, but i don't remember either :-)
[11:54] <trijntje_> are you worried about the end of unity or are you glad that we are switching to gnome shell?
[11:56] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: ducasse howdy amigos
[11:57] <BluesKaj> trijntje_:  no worries here, I'm a KDE/Plasma guy :-)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hi immu_ubuntu_gnom
[11:59] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: i am using kiwiirc its awesome software
[12:00] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> brb
[12:00] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: when is the release date for all ubuntu distro's
[12:01] <BluesKaj> immu_ubuntu_gnom:  try konversation irc client , it's best IMO
[12:03] <BluesKaj> immu_ubuntu_gnom:  google is your friend for a lot of these questions, but I think it's the 13th
[12:14] <trijntje_> I could never get the hang of kde. I blame kontact, when I first started using (k)ubuntu 8.04 their msn client was broken, so I switched to gnome ;)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> trijntje_:  do you require kmail and the PIM package etc?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> msn?? oh lord
[12:21] <trijntje_> yeah I know, long time ago
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I recall a msn type app that worked back then , but i wasn't big on them anyway ...IM has kind of gone away in my comunications needs
[12:39] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: back
[12:41] <BluesKaj> did you check out konversation ?
[12:43] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: me?
[12:43] <BluesKaj>  you're on gnome , immu_ubuntu_gnom , nevermind
[12:43] <BluesKaj> yeah
[12:44] <BluesKaj> you should run a real irc client instead of a web based one
[12:44] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> yeah i have used Konversation BluesKaj
[12:44] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj: any special reason?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> more direct connection , beter security
[12:45] <BluesKaj> better
[12:45] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> i am connected via SSL
[12:47] <BluesKaj> well you can connect via SASL and vpn or vps with konversatiom , hexchat or even quassel afaik
[12:49] <BluesKaj> however if you think it's safe enough and it works for you then by all means stick with it
[12:50] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj:  Smuxi - how is this one?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> looked at the site , Kiwi IRC seems to have good security...better than other web based irc
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dunno , never used Smuxi ..first I've heard of it
[12:57] <BluesKaj> hmm looks light enough for rpi
[13:56] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - how's it going?
[15:04] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj:  ducasse whats up
[15:07] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> does any one has opinion on Smuxi
[15:08] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> Smuxi IRC
[15:08] <daftykins> never touched it, but you shouldn't go by opinions, just try it and see what you think
[15:08] <daftykins> only you know what suits you.
[15:10] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> daftykins: ok
[15:11] <ducasse> looks decent, i'm happy with tmux+weechat though.
[15:12] <nicomachus> I feel like tmux+weechat is just an equal but alternative to screen+irssi
[15:12] <nicomachus> like, they both do exactly the same thing
[15:12] <nicomachus> it's just personal preference, I guess
[15:13] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> few of the IRC apps in Ubuntu are snap based
[15:13] <daftykins> doesn't weechat have a better phone client or something though? whilst you can SSH into your machine and attach to the screen session of irssi i don't consider it very workable :D
[15:13] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> packaged
[15:13] <daftykins> well yeah because there's no reason for you to be using snap
[15:13] <nicomachus> daftykins: I didn't know weechat had a phone client
[15:13] <daftykins> nicomachus: i might be wrong, don't know much about it
[15:13] <nicomachus> I usually just ssh and resume the screen session, but yea it is pretty unworkable. just too hard to read on mobile.
[15:13] <daftykins> i don't really put much effort into my IRC setup :D
[15:14]  * nacc neither
[15:14] <nicomachus> but I only do that on a rare occasion where I'm out and about and need to plug in for some reason
[15:14] <nacc> i also have no desire to use IRC on my phone :)
[15:14] <daftykins> :D
[15:14] <nacc> as much as I love reading the latest rants :)
[15:16] <ducasse> nicomachus: weechat has at least an android client, yes, plus glowing-bear (web)
[15:17] <ducasse> i don't use either, though
[15:17] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> BluesKaj:  ducasse welcome back
[15:20] <BluesKaj> been working on the rpi, setting it up again after a sd card failure ...odd that my laptop couldn't see it but my phone was able to reformat it and I was able to reuse it in th rpi. but I did buy another microsd for a backup
[15:21] <daftykins> :S
[15:21] <daftykins> must've been a cheapy
[15:22] <BluesKaj> well i guess kingston ain't what it used to be
[15:22] <BluesKaj> bought a samsung as backup tho
[15:26] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: you just missed out. My local MicroCenter sent me a coupon about a month ago for a free 32GB storage device. SD, MicroSD, or USB. All you had to do was show and grab one. I got a SD just for a backup for my rpi
[15:28] <BluesKaj> heh, how to feel left out by paying 10 bucks for a sdcard that the lucky get got free ...live in the boonies :-)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> got for free rather
[15:31] <BluesKaj> we have at-storm here , almost too dark to see :-)
[15:31] <nicomachus> get get get get got got got got
[15:31] <BluesKaj> gogogo
[15:32] <nicomachus> blood rush through my head their hot hot
[15:32] <nicomachus> well. now I have to listen to Death Grips. Looks what you did, BluesKaj
[15:32] <nicomachus> one little typo and now I can't get this song out of my head
[15:32] <BluesKaj> nononono
[15:32] <nicomachus> that's not part of the song
[15:36] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> how many of you have used pidgin
[15:36] <nicomachus> immu_ubuntu_gnom: no
[15:37] <nicomachus> i keep hearing about it but don't even know what it does
[15:37] <immu_ubuntu_gnom> it has built in IRC protocol
[15:37] <nicomachus> oh, this is like Franz
[15:38] <nicomachus> with less network options
[15:38] <BluesKaj> i tyried it a few times , but found it clunky
[15:39] <nacc> pidgin is like old IM (AIM) fork originally (iirc), or that's when i first used it
[15:39] <nacc> and then it has grown more and more protocols
[15:39] <nicomachus> I like Franz. I can have Telegram, WhatsApp, GroupMe, Gmail, Discord, Slack... basically everything all in one client.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> one size fits all eh,...hmm
[15:40] <nicomachus> it just does tabs for each different service. the only thing it doesn't have that I want is mightyText and/or Pulse SMS clients.
[15:41] <nicomachus> it can do hangouts, but since Google is essentially killing Hangouts that doesn't do me any good anymore
[15:42] <nicomachus> http://meetfranz.com/
[15:42] <nacc> i go back and forth on tools like that
[15:43] <nacc> one tool to rule them all vs. a tool that does its one thing well
[15:43] <nacc> nicomachus: so does franz itself not do anything? just wraps the other tools already installed?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> don't think hangouts ever caught on
[15:43] <nacc> or does it try to be 'clever'?
[15:43] <nacc> BluesKaj: used heavily by canonical :)
[15:43] <nacc> and other google customers, i assume
[15:43] <BluesKaj> well not me :-)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> BBL , got other stuff to do for a while
[15:44] <nacc> BluesKaj: :)
[15:45] <nicomachus> nacc: yea, basically just a wrapper that use the web versions of each service.
[15:45] <nacc> nicomachus: ah i see
[15:45] <nicomachus> s/use/uses/
[15:45] <nacc> nicomachus: does that mean you don't have local logs?
[15:45] <nicomachus> nope
[15:46] <nicomachus> I mean, it's really just a souped-up browser. lol
[15:46] <nicomachus> that stores all of the login info and preferences for each service
[15:46] <immu> BluesKaj: hey i am on pidgin
[15:47] <immu> how do i register my ID for IRC
[15:47] <nacc> nicomachus: ah ok, yeah, i've often thought of writing a more general framework (maybe franz is already it) which does that for the tools i use most
[15:47] <nacc> !register | immu
[15:53] <immu> ubot5 ok dude
[16:07] <immu> ok
[16:34] <ash_workz> nacc: maybe I just don't understand the statement 'launchpad only had bzr for awhile' ... so `git` was no available through the canonical repos?
[16:38] <ash_workz> or maybe anyone else could explain what nacc meant? ^
[16:38] <ash_workz> s/meant/was saying
[16:41] <tgm4883> ash_workz: code.launchpad.net used bzr exclusively for awhile. Now you can add git repositories to it. This has nothing to do with what packages are available for download
[16:41] <tgm4883> ash_workz: it would be like saying "github.com doesn't support bzr"
[16:42] <nacc> ash_workz: what tgm4883 said (sorry was walking the dog)
[16:42] <nacc> ash_workz: bzr is just another SCM -- it's used a few places still, although most are migrating to git at this point
[16:44] <ash_workz> tgm4883: code.launchpad.net used bzr... for dev workflow? ... I mean... isn't that specific to people working on projects to be released on ubuntu? I mean... I think I am just failing to understand why someone would use a kind of adaptor to get git to talk to bzr
[16:44] <tgm4883> ash_workz: adapter?
[16:44] <nacc> ash_workz: you're talking about porcelains, i think
[16:45] <tgm4883> ash_workz: people used bzr instead of git for projects that were hosted on launchpad
[16:45] <nacc> ash_workz: let's sayou are used to use git for your project
[16:45] <nacc> but the SCM server is bzr based
[16:45] <nacc> git-bzr let's you use git commands but still push to a bzr repo
[16:45] <ash_workz> oh no, this was just my failure to read... clearly inkscape has repos on bzr and that's what they're talking about
[16:45] <nacc> ash_workz: also, more than just ubuntu uses launchpad
[16:45] <nacc> some upstreams do as well, afaict
[16:46] <ash_workz> thanks I get it now :)
[17:01] <immu> BluesKaj: what ya doing?
[17:02] <brunch875> am I the only one who thinks #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic should be merged?
[17:04] <nacc> ot is not 'high-quality' :)
[17:04] <nacc> and no, i don't want to read that garbage
[17:05] <nacc> but i do want to read interesting discussion :)
[17:05] <nacc> that might sound mean, but it's true
[17:05]  * brunch875 peers at #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:06] <brunch875> I guess you're right
[17:06] <nacc> :)
[17:06] <immu> :-D
[18:49] <immu> new update at ubuntu have landed
[18:50] <baizon> whats new?
[18:50] <nacc> immu: not sure what you're referring to?
[18:50] <nacc> immu: there are updates all the time
[18:58] <immu> updates, via software updator , i mean more updates than usual
[18:59] <nacc> i don't know what you mean by 'usual'
[19:00] <nacc> if you think there is a 'pattern' to how many updates exist on a given day for ubuntu, then i think you don't understnd how the updates work (they are not predicatable like that)
[19:34] <immu> nacc: its my excitement ;) when i receive new updates