[05:44] <ayad> how to install steam from terminal?
[05:44] <ayad> sudo get apt-steam???
[05:47] <Astro7467> sudo apt-get install steam
[09:35] <mate|70656> what are the pros of ubuntu mate over ubuntu..
[09:37] <Astro7467> Lower system requirements/footprint, traditional (yet flexible/customisable) user interface + advantages of being built on, and part of, Ubuntu
[09:42] <mate|70656> I am using ubuntu on a hp notebook with intel i3, 4 gb ram without graphics card. It feels a bit slower..
[09:42] <mate|70656> Can it be improved with ubuntu mate?
[09:43] <Astro7467> I don't have the figures off the top of my head, but if you are using up a lot of RAM, then MATE may help
[09:44] <Astro7467> You can add the MATE DE to an existing Ubuntu install - you just need to install the desktop package and at login change the desktop environment to use (Unity or MATE)
[09:45] <mate|70656> Would you please help me with minimum partition sizes while creating manual partitioning for installing ubuntu mate...
[09:45] <mate|70656> I am dual booting with windows 10
[09:46] <mate|70656> Do I really need to create swap partition...what should be the minimum size...
[09:47] <Astro7467> for root partition the smallest I would go is 16GB
[09:48] <Astro7467> smaller possible _my systems with clean install and additional packages (libreoffice updates etc) use 6.4GB
[09:50] <Astro7467> you can skip a swap partition - you can use a swapfile to avoid the extra partitioning needs - think 17.04 will be swapfile by defualt (I'm focused on LTS, so someone more familiar shld be able to confirm/deny that)
[09:50] <mate|70656> I have given 15 GB to root and 5 gb home and 5 gb for swap.
[09:51] <mate|70656> does it qualify for a good enough system for begining with linux
[09:52] <Astro7467> Yes - i3 & 4GB shld be sufficent for light desktop needs - i.e. not running a lot of apps at the same time and expecting to be able to swap between them quickly
[09:53] <Astro7467> note that web browsers tend to be the biggest users of RAM - lots of tabs etc will cause high RAM consumption
[09:53] <Astro7467> not unusual to see FF or Chrome consume 1GB+ of RAM
[09:55] <Astro7467> I say this with hesitation, so pls be aware there are additional risks involved - you can just have a single partition where root & home reside
[09:55] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/315110326/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings_17.04.2_17.04.3.diff.gz
[09:55] <jbicha> good morning
[09:55] <mate|70656> How can I swap swap partition with the swap file and what should be size of swap file...
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> jbicha Hi :-)
[09:56] <Astro7467> so a single partition & a swapfile (which you cld grow/shrink to your needs) with 20GB of space would give you a flexible amount of space
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Thanks for sharing!
[09:58] <mate|70656> I have created three partitions 15 gb root, 5gb home, 5gb swap...now what should I change.?
[09:58] <Astro7467> If you have already created them, I suggest just leaving AS-IS
[09:58] <jbicha> well, Ubuntu GNOME borrowed the homepage customization from Ubuntu MATE
[10:00] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: I also fixed LP: #1681351 for Ubuntu GNOME today
[10:01] <Astro7467> mate|70656:
[10:01] <jbicha> and you saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-March/004070.html right?
[10:01] <jbicha> last minute seed changes are uncomfortable but I figured these additions are useful
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> jbicha What should build-essentials be installed by default though?
[10:02] <jbicha> there will need to be a zesty respin anyway for ubiquity
[10:03] <jbicha> in the bug report, I pointed to someone who complained about it being useful for installing proprietary wifi drivers
[10:03] <jbicha> you're welcome to leave things as they are for zesty though if you want
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> jbicha Ubuntu MATE has the exFAT stuff seeded.
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> As for Wireless drivers, we have a section in Ubuntu MATE Welcome to assist with that that pulls in the required tool post install.
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> Out image is quite flabby :-)
[10:04] <jbicha> ok, so you're ahead of us! :)
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> I'm trying to keep it on a diet ;-)
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> That Firefox fix is much appreciated, thank you!
[10:19] <alkisg> jbicha: so next Ubuntu will start off from ubuntu-gnome?
[10:19] <alkisg> (hi all btw)
[10:20] <alkisg> There' won't be an ubuntu-gnome spin anymore, it'll just be called ubuntu?
[10:31] <jbicha> alkisg: Ubuntu GNOME will be making an announcement later this week to hopefully answer some of the bigger questions :)
[10:49] <alkisg> Cool; I'll wait to read it :)
[11:08] <el3phanten> Hi. How do I set mouse and touchpad speed independently?
[11:08] <el3phanten> ubuntu mate 16.04
[11:58] <HendiMan> Hello, does anyone know how to lower mouse sensitivity beyond the gui tool?
[11:58] <HendiMan> I have tried google but many suggestions do not work
[12:01] <el3phanten> HendiMan: http://askubuntu.com/questions/205676/how-to-change-mouse-speed-sensitivity did you try this one?
[12:04] <HendiMan> yes, no luck
[12:06] <el3phanten> works for me. Set the "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" to a higher number
[12:07] <el3phanten> I just had to do this to set my mouse and touchpad speed independent
[12:11] <HendiMan> my mouse does not have that option in --list-props
[13:24] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, updates settings on my bare-metal 17.04 Beta 2 install are set to download and install automatically for security updates. Is that normal? I though the default policy was "don't do anything automatically by default"
[13:31] <flexiondotorg> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[13:31] <flexiondotorg> Installing security updates is the correct behaviour.
[13:33] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I'm not disputing that, but usually the desktop user gets a say in when to do it. This changed in 16.04 when we discovered the missing dependency unattended-upgrades, and back then adding that package automatically selected that option, but afaik this shouldn't be default.
[13:34] <alkisg> The very annoying part of this is, `apt-get update` => can't because of dpkg lock
[13:34] <alkisg> Then `killall apt` or stuff like that => broken packages because it was installing
[13:35] <alkisg> IMHO it shouldn't be the default until it's properly displayed to the users, that apt is working behind the scenes
[13:35] <alkisg> I've seen many users get issues because of that. So security updates are supposed to help, but break systems instead.
[13:36] <ouroumov_> alkisg, flexiondotorg : apparently vanilla Ubuntu also uses that setting.
[13:36] <ouroumov_> the 17.04 Beta2 I mean
[13:36] <alkisg> Sure; it's just as bad there imho
[13:36] <alkisg> They could do it graphically, with a dialog; or on shutdown, like windows "installing updates" does
[13:36] <alkisg> But not behind the scenes
[13:37] <ouroumov_> alkisg, I'm pointing that out because for all I know this might be part of the requirement to qualify as official ubuntu derivative, in which case I'd retract my objection
[13:38] <alkisg> I would file the objection against ubuntu as well :D
[13:43] <ouroumov_> alkisg, you mean in the form of a bug report? :p
[13:46] <alkisg> Yup, why not
[13:46] <alkisg> E.g. "trying to install software from gnome-software doesn't work because apt is installing security updates behind the scenes"
[13:46] <alkisg> It's a real issue... they should put support for this in multiple places before landing it
[14:01] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, wrt this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1605887 is it normal that the package ubuntu-mate-settings does not appear to be in Zesty? (according to apt-cache policy and apt-cache search)
[14:26] <alkisg> ouroumov_, apt show ubuntu-mate-default-settings | grep ^Source
[14:26] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate-settings is the source package for the ubuntu-mate-default-settings binary package
[14:27] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: on Windows, it worked when I used the line from https://developer.mozilla.org/Firefox/Enterprise_deployment
[14:28] <jbicha> defaultPref("browser.startup.homepage","data:text/plain,browser.startup.homepage=http://home.example.com");
[14:28] <jbicha> but it's not working for me in Ubuntu
[14:31] <ouroumov_> alkisg, ok
[15:05] <flexiondotorg> jbicha I think this is a bug.
[18:09] <sage__> Hi I installed Ubuntu Mate yesterday and I really like the interface
[18:11] <el3phanten> sage__: me too
[18:11] <el3phanten> on two computers
[18:12] <el3phanten> and it works. Been distro hopping for a while
[18:12] <el3phanten> takes  2 seconds to boot
[18:13] <el3phanten> sage__: with copiz as window manager
[18:13] <el3phanten> compiz*
[18:15] <sage__> it takes me awhile too boot but I dont have the BIOS password
[18:16] <sage__> I bought it used and the shop that sold it to me is tracking it down
[18:16] <el3phanten> ok. ssd?
[18:17] <sage__> hdd
[18:17] <el3phanten> ok yea, I have ssd on both of my computers. Thats why my boot is so fast
[18:17] <sage__> I have a 2013 Thinkpad edge
[18:18] <el3phanten> but kubuntu did not boot that fast, and opensuse with kde, eiter
[18:18] <el3phanten> so ubuntu mate boots faster than both
[18:19] <el3phanten> I have ideapad y700
[18:19] <sage__> it has a slot for an mSATA ssd, I'm going to buy a 32 gig boot disk
[18:20] <el3phanten> no slot for m.2?
[18:21] <el3phanten> probably not if its from 2013
[18:21] <sage__> yeah its just a regular msata
[18:21] <sage__> but thats ok with me
[18:22] <el3phanten> yea it will boot faster
[18:22] <el3phanten> I have used ubuntu mate before. And now turned back
[18:23] <sage__> I really like the drop down menus
[18:27] <sage__> it's easier to stay on task (I have ADD)
[19:55] <paulgr> someone you be to México?
[19:55] <paulgr> hi what's up?
[19:55] <paulgr> or someone chat in spanish?
[20:04] <sage__> Puedo hablar en espanol
[20:11] <el3phanten> Puedo traductor de Google
[20:11] <el3phanten> :D
[20:32] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, im from mexico
[20:33] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, also theres #ubuntu-es
[20:57] <paulgr> hi :D
[20:57] <paulgr> Dark de donde eres?
[20:58] <paulgr> hola jaja alguien que sepa hablar español?
[21:04] <DarkPsydeLord> de león vente a #Ubuntu-es
[21:15] <DarkPsydeLord> paulgr, si sabes como unirte a otros canales irc?
[21:15] <paulgr> no Dx soy nuevo en ubuntu
[21:16] <paulgr> me dejaron una practica de Concurrente y paralela de MPI y me dijo la profa que necesitaba ubuntu
[21:17] <paulgr> asi que instale Mate porque es mas lijera que la normal, pero se ve interesante la comunidad, estudio Ing en Cs. de la Computacion en la BUAP en Puebla Mexico :D
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> ok que cliente usas de irc? hexchat?
[21:21] <paulgr> si
[21:21] <paulgr> exacto xD
[21:21] <paulgr> ese
[21:21] <DarkPsydeLord> arriba donde dice server le pones join a channel y escribes ubuntu-es
[21:22] <DarkPsydeLord> y llegaras al canal de ubuntu en español
[21:22] <paulgr> gracais ya pude xD voy a andar por alla
[22:27] <mate|701> Is anyone around?
[22:28] <mate|701> I guess not.