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cyphermoximho, it's pretty late for rebuilding main packages just for PIE, perhaps if there are other bugfixes alongside..00:57
UkikieIt depends on if its pumpkin pie....01:26
mwhudsonany release team people about?01:35
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.6 (xenial-proposed/main) [1.6.2-0ubuntu5~16.04 => 1.6.2-0ubuntu5~16.04.1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)02:11
cyphermoxmwhudson: it's either too late or too early I think; otherwise too weekend? ;D02:32
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (zesty-proposed/main) [17.04.8 => 17.04.9] (core)02:39
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (zesty-proposed/main) [123 => 124] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)02:40
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mwhudsoncyphermox: yeah too weekend02:52
estangood morning folks. any release team member who could kindly have a look at qtbase-opensource-src 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.4 in the xenial upload queue? it fixes a quite annoying bug i reported, so i'm eager to have it tested in proposed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1598173).05:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1598173 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu Xenial) "Please consider SRU of "xcb: Compress mouse motion and touch update events"" [Undecided,New]05:49
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (zesty-proposed) [124]05:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (zesty-proposed) [2:10.0.0-0ubuntu5]05:51
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.04.9]05:51
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnss-sdr (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0.9-1 => 0.0.9-2] (no packageset) (sync)06:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnss-sdr [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.9-2]06:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-bioc-genomeinfodb (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.10.2-1 => 1.10.3-1] (no packageset) (sync)06:27
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-bioc-genomeinfodb [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.10.3-1]06:27
infinityrbalint: I suspect your science is a bit off if glibc is in that list, given that dpkg and gcc didn't change since the last glibc upload.  But also, waaaay too late to be asking to rebuild a bunch of stuff in main.  It can wait for Anonymous Antelope.06:31
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ginggsrbalint: yw, and thanks for the upload.  i've sync'd r-bioc-genomeinfodb and will trigger the necessary tests06:51
infinityginggs: Still hoping to get that whole R mess migrated under the wire?06:53
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-weather (zesty-proposed/universe) [0~20160325.gitb5415ec-2ubuntu2 => 0~20170402.git34506a6-1] (no packageset) (sync)07:22
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-weather [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0~20170402.git34506a6-1]07:22
ginggsinfinity: i think a big chunk of them will migrate now - but there are still a couple with bad tests07:39
* apw yawns at the world07:40
infinityginggs: Yeah, I briefly looked at the mess when I was on the warpath to make glibc's rdeps all green.  I got everything EXCEPT for r-* because I had better things to do.07:40
infinityapw: Did the world yawn back?07:42
apwseems not, seems i am not very interesting07:42
jbichahi, what should we do to fix chrome-gnome-shell 8-2ubuntu4~ubuntu16.10.1 not actually being published for 16.10?08:18
jbichahttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/chrome-gnome-shell/08:18
jbichahttps://github.com/nE0sIghT/chrome-gnome-shell-mirror/issues/4408:18
LocutusOfBorghello infinity thanks for curl hint08:30
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: system-config-printer (zesty-proposed/main) [1.5.7+20160812-0ubuntu8 => 1.5.7+20160812-0ubuntu9] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)08:55
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dnscrypt-proxy [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.9.4-1build1]08:56
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipa [source] (zesty-proposed) [4.4.3-3ubuntu2]08:57
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dnstap-ldns [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.2.0-2build1]08:58
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libzonemaster-perl (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.16-1 => 1.0.16-1build1] (no packageset)08:58
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libzonemaster-perl [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.16-1build1]08:58
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pathspider [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.1-1build1]08:58
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infinityLocutusOfBorg: Dude.  A library transition three days before release? :(09:01
infinityLocutusOfBorg: One that involves seeded packages, no less?09:01
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cluster-glue (zesty-proposed/main) [1.0.12-5ubuntu1 => 1.0.12-5ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)09:01
LocutusOfBorginfinity, erm... not my fault, trying to fix other people mistakes09:02
LocutusOfBorgtrying to fix the mess :/09:02
maprerionly strongswan is seeded, right?09:02
infinityLocutusOfBorg: It wasn't a mess until you just now uploaded.09:03
infinityLocutusOfBorg: One library stuck in proposed is not a "mess".09:03
infinityLocutusOfBorg: Now it's one library and a bunch of stuff that depends on it.09:04
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tigervnc (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.7.0+dfsg-6ubuntu1 => 1.7.0+dfsg-7ubuntu1] (edubuntu)09:05
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted system-config-printer [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.5.7+20160812-0ubuntu9]09:09
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-gnome-meta [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.78]09:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tigervnc [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.7.0+dfsg-7ubuntu1]09:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted strongswan [source] (zesty-proposed) [5.5.1-1ubuntu3]09:14
infinityginggs: Did you need to do something with gearhead for that last minute fpc upload of yours?09:22
LocutusOfBorgta for tigervnc strongswan09:22
LocutusOfBorgwill make it smooth09:26
ginggsinfinity: i don't think we need any rebuild for fpc, everything is statically linked. did you pick up a problem?09:48
infinityginggs: NBS picked up a problem.  gearhead build-deps on an fpc-source version you're about to remove.09:50
ginggsinfinity: thanks, i'll look into that09:50
mapreriinfinity: fyi, the top of britney has a "Trying easy from adconrad.... Version mismatch ... Not using hint"09:53
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (zesty-proposed/universe) [17.04.2 => 17.04.3] (ubuntugnome)09:53
infinitymapreri: Yeah, that's harmless.  It's an old hint I haven't deleted.09:54
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gearhead (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.302-3 => 1.302-3ubuntu1] (no packageset)10:38
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gearhead [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.302-3ubuntu1]10:39
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.10.0-19.21~16.04.1]10:46
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpkg [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.10ubuntu2]10:48
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cluster-glue [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.12-5ubuntu2]10:48
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-gnome-default-settings [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.04.3]10:49
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpkg [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.18.4ubuntu1.2]10:56
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-117.164]10:56
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpkg [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.18.10ubuntu1.1]10:58
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-settings (zesty-proposed/universe) [17.04.6 => 17.04.7] (ubuntu-mate)11:25
ginggsinfinity: is forcing bad-test an option for r-bioc-annotationhub/2.6.4-1 ?  this is holding up many of the R packages.  i believe the current failure is also due to NCBI's FTP site reorganization, we already fixed debian bug #859864, but this looks like another.  i'm pretty sure  r-bioc-annotationhub/2.4.2-2 in zesty is affected too, so it's not a regression11:31
ubot5Debian bug 859864 in src:r-bioc-genomeinfodb "r-bioc-genomeinfodb: Reorganization of ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/all" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/85986411:31
ginggsrbalint ^11:31
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (zesty-proposed/main) [9.6ubuntu12 => 9.6ubuntu13] (core)11:31
infinityginggs: Can the test not be fixed?11:33
infinity(Or the code the test is calling)11:33
ginggsinfinity: i'll keep looking, but I don't know R from P or Q11:33
jbichaplease unblock ubuntu-gnome-meta, thanks11:34
infinityginggs: Well, the bug you referenced is fixed in a new upload...11:34
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:8.1.1-0ubuntu3]11:34
infinityjbicha: Will unblock when I redo all the metas after lunch.11:34
ginggsinfinity: yup, and i've sync'd that and re-run the tests, but there is still a failure (that appeared on the same date)11:35
infinityFun.11:35
infinityginggs: If you're positive it's not a regression from 2.4.2-2, yeah, we can badtest it for now.11:39
ginggsinfinity: how can i make 100% sure?11:40
infinityRun the same tests with the same triggers, except for the r-bioc-annotationhub versions, and compare?11:40
ginggsdo you mean on the ubuntu autopkgtest infra, or locally?11:42
ginggsinfinity: i think http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/r-bioc-annotationhub/zesty/amd64 confirms it - autopkgtests haven't passed since 2017-01-1611:44
infinityginggs: Except while I see 404s in the old tests, I see something very different in new tests?11:45
infinityginggs: And, indeed, the new failure seems specific to the migration being attempted.11:47
ginggsinfinity: yes, the 404 is gone, but it is the same test that still fails - FAILURE in test_tidyGRanges: Error in checkIdentical(setNames(rep(c(FALSE, TRUE), c(4, 1)), chr), GenomeInfoDb::isCircular(gr1)) :11:47
infinityOr maybe the underlying library just doesn't bubble up the 404s anymore.11:48
infinityWhich would be annoying.11:48
infinityMeh.  I'm going to run 2.4.2-2 with a self-trigger to be sure.11:48
ginggsinfinity: ok, thanks11:48
xnoxinfinity, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/no-more-upstart-dep/+merge/32228312:05
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (zesty-proposed/main) [2.20.4-0ubuntu3 => 2.20.4-0ubuntu4] (core)12:30
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-settings [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.04.7]12:31
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jbichaI'm rebuilding the GNOME iso's to verify the ubiquity theme fix12:39
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libphysfs (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.0.3-4 => 2.0.3-5] (no packageset) (sync)13:06
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libphysfs [sync] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.3-5]13:07
infinityjbicha: Kay.  There will be a mass rebuild later today, but that's fine.13:11
jbicharight, I just wanted to make sure that if there was a problem, I didn't wait until the last moment!13:14
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop amd64 [Zesty Final] has been updated (20170410)13:15
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop i386 [Zesty Final] has been updated (20170410)13:15
infinityjbicha: A noble goal.13:15
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: twisted (zesty-proposed/main) [16.6.0-2 => 16.6.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server) (sync)13:20
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: txzmq (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.7.4-1 => 0.7.4-1ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)13:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted txzmq [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.7.4-1ubuntu1]13:21
infinityjbicha: FYI, that chrome-gnome-shell oops looks fixed now.13:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libmatekbd (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.18.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.18.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin)13:29
infinityrbasak: Does anyone care that the ppc64el server ISO is 5MB over CD size?13:33
rbasakpowersj: ^13:34
infinityrbasak: He usually submits MPs to change the limit, I was asking if you wanted to change seeds to trim the size. :P13:35
rbasakI don't know. powersj may know better if we care :)13:36
infinityFair enough.13:36
rbasakOr jgrimm may also know if we care ^13:37
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-logs (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.24.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntugnome)13:37
* rbasak knows little about the ppc64el install process13:37
jgrimminfinity, rbasak yeah i was just starting to type13:37
jgrimmTL;DR we don't care13:37
infinityrbasak: Well, the "process" is the same as most places.  In that real sysadmins use netboot of some sort, but they *can* boot optical media too.13:38
infinityWe could fix this if IBM fixed their machines to love compressed kernels.13:38
infinity(The giant kernels are why it's always larger than x86)13:38
infinityjgrimm: Not caring works for me.13:39
jgrimmwe'll still 'monitor' for crazy growth that indicates something wildly has gone wrong, but no longer the specific size tied to CD media13:40
infinityjgrimm: Mmkay.13:42
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-meta (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.189 => 1.190] (ubuntu-mate)14:04
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-meta (zesty-proposed/main) [1.378 => 1.379] (core)14:05
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.212 => 2.213] (xubuntu)14:05
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-meta (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.167 => 0.168] (ubuntustudio)14:05
infinityseb128: Langpacks?14:07
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-meta [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.190]14:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.379]14:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-meta [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.168]14:14
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected twisted [sync] (zesty-proposed) [16.6.0-2ubuntu1]14:15
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xubuntu-meta [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.213]14:15
apwinfinity, you want that command-not-found "reviewed" ?14:18
infinityapw: Please.14:18
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-panel [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.1-0ubuntu2]14:18
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: twisted (zesty-proposed/main) [16.6.0-2 => 16.6.0-2ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)14:19
LaneyReview each line explicitly please14:19
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-logs [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.1-0ubuntu1]14:20
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libmatekbd [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.2-0ubuntu1]14:20
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted twisted [source] (zesty-proposed) [16.6.0-2ubuntu1]14:22
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted command-not-found [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.3ubuntu17.04.2]14:26
infinityapw: Did you read every line of that diff?14:27
infinityapw: I have my doubts.14:27
apwinfinity, i grepped out the -powerpc, the ripped the 'same lines' diff from movement, and eyeballed the rest14:28
apwit seemed sane14:28
apwsome movement to univere, some commands dropped and some added in line with waht i expected14:29
apw(plus i started before i offered :))14:30
apwbut, i may have not read every line as well as Laney would have14:30
infinityapw: We're just messing with you. :P14:31
apwinfinity, :)14:32
apwinfinity,14:32
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Netboot amd64 [Zesty Final] (20101020ubuntu504) has been added14:40
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Netboot s390x [Zesty Final] (20101020ubuntu504) has been added14:41
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (zesty-proposed/main) [123 => 124] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)14:59
infinitycyphermox: Did the s/Muon Discover/Discover/ change not suffer the same msgid invalidation problem?15:07
cyphermoxam I not Derpy McDerpface?15:07
infinityYou might be.  Are you?15:08
cyphermoxlooks that way15:08
cyphermoxderpty derp .15:08
infinityShall I reject?15:08
cyphermoxyeah, I'll go touch it again15:08
cyphermoxright after the DMB meeting15:08
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (zesty-proposed) [124]15:09
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (zesty-proposed/main) [123 => 124] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)16:25
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [source] (zesty-proposed) [124]16:39
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: wxpython3.0 (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.0.2.0+dfsg-3 => 3.0.2.0+dfsg-3ubuntu1] (edubuntu)16:40
apw^ that really ought to have a bug# so it can be an SRU16:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted wxpython3.0 [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.0.2.0+dfsg-3ubuntu1]16:58
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: poedit (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.0-1~exp1 => 2.0.1-1~exp1~build1] (no packageset)17:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted poedit [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.1-1~exp1~build1]17:22
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gui-ufw (zesty-proposed/universe) [17.04.1-1 => 17.04.1-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)17:23
LocutusOfBorgapw, you right :) unfortunately this has been an omygodkitten issue, so I did it quick17:36
LocutusOfBorganyhow, a bug report is on Debian BTS now https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=86004317:36
ubot5Debian bug 860043 in src:wxpython3.0 "" [Important,Open]17:36
LocutusOfBorg(I read irclogs when possible, don't rely on it :) )17:37
* LocutusOfBorg leaves, he is on train17:38
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (zesty-proposed/universe) [137-3 => 138-1] (no packageset) (sync)19:17
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [sync] (zesty-proposed) [138-1]19:17
xnoxmy laptop did something really weird19:37
xnoxext4 started to detect journal errors and filesystem got remounted readonly19:37
xnoxand from that point onwards I am enable to run df or gain root via sudo19:37
xnoxall results in input/output errors19:37
xnoxrebooting now.....19:37
xnoxhowever, this is quite old kernel, not 4.10 =/19:38
Bashing-omxnox: Off topic for this channel . Suggest ya seek support in your OS channel .19:43
* ogra_ lols19:47
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ms-gsl (zesty-proposed/primary) [0~git20170403.ebab8ca-1]19:51
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock (zesty-proposed/universe) [57-1 => 57-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)20:11
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock [source] (zesty-proposed) [57-1ubuntu1]20:12
slangasekinfinity, seb128: based on conversation with cyphermox, I understand that at least part of why we get so many bug reports on shim-signed related to debconf prompts not happening is that the gnome frontend is still broken by default due to missing libgtk2-perl.  This is not an opportune time to discover this vs. release, but the problem affects older releases also and will need SRUed. opinions on20:15
slangasekseeding libgtk2-perl onto ubuntu-desktop for 17.04?20:15
slangasekinfinity, seb128: this makes a difference in the UX of installing dkms packages (nvidia) from the liveCD, so seems worth pushing in20:15
cyphermoxassuming we get another respin, seems like a relatively easy and safe fix?20:16
slangasekI'm not asking about including it opportunistically, I'm asking about committing to a respin for this issue20:18
seb128slangasek, no objection in principle from me, did anyone check if that would pull in other things as well? (we still have gtk2 on the iso so that's ok)20:18
slangasekDepends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.18.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), perl (>= 5.22.2-1), perlapi-5.22.2, libcairo-perl, libglib-perl (>= 3:1.280), libpango-perl, shared-mime-info20:18
cyphermoxslangasek: I understand that, what I'm saying is it's a moot point if we already are going to respin. my opinion in this case isn't gospel, but I'd respin20:19
seb128so basically that gtk-perl bindings stack, which is probably small enough20:19
seb128I don't have data to know if that's worth a respin though, so letting that decision to others20:20
seb128installing nvidia drivers in a live session doesn't seem an important usecase to me at least20:21
slangasekisn't the common case that if you're going to install nvidia drivers, you do it during the install?20:21
slangasekthinking further, maybe this should be a dep of ubuntu-software instead of directly seeded20:24
dmj_s76When upgrading from 16.10 to 17.04 the nvidia dkms modules don't get rebuilt.20:25
slangasekthat impacts ubuntukylin (and would impact edubuntu)20:25
slangasekdmj_s76: have you filed a bug report with upgrade logs?20:26
dmj_s76slangasek: Not yet, we just identified this now.20:27
slangasekok20:27
seb128I don't have nvidia hardware so I don't know how the installer is dealing with those, I know you can enable them from software-properties on an installed system though20:27
dmj_s76The end result is that there are dkms modules for 4.8 but not 4.10 installed.20:27
seb128cyphermox, ^ do you know what the installer is doing?20:27
cyphermoxseb128: afaik it's running ubuntu-drivers uninteractively, to get the list of packages to install towards the end of the install process20:29
cyphermox(when you click "Install third-party drivers"20:29
seb128so what wouldn't work without libgtk2-perl?20:29
slangasekseb128: installing nvidia drivers through the gui on a machine that has SecureBoot enabled will blow up20:29
cyphermoxbut the installer is "special" in that if you can fallback to Dialog if necessary (given that you have a shell window under the slideshow) and possibly a bit more is done to go uninteractively.20:30
slangasekfalling back to Dialog is horrendous20:30
seb128slangasek, k, that seems worth a respin indeed20:30
cyphermox(and furthermore, the default if secure boot is detected is to try to convince the user to set a password for mokutil)20:30
slangasekif it falls back to dialog, it won't crash on install20:30
cyphermoxslangasek: I have never seen an install fallback to anything20:31
seb128so that issue is in the LTS and nobody investigated until now?20:31
cyphermoxI think in that case it runs uninteractive20:31
jackpot51cyphermox: We are talking about `update-manager`, not the installer20:31
dmj_s76slangasek: Are you guys talking about a separate nvidia issue here?20:31
slangasekseb128: it's a new consequence of the changes to enforce kernel module signing in the secureboot policy20:31
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (zesty-proposed/main) [3.22.7-0ubuntu2 => 3.22.7-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)20:31
jackpot51cyphermox: `nvidia-375` is installed, then `update-manager -d`, then after reboot the nvidia driver does not load20:32
seb128slangasek, ok, thanks for the details, so yeah +1 from me to respin with libgtk2-perl20:32
slangasekcyphermox, seb128: ok, I forgot that this is integrated in ubiquity itself, which means the installer doesn't depend on the debconf gnome frontend for prompting... so now it seems to me maybe we /don't/ need it in 17.04 images20:32
cyphermoxjackpot51: seb128 asked with the words "installer"20:32
slangasekjackpot51, dmj_s76: you've joined a conversation already in progress that has nothing to do with the upgrade bug you're talking about20:33
jackpot51ok20:33
dmj_s76ah, okay...now that makes sense20:33
cyphermoxslangasek: why? isn't it still needed that drivers recommends libgtk2-perl or something?20:34
slangasekcyphermox: why is that not SRUable?20:36
Bashing-omseb128: Ya need a ginny pig ? I do have a 17.04 install on a nVidia GT710 card running the nouveau driver . I could reboot and see what results in installing the proprietary driver .20:36
cyphermoxslangasek: oh, it most definitely is; it's just going to be ugly for the installs without network that can't get updates20:36
slangasekcyphermox: if that debconf prompt is not used in the installer path, even for 'install third-party drivers', it seems a post-release update is fine20:36
cyphermoxI don't think there are very many network drivers depending on dkms20:37
seb128Bashing-om, thanks, unsure if that's needed, seems people have a good understanding of the problem and when it's an issue20:37
slangasekcyphermox: right, I think the practical impact of that is nil20:37
cyphermoxslangasek: I think we'll get in a state where the system is installable for most cases; but maybe not all that usable20:38
cyphermoxyes, it's a very small portion of users20:38
cyphermoxonly r8168-dkms comes to mind, assuming that's still relevant.20:38
Bashing-omseb128: K; I do little enough to help .. So I help where I can :)20:38
cyphermoxslangasek: that *might* impact willcooke, if I remember well; could be worth asking him how he does his installs.20:39
cyphermox(so we know if we're completely forgetting something important)20:39
slangasekcyphermox: ah - I assumed the set of dkms network drivers in the archive was zero.  If it's not, I think that's sufficient justification for a respin20:43
cyphermoxit's definitely non-zero20:44
cyphermoxI see rtl8812au-dkms too which I don't particularly care about, but I have hardware that requires it20:44
cyphermoxit's some wireless dongle20:44
cyphermoxoh, and broadcom-sta-dkms20:45
cyphermoxI think it will need to be there; STA used to be required for quite a bunch of people.20:46
slangasekso, if I fix this properly, it's a new Recommends: on gnome-software; that impacts lubuntu, ubuntustudio, ubuntukylin, ubuntu-budgie, xubuntu in addition to ubuntu20:50
cyphermoxon gnome-software?20:51
slangasekyes20:51
cyphermoxseems odd; but ok20:51
slangasekubuntu-software is just a thin layer around gnome-software, it's gnome-software that has the dep on aptdaemon20:51
jbichaslangasek: gnome-software isn't the right place, maybe software-properties-common?20:52
cyphermoxI don't think we're talking about the same thing20:52
jbichaI don't believe gnome-software supports debconf20:52
slangasekjbicha: gnome-software depends on aptdaemon without providing it a frontend20:53
cyphermoxit shouldn't have to20:53
slangasekjbicha: this isn't an aptdaemon bug, because aptdaemon doesn't know /which/ gui toolkit frontend you want; that's a property of whatever depends on aptdaemon20:53
jbichasoftware-properties-gtk also depends on aptdaemon20:53
slangasekyes, and that package should *also* Recommends: libgtk2-perl20:54
cyphermoxjbicha: gnome-software still probably ought to pull the package in, because you *might* install some dkms package from there.20:54
jbichabecause I'm pretty sure that you can't install NVIDIA drivers using gnome-software/zesty but you can with software-properties-gtk20:55
slangasekthis problem is not limited to software-properties-gtk20:55
slangasekjbicha: LP: #167943520:55
ubot5Launchpad bug 1679435 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "installing dkms package from software-center, no debconf frontend: package shim-signed 1.27~16.10.1+0.9+1474479173.6c180c6-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/167943520:55
slangasekshould fix the title though, since it's not actually "software center" being used :P20:55
cyphermoxslangasek: what of things that use packagekit instead? do we care?20:56
cyphermoxuh-oh, frozen20:56
slangasekcyphermox: which are those?20:56
jbichaI think we're miscommunicating there; I don't think anything available in gnome-software uses dkms and I don't believe gnome-software supports debconf at all20:56
cyphermoxslangasek: I'm not sure, I thought there was20:56
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-software [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.22.7-0ubuntu3]20:58
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (zesty-proposed/main) [3.22.7-0ubuntu2 => 3.22.7-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)20:58
cyphermoxslangasek: jbicha seems to have a point; it doesn't look like you can pick a dkms package to install via Software.21:01
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cyphermoxmaybe I'm doing this wrong though; but quick searches when it does work don't turn up anything useful; I tried "dkms", "broadcom", "driver"...21:02
slangasekcyphermox, jbicha: virtualbox. QED21:02
slangasekas detailed in the bug I linked21:02
cyphermoxoh, of course.21:02
jbichaok, but my second concern is whether gnome-software supports debconf21:03
cyphermoxjbicha: it doesn't have to21:03
slangasekI don't know what you think that means21:03
slangasekit is inexcusable for a frontend for installing Debian packages to NOT support debconf21:03
jbichaplease file a bug then21:04
infinity"suporting debconf" is probably just a question of having libgtk-perl installed.21:04
slangasekto be clear, you're right that gnome-software doesn't install drivers and therefore it's not release-critical to fix gnome-software for 17.04.  But if we're respinning anyway we could as well fix both21:04
infinityMaybe.21:04
jbichaI had this problem when working on the steam/zesty package where I had to drop the mandatory debconf question21:04
slangasekjbicha: like the one I linked to above already?21:04
slangasekinfinity: yes, that's basically how I'm solving it (one package in queue, another in progress now)21:05
infinityslangasek: Mmkay.21:06
slangasekinfinity: so you had respins planned anyway? cool21:07
infinityslangasek: Yeah.  Was waiting for all the unblocks in the stack to wind through, final langpacks seb gave us earlier today, etc.21:07
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-software [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.22.7-0ubuntu3]21:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gui-ufw [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.04.1-1ubuntu1]21:10
slangasekinfinity: software-properties also uploaded21:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (zesty-proposed/main) [0.96.24.11 => 0.96.24.12] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)21:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted content-hub [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.3+17.04.20170403-0ubuntu1]21:14
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted epiphany-browser [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.1-0ubuntu1]21:15
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.96.24.12]21:15
cyphermoxslangasek: the gnome-software change makes sense, but did it work for you?21:15
cyphermoxbecause http://imgur.com/a/6qqkP21:15
cyphermoxdisregard the "Secure Boot not enabled" message, I hacked the script to run anyway -- this is because my desktop does EFI but not Secure Boot.21:16
jbichayes, that's similar to what I saw with steam21:16
slangasekwell21:16
slangasekyeah, perhaps there are other problems here21:17
cyphermox(but that's a bug in gnome-software anyway)21:17
slangasekand no, I didn't actually test it21:17
slangasekhow is it a bug in gnome-software?21:17
cyphermoxnot properly setting a frontend?21:17
cyphermox(or running non-interactively here)21:18
jbichato me, it's unclear whether gnome-software not supporting debconf is a design decision or a bug21:18
infinityDesign decisions can also be bugs.21:18
infinityAnyhow, I'm going to let you guys sort this out for a bit, I'll be back in 1.5 hours or so to see the state of proposed and start respins once I massage it to how I like before bed.21:19
cyphermoxprobably more an oversight, because most developers working on Software are probably more used to RPM distros, I suppose.21:19
infinityslangasek: Feel free to self-accept followups, so long as you get a positive review from someone sane.21:19
cyphermoxbut I'm just guessing, I have no idea21:19
LaneyI think you can call setDebconfFrontend or something on aptdaemon transactions21:20
jbichais it mandatory to show debconf prompts? or is the bug in the package that won't install completely without answering a debconf question?21:20
LaneyFYI21:20
slangasekinfinity: check.  if we miss the 1.5 window, feel free to throw the respin list to me21:20
slangasekLaney: any chance you can point me to an example?21:20
cyphermoxjbicha: any software may ask debconf questions; for things it needs to know to properly install -- for instance MAAS will ask you for some details about your setup21:21
slangasekLaney: n/m, I should obviously be looking at update-manager21:21
slangasekLaney: thanks21:21
slangasek        yield trans.set_debconf_frontend("gnome")21:21
jbichacyphermox: right, but does it cause problems if it doesn't get an answer?21:24
LaneyNFI if that makes aptdaemon magically work or not though21:24
jbichaI tried looking through Debian Policy earlier about this issue, but I couldn't find a clear guideline21:25
slangasekcyphermox, Laney: software-properties reuploaded, setting the debconf frontend; anyone have a good way to test this?21:26
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (zesty-proposed/main) [0.96.24.12 => 0.96.24.13] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)21:26
cyphermoxjbicha: you might get exactly what you saw before with update-secureboot-policy, crash or other kind of failure because it's non-interactive, or it might work because of sensible defaults, priority, etc.21:27
cyphermoxslangasek: nvidia?21:27
cyphermoxI'm not sure I still have hardware to test that21:27
slangasekcyphermox: yes, I don't either; only nvidia box here is non-UEFI, that's why I was talking earlier about putting together a test case21:29
jbichaslangasek: isn't installing VBox the test case on a clean UEFI install?21:30
cyphermoxyeah, I figured21:30
cyphermoxjbicha: that won't allow you to test software-properties, it only knows about modaliases21:30
slangasekjbicha: for gnome-software, but not for software-properties - check21:30
jbichaok21:30
slangasekso I'm going to work up a test ppa for all of this21:30
cyphermoxslangasek: short of uploading a fake driver that does dkms, that could be recognized by software-properties, I can't think of a way21:31
slangasekin the meantime, if someone could test that software-properties still DTRT on a *non* UEFI box, that would be good21:31
cyphermoxfortunately, that fake driver part is not too hard21:31
slangasekbecause I made that code change totally blind21:31
cyphermoxyeah21:31
slangasekcyphermox: do you have anything you can test on for the non-SB case?21:31
cyphermoxmaybe, need to go upstairs look at my wife's machine21:32
tsimonq2infinity: When we have the new codename, I call dibs on creating all the new wiki pages (like I've done for the past 3 or 4 releases :P).21:35
slangasekdmj_s76, jackpot51: is there a bug w/ logs yet for the nvidia dkms upgrade issue?21:36
jackpot51Yep, come to #ubuntu-devel to see21:36
slangasekok; if another dev is working it now, I don't need to get in the middle :)21:36
jackpot51https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/168156621:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1681566 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "nvidia-375 DKMS module not recompiled on upgrade to 17.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:36
jackpot51Still, we could use more help21:37
jackpot51bdmurray is helping out21:37
bdmurrayyeah, cause I'm not to sure what is up21:38
bdmurrayslangasek: or because I'm reviewing cloud-init. ;-)21:38
slangasekyeah, but I'm head-down on a bugfix we're trying to land in the 17.04 image, which takes precedence over an upgrade issue21:39
bdmurrayokay21:39
dmj_s76infinity: any ideas?21:42
tsimonq2Release team: any chance the Lubuntu team could get some help with bug 1681178? Is it just adding something to the seed, or is it more complex?21:45
ubot5bug 1681178 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "The alternate installer does not install man" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168117821:46
rbalint ginggs: i wrote a simple python script for generating autopkgtest rerun links: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24356986/21:46
rbalintginggs: this is current output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24357014/21:47
rbalintginggs: could you please trigger those?21:47
cyphermoxslangasek: yeah, I have a system that can probably test this21:48
tsimonq2cyphermox: Do you think we should be concerned about this? https://pad.lv/166745321:53
ubot5Launchpad bug 1667453 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Zesty ubiquity welcome dialog not shown" [Undecided,New]21:53
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-terminal (zesty-proposed/main) [3.20.2-1ubuntu7 => 3.20.2-1ubuntu8] (ubuntu-desktop)21:56
cyphermoxtsimonq2: I don't know from that bug21:56
cyphermoxI'll sync the world to my system and test this after dinner21:56
bdmurraycyphermox: which "this"?21:57
cyphermoxbdmurray: tsimonq2's21:57
tsimonq2cyphermox: Thank you. :)22:03
bdmurraysmoser: Is the change in bug 1665773 necessary if bug 1665694 is fixed?22:08
ubot5bug 1665773 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Xenial) "wrong configuration example for cc_set_passwords module" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166577322:08
ubot5bug 1665694 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Yakkety) "cc_set_passwords fails to change passwords specified as chpasswd['list'] in cloud-config" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166569422:08
bdmurrayAs I understand it either a list (the way it was supposed to be) or a string will work now and the docs are switching from string to list, while list was the original intent. So it seems strange to me to "fix" the docs.22:15
bdmurrayGiven that the documentation isn't wrong I'll let it in.22:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (yakkety-proposed) [0.7.9-90-g61eb03fe-0ubuntu1~16.10.1]22:22
tsimonq2bdmurray: Re: bug 1674796, what do you think the fix might be?22:25
ubot5bug 1674796 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "After alternate install two network applets show up" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/167479622:25
tsimonq2bdmurray: Any clue what the problem is internally?22:25
bdmurraytsimonq2: I don't know, sorry22:25
* cyphermox -> dinner, bbl22:26
fossfreedomtsimonq2: in lubuntu do you run both a X11 system tray and an appindicator  in the panel ?22:28
slangasekok what am I doing wrong here?22:29
slangasekdb_fget "$question" seen22:29
slangasekif [ "$RET" = false ]; then22:29
slangasek[...]22:29
slangasekbecause I am certainly seeing the question immediately before this22:29
slangasekn/m, still not sure why it didn't work but found a workaround22:33
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.9-90-g61eb03fe-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]22:46
tsimonq2fossfreedom: I'm not 100% sure...22:48
fossfreedomtsimonq2: the reason for the question is that on Ubuntu Budgie we saw the same thing - sometime double network icons - the network-manager applet gets confused between appindicators and the system tray and shows two icons22:49
fossfreedomin the end I just coded around it - hid the network-manager appindicator version in our appindicator applet implementation22:50
fossfreedomanyway - may not be your issue - but just putting that bit of info out there.22:51
tsimonq2Ah ok :)23:03
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dovecot (zesty-proposed/main) [1:2.2.27-2ubuntu1 => 1:2.2.27-2ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)23:12
slangasekhmm, well, I have an affirmative test of a debconf prompt through software-properties now (so, accepting); but my negative test passes even when libgtk2-perl is not installed23:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.96.24.13]23:21
slangasekbecause debconf says "sure, I'm going to display that question, trust me"23:22
infinitytsimonq2: That "doesn't install man" bug is because your ISO's preseed doesn't include standard.23:44
infinitytsimonq2: I can fix that, but you'll also get recommends, which you hate :P23:45
infinity(Which might be why it wasn't done?)23:45
tsimonq2infinity: Didn't we talk about this a while back but somebody was supposed to do something? Rings a bell but isn't clear...23:45
infinitytsimonq2: It's hardly a new bug, though.23:45
tsimonq2infinity: Why does including the standard task bring in everything?23:46
tsimonq2infinity: And weren't we supposed to follow up the other week re: opening floodgates by bringing in all recommends?23:47
infinitytsimonq2: It's doesn't bring in "everything", it brings in all of the standard task.23:47
infinitytsimonq2: Which, if you look at "ubuntu-standard" is half recommends.23:47
infinityOh.23:48
tsimonq2Oh?23:48
infinityBut your livefses already install the whole task.23:48
infinityNot the package minus recommends.23:48
infinitySo, meh.23:48
tsimonq2But we're talking Alternate, here, I think.23:48
infinityYes.23:48
infinityI'm comparing behaviour.23:49
* cyphermox -> back23:49
tsimonq2cyphermox: \o/23:49
tsimonq2cyphermox: Welcome back. :)23:49
cyphermoxhey, I'm in a good mood, I have a Mille-feuille to boot :)23:51
tsimonq2infinity: Like I said, I think we had this discussion at one point and afaicr it led into "let's get alternate out of here" sooo :P23:51
tsimonq2cyphermox: :D23:51
infinitytsimonq2: Well, committed a fix anyway.23:53
tsimonq2infinity: Got a link? "fix" is kinda generic...23:54
tsimonq2infinity: Also, does this need a respin?23:54
infinitytsimonq2: The world is respinning shortly anyway.23:58
wxloh noes23:58
infinitytsimonq2: And the link will be in the bug when the branch is mirror to the public copy.23:59
infinitywxl: "Oh noes"?  It's Monday. :P23:59
tsimonq2infinity: Oh, more last-minute low-level kernel thingies? :P23:59
infinitytsimonq2: No.23:59
infinityslangasek: How did your battle go?23:59
tsimonq2infinity: I was joking, but ok. :)23:59

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