| allison[m] | good morning, desktoppers, and happy tuesday | 07:58 |
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| Laney | hey | 08:00 |
| Laney | hi allison[m] | 08:00 |
| allison[m] | hey laney | 08:00 |
| Laney | sup | 08:00 |
| didrocks | hey allison[m], Laney | 08:00 |
| allison[m] | not a lot. eating breakfast, and enjoying a coffee | 08:00 |
| allison[m] | mascha is working from home today | 08:00 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 08:00 |
| seb128 | good morning Laney allison[m] didrocks | 08:01 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:01 |
| allison[m] | hi seb128 :) | 08:01 |
| Laney | how's it going | 08:01 |
| allison[m] | mmm. nice greasy breakfast always helps with the hangover :) | 08:02 |
| allison[m] | now, you might ask why i was hungover... as if i was drinking quite a lot on a monday night, in a seemingly irresponsible way | 08:02 |
| allison[m] | but there is a simple answer for why: | 08:02 |
| allison[m] | because i can :) | 08:02 |
| Laney | meow | 08:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, could have done with drinking some beers in London with you yesterday :-/ | 08:04 |
| didrocks | yeah, I only went with sparkling wine… | 08:05 |
| Laney | seb128: indeed | 08:05 |
| Laney | didrocks: we usually have that for celebrations :P | 08:05 |
| allison[m] | ← kölsch, of course | 08:05 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning Laney seb128 allison[m] didrocks | 08:05 |
| allison[m] | flexiondotorg: hey :) | 08:06 |
| didrocks | morning flexiondotorg | 08:06 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg | 08:06 |
| allison[m] | so uh | 08:09 |
| allison[m] | meeting today? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | no | 08:10 |
| seb128 | cf emails from willcooke yesterday morning | 08:10 |
| seb128 | the "week commencing ..." one | 08:11 |
| allison[m] | ah. too bad. | 08:11 |
| seb128 | yeah :-/ | 08:11 |
| allison[m] | might have been a nice exercise... | 08:12 |
| allison[m] | we can do it anyway :) | 08:12 |
| seb128 | we can still do an informal hangout or such if some want | 08:12 |
| allison[m] | i think i'm going to go for a walk today :) | 08:12 |
| Laney | allison gump | 08:13 |
| seb128 | how is the weather? | 08:13 |
| allison[m] | overcast, but supposed to clear up | 08:13 |
| seb128 | it's less nice that on sunday here but still decent | 08:13 |
| seb128 | w.e is going to be grey/rainy though :-/ | 08:13 |
| allison[m] | "...and that's what I did. I walked clear across the federal state of Germany. For no particular reason. And when I got to Poland, I figured, since I'd gone this far, I might as well just keep on going..." | 08:15 |
| seb128 | they hello to robert_ancell from me when you get there | 08:16 |
| allison[m] | :) | 08:16 |
| seb128 | you don't mind a bit of swimming right? ;-) | 08:16 |
| allison[m] | the forrest formula says that i need to turn around if i hit an ocean | 08:16 |
| andyrock | morning | 08:21 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock, how are you? | 08:29 |
| andyrock | seb128: with a bit of cold but nothing that serious, what about you? | 08:30 |
| seb128 | andyrock, bit of headache but ok otherwise I think | 08:30 |
| seb128 | not an happy week still though | 08:31 |
| flexiondotorg | Monring andyrock | 08:31 |
| andyrock | morning flexiondotorg | 08:31 |
| andyrock | seb128: :( | 08:31 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Looks like you didn't pick the latest langpack tarball yesterday, after all. | 09:06 |
| seb128 | waaat? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I so did | 09:07 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: The package name includes 20170404. | 09:07 |
| seb128 | see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/315159105/language-pack-de-base_1%3A17.04+20170321_1%3A17.04+20170404.diff.gz | 09:08 |
| seb128 | +"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2017-04-04 13:01+0000\n" | 09:08 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: The latest is from April 7. | 09:09 |
| seb128 | hum, dunno what happened then :-/ | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I'm not familiar enough with those jobs | 09:09 |
| seb128 | we either ask the release team if we can do another round today | 09:09 |
| seb128 | or just declare that it's fine and deal with the extra translations as a SRU | 09:10 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Let's go for the latter. Probably the difference is minimal. | 09:10 |
| seb128 | yeah it's likely | 09:10 |
| seb128 | sorry about that | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I'm familiar with most of the process now so we do better next cycle | 09:10 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Maybe you should change "Language pack base" at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+language-packs to the one you picked. That way I think the system will generate delta packages going forward. | 09:13 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, done | 09:13 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok, guess we are done with langpacks for this cycle then. :) | 09:14 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yeah, sorry that it was such a bumpy road, took me some time to get familiar with the tools/setup and we had some waiting from the launchpad side as well | 09:15 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, thanks for the perseverance and all the naging ;-) | 09:15 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: np | 09:18 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Wouldn't it be a good idea that somebody else got familiar with those tools? Previously it was only Martin, now it's only you. Somebody who could serve as a backup would be good IMO. | 09:21 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yes, that's needed, I plan to tide up a bit and write down what I learnt and do some introduction to others, maybe you & L_aney | 09:27 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Sounds good. | 09:28 |
| seb128 | great | 09:29 |
| darkxst | hey seb128, GunnarHj | 09:48 |
| GunnarHj | Hi darkxst! ( I thought you were going to say something more. :) ) | 10:08 |
| Mirv | bye bye everyone, I'll stay on #ubuntu-devel though | 10:16 |
| * Laney hugs Mirv | 10:17 | |
| sil2100 | Mirv: hope we'll still see you around doing Qt uploads! | 10:17 |
| * Mirv hugs Laney | 10:18 | |
| Mirv | sil2100: ahh! well I do like that, but I think I could use a break from that still ;) especially as new things will probably start to occupy my time, and Qt is not easy or fast. | 10:18 |
| * didrocks hugs Mirv too | 10:19 | |
| * sil2100 hugs Mirv | 10:19 | |
| * Mirv hugs everyone | 10:20 | |
| greyback | :( | 10:40 |
| jbicha | good morning | 11:46 |
| seb128 | hey jbicha | 11:54 |
| darkxst | GunnarHj, still tacking shit internet here, but I will try sort out lang pack stuff over the eater weekend | 12:20 |
| GunnarHj | darkxst: I have been away for a while... What is it that remains to be sorted out? | 12:21 |
| darkxst | GunnarHj, some sort of what-provides locale support in aptcc | 12:23 |
| darkxst | I realise its incredibly late in the cycles to be doing this kind of stuff | 12:24 |
| GunnarHj | darkxst: ok | 12:25 |
| jbicha | it's just early for the next cycle :) | 12:26 |
| darkxst | jbicha, sure, bit beyond what would normally be accepted for SRU though | 12:26 |
| darkxst | but is a pretty major bug that shouldnt affect/overlap with other flavours | 12:27 |
| jbicha | the bad part is PK is shipped by all flavors but we'll just have to see what it looks like | 12:28 |
| jbicha | darkxst: did you see LP: #1673453 it's an interesting idea; but I don't know if we'd actually do it or not | 12:30 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1673453 in Ubuntu GNOME "Use gnome-initial-setup to replace 2nd half of ubiquity" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673453 | 12:30 |
| darkxst | jbicha, but no one else uses what-provides "locale" | 12:30 |
| jbicha | right | 12:31 |
| darkxst | jbicha, that will break the OEM preseed stuff | 12:33 |
| darkxst | which atleast vmware uses | 12:34 |
| darkxst | not sure if there are other OEM's installing UBuntu GNOME on hardware | 12:34 |
| jbicha | well System76 obviously will be: http://ryanleesipes.me/return-home-to-gnome/ | 12:35 |
| jbicha | oh I thought we were in #ubuntu-gnome but ok | 12:38 |
| darkxst | jbicha, in the new future, a transition to gnome-initial-setup would make sense, but how does work without breaking all the preseed stuff? | 12:41 |
| seb128 | jbicha, you call "Ubuntu GNOME" the flavor or Ubuntu with GNOME as a desktop here? | 12:43 |
| jbicha | could you rephrase that? | 12:44 |
| seb128 | jbicha, you say system76 is going to install "Ubuntu GNOME", do you mean instead of Ubuntu? | 12:45 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure I parsed correctly what you said | 12:45 |
| seb128 | nor that I understood that from the blog you mentioned | 12:45 |
| jbicha | seb128: my understanding is that system76 is looking at shipping Ubuntu 17.10 | 12:46 |
| seb128 | k | 12:46 |
| seb128 | but Tim was asking about Ubuntu GNOME no? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | that's a bit of confusing now if both ship the same desktop :p | 12:46 |
| willcooke | I think they were just saying that they're looking forward to shipping GNOME instead of Unity | 12:47 |
| jbicha | seb128: right, it's confusing, Ubuntu GNOME will be putting out an announcement this week | 12:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, that was my understanding too | 12:47 |
| seb128 | anyway to go to the topic | 12:47 |
| seb128 | we didn't discuss using gnome-initial-setup yet for Ubuntu | 12:47 |
| seb128 | we might stick to ubiquity with oem mode | 12:47 |
| darkxst | seb128, no, I was saying switching to gnome-initial-setup will break preseed | 12:47 |
| jbicha | but, basically there does not look like there's a need for a separate Ubuntu GNOME after 17.04 | 12:47 |
| seb128 | right | 12:48 |
| seb128 | I just want to point that some of the tech choices are still to be discussed | 12:48 |
| jbicha | yes, of course | 12:48 |
| seb128 | like ubiquity-oem-mode vs gnome-initial-setup | 12:48 |
| jbicha | I thought it would be interesting if dar_kxst experiment with trying out gnome-initial-setup's New User mode | 12:48 |
| seb128 | right | 12:49 |
| seb128 | I was mostly replying to your "system76 will use it" | 12:49 |
| jbicha | but Ubuntu has so much work in the next 12 months that it doesn't look like something we'll be ready for before 18.04 LTS | 12:49 |
| seb128 | which they might not if we don't pick it for Ubuntu Desktop and that's what they stick to | 12:49 |
| seb128 | anyway, lot of things to look forward working together ;-) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | we should have some meetings at the start of next cycles | 12:50 |
| seb128 | cycle | 12:50 |
| jbicha | yes, lots of big and small decisions to make | 12:51 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes definately or sooner | 12:51 |
| seb128 | not sooner I think | 12:51 |
| seb128 | need to get zesty out this week | 12:52 |
| seb128 | and some people are being laid off as we talk | 12:52 |
| seb128 | so it's not exactly the perfect timing | 12:52 |
| jbicha | yes, it's a rough week :( | 12:52 |
| GunnarHj | Will there be a 17.10? Things might be easier to handle without it... | 12:52 |
| darkxst | seb128, I am well aware of both those things | 12:52 |
| darkxst | but have you noticed how much speculation is floating around the interwebs? | 12:54 |
| Laney | we're not in a position to address things | 12:56 |
| Laney | sorry to the interwebs | 12:56 |
| GunnarHj | darkxst: As regards bug #1631750, Ubuntu Budgie is also affected, but I think the decided to seed language-selector-gnome as a workaround. But yes, it's an ugly bug. | 13:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1631750 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Language installation doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Settings app" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631750 | 13:02 |
| darkxst | well let us know when you are ready! of we can somehow swing a meeting with most of UBuntu GNOME and UBuntu Desktop and sadbfl to iron out the details | 13:03 |
| jbicha | yes, Budgie 17.04 includes language-selector-gnome | 13:03 |
| Laney | darkxst: sure, there's just way too much stuff going on right now | 13:05 |
| Laney | a little bit of understanding/patience please | 13:05 |
| Laney | :) | 13:08 |
| darkxst | Laney we could have had plenty of time to sort this out before it went public, but no it happened in reverse | 13:12 |
| Laney | Dude :/ | 13:13 |
| darkxst | sorry, wasnt aware how it happened at your end | 13:14 |
| Laney | nm | 13:20 |
| xnox | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ukui-session-manager/+bug/1681848 | 13:37 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1681848 in ukui-session-manager (Ubuntu) "Qt4 themes are not integrated due to missing environment variable" [Undecided,New] | 13:37 |
| xnox | i hope kylin devs monitor those bugs | 13:37 |
| jbicha | xnox: you can also ask in #ubuntukylin-devel | 13:38 |
| cyphermox | xnox: pretty sure they do, I thought I discussed that before with $someone | 13:40 |
| xnox | ah, cool. | 13:42 |
| xnox | well still there in 17.04 iso testing | 13:42 |
| a1fa | hello.. what are the default Unity synclient settings for Palm detection? | 14:48 |
| a1fa | synclient | grep Palm | 14:48 |
| a1fa | anyone? | 15:08 |
| qengho | a1fa: PalmDetect = 1 | 15:15 |
| a1fa | qengho: how about width | 15:26 |
| a1fa | and Z | 15:26 |
| qengho | a1fa: MinWidth 10, MinZ 200 | 15:27 |
| a1fa | thank you | 15:27 |
| a1fa | thats what i have as well and its not working well :( | 15:28 |
| qengho | a1fa: I have noticed some xinput wonkiness in the last week or so. Palm detection, edge scrolling, and tap all in states that were different and unwanted. | 15:34 |
| b4n | Trevinho: I'm trying to build unity on Ubuntu 17.04 to test some stuff, but I get a build failure with a simple dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc: error: variable 'it' set but not used. No custom CFLAGS nowhere | 15:34 |
| b4n | Trevinho: BTW, I tried to do the same a few weeks (days?) ago, and it built fine then, but a few tests failed | 15:34 |
| qengho | I set "Synaptics Palm Detection" 1 /// "Synaptics Edge Scrolling" 0 0 0 /// "Synaptics Tap Time" 0 | 15:34 |
| b4n | (related to thumbialing I think) | 15:34 |
| qengho | a1fa: ^ | 15:34 |
| b4n | is there a way around that? | 15:34 |
| qengho | a1fa: I assumed it was just me, in my mongrel X/Z machine. | 15:35 |
| a1fa | well i'm preping for unity exodus | 15:36 |
| a1fa | and gnome is sucking | 15:36 |
| a1fa | dont care much for unity8.. unity7 is the way to go | 15:37 |
| qengho | a1fa: We're not yanking rugs. Give it time. Use as normal. | 15:38 |
| a1fa | i figured i'd get a running start for 18.04; a year to get used to new DE | 15:40 |
| a1fa | GNOME3 top bar is so annoying, and it's in the way | 15:41 |
| tjaalton | a1fa: start by porting the mouse capplet to libinput | 15:41 |
| tjaalton | there's even a bug for thay | 15:42 |
| tjaalton | that | 15:42 |
| a1fa | i'm an end user - not a programmer | 15:42 |
| tjaalton | aha | 15:42 |
| qengho | a1fa: It's also a year before Ubuntu says "this is good enough for Unity users to switch to". | 15:42 |
| jdstrand | jbicha, seb128: hey, you probably saw that I updated gnome-terminal yesterday. if not, fyi, I did. I updated lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu too. let me know if I should do anything else (it's been a while since I updated a desktop team branch) | 15:42 |
| a1fa | right | 15:42 |
| qengho | Gnome3 is great. I use it. But Unity users expect Unity. We'll make a nice pathway in that year. | 15:43 |
| jbicha | jdstrand: thanks, it looks good! | 15:43 |
| a1fa | qengho: cant wait to see it | 15:45 |
| a1fa | qengho: hopefully its identical experience to unity | 15:45 |
| a1fa | just hoping to find an extension that deals with this top bar | 15:45 |
| a1fa | dash to dock is awesome | 15:45 |
| a1fa | now if one could only fix the awful top bar | 15:46 |
| jdstrand | seb128: curious if you updated the desktop snap part for the wayland socket yet | 15:46 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, no sorry, I've been doing iso testing and talking to people since yesterday | 16:17 |
| seb128 | trying to get that done this week still though | 16:18 |
| seb128 | but feel free to have a look yourself if you are blocked/want that handled now | 16:19 |
| jbicha | a1fa: it will definitely not be identical to Unity | 16:20 |
| jdstrand | seb128: not blocked, just curious | 16:25 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, k, so it's not done yet, I'm probably going to have a look on thursday (I was going to say or friday but I just remembered this w.e was starting on friday here) | 16:26 |
| jdstrand | seb128: thanks | 16:29 |
| a1fa | jbicha: close to it? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, yw! | 16:29 |
| a1fa | jbicha: i got it very close, except: the minimize, maximize, close is on the wrong side. and top bar is a b... | 16:29 |
| jbicha | a1fa: you're probably better off thinking that it will be substantially different than Unity | 16:30 |
| a1fa | somewhat disappointing | 16:30 |
| jbicha | a1fa: we aren't discussing the details of that this week though | 16:30 |
| a1fa | we are or arent? | 16:31 |
| a1fa | what is being discussed this week? | 16:31 |
| jbicha | we are not | 16:31 |
| jbicha | this week, we are working on releasing a great Ubuntu 17.04 | 16:31 |
| a1fa | already running 17.04 ;X | 16:32 |
| jbicha | Sweetshark: LibreOffice was featured in this announcement: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/11/snap-support-lands-in-fedora-24-25-26 | 16:34 |
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| GunnarHj | jbicha: I noticed the bug about updating gnome-user-docs. It's probably far to early to ask, but still: Do you have any early thoughts about how to deal with desktop docs going forward? Is there a suitable model for customizing gnome-user-docs for Ubuntu specific stuff? I suppose that ubuntu-docs in its current shape will be obsolete. | 17:55 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: yes, it's a bit early for that | 17:58 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok, that's fair enough for now. Time will tell, I suppose. | 17:59 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: see the very bottom of http://projectmallard.org/about/learn/if | 18:02 |
| jbicha | it's possible to get Ubuntu-specific wording into gnome-user-docs upstream if GNOME doesn't mind | 18:02 |
| jbicha | that won't work for customizing page titles of screenshots though | 18:03 |
| jbicha | *or screenshots | 18:03 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu 18.04 LTS might be similar enough to GNOME that it would be fine to just ship the GNOME docs | 18:04 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: If I recall correctly, GNOME did mind about such conditionals. | 18:05 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: well it was touch before because Unity was dramatically different than GNOME and it just cluttered up the docs for the docs people and translators | 18:05 |
| jbicha | *tough | 18:05 |
| jbicha | hopefully, Ubuntu's desktop should be more clear when 17.10 is released so you will have some months before 18.04 LTS | 18:06 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: There may remain other things beyond modifications of existing pages. | 18:07 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Will Ubuntu 17.10 be GNOME? | 18:08 |
| jbicha | yes | 18:09 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok, that will give us time to fix things before 18.04. | 18:09 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-getting-started-docs/tree/gnome-help/C/gs-browse-web.page | 18:22 |
| jbicha | that's a little ridiculous because the number of distros that don't ship Firefox by default has got to be smaller | 18:23 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Yeah.. But it shows that conditionals is indeed in use. | 18:24 |
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