[03:26] good morning to all [03:28] hi lotuspsychje [03:28] going to bed soon ... [03:28] hey OerHeks [03:28] OerHeks: didnt sleep yet? [03:28] lotuspsychje: \0 . sure is lonesome in #lotuscomputers :P [03:28] nope :-( [03:28] hey Bashing-om [03:29] Bashing-om: sunshine, much work in the kitchen :p [03:29] lotuspsychje: Busy mind keeps the devil away ;) [03:29] and an apple also [03:30] does ubuntu-gnome already use wayland on 16.04? [03:31] !wayland [03:31] Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ . Ubuntu is instead focusing on development of !Mir; see its factoid for more information. [03:40] lotuspsychje: Is there's a "GNOME on Wayland" session, you'd have to manually select it. [03:40] None of the GNOME versions Ubuntu ships have the Wayland session by default [03:40] ah [03:42] Menzador: lets say someone installs ubuntu-gnome 16.04 right now, will he be getting automatic updated to 18.04 gnome with wayland then? [03:42] Automatic? No. [03:42] Will 18.04 have a GNOME release that uses Wayland as default? Probably. [03:42] Menzador: yeah well i mean, have the choice [03:43] At that point in time we should have the next version of GNOME (whatever comes after 3.24, whether that's being called 3.26 or 4.0 I'm not sure) [03:44] if gnome will be default ubuntu desktop, its pretty the same as ubuntu-gnome right now right? except for wayland then [03:44] Looks like 3.26 it will be [03:44] lotuspsychje: It will ultimately depend on what the release team wants put into it. [03:44] I'd say darkxst would have a good roadmap for that, or jbicha [03:44] im asking because of making users already confortable with gnome right now [03:45] Hopefully 3.26 itself will make it into 17.10 [03:45] if not it will definitely be in 18.04 LTS [03:45] kk [03:45] It depends on whether Ubuntu and GNOME are going to coordinate releases again. [03:47] im curious [03:47] Menzador: mark said he will leave the gnome guys alone, and not making a tuned something else [03:48] So that most certainly means you'll have to wait for 3.26 until 18.04. [03:48] However, my 2¢ is that if in 17.10 we can get as much of actual 3.24 without patched Ubuntu whatters-now in there, we're golden [03:49] that might be prudent indeed [03:49] the problem is my users all pretty used to unity7 atm [03:50] will be shocking at 18.04 [03:50] lotuspsychje: MATE might be a good migration option if you're at liberty to do so [03:51] Menzador: i need something vanilla and stable for my users [03:52] Well, we didn't patch MATE with a maze of whatters-nows [03:52] or KDE for that matter :) [03:53] Although if you're looking for something that is pure GNOME goodness, I'd try another distro altogether. [03:54] Menzador: im too dedicated to ubuntu, ill try the 18.04 for sure [03:55] Hopefully the GNOME will be pure there, now that Unity patches won't be needed [03:56] In the past I've used Arch Linux with GNOME, about as pure as you can get. It looks raw around the edges without the usual pre-configured tweaks, but otherwise it's quite stunning. [03:57] vanilla is good [03:57] i surely wont take the unity7 road, if im not 100% sure til get nice updates n such [03:57] even if it hits the repos [05:01] working day, laterz guys [06:24] good morning [12:19] Hi folks [12:23] Hi there BluesKaj [12:27] Hey OerHeks [12:36] hi BluesKaj - up and at'em! :) [12:43] hi all [12:50] BluesKaj: hi [13:09] hi immu [13:21] BluesKaj: whats up [13:27] immu: installing some networking packages etc [13:31] kubuntu? BluesKaj [13:32] on debian atm [13:33] BBL [13:43] how is debian? BluesKaj everything works? [13:51] No LSB modules are available. [13:51] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [13:51] Description: Ubuntu 17.04 [13:51] Release: 17.04 [13:51] Codename: zesty [14:13] immu: i'm still installing packages , but so far so good. [14:14] on debain i suppose? blue [14:15] BluesKaj: on debain i suppose? [14:17] Failed to download software updates? any reason [14:36] immu: ask in #ubuntu [14:36] BluesKaj: ok [14:55] morning all [15:01] \o nacc [15:03] ducasse: BluesKaj nacc Good evening here [15:29] hey nacc [15:29] how are folks doing? [15:30] seems like finally the unity madness is dying down and this is the 'new normal' again :) [15:30] i dont want gnome! [15:30] now i have to switch to kde :/ [15:30] lol [15:30] i love unity [15:30] you can keep using unity [15:30] unity7, that is [15:30] not really [15:31] why not? [15:31] for 1 year max [15:31] huh? [15:31] it just won't be the default desktop [15:31] because i bet with gnome, ubuntu will switch to wayland. There is no unity for wayland [15:31] unity will be in the repositories for probably ever [15:31] there will be some effort to make it work, i'm sure [15:31] unity only works with X11 [15:32] not really, because then compiz also needs to be ported [15:32] and thats to much effort for unity7 [15:33] thats why i wanted unity8, but thats needs much time to get stable [15:34] thank the Lord KDE/Plasma is supported by Blue Systems now [15:34] baizon: ok, there is a year and that's a long time in the open source world, i'm not so pessimistic [15:34] but i also don't use unity [15:36] no chance, without a company there is no chance for a community unity until 20.04 [15:36] There's already a fork [15:36] yes there is with a 0.0.1 version [15:36] im watching it on githubn [15:36] i am quite sure x will still be there for both 18.04 and 20.04... [15:37] That's both sad and funny [15:37] nonetheless, true [15:38] Is there a German word for that feeling? [15:39] schadenfreude [15:39] sort of [15:40] Just reading that word makes me feel that way [15:40] literally shame-happiness [15:40] but it is more taking pleasure out of pain, iirc [15:41] 'schade' = 'injury', i think [15:41] we have the same word, 'skade' [15:41] "pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune." [15:42] yeah, 'harm' generally [15:42] harm-joy literarlly, then -- been a while since i translated german :( [15:55] ducasse, do you have a roll of tape ? [15:55] http://imgur.com/gallery/c8ovV [15:55] a roll of tape? what did you break? [15:56] let me get back to you on that one :) [15:57] yes please [15:57] OerHeks: my cats would definitely do that [15:57] see if it works with dogs also. [15:57] it does not work with chihuahuas [15:57] one sec, texting gf [15:58] * unless i put his food bowl in it === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:55] * nacc just wants to have the ability slap users [16:55] is that so much to ask? [16:56] well, then they could slap back :( and given they're mostly troll idiots, that'd be a bad one :> [16:56] for context, fugee on #ubuntu claiming it's a conspiracy that `cp` sets the ctime on the target file [16:58] sounds like he or she needs to relax with some Fugees [16:59] daftykins: good idea, /me plays some here [16:59] :> [17:03] i'll mail him an United voucher, oke? [17:03] lol [17:03] ;D [17:03] that's a nice threat :) [17:03] i was just watching videos of that incident, heard it on the radio today [17:03] Thank you for flying #freenode ... errr wait [17:05] daftykins, remember this one? https://www.dropbox.com/s/fki8c5td32glcv2/2017spring.JPG?dl=0 [17:06] update today >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfn76t6vfwflmnh/2017spring2.JPG?dl=0 [17:07] yay :D nice [17:07] very green [17:08] oop patch tuesday has just kicked off, having reached 6pm [17:09] must reboot this host [17:10] prefixing your question (that you first asked a couple of minutes earlier) with 'NOTICE ME!' is just *so* appealing... [17:10] heh [21:59] Rofl the top comment says pinterest was wrong it is a rectangle [21:59] LMAO [22:00] ? [22:00] OerHeks' url [22:01] On April 11 2017 [22:01] Sorry it was from my Log [22:01] I didn't pay attention === ariver is now known as Guest85819