[03:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:28] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje
[03:28] <OerHeks> going to bed soon ...
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: didnt sleep yet?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \0 . sure is lonesome in #lotuscomputers :P
[03:28] <OerHeks> nope :-(
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sunshine, much work in the kitchen :p
[03:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Busy mind keeps the devil away ;)
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> and an apple also
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> does ubuntu-gnome already use wayland on 16.04?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[03:40] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: Is there's a "GNOME on Wayland" session, you'd have to manually select it.
[03:40] <Menzador> None of the GNOME versions Ubuntu ships have the Wayland session by default
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> ah
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: lets say someone installs ubuntu-gnome  16.04 right now, will he be getting automatic updated to 18.04 gnome with wayland then?
[03:42] <Menzador> Automatic? No.
[03:42] <Menzador> Will 18.04 have a GNOME release that uses Wayland as default? Probably.
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: yeah well i mean, have the choice
[03:43] <Menzador> At that point in time we should have the next version of GNOME (whatever comes after 3.24, whether that's being called 3.26 or 4.0 I'm not sure)
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> if gnome will be default ubuntu desktop, its pretty the same as ubuntu-gnome right now right? except for wayland then
[03:44] <Menzador> Looks like 3.26 it will be
[03:44] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: It will ultimately depend on what the release team wants put into it.
[03:44] <Menzador> I'd say darkxst would have a good roadmap for that, or jbicha
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> im asking because of making users already confortable with gnome right now
[03:45] <Menzador> Hopefully 3.26 itself will make it into 17.10
[03:45] <Menzador> if not it will definitely be in 18.04 LTS
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> kk
[03:45] <Menzador> It depends on whether Ubuntu and GNOME are going to coordinate releases again.
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> im curious
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: mark said he will leave the gnome guys alone, and not making a tuned something else
[03:48] <Menzador> So that most certainly means you'll have to wait for 3.26 until 18.04.
[03:48] <Menzador> However, my 2¢ is that if in 17.10 we can get as much of actual 3.24 without patched Ubuntu whatters-now in there, we're golden
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> that might be prudent indeed
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> the problem is my users all pretty used to unity7 atm
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> will be shocking at 18.04
[03:50] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: MATE might be a good migration option if you're at liberty to do so
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: i need something vanilla and stable for my users
[03:52] <Menzador> Well, we didn't patch MATE with a maze of whatters-nows
[03:52] <Menzador> or KDE for that matter :)
[03:53] <Menzador> Although if you're looking for something that is pure GNOME goodness, I'd try another distro altogether.
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: im too dedicated to ubuntu, ill try the 18.04 for sure
[03:55] <Menzador> Hopefully the GNOME will be pure there, now that Unity patches won't be needed
[03:56] <Menzador> In the past I've used Arch Linux with GNOME, about as pure as you can get. It looks raw around the edges without the usual pre-configured tweaks, but otherwise it's quite stunning.
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> vanilla is good
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> i surely wont take the unity7 road, if im not 100% sure til get nice updates n such
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> even if it hits the repos
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> working day, laterz guys
[06:24] <ducasse> good morning
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:23] <OerHeks> Hi there BluesKaj
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey OerHeks
[12:36] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - up and at'em! :)
[12:43] <immu> hi all
[12:50] <immu> BluesKaj: hi
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[13:21] <immu> BluesKaj: whats up
[13:27] <BluesKaj> immu:  installing some networking packages etc
[13:31] <immu> kubuntu? BluesKaj
[13:32] <BluesKaj> on debian atm
[13:33] <BluesKaj> BBL
[13:43] <immu> how is debian? BluesKaj everything works?
[13:51] <immu> No LSB modules are available.
[13:51] <immu> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:51] <immu> Description:	Ubuntu 17.04
[13:51] <immu> Release:	17.04
[13:51] <immu> Codename:	zesty
[14:13] <BluesKaj> immu:  i'm still installing packages , but so far so good.
[14:14] <immu> on debain i suppose? blue
[14:15] <immu> BluesKaj: on debain i suppose?
[14:17] <immu> Failed to download software updates? any reason
[14:36] <BluesKaj> immu:  ask in #ubuntu
[14:36] <immu> BluesKaj: ok
[14:55] <nacc> morning all
[15:01] <ducasse> \o nacc
[15:03] <immu> ducasse: BluesKaj nacc Good evening here
[15:29] <BluesKaj> hey nacc
[15:29] <nacc> how are folks doing?
[15:30] <nacc> seems like finally the unity madness is dying down and this is the 'new normal' again :)
[15:30] <baizon> i dont want gnome!
[15:30] <baizon> now i have to switch to kde :/
[15:30] <nacc> lol
[15:30] <baizon> i love unity
[15:30] <nacc> you can keep using unity
[15:30] <nacc> unity7, that is
[15:30] <baizon> not really
[15:31] <nacc> why not?
[15:31] <baizon> for 1 year max
[15:31] <nacc> huh?
[15:31] <nacc> it just won't be the default desktop
[15:31] <baizon> because i bet with gnome, ubuntu will switch to wayland. There is no unity for wayland
[15:31] <nacc> unity will be in the repositories for probably ever
[15:31] <nacc> there will be some effort to make it work, i'm sure
[15:31] <baizon> unity only works with X11
[15:32] <baizon> not really, because then compiz also needs to be ported
[15:32] <baizon> and thats to much effort for unity7
[15:33] <baizon> thats why i wanted unity8, but thats needs much time to get stable
[15:34] <BluesKaj> thank the Lord KDE/Plasma is supported by Blue Systems now
[15:34] <nacc> baizon: ok, there is a year and that's a long time in the open source world, i'm not so pessimistic
[15:34] <nacc> but i also don't use unity
[15:36] <baizon> no chance, without a company there is no chance for a community unity until 20.04
[15:36] <xangua> There's already a fork
[15:36] <baizon> yes there is with a 0.0.1 version
[15:36] <baizon> im watching it on githubn
[15:36] <ducasse> i am quite sure x will still be there for both 18.04 and 20.04...
[15:37] <xangua> That's both sad and funny
[15:37] <ducasse> nonetheless, true
[15:38] <xangua> Is there a German word for that feeling?
[15:39] <nacc> schadenfreude
[15:39] <nacc> sort of
[15:40] <xangua> Just reading that word makes me feel that way
[15:40] <nacc> literally shame-happiness
[15:40] <nacc> but it is more taking pleasure out of pain, iirc
[15:41] <ducasse> 'schade' = 'injury', i think
[15:41] <ducasse> we have the same word, 'skade'
[15:41] <nacc> "pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune."
[15:42] <nacc> yeah, 'harm' generally
[15:42] <nacc> harm-joy literarlly, then -- been a while since i translated german :(
[15:55] <OerHeks> ducasse, do you have a roll of tape ?
[15:55] <OerHeks> http://imgur.com/gallery/c8ovV
[15:55] <ducasse> a roll of tape? what did you break?
[15:56] <ducasse> let me get back to you on that one :)
[15:57] <OerHeks> yes please
[15:57] <nicomachus> OerHeks: my cats would definitely do that
[15:57] <ducasse> see if it works with dogs also.
[15:57] <OerHeks> it does not work with chihuahuas
[15:57] <nicomachus> one sec, texting gf
[15:58] <OerHeks> * unless i put his food bowl in it
[16:55]  * nacc just wants to have the ability slap users
[16:55] <nacc> is that so much to ask?
[16:56] <daftykins> well, then they could slap back :( and given they're mostly troll idiots, that'd be a bad one :>
[16:56] <nacc> for context, fugee on #ubuntu claiming it's a conspiracy that `cp` sets the ctime on the target file
[16:58] <daftykins> sounds like he or she needs to relax with some Fugees
[16:59] <nacc> daftykins: good idea, /me plays some here
[16:59] <daftykins> :>
[17:03] <OerHeks> i'll mail him an United voucher, oke?
[17:03] <nacc> lol
[17:03] <daftykins> ;D
[17:03] <nacc> that's a nice threat :)
[17:03] <daftykins> i was just watching videos of that incident, heard it on the radio today
[17:03] <OerHeks> Thank you for flying #freenode ... errr wait
[17:05] <OerHeks> daftykins, remember this one? https://www.dropbox.com/s/fki8c5td32glcv2/2017spring.JPG?dl=0
[17:06] <OerHeks> update today >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfn76t6vfwflmnh/2017spring2.JPG?dl=0
[17:07] <daftykins> yay :D nice
[17:07] <daftykins> very green
[17:08] <daftykins> oop patch tuesday has just kicked off, having reached 6pm
[17:09] <daftykins> must reboot this host
[17:10] <ducasse> prefixing your question (that you first asked a couple of minutes earlier) with 'NOTICE ME!' is just *so* appealing...
[17:10] <nacc> heh
[21:59] <poinku> Rofl the top comment says pinterest was wrong it is a rectangle
[21:59] <poinku> LMAO
[22:00] <daftykins> ?
[22:00] <poinku> OerHeks' url
[22:01] <poinku> On April 11 2017
[22:01] <poinku> Sorry it was from my Log
[22:01] <poinku> I didn't pay attention