[06:41] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[07:24] <RJ_McKenzie> hello
[08:42] <as__> hello, I use ubuntu14.04LTS, and when i hit the poweroff button at tty1-6, the system shutdown immediately?? is this a bug?
[08:44] <ouroumov_> hello as_
[08:45] <ouroumov_> as__, not sure, check your power management preferences
[08:47] <as__> ouroumov_, thanks, but that preferences just work for the tty7 ;(
[08:50] <ouroumov_> as__, oh
[08:51] <alkisg> as__: what would you expect? a prompt? tty
[08:51] <ouroumov_> as__, well, not sure how to help you there
[08:51] <alkisg> 's are not multitasking..
[08:51] <alkisg> I think it's the best thing that the ttys can do, to immediately shutdown
[08:51] <alkisg> And it's great that systemd checks if there's a gui running (to issues a prompt) or not
[08:51] <alkisg> I.e. all fine there :)
[08:55] <as__> alkisg, on ubuntu12.04, i hit the power button on tty1-6(not gui), and nothing happens
[08:56] <crankypuss> g'morning
[08:56] <as__> think about if i hit the power button accidentally, the system will going to shutdown :(
[08:58] <ouroumov_> hi crankypuss
[09:10] <alkisg> as__: you can disable that probably from policykit
[09:11] <alkisg> as__: as for "accidentaly", well, I can also push the powerhub button and turn off the power, accidentally :D
[09:11] <alkisg> It's a button; it's supposed to do something
[09:11] <alkisg> If you don't like the default behavior, sure, you can change it
[09:12] <alkisg> Check this, http://askubuntu.com/questions/362914/how-to-prevent-the-power-button-to-shutdown-directly-the-system
[09:12] <alkisg> First answer there
[09:13] <alkisg> HandlePowerKey=ignore
[09:19] <as__> alkisg: thank you very much, i tried to change the /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh yesterday and found that just work for GUI, i'll try to change the HandlePowerKey ;)
[09:27] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, the forums seem to be down
[09:31] <ouroumov_> https://status.bytemark.org/ gives a server error too
[09:33] <crankypuss> ouroumov_ i can never remember how to spell your nick, it's the second "u" that gets me ;-)
[09:33] <ouroumov_> Oh, I got the page once and they're reporting a connectivity issue with estimated resolution time of 1H
[09:34] <ouroumov_> crankypuss, you can autocomplete :p
[09:34] <ouroumov_> our+TAB
[09:34] <Astro7467> ouroumov_:  think the connectivity issue is intermittent as I can see both OK (forums & bytemark status)
[09:36] <ouroumov_> Astro7467, yeah it's back
[09:36] <ouroumov_> They've updated the issue and added a new one about their cloud servers being investigated & restarted
[09:44] <crankypuss> ouroumov_, hey, that autocomplete biz is pretty cool, thanks for the clue-in!  you also using hexchat?
[12:55] <PlainDave> I just upgraded from 16.04.2 to 17.04 beta2, and it didn't ask me during the install if I wanted to keep all my programs and settings.
[13:22] <alkisg> PlainDave: upgrade means from 16.04 to 16.10 to 17.04 with `do-release-upgrade`
[13:23] <alkisg> What you did was "clean install"
[13:23] <alkisg> To keep /home in clean install, you need to select "something else" in the installer, and tell him to reuse the existing partitions
[13:23] <PlainDave> oh okay. thanks. I thought it didn't really look quite right.
[13:24] <PlainDave> oh, I did click on Something Else.
[13:24] <PlainDave> and chose the partition
[13:24] <alkisg> Do you have a separate /home?
[13:24] <alkisg> Or all in root?
[13:25] <PlainDave> looks like all in root
[13:25] <PlainDave> no separate
[13:25] <alkisg> OK, did you select to use sda1 as / and as ext4?
[13:26] <PlainDave> yes
[13:26] <alkisg> If so, it would prompt you that "folders bin, lib, usr etc will be overwritten", but it should have kept /home
[13:26] <alkisg> Did it keep /home/username as it was?
[13:27] <PlainDave> yes
[13:27] <alkisg> All fine then
[13:27] <PlainDave> yes okay. thanks.
[13:28] <PlainDave> no big deal. lately, I've been trying out different distros and having to set things.
[13:28] <PlainDave> and install. thanks again.
[13:28] <alkisg> np
[13:33] <PlainDave> do you have any idea when 17.04 stable will be released?
[14:49] <ouroumov_> PlainDave, 13th of April: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[14:50] <ouroumov_> At least, that's the plan.
[14:51] <ouroumov_> I'm hoping it will be delayed until someone fixes this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1047384
[14:56] <jbicha> ouroumov_: honestly, it's probably too late for that to be fixed before 17.04; that's an old bug!
[14:57] <jbicha> the workaround is to use the "Try Ubuntu" mode and set your keyboard layout before getting to that point of the installer
[14:57] <ouroumov_> jbicha, yeah, I think so too, but I'm going to keep reporting it on each new build on the QA iso tracker because seriously this is not cool. :/
[15:00] <ouroumov_> And yeah I'm aware of the workaround, but this is still nasty for new users.
[15:00] <ouroumov_> And the only reason I know of the workaround is because I've been hit by this bug before.
[15:00] <ouroumov_> This shouldn't be anyone's first taste of Ubuntu.
[15:02] <DarkPsydeLord> which one the gnome one?
[15:03] <ouroumov_> DarkPsydeLord, I'm talking about the Ubiquity bug.
[15:04] <DarkPsydeLord> oh! yeah... thats unfortunate
[15:44] <Guest52676> Hi all.  Any suggestions for a simple Linux project for a first-time Linux-learner?  Looking to play around with terminal.  Interested in RC planes, surfing, fishing, gardening, etc.
[15:45] <ouroumov_> hi ryan / Guest52676
[15:45] <Guest52676> hi ouroumov
[15:46] <DarkPsydeLord> Guest52676, most of that sound like a job for an arduno more than a linux machine
[15:47] <Guest52676> yeah you are probably right.  But I'm in a Linux class, so I need to think of a Linux project :)
[15:47] <ouroumov_> ryan / Guest52676, DarkPsydeLord: I'm not sure, I'm pretty sure you can hack an indoor RC plane with a RPi and a few servos.
[15:47] <DarkPsydeLord> rpi its the key to automate your whole home
[15:48] <DarkPsydeLord> and linux involved in that process
[15:48] <Guest52676> I will look into RPI
[15:48] <Guest52676> Oh, you mean raspberry pi? :)
[15:48] <ouroumov_> yeah
[15:48] <DarkPsydeLord> yes
[15:49] <DarkPsydeLord> also read automating the boring stuff with python you will get a lot of ideas
[15:52] <Guest52676> lets say I didn't want to get a raspberry pi....could I use an old PC to do a similar thing?
[15:57] <ouroumov_> Holly...
[15:57] <Artemis3> Guest52676, that won't be very portable, but of course computers have been able to do those things for decades
[15:58] <ouroumov_> I've just noticed that the Ubuntu archive server for France is owned by an ISP o_o
[15:58] <ouroumov_> This is awesome.
[15:58] <ouroumov_> Bouygues Telecom for the win.
[15:59] <Artemis3> makes sense, it reduces external traffic if your customers use it
[16:00] <ouroumov_> But they're taking the load for every French computer, I mean. This is not only Bouygues subscribers.
[16:00] <Artemis3> which was the point behind mirrors in the first place xD
[16:01] <Artemis3> well im in country v, but the assigned mirror is in country b, which happens to have worse ping than country u (or main)
[16:01] <Artemis3> mind you, to reach country b you need to go thru country u xD
[16:02] <ouroumov_> Is there a way to tell apt to use main server - but only if requests to local server fail?
[16:03] <Artemis3> i found something better, a way to use multiple mirrors at once... apt-fast i think its called xD
[16:04] <ouroumov_> I'll take a look
[16:05] <ouroumov_> 'Later
[16:48] <vtzam> hello
[16:49] <vtzam> team viewer 10 for ubuntu mate??
[16:49] <ouroumov__> There's a version 10?
[16:50] <ouroumov__> There's even a version 12, wow
[16:51] <ouroumov__> vtzam, so have you tried it?
[16:51] <ouroumov__> vtzam, or are you asking how to install it?
[16:51] <vtzam> i saw that exist only host mode
[16:52] <ouroumov__> I don't know what host mode means but on the download page for Linux it doesn't say "host mode only" afaik
[16:52] <vtzam> this is problem
[16:52] <ouroumov__> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[16:53] <ouroumov__> Oh actually it does for the RPi
[16:53] <ouroumov__> Are you using a RPi?
[16:53] <vtzam> ohh i am sorry,, i forgot to said my device!!!! rasberry pi3
[16:53] <vtzam> yes
[16:53] <vtzam> i forgot it,,,
[16:54] <ouroumov__> And so why is host mode a problem (and what is it?)
[16:55] <vtzam> host mode is to connect from outside only to host
[16:57] <vtzam> host is like one client !! you cant connect from rasberry to onother pc
[16:57] <vtzam> host is like one client !! you cant connect from rasberry to onother pc 1
[16:57] <ouroumov__> Oh
[16:57] <ouroumov__> I see.
[16:57] <ouroumov__> Well
[16:57] <vtzam> anyway
[16:58] <ouroumov__> If TW is not providing it, I'm not sure how you can do that.
[16:59] <ouroumov__> You know, if both your computers are in your LAN then there's others alternatives to TW.
[17:01] <vtzam> ok!
[17:01] <ouroumov__> And there's alternatives anyway, however handling NAT traversal is kind of not-trivial.
[17:02] <ouroumov__> Basically you gotta get a dedicated server, spin a VPN and connect your computers through the VPN
[17:08] <vtzam> i have all of my clients to group fixed under t/v
[17:20] <crc_> olá
[17:20] <crc_> hello
[17:20] <crc_> guys
[18:33] <chris-pi> hi i need help with my pi 3 and mate. anybody?
[18:35] <chris-pi> oder auf deutsch?
[18:37] <sixwheeledbeast> !ask
[18:37] <Akuli> !de | chris-pi
[18:40] <chris-pi> !ask my pi 3 expect my mate doesnt recocnice my tv. it says unknown monitor. videoplayback in vlc is much laggy. i already changed gpu mem to 512. any suggestion?
[18:51] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1681912 I'm guessing this probably affects other ubuntu flavors
[19:54] <mate|31453> nothing
[22:02] <deskwizard> Hey, are you guys aware that some of the latest updates screws up the UI and stuff? or is it just me again...
[22:03] <ouroumov> hi deskwizard
[22:03] <ouroumov> Lemme check
[22:04] <deskwizard> ouroumov: let me now if you want a screenshot... I'm a bit limited with my knowledge atm
[22:04] <deskwizard> on 16.04.1
[22:04] <ouroumov> Oh
[22:05] <ouroumov> I thought you meant on 17.04. I don't have a "clean" 16.04 handy atm
[22:05] <deskwizard> oh sorry, I should have mentionned
[22:05] <ouroumov> deskwizard, sure post your screenshot
[22:05] <deskwizard> ouroumov: http://i.imgur.com/Qh776lq.jpg
[22:06] <deskwizard> I wiped the system thinking I messed it up, thats from a fresh install
[22:06] <ouroumov> Hm
[22:06] <deskwizard> after the updates
[22:08] <ouroumov> It looks like the same kind of things as described here, but affecting a subset of your theme: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dont-fallback-to-raleigh-theme-when-starting-up-shutting-down/9276
[22:09] <ouroumov> deskwizard, are you using the MATE 1.14 or 1.16 PPAs?
[22:10] <deskwizard> ouroumov: uhm, I don't know tbh, I'm not that experienced with that sorta thing, I havent changed anything so I guess the default one, but thats a guess
[22:10] <deskwizard> let me see
[22:11] <deskwizard> my limited knowledge would say 1.12 according to synaptic, at least thats what all mate component version says
[22:12] <ouroumov> okay
[22:13] <deskwizard> ouroumov: just a thought, what if I wipe again and compare before and after updates ?
[22:13] <deskwizard> at least it'll give me an idea of what it could be
[22:13] <ouroumov> deskwizard, wait a sec
[22:13] <deskwizard> np
[22:14] <deskwizard> ty for looking into it, greatly appreciated
[22:14] <deskwizard> take all the time you need
[22:14] <ouroumov> I have 36 days of uptime on this machine, I'm gonna do a full update and reboot, see if something broke
[22:15] <ouroumov> brb
[22:18] <ouroumov> Okay
[22:19] <ouroumov> So, I don't see any problems on my machine.
[22:20] <ouroumov> deskwizard, I notice you mentioned you're using 16.04.1, does this mean you haven't used the 16.04.2 iso file for your installation?
[22:21] <deskwizard> ouroumov: for this one yes, iirc it had .2 before I wiped
[22:21] <deskwizard> wait, brbr
[22:22] <deskwizard> just realized, I updated 3 other machines 2 days ago, all of them working fine
[22:22] <ouroumov> hm
[22:23] <deskwizard> ouroumov: 16.04.1 will stick to 4.4 kernel and .2 will go 4.8, right?
[22:23] <ouroumov> Hm, I'm not sure.
[22:23] <ouroumov> Mine says 4.4 right now
[22:23] <deskwizard> ouroumov: you know if theres an easy way to check .1 vs .2 ?
[22:24] <ouroumov> yes: open a terminal (ctrl+alt+t) then type: lsb_release -a
[22:25] <deskwizard> *growl* .2 everywhere
[22:25] <deskwizard> I stick to .1 for the tablet because kernel 4.8 messes things up
[22:25] <deskwizard> I'll wipe and shove .2 on there, we'll see
[22:26] <ouroumov> You're using a tablet?
[22:26] <deskwizard> ouroumov: on some other device, not these, sorry for the confusion
[22:27] <ouroumov> So, let's get back to it. Can you run the command "sudo apt update" in the terminal and tell me if you see errors?
[22:28] <deskwizard> ouroumov: no errors
[22:28] <ouroumov> "sudo apt full-upgrade" and report
[22:28] <deskwizard> nothing to do, all up to date
[22:31] <ouroumov> Okay, please go to the appearance settings and select the theme "Ambiant MATE" then report back.
[22:31] <ouroumov> Please excuse if I lag, I'm cooking diner atm
[22:31] <deskwizard> no worries mate :)
[22:32] <deskwizard> I tried that, first idea I have... tried again, same result, the style does change, but the windows and icons and all stays the "wrong ones"
[22:35] <ouroumov> Okay, can you please issue the command: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:35] <ouroumov> this will provide an url in response, please post it here
[22:35] <deskwizard> mkay, 1 sec then I,ll login from there
[22:37] <deskwizard2> http://termbin.com/qfjn
[22:37] <deskwizard> brb
[22:41] <ouroumov> deskwizard, please try the following: go to the Software & Update settings, in the tab "Ubuntu Software" instead of "server for canada" select "Main server", then do update && full-upgrade again from the terminal and report
[22:44] <deskwizard> ouroumov: tried that already, it's on main
[22:45] <deskwizard> does the log show otherwise ?
[22:45] <deskwizard> 'cause I've had issues before with the canadian server not being up to date..
[22:45] <deskwizard> kinda nice to see I've it pretty much every issue lol
[22:45] <deskwizard> s/it/hit
[22:47] <ouroumov> deskwizard, yeah the log shows you're on main indeed, my bad, I just saw "ca.archive" and then went to check the update status of those servers
[22:49] <deskwizard> ouroumov: what do you think, should we continue hunting that or should I just wipe and go to .2? the flash drive is ready to go hehe
[22:49] <ouroumov> deskwizard, ok last thing I can think of: go to software boutique, run all the "fixes" (last icon on the right) then reboot, but before that please let me know if you've used the amd64 iso or the i386 iso (basically, are you running the OS in 32 bit)
[22:49] <deskwizard> ouroumov: 64 bits
[22:49] <deskwizard> lets see
[22:51] <deskwizard> same... time to wipe
[22:52] <deskwizard> worse that can happen I end up with the same problem
[22:52] <ouroumov>  Question: how are you creating your USB key and how old is your hard drive?
[22:53] <deskwizard> ouroumov: with the startup disk creator
[22:53] <deskwizard> ouroumov: I was guessing PSU myself... :P
[22:54] <deskwizard> wouldnt hurt to test the HD to make sure
[22:55] <deskwizard> ouroumov: though the "original" (I remade the flash drive a couple times) was made with rufus
[22:57] <ouroumov> deskwizard, I really don't see what else could cause this
[22:57] <deskwizard> ouroumov: makes two of us, at least I'm not crazy, that's a start :P
[22:57] <ouroumov> ^^
[23:00] <deskwizard> ouroumov: one way of the other, thanks a lot for helping, I really appreciate it
[23:00] <ouroumov> yw
[23:00] <PlainDave> any idea when 17.04 will be released as stable?
[23:00] <ouroumov> PlainDave, April 13th
[23:00] <PlainDave> oh cool
[23:01] <PlainDave> thanks
[23:01] <ouroumov> PlainDave, at least, that's the plan
[23:01] <PlainDave> oh nice
[23:01]  * deskwizard puts flash drive aside for a couple days... :P
[23:37] <deskwizard> ouroumov: unrelated but just had a flash... the 4.4 vs 4.8 kernel thing, its only for a fresh install, if upgraded to .2 it'll keep 4.4 but use 4.8 as default if installed from .2
[23:38] <deskwizard> unless opted in manually
[23:40] <deskwizard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[23:40] <deskwizard> just wanted to mention in case I was wrong earlier