[00:01] <daftykins> i pay my way by checking their trays atm :>
[00:01] <daftykins> alrighty time to scoot, things to do!
[00:02] <penguin42> kittens to fix, pipes to feed
[00:02] <daftykins> yipyipyip!
[00:02] <daftykins> haha i got quoted £1200+ by the local telco for an analog phone system for 4 users, i can do that with FreePBX on a spare PC and buy some IP phones and PoE switch etc for £500
[00:34] <daftykins> oh Vista is EOL today \o/ glorious
[01:19] <diddledan> yey vista
[07:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:45] <SuperMatt> howdoo moodoo
[07:45] <foobarry> this channel was dying until the latest ubuntu announcement. funny how that works
[07:45] <SuperMatt> You should see fedora-uk, no crazy news there, so no one says a word!
[07:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I said morning ;) that's the most action in there lol
[07:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I could op and kick someone just for fun :)
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:03] <TwistedLucidity> Can you imagine if tech news was reported like politics?
[09:04] <davmor2> You mean it isn't
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all by the way
[09:05] <TwistedLucidity> Well I haven't seen "SHUTTLEWORTH IN DESKTOP U-TURN - Destroys the dreams of millions" or something like that
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> and in todays news emacs still sucks, long live vim... :-)
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> Actually, no. It'd be "SHUTTLEWORTH IN YET ANOTHER FAILURE - Surely he must make way for a new leader?"
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> then he takes his football AND money home with him...
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> All I've seen is "Ubuntu to use GNOME. Well....blow me."
[09:08] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Difficult to carry both, I volunteer to hold the money.
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> I'll just put it in this here bank account...for safekeeping...
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> just resting in your account...
[09:11] <foobarry> YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT CANONICAL DID NEXT..
[09:11] <SuperMatt> Down with this sort of thing
[09:11] <foobarry> IMPERIAL SHUTTLE CRASHES
[09:12] <TwistedLucidity> LOL!
[09:12] <foobarry> SHUTTLE COMES BACK DOWN TO EARTH
[09:20] <knightwise> DEATH STAR PLANS LEAKED ! YOU NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED NEXT
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> who let an r2 unit onto the death star without epoxy resining all it's usb port?!
[09:36] <Nokaji> Hi, suddenly my printer fails. I have Ubuntu 16.04, and a canon mx925 printer. Error messages include "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'failed to connect to server'." and "Failed to start cups-browsed.service: Unit cups.service is masked." I can only see 'generic' printer listed also a message saying 'printer rejecting jobs' or similar
[09:56] <Nokaji> Okay, with fixing broken packages (synaptic) I now get:-  "E: cups-browsed: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[09:58] <Nokaji> minor emergency ... bbiab 10mins...
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> It's 2017 and we (by that I mean, IT in general) still can't make reliable printers.
[10:09] <popey> Printers are devices for causing pain. They also sometimes print stuff.
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Too right
[10:10] <BigRedS> It's 2017, we ought not *need* reliable printers
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> Uh...yeah, we do
[10:11] <foobarry> getting "invalid partition table!" after a linux install :(
[10:11] <foobarry> i hit return and then get the grub loader and continues correctly
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> For example, I am going to need a working printer to spew out a few CVs
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> And a working printer to pump our a few photos I want to frame.
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> Now, some of that I could send to be printed for me...but guess what they need, reliable printers!
[10:12] <foobarry> oh thats a dell bios message :|
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> UEFI? FakeRaid?
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> Or actual Old Skool BIOS?
[10:14] <foobarry> i disabled UEFI
[10:14] <foobarry> but it seems to be a werid dell issue
[10:15] <popey> why disable UEFI?
[10:15] <popey> does the distro not support it?
[10:15] <foobarry> i was trying to get this thing to work
[10:15] <popey> oh
[10:15] <foobarry> didn't realise it was the poxy bios
[10:15] <Nokaji> pain indeed ...
[10:16] <Nokaji> printer is one of the best I've had, not that the standard junk provides much competition to it
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Nokaji: Currently your issue isn't with the printer, but some jiggered update (you know that, of course). Unfortunately that online message only says that a script failed, not *why* it failed.
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> Seems that somewhere along the way your CUPS install became hosed.
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> You might be quickest to purge it and do a fresh install (not sure what files you may wish to back up first though)
[10:28] <Nokaji> frsh install of cups stuff only?
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> "cups-browsed" at the very least. I'm no expert, not had a failure like this myself.
[10:30] <Nokaji> okay, well it's the only plan I have so I guess I'll try it - might get me past whatever the incompatability is
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> But yes, only CUPS should be affected. Don't reinstall your whole system!
[10:30] <Nokaji> Fine, I don't see what could go wrong with trying it :)
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Famous last words.....
[10:32] <Nokaji> It's kinda a brute force resolution and I'm always curious as to the precise nature of the problem but right now I need a functioning printer and this offers the hope of a resolution
[10:32] <Nokaji> 3...2...1... !
[10:54] <Nokaji> just some slight feedback ... have a lot of 'interruptions' going on right now however I have, it would apear, connected my smartphone to the print so at least I have an option to d/l file to phone and then print ...
[11:07] <foobarry> is there any way to update dell bios on linux?
[11:07] <foobarry> on modern laptops?
[11:08] <Laney> you can write the exe to a usb stick
[11:09] <foobarry> oh? and then what? flash from setup?
[11:10] <foobarry> thanks, i'll have a look at that
[11:10] <acheronUK> F2 boot menu option IIRC
[11:11] <acheronUK> or F12 even
[11:12] <foobarry> requires a dos boot usb...
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Last time I looked at it, Dell's position was "Windows or GTFO"
[11:16] <foobarry> i'll let you know shortly
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> last time i did it they supplied an iso to do the job... write the iso to usb or cd boot and go and fingers crossed
[11:28] <foobarry> :o its working!
[11:28] <foobarry> unetbootin->freedos cp bios.exe ->/media/blah
[11:29] <foobarry> thanks Laney :D
[11:30] <penguin42> firmware upgrade?
[11:31] <Laney> woot
[11:34] <davmor2> it's almost like Laney knows what he is on about
[11:34] <davmor2> only almost though
[11:35] <foobarry> didn't fix my weird dell problem though
[11:35] <foobarry> its a terrible laptop. brings shame on the name on latitudes
[11:35] <Laney> davmor2: fast internet connection -> google -> irc
[11:36] <Laney> -> ??? -> profit
[11:36] <Laney> not really in this case; having an XPS 13 taught me that nugget :)
[11:36]  * davmor2 changes Laney to Jeeves
[11:36] <davmor2> foobarry: why not try it with uefi enabled instead
[11:36] <foobarry> i did originally
[11:36] <foobarry> will try again
[11:37] <davmor2> foobarry: you just need a 64bit os then with uefi enabled on it
[11:37] <foobarry> need to install OS again tho
[11:37] <foobarry> what do i need for UEFI? that bios-grub 1MB partition?
[12:35] <foobarry> https://www.facebook.com/FowlLanguageComics/photos/a.493300127413692.1073741826.481912555219116/1316068315136865/?type=3&theater
[12:35] <foobarry> lol
[12:39] <foobarry> UEFI mode, install "file system not found"
[12:39] <foobarry> with ubuntu
[12:41] <davmor2> foobarry: Dell has to see a file called bootx64.efi or it can't boot anything from memory you can manually add it though if you have installed it
[12:41] <foobarry> works with legacy mode now after trashing the whole disk
[13:23] <foobarry> ah gnome on wayland is an option on the ubuntu gnome login page
[14:12] <foobarry> my flirtation with gnomebuntu ended when it cooked my laptop
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> you should have had some vinegar to put on the chips!
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> if it had a nvidia chipset you could have cooked the fish too
[14:50] <foobarry> oh elementary i'm sorry for doubting you
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> yup - it's a well known fact that fish and chips tastes much better with Elementary OS
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> but for a superlative taste you need to cook it with
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> solus
[15:11] <SuperEngineer> [sorry for swearing / using the "s" word]
[15:11] <davmor2> soap
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> hmmm.... wondered why that lingering smell stayed even after closing windows
[16:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: this isn't funny dude I Can't find Nothing under your linkedin accounts Knows about section
[16:49] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: nothing heat related about nvidia gear in laptops
[16:49] <daftykins> very broad statement about UEFI on Dells there too, davmor2 - i doubt it's every single one :>
[16:51] <davmor2> daftykins: it is all uefi systems are designed to look for that as it is Windows default install file, and most will just stop looking if that file isn't there you can actually touch the file into place and then it will search and find it
[16:51] <davmor2> daftykins: most manufactures work around it
[16:52] <daftykins> yeah it sounded like you were trying to say they're all defective, which isn't accurate
[16:52] <davmor2> daftykins: Dells own ubuntu install contains the file
[16:52] <daftykins> and yip, gave many years of boot help over in #ubuntu :>
[16:52] <daftykins> still you made it out to be every single one :>
[16:52] <daftykins> (being locked to the Windows boot image, that is - which isn't accurate)
[16:53] <daftykins> preachin' to the choir
[17:35] <diddledan> daftykins: you can sing?!
[17:35] <diddledan> I thought that was a children's thing
[17:35] <daftykins> cor, the days might be shorts weather but the evenings definitely aren't :>
[17:36] <diddledan> I certainly haven't been able to sing ever since I got facefur
[17:37] <daftykins> that's no excuse!
[17:37] <diddledan> oh it is. I scare people if I try
[19:43]  * penguin42 wonders what that was supposed to be replaced by - a webpage which has [#code snippet_241_queue-it-IGGB-Apply-now-link#]  visible
[19:53] <diddledan> Immediately Giant Green Balls?
[19:53] <diddledan> it's an application for something
[20:49] <daftykins> In-case Giant Giraffes Bomb
[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> it's the mutant llamas you have to watch out for...
[20:54]  * penguin42 worries more about looming llamas and mutant monkeys
[20:54] <penguin42> or perhaps we should worry about the future effect on the naming standards
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> they could always use the creatures from the beastiary of d&d... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_1st_edition_monsters
[21:07] <daftykins> haha my mate that lives in Tokyo these days flew back to the UK for some physics award, they spelt 'physics' wrong on the certificate XD
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> oddly my landlord runs a travel agency and they had 4 clocks with times on the wall and tokyo was spelt toyko for 10+ years and no one noticed...
[21:10] <daftykins> :D
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, i picked up a bt shower radio for a tenner... a waterproof radio with bt funtionality... so you can take calls while washing your giblets... not sure the 21st century is going that well...
[21:50] <daftykins> is that all it does? no sending music to it too from said phone or some such?
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> oh you can send podcasts or music from any bt device to it... but i'd end up using it for fm radio mostly i suspect
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> ireland like the uk has a reasonably decent radio service even if we all complain about it all the time...
[22:08] <diddledan> BT functionality? similar to VirginMedia functionality?
[22:08] <diddledan> huh?
[22:08] <diddledan> wtf is a BT Shower Radio?!
[22:09] <diddledan> I didn't know they made such things. telephones they sell badged as BT but that's about it
[22:16] <daftykins> there's a telco engineer in his shower!
[22:16] <daftykins> still, he at least has a shower ;_;
[22:18] <penguin42> some people I know might get higher bandwidth through the plumbing
[22:20] <daftykins> :>
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> something like this... https://www.amazon.com/Vtin-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker-Waterproof/dp/B01JP8XRUM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1491949641&sr=8-8&keywords=bluetooth+shower+radio
[22:29] <popey> i have this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00T2BJ22U
[22:29] <popey> good for the price
[22:30] <popey> never taken a phone call with it, in the shower. don't plan to
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> again with a builtin microphone... is there a rash of people making calls from their showers?!
[22:31] <daftykins> there's a challenge for you both, call into BBC Radio 2 from mid-day tomorrow to join in on a chat show segment with Jeremy Vine
[22:31] <daftykins> start to make your point then just flick the shower on and go to town
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> sorry for the noise... i dropped the soap...
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> i'm just surprised they don't do a videophone version...
[22:34] <daftykins> it's probably coming!
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> the marketing department is just so narcisitic that they keep nicking them for /testing/