[00:19] <C[-_-]O> i aer mark is back on the helm
[00:20] <C[-_-]O> ear
[00:20] <C[-_-]O> anyone testing kubuntu?
[00:20] <C[-_-]O> is it booting :)
[00:24] <magkneetoe> C[-_-]O, are you running Kubuntu?
[00:25] <C[-_-]O> no thats why im asking
[00:26] <magkneetoe> :)
[00:41] <BlueProtoman> Is it possible to simulate a key press and have that key press forwarded to the window manager (e.g. so I can do something like mapping gamepad buttons to keyboard presses)?  In code, not as a user-level application
[00:41] <sere> is it possible to formart /boot if its on a seperate partition and reinstall grub
[00:45] <Aprel> Have to join multiple files on a drive with limited free space. Is there a smarter way than `cat file01 file02 ... > file` that doesn't take up 2x the original file size on drive during the joining process?
[00:45] <genii> man join
[00:46] <genii> Sorry, not join
[00:49] <wedgie> Aprel: if you don't find something better, you might consider doing it in steps: for file in <your list of files>; do cat -- "$file" >> combinedfile; rm -- "$file"; done
[00:51] <wedgie> Aprel: also consider asking in #bash. Maybe someone in there will have something slicker
[00:52] <Aprel> wedgie: ty, I'll try #bash also
[01:01] <potato> HI
[01:02] <Guest75290> is anyone there?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> Guest75290: 1811 nicks .. what is your thought ?
[01:04] <Guest75290> may i have a question about firewall
[01:04] <Bashing-om> !ask | Guest75290 Standard response:
[01:05] <Guest75290> Last night I did a most annoying mistake. On a Ubuntu 16 server I enables ufw and forgot to allow ssh. Then I logged off.  Naturally I am now locked out with ssh.
[01:07] <Keamy> cheers
[01:07] <Keamy> well my problem is appearing during the installation of ubuntu on my computer. i have a windows 7 laptop, not in its best condition but working. unfortunally windows doesn't work at all,won't even load until login. but i can access all my files using a bootable usb with a linux dist on it. now i want to install ubunto on my computer. i downloaded ubuntu desktop amd64 and installed it on a usb with unetbootin
[01:07] <Keamy> or what its called. but after booting it, it gave me error warnings right away and didnt even let me reach the installation process. same prob with a dvd.
[01:08] <Bashing-om> Guest75290: You do not say - but do you have physical access to the server ?
[01:09] <Guest75290> no, i have built it on EC2
[01:10] <Bashing-om> Keamy: Show the channel on a pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' . let's see if there are partitions available for ubuntu to install to .
[01:14] <nacc> Guest75290: you might ask in #ubuntu-server as well, but do you have any access to a 'console' from aws tooling?
[01:15] <Guest75290> i have no idea about that since i am new to ec2
[01:16] <nacc> Guest75290: if you are new to ec2, can you just trash your instance and start a new one? and don't make that mistake? :)
[01:16] <Keamy> bashing-om well i planned to overwrite all existing data during installation.. but it fails during the main installation.
[01:17] <Bashing-om> Keamy: Still of interest is ' parted -l ' and also now 'sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[01:18] <texla> I need to find the mfg name and part number of my cd/dvd drive...what command should I use to find this info??
[01:19] <Guest75290> thank you, because i have already installed mautic in the server
[01:19] <Guest75290> i will look for some solutions for this issue, thank you.
[01:24] <doge-doge> hey guys, has anyone actually tested the upgrade path from 16.10 to 17.04 on an existing luks install?
[01:25] <doge-doge> so far there's been 1 guy who said he lost his luks partition after upgrading
[01:25] <doge-doge> i haven't heard anything else
[01:27] <doge-doge> i feel like this is such niche issue that it won't be caught before release in 3 days
[01:27] <doge-doge> figured someone here tested it...
[01:28] <doge-doge> meow
[01:29] <bazhang> doge-doge, #ubuntu+1 for 17.04
[01:30] <doge-doge> thanks
[01:33] <deaincaelo> So, is there anyone who knows about mscorefonts? I've been trying to get it installed 6 ways from sunday and it's all failed.
[01:36] <syntaks> is there an nvidia/linux dev channel by chance that someone's aware of?
[01:37] <deaincaelo> there should be a channel list
[01:37] <syntaks> oh wow
[01:37] <bazhang> syntaks, dev for what
[01:37] <Random832> deaincaelo, download the cab files directly from https://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/files/the%20fonts/final/ and install manually into ~/.fonts
[01:37] <syntaks> #nvidia - imagine that heh
[01:38] <syntaks> bazhang: kernel beta drivers, etc. i'm on 4.11 and need drivers
[01:38] <syntaks> there's nothing available at the moment though so i wanted to keep in the loop
[01:38] <bazhang> syntaks, it's doubtful any devs hangout there
[01:39] <deaincaelo> I have them downloaded already, and I ran reconfigure, but it failed. how can I install them manually into fonts?
[01:39] <scooterd> hello guys and girls  is bashing-om here
[01:48] <yukip> ubuntu offtopic? general discussion channel?
[01:49] <Bashing-om> yukip: #ubuntu-offtopic .
[01:49] <yukip> ty
[01:57] <ScioMin> If I install a .deb file, will it be auto updated using apt-get upgrade? For example this deb: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.18/virtualbox-5.1_5.1.18-114002~Ubuntu~xenial_amd64.deb
[01:58] <ScioMin> Or do I have to add "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian xenial contrib" to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:05] <deaincaelo> okay, I've copy/pasted the mscorefonts files to every directory I could find that says fonts. Still no luck.
[02:05] <jaith> I just noticed that cron doesn't source the .bashrc file. Can anyone recommend an elegant way to have cron source this file for all of my cron jobs in my crontab? I'm running perhaps a dozen cron jobs and they all need certain environment variables exported to funcion. It seems tedious to me to have to add source ~/.bashrc to every single line
[02:05] <james__> hi
[02:05] <thanuja> hi
[02:06] <james__> what r yalltalking about
[02:07] <Bashing-om> james__: ubuntu operating system support .
[02:07] <implite> !ot
[02:08] <jaith> anyone know how to force cron to source .bashrc for all commands?
[02:08] <james__> is this all this is is a support group
[02:08] <implite> I wish i could help you jaith
[02:09] <implite> i dont know the first thing about it but i could try to learn
[02:09] <jaith> james__: i think the idea is to keep chitchat to a mininum and focus on real problems. If you have questions, try RFTM https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[02:09] <james__> does any one know how to speed up the system
[02:10] <implite> tinylinux
[02:10] <james__> what is that
[02:10] <Bashing-om> james__: Install more ram .. install a SSD . These work wonders .
[02:11] <james__> i have an hp mini with 2 gb of ram
[02:11] <implite> I have ssd installed
[02:11] <james__> how big
[02:11] <implite> only 256gb
[02:11] <implite> but really fast one
[02:12] <implite> faster is better for games
[02:12] <implite> and stuff
[02:12] <deaincaelo> I got it. I was making a typo to the directory. tyvm for trying to help.
[02:12] <implite> transfer rates are over 500mbps
[02:13] <james__> mine lags on start up and also on the the internet browser
[02:13] <implite> you can make an old computer really fast if you know what your installing and if the computer can handle it
[02:14] <james__> i installed a 32 bit os on it
[02:15] <Bashing-om> james__: Under normal operating condition - with sevral tabs open in your browser - what does terminal command ' frr -m ' reveal about how hard swap is hit ?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> harrymm: typo - free -m - .
[02:16] <james__> Mem:           2005         794         242         161         968         800
[02:16] <james__> Swap:          2037         147        1890
[02:18] <james__> avakivle is 800
[02:18] <james__> avalible
[02:18] <OerHeks> james__, "lags on start up" how long does starting take?
[02:18] <james__> 3 to 4 minuts
[02:19] <OerHeks> that is ugly long, unless you have samba shares and wireless
[02:20] <james__> i have wireless on i thought installing another gig of ram would make it faster but it didnt
[02:21] <darkr0ck3t> hello, can someone assist with a SFTP issue please?
[02:23] <Mcmatrix> hey dark0ck3t what prob do you have with SFTP so that i can clarify you on it
[02:24] <minimec> james__: Can you once run 'sudo systemd-analize blame' in a terminal. It should show all the booted services and the time they took to boot up.
[02:24] <darkr0ck3t> i have my pub key linked with my server, and am able to login to sftp but not transfer files
[02:25] <minimec> james__: it's 'sudo systemd-analyze blame' sorry...
[02:25] <jaith> can anyone suggest an elegant way to source .bashrc for *all* of the commands in my crontab? For some reason, scripts executed via cron do not see the vars exported in .bashrc
[02:29] <james__> i siad it taqkes 11.685s
[02:30] <james__> it
[02:30] <arunpyasi> Please help me with that SIM900A modem, its still not working... It worked fine on my friend's windows machine but not in linux.
[02:44] <azizLIGHT> I was fiddling with USB 2.0 hub wires and suddenly the hub's power light started flickering. Now when I plug my USB wireless keyboard/mouse nano adapter, it's not working and /var/log/kern.log says this type of stuff: http://i.imgur.com/2wDLcMg.jpg
[02:44] <azizLIGHT> Please help, I'm having to use my computer with TeamViewer.. Cannot use keyboard mouse
[02:46] <minimec> azizLIGHT: shutdown the machine, verify that all the plugs fit well..., reboot the computer.
[02:46] <matt__> shoukd i update ubuntu 16.04 to 16.10
[02:47] <OerHeks> matt if you need to ask, no, stay on LTS.
[02:47] <matt__> im thinking about upgrqding because kf e features
[02:47] <azizLIGHT> minimec: I can't shut down because I'm running bad blocks process
[02:47] <loki3624> is there a fedora support channel or someone willing to help me out?
[02:48] <matt__> upgrading because of the features added
[02:48] <matt__> no one on this channel uses fedora
[02:48] <OerHeks> try #fedora or ##fedora ?
[02:49] <OerHeks> !alis
[02:49] <minimec> azizLIGHT: You should NOT do ather stuff, hwen running disk verification... And definitely not 'fiddeling with USB 2.0 hub wired' while doing so... Just my opinion... ;)
[02:51] <azizLIGHT> I shouldn't but I did
[02:52] <minimec> matt__: I have a running fedora here... If it's about fedora 24-25 upgrade... That should be no problem. I would not go fedora 26 right now, as it's only 'alpha'
[02:53] <loki3624> ‎[Channel]‎ Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services. I've registered but this happens
[02:54] <kostkon> !register | loki3624
[02:54] <OerHeks> loki3624, maybe you did, but you are logged in unregistered
[02:54] <ChaiTRex> loki3624: You need to identify (/msg nickserv help identify). Make sure you do it in another tab besides a chat.
[02:55] <dax> (Note: your current nick is not a registered account, so if you think it is, you perhaps did not successfully register)
[02:55] <dax> (also: #freenode is probably a better place for this, since #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support)
[03:09] <darkr0ck3t> why can i download files with SFTP but when trying to upload to the same file path i get a permission denied
[03:13] <minimec> darkr0ck3t: permission problems. You have read permissiona, bot nor write permissions to the folder you want to upload to.
[03:14] <darkr0ck3t> ok, thats what im looking at now, just trying to figure out what needs to be done
[03:14] <darkr0ck3t> thanks
[03:14] <ChaiTRex> darkr0ck3t: Is this for website files?
[03:14] <darkr0ck3t> yes
[03:15] <ChaiTRex> darkr0ck3t: See https://serverfault.com/questions/357108/what-permissions-should-my-website-files-folders-have-on-a-linux-webserver
[03:15] <ChaiTRex> darkr0ck3t: It goes into detail about how to set things up nicely.
[03:15] <darkr0ck3t> noticed its for apache does this work with nginx as well
[03:16] <darkr0ck3t> nm i think i looked at this wrong
[03:16] <ChaiTRex> darkr0ck3t: Yeah, you just need to figure out which user nginx runs under.
[03:16] <darkr0ck3t> ok thanks again
[03:16] <ChaiTRex> darkr0ck3t: You're welcome.
[03:49] <oppa> hoo
[03:58] <wagle> whats the correct syntax for this: ufw allow "Nginx Full" from 50.51.52.53  ?
[04:08] <heywood> i'm getting an odd permission error when trying to start darkice (an audio streamer) via sudo. the strace output contains the following lines:
[04:08] <heywood> stat("/home/heywood", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
[04:09] <heywood> getuid()                                = 0
[04:09] <heywood> write(2, "Home directory not accessible: P"..., 49Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
[04:09] <heywood> ) = 49
[04:09] <heywood> any idea how i might troubleshoot that?
[04:14] <Ben64> heywood: why are you running it with sudo
[04:15] <heywood> Ben64: for this particular application, darkice needs POSIX real-time scheduling. thus it needs to run as root. (i've been running it that way for several years on an older Ubuntu 12.04 LTS box without any issues.)
[04:16] <Ben64> heywood: what do you mean by that
[04:16] <alwan> Folks, what do you think about the canonical announcement to drop unity desktop in next LTS?
[04:17] <heywood> Ben64: this stream needs to be as skip-free as possible. running as root runs the process at a (much?) higher priority, so the stream doesn't skip. running as non-root causes dropouts.
[04:17] <heywood> darkice itself says as much if you start it without sudo:
[04:17] <heywood> Could not set POSIX real-time scheduling, this may cause recording skips.
[04:17] <heywood> Try to run darkice as the super-user.
[04:17] <Ben64> heywood: you can change priority on a process not run by root
[04:19] <ChaiTRex> alwan: I was happy to hear they were switching to xmonad.
[04:20] <azizLIGHT> my usb ports stopped working... kern.log: https://paste.linux.community/view/4f3e2ecd
[04:20] <azizLIGHT> Any advice besides rebooting?
[04:21] <azizLIGHT> Any description of what's happening f
[04:21] <azizLIGHT> In the log?
[04:23] <heywood> Ben64: if you're talking about re-nicing the process, then yes, i'm aware of that. i don't understand the low-level POSIX scheduling stuff at all, but i do know that the application for which i'm using darkice (streaming audio to a liveatc server) explicitly recommends running with sudo.
[04:24] <Ben64> running things as root is a Bad Idea™
[04:25] <heywood> anyway, that part isn't the problem. there's something weird going on with file/directory permissions. if i do sudo su, then launch darkice from the root prompt, i don't get the "Home directory not accessible" error. but if i run darkice as myself (regular user), but via sudo, i get the error. i'm totally confused by why this happens.
[04:25] <Ben64> well you should never sudo su
[04:25] <Ben64> and the problems are probably from your cavalier use of sudo
[04:26] <heywood> the only reason i mention sudo su is that it is the only way i can invoke darkice without generating that permission error. if i just run it as sudo, i get the error. i don't understand that at all.
[04:26] <Ben64> right, but using sudo su is wrong in every case
[04:27] <heywood> and if by "cavalier" you mean "following the explicit instructions of the developers of a widely-used audio streamer," then… yeah, i guess i'm being cavalier.
[04:28] <heywood> any idea why running it via sudo su doesn't trigger that error, but running it by just sudo does?
[04:28] <Ben64> because you screwed up things by using sudo improperly
[04:29] <heywood> how do you mean. are you suggesting that some file or directory's permissions got corrupted?
[04:30] <awesomess3> what's that meta-package that installs all of the bareminimum building packages?
[04:31] <awesomess3> for gcc and stuff
[04:31] <heywood> more to the point, if i'm using sudo improperly, as you say, then how would you suggest invoking darkice correctly?
[04:31] <kk4ewt> vuild-essentuails or something like that
[04:31] <kk4ewt> build
[04:33] <Ben64> heywood: i'd run it as my user, and renice it
[04:33] <ThePortWhisperer> hi, i added a network drive to my box via "online accounts" and the drive was hanging while loading contents
[04:34] <ThePortWhisperer> soon i could not open any directories with the GUI so i shutdown my box. now when i start it up, it freezes during boot at  "[OK] Started User Manager for UID 132
[04:35] <ThePortWhisperer> i can still boot into recovery mode
[04:36] <Ben64> ThePortWhisperer: what os are you running
[04:36] <ThePortWhisperer> its debian..when i googled the only folks with same issue were on ubuntu
[04:37] <Ben64> then you need to ask in #debian
[04:38] <cfoch-always> hi
[04:39] <cfoch-always> whats the channel for developers?
[04:39] <awesomess3> ThePortWhisperer: oh you screwed up now you should've lied and said ubuntu. Then when they asked you what version you say 8.04 Jessie's Sauce
[04:39] <ThePortWhisperer> lol
[04:39] <ThePortWhisperer> yeah i dont think distro matters here anyways, ubuntu users get the same thing
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> cfoch-always: #ubuntu-devel
[04:41] <awesomess3> ThePortWhisperer: do you think the network drive GUI depends on......................the DE system?
[04:41] <heywood> Ben64: i can certainly try that. as built, darkice runs with priority 4. i don't know how close to -20 it needs to be to be sufficiently skip-free, but i can do a bit of trial and error. thanks.
[04:42] <ThePortWhisperer> awesomess3, no idea, i just started using nix and not as a sysadmin
[04:42] <Ben64> ThePortWhisperer: this channel only supports Ubuntu
[04:42] <ThePortWhisperer> ben64 thumbs up mate.
[04:43] <Ben64> heywood: as for your sudo problem, step 1 - don't use 'sudo su' ever, step 2.... does this return anything? "find ~ \! -user $USER -print"
[04:44] <cfoch-always> is there some project related to GNOME (particular of Ubuntu) I can contribute to?
[04:44] <awesomess3> ThePortWhisperer: only ubuntu can't you read the channel name! (may want to try another DE, there is XFCE, LXDE, KDE, Cinammon, MATE, & Gnome 3.* as the popular ones I've seen. .......you can always try an Ubuntu LiveUSB to try Ubuntu's ........ummm...default DE's ummm... Folder manager that I guess can access network drives? *shrugs*)
[04:45] <ThePortWhisperer> awesomess3, very many good ideas, not enough time to try them all
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | cfoch-always
[04:46] <heywood>  Ben64: no. i already tried that. and also "chown -R heywood /home/heywood", as discussed in detail at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6208727
[04:47] <awesomess3> ThePortWhisperer: there may be a package you need to install to get the network part working, maybe even some sort of samba server.
[04:47] <awesomess3> samba server/service/daemon
[04:47] <awesomess3> ubuntu is good at having that installed by default
[04:47] <awesomess3> because EVERYONE has a samba server connected to their computer, right Ben64?..........right?
[04:48] <Ben64> awesomess3: what are you on about
[04:48] <awesomess3> Ooohh Ben64. Good ol' Ben64 .
[04:48] <awesomess3> You know I used to play Body Harvest 64
[04:49] <awesomess3> The best game on Nintendo 64
[04:50] <raj> why is ubuntu so far behind on irssi versions?
[04:50] <Ben64> !latest | raj
[04:50] <raj> apt-get gave me 0.8.19
[04:50] <raj> 1.0 is available
[04:51] <awesomess3> raj: you got me beat my repositories on 0.8.15
[04:52] <awesomess3> raj: basically Ubuntu only releases security updates. Like Firefox every update is almost always a security one, so Ubuntu always has the latest firefox.
[04:55] <awesomess3> However my gparted still crashes when creating a fat32, but even then, Ubuntu keeps it at its version.........................................................so that's one of the plus sides of using windows. because then you can just uninstall and reinstall software that doesn't exist on Windows.
[04:55] <awesomess3> why doesn't windows have gparted :|
[04:58] <cfoch-always> lotuspsychje: ubottu: I am interested in design
[04:59] <cfoch-always> but Ubuntu website talks about Unity yet
[04:59] <cfoch-always> I think the page in't up to date
[04:59] <raj> what command would let me know which files in a directory are symlinks?
[05:00] <ClydeSlims> I'm trying to connect to my laptop's VNC server (Ubuntu 16.04) from my Windows 10 TightVNC client. I looked up a guide but every time I connect, it shows an Xfce interface. I just want the normal ubuntu interface when using TightVNC. How do I do this?
[05:00] <cfoch-always> Ubuntu will use GNOME now, right¡
[05:00] <cfoch-always> ?
[05:00] <cfhowlett> as of 18.04
[05:01] <awesomess3> raj:   `man find`  `info find`  `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pinfo && pinfo find` #pinfo is a little easier because you can use the arrow keys to maneuver easier.
[05:02] <ClydeSlims> I'm trying to connect to my laptop's VNC server (Ubuntu 16.04) from my Windows 10 TightVNC client. I looked up a guide but every time I connect, it shows an Xfce interface. I just want the normal ubuntu interface when using TightVNC. How do I do this?
[05:02] <ClydeSlims> oops
[05:02] <cfoch-always> have you aread y started with 18.04 development?
[05:02] <cfoch-always> *already
[05:02] <ClydeSlims> Like I want exactly what's being shown on my laptop to be shown on the TightVNC client on Windows.
[05:02] <cfhowlett> cfoch-always, no
[05:02] <raj> awesomess3, ls doesn't have a switch that would let me know which of the files in the current directory are symlinks?
[05:02] <cfoch-always> when do you plan to do it?
[05:02] <awesomess3> raj: here's a starter pack that doesn't work:     `find ~/directory/with/symlinks -type f -maxdepth 1 #will list the files that are regular files in that directory.`
[05:03] <awesomess3> raj: I think `ls` just highlights symlinks
[05:03] <Ben64> raj: find -type l
[05:05] <h3ndr1ku5> how to check what driver ny wifi uses?
[05:06] <awesomess3> ClydeSlims: soooooooooooooooooooooooooo......that doesn't make sense, how would your Ubuntu server through your VNC server an XFCE4 interface when Ubuntu uses Unity? Does your Ubuntu install even have any xfce4 packages installed?
[05:06] <awesomess3> h3ndr1ku5: get-wifi-drivers
[05:06] <ClydeSlims> awesomess3, I don't know. I was reading a guide on how to setup a vnc server and now whenever I connect to it, it shows an xfce interface despite that I'm running unity..
[05:07] <ClydeSlims> Guide in question: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[05:07] <h3ndr1ku5> i have just need to know what driver im using now becouse cant get it work on other pc with same specs
[05:08] <geirha> ClydeSlims: that xstartup script is specifically starting xfce
[05:09] <awesomess3> h3ndr1ku5: lspci -k
[05:09] <awesomess3> h3ndr1ku5: man lspci
[05:09] <awesomess3> h3ndr1ku5: #and search 'kernel'
[05:10] <h3ndr1ku5> ok
[05:10] <h3ndr1ku5> thanks
[05:10] <awesomess3> ClydeSlims: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................................you're gonna have to dig deep
[05:10] <awesomess3> ClydeSlims: like config files
[05:10] <ClydeSlims> geirha, so just remove it?
[05:11] <awesomess3> ClydeSlims: ummmm maybe just comment it out `nano ~/.xinitrc #I'm 3% sure this should work.`
[05:12] <ClydeSlims> awesomess3, should I just remove the entire script?
[05:13] <awesomess3> ClydeSlims: edit it or back it up because you may want it later:   `mv ~/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc_keeping`
[05:13] <cfhowlett> ClydeSlims, the very first step in your tutorial installs xfce4 and step 2 invokes it.   perhaps purge xfce4 and substitute unity?
[05:14] <ClydeSlims> cfhowlett, how do I substitute unity? I purged xfce4
[05:15] <ClydeSlims> Ahh, I commented out #startxfce4 &  from the xstartup file and removed xfce4 but now whenever I vnc to it, it shows a checkered screen and an 'X' cursor icon for the mouse
[05:16] <cfhowlett> because no DE specified.  apt install unity
[05:17] <ClydeSlims> cfhowlett, nope, same screen.
[05:17] <ClydeSlims> Hmm, how do I completely remove this vnc server so I can try another guide?
[05:20] <pvh_sa> hey everyone... I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and have had a problem for a few weeks where, each time I change network, DNS stops working. Killing the dnsmasq process and letting it respawn solves this. Any idea how to fix this properly?
[05:23] <azizLIGHT> Is there a way to use USB keyboard mouse without using a USB port
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> Besides vnc
[05:24] <hateball> azizLIGHT: Synergy
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> Oh lucky for me I have that
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> Forgot
[05:27] <domgetter> If I want to install this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/efl Don't I just `sudo apt-get install efl`?  Or am I way off base?
[05:27] <azizLIGHT> Any other way?
[05:27] <azizLIGHT> Normally I have my computer setup as server on synergy, but I need the reverse case
[05:27] <azizLIGHT> This time
[05:28] <ifro_> ds
[05:30] <raj> where is libhtml-entities-perl in apt?
[05:31] <hateball> raj: apt search libhtml|grep perl
[05:31] <hateball> or better to grep entities I guess
[05:33] <domgetter> Am I wrong to assume that this is a package I can install with apt-get? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/efl
[05:33] <lucas-arg> i have this mouse (touchpad) ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse  and it freezes some times, i dont know what to do (tried adding i8042.nomux=1 and .reset to boot options) but problem persists
[05:34] <lucas-arg> any help??
[05:34] <geirha> domgetter: if you're on 16.04 or newer, apt install efl  should install it
[05:35] <domgetter> geirha: I get "E: Unable to locate package efl"
[05:36] <geirha> domgetter: What does   lsb_release -sd   output?
[05:37] <domgetter> geirha: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
[05:37] <domgetter> Are they not similar enough for this?
[05:37] <geirha> Linux mint is a completely different OS, and not supported here
[05:37] <cfhowlett> domgetter, mint is not supported in the ubuntu channels.  use the mint support options
[05:38] <cfhowlett> !mint | domgetter
[05:38] <demosthenes> !MirtheN Aldous_Huxley_-_Brave_New_World.epub
[05:38] <cfhowlett> demosthenes, spam is not welcome here.  don't be rude
[05:39] <domgetter> Is this not an aptitude question?
[05:39] <cfhowlett> domgetter, doesnt matter.  you are using an OS that is not supported here.   use your OS support options or install ubuntu
[05:40] <krytarik> It isn't actually, but repos.
[05:42] <krytarik> Well, plus that's the name of the source package, not the binary.
[05:42] <domgetter> krytarik I'm a newbie about this sort of stuff.  Do you have any resources that might point me in the right direction?
[05:43] <domgetter> Was I wrong in assuming that if that webpage had that listed as a "package", that I could use aptitude to install it?
[05:43] <domgetter> Assuming I was on Ubuntu
[05:43] <geirha> mint is not ubunu, so that assumption was wrong, yes
[05:44] <cfhowlett> domgetter, dude. you are NOT using ubuntu.  we will NOT suppport you here
[05:44] <geirha> The package in xenial is named efl according to that page
[05:44] <geirha> !info efl
[05:44] <geirha> Hm. !info doesn't include universe packages?
[05:44] <krytarik> geirha: No, you're just wrong.
[05:45] <domgetter> cfhowlett I changed my question to assume I was using Ubuntu
[05:46] <cfhowlett> domgetter, install ubuntu.  then we talk.
[05:46] <geirha> Oh, right, the binary packages are listed further down. I misread.
[05:48] <domgetter> Okay I'm on an Ubuntu 14.04 box now.
[05:49] <krytarik> Prove it. >_>
[05:49] <geirha> 14.04 is too old
[05:49] <krytarik> But supported still.
[05:49] <domgetter> " This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors, versions 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, 16.10 "
[05:50] <domgetter> krytarik fine.  what do you need?
[05:50] <cfhowlett> domgetter, lsb_release -a | pastebinit
[05:50] <geirha> too old for efl, which was introduced for vivid
[05:50] <krytarik> Right.
[05:51] <domgetter> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24359127/
[05:52] <krytarik> Or in Utopic really.
[05:52] <geirha> I'm guessing e17 is the predecessor
[05:53] <domgetter> So was I wrong in assuming that if that webpage had that listed as a "package", that I could use aptitude to install it?
[05:53] <cfhowlett> aptitude has been deprecated for years now ...
[05:54] <domgetter> cfhowlett I thought that was the full name for apt-get.  Sorry if I'm getting things wrong
[05:55] <cfhowlett> domgetter, apt-get also deprecated.  use apt        e.g. apt install packagename
[05:55] <krytarik> That's not quite the case either.
[05:55] <geirha> apt-get should be preferred for non-interactive use
[05:56] <domgetter> So was I wrong in assuming that if that webpage had that listed as a "package", that I could use apt to install it?
[05:56] <cfhowlett> domgetter, if the package is a .deb, install with apt.
[05:56] <geirha> so I take it neither are officially deprecated, which is good, because aptitude is the best apt frontend I know of
[05:57] <domgetter> cfhowlett I don't know enough to know if you've answered my question
[05:57] <cfhowlett> domgetter, does the package name end in .deb?  then apt is your app
[05:58] <domgetter> cfhowlett: If I'm getting "E: Unable to locate package efl" does that mean that the package name doesn't end in .deb?
[05:59] <cfhowlett> domgetter, more likely the package name is off.
[05:59] <domgetter> So when I read this page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/efl Where do I look for the "package name"?
[05:59] <kostkon> !find efl
[05:59] <geirha> domgetter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcepub/6091379/+listing-archive-extra  this shows information for efl in xenial. The packages listed under built packages are the ones you could've installed with apt if you were on xenial (ubuntu 16.04)
[05:59] <Ancer> If you dont have the repositories you cant apt-get
[06:00] <kostkon> domgetter, looks like there's no package with the name efl
[06:00] <awesomess3> cfhowlett: ooooo good call I always keep forgetting about apt and using `apt-get` all of the time. `apt-get` still works 90% of the time I guess anyways so.....*shrugs*
[06:01] <cfhowlett> Awesomecase, it's all same same
[06:01] <Ancer> if no .deb just compile it from the source
[06:02] <cfhowlett> ... "just" ...  :)
[06:02] <awesomess3> cfhowlett: that is true true
[06:02] <domgetter> I'm obviously missing something very fundamental here.  Is the link I provided *not* a listing of a package?
[06:02] <geirha> domgetter: source package
[06:02] <domgetter> Even though it says "efl pachage in Ubuntu"?
[06:03] <awesomess3> Ancer: or with firefox you just download the .tar.bz2, extract, and run.
[06:03] <domgetter> geirha okay I don't know what that means or what the difference is.  Is there somewhere I can read up on that/
[06:03] <kostkon> domgetter, source package means apt-get source package_name
[06:03] <geirha> domgetter: See the last link, it shows the actual binary packages built from the efl sources
[06:04] <cfhowlett> domgetter, your page shows multiple hits for "efl" in the ubuntu package universe.  for the efl package specifically, I think you want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/efl/1.8.6-2.5
[06:05] <ClydeSlims> I've tried everything to get my laptop to not suspend when the lid is closed but no matter what I do, it always suspends. Anyone know how to solve this? Ubuntu 16.04
[06:06] <thereyougo> any suggestions of console IRC client alternative to irssi ? except weechat
[06:07] <thereyougo> ClydeSlims: what is in your cat /etc/acpi/events/default ?
[06:07] <caesar> hi everyone
[06:07] <domgetter> Alright, well thank you for all your patience, everyone.
[06:08] <domgetter> I still don't understand how to install this thing, but I guess I learned that there's a difference between packages and source packages, though I don't know what that difference is
[06:10] <ClydeSlims> thereyougo, there's no default
[06:11] <domgetter> cfhowlett do you have any suggestions about where I should go to ask about installing your last link?
[06:13] <cfhowlett> domgetter, actually, if download the .gz file and double click, it will extract.  there's an install link inside
[06:13] <cfhowlett> with instructions to compile from source
[06:14] <domgetter> cfhowlett alright, thank you
[06:14] <cfhowlett> domgetter, happy2help!
[06:15] <krytarik> Hah. Why..?
[06:19] <ClydeSlims> I've tried everything to get my laptop to not suspend when the lid is closed but no matter what I do, it always suspends. Anyone know how to solve this? Ubuntu 16.04
[06:23] <krytarik> ClydeSlims: You realize that without telling us what all you tried, no one can make any suggestion? :P
[06:24] <ClydeSlims> krytarik, I've tried manually setting it from the power settings, editing logind.conf, editing UPower.conf
[06:24] <ClydeSlims> I'm out of ideas
[06:25] <ClydeSlims> nothing works. Every time I close the lid, it always suspends.
[06:30] <krytarik> You might share any details regarding the exact instructions, your execution of them.. and well I guess we know the result of each. :)
[06:33] <ClydeSlims> I've tried editing UPower.Conf and setting IgnoreLid=true, editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf and setting HandleLidSwitch=ignore, and also manually editing the power settings and setting 'Lid closed' to 'Do nothing'. Nothing seems to work, it always suspends the laptop when I close the lid.
[06:33] <ClydeSlims> krytarik, that's what I did.
[06:49] <skits> In 16.04 is there some quirk or change that would cause problems with ip's showing instead of dns? I only ask here because i tried both nginx/apache and they both do it after install.
[06:51] <Ben64> skits: not sure what you mean
[06:57] <awesomess3> skits: sudo netstat -taupWe --numeric-ports
[06:57] <awesomess3> skits: sudo netstat -taupWe
[06:57] <skits> I setup a new 1604 droplet(several times) All times I used either a lemp or a lamp setup. I forwarded my domains and did the config/vhost setup each time.  Domain names bring me to the correct place but will not show the domain name. It shows the public ip of the server instead.  I did a 14.04 setup to confirm and it works fine there.
[06:58] <awesomess3> skits: the second one should show you the domains
[06:58] <awesomess3> skits: `man netstat`
[06:59] <awesomess3> skits: where exactly do you want these "domain names" to show up versus the "ip addresses"
[06:59] <awesomess3> ?
[06:59] <awesomess3> netstat shows you your open ports
[06:59] <skits> Just browser url
[06:59] <awesomess3> and connections
[06:59] <awesomess3> listening udp servers/daemons
[07:00] <awesomess3> skits: `cat /etc/hosts`
[07:00] <awesomess3> I actually don't care about helping, I'm just guessing wildly that these suggestions might help
[07:22] <Gjerber> Hi! I have a text file with lots of timestamps in the form of ts:1491895192 that I want to convert to readable time. There are other places with ten digits that shouldn't be converted so it should only change ten digits that come directly after a "ts:" string. What's the best way to do this?
[07:23] <Delvien> Gjerber: While I would like to know the answer to that as well, this channel is for ubuntu support
[07:24] <Gjerber> Oh sorry, I thought it could be for more general Linux questions. I wil find a better place for that question!
[07:24] <OerHeks> Gjerber, look for "unix timestamp to readable time", time.strftime should do something according to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3682748/converting-unix-timestamp-string-to-readable-date-in-python
[07:26] <s421811> ...
[07:32] <awesomess3> Text files without encryption!!! get that shit gziped and rethink life. This is #linux, this is not the junior varsity, this is the varsity league.
[07:33] <awesomess3> Oh no this is #ubuntu!
[07:33] <awesomess3> shoot!
[07:33] <awesomess3> But still, #ubuntu is varsity too.
[07:34] <awesomess3> we're all like the NSA and CIA and Naval warfare research facilities deep underground.
[07:37] <Volund> So there are two different Ubuntu machines on my network. I'd like to share folders on one and mount them on the other - so, basically, mount a network filesystem. I think the most OBVIOUS way to do this is Samba as a Windows share, but are there others?
[07:38] <ducasse> _yeeve: imo the most obvious way is nfs
[07:38] <Volund> nfs :o
[07:38]  * Volund investigates
[07:38] <ducasse> very easy to set up.
[07:39] <awesomess3> Yeah Samba is really only if you have to access Windows and you want Windows to interface to Linux. While that would work with 2 linuxes...... blah I don't care.
[07:53] <Linuxmeister> Hey there, quick question. Yesterday my WiFi was working perfectly fine, rebooted several times and the network manager widget was always there. Then when I turn it on this morning it doesn't show up anymore. What can I do to fix this
[07:54] <Linuxmeister> I already tried restarting network manager and rebooting but nothing works
[07:54] <Linuxmeister> I connected my usb WiFi card and it still doesn't show up
[08:08] <r_dudau> um
[08:08] <r_dudau> hello
[08:08] <r_dudau> hellooooo
[08:09] <joe___> Hi
[08:09] <r_dudau> um, hi
[08:09] <r_dudau> im new
[08:09] <joe___> Me too
[08:09] <r_dudau> i would have a question
[08:09] <OerHeks> :-)
[08:09] <r_dudau> do someone know how to personalize the ubuntu mate desktop
[08:09] <r_dudau> ?
[08:10] <OerHeks> !info mate-tweak
[08:10] <r_dudau> ???
[08:10] <r_dudau> ????
[08:10] <joe___> I don't use Mate, so I'm probably not the best person to ask
[08:10] <OerHeks> there is the mate-tweak package, and i am sure there are lots of themes to find
[08:10] <r_dudau> oh ok
[08:11] <r_dudau> im at work XD
[08:11] <k1l> r_dudau: where do you have issues?
[08:11] <r_dudau> well, i dont have any issues
[08:11] <ducasse> !theme | r_dudau
[08:12] <k1l> r_dudau: so you want us search for themes for you? :)
[08:12] <r_dudau> i just want to personalize my ubuntu mate desktop
[08:12] <r_dudau> how do i serch themes
[08:12] <r_dudau> _
[08:12] <joe___> It's 2:00 a.m, I should be working on a paper for my public speaking class, and I decided to spend my time learning how to use IRC.  I clearly have my priorities in order...
[08:12] <r_dudau> im new on ubuntu
[08:12] <r_dudau> and im using ubuntu mate
[08:13] <r_dudau> how do i search themes
[08:13] <ducasse> r_dudau: see the sites ubottu linked you to
[08:13] <r_dudau> _
[08:13] <k1l> r_dudau: its the same workflow as when you would be using windows: search the internet for a theme you like, install that theme.
[08:13] <r_dudau> umm
[08:13] <r_dudau> ok then
[08:13] <k1l> r_dudau: the bot linked you already known linux theme websites. you just need to choose one you like.
[08:13] <joe___> That's pretty much applicable to most window managers and DE's.
[08:14] <OerHeks> install synaptic, more detailed softwarecenter, and go wild
[08:14] <r_dudau> im sorry, where are those links
[08:14] <k1l> r_dudau: https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/136/ord/latest/ you need gtk2 themes
[08:15] <r_dudau> oh ok
[08:15] <r_dudau> oh ok
[08:15] <k1l> r_dudau: you do understand german?
[08:15] <r_dudau> yes
[08:15] <k1l> then look at the german wiki for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/MATE_Desktop_anpassen/
[08:15] <r_dudau> but i dont like to speack it that much
[08:16] <r_dudau> thx guys
[08:16] <r_dudau> :D
[08:16] <r_dudau> did someone heard about mirai botnet_
[08:16] <r_dudau> ?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> r_dudau, topic here is ubuntu support.  stay on topic please.
[08:17] <r_dudau> oh, srz
[08:17] <r_dudau> sry
[08:17] <OerHeks> easy on the enter, i lost focus
[08:17] <joe___> What Ubuntu flavor is everyone using?
[08:18] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat r_dudau
[08:18] <OerHeks> polling is useless
[08:18] <k1l> joe___: the one they like :)
[08:18] <OerHeks> 1835 answers ..
[08:18] <as_> hello, I use ubuntu14.04LTS, and when i hit the poweroff button at tty1-6, the system shutdown immediately?? is this a bug?
[08:18] <joe___> Fair enough :)
[08:18] <r_dudau> so you guys  are speacking just about ubuntu?
[08:18] <awesomess3> joe75: Strawberry Banana Shit flavor
[08:18] <cfhowlett> .  focus yo
[08:18] <cfhowlett> r_dudau, correct
[08:19] <r_dudau> oh well,that ok i think...
[08:19] <k1l> r_dudau: #ubuntu-offtopic is for chatting, this is just for technical support.
[08:20] <r_dudau> and how do i enter ubuntu-offtopic_
[08:20] <r_dudau> ?
[08:20] <k1l> you need to register with freenode, then you can join that channel
[08:20] <ducasse> !register | r_dudau
[08:21] <r_dudau> mhhhmmmmm -,-
[08:21] <r_dudau> ok than
[08:24] <akash_> AS
[08:24] <r_dudau> well gentlemans , i must to go now, thx for the help and have a good day
[08:25] <dexta> any problems with archive repo ?
[08:25] <dexta> update is getting to 81% on gb.archive.ubuntu.com and then failing - unable to connect
[08:26] <OerHeks> dexta, maybe your mirror is just being sync'd, try again in a minute
[08:26] <dexta> thanks, i will
[08:27] <dexta> seems ok via browser directory listings btw, odd..
[08:27] <ducasse> dexta: also try #ubuntu-mirrors if it isn't resolved soon
[08:27] <dexta> thanks
[08:42] <ericson> gradie_mayombe
[08:48] <cristobal>  guys is there any solution for the users like me using an apu yet? still need to reboot the computer 3 times so it can load the loginscreen and let me use the computer :p
[08:50] <cristobal> using kernel 4.10.9 already tried the beta driver from amd as well
[08:58] <mikazuki> hi
[08:59] <mikazuki> hi
[09:00] <brainwash> cristobal: did you report this issue on launchpad?
[09:00] <cristobal> i think there is a bug already open if i am not mistaken
[09:01] <cristobal> but not sure
[09:03] <brainwash> I suggest adding a comment to it, or creating a new one
[09:03] <cristobal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/+bug/1577074
[09:03] <cristobal> very similar to my issue
[09:03] <brainwash> you could attach your log files to this report
[09:03] <brainwash> this usually helps the people who are debugging the issue
[09:04] <cristobal> dmesg? had never done that
[09:04] <brainwash> >Also, this bug has no logs from the original reporter, so it's largely useless for developers to do anything with.
[09:05] <brainwash> dmesg or journalctl
[09:05] <cristobal> what do you mean  by log ? dmesg? oh ok
[09:05] <cristobal> got it
[09:05] <cristobal> will do that now
[09:05] <brainwash> also, check /var/log/xorg and /var/log/lightdm
[09:06] <brainwash> dmesg only shows information since the current boot of the system
[09:08] <cristobal> go it writing the report now any other thing i shall paste there/
[09:09] <akik> what is the apt-get command to remove packages that were installed as dependencies to the packages i installed?
[09:09] <brainwash> cristobal: maybe read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[09:09] <cristobal> thanks
[09:10] <Vassilli> Hi. How would I delete that part "NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
[09:10] <Vassilli> currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
[09:10] <Vassilli> view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.
[09:10] <Vassilli> Registrar Registration Expiration" from whois ?
[09:10] <akik> was it autoremove?
[09:10] <Vassilli> sorry for flood. I thought it was one line...
[09:10] <brainwash> akik: yes
[09:11] <akik> brainwash: thanks
[09:11] <brainwash> akik: you can add --purge also -> apt-get autoremove --purge
[09:13] <brainwash> Vassilli: no luck with googling this message?
[09:14] <ducasse> Vassilli: you want to change the whois data for the domain?
[09:14] <k1l> Vassilli: talk to your domain hoster
[09:14] <k1l> Vassilli: its not really a ubuntu issue
[09:15] <ducasse> Vassilli: or ##networking
[09:17] <cristobal> did my report this is my dmesg https://pastebin.com/tjt54B9P
[09:24] <brainwash> cristobal: but the current boot state of your system is not affected by the problem, right? you have to obtain the log of the previous boot (via journalctl)
[09:24] <brainwash> or did you run dmesg from tty?
[09:25] <cristobal> from terminal
[09:25] <cristobal> the things is it boots but when it get ready to show the login screen it get stuck on black screen
[09:26] <brainwash> right
[09:26] <brainwash> so, you are not able to login into the graphical user session.. or?
[09:26] <cristobal> correct until i reboot liek 2 or 3 times
[09:26] <cristobal> now i am on it after my 2nd attempt
[09:27] <octo8> Hello, I have a 15 GB log file, I want only the newest giga of it, how?
[09:27] <brainwash> cristobal: ok
[09:28] <brainwash> octo8: you want to trim it down or only display a specific part of the log?
[09:28] <octo8> brainwash: i want to trim the actualy file down
[09:29] <cristobal> the log: https://pastebin.com/sekckqCV
[09:29] <brainwash> octo8: I guess you could use the "tail" command for both cases
[09:30] <octo8> what about this 'tail -c 1G' ???
[09:31] <brainwash> I think it expects bytes
[09:31] <brainwash> well, did you try your example?
[09:31] <geirha> tail -c "$(( 10**9 ))"
[09:32] <octo8> i didn't try anything yet
[09:32] <octo8> why not 'tail -c 1G ./filename.log'
[09:32] <octo8> ?
[09:33] <cfhowlett> octo8, tail -c 1g > filename.log
[09:33] <octo8> cfhowlett: sounds logical, but why not G ?
[09:33] <cfhowlett> try it,
[09:34] <Skyrider> Greetings everyone
[09:35] <octo8> cfhowlett: i will try it once some folder zippin finishes
[09:36] <cableguy> team
[09:36] <Vassilli> Hi. How would I delete that part "NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration. Registrar Registration Expiration" from whois ?
[09:36] <cableguy> team
[09:36] <cableguy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/903486/cant-connect-to-server-via-ssh-outside-web-console
[09:41] <Skyrider> I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 as of yesterday, and there seems to be a conflict with php-fpm and php7-fpm. Including mariadbserver and mariadbserver-10.0
[09:42] <Skyrider> Any reason why this is per default?
[09:44] <brainwash> Skyrider: got any terminal output which shows the conflict?
[09:45] <Skyrider> Just Errors were encountered while processing php-fpm and php7-fpm
[09:46] <Skyrider> It appears it 'attempts' to install both.
[09:47] <brainwash> is this a fresh installation of ubuntu? did you add any PPAs?
[09:48] <Skyrider> Maybe the cause is that I installed ubuntu 14.04 first (minimal, no additional ppa's) and then upgraded to 16.04
[09:48] <Vassilli> k1l, This tool "Whois" I installed to ubuntu.. It gives same notice everytime I do a whois. I guess this text is somewhere inside the tool files. I just wondered if anyone knows how to delete that line. So result will be only the dates.
[09:50] <brainwash> Skyrider: check the output "apt-cache policy" and see if anything is pointing to trusty (14.04)
[09:50] <talin> hello. i'm installing ubuntu on my mom's old somewhat slow laptop (2gb mem). should i choose ubuntu desktop, mate, or gnome? i'm installing 16.10
[09:50] <talin> i heard they will switch to gnome at some point anywya, so maybe it's better to get ubuntu gnome desktop?
[09:50] <cfhowlett> talin, lubuntu or xubuntu
[09:51] <Skyrider> Guess I was wrong.. mongodb ppa added, but that's about it. rest of the url's point towards xenial
[09:51] <talin> cfhowlett: that's lxde/kde, right?
[09:51] <cfhowlett> talin, lxde / xfce4
[09:51] <talin> cfhowlett: hmm, i have a feeling they might not be as userfriendly and standard? i use debian myself, so i have no idea, really
[09:52] <cfhowlett> talin, why would you say that?  xubuntu and lubuntu are official ubuntu flavors
[09:52] <brainwash> Skyrider: check "apt-cache policy php-fpm" and "apt-cache policy php7-fpm"
[09:53] <talin> cfhowlett: ah, okay. i'll check them out, thank you
[09:53] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[09:53] <brainwash> Skyrider: other than that, can you please share the whole terminal output of the conflict?
[09:54] <ducasse> talin: they're both quite capable desktops, imo xfce is a bit more integrated as a desktop though
[09:54] <Skyrider> https://pastebin.com/wiwiYZRk
[09:54] <Skyrider> That's the cache
[09:54] <caine> hi
[09:54] <Skyrider> hi
[09:54] <talin> cfhowlett, ducasse: so for a mom who has no idea about computers, which one would you go for? it's nice if it looks nice too
[09:55] <caine> i am new to caine
[09:55] <caine> i need help in recovering a USB data
[09:55] <talin> i read somewhere that ubuntu will switch from unity to gnome, so i was thinking about ubuntu gnome desktop
[09:55] <cfhowlett> talin, her choice.  install both DE's and show her how to switch
[09:56] <ducasse> caine: what's 'caine'?
[09:57] <brainwash> Skyrider: I think this output is fine
[09:58] <KrisDouglas> ducasse, it's a fairly mediocre copy of Kali Linux
[09:58] <ducasse> ah.
[09:58] <cfhowlett> caine, wrong channel.  caine is not  ubuntu and is not supported here.
[09:58] <ducasse> caine: then you need to get support from them, we only support ubuntu.
[10:01] <dror> Hi all. I'm running 16.10, and lately every time I get packages updates - the process freezes towards the end of it and never finishes. When I run _apt update_  then I get lock errors. Any ideas?
[10:01] <Skyrider> Meh.. guess upgrading to 16.04 is leaving some issues
[10:02] <Skyrider> Getting "https://pastebin.com/1bggtLNV" - need to solve that first.
[10:02] <Skyrider> https://pastebin.com/1bggtLNV
[10:03] <talin> cfhowlett: what about ubuntu mate, i've read good things about it
[10:03] <Skyrider> Talin, why don't you try them out in an emulator? :p
[10:03] <cfhowlett> talin, never used it myself so no opinion.
[10:05] <ducasse> talin: the base of all these is exactly the same, if she doesn't like a particular desktop you can just install one of the others.
[10:06] <talin> ducasse: aah, okay. nice
[10:06] <talin> i think i will try out mate and then switch if she doesn't like it
[10:06] <talin> Skyrider: only have one laptop, which is the one i'm mid-install
[10:06] <ducasse> talin: every single one of them is in the repos
[10:10] <cfhowlett> talin, install ONE *buntu.  then install the Desktop Environments.  you can select DE's at login time.
[10:11] <pc22> h
[10:12] <pc22> l
[10:12] <sylario> I am discovering that X is being replaced by Wayland or Mir, I use X to display ubuntu windows on Microsoft WIndows computers via SSh + a X server.  Is there any Mir or Wayland server for microsoftwindows already?
[10:13] <brainwash> !wayland
[10:14] <k1l> sylario: xorg will be with us a very long time still
[10:15] <brainwash> Skyrider: maybe a clean installation of 16.04 would be the fastest way
[10:15] <sylario> brainwash:  ubottu  Google cannot find any windows 10 mir or wayland, there is nothing about non linux server, that's why I ask
[10:16] <k1l> sylario: i am not sure if there is a working "wayland-forward" like the x-forward yet. (wayland is still not ready in every section). so no need to get stressed now, x11 will be used some more years.
[10:16] <ducasse> sylario: mir is dead, and wayland is still under heavy development.
[10:17] <Skyrider> brainwash: I can't.
[10:17] <OerHeks> ducasse, mark said mir is not dead .. surpised me too..
[10:17] <Skyrider> There no OpenVZ image container for 16.04 on my vps.
[10:17] <Skyrider> I was forced to do an upgrade instead.
[10:17] <brainwash> Skyrider: now that's rather odd
[10:17] <brainwash> it's not like 16.04 is brand new
[10:18] <ducasse> Skyrider: besides, wayland is not network transparent. something might appear there, but not in the protocol itself and not for a while.
[10:18] <ducasse> OerHeks: on the desktop it is aiui, they're keeping it for embedded etc if i read it correctly.
[10:18] <Skyrider> I asked the provider about it "At the moment, the image available is causing problems, so we had to remove it temporarily until a solution could be figured out. Thanks for contacting us about it though!"
[10:19] <brainwash> Skyrider: =S
[10:24] <msi> I'm trying to install ubuntu 16.04.02 on an MSI laptop. The live usb hangs with the following error: " NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#4 stuck for 23s! [gpu-manager:1893]"
[10:25] <k1l> Skyrider: check the init scripts mentioned in your paste: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2350304
[10:26] <k1l> might be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/insserv/+bug/467000
[10:26] <cfhowlett> msi http://askubuntu.com/questions/838212/ubuntu-16-10-fails-to-boot-in-msi-gp72-laptop
[10:28] <hateball> msi: looks like you need to add nomodeset kernel parameter
[10:30] <Delvien> Anyone know what causes this to happen? http://imgur.com/a/wtjci
[10:32] <msi> cfhowlett, hateball: Thanks for the pointers, that at least got me to a running live environment. Attempting to install now, I'll let you know how things go
[10:32] <cfhowlett> msi, happy2help!
[10:32] <Skyrider> brainwash: forced a reinstall for bin9 and the other one
[10:32] <hateball> msi: be aware you will need to use nomodeset for your installed env until you install the nvidia blob
[10:33] <Skyrider> Appears to work fine .. **bind9
[10:33] <hateball> msi: or you will have the same behavior
[10:34] <msi> hateball: I don't think I'll be installing the nvidia blob, since I need to use secure boot. (I'm dual booting windows on UEFI)
[10:35] <hateball> msi: recent nvidia blobs support that afaik
[10:35] <ducasse> msi: you don't need to disable secure boot _itself_ for that in any case
[10:36] <brainwash> Delvien: bug 965953
[10:36] <ducasse> msi: you can just disable the verification in the shim, secure boot itself will remain active
[10:36] <xok> hello all...
[10:36] <adac> Were is the best place to set a global peristent ENV variable?
[10:37] <xok> I've got PXE boot server setup and install ubuntu automatically with preseed.cfg file...
[10:37] <xok> I wonder if there is a way to dynamically use physical devices (disks) without explicitly providing names in the configuration file?..
[10:37] <hateball> msi: iirc you disable with "sudo mokutil --disable-validation" and then just install the blob
[10:37] <brainwash> adac: probably here /etc/environment
[10:38] <adac> brainwash, thanks, will have a look at it!
[10:39] <msi> hateball, ducasse I'll first try to install the drivers normally, and use the mokutil command if that fails
[10:39] <ducasse> msi: iirc you need to disable validation first, since the install checks
[10:40] <ducasse> msi: or make sure to build the driver manually later
[10:42] <Lutenist> anyone got any experience with touch screens? can't get it to work after switching from Fedora to Ubuntu
[10:42] <Lutenist> it's not listed in xinput (It wasn't under fedora either, but it worked out of the box there)
[10:43] <Lutenist> Maybe because I kept my /home from the previous installation. There could be interfering config files?
[10:46]  * Bl4ckC0r3 Have a nice day girls and boys.
[10:47] <cfhowlett> Lutenist, possibly
[10:47] <Delvien> brainwash: thanks, thought it was something i fooled with
[10:51] <Delvien> Bl4ckC0r3: u2, off to work myself  :D
[10:56] <agoose77> Hi all - quick q, I installed ubuntu16.04 originally on my HDD by accident (long story short, installing linux on dell inspiron 15 7559 is a pita, so was up late), and have just moved it to my SSD and updated fstab etc. However, I'm not familiar with the boot process too well - I have an EFI partition on my HDD, which I only use for SWAP and some data storage now (I am dual booting). Do I need this?
[10:56] <agoose77> Can I delete this partition?
[10:56] <cfhowlett> agoose77, yes
[10:57] <cfhowlett> agoose77, YES you need it!  do NOT delete it!
[10:57] <agoose77> haha
[10:57] <agoose77> phew
[10:57] <agoose77> cfhowlett, what is it used for? just for pointing to SWAP or something?
[10:57] <cfhowlett> agoose77, no.  efi has nothing to do with swap.
[10:57] <cfhowlett> !efi | agoose77
[10:58] <agoose77> Yeah, I am somewhat familiar with that, I just wasn't sure why i need it if I'm booting off my ssd nwo
[10:58] <agoose77> cfhowlett, to clairfy; I have Win10 + Ubuntu on my SSD, so nothing is booting from HDD
[10:58] <agoose77> anymore, anyway
[10:59] <cfhowlett> agoose77, how big is the partition?
[10:59] <agoose77> So i wondered if the HDD efi parition was leftover from when I was booting from it, e.g can I now remove
[10:59] <agoose77> not big, ~538Mb
[10:59] <agoose77> MB
[10:59] <ducasse> agoose77: if you are talking about the efi partition, you need at least one to boot in uefi mode
[10:59] <cfhowlett> agoose77, so a trivial size?  Keep it
[10:59] <highlander_> hello, I wanted to install Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 and I'm wondering if I'll end up with the full final release if I keep updating it in a few days when it comes out or will I have to reinstall?
[11:00] <agoose77> ducasse, sure, but I don't need it on my HDD though, if I alreayd have one on the drive I boot off?
[11:00] <agoose77> cfhowlett, well, It's mainly that it is sitting right between my two data partitions
[11:01] <Cmaj6> Anybody can recommend me software for PDF-viewing *WITH* annotation tools (that can be setup with manual keyboard shortcuts) such that the annotations *persist* (for example, when opening the pdf in other software, i still have to see the annotations). The annotations i use very frequently are text highlighting, comments, and text underlining. FoxitReader (for linux) does not allow to manually set shortcuts. Okular does, but i have the UI
[11:01] <Cmaj6> of Okular. Ubuntu's built in Document Viewer does not let annotations persist (they are somehow layered, and do not become engrained in the original pdf)
[11:01] <ducasse> agoose77: if the firmware is set up to boot from another one, then you can remove the old. check with 'sudo efibootmgr -v' and confirm the uuid
[11:01] <agoose77> thanks ducasse , cfhowlett
[11:01] <ducasse> Cmaj6: have you tried zathura?
[11:05] <SLizzie> ubuntu should use KDE for default DE instead of GNOME
[11:05] <Cmaj6> ducasse, no, haven't heard of that! Will check it out!
[11:05] <Cmaj6> thnx!
[11:10] <ducasse> Cmaj6: you may not like the interface if you don't use vi(m), but it's perfect if you like to keep your hands on the keyboard
[11:12] <Lutenist> cfhowlett, any clue how I can go around and troubleshoot?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> Lutenist, if it's a config issue, you could drop the nuclear option: delete all .files and .folders in your /home
[11:13] <cfhowlett> not my first recommendation, but it will set you back to factory fresh settings
[11:13] <ducasse> whoa, wait here.
[11:14] <ducasse> Lutenist: try _moving_ them first, start with .config
[11:17] <Lutenist> yea I'll have access to my external HDD next week so I'll try back it all up and do a full re-install
[11:19] <omagash> h0w t0 5P34K 1337?
[11:19] <cfhowlett> omagash, wrong channel.  this is ubuntu support.  stay on topic.
[11:20] <mark76> My upper case a keeps coming out as a C
[11:20] <ducasse> !l33t | omagash
[11:21] <cfhowlett> o - m - g
[11:21] <cfhowlett> ubottu +1
[11:22] <mark76> QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM
[11:22] <omagash> here in my place, we call them "jejemons" and they don't have that much. Sorry  then, I just found out that irc is for 1337's
[11:22] <mark76> Huh, that's weird.  Must be a bug in Pidgin
[11:22] <mark76> False alarm
[11:23] <OerHeks> fat finger bug, mark76 ?
[11:24] <mark76> No :p
[11:24] <mark76> C is nowhere near A
[11:47] <tsglove> good morning all o/
[11:48] <OerHeks> hi tsglove
[11:48] <tsglove> =) Hey ya OerHeks !
[11:48] <tsglove> How's does it look over on your side of the day?   Over here, starting in the office.
[11:49] <shushl> morning people
[11:49] <syntaks> morning
[11:49] <tsglove> o/ shushl syntaks
[11:50] <OerHeks> relaxed sofar, then again this is the ubuntu support channel
[11:50] <shushl> i need some help, i am running 16.04 on my laptop and i only have suspend mode when i close lid on laptop and its draining battery like crazy, any ideas?
[11:50] <tsglove> =)    I am setting up a ubuntu server with dhcp (working 100%), and dns (having problems).   Lets see what I have missed
[11:50] <tsglove> Getting guided by this https://lani78.com/2012/07/22/setting-up-a-dns-for-the-local-network-on-the-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin-server/
[11:52] <shushl> same laptop running windows 10 can be suspended for more than 8 hours, with ubuntu in suspended mode it runs out battery in 3-4 hours
[11:52] <shushl> any ideas?
[11:52] <tsglove> shushl, not from my side... I wonder what's going on there.
[11:53] <akik> shushl: i think my acer f5 laptop is doing the same
[11:53] <tsglove> shushl, have you tried different versions of Ubuntu?
[11:54] <shushl> no i only have 16.04 installed that is the latest LTS
[11:55] <shushl> they have 16.10 i can see
[11:55] <tsglove> shushl, or, just for tests... maybe try 14.04?
[11:58] <ducasse> shushl: windows and linux are probably invoking different sleep states, aiui linux does not support all of them
[11:59] <shushl> ok, so what is eating battery during suspend of Ubuntu that fast?
[12:00] <ducasse> shushl: as i said, it's probably in another sleep state than it would be under windows, so more of the hardware draws power
[12:00] <_max_> i want to add a few users with encrypted homes and set their passwords later, so if i just do: adduser --encrypt-home --... <user>; usermod -aG <groups> <user>; usermod -p PW <user> do i have to fear any negative consequences? because it seems there will be no custom encryption-passphrase set? how are the homes encrypted then?
[12:02] <brainwash> shushl: does your system actually enter the sleep state? what does dmesg/journalctl report?
[12:02] <michael__> Anyone know how to fix no HDMI sound on a Raspberry Pi with Ubuntu Mate?
[12:03] <shushl> i have to check this, dont have laptop with me now, on different machine at this time
[12:04] <brainwash> michael__: I suggest asking in #raspberrypi
[12:04] <michael__> Ok, thank you. :P
[12:10] <apm> close
[12:10] <apm> exit
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:24] <kbob> hey BluesKaj
[12:27] <taliptako> Hi can anyone tell me how can i build https://github.com/webmproject/libwebm this
[12:27] <taliptako> i mean compile i'm on Ubuntu 16.04 when i ran cmake i get this error https://kopy.io/FlPQq
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hi kbob
[12:34] <taliptako> anyone?
[12:35] <ducasse> taliptako: is build-essential installed?
[12:35] <taliptako> no
[12:36] <taliptako> ls
[12:36] <taliptako> yes after the installing build-essential it work
[12:36] <taliptako> thanks
[12:36] <ducasse> np
[12:42] <taliptako> i compile it and here is the logs https://kopy.io/EDiXP
[12:42] <taliptako> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24152810/encoding-ffmpeg-to-mpeg-dash-or-webm-with-keyframe-clusters-for-mediasource/37776212#37776212
[12:43] <taliptako> here is a guy using it like ./sample_muxer
[12:43] <taliptako> but i dont have it
[12:44] <lrojas> hi all
[12:45] <lrojas> i was trying to upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04 by following the instructions in the official documentation
[12:45] <octo8> when i do a 'df -H', i only have 1.9 MB size available, I just deleted files, and recycle bin is empty, what's the problem ?
[12:46] <k1l_> !17.04 | lrojas
[12:47] <ducasse> octo8: try 'df -i'
[12:47] <SpaceAce> hi all. I'm getting a black screen at bootup. where should i start to find a solution
[12:47] <SpaceAce> ?
[12:47] <lrojas> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade; check that system settings > Software and Updates > Updates : Notify me of a new ubiuntu version => For Any new version. then alt-F2 update-manager -d
[12:47] <k1l_> SpaceAce: "suddenly"? or what happend before?
[12:47] <erik123> yoyo
[12:48] <karlmarkus> cheeki breeki
[12:48] <octo8> ducasse: also a lot of used i nodes, 98%
[12:48] <SpaceAce> kil_ just started today. saw some group policy error coming up at startup but didnt write it down
[12:48] <lrojas> k1l_: i know, but you are suposed to be able to upgrade now to the RC following the instructions on the website... no?
[12:48] <karlmarkus> HAHAH
[12:48] <karlmarkus> Elu hea nali
[12:48] <karlmarkus> kkk
[12:49] <k1l_> karlmarkus erik123 ask in #ubuntu-ops for the mute to be removed, when you are done trolling.
[12:49] <k1l_> lrojas: until final release, use the +1 channel
[12:49] <lrojas> what's the +1 channel?
[12:49] <k1l_> lrojas: scroll up and read the bots message please.
[12:50] <lrojas> k1l_: thanks
[12:52] <Scungielli> how do I make it so that I don't have to enter a password to get back to my desktop after the screen saver comes on?  new install of lubuntu here.   I'm not worried about security, its just a PC connected to my TV
[12:53] <ducasse> octo8: is this all one filesystem?
[12:53] <octo8> problem gone, thanks
[12:57] <w9qbj> Scungielli: Check in Settings -> Screensaver
[12:57] <Scungielli> thanks I'll look
[13:08] <Scungielli> Here's a photo of my desktop.  Can someone tell me what this icon is?  Running Lubuntu.  Whenever I click it, it does nothing.  https://snag.gy/MFZvIA.jpg
[13:11] <msi> hateball ducasse cfhowlett: I was able to install ubuntu and boot it normally using only the 'nomodeset' option. Thanks for your help!
[13:11] <OerHeks> Scungielli, here you see it on a dock, it is simple screen recorder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJD9puiabJQ
[13:13] <Scungielli> OerHeks - I don't understand.  How do I get rid of it?
[13:14] <OerHeks> Scungielli, that, i don't know, maybe someone here knows more about Lubuntu
[13:14] <k1l_> Scungielli: see if simple screen recorder has a setting for not showing that in systray
[13:15] <BetaSoul> Hey Guys and Gals, can some one explain to me why I Can't use smb address devices. For example, set up a new freenas box, but freenas.local isn't found(Works fine on the macs we have around).
[13:15] <Scungielli> where do I find Simple Screen recorder?
[13:16] <BetaSoul> https://github.com/MaartenBaert/ssr
[13:16] <BetaSoul> So, no love?
[13:16] <k1l_> Scungielli: did you install it?
[13:17] <Scungielli> no, I just installed the OS
[13:17] <Scungielli> and it was there
[13:17] <kostkon> Scungielli, which OS
[13:17] <k1l_> Scungielli: no, you not "just installed the os". since there is kodi and teamviewer installed
[13:17] <BetaSoul> Scungielli: Which spin did you instal?
[13:18] <Scungielli> Lubuntu
[13:18] <Scungielli> 16.10
[13:18] <Scungielli> spin?
[13:18] <k1l_> Scungielli: so again: did you install simple screen recorder?
[13:18] <Scungielli> I did not
[13:18] <BetaSoul> Scungielli: Then you need to do that.
[13:18] <Scungielli> just the apps on the desktop that you see
[13:19] <Scungielli> install it?
[13:19] <OerHeks> maybe ssr is standard, or i am wrong about that icon,..
[13:19] <k1l_> BetaSoul: no he doesnt need to do that
[13:19] <Scungielli> Just want to get red of it
[13:19] <BluesKaj> fedora has spins , ubuntu has flavors
[13:20] <k1l_> Scungielli: as you can see, a blank new lubuntu 16.10 doesnt have that icon: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Lubuntu_16.10_Desktop.png
[13:20] <BetaSoul> Sorry, been working on fedora servers lately.
[13:20] <k1l_> Scungielli: so again: what did you install?
[13:20] <nwe> hello, I running ubuntu 16.04 LTS with zfs and snapshots, I have a script that create a new snapshot, unmount the existing one from /mnt/foo , and than mounting the newly created snapshot.. but when I trying to delete the last used snapshot I get dataset busy..
[13:21] <nwe> I haven't use zfs hold.. so it´s not that..
[13:21] <Scungielli> just Kodi and TeamViewer
[13:21] <nwe> and I can found the snapshot in /proc/*/mount ....
[13:21] <Scungielli> but its been there since fresh install
[13:21] <BetaSoul> Is there a network resource that's connecting to the snapshot nwe?
[13:21] <krishna> pls help me i installed ubuntu alongside windows 10 but after installation complete the system reboot to windows 10 only
[13:21] <Scungielli> how do I get rid of it?
[13:21] <BetaSoul> krishna: System, build, etc?
[13:22] <krishna> laptop aspire e 15
[13:23] <hateball> msi: did you try and get the nvidia blob working, or are you content with using nomodeset?
[13:23] <OerHeks> Scungielli,  ... maybe it is kodi or teamviewer :-D
[13:23] <Scungielli> it was there before I installed them
[13:23] <Scungielli> or at least how do I hide that icon?
[13:24] <BetaSoul> krishna: So Uefi bios?
[13:24] <nwe> BetaSoul: nope, that mountpoint is only using by nginx (For host my own apt-mirror)..
[13:24] <msi> hateball: I'm going without the nvidia blob. I don't need it, so I thought I'd better leave things alone now that they are working
[13:24] <hateball> msi: :)
[13:24] <krishna> uefi i selected
[13:24] <gogeta> just install the better open source drivers
[13:24] <nwe> BetaSoul: sorry for my poor english..
[13:24] <gogeta> no neeed for nivida blob
[13:24] <BetaSoul> nwe: This may sound crazy, but try stopping nginx before unmounting?
[13:25] <BetaSoul> krishna: When you installed, how did you do the partitions?
[13:26] <krishna> before i install i created 50 gb unpartitioned space
[13:26] <nwe> BetaSoul: I have try that..
[13:26] <krishna> and i installed ubuntu alongside windows option
[13:27] <BetaSoul> krishna: hrm....
[13:27] <BetaSoul> nwe: logs?
[13:28] <krishna> after intallation comple the system reboot and directly going windows 10 any dualboot menu came
[13:28] <krishna> not any dualboot menu came
[13:29] <BetaSoul> So no grub or anything. Hrm....Was this a fresh install of window/nix, or was this the factory install?
[13:29] <gogeta> msi https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers trust me these free driver smash the defult oones
[13:30] <OerHeks> better use the official driver ppa
[13:30] <nwe> BetaSoul: I using zfs to store my .deb-package in /mnt/foo , after I have push new package to /mnt/foo I creating a new snapshot to /mnt/foo_production and deleting the oldest.. but before I had lock one snapshot by mistake,  then I couldn't remove it so I release it.. and for a while everything worked like a charm, but no I get dataset is busy
[13:30] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:30] <gogeta> oibaf smashes offical
[13:30] <OerHeks> gogeta, e does not help with bugs, so it is bad
[13:31] <gogeta> mainly due to offical being always out of date and slow
[13:31] <krishna> this is not factory installed lap
[13:31] <gogeta> it does help with bugs
[13:31] <OerHeks> c/e-he
[13:31] <gogeta> newer mesa is way better then the older versions
[13:32] <gogeta> and it was for the guy who whanted to use the free drivers on his nivida
[13:32] <krishna> need to try fresh windows installation and again try for ubuntu?
[13:32] <k1l_> newer from 3rd party PPA means: own risk, own support
[13:32] <BetaSoul> nwe: I'm still getting used to zfs. Could there be a logged user/service using it?
[13:33] <BetaSoul> krishna: The dell boot loader is kinda  PIA, so you might. But its likely recoverable. Do some googling about your model and grub.
[13:33] <Snowboarder> Nividia, new card, newer hurd of it
[13:33] <krishna> ok thankyou
[13:33] <nwe> BetaSoul: hmm how can I check that lsof on the snapshot ?
[13:34] <BetaSoul> nwe: Not sure.
[13:34] <nwe> BetaSoul: because the old snapshot isn't mounted..
[13:35] <BetaSoul> nwe: Wait, it unmounts but the new share won't mount because it says the mount point is busy?
[13:37] <xebra> hi, what does ubuntu do by default for spinning down HDD after a period of inactivity? Is there a default, or who/what decides the spin down interval?
[13:37] <nwe> BetaSoul: no no, it unmount the the old snapshot from /mnt/foo_production and mount the new one. I running zfs list -t snapshot |grep .. to extract the oldest snapshot to delete, then it says dataset busy
[13:37] <nwe> the snapshot I trying to delete is from the end of march..
[13:38] <gogeta> xebra, that probly controled by acpi
[13:39] <k1l_> xebra: hdparm can set the time for spindown
[13:39] <gogeta> there you go
[13:39] <BetaSoul> new: can you mount the old snapshot to a new location? I'm wondering if its not unmounting clean.
[13:39] <nwe> I will try
[13:39] <k1l_> xebra: but keep in mind, that spinup and spindown is a lot of stress for the hdd. dont set it to low to not do too much up/downs
[13:41] <nwe> BetaSoul: hmm I get filesystem zpool1/tank-mirror@2017-03-28-08-38-30' is already mounted
[13:42] <xebra> k1l_, I'm just wondering if there's a default (since I've never touched it) and if it actually ever spins down. Even leaving this chat open will use the disk (save log), I also have conky on my desktop as a system monitor, that might use the disk constantly...
[13:42] <gogeta> xebra, they normaly dont unless the system is sleeping
[13:42] <BetaSoul> nwe: AHAH~!
[13:42] <nwe> BetaSoul: now when I running mount I its also mounted on  /mnt/foo_production..
[13:43] <k1l_> xebra: there are caches.
[13:43] <nwe> so it doesnt get unmounted correctly
[13:44] <xebra> k1l_, yeah, that's also true. Pretty complicated
[13:45] <gogeta> xebra, just would be alot of stress to spin up and down every time your away for only a few moments
[13:47] <xebra> gogeta, I know, I think a value like half an hour would make sense though, if nothing has used the disk in half an hour chances are I'm not around and no applications are running
[13:47] <gogeta> xebra, if you set your sleep to that kind of time same effect
[13:49] <gogeta> xebra, you can even tell it to hibernate after 30 min
[13:49] <gogeta> xebra, if you know what features im talkin about
[13:49] <yeoman> hey guys, it seems our dev server has been compromised with cryptonight miner that runs every hour with a custom logind.conf
[13:49] <yeoman> has anyone heard of this before?
[13:50] <yeoman> https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/484519/3523379/uOL4f4saUON3dG1/hacksopbamboo.PNG
[13:50] <gogeta> yeoman, sounds like one of those bitcoin trojins
[13:50] <yeoman> link is pic of the process
[13:50] <yeoman> yeh
[13:50] <yeoman> exactly
[13:50] <yeoman> but it doesnt show up in any cron
[13:51] <k1l_> yeoman: i would format that machine and make sure the services have better passwords/key-logins
[13:51] <yeoman> yeah seems like that would be the best option
[13:51] <yeoman> have you heard of this before?
[13:51] <gogeta> yeoman, kil likes the nucler option
[13:52] <yeoman> haha yeah
[13:52] <yeoman> straight from orbit
[13:52] <k1l_> gogeta: if a system is alreday compromised there is no way to make it "clean" again
[13:53] <gogeta> so untrue
[13:53] <gogeta> i make the big money making systems clean again
[13:53] <yeoman> nice gogeta
[13:53] <yeoman> this is just a shitty dev box
[13:54] <aotaointbin> i'd have to agree with k1l_.
[13:54] <gogeta> yeoman, yea the easy option would be format it if its not a critcal machine
[13:54] <aotaointbin> you can salvage data and rebuild the system, but that's about it.
[13:54] <k1l_> gogeta: no, the only way is to format
[13:54] <xebra> I agree with k1l_ , reinstalling / restoring backups is the ONLY safe way to clean a system. Unless something got into the firmware even
[13:55] <k1l_> gogeta: you are actually advicing to keep an unsafe system running. this is bad advice.
[13:55] <yeoman> well yeah technically bad advice
[13:55] <yeoman> but restore vs "repair" has a different cost
[13:56] <aotaointbin> depends who your audience is, indeed.
[13:56] <k1l_> yeoman: no. that is just excuses
[13:57] <aotaointbin> no need to be all dogmatic. the average windows home user doesn't care, for example. whether or not that's stupid is of no concern to them.
[13:58] <yeoman> its funny to see when it runs, it calls home to a single russian IP
[13:58] <gogeta> yeoman, well if its a windows 10 box reformat out linux on it hahaha
[13:58] <yeoman> its ubuntu 16.04
[13:58] <yeoman> lts
[13:58] <gogeta> oh outch
[13:59] <yeoman> hence why im in here
[13:59] <yeoman> kind of a last resort if you will
[13:59] <gogeta> yeoman, how you manage that one
[13:59] <yeoman> but they kind of wipe their ass with security round here
[13:59] <gogeta> lol
[14:01] <yeoman> gogeta manage it through ssh, with basic authentication only available on the local network
[14:01] <gogeta> yeoman, but yea those bitcoin miner virus are the new fad
[14:01] <yeoman> yeah
[14:01] <yeoman> its kind of smart too
[14:01] <aotaointbin> you'd notice if it was miner malware.
[14:01] <gogeta> he did
[14:01] <yeoman> this one just takes 75% of the core
[14:01] <xbox> hey
[14:01] <yeoman> so on a fast machine it still is quite responsive
[14:01] <aotaointbin> clever.
[14:02] <yeoman> yeah real clever
[14:02] <gogeta> the call to the russion ip is to empty the wallet
[14:02] <yeoman> most likely
[14:02] <yeoman> some small shitty ass random coin
[14:02] <gogeta> yeoman, maybe some more things
[14:02] <gogeta> yeoman, thats a bitcoin trojin
[14:03] <yeoman> dont know if you saw the screenshot
[14:04] <DArqueBishop> Of course, there's no guarantee the miner isn't the only thing running on the box.
[14:04] <yeoman> yeah and logs could be manipulated
[14:04] <gogeta> yeoman, you have his ip you can always run metaspolit see if he has a old outdated box
[14:04] <gogeta> yeoman, get some revenge
[14:04] <DArqueBishop> The ONLY safe option is to format/reinstall, and make sure any local accounts have different passwords if you do plan on making it internet-facing.
[14:05] <DArqueBishop> I would definitely NOT follow gogeta's advice.
[14:05] <yeoman> what is the most common way of infection for this?
[14:05] <yeoman> ssh compromise?
[14:05] <gogeta> why not burn his box down
[14:06] <OerHeks> yeoman, you tell us: what did you do
[14:06] <yeoman> well it would become something of ceremony
[14:06] <yeoman> haha
[14:06] <yeoman> well it runs a bamboo CI facing outward on port 443
[14:06] <DArqueBishop> yeoman: it depends on what internet facing services there are. It could easily be a weak password on SSH that was brute-forced.
[14:06] <gogeta> yeoman, it was a naught site wasent it
[14:06] <yeoman> because some devs need t o access it
[14:06] <aotaointbin> devs should have vpn accounts.
[14:06] <yeoman> SSH is open on 22 but not facing outward in any way
[14:07] <DArqueBishop> yeoman: if you counterattack, you run the risk of angering the hackers if it is their box. Chances are it's someone else's box who was also compromised being used as a jumping off point.
[14:07] <yeoman> so it made me think hmmm some guy fucked up here and downloaded some shady ass xxx while at work
[14:07] <DArqueBishop> More to the point, there's no legal basis for counter-hacking and so it's just as illegal.
[14:07] <OerHeks> yeoman, no need for that word choise, keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[14:07] <yeoman> yeah
[14:07] <yeoman> ok my bad
[14:08] <gogeta> yeoman, or he got in threw a weakness in bamboo
[14:08] <yeoman> yeah that would also be possible
[14:08] <Lachezar> Hey all. I have problems with "Google Nexus 5" on Xubuntu 16.10: it does not seem to behave the same way as my "HTC One X", the devices in /dev/bus/usb/*/* are different
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yeoman:  you're not bad, just mistaken
[14:09] <gogeta> yeoman, or a devs password was hacked
[14:09] <gogeta> yeoman, passwrods leak so often these days
[14:09] <yeoman> yeah there's just so many ways
[14:09] <yeoman> really nice here though
[14:09] <yeoman> many different insights
[14:10] <gogeta> yeoman, when you bring the box back up defently force a password change on everyone
[14:10] <xebra> yeoman, what do you use that server for? You could have been hacked via another application too
[14:11] <aotaointbin> generally speaking, don't expose atlassian apps.
[14:11] <yeoman> i see. well we made the transition a while ago here because bamboo cloud was EOL
[14:11] <yeoman> so transfer to bamboo server
[14:11] <yeoman> because the current workflow still requires this software
[14:12] <yeoman> and exposed to keep the connection between JIRA cloud and bitbucket available
[14:12] <yeoman> otherwise the integration is completely lost
[14:12] <OerHeks> yeoman, sad to hear, fix it, format it, you know what to do.
[14:12] <yeoman> yup
[14:13] <yeoman> is there a different channel dedicated to these kind of questions?
[14:13] <yeoman> or is this an appropriate place?
[14:14] <zenguy> ? ##security
[14:14] <xebra> in ##security you might be able to talk directly with the guys who hacked your server :P LOL
[14:14] <gogeta> lol
[14:15] <DArqueBishop> At the very least don't make the server internet-facing. If your devs need access to it give them VPN access.
[14:16] <yeoman> haha
[14:16] <yeoman> will check that out
[14:16] <gogeta> there is alot i would do to lock it down even internet facing
[14:16] <yeoman> basic hardening
[14:16] <yeoman> ?
[14:16] <gogeta> like whiteliting ips of the employees
[14:16] <gogeta> and blocking everything else
[14:17] <scottjl> vpn is more secure
[14:17] <yeoman> ja
[14:17] <gogeta> yea vpn to
[14:17] <yeoman> i think your heads would explode over here, still stuck on pptp "because it still works" right?
[14:18] <scottjl> ick
[14:18] <scottjl> openvpn or softether
[14:18] <scottjl> no pptp.
[14:18] <gogeta> yeoman, openvpn tends to have alot less weakness then anything else you where using
[14:18] <yeoman> yeah
[14:19] <Ancer> what command to search a filename or program
[14:19] <yeoman> but there are some people here who are so stubborn
[14:19] <gogeta> Ancer, type in the search bar
[14:19] <scottjl> Ancer: mlocate slocate
[14:19] <scottjl> Ancer: find
[14:19] <aotaointbin> wait, your bitbucket is internet-exposed too?
[14:19] <yeoman> no bitbucket is in the cloud too
[14:20] <aotaointbin> 'in the cloud' == 'on someone else's server'
[14:20] <scottjl> +1
[14:20] <aotaointbin> presumably not behind a vpn also.
[14:20] <Rumbles> would anyone care to tell me if it's possible to run the bash command "rm -rf !(some-folder)" in dash? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43348129/how-to-run-rm-rf-folder-in-dash
[14:20]  * aotaointbin sighs
[14:21] <gogeta> Rumbles, yes you can run rm in bash lol
[14:21] <Rumbles> not bash dash
[14:21] <aotaointbin> you can run arbitrary commands in dash, yes.
[14:21] <scottjl> it's funny how people (esp non-technical managers) always seem to think "the cloud" is a magical place where resources are unlimited, free, completely secure and always updated
[14:22] <aotaointbin> the question is can you do !(some-folder) in dash.
[14:22] <Rumbles> can you run "rm -rf !(folder)" in dash? I can't....
[14:22] <Rumbles> yeah, how do you do that aotaointbin ?
[14:22] <Rumbles> is it possible?
[14:23] <Rumbles> aotaointbin can you tell me if that has a name?
[14:24] <aotaointbin> man dash
[14:24] <aotaointbin> i'm reading now
[14:24] <aotaointbin> section 'Shell Patterns' mentions it...
[14:24] <Rumbles> hah I have been looking but I couldn't find it :/
[14:25] <aotaointbin> by itself it expands to the pid of the most recent background command executed from the current shell...
[14:25] <aotaointbin> in an expression it does negation..
[14:26] <aotaointbin> i'm not a bash guy, so i'm not sure what the difference is, but there does seem to be one (or more).
[14:27] <aotaointbin> no history expansion in dash, it seems..
[14:27] <kfizz> Hi, I've used CCSM to set up Viewport switching using left and mouse scrollwheel (you can pivot the scroll wheel left or right). This works as long as the cursor is on the desktop background. Is there a way to enable it even if the cursor is over an application window?
[14:29] <brian_> I want to add a video message to the login page on 16.04, what file would I edit?
[14:29] <ctjctj> is there a way to use apt to verify the checksum of all installed packages?
[14:29] <ctjctj> Or dpkg
[14:31] <k1l_> brian_: i am not aware of such a feature
[14:32] <brian_> On password fail a graphic shows up that says 'try again', I want it to do something else
[14:33] <LiquidX> exit
[14:33] <faugusztin> brian_: i highly doubt there is a lightdm skin with that capability
[14:34] <ioria> ctjctj, if the pkg is still in the cache you can md5sum that pkg, and check with apt-cache show pkg
[14:34] <ctjctj> ioria, Not quite what I'm looking for.  I want to check the md5sum of the installed files from those packages.
[14:34] <brian_> this is open source, if it doesn't have it now it will, I just need to know which program handles the login screen so that I can put some new code in it.
[14:35] <faugusztin> brian_: lightdm
[14:35] <brian_> thank you
[14:35] <wedgie> ctjctj: debsums
[14:35] <ctjctj> wedgie, thanks!
[14:37] <immu> i am getting this message failed to download repository info
[14:38] <OerHeks> immu sorry to hear that, what repository?
[14:38] <k1l_> immu: put the command with output please onto paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[14:41] <CrackerJack> k1l_  chears hahahhaahahaahaha
[14:42] <immu> k1 should be sudo apt-get update ?
[14:45] <OerHeks> immu, yes, update will do
[14:46] <gilmar> aurora
[14:47] <immu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24361248/
[14:50] <OerHeks> immu, untill release 13th april, support for zesty is in #ubuntu+1, skype without key, that is funny
[14:50] <_max_> i want to add a few users with encrypted homes,setting their passwords later,does this order make sense: adduser --encrypt-home --... <user>; usermod -aG <groups> <user>; usermod -p PW <user> ? do i have to fear any negative consequences? because it seems there will be no custom encryption-passphrase set? how are the homes encrypted then?
[14:51] <OerHeks> _max_, without passwords,... why???
[14:52] <Scungielli> jeez for the life of me, I can't figure out how to get rid of this tray icon.   https://snag.gy/MFZvIA.jpg   Can anyone help?
[14:52] <_max_> because it is a non-interactive post-install script, running after an automated install with fai. i have only the hashes of the user passwors and would add them later with usermod.
[14:52] <_max_> but i am open for better solutions to archieve this :)
[14:54] <CrackerJack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24361281/  immu  :)
[14:55] <CrackerJack> see
[14:55] <tgm4883> _max_: I don't see how that could possibly work
[14:55] <ksbalaji> I tried lowlatency-- now my 16.04 is silent. Something to do with default sound. help
[14:55] <nacc> ksbalaji: does the sound come back with the regular kernel?
[14:56] <ksbalaji> regular kernel is silent.
[14:56] <tgm4883> _max_: worst case, it sets a random password that you don't know and you can't decrypt the home directory. Best case, it sets no password and everyone can decrypt it?
[14:56] <omagash> After i did a fresh install  of Ubuntu 16.10 amd64 from 16.10 i386 my x-710bh's media buttons seem to not work anymore
[14:56] <omagash> what went wrong?
[14:56] <tgm4883> _max_: why not just make it an interactive post-install script?
[14:56] <omagash> please help
[14:56] <octo8> Hello, i'm uncompressing a file using    'gunzip database.sql.gz'    , how to know the what is the progress ?
[14:56] <immu> CrackerJack: see what?
[14:57] <ksbalaji> nacc: regular kernel is silent
[14:57] <CrackerJack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24361281/
[14:57] <_max_> thats what i was fearing. probably because im lazy -.-
[14:57] <_max_> ill give the interactive a try
[14:57] <codepython777> I've a /dev/ttyUSB0 device. How do I find out what it corresponds to in lsusb? more details on usb0?
[14:58] <omagash> seen (Q_Q)~~
[14:58] <ducasse> CrackerJack: is there a point to these pastes?
[14:58] <nacc> ksbalaji: hrm, so before youadded lowlatency kernel the generic kernel worked? And then added lowlatency kernel and sound stopped working -- and then generic also didn't work?
[14:58] <ksbalaji> how do I change sound system from something default to alsa or pa or jack?
[14:59] <ksbalaji> nacc: you are on dot.
[14:59] <_28Kb> I installed alsa mixer
[14:59] <_max_> because when i wasm anually running the commands, i could not acces the encrypted files, but after setting a password for the user, i could without a problem
[14:59] <lmatos> hello ... does anyone knows how can i disable the access to the usb drives to the users? I already removed the user from plugdev and all groups, removed the fuse packages, disabled automount, but still, plug in a pen and it shows to the user
[15:00] <ksbalaji> nacc: But, sound was good in low latency. When I returned back to generic , problem started
[15:03] <ksbalaji> nacc: Though I always remain a beginner with ubuntu (many years perhaps) I got jack working in low latency. But, I did something which meddled with profile in generic sound fall back.
[15:06] <nacc> ksbalaji: and now sound doesn't work in generic?
[15:06] <nacc> ksbalaji: so is it that jack isnt working in generic?
[15:06] <ksbalaji> nacc: yes.
[15:06] <nacc> ksbalaji: but it still works in lowlatency?
[15:07] <ksbalaji> nacc: No sound in generic. I got upset . Didn't try opening low latency .
[15:08] <toshiba_leather> Gparted continue to have error message.(gpartedbin:5043): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 53 was not found when attempting to remove it
 I tried lowlatency-- now my 16.04 is silent. .. confusing
[15:08] <nacc> ksbalaji: i would check if it still works in lowlatency, i guess. I'm assming it's really something with jack and not the kernel itself, but I don't know
[15:09] <ksbalaji> nacc: I felt I better get sound working in generic before digging again into low latency.
[15:09] <toshiba_leather> I tried a lot of times. apt-get to remove and install ,still do not work.
[15:10] <nacc> ksbalaji: i don't know anything about jack, but there is
[15:10] <nacc> !jack | ksbalaji
[15:10] <nacc> ksbalaji: is pulseaudio running in generic
[15:10] <ksbalaji> nacc: Probably you are right. I can get some sound through robust programmes like vlc and audacious. But the system sound is gone
[15:13] <ksbalaji> nacc: Yes ! PA gives output
[15:14] <ksbalaji> nacc: I feel the default sound profile is to be repaired. any help?
[15:15] <nacc> ksbalaji: hrm, i don't know but now someone may be able to help
[15:16] <ksbalaji> nacc: thanks for trying.
[15:18] <pietro> buongiorno
[15:23] <altrgyz> irc.undernet.org
[15:28] <Lavinho> good afternoon
[15:28] <Lavinho> how to instal ubuntu on lenovo ideapad 100s 11" lby
[15:28] <Lavinho> ?
[15:28] <toshiba_leather> 我的硬碟分割表壞了, 有人幫我嘛？
[15:29] <toshiba_leather> Go to ubuntu website. Download and install it.
[15:29] <nacc> !jp | toshiba_leather
[15:29] <genii> !cn | toshiba_leather
[15:29] <OerHeks> Lavinho, troublemaker, *if* you get it installed with 32 bit uefi, not all hardware will work .. http://askubuntu.com/questions/815301/can-ubuntu-be-installed-on-an-ideapad-100s-atom-laptop
[15:30] <genii> nacc: His IP resolves to Taipei, not somewhere in Japan :)
[15:30] <nacc> genii: ah sorry!
[15:31] <toshiba_leather> ubottu ,thanks
[15:33] <GikaH> hello world
[15:33] <toshiba_leather> I know both Chinese and Japanese.
[15:34] <nikolov_> k1l_ opa e man
[15:34] <nikolov_> hahhaa
[15:36] <Lavinho> OerHeks, laptop issue
[15:36] <Lavinho> dont installation
[15:40] <toshiba_leather> e man
[15:48] <backbox> Hello
[15:48] <backbox> please learn me
[15:49] <backbox> Hello
[15:52] <PipeItToDevNull> Learn you about what
[15:54] <nacc> !details | backbox
[15:54] <nacc> backbox: this is the support channel for helping resolve issues with ubuntu, not general chitchat (see #ubuntu-offtopic for that)(
[16:02] <Scungielli> Is there anyway to make it so that I NEVER need to enter a password for my computer.  I have autologin on boot up, but I'd like to never have to enter password for when doing updates/installs etc.  I'm not worried about security on this PC
[16:03] <nacc> Scungielli: why don't you worry about security? :)
[16:03] <nacc> Scungielli: because you are asking for passwordless sudo, which means if anyone is able to remotely login as your user, they then have root on your system
[16:04] <PipeItToDevNull> Scungielli, run as root, or make sudo passwordless
[16:04] <PipeItToDevNull> But it is not a good idea, like nacc said
[16:04] <OerHeks> sudo visudo , replace "sudo  ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" with "%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL"
[16:05] <OerHeks> but you run into issues :-D
[16:08] <norde> dax and not push me lame
[16:08] <dax> norde: hrm?
[16:08] <norde> :)
[16:08] <norde> bann me
[16:09] <norde> Dreaman
[16:09] <norde> biheavor
[16:09] <norde> alabala
[16:09] <dax> oh, ok
[16:10] <tarikat> dax and lame
[16:12] <shadygoose> I have this issue http://askubuntu.com/questions/764727/hbonow-on-ubuntu-16-04lts
[16:12] <shadygoose> hal or pipelight doesn't fix it. will this be fixed in 17.04?
[16:13] <open`> dax chears :) lame
[16:15] <OerHeks> shadygoose, maybe this 'hal' works ? https://www.howtogeek.com/239682/how-to-watch-hulu-on-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distributions/
[16:15] <OerHeks> you will need firefox 52 ESR for that, i guess.
[16:16] <zak`> dax chears amatior :)
 tried it. it doesn't fix it. used chrome/firefox. the 10 second rating screen loads and it keeps on buffering after that.
[16:17] <OerHeks> shadygoose, then i have no clue
[16:17] <dax> zak`: amusingly, it takes you longer to generate new addresses than it takes me to nuke them. consider finding something better to do with your life
[16:17] <shadygoose> OerHeks does it make a difference? I installed flash
[16:17] <PCatinean> how do I extract from a .conf file that contains a lot of data, the version number of zc.buildout and setuptools like this? https://hastebin.com/xejifofuji.makefile
[16:17] <Scungielli>  ok so its the Dropbox icon that keeps showing up in the system tray.  I still want the Dropbox program to autostart, but I don't need it showing in the system tray.  so how do I disable that specific indicator icon?  especially since its not displaying correctly anyways
[16:18] <shadygoose> OerHeks thanks anyway. anyone else wanna pitch in?
[16:22] <helpless> Hello, can anyone help me out with partitioning? :)
[16:22] <helpless> How many partitions does Windows 10 use? I'm trying to empty all the Linux partitions until doing a fresh install
[16:23] <dax> helpless: on a fresh install of Windows, i.e. not the crap pre-installed by manufacturers, two
[16:23] <helpless> My windows is semi-fresh, it's been here for a week while I have been getting used to Ubuntu
[16:23] <helpless> but it's completely empty
[16:24] <helpless> Weird, I have four
[16:24] <dax> did you install it yourself or did it come with your computer
[16:24] <xangua> I just wipe Windows the first day
[16:24] <helpless> I installed it myself
[16:24] <dax> then i do not know why it would have four partitions
[16:24] <helpless> Some of them might still be from Ubuntu but I don't know which ones
[16:25] <dax> ah. yeah, Ubuntu would make at least two
[16:25] <helpless> http://i.imgur.com/Zdlgirw.png
[16:25] <helpless> Can I link imgurs here?
[16:25] <dax> yeah
[16:25] <minimec> shadygoose: is this pipelight a flashplayer replacement? If 'yes', you might also try the Chrome/Chromium flash replacement 'pepperflash'. 'sudo apt install *pepperflash*' <-- will install two packages...
[16:25] <dax> helpless: can you get the rest of the description for the second one?
[16:25] <dax> i forget how to do it on windows, maybe click or double click or something
[16:26] <helpless> Efi system partition
[16:26] <DJones> helpless: On mine which was a fresh install of Win 8.1 from dvd (not oem supplied), later upgraded to Win 10, mine has 5 partitions before my Ubutu partitions, Windows recovery, EFI, MS Reserved, Filesystem (which is drive C) plus a 2nd filesystem of 528Mb
[16:26] <helpless> So Windows has Efi too, better not wipe that out
[16:26] <dax> oh true, I guess if we're counting EFI system partitions
[16:26] <helpless> Wonder what the "healthy" 1gb is for
[16:27] <dax> the 1.00GB one at the end doesn't look Windowsy. The rest are Windows + your EFI system partition
[16:27] <helpless> Does Efi still contain data from Ubuntu?
[16:27] <helpless> Or does every OS have its own Efi partition?
[16:28] <vivus> Hello all
[16:28] <helpless> http://i.imgur.com/RvJCumN.png I should be good to go for a fresh Ubuntu install now?
[16:28] <dax> I'm not sure how Ubuntu does it. Theoretically according to spec you can have multiple ESPs. I think Windows prefers to just have one.
[16:28] <vivus> what is the latest version of chromium browser for ubuntu 14.04 ?
[16:29] <dax> !info chromium-browser trusty
[16:29] <dax> vivus: 53
[16:29] <vivus> dax: how do I update it? it is a very old version
[16:30] <ducasse> PCatinean: if you have one of those strings, you can do it like this - echo "zc.buildout = 2.5.2" | cut -d '=' -f 2 | cut -c '2-'
[16:30] <OerHeks> vivus, just run updates, unless you have 32 bit, then there is no more chrome for you
[16:31] <zak`> dax: ubottu: idea for my bans is ego or
[16:31] <OerHeks> "In March 2016, Google will stop releasing Chrome for 32-bit Linux "
[16:32] <vivus> OerHeks: I have run the software updater and have the latest version from the repos, which is outdated
[16:32] <OerHeks> vivus, and what version is that?
[16:33] <lucky`> hahahah
[16:34] <elky> lucky`: we've noted your grievance so could please you take this somewhere else that doesn't involve disrupting our genuine users please
[16:35] <lucky`> just see some lames
[16:35] <minimec> vivus: This ppa look promising... Trusty --> chromium-browser - 57.0.2987.98-0ubuntu0.12.04.1039 https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[16:36] <Guest8840> huhj
[16:36] <elky> Guest8840: hi, need help?
[16:37] <OerHeks> minimec, that is the same as
[16:37] <OerHeks> !info chromium-browser
[16:37] <nacc> OerHeks: except for trusty
[16:38] <minimec> OerHeks: Yeah but the latest versioni for 14.04 is '53.0....' http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/chromium-browser
[16:38] <OerHeks> ah i see, how odd ..
[16:39] <vivus> OerHeks: I guess you missed the part of which ubuntu I am using :P
[16:39] <nacc> !latest | minimec, vivus:
[16:39] <downgreat> elky birata mi se stopli zaradi teb
[16:39] <nacc> vivus: minimec: do not use that ppa, though
[16:39] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage
[16:40] <nacc> read the warning in the description
[16:40] <OerHeks> vivus, no, i made the chromium/chrome error
[16:40] <nacc> so, prsumably, there will be a security update for 14.04 at some point
[16:41] <vivus> is it wise to upgrade a distro directly from the system itself? I am scared that I may break things by doing so
[16:43] <nacc> vivus: how else would you do it?
[16:43] <vivus> nacc: putting the LTS on a CD and doing a fresh install
[16:43] <nacc> vivus: oh, that's not an upgrade
[16:43] <nacc> vivus: that's a ... fresh install :)
[16:43] <vivus> well technically it is an upgrade ?
[16:43] <nacc> vivus: i have been upgrading for years without issue, but then again many people have problems (often with 3rd party packages etc)
[16:44] <nacc> vivus: no, an upgrade is something you do from A -> B. You are installing B, it doesn't matter what A was.
[16:44] <vivus> when does 18.04 come out?
[16:44] <nacc> April 2018
[16:44] <nacc> vivus: as the name suggests
[16:45] <Scungielli> Question:  I still want the Dropbox program to autostart, but I don't need it showing in the system tray.  so how do I disable that specific indicator icon?  especially since its not displaying correctly anyways
[16:45] <spaceworld> elky woman or man chears
[16:45] <vivus> oh wow, I never considered it like that. 18.04 = April 2018
[16:46] <xiusfist> when exactly is zesty zapus droping? the website says april but it is april right now and it still isn't here
[16:46] <nacc> vivus: what did you think it meant? that's how all the releases have been named
[16:46] <fugee> why is the default behavior to update the creation date just because i copied a file to another folder (that doesn't mean the file changed)  or even ftp'd? why oh why oh why? is it a conspiracy to ruin everybody's book-keeping on a universal scale?
[16:46] <OerHeks> xiusfist, 13th april
[16:46] <nacc> xiusfist: iirc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:46] <vivus> just arbitrary stepping. 9>10>11>...>15>16>17>18
[16:46] <nacc> vivus: well, that was a bad assumption :)
[16:46] <xiusfist> OerHeks: ok cool
[16:47] <nacc> fugee: copied or moved?
[16:47] <nacc> fugee: those are different operations
[16:47] <xiusfist> what is the best free tool on windows to make a ubuntu usb flash drive installer
[16:48] <nnyby> what is ubuntu's default window manager called? is it gnome?
[16:48] <fugee> nacc: copied
[16:48] <nacc> fugee: then it's a new file in the target directory
[16:48] <fugee> so what
[16:48] <draka> fiki fiki dani muter elky
[16:48] <vivus> xiusfist: unetbootin
[16:48] <nacc> fugee: it was just created in the new directory
[16:48] <fugee> why would anyone assume i wanna change the creation date
[16:48] <nacc> fugee: you want cp --preserve if you want different behavior
[16:49] <nacc> fugee: it's not *changing* the creation date.
[16:49] <nacc> fugee: it's creating a file
[16:49] <fugee> it's a conspiracy i swear
[16:49] <otronickk> Hi
[16:49] <nacc> fugee: no, it's not, it seems like you don't understand how files work, maybe
[16:49] <minimec> nnyby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)
[16:49] <nnyby> thx
[16:49] <fugee> nacc: so then how would i benefit from the changing of the creation date
[16:50] <nacc> fugee: it'
[16:50] <nacc> fugee: it's *not* changing anything
[16:50] <nacc> fugee: it's creating a new file, which as attributes specific to that file's creation
[16:50] <fugee> i copied, didn't create new
[16:50] <xiusfist> OerHeks: ok cool
[16:50] <nacc> fugee: do you understand what i said before?
[16:51] <nacc> fugee: copy is creating a new file
[16:51] <nacc> fugee: move is moving an existing file
[16:51] <nacc> fugee: you need to tell copy to not modify timestamps if you don't wnat it to. But the default is of course to set them to when the file was actually created.
[16:52] <fugee> nacc: merriam-webster may be intrigued by your definitions
[16:52] <nacc> fugee: ok, you're trolling at this point, if you want actual help, maybe someone else will be able to. I gave you the command you need to use, and why your assumptions are incorrect on any unix system.
[16:53] <fugee> imagine how many files have their admissibility as evidence or even their auditability destroyed before someone notices this is happening
[16:53] <ducasse> fugee: you are copying the file contents, the attributes reflect when the copy was made
[16:53] <fugee> how convenient for large rip-off corporations
[16:53] <skits> If using any unix system at command line there are certain basic functions (on any os) that a user a that level should know already
[16:54] <nacc> ... wut?
[16:54] <nacc> !ot | fugee
[16:55] <fugee> i understand elephants in the room are off topic; the discussion is discontinued on my part
[16:56] <elky> taralej: hi.
[16:56] <crazycoder> hello everybody
[16:57] <crazycoder> i would like to test my build (cpu+cooler) is there a "stress test" ...and a tool to check the temp? (i am using intel i7 6700k)
[16:57] <shadygoose> the mouse pointer is very sensitive. trying to close a window by clicking the teeny tiny "X" takes surgical precision.reducing the sensitivity doesn't make a difference. comments?
[16:58] <ducasse> crazycoder: maybe 'stress' will work for you
[16:58] <taralej> crazycoder:   apt install inxi
[16:58] <taralej> inxi -F
[16:58] <taralej> elky: {}
[16:59] <crazycoder> taralej, pardon but does it stress each core of the CPU?
[16:59] <crazycoder> i read there are stress test that only test 1 core
[16:59] <elky> taralej: perhaps you should explain to the user what that command is going to do
[16:59] <OerHeks> stress -c 4 # for 4 cores ..
[17:00] <crazycoder> OerHeks, does it tell the temp too ?
[17:00] <skits> Having trouble wording a question to google to get relevant results. I am not familiar enough with the system for changelogs to be helpful, so I was trying to find a list of items that changed in 16+ that would change how apache/nginx works with ubuntu itself. (Or would that be a better question for a different channel). Looking more specifically for if 16+ handles webserver dns forwarding differently than in prior versions?
[17:00] <OerHeks> crazycoder, no, that is what inxi -F does
[17:00] <nacc> skits: maybe ask in #ubuntu-server
[17:01] <crazycoder> OerHeks, ok so i should start "stress" command and then check the temp with the other command
[17:01] <nacc> skits: but what do you mean by 16+? and changed relative to what?
[17:01] <OerHeks> crazycoder, jups, that is doable
[17:01] <harry_> Hi, does anyone has install QT-Make 5.6 into an arm64,
[17:01] <crazycoder> ok
[17:02] <OerHeks> crazycoder, old tutor 12.04, but still valid > http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/11/stress-test-your-ubuntu-computer-with-stress/
[17:02] <shadygoose> NOTICE ME! <shadygoose> the mouse pointer is very sensitive. trying to close a window by clicking the teeny tiny "X" takes surgical precision.reducing the sensitivity doesn't make a difference. comments?
[17:02] <crazycoder> OerHeks, thanks!
[17:02] <OerHeks> " stress the CPU, RAM and the HDD at the same time"  you want this :-D
[17:03] <nacc> !patience | shadygoose
[17:04] <skits> I previously used 14.04 exclusively and never had any issues. But when setting up droplets and test servers it seems the interation with forwarded domains is handled differently. After setting up vhosts on any webserver it seems to refuse to display(in browser) dns info, just public ips.
 <ubottu> ok. my bad :(
[17:04] <skits> Thought maybe 16+(04) might have somethign extra I was missing
[17:05] <nacc> skits: right, so 16+ (to me) implies all versions including and after 16.04, but you are asking about 16.04 specifically?
[17:05] <nacc> skits: or you mean you've tried all newer versions and they all have this issue?
[17:05] <mikeymop> does the /etc/hosts file play any role in domain resolution?
[17:05] <nacc> mikeymop: yes
[17:05] <harry_> ubuntu 16.04 on arm64 has only qmake 3.0 but I need to use qt-5.6.0 is there any way to install it?
[17:05] <nacc> mikeymop: depending on local configuation
[17:06] <nacc> !info qt5-qmake trusty | harry_
[17:06] <crazycoder> OerHeks, yes cpu + ram
[17:07] <skits> I tried 16.04 and 16.10 i think it was. I reverted to 14.04 on my test server and did not have the issue
[17:07] <nacc> skits: i would ask in #ubuntu-server
[17:08] <skits> ok, thank you very much nacc
 I did install 5.2.1 but the QT creator won't compile on it it requires 5.6.0 or newer version, is there a way to fix that?
[17:09] <nacc> !latest | harr
[17:09] <nacc> harry_: --^ sorry, hit enter too quickly
[17:10] <OerHeks> harry_, upgrade to yakkety ? https://launchpad.net/qt
[17:10] <crazycoder> OerHeks, stress -c 4 -m 10  is under 60°
[17:10] <crazycoder> sounds good
[17:11] <harry_> my platform is an Nvidia TX1 and cannot support yet yakkety :(
[17:11] <helpless> Hello! How can I clear my Efi_
[17:11] <helpless> I\m finally about to fresh install linux but I have a few fedora entries and a few ubuntu entries in efi
[17:12] <nacc> harry_: but it works on 14.04?
[17:12] <OerHeks> crazycoder,  up to 64 'C would be good http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
[17:12] <ducasse> helpless: use efibootmgr, see the man page
[17:13] <helpless> Holy moly thanks
[17:13] <crazycoder> OerHeks, is this the limit ?
[17:13] <crazycoder> (max limit) ?
[17:13] <OerHeks> crazycoder, yes
[17:14] <jonjitsu> how would I force a reinstall of the kernel?
[17:14] <laceylaney> I have a mac keyboard which does not have a #hashtag. How can I enable #hashtag symbol on certain key press ??
[17:14] <crazycoder> > 64° does it will shotdown ?
[17:14] <crazycoder> OerHeks, ^^
[17:14] <OerHeks> crazycoder, not sure what will happen, fan going crazy or cpu trottle back ...
[17:15] <crazycoder> OerHeks, ok
[17:15] <OerHeks> crazycoder, maybe the guys in ##hardware can answer that
[17:15] <nacc> jonjitsu: a specifical kernel package?
[17:15] <crazycoder> OerHeks, ok
[17:15] <crazycoder> i read it does sqrt()
[17:15] <crazycoder> right ?
[17:16] <helpless> Oke, I removed the useless entries with efibootmgr_ is there still trash left in my efi or am I good to go for a new install_
[17:16] <ducasse> crazycoder: it will throttle at >64°C
[17:16] <crazycoder> ducasse, ah ok!
[17:16] <ducasse> helpless: that should be it
[17:17] <jonjitsu> nacc 4.4.0-72
[17:17] <jonjitsu> nacc, generic
[17:18] <crazycoder> -c 10 will give me 70° :D
[17:18] <crazycoder> ok i will turn it off i do not like to burn my cpu
[17:18] <crazycoder> :D
[17:18] <nacc> jonjitsu: `sudo apt install --reinstall linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic`
[17:18] <nacc> jonjitsu: iirc
[17:19] <jonjitsu> nacc, thanks
[17:20] <nacc> jonjitsu: yw
[17:21] <Deepak> hi
[17:22] <Deepak> is anybody listening me ?
[17:22] <tete> hi
[17:22] <OerHeks> Deepak, impossible. we can read you though
[17:22] <Deepak> helloooooo??
[17:23] <Deepak> anybody from india?
[17:23] <nacc> !ot | Deepak
[17:24] <Deepak> okkk
[17:24] <Deepak> actually i am new on linux
[17:25] <nacc> Deepak: great! if you have a support question, feel free to ask
[17:26] <Deepak> can u plz tell me the best way to learn linux.
[17:26] <PCatinean> ducasse, still there?
[17:27] <ducasse> PCatinean: yep
[17:27] <nacc> !manual | Deepak: this is for ubuntu, you might want to ask in a different channel for general linux
[17:27] <rhumbot> hi all, I just wanted to install open office. as described in the documentation: rpm -Uvih *rpm. I received the following error: Failed dependencies: rtld(GNU_HASH) is needed by openoffice-core04-4.1.2-9782.x86_64
[17:28] <rhumbot> How can I see what dependencies are missing?
[17:28] <nacc> rhumbot: um ... rpm?
[17:28] <nacc> rhumbot: openoffice has been replaced by libreoffice in ubuntu
[17:29] <nacc> rhumbot: and rpms are not the native packaging format for ubuntu
[17:29] <tick> hello
[17:29] <tick> i from indian
[17:29] <rhumbot> nacc libreoffice seems to have a bug with assigning macros; I wanted to test if it works in open office, which was recommended.
[17:29] <Deepak> i m also from india
[17:29] <OerHeks> Deepak, use it, read about it, and seek help in the irc channels when you counter issues. btw backbox is not ubuntu.
[17:29] <nacc> tick: Deepak: please no chitchat in the support channel
[17:30] <PCatinean> ducasse, the point is to extract the version number using the string, is that what you gave me there?
[17:30] <Deepak> okkk sorry :)
[17:30] <rhumbot> But I get your point:) thank you. I downloaded the wrong version!
[17:30] <nacc> rhumbot: ah, i don't know if it's available in a PPA or not, but installing the rpm is almost certainly incorrect :)
[17:30] <rhumbot> stupid me. thanks!
[17:30] <nacc> rhumbot: np
[17:31] <ducasse> PCatinean: if you echo the line like that through cut, you will get the version number
[17:31] <PCatinean> hmm, nice! thanks will look
[17:33] <ducasse> PCatinean: it splits the line on the equal sign, returns the second field then removes the leading space
[17:37] <rmx77> hello all
[17:37] <rmx77> whats goin down
[17:37] <jonjitsu> what do I need to do to update grub with new entries? I ran update-grub which changed my /boot/grub/grub.cfg and I see the changes but when I reboot the menu is the old one. Is there another step?
[17:38] <nacc> jonjitsu: update-grub is typically all that's needed
[17:38] <nacc> jonjitsu: is your grub looking at the wrong disk?
[17:38] <Bashing-om> jonjitsu: More than 1 hard drive ? What is set in bios as the boot drive ?
[17:38] <nacc> jonjitsu: and/or what/where did you change before running update-grub?
[17:41] <jonjitsu> my whole system crashed. I've lost the entire morning. There are no other harddrives. I don't even understand from where it is reading the old entries
[17:41] <jonjitsu> I guess uninstalling grub and reinstalling should work?
[17:42] <OerHeks> jonjitsu, did you install 2 linux versions on that one drive?
[17:42] <jonjitsu> OerHeks, no
[17:43] <OerHeks> oke, that could have explained a 2nd grub, forget about it.
[17:45] <fan> I'd hope to go full linux but all of my uni's programming classes are in c#
[17:45] <fan> how's c# in linux
[17:46] <nacc> fan: it's called mono in linux
[17:46] <fan> I am aware of that, is it lacking compared to visual studio etc.?
[17:47] <nacc> fan: well, it's not visual studio ...
[17:48] <nacc> fan: i have no idea, though, mono itself is just a runtime
[17:48] <nacc> fan: visual studio is an IDE
[17:49] <fan> Ahh, thought you were talking about monodevelop, the IDE.
[17:54] <tgm4883> fan: I don't know much about visual studio stuff, but there is this https://code.visualstudio.com/download
[18:06] <abijma_> dpkg: fout bij verwerken van pakket mysql-server-5.7 (--configure):  subproces post-installation script geïnstalleerd gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug dpkg: vereistenproblemen verhinderen de configuratie van mysql-server:  mysql-server is afhankelijk van mysql-server-5.7; maar:   Pakket mysql-server-5.7 is nog niet geconfigureerd.  dpkg: fout bij verwerken van pakket mysql-server (--configure):  vereistenproblemen - blijft ongeconfigureer
[18:06] <abijma_> this is a message i get during apt-get upgrade
[18:06] <abijma_> due to this mysql is not starting, does anyone know how to fix this?
[18:06] <nacc> abijma_: pleas use a pastebin and run `LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get upgrade` and pastebin the output
[18:07] <abijma_> how does pastebin work?
[18:07] <nacc> !pastebin | abijma_
[18:11] <w9qbj> Keyboard problem.  From  time to time, maninly overnight, the keyboard hangs. No response from any of the keys.  This has happened on both old hardware as well as OS upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04.  unplug/replug the keyboard brings it back to life.  It also has happened in the middle of typing, but not so often.  Anyone know of a way to restart the usb/keyboard driver to cure this problem?
[18:11] <Scungielli> I'm running an old laptop.  Intel Core2 T5500 @ 1.66GHZ with 2gb RAM.   With this spec machine, should I run Lubuntu or Ubuntu?
[18:12] <ppf> Scungielli: try it out and decide
[18:12] <abijma_> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362260/plain/
[18:13] <ppf> can't open that without logging in
[18:13] <OerHeks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362260/
[18:14] <nacc> abijma_: so it seems like the postinst failed
[18:14] <nacc> abijma_: /var/log/dpkg.log might say more
[18:15] <abijma_> nacc: this is what dpkg.log says http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362302/plain/
[18:17] <nacc> abijma_: so this is a fresh install of mysql-server?
[18:17] <shadygoose> "For new installs, a swap file will be used instead of a swap partition." How does this affect the 17.04 installation process?
[18:18] <nacc> shadygoose: as it says? a fresh 17.04 install won't have a swap partition, but will use swap files
[18:18] <shadygoose> so only 2 parttitons should be created? root and /home?
[18:19] <Random832> do swap files work with laptop hibernation now? I thought there used to be an issue
[18:19] <abijma_> nacc: no this is not a fresh installation. I installed the vps with ubuntu few weeks ago. After that installed mysql and used it for i think 2 weeks. This week i did an apt-get upgrade and got this problem.
[18:19] <nacc> shadygoose: depends on how your other partitions were defined, but yeah, that's certianly a possibility
[18:20] <nacc> Random832: i'm not sure, but given the change, i'd assume so?
[18:20] <shadygoose> nacc: I'm gonna do a fresh install after it gets out. would 2 partitions be enough? I can't find an install guide.
[18:21] <nacc> shadygoose: i'm not sure what you mean by 'enough'?
[18:21] <faugusztin> abijma_: isn't this kind of issue fixed by running "dpkg-reconfigure -a" ?
[18:22] <shadygoose> nacc: usually it's 3 partitions. root, /home and swap. 17.04 doesn't need a swap partition so 2 partitions in total for the installation to go through?
[18:22] <abijma_> faugusztin: i think i tried that already. I just tried again but it says "a unknown option" ?!
[18:23] <baizon> abijma_: sudo apt install -f
[18:23] <nacc> shadygoose: why are you defining partitions outside of the installer?
[18:23] <abijma_> baizon: no gives same error again
[18:24] <faugusztin> abijma_: in any case, if you have no data in database, then just uninstall the mysql-server and install it again
[18:24] <dym> Hey all! I've tried installing 16.04.02 onto an APU2C4 Board via USB and these infos (https://trick77.com/installing-ubuntu-server-16-04-pc-engines-apu-apu2/). Unfortunately i keep running into "error copying files from cdrom". (different usb sticks tested)
[18:24] <dym> Anyone got an idea? i use ubetbootin on mac os to create the install media and tried several usb sticks
[18:25] <nacc> abijma_: faugusztin: probably purge and you probably need to use dpkg to do it
[18:25] <abijma_> faugusztin: that's the problem, i do have data in there. and not a backup of the last 12 hours, so i would like to do my best to fix this and saving the data
[18:25] <faugusztin> abijma_: copy your /var/lib/mysql away to be sure, then do the uninstall/reinstall ?
[18:26] <nacc> abijma_: can you pastebin more of the apt history log? /var/log/apt/history.log? trying to understand what it was trying to do that failed
[18:26] <shadygoose> nacc: not exactly sure what you meant by 'outside'. shouldn't the partitions be defined during the installation on the unallocated space if it's a dual boot?
[18:26] <nacc> shadygoose: during install, you can specify how to partition a disk
[18:26] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | dym Did you verify ?
[18:26] <nacc> shadygoose: i'm not sure why you are thinking about it when not in the installer ...
[18:26] <nacc> shadygoose: and the installer won't let you specify a partitioning scheme that isn't legal, iiuc
[18:27] <nacc> shadygoose: are you asking, so you know what to expect when you use the installer? the question is confusing to me
[18:27] <shadygoose> nacc: i'm not in the installer cos it isn't out yet? but yeah, just to know beforehand
[18:28] <nacc> shadygoose: right, but you don't define the partitions beforehand -- the installer does that part. So just let it do what it wants?
[18:29] <abijma_> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362384/plain/ this is the log from the moment i did the apt-get upgrade last thursday
[18:29] <dym> Bashing-om: now have. all good
[18:30] <nacc> abijma_: ok, the entry just before that first one, was dpkg already returnig an error?
[18:31] <abijma_> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362396/plain/ no, it didn't
[18:31] <nacc> abijma_: ok
[18:32] <Croepha> So, if I needed a specific file, form a specific version of a package, and apt cant find it, ie `apt-get download libc6-dbg=2.23-0ubuntu4`  is there an easy workaround?
[18:33] <Bashing-om> dym: Next up is to verity the copt . There is a boot menu in the installer. As soon as the bios screen clears depress a key -> language screen; escape key to accpet the default -> boot menu -> " check disk for defects" .
[18:34] <dym> Bashing-om: on it
[18:35] <ali1234> how do i install x86 32-bit support inside a xenial docker container?
[18:36] <dym> Bashing-om: "check the cdroms integrity"?
[18:37] <shadygoose> nacc: ok. I wasn't aware of that :) thanks captain.
[18:37] <Bashing-om> dym: What release ? .. Last I was aware the field was " check disk for defects " .
[18:37] <dym> Bashing-om: 16.04.02
[18:37] <dym> Bashing-om: although the test seems to fail
[18:38] <dym> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/B2ikiQ9S
[18:38] <dym> I reinstalled a million times on several usb sticks
[18:38] <Bashing-om> dym: As I live and learn . ok .. well ya know now to change the tool to copy the .iso as an image and try again .
[18:38] <dym> always error reading
[18:39] <dym> Bashing-om: mhh, so maybe its the unetbootin tool causing the failure?
[18:39] <ppf> sometimes it does that
[18:40] <dym> ppf: but 10 times in a row?
[18:40] <ppf> is the image all right?
[18:40] <dym> ppf: just re-checked the md5 - seems all good
[18:40] <dym> ppf: im gonna re-download and try once more
[18:41] <ppf> if the checksum is correct then so is the image
[18:41] <ppf> do you have any other tool to create an image with
[18:41] <Bashing-om> dym: No dount that until the disk passes the test no way to do the install .
[18:41] <ppf> Rufus?
[18:41] <dym> MacOS
[18:41] <dym> is there a macos version of ruifus?
[18:42] <ppf> why not dd
[18:42] <ppf> mac has that, does it not
[18:42] <dym> it does
[18:42] <ppf> then use that
[18:43] <dym> ppf: got a link?
[18:43] <dym> even ubuntu suggests unetbootin :D https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-macos
[18:43] <ppf> link?
[18:44] <Bashing-om> dym: Maybe then try a Mac varient of ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' .
[18:44] <ppf> the dd tool should be available per default?
[18:44] <ppf> otherwise use whatever package manager macos uses
[18:44] <dym> Bashing-om: does it need to be pre-partitioned in some way?
[18:44] <dym> no no, it's available
[18:44] <ppf> no, the image contains a partition tablwe
[18:44] <ppf> fdisk -l *.iso
[18:46] <dym> ppf: and bootability?
[18:46] <dym> fdisk
[18:46] <xenefix> etcher.io !
[18:46] <OerHeks> xenefix +1  >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[18:48] <dym> oh
[18:48] <dym> checking
[18:48] <ppf> why??
[18:48] <ppf> just use fricken dd ...
[18:48] <dym> ppf: on it :)
[18:48] <dym> just looking at etcher meanwhile
[18:48] <ppf> `file *.iso` to check whether an iso is bootable
[18:51] <abijma_> nacc: no other ideas? so only way to fix is to purge the installation and re-install in your opinion?
[18:51] <lrojas> hi all
[18:51] <lrojas> i am having an issue with ubuntu 16.10
[18:52] <immu> like?
[18:52] <lrojas> when i do apt-key list i dont get the keyid....
[18:52] <lrojas> i am seeing entries like this:
[18:52] <lrojas> pub   rsa1024 2010-05-04 [SC]
[18:52] <lrojas>       7B2C 3B08 89BF 5709 A105  D03A C251 8248 EEA1 4886
[18:52] <baizon> !pastebin | lrojas
[18:52] <lrojas> uid           [ unknown] Launchpad VLC
[18:53] <baizon> lrojas: so remove it and reapply
[18:53] <lrojas> remove what?
[18:53] <lrojas> all the keys are like that
[18:53] <lrojas> all say unknown
[18:54] <lrojas> and instead of showing the keyid, they show the generic rsalengtj
[18:54] <ppf> abijma_: configure the package with dpkg, and enable debug output
[18:54] <ppf> paste the result
[18:55] <abijma_> ppf: can you give me the exact command for this?
[18:55] <balazs> Hi, I installed firefox:i386 with apt, and the binary is 32-bit, but when I type in "about:" I get "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:52.0"
[18:55] <balazs> So am I using the 32-bit version ?
[18:55] <ppf> dpkg --configure -a --debug=23
[18:56] <OerHeks> balazs, yes
[18:56] <baizon> balazs: what is "about firefox" saying?
[18:56] <OerHeks> i686 = 32 bit
[18:58] <balazs> OerHeks: so x86_64 is 32-bit ?
[18:58] <balazs> baizon: that above is the output of "about:" in the toolbar
[18:58] <putin_> eeeeeeeee
[18:58] <putin_> ewe
[18:58] <putin_> w
[18:59] <OerHeks> balazs, no, i din't write that
[18:59] <OerHeks> i686 .... *ON* ... x86_64
[18:59] <DJones> putin_: Do you want to fix your keyboard before your ask you Ubuntu support question
[19:00] <balazs> OerHeks: thanks
[19:00] <baizon> balazs: http://i.imgur.com/QvbTxxm.jpg <- so i got 64-bit
[19:00] <t-run> .?
[19:00] <Random832> baizon, that is an impressively bad quality file
[19:01] <nacc> abijma_: sorry, stepped away
[19:01] <nacc> abijma_: well, we need to see why the postinst is failing
[19:01] <lrojas> baizon: searching for the issue i only found something in reference to debian, sugesting one needs to use this command to solve the issue
[19:01] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362537/plain/
[19:01] <ppf> i can't open that
[19:01] <lrojas> sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
[19:01] <faugusztin> Random832: i guess he did it with quality=0 :)
[19:02] <nacc> abijma_: can you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst ?
[19:02] <nacc> abijma_: also, please don't append '/plain/'
[19:02] <nacc> abijma_: as it ends up requireing auth (which i happen to have, but not everyone does)
[19:02] <balazs> baizon: where do you access the "about" menu ? I must be missing something, because the only thing I can to it type "about:" where the URL-s usually go
[19:03] <baizon> balazs: options menu -> questionmark -> about firefox
[19:03] <lrojas> can someone running 16.10 do sudo apt-key list to see if they get the key ID ?
[19:03] <baizon> lrojas: i can see mine
[19:04] <lrojas> i am wondering if this is a general issue
[19:04] <lrojas> baizon: do you have any clue as to why i cannot see mine?
[19:04] <baizon> lrojas: are they also missing when u use "Software & Updates"?
[19:05] <ducasse> baizon: lrojas: on mine they are also 'unknown'
[19:05] <lrojas> am i missing something like that debian package but for ubuntu?
[19:05] <lrojas> no, they show there
[19:05] <lrojas> i can update fine
[19:05] <baizon> lrojas: well i cant tell then what the issue could be :(
[19:05] <lrojas> is just a pita because i have to look at the long number and the concatenate the last 8 digits to get the key id
[19:06] <lrojas> which is weird
[19:06] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362537
[19:06] <nacc> abijma_: thanks -- and the .postinst file?
[19:06] <hyperbeam> hello
[19:06] <lrojas> since when i look at samples on how to use apt-key del the keyid is different to the signature
[19:07] <abijma_> nacc: Use of uninitialized value $action in string eq at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 27. postinst called with unknown argument ''
[19:07] <abijma_> is the result i get on that command
[19:07] <hyperbeam> (btw i'm not on ubuntu, i'm on elementary)
[19:07] <hyperbeam> anyways
[19:07] <hyperbeam> i recently installed lua
[19:07] <hyperbeam> and it keeps getting an error
[19:08] <DJones> !elementary | hyperbeam
[19:08] <hyperbeam> for "make linux"
[19:08] <nacc> abijma_: which command did you run? i didn't say to run a command
[19:09] <nacc> abijma_: you need to pass arguments to the postinst (see the values to pass in the parentheses in your log)
[19:09] <KacoDDC> good evening
[19:09] <hyperbeam> i'm back
[19:09] <hyperbeam> had to do something
[19:10] <hyperbeam> !elementary | hyperbeam
[19:10] <DJones> hyperbeam: Elemetary isn't supprted here, you need to ask their own support network
[19:10] <Random832> DJones, i assume that's what he was trying to find out where that is.
[19:10] <hyperbeam> okay.
[19:10] <hyperbeam> sya
[19:10] <hyperbeam> btw
[19:10] <hyperbeam> yeah random is right
[19:11] <Random832> i.e. since he closed the client before
[19:17] <abijma_> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362658 here the content of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst
[19:18] <ppf> abijma_: he wasn't asking for the contents
[19:18] <ppf> run bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst configure 5.7.17-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[19:19] <kernelmodder> So it took a few hours for my custom kernel to finish compiling, but it did. No errors from make this time, nor were there any errors scrolling past during compilation itself
[19:19] <kernelmodder> But I'm not sure if my customized kernel will be a good fit for my toshiba laptop when I install it into the /boot folder
[19:19] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: then i misunderstood. you want to have the output of that bash command?
[19:20] <ppf> abijma_: yes, or at least the error
[19:20] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: here the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362677
[19:22] <OerHeks> kernelmodder, if you have the 3 debs, maybe the mainline page is any help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds#Installing_upstream_kernels_.28manually.29
[19:22] <kernelmodder> OerHeks: And the testing linux distro is fedora
[19:23] <kernelmodder> OerHeks: The toshiba laptop is a secondary one
[19:23] <OerHeks> fedora.. then you should not seek help here
[19:27] <kernelmodder> OerHeks: ##fedora perhaps?
[19:28] <lewix> does :"*y copy to the clipboard? if yes, isn't :"*p to paste
[19:28] <lewix> from the clipboard
[19:34] <nacc> abijma_: you should be able to change the postinst to be +x in the shebang and then rerun the `apt-get upgrade`, which should provide more output in dpkg.log (iirc)
[19:36] <dym> ppf: Done copying the files from the iso, now i cannot mount it on os x to edit the serial stuff in
[19:36] <dym> ppf: (https://trick77.com/installing-ubuntu-server-16-04-pc-engines-apu-apu2/)
[19:38] <ppf> dym: "copying the files from the iso"?
[19:38] <ppf> what did you do?
[19:38] <abijma_> nacc: sorry but shebang is new for me. what does it mean?
[19:38] <dym> ppf: dd'ing the iso to the usb stick
[19:38] <dym> dd if= of= bs=4m
[19:39] <ppf> abijma_: make it /bin/bash -x
[19:40] <dym> ppf: But now i need to access the files and edit some stuff in.
[19:40] <ppf> abijma_: can you run export DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG=1; dpkg --configure -a
[19:40] <dym> ppf: https://pastebin.com/AKS5ZYdz - thats the state of the usb stick right now.
[19:41] <dym> ppf: seems as if ext4 is mistaken for some MS partition type.
[19:41] <ppf> abijma_: what happens when you mount the partition
[19:42] <ppf> dym: ^
[19:42] <abijma_> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362788 this is the last part of the result of that export command
[19:43] <dym> ppf: mount: exec /Library/Filesystems/ext4.fs/Contents/Resources/mount_ext4 for /mnt: No such file or directory
[19:44] <dym> i installed fuse since it seems macos cannot handle ext4 natively.
[19:44] <dym> what a major pain!
[19:44] <dym> im about to install a ubuntu vm, just to get this fixed...
[19:45] <nacc> abijma_: it seems like mysql is refusing to start
[19:45] <nacc> abijma_: you could try to run that command by hand and see if it outputs anything
[19:46] <nacc> abijma_: by default, the postinst is discarding thatoutput
[19:46] <ppf> drop the --init-file argument, though
[19:46] <ppf> and mkdir that temp directory first, obviously
[19:46] <nacc> ppf: true :)
[19:46] <nacc> or you can edit the postinst and change run_init_sql to not trash theoutput to /dev/null
[19:47] <abijma_> nacc: i already tried service mysql start do you mean this iwth starting  by hand or some other way
[19:47] <ppf> abijma_: the command from your paste
[19:47] <nacc> abijma_: what ppf said
[19:47] <nacc> abijma_: prbably simplest is to edit run_init_sql function in the postinst and run the command ppf had you do again
[19:50] <abijma_> nacc, ppf: i appreciate your help, but this is getting me a little to complicated. can you give me the exact commands i have to run?
[19:50] <ppf> abijma_: the one from your paste!
[19:51] <ppf> but remove the --init-file option and run mkdir /tmp/tmp.9klXSk6RGU
[19:52] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: run command mysqld --user=mysql --socket=/tmp/tmp.9klXSk6RGU/mysqld.sock --pid-file=/tmp/tmp.9klXSk6RGU/mysqld.pid but it seems to do nothing.  mkdir gives message that dir already exists
[19:53] <nacc> abijma_: is mysqld still running? (check `ps aux` or the return code from the comamnd)
[19:56] <balazs> Does anyone know if you can still run Java in Firefox ? I'm trying to do so to run a Junos VPN client, but all docs I find refer to an older version of FF.
[19:56] <ppf> maybe it'll be easier to change the postinst script
[19:56] <balazs> Supposedly newer ones do not like the java plugin
[19:56] <abijma_> nacc: no it doesn't seem to run right now
[19:57] <nacc> abijma_: ok, can you do this -- as root (use sudo) edit the postinst
[19:57] <OerHeks> balazs, you would need firefox 52 esr for java/flash
[19:57] <nacc> abijma_: change line 19 to not have the '> /dev/null 2>&1' at the end
[19:57] <OerHeks> from the mozilla website
[19:57] <ppf> abijma_: try and modify the script. in line 19, erase anything after the >
[19:57] <nacc> abijma_: then re-run the export and command that ppf gave earlier
[19:58] <OerHeks> https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Firefox/plugins-and-version-52/td-p/1372494
[20:01] <abijma_> ok, removed everything from '>' on line 19 and re-run the export command
[20:01] <balazs> OerHeks: thanks, going thru it now...
[20:01] <Katronix> hi all, I just installed Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, and having an issue with no Wifi. https://pastebin.com/73rrYmAp Can someone help?
[20:03] <OerHeks> Katronix, this page may be the answer, mokutil > http://askubuntu.com/questions/762254/why-do-i-get-required-key-not-available-when-install-3rd-party-kernel-modules
[20:03] <Katronix> or is it easier to just downgrade to an earlier version?
[20:03] <Katronix> OerHeks, okay thanks
[20:04] <dym> ppf: im on an ubuntu live system - why cant i mount the usb stick writeable?
[20:04] <Katronix> OerHeks, well I'll try that :)
[20:04] <dym> "Read-only file system" - cant remount rw, cant hdparm -r0 /dev/xxx, nothing works
[20:04] <nacc> abijma_: ok, output (pastebin)?
[20:05] <ppf> dym: why not?
[20:05] <dym> ppf: i'd like to find out :D
[20:05] <ppf> i mean, what's the erro
[20:05] <ppf> r
[20:06] <dym> ppf: i do get
[20:06] <dym> ppf: "settings readonly to 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off)"
[20:06] <dym> but still cant write the partition (also not after remounting)
[20:06] <ppf> mount -o remount,rw /dev/whatever
[20:07] <ppf> and paste the output of mount
[20:07] <dym> ppf: "mount: cannot remount /dev/sdd2 read-write, is write-protected"
[20:07] <dym> ppf: Ubuntu 16.04.2 Desktop Livesystem
[20:07] <abijma_> ppf, nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24362893
[20:08] <ppf> dym: blockdev --setrw /dev/sda
[20:08] <ppf> sorry, sdd
[20:08] <nacc> abijma_: sigh, not much help there -- if you run the mysqld command by hand again
[20:08] <nacc> abijma_: and then 'echo $?' immediately after it returns
[20:08] <dym> ppf: done, also remount after, same error as above
[20:08] <nacc> abijma_: what value does it print?
[20:09] <ppf> might be because it's a VM
[20:09] <ppf> dym: ^
[20:10] <dym> ppf: christ this is annoying.
[20:11] <nacc> abijma_: is there anyting in /var/log/mysql/error.log ?
[20:11] <ppf> abijma_: and this time, leave the --init-file argument
[20:15] <abijma_> nacc, ppf: echo $? gives 0 (zero) as result. only error in error.log is  Fatal error: mysql.user table is damaged. Please run mysql_upgrade.
[20:17] <nacc> abijma_: hrm
[20:17] <nacc> abijma_: can you file a bug on this?
[20:17] <nacc> abijma_: we can keep trying to fix it, but ideally the postinst would provide a bit better logging as to what is failing
[20:17] <dirtysouth_> hi so i am completely green to linux and i just build a computer and have installed ubuntu on it. I am trying to get the wifi dongle to work however i can not figure out how to even begin aproaching that.
[20:17] <abijma_> nacc: where can i file this as a bug?
[20:18] <nacc> !bug | abijma_
[20:19] <dirtysouth_> If there is anyone that could help with that, that'd be awesome.
[20:20] <abijma_> nacc: thanks for your help. for now i guess only option is to re install mysql from scratch
[20:24] <bray90820> Can anyone recommend a tablet to run ubuntu
[20:24] <dirtysouth_> hi so i am completely green to linux and i just build a computer and have installed ubuntu on it. I am trying to get the wifi dongle to work however i can not figure out how to even begin aproaching that?
[20:26] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: What wifi dongle is it
[20:26] <nacc> abijma_: not necessarily
[20:26] <dirtysouth_> asus ac1900 USB-AC68
[20:26] <nacc> abijma_: as that last output said (error.log), try running mysql_upgrade manually, i think your mysql tables are bit buggered
[20:27] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Sorry I can't go any further with you
[20:28] <dirtysouth_> bray90820 : is there a reason why?
[20:28] <abijma_> running mysql_upgrade is only possible when mysql is running and that's currently the problem. i cannot get it start running...
[20:30] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I am not to familiar with USB wifi dongles there is a tool called ndiswrapper that will allow you to install the windows wifi driver in linux i havent used it in years so idk if it's being maintained anymore
[20:30] <bray90820> I am better with internal cards
[20:30] <ducasse> dirtysouth_: this might help - http://askubuntu.com/questions/879187/asus-usb-ac68-0b051817-drivers#879258
[20:30] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: i appreciate it anyways
[20:31] <dirtysouth_> ducasse:  i will check that out real fast thanks
[20:31] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you know how to use the terminal
[20:31] <dirtysouth_> i do not no
[20:32] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you know how to use the command prompt in windows?
[20:32] <ducasse> dirtysouth_: just follow the instructions and you should be fine
[20:32] <dirtysouth_> i don't know in windows the computer I'm talking to you on is a mac
[20:33] <dirtysouth_> I'm looking into them for sure thank you
[20:33] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: If you can open the terminel I might be able to help you get it setup
[20:33] <dirtysouth_> ya for sure lets do that and i can learn about it better that way too
[20:34] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i appreciate you taking the time
[20:34] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Just tell me when you have terminal open and are ready
[20:34] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  so that i am on the same page as you i need the terminal on the machine that i built open
[20:35] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  or my mac?
[20:35] <bumblefuzz> you're in an ubuntu forum
[20:35] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Whatever computer you want to get the wifi working on
[20:36] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: i am opening it now
[20:36] <bray90820> Ok
[20:36] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ok its open and its ubuntu
[20:37] <bray90820> Type in "uname -a" without that quotes and tell me what the output says
[20:38] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: you want the entire chain?
[20:38] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: That would be perfered
[20:39] <bray90820> preferred
[20:40] <bumblefuzz> once you get it online, you can output to pastebin instead of typing
[20:40] <dirtysouth_> Linux matthew-system-product-name 4.8.0-46-generic #49~16.04.1- Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 31 14:51:03 UTC 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:41] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: Were trying to get the internet working so it won't be necessary to do so once internet gets working :)
[20:41] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: that will be fantastic so i can copy and paste
[20:42] <bumblefuzz> bray90820: lol true
[20:43] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you have any way to transfer files to that computer?
[20:43] <bray90820> Like a flash drive or something
[20:43] <just_jon> I bought about $1000 of music from the ubuntu one music store, I backed everything up on a flash drive when support was cut, my flash drive has failed now and I don't have a backup.  Does anyone know of a way to reach out to ubuntu to get this music from 7 digital, or another source
[20:44] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i can download them to  a flashdrive and see if it owrks
[20:44] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Perfect
[20:44] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  does it have to be a specific format
[20:44] <dirtysouth_> ?
[20:45] <bray90820> If it connects to your Mac you shoul be fine
[20:45] <dirtysouth_> Good to go
[20:47] <InventorTechie> Quick question: I am setting up another Ubuntu Gnome install on a new ThinkPad... I am not getting the option for "Install Ubuntu Gnome Alongside Windows 10." I have resized the disk already. 128gb each for both windows and linux basically. Ext4 for the Ubuntu partition.
[20:47] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Download this file and put it on your flash drive then get back to me once that's done
[20:48] <bray90820> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndz1d1atrl3baex/rtl8814AU-driver-4.3.21.zip?dl=0
[20:48] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[20:49]  * bray90820 will be right back need to use the toilet 
[20:50] <anddam> and thanks for sharing
[20:50] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  good to go and i got it downloaded and the zip file is on the flash drive
[20:52] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: hey my brother just told me he tried something on here with that file you gave me so hopefully it doesn't completely wrench your plan
[20:52] <Matths> hey
[20:53] <dirtysouth_> he tried following a guide on a forum and doesn't know which one it was
[20:53] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I think we're still good
[20:54] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: just thought id make you aware since i didn't know lol
[20:54] <bray90820> Thanks for the info
[20:54] <bray90820> So put the flash drive in your ubuntu computer and drag the file you downloaded to your desktop
[20:55] <dirtysouth_> kk
[20:56] <bray90820> I also have a text file for you with stuff to copy and paste into the terminal to make things easier
[20:56] <dirtysouth_> alright its there and how do i copy and paste it to the terminal on that comp?
[20:57] <dirtysouth_> oh nvm i think i get it
[20:57] <dirtysouth_> i download then copy paste
[20:57] <just_jon> what do I do with a single sign on number for support?
[20:58] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: You would copy and paste Just like you would in a text file but I don't actually think the text file is necessary at this point
[20:58] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  thats awesome i was just confused beacause the whole 2 computer thing
[20:58] <dirtysouth_> no worries anymore
[20:58] <bray90820> Alright
[20:59] <bray90820> But if it's needed you will download a text file and transfer it to your ubuntu machine
[20:59] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  I'm good with that i take it that its drop box too?
[21:00] <bray90820> Yes sir but it's not needed right now
[21:00] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[21:02] <bray90820> Ok so just to make things easier do "cp ~" then hit space then drag and drop the file on your desktop into the terminal then hit enter
[21:02] <bray90820> Without the quotes of course
[21:02] <dirtysouth_> kk one sec
[21:02] <dax> other way around
[21:02] <dax> it's cp source destination
[21:03] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: other way around
[21:03] <bray90820> That wa smy bad
[21:03] <dax> `cp -t ~ whatever` would work i guess
[21:03] <dirtysouth_> i got a window asking to extract
[21:04] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Hit cancel on that
[21:04] <dirtysouth_> kk so im typing something after the drag and dorp
[21:04] <dirtysouth_> drop
[21:05] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Lets start again first type "cp" then hut space then drag the file into the terminal then click on the terminal then hit space again and then type "~" without the quotes
[21:05] <dirtysouth_> ok one sec
[21:06] <bray90820> Let me know when your done with that
[21:07] <dirtysouth_>  sorry the os is running really slow for some reason
[21:07] <dirtysouth_> one sec
[21:08] <bray90820> Take your time
[21:08] <dirtysouth_> i did that and it just went to the next line
[21:09] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i did that i keep for getting to tag u
[21:09] <bray90820> Perfect
[21:09] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: It did exactly what it should have done
[21:09] <bray90820> now do "cd ~" without the quotes
[21:09] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  oh perfect i didn't know if that was bad or good
[21:10] <dirtysouth_> hit enter or anything after the cd and squiggly
[21:10] <dirtysouth_> ?
[21:10] <bray90820> yes hit enter after
[21:10] <dirtysouth_> kk its on the next line
[21:10] <bray90820> then type "pwd" without the qutes and hit enter
[21:11] <bray90820> What does it say
[21:11] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  /hom/matthew
[21:11] <dirtysouth_> home
[21:12] <bray90820> Perfect
[21:13] <bray90820> Now type "ls" wothout the quotes and hit enter and tell me if it lists the file from the desktop
[21:13] <dirtysouth_> i understand a very small amount f this from my brother but still this is like mandarin
[21:13] <dirtysouth_> is that a L or 1
[21:13] <dirtysouth_> l
[21:13] <bumblefuzz> lowercase
[21:13] <dirtysouth_> nvm
[21:13] <dirtysouth_> yes it lists it
[21:13] <bumblefuzz> try cp ~/Desktop/* ~/
[21:14] <dirtysouth_> it went o next line
[21:14] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: You don't need to
[21:15] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: Why did you have him do that?
[21:15] <dirtysouth_> oh crap sorry bout that
[21:15] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: "ls" again and tell me if the file is still there
[21:16] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: yes it is sorry i thought that was u thats my bad
[21:16] <bumblefuzz> bray90820: oh sorry, I thought you were having him copy it from the desktop to the home folder
[21:16] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: It's ok that didn't do any harm
[21:16] <bumblefuzz> then cd to home
[21:16] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: Can you let me take it from here
[21:16] <bumblefuzz> my bad, I'll stay out of it
[21:17] <Scungielli> is ubuntu ONLY 64 bit?
[21:17] <Scungielli> I've got an older 32 bit Laptop
[21:17] <dax> Scungielli: not currently
[21:17] <dax> there's been discussion in that direction, but nothing decided
[21:17] <Scungielli> where do I get the 32 bit iso
[21:17] <k1l_> Scungielli: no, but if your cpu is 64bit, install a 64bit os :)
[21:18] <genii> !download
[21:18] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  is there a way to lock your text in on chat
[21:18] <dirtysouth_> so i can tell through all the clutter
[21:18] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I will ping you every time does that help
[21:19] <dirtysouth_> ya its red
[21:19] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Ok
[21:19] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  that way i don't follow other people things my bad
[21:19] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Perfect
[21:21] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: So now without quotes "mv rtl8814AU-driver-4.3.21.zip rtl8814AU" then hit enter
[21:21] <InventorTechie> Not sure if anyone caught this earlier - Quick question: I am setting up another Ubuntu Gnome install on a new ThinkPad... I am not getting the option for "Install Ubuntu Gnome Alongside Windows 10." I have resized the disk already. 128gb each for both windows and linux basically. Ext4 for the Ubuntu partition.
[21:23] <dirtysouth_> is that gonna look different in terminal as i type it or no
[21:23] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  cut it is
[21:23] <dirtysouth_> cus
[21:23] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you mean is the file gonna be renamed?
[21:23] <bray90820> Scungielli: Because the answer to that is yes
[21:23] <dirtysouth_> no like as i type it starts putting in forward slashes
[21:24] <bray90820> Uh?
[21:24] <bray90820> Hang on
[21:24] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Hang on
[21:25] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Does it drop to the next line with the slash?
[21:25] <dirtysouth_> nah its good i just deleted what i was typing
[21:25] <dirtysouth_> and its working fine
[21:25] <dirtysouth_> just making sure i typed it right now
[21:26] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Ok so tell me whenever your done with that
[21:27] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  so i gto a message mv: cannot stat 'rt18814AU-driver-4.3.21.zip' : No such file or directory
[21:27] <bray90820> wha's the output of pwd?
[21:28] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: /home/matthew
[21:29] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Type in "mv rt1" and hit tab then leave it and tell me if it completed the file name for you?
[21:29] <dirtysouth_> ya it filled it in
[21:30] <bray90820> ok now on that same line hit space and type in  "rtl8814AU" without the quotes and hit enter
[21:30] <bray90820> dirtysouth_:
[21:30] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[21:30] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Tell me if that worked
[21:31] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it went to the next line
[21:31] <bray90820> Ok now type ls and tell me if the file is now called rtl8814AU
[21:31] <bray90820> dirtysouth_:
[21:32] <dirtysouth_> its shows multiples  just one is the file and one is the zip of the fike
[21:32] <dirtysouth_> file
[21:32] <bray90820> Hum
[21:32] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: try "cd rtl8814AU" without the quotes
[21:32] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: then hit enter
[21:34] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: then type "ls" without the quotes hit enter and tell me the name of one file in there doesn't matter which one
[21:34] <dirtysouth_> bray90820it replied with ~/rt18814AU$
[21:34] <dirtysouth_> oh
[21:34] <dirtysouth_> sorry
[21:34] <dirtysouth_> one sec for the ls
[21:35] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i am not sure what it responded with this time after ls
[21:35] <bray90820> What do you mean
[21:35] <dirtysouth_> um i don't know which thing u want
[21:35] <dirtysouth_> some words are blue some white
[21:35] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Ether one is fine
[21:36] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: White are files blue are folders
[21:36] <dirtysouth_> after ls it listed everything ill type it all out so u can see
[21:37] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I only need one line
[21:37] <bray90820> Doesn't matter which line
[21:37] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: clean   dams.conf    if cfg-wlan0     Kconfig  Makefile   platform   wlan0dhcp
[21:37] <dirtysouth_> thats the top line
[21:38] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i take it that line works?
[21:39] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Uh not 100% sure yet
[21:39] <dirtysouth_> oh sorry
[21:39] <dirtysouth_> lol
[21:40] <bray90820> It apperes everything is good so far
[21:40] <bray90820> dirtysouth_:
[21:40] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Now that we have done the setup we can now work on installing the driver
[21:40] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[21:41] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Type in "sudo make && sudo make install" then hit enter a lot of things will happen or well a lot of things should happen
[21:41] <dirtysouth_> with the and symbols too
[21:41] <dirtysouth_> ?
[21:42] <bray90820> Yes
[21:42] <dirtysouth_> password first
[21:42] <dirtysouth_> i take it
[21:43] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  a lot of stuff is happening yess
[21:43] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Yes you needed to enter the password sorry Iforgot about that
[21:43] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Just ping me whenever the hell that stuff is done
[21:44] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  its all good i figured it was admin password   i entered it all it did a ton of functions and is at a new line
[21:44] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: So it's done now?
[21:44] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  yes indeed sir
[21:45] <bray90820> Ok so now run this without the quotes and hit enter 'sudo modprobe -v 8814au" and it will ask for your password again
[21:45] <bray90820> dirtysouth_:
[21:45] <bray90820> Tell me if you get a line someone similar to this "insmod /lib/modules/4.4.0-59-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/8814au.ko"
[21:45] <stevehope> the terminal session will remeber his sudo ceditials
[21:45] <dirtysouth_> is that double space between v and the 8
[21:45] <dirtysouth_> ?
[21:45] <bray90820> *Something similar
[21:46] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Only 1 space
[21:46] <bray90820> It's always only 1 space
[21:46] <dirtysouth_> no password asked for
[21:46] <dirtysouth_> but it gave me what you said
[21:46] <dirtysouth_> and i can access wifi networks soemhow
[21:46] <dirtysouth_> hah
[21:46] <stevehope> ** the terminal session will remeber his sudo creditials
[21:47] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it works
[21:47] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: So you have wifi now?
[21:47] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i do ya that frwaking awesome
[21:47] <bray90820> One more thing to check
[21:47] <dirtysouth_> kk
[21:48] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i am standing by
[21:49] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Try "sudo rfkill list" without the quotes and hit enter
[21:49] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Does that give you a blank line?
[21:50] <dirtysouth_> no it said soft and hard blocked no
[21:50] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: So none of the lines are a yes?
[21:50] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  however i keep getting connected then disconnected
[21:50] <dirtysouth_> and none of the lines are a yes
[21:51] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Well were good there but lets see about the disconnecting
[21:51] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  yes please haha
[21:52] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Can you restart the computer?
[21:52] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  yes one sec
[21:55] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it reset and when it came back on the signal is solid so  i think its working
[21:56] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Your welcome
[21:56] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  oh so you think its good   i appreciate it man
[21:56] <bray90820> Yes I do think it's good
[21:56] <dfinn> what is the correct way to tell iptables to load additional modules in Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04?  on RH based systems there's a file named /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config where you can add a list of modules but I don't see a clean way to do it on my ubuntu systems
[21:56] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i really do appreciate it man
[21:57] <bray90820> It's no problem
[21:57] <bray90820> Now if I was there it would have been done much quicker
[21:57] <bray90820> I would have just typed 3 lines rebooted and been done
[21:57] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i believe it haha
[21:57] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i have no idea what I'm jumping around too
[21:58] <bray90820> I have a really fancy ubuntu home server setup with a dvr and 4tb of storage
[21:58] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: what was the problem  with it ?
[21:58] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: What do you mean?
[21:59] <bray90820> Do you mean why didn't the internet work from the start?
[21:59] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ya like what wasn't working
[21:59] <bray90820> Basically the driver wasn't installed
[22:00] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  oh well do you know how to get this computer to recognize more then one graphics card?
[22:00] <dirtysouth_> i can't get it to pick up more past number 2
[22:00] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Depends
[22:01] <bray90820> Is it a desktop?
[22:01] <dirtysouth_> yes it is
[22:01] <bray90820> Are they nvida or ati video cards?
[22:01] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it has 4 and soon to be 6 1070 gtx cards
[22:01] <dirtysouth_> by si
[22:01] <dirtysouth_> nvidia
[22:02] <bray90820> You wouldn't happen to have the model numbers of the cards would you?
[22:02] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ya one sec
[22:03] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  geforce GTX 1070
[22:03] <dirtysouth_> thats all it says on box
[22:03] <bray90820> Are all the cards the same?
[22:03] <dirtysouth_> yes
[22:03] <bray90820> Ok
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> my board is an asus dog hero VIII
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> ROG
[22:04] <bumblefuzz> dog?
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> haha
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> ya bad typung
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> typing
[22:04] <dirtysouth_> its hard with a broken finger bumblfuzz
[22:04] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: You wouldn't happen to know if there connected together through SLI would you
[22:05] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  no they are not
[22:05] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  they are running to pice slot through riser cards
[22:05] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  and powered through a modular power suppy
[22:05] <dirtysouth_> supply
[22:07] <scooterd> hello
[22:08] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: nvida is a bitch when it comes to linux here is a 12 second video from the creator of linux and his views on it
[22:08] <bray90820> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xyv032JvLw
[22:08] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  not to hit you with too many questions but my wifi keeps discconecitnj and asking for credentials every so often
[22:08] <scooterd> questiion is it hard to over write my existing system ubuntu 16.04
[22:08] <Ben64> no
[22:08] <bumblefuzz> lmao that video
[22:09] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: Yes that video
[22:09] <Nokaji> Hi, I'm unable to get my printer running, it used to work fine (Canon pixma MX925), still works fine in windows dual boot. In brief, I'm now getting "Failed to start cups.service: Unit cups.service is masked." - I don't even know what 'masked' means. I've tried reinstalling cups, I get multiple messages about dependencies etc AND i'M WORRIED i MAY BE BREAKING IT FASTER THAN i FIX IT
[22:09] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  haha
[22:09] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  just watched it so is there no way to get it to work ?
[22:09] <Nokaji> oops caps
[22:09] <bumblefuzz> they are getting a little better https://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[22:10] <bumblefuzz> granted that's still closed source
[22:10] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I don't know if your talking about the internet or the video cards but in eather case I think I can get it to work
[22:10] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ok haha i don't want to annoy you but could we get them to work ?
[22:10] <dirtysouth_>  or rather would u be willing?
[22:10] <scooterd> ben 64 was that for me ??
[22:11] <Ben64> scooterd: yeah, you can overwrite anything with relative ease
[22:11] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: Maybe if linux ditched X and went with mirror nvida might actually actually be  somewhat usable
[22:11] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Are you talking about the video cards or the internet?
[22:12] <scooterd> ben 64 good the reason my kodi keeps crashing  and i think its cause the guy who did my reload didn't wipe system
[22:12] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: both haha sorry i want the internet to stay working and i want to get the cards working too
[22:12] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Lets start with the internet
[22:12] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[22:13] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: How long does the internet stay working?
[22:13] <scooterd> bashing-om helped me couple weeks ago was good then crashed agian
[22:13] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  so basically it stays connected for a little bit then disconnects its self its sporadic sometimes 10 seconds sometimes 10 minutes
[22:14] <bumblefuzz> just mir? what about wayland?
[22:14] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it keeps trying to authenticate
[22:14] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Can you send me a text file?
[22:14] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  yes if i know how to do that haha
[22:14] <bumblefuzz> ah yes, 'sudo apt install pastebinit'
[22:15] <scooterd> ben64 is there a how to in forums ??
[22:15] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: The internet doesn't work so no he can't do that
[22:15] <Ben64> scooterd: best to explain the actual issue
[22:15] <bumblefuzz> still? sorry
[22:15] <bray90820> bumblefuzz: It's half working
[22:15] <dirtysouth_>   ya its keeps disconnecting
[22:15] <scooterd> ben64 my kodi keeps crashing other wise system works good]
[22:16] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Right click on the desktop the click new document then click empty document
[22:16] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk done
[22:16] <scooterd> ben64 thinking system wasn,t over wrote when the guy installed 16.04
[22:16] <hyperbeam> i'm here because i'm wondering if i should triple boot
[22:16] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Ok now open the terminal
[22:17] <Ben64> scooterd: you're still not explaining anything
[22:17] <hyperbeam> whatever
[22:17] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk I'm there
[22:18] <scooterd> ben64 basically my kodi keeeps crashing and im thinking its the way the guy installed 16.04 should it not be wiped then install ??
[22:18] <bray90820> type in "lspci -vnn | grep -i net" without the quotes and hit enter
[22:18] <bray90820> dirtysouth_:
[22:18] <dirtysouth_> got it stand by please
[22:18] <Nokaji> trying something ... rebooting...
[22:19] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  so I'm being real i can't find the vertical bar
[22:19] <dirtysouth_> i feel dumb
[22:20] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Move your mouse to the top of the screen
[22:20] <dirtysouth_>  bray90820  i did that
[22:20] <bray90820> Did that work?
[22:20] <dirtysouth_> still no bar
[22:21] <krobzaur> Hello all, got a question about configuring Xserver/X11 on a headless server. I have an ubuntu 16.04 server with no graphical software installed atm. I want to set it up to forward graphical apps using X11 forwarding via ssh or xpra. What packages do I need to install on the server itself?
[22:21] <scooterd> ben64 i've deleted kodi ,purged it and try reinstall  works good for 2 weeks
[22:21] <hyperbeam> is there a hexchat support server?
[22:21] <krobzaur> I think all I need is xauth, but I just wanted to double check
[22:21] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you menu menu bar when you say vertical bar?
[22:21] <hyperbeam> Is there a HexChat support server
[22:21] <bray90820> *Do you mean menu bar
[22:21] <hyperbeam> ?????
[22:21] <dirtysouth_> no i mean the command you typed that vertical bar you used to separate it
[22:22] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Oh that was my bad
[22:22] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: so i don't need that?
[22:22] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: You do need it and It's above the backslash
[22:23] <dirtysouth_> HAHAHAA
[22:23] <dirtysouth_> im stupid
[22:23] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: In linux it's called a pipe
[22:23] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  noted i will remember that
[22:24] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i got the command entered
[22:24] <bray90820> Hit enter
[22:24] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it pulled up a bunch of stuff about the asus ethernet wifi dongle
[22:25] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Can you copy and paste that in the text file and send it to me?
[22:26] <afox> exit
[22:28] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  drop box ?
[22:28] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: That will work
[22:33] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  do you have an email to send it too
[22:33] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  its being stupid
[22:33] <bray90820> You can't paste it here?
[22:35] <dirtysouth_> www.dropbox.com/home?preview=bray+files
[22:35] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: that should be it
[22:35] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  first time using dropbox
[22:36] <bray90820> Assuming your doing this from your mac Right click on the file in dropbox and click copy dropbox link then paste here
[22:37] <dirtysouth_> oh no lol i made the file and stored it in drop box in linux
[22:37] <dirtysouth_> ill get the link on the mac if thats better
[22:37] <bray90820> That
[22:37] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: That's probably easier
[22:40] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  its just not letting me copy the link I'm in the file section on drop box and right clicking the file itself
[22:40] <bray90820> better idea
[22:40] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk sorry dude
[22:40] <bray90820> use pastebin.com to paste it
[22:40] <scooterd> hello need some help please
[22:42] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[22:43] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i made it brayclovis
[22:43] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Can you paste the entire link?
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastern.com/frysQ6MT
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> pastebin
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> sorry
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> ill have this down in a minute
[22:45] <bray90820> It's ok
[22:45] <bray90820> Haha
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> btw the graphs are running through the cpu and one of the cards is getting pretty darn warm
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> and the fans aren't kicking on
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> should i worry about tit
[22:45] <dirtysouth_> it
[22:46] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Not sure without more investigation
[22:47] <dirtysouth_> hmm im gonna not worry for now
[22:47] <kostas> Hello I have a question, which distro do you think will work best for my AMD drivers?
[22:47] <dirtysouth_> the cpu has a cooler
[22:47] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  on a side note the internet has stayed connected this entire time
[22:48] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i am not sure if thats just luck or what
[22:48] <bray90820> I will be able to tell once I get the paste
[22:49] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  dude my bad
[22:49] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i thought i pasted it Wth
[22:49] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastern.com/frysQ6MT
[22:49] <bray90820> Oh you pasted me something but it didn't work I thought you were gonan repaste it that was my bad
[22:49] <dirtysouth_> ya i am
[22:49] <dirtysouth_> sorry
[22:50] <kostas> Is anyone able to help?
[22:50] <dirtysouth_> pastebin.com/frysQ6MT
[22:50] <dirtysouth_> thats it
[22:50] <dirtysouth_> i was being autocorrected
[22:50] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Just to note that says pastern you needed to send me pastebin but I got it working
[22:50] <Katronix> Hey all, a while ago OerHeks helped me with a WiFi issue. I can turn it on now, however its really slow, currently using a friend's wifi usb dongle and its streaming a YouTube video much better than the built in Wifi is. Is there a way to see how I have it configured wrong for the built in wifi?
[22:51] <Sou> oi
[22:51] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ya sorry about that dude it keeps auto correcting me
[22:51] <bray90820> It's ok
[22:51] <bray90820> Ok that paste was weird
[22:52] <Sirilo> 123
[22:52] <Sou> Oi bruno
[22:52] <dirtysouth_> that was the line right after the command
[22:52] <skinux> What command will give me all hardware specificaitons of my machine?
[22:52] <Sou> Parada Interessante né?
[22:52] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: can you close and reopen the terminal then type in "dmesg" without the quotes and paste me whatever it says it will be a lot of stuff
[22:53] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  on it
[22:53] <Sou> Carvalho onde eu to
[22:53] <Sirilo> I am sirilo
[22:53] <dirtysouth_> Dear lord
[22:53] <dirtysouth_> just a sec more
[22:53] <bray90820> I told you it would be a lot
[22:53] <Katronix> OerHeks, any chance you can help me some more with the new slowness issue?
[22:55] <dirtysouth_> is there a way to select all ?
[22:56] <raymondillo> skinux: Try sudo lshw in a term.
[22:56] <skinux> How come lspci gives only generic hardware names?
[22:56] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  or no
[22:56] <dirtysouth_> ?
[22:57] <l33n> /etc/network/interfaces is no longer considered, it seems what is in dhcpcd.conf is what's recognized
[22:57] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: in the menu bar under edit
[22:57] <l33n> anywone know why
[22:59] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastebin.com/kbAsj4Cu
[22:59] <dirtysouth_> there u go
[22:59] <Jacob843> Howdy. I am trying to install Ubuntu on a R730XD with software raid on the two SSDs in the back flex bays. My partition layout is at ( https://i.imgur.com/vvk3s3S.png ). After installation, I just get a black screen, no GRUB or anything. I booted into rescue with the installer and GRUB is definitely installed. Before this, I even tried having GRUB on a single disk (1GB allocated), then setting up RAID on the remaining space with
[22:59] <Jacob843> LVM, but even that was giving me a black screen. Is there anything I should explicitly be trying on the 730xd to get Ubuntu to load up?
[23:00] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Got it looking it over now
[23:00] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  good to go man
[23:02] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Jacob843 Maybe a graphic's issue ?
[23:02] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Do you need to use wifi or could you use ethernet
[23:02] <awesomess3> Jacob843: were you able to use any other OSes with the current RAID hardware configuration? I enabled RAID on my computer one time by changing jumpers on the motherboard and moving some cables and tried to install Debian 3.0 a long time ago, but I had problems so I just had them at two different IDEs (that is, no RAID :c, WAAAAAAAAAH, to this day one of the worst moments of my life).
[23:03] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i might be able to figure out a way to rewire the house to make ethernet work but wireless would be so much easier
[23:03] <Jacob843> awesomess3, aye, we were able to load FreeNAS 9 and 10 just fine, but that proved to be too unstable for our workload, so we want straight up Ubuntu.
[23:03] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  I'm building like 6 to 7 more machines like this
[23:03] <Jacob843> awesomess3, however, FreeNAS ZFS'd a boot system and there was no manually partitioning taking place.
[23:03] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Alright we'll contunie with wifi
[23:05] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Close and reopen the terminal then type in "dmesg | grep -i usb" without the quotes then hit enter and paste that to me
[23:05] <bray90820> Assuming your wifi card is usb
[23:06] <Jacob843> Bashing-om, will try. Not sure if this counts, but iDrac enterprise console has the same issue
[23:07] <skinux> Would someone be willing to take a look at my hardware specs and a list of apps I typically use, and tell me if it's normal for my machine to be sluggish?
[23:07] <Sirilo> dghdfgh
[23:07] <Sirilo> ghdfgh
[23:07] <Sirilo> fhfh
[23:07] <Sirilo> dfgh
[23:07] <Sirilo> dfh
[23:07] <Sirilo> df
[23:07] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastebin.com/69fqh0i4
[23:08] <YankDownUnder> skinux: What appears to be the issue?
[23:08] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i wish i could understand how your finding what your looking for in all of that
[23:08] <bray90820> You'll pick up a lot over time
[23:09] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i hope so i wanna be able to do that this is like being a computer doctor
[23:10] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: What brand is the wifi card?
[23:10] <dirtysouth_> Asus
[23:11] <Herbalist> Ubuntu philosophy   ---   https://aeon.co/ideas/descartes-was-wrong-a-person-is-a-person-through-other-persons
[23:11] <skinux> My issue is that my system tends to get sluggish and I don't really think it should be.
[23:11] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Honestly it seems to be setup correctly
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> skinux: What desktop are you using and what graphics card do you have?
[23:12] <skinux> MATE
[23:12] <skinux> Let me try to find out
[23:12] <tgm4883> also, define "sluggish"
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Ok...so that's the desktop...
[23:13] <skinux> Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core Processor Graphics Controler
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> "Sluggish" = not lightning fast, light speed! Warp 9.9! :)
[23:13] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  maybe it was like a temporary glitch when i installed ubuntu the other day i couldnt get it to boot up or show up at all all it would do is go to black screen i kept trying and then got and error message screen then it came on and installed
[23:13] <awesomess3> Jacob843: what? how did the hard drives get partitioned in the first place if there was no manual partitioning in the past?
[23:13] <dirtysouth_> so i am hoping that my install wasn't bad
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Onboard graphics controller...yersh?
[23:13]  * tgm4883 throws a rubber bear at YankDownUnder
[23:13] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i tried doing it the way i have always done it
[23:13] <skinux> It can take a couple of seconds to switch between programs, sometimes it can take several.
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> tgm4883: :)
[23:14] <Jacob843> awesomess3, freenas handled everything itself. From my understanding, it put everything in a zfs1 setup then installed freebsd to that.
[23:14] <skinux> YankDownUnder: This is a laptop, so I assume so.
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Is it safe to assume you've installed all the proper drivers for the system?
[23:14] <skinux> Umm, that I honestly don't know about.
[23:14] <Jacob843> awesomess3, that image I linked is the current partition scheme that I manually did. Before I installed Ubuntu I wiped all drives and started fresh.
[23:14] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  anyways if you think its good ill leave it that way. i do seriously appreciate the effort to look at it
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right oh - one thing at a time - step by step, yersh? Yersh. Right...how much RAM do you have? 8gb?
[23:14] <skinux> I don't remember if I've specifically installed any drivers or if I'm using only what Ubuntu comes with.
[23:14] <tgm4883> skinux: 3rd gen. What's the output of 'free -m' and 'lscpu' use pastebin
[23:14] <tgm4883> !pastebin | skinux
[23:15] <skinux> I have 4GB RAM and 4GB SWAP
[23:15] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Right oh - can you please do as tgm4883 suggested, please?
[23:16] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  if u are able to look at the card issue tonight I'm game but i can understand if nah
[23:17] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/76049438703a43ab9048f466c0be76f1
[23:17] <tgm4883> skinux: well there's your problem
[23:17] <skinux> ??
[23:17] <tgm4883> skinux: you're swapping quite a bit
[23:17] <awesomess3> Jacob843: what's wrong with ubuntu's default erase-partitioning during install?
[23:17] <tgm4883> and swap is slow
[23:18] <skinux> How do I fix that?
[23:18] <skinux> Is there still a swappiness setting?
[23:18] <awesomess3> tgm4883: skinux: inxi -F #show CPU, RAM, partition size, & live/connected hard/usb drive sizes.
[23:18] <Jacob843> awesomess3, I need software raid on the two SSD's in the back; this is a for an enterprise customer and needs redundancy. Normally I'd do HW raid, but since we thought we were going to use FreeNAS, we only got a crappy S130 raid controller from Dell.
[23:19] <Vysty> Can anyone help me install Japan input on 16.04 using Moritz?
[23:19] <tgm4883> awesomess3: that's not super helpful at the moment...
[23:20] <awesomess3> Jacob843: software RAID? That sounds..................that sounds retarded. That defeats the purpose of RAID because it's the hardware that makes it efficient.
[23:20] <Vysty> Excuse me, not Moritz. Mozc.
[23:20] <Jacob843> awesomess3, yes it is not ideal, but we didn't expect FreeNAS to fall out. This is what I have currently
[23:20] <YankDownUnder> skinux: In conjunction with what tgm4883 is advising - if you walked in to my office with this issue, the first thing I'd be suggesting would be to bump up the RAM to 8gb...my next suggest would be to use XFce or some other desktop that wasn't so graphics intensive (turn off compsitiing and all that jazz)
[23:20] <awesomess3> tgm4883: oh really? Well IMO it's better than 'free -m' and 'lscpu'
[23:21] <tgm4883> awesomess3: where in this output does it show me SWAP usage?
[23:22] <awesomess3> tgm4883: it's in black text so it blends into the background of your terminal
[23:22] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/76049438703a43ab9048f466c0be76f1
[23:22] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I dont have time right now but i will be back in like 6 hours if you'll be around
[23:22] <tgm4883> skinux: "ps aux --sort=-%mem | awk 'NR<=10{print $0}'"
[23:23] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Can you paste me one more thing
[23:23] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  is there a way i might be able to like keep in contact aside from here i will have other technical issues that my brother cant solve and i am trying to get these rigs up and running for my family
[23:23] <dirtysouth_> ya
[23:23] <bray90820> "sudo modprobe -v 8814au" without the quotes
[23:23] <skinux> What is all that? Tons of numbers in the output.
[23:23] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: I would prefer to keep it on here
[23:23] <tgm4883> awesomess3: ah, it's under partitions. I'm guessing that the -F is full, so there's no more information it could give me
[23:24] <tgm4883> skinux: the command I gave you should show your top 10 ram users
[23:24] <dirtysouth_> kk i am new to this and don't know how to find people on here
[23:24] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  im typing it now
[23:24] <bray90820> Thanks
[23:24] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/76049438703a43ab9048f466c0be76f1
[23:25] <dirtysouth_> is the au caps or no
[23:25] <tgm4883> skinux: do you know what /usr/share/code/code is?
[23:26] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: the au is not in caps
[23:26] <tgm4883> oh it's vscode
[23:26] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  it came back with blank line
[23:27] <tgm4883> skinux: I'd see if you can't bump your system up to 8GB of RAM
[23:27] <skinux> That's not going to happen any  time soon.
[23:27] <YankDownUnder> tgm4883: Zackly roight.
[23:27] <tgm4883> skinux: vscode looks to be using quite a bit of memory, and all your chrome tabs aren't helping either
[23:27] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: Try it one more time
[23:27] <bray90820> "sudo modprobe -v 8814au"
[23:28] <skinux> So, bottom line, my problem is that I'm using up all my memory?
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Have you considered using a different desktop manager that eats up the least amount of system (overall) resource? Like XFce or WindowMaker or something lighter?
[23:28] <tgm4883> skinux: yea, that's a problem
[23:28] <skinux> I thought MATE WAS a desktop that used less memory
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> skinux: Mate/Gnome/Cinnamon - not to mention Unity - eat up heaps of resource...
[23:28] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  nothing man same just wen to next line
[23:28] <bray90820> I'll look into that
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> skinux: No. Not really. Mate uses heaps of resource...heaps
[23:29] <skinux> Hmm.
[23:29]  * YankDownUnder hugs WindowMaker
[23:29] <awesomess3> skinux: tgm4883: this is fun! https://gist.github.com/psycho23/ee0b397e2a6f23f508ee00cb9282812b
[23:30] <dirtysouth_> bray90820: you want me to hold off and wait for you till tomorrow or another time so someone else doesn't jack up my rig and make it harder to set up the graphics cards
[23:30] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  i won't be able to be on tonight in 6 hours but tomorrow i can e=be
[23:30] <bray90820> That wold be good
[23:31] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  ill hold up till tomorrow for the cards then   or another time you choose. is that command i typed supposed to spit something back
[23:32] <tgm4883> YankDownUnder: skinux mate itself looks pretty light  https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments/
[23:32] <tgm4883> not the lightest but still good
[23:32] <skinux> OKay
[23:33] <YankDownUnder> tgm4883: I'm still huggin my WindowMaker...sometimes E17...sometimes XFce...but mostly WindowMaker (I'm very old fashioned and a skinflint)
[23:33] <tgm4883> granted we're talking not much, I'd be more concerned with the massive amounts of memory that chrome is sucking up
[23:33] <dirtysouth_> skinflint ?
[23:33] <YankDownUnder> dirtysouth_: Economical.
[23:33] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: One more thing close and open terminal then type "ifconfig" without the quotes and paste me that
[23:33] <dirtysouth_> YankDownUnder:  thanks for the new word ill be using that at work
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> dirtysouth_: It's an ancient word, but hey, that's cool stuff... :)
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> dirtysouth_: Skinflint -> Scrooge, miser, pennypincher...and etc.
[23:36] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastebin.com/Pt5h4Au5
[23:37] <dirtysouth_> YankDownUnder:  i have heard the other but that one is new
[23:37] <dirtysouth_> YankDownUnder:  do you know what a clowder is ?
[23:37] <dirtysouth_> YankDownUnder:  it isn't relevant to money or computer btw
[23:39] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: close and open terminal again and paste the output of this "sudo lshw -C network"
[23:39] <bray90820> Without the quotes
[23:39] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  kk
[23:41] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  pastebin.com/aaGrpd4b
[23:44] <bray90820> dirtysouth_: ugh
[23:44] <bray90820> There is something I'm looking for that I can't find :P
[23:44] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  haha i feel like i broke it
[23:45] <bray90820> Do you see the wifi icon on the right side of the menu bar?
[23:45] <dirtysouth_> like from the home screen
[23:45] <dirtysouth_> yes
[23:45] <dirtysouth_> i see the fan icon
[23:46] <bray90820> Rick click then click edit connection and tell me what it says under name
[23:47] <dirtysouth_> it lists ethernet wired connection one and under that wifi and my home network
[23:48] <bray90820> Does it say wlan0?
[23:48] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  no
[23:49] <bray90820> For crying out loud haha
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> bray90820:  is that a bad thing
[23:49] <bray90820> I think I will need to continue this later
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> right on man
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> dont stress it
[23:49] <bray90820> Not a bad thing just means I need to find the right command
[23:49] <bray90820> See you later dude
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> u on tomorrow
[23:49]  * bray90820 gone phishing 
[23:49] <bray90820> 'll be here tomorrow
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> kk
[23:49] <dirtysouth_> ill se u on
[23:50] <Lapotor> hello in older versions of ubuntu <16.04 you can easily run initctl cmd but now you can't so my question is if you know an similar cmd  for initctl reload-configuration without changing to upstart?
[23:53] <tgm4883> Lapotor: without changing to upstart? It's systemd now
[23:53] <Lapotor> yeah but i don't found the similar cmd for systemd tgm4883
[23:54] <tgm4883> Lapotor: does 'systemctl' do what you need?
[23:55] <tgm4883> Lapotor: assuming that you're looking for changes in the unit files, should be "systemctl daemon-reload" I believe
[23:55] <Lapotor> tgm4883 they all do that but i didn't found the cmd from systemd to do the same as 'initctl reload-configuration'
[23:55] <tgm4883> Lapotor: what does "initctl reload-configuration" do
[23:58] <Lapotor> tgm4883 it force the init daemon to reload its configuration files.
[23:58] <tgm4883> Lapotor: that's what the command I just gave you does
[23:58] <tgm4883> Lapotor: 'systemctl daemon-reload'
[23:58] <Lapotor> tgm4883: great thanks
[23:58] <Lapotor> will test it on my installer
[23:59] <tgm4883> Lapotor: on your installer?
[23:59] <Keamy> cheers
[23:59] <tgm4883> Lapotor: why not use a .deb?
[23:59] <Lapotor> tgm will do later on