[10:04] <akxwi-dave> testing the rebuilds  do you want this bug 1681655 marking as confirmed? I know you mentioned this previously.. but its not really a bug..
[10:04] <knome> arf
[10:05] <knome> do we think we should do something about that?
[10:06] <akxwi-dave> stick a pictur of a zapus on its back
[10:06] <akxwi-dave> picture*
[10:08] <knome> i was thinking something else that sunsets the animal imagery nicely
[10:08] <knome> and is a fun pun too
[10:08] <knome> eg. a zapus nest in the ground with  Z z Z z Z z  coming from it
[10:09] <knome> but only if we think we want to replace the artwork...
[10:18] <knome> bluesabre, ^ you *want* to do another upload?: P
[10:18] <bluesabre> knome: don't think I can upload slideshow
[10:18] <knome> mm, right, of course
[10:18] <knome> how do you feel about having the yak there yourself then?
[10:20] <bluesabre> could be worse
[10:21] <bluesabre> but you can probably get somebody to upload and we can respin
[10:21] <knome> mhm
[10:21] <knome> "fun" :P
[10:22] <knome> how does QA feel about respinning?
[10:22] <knome> akxwi-dave?
[10:22] <knome> flocculant?
[10:24] <akxwi-dave> aye if its uploaded don't min a respin..   
[10:24] <knome> oki
[10:24] <knome> then i'll try to make it happen today
[10:25] <knome> i need to do a few things first, then i might have time to work on the art before leaving; otherwise, it won't be until the evening
[10:25] <akxwi-dave> you know damn well  that will be the thing that gets picked up and moaned about rather than anything else
[10:25] <knome> yep :(
[10:26] <akxwi-dave> you can see the headline.. "Xubuntu releases with old art work"  rather than "Xubuntu team fixes Thunar bug and delivers stable desktop"
[10:26] <knome> "Xubuntu releases with an old fart" rather
[10:27] <akxwi-dave> pmsl.. just spat my coffee over my onitor
[10:27] <knome> ;)=
[10:27] <akxwi-dave> monitor*
[10:34] <bluesabre> "Xubuntu releases with a finely aged vintage yak"
[10:45] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[10:54] <flocculant> knome: if it's respun someone will likely test something
[10:55] <flocculant> and I wouldn't care if the last slide was without a different rat on it :p
[10:56] <knome> yup
[10:57] <knome> ok, got to go now
[10:57] <knome> i'll be back in the evening
[10:57] <knome> hf meanwhile
[11:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: ever thought of removing the Clear History items from the 2 menu choices in parole it appears in - and just having 1?
[11:09] <flocculant> or having 1 that only removes parole history and not all the histories I can find ...
[11:10] <flocculant> pick the right clear history and you can invalid a bug :p
[11:19] <bluesabre> flocculant: which one removes everything?
[11:20] <bluesabre> and they're different histories, so removing one wouldn't make much sense
[11:20] <bluesabre> fixing the broken one would :)
[11:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: the clear history in the open location option crashes parole
[11:21] <bluesabre> doesn't seem to here
[11:21] <flocculant> the clear history in open recent clears all history - like mousepad history and the like
[11:21] <bluesabre> that's definitely a problem
[11:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: it doesn't crash here - boot a vanilla install and try it - or vm
[11:22] <flocculant> the crash ot the clear history clears everything? 
[11:22] <flocculant> :)
[11:24] <bluesabre> well, that's a lovely crash
[11:25] <bluesabre> looks like I've got some work to do :D
[11:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: is clear history from the 'open' menu supposed to actually clear mousepad type history? 
[11:26] <flocculant> if not I'll sort out some sensible bug reports a bit quick so I can release note better
[11:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: no, it should only clear parole file types... but that might be overreaching since parole can read text m3u files
[11:26] <bluesabre> I'll debug it tonight
[11:26] <flocculant> ok - well I need to release note something :)
[11:27] <bluesabre> bug report away :D
[11:27] <bluesabre> I'll review the notes tonight
[11:27] <flocculant> I can report this afternoon before your tonight :D
[11:27] <flocculant> in the meantime - bbl - have a good day :)
[12:15] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[14:05] <stevehope> @flocculant morning, yesterday we discussed testing the browser/irc link during slideshow, and if was availible in other Ubuntu distributions, and if it should be tested at against. Just noticed this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144 in which the slideshow browser link didn't work, suggesting it should be specifically tested during slideshow, vs post install browser test
[14:05] <meetingology> stevehope: Error: "flocculant" is not a valid command.
[14:06] <stevehope> flocculant morning, yesterday we discussed testing the browser/irc link during slideshow, and if was availible in other Ubuntu distributions, and if it should be tested at against. Just noticed this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144 in which the slideshow browser link didn't work, suggesting it should be specifically tested during slideshow, vs post install browser test
[16:15] <flocculant> stevehope: might be so, however I'm not convinced 
[16:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: re EOL - what exactly is the state of that? When we have an LTS which goes EOL - do ALL 14.04 packages continue to receive updates? And is EOL effectively a social thing - eg we say 3 years and then our position is install a newer one?
[16:52] <flocculant> as far as I know the latter is the reality
[17:01] <flocculant> ochosi: can we get the available versions for parole bugzilla updated :)
[18:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm still procrastinating on the release notes - but it would be nice if you could edit the second sentence for me - doesn't need to be much :) http://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/17.04/release-notes
[18:50] <knome> it'll be like one more hour until i get to the slide art... but then i will definitely get into it
[18:59] <flocculant> knome: with luck you might manage to persuade people to allow it in before they do next global respin
[19:00] <flocculant> looks like another on the cards
[20:09] <flocculant> stevehope: can you report a bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug and we'll see what other people think on that :)
[20:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: I finished procrastinating now ;)
[20:14] <stevehope> flocculant, I want to see if I can replicate the ubiquity bug first, of the top of my head i think it was from the kubuntu final... on my todo list
[20:18] <flocculant> ok
[20:19] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/slideshow-1704/zapus_slide.png
[20:19] <stevehope> btw it doesn't impact the current Xubuntu ISOs in testing
[20:19] <knome> flocculant, akxwi-dave, bluesabre: ^
[20:20] <knome> maybe add some grass
[20:20] <stevehope> as i specfically checked for it in my tests
[20:21] <stevehope> acutally the links are on 4 or five of the slides
[20:22] <flocculant> knome: wfm :)
[20:25] <stevehope> no need to replicate it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681144/+activity
[20:28] <flocculant> yea just read that bug
[20:29] <flocculant> knome: the only thing is that might put people in mind of boring - looks (probably deliberately) like cartoon zzzz's
[20:30] <knome> yep
[20:30] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/slideshow-1704/zapus_slide_2.png
[20:30] <knome> we can do some fancier oblique Z's if we want to...
[20:30] <flocculant> just wonder if it would be better without the z's at all
[20:31] <knome> nope
[20:31] <knome> too empty
[20:31] <flocculant> unless the council has decided there's going to be no aa and we're all sacked
[20:31] <knome> lol
[20:32] <flocculant> not sure - seems like we're playing into the hands of the naysayers 
[20:33] <flocculant> oh look xubuntu is so boring even the slideshow's gone to sleep 
[20:33] <knome> heh.
[20:34] <knome> we can just counter them by saying the release codename initals are ZZ
[20:34] <knome> that's why i think this is the best time to do this :P
[20:35] <knome> or maybe the z's need to be considerably bigger.
[20:36] <flocculant> like so big there are just 2 ;)
[20:36] <knome> yep.
[20:36] <flocculant> that would make more sense - at least to me
[20:37] <flocculant> and I'm assuming this is in the sunset the animals thing for us?
[20:37] <knome> yeah, i'm thinking it is
[20:37] <knome> it's a lot of work for little benefit
[20:37] <flocculant> yea yea - understood :)
[20:38] <flocculant> though if you remember to our discussion a while back - we could hand it over to community - early - and see what comes up
[20:39] <knome> yeah
[20:39] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/slideshow-1704/zapus_slide_3.png
[20:39] <knome> better?
[20:39] <flocculant> maybe the top one more faded? 
[20:39] <knome> you mean like invisible to people with crappy monitors? :P
[20:40] <flocculant> but yea - happier with that than zzzzz's :)
[20:40] <flocculant> knome: ha ha 
[20:40] <knome> i'm not kidding...
[20:40] <flocculant> just be thankful you're not trying to make me see an elliptircle
[20:40] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/slideshow-1704/zapus_slide_4.png
[20:41] <knome> i think i'm happy with this, we should get it uploaded
[20:41] <flocculant> knome: yea - that's better imo
[20:41] <knome> cyphermox, o hiiiii....!
[20:42] <flocculant> he's all gnome and gdm and bugs in -release atm :)
[20:42] <knome> cyphermox, willing to do a slideshow upload if i prepare the stuff and do the paperwork for freezes?
[20:42]  * cyphermox cries
[20:42] <cyphermox> ;)
[20:42] <knome> sssh! i don't know that so i an ask him with good conscience!
[20:42] <cyphermox> it's so very late for a slideshow update.
[20:42] <knome> it's just a png
[20:43] <knome> i can push the changes for you in a branch if you want to look at the massive diff :P
[20:43] <cyphermox> sure, but still; you get finger wagging and a stern look
[20:43]  * knome takes the wagging and look graciously
[20:43] <flocculant> cyphermox: he's a very bad boy
[20:43] <cyphermox> but yeah, I'll review and upload to the queue, and if infinity is happy he's let it in
[20:43] <knome> oki, thanks
[20:43] <flocculant> thanks cyphermox 
[20:44] <knome> do you want the paperwork done?
[20:44] <stevehope> prehaps change it from Thank you, to 
[20:44] <cyphermox> mea culpa, I should perhaps have harassed people in getting slideshows ready earlier
[20:44] <knome> this is our own fault... we even have or main updates done
[20:44] <flocculant> stevehope: it's rather late for word changes :)
[20:44] <knome> yeah, no word changes
[20:44] <knome> for 17.10 then
[20:45] <cyphermox> knome: you're not the only one; the slideshow has been a mess this cycle
[20:45] <stevehope> Well you're comitted now Xubuntu overwriting hardrive, you're not scewed if you only have one computer because.... lol
[20:45] <knome> cyphermox, that doesn't make it not our fault :P
[20:45] <cyphermox> meh
[20:45] <flocculant> stevehope: stick around next cycle - you can get in on these things when we do them - all about freezes
[20:45] <cyphermox> personally, I rather late than not polished for this cycle
[20:46] <knome> so, err, let me push...
[20:46] <cyphermox> it looks rather worse if it still reads "16.10" and yakketys, as opposed to if it's "late" and nobody noticed because we snuck it in some respin.
[20:46] <flocculant> :)
[20:47] <flocculant> it did last week ... 
[20:47] <cyphermox> hehe
[20:47] <cyphermox> I know I did my fair share of manually fixing translations ;)
[20:48] <knome> cyphermox, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/778
[20:48] <knome> cyphermox, let me ask again... do you want the official paperwork?
[20:49] <knome> the xubuntu docs team approves (me), the xubuntu artwork team approves (me), the xubuntu council approves (me), the ubuntu documentation team approves (me)
[20:49] <cyphermox> yes, please file a bug and merge proposal
[20:49] <knome> does not affect translations
[20:49] <knome> merge proposal? :P
[20:49] <cyphermox> no problem
[20:49] <knome> i just pushed to the main branch...
[20:49] <cyphermox> ah, good enough
[20:49] <knome> but i'll go file that bug
[20:49] <cyphermox> sorry, just running on autopilot..
[20:49] <knome> just a sec
[20:52] <flocculant> I assume the new driverless printing thing will work on Xubuntu? anyone got any clue there ...
[20:52] <knome> cyphermox, bug 1681940
[20:53] <flocculant> knome: thanks for doing that stuff :)
[20:53] <knome> no worries
[20:53] <knome> i'm so seasoned doing this i don't even notice ;P
[20:53] <flocculant> hah
[20:53] <knome> maybe that's not a good thing though...
[20:53] <knome> well it's been a while since i did the last exception paperwork
[20:54] <flocculant> does that bug need a qa ack?
[20:54] <knome> well, you can add one if you think it does :P
[20:55] <knome> usually i think it's the reporters problem if the local QA team attacks them
[20:55] <knome> not the headache of the release team...
[20:55] <flocculant> :)
[20:55] <knome> especially since this change only affects image and simple text files :P
[20:55] <knome> there is 0 regression potential
[20:55] <flocculant> yea 
[20:55] <knome> (and when i say that, this change will blow our ISO)
[20:56] <flocculant> just didn't want to go to sleep and it be needed :D
[20:58] <flocculant> knome: re slideshow - next cycle, if we are looking to completely change things - let's do that earlier :)
[20:59] <knome> absolutely
[22:46] <bluesabre> flocculant: re EOL - Packages not maintained by us continue getting updates while they are supported, but we  don't guarantee any support ourselves.  If we wanted to, we could continue support as long as the archive is open
[22:57] <knome> ochosi, did you see the new slideshow animal art?
[22:57] <knome> cyphermox, did you talk infinity into uploading it yet? ;)
[22:58] <cyphermox> sorry, I hadn't gotten back to your slideshow yet
[22:59] <ochosi> knome: haven't had time yet
[22:59] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/slideshow-1704/zapus_slide_4.png
[23:01] <cyphermox> uploading now
[23:01] <ochosi> knome: haha, very subtle!
[23:02] <knome> cyphermox, thank you very much sir
[23:23] <Unit193> Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (zesty-proposed/main) [124 => 125]
[23:24] <knome> woooo