[04:26] <Jef91> What is the command to start Xubuntu default window manager? I installed compiz by default, but don't like it. Want to switch back to what I had
[04:26] <Jef91> Using xubuntu 16.04
[07:14] <frodox> Hi guys. I really surprised that there is no ssh-server running after installation. How about enabling it by default..?
[07:16] <Unit193> I'd say a decent number of desktop users don't need that, the ones that do know they can install it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Policies#No_Open_Ports
[08:04] <frodox> and no firewall enabled..:D
[10:27] <Delvien> Anyone know how to fix the issue of network managers popup menu being really small and having to scroll through it just to get all the options?
[10:29] <Delvien> http://imgur.com/a/wtjci
[12:33] <xubuntu53w> my xubuntu os does not recognize the 4x6 photo tray from hp 7640 all in one envy
[12:36] <pmjdebruijn> define does not recognize?
[12:36] <pmjdebruijn> what does that mean?
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> you can't select the tray?
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> you can select it, but the printer still takes paper from another tray?
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> is your printer properly added as a hp 7640?
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu53w: ?
[12:38] <xubuntu53w> it will not let you select it from the printer screen. correctly added from a licensed installer
[12:39] <xubuntu53w> version 16.04
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> "licensed installer"?
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> what does that mean?
[12:39] <xubuntu53w> he knows what he's doing
[12:40] <pmjdebruijn> ?
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu53w: i'm trying to understand your exact situation
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> having that explicitly stated here, will increase your changes of anybody being to help you
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> so what exactly do you mean by a licensed installer?
[12:42] <xubuntu53w> can only print from the 8.5x11 and not from the 4x6 tray, the option on the printer screen does not let you select it, though it is an option from that model. What I have read it is a software issue
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> possibly
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> but where did your driver come from?
[12:42] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu itself, or did you install something third party?
[12:43] <xubuntu53w> it was already in the OS of xubuntu
[12:43] <pmjdebruijn> then what were you talking about with "licensed installer"?
[12:44] <xubuntu53w> he works with xubunta os and intalls them as part of his business
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_7640_series.html
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> it claims full support
[12:46] <xubuntu53w> thanks, i'll look at this
[12:50] <xubuntu53w> so is that hp support or linux?
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> what do you mean?
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu ships whatever hp supplies
[12:54] <pmjdebruijn> so ultimately it's always hp
[12:54] <pmjdebruijn> but as with all open source, in the end, there is only voluntary support
[12:54] <pmjdebruijn> otherwise you'd have to dig through the code yourself
[12:54] <xubuntu53w> If I call hp, they can help? or is this a linus issue? I've call hp before, they said they do not support linux
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> I doubt the hp helpdesk will be able to help you
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> I newer version of ubuntu (16.10 or soon 17.04) may include slightly newer hp drivers, so you could test that from a live cd
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> (before actually upgrading)
[12:56] <xubuntu53w> thank you, can I upgrade myself from an online source?
[13:00] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu53w: try the live-cd first
[14:18] <stevehope> Be a good idea to read up on the mechanics of migrating to linux from OEM windows, in regards to secureboot and UEFI, it will likely involve some changes to bios outside of the installer
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:20] <stevehope> with Acers you need to manually add shimx64.efi to trusted... etc
[14:25] <pmjdebruijn> I don't follow the context
[16:20] <vivus> will updates stop happening from 17 April ?
[16:22] <xangua> Updates of?
[16:28] <vivus> xangua: regular system updates
[16:28] <xangua> Why would they?
[16:29] <xangua> Unless you're using an old release, are you? What release are you on?
[16:29] <vivus> 14.04
[16:32] <xangua> Regarding of xfce related updates, yes; but you'll still receive security updates (kernel or any important stuff that's discovered)
[16:33] <vivus> so what comes from ubuntu, I will get? just xfce stuff will no longer be updated ?
[16:33] <xangua> It's not like xfce gets updated often, but why not 16.04?
[16:34] <xangua> 18.04 is a year away too, anyways you'll have to upgrade at some point
[16:35] <vivus> xangua: I don't want to bork my machine while upgrading
[16:57] <Artemis3> vivus, it is i in 12.04 who will stop getting updates, you are fine xD
[16:58] <vivus> I wish rolling updates was a thing, so that you are forever stable and not outdated
[17:01] <Artemis3> im actually planing a distro hop
[17:02] <Artemis3> since im forced to reinstall anyway (the reason i kept 12.04 so long, is that the upgrade failed.
[17:03] <vivus> Artemis3: how long were you with 12.04 ?
[17:03] <vivus> are you going to 18.04 ?
[17:03] <Artemis3> probably not
[17:03] <Artemis3> im still on 12.04
[17:04] <Artemis3> it still works and it still getting updates
[17:04] <Artemis3> but when they stop its time to leave xD
[17:04] <Artemis3> vivus, i was evaluating another distro, which incidentally is a rolling distro xD
[17:05] <vivus> Artemis3: which one?
[17:05] <Artemis3> manjaro
[17:05] <vivus> is that an ubuntu downstream?
[17:05] <Artemis3> no, its arch downstream
[17:06] <Artemis3> so indeed has its learning curve, specially regarding package management
[17:06] <vivus> is xfce supported?
[17:06] <Artemis3> yes its their main desktop xD
[17:06] <vivus> does arch use systemd?
[17:07] <Artemis3> indeed, which is why i went the trouble to get the openrc iso
[17:07] <vivus> openrc ?
[17:07] <Artemis3> init alternative
[17:07] <Artemis3> the one used in gentoo
[17:08] <vivus> so manjaro with openrc is a rolling-release ?
[17:08] <Artemis3> yes
[17:08] <Artemis3> its also rolling with systemd lol
[17:09] <Artemis3> i just don't like systemd much (another reason im leaving ubuntu)
[17:09] <vivus> that is my problem too. I don't like/trust systemd
[17:09] <Artemis3> but for final users, i think manjaro openrc is still beta, some packages still miss their openrc scripts
[17:10] <Artemis3> so YMMV, you should test it a bit to see
[17:10] <vivus> I will join the manjaro channel for more info
[17:11] <Artemis3> The last version you can use ubuntu without systemd as init, is 16.04
[17:11] <vivus> wasn't 16.04 rolled with systemd?
[17:11] <Artemis3> yes, but you can still install a package to use upstart
[17:11] <Artemis3> that package was removed from 16.10
[17:12] <vivus> sounds like a hack
[17:12] <Artemis3> it means they won't bother updating packages for other inits
[17:12] <Artemis3> well that was Debian's choice
[17:12] <vivus> was highly political
[17:12] <Artemis3> and the Devuan project is still in beta
[17:13] <vivus> devuan with xfce would be awesome
[17:15] <Artemis3> yes that is actually working right now
[17:15] <Artemis3> but its debian jessie package versions, there is some work in +1 which is called ascii
[17:17] <Artemis3> and no PPAs
[17:17] <vivus> bad idea: start xfce-devuan distro :P
[17:17] <Artemis3> i believe they will also default to xfce anyway
[17:18] <Artemis3> gnome is one of the hardest monsters to release from systemd
[17:18] <Artemis3> needs so many components replacing/patching, its last in their list of priorities
[17:18] <vivus> I believe they only use logind
[17:19] <Artemis3> there is a list of patched packages in the devuan web page
[17:19] <Artemis3> so you can get an idea what needs to be done to be free of systemd
[17:19] <Artemis3> and this is all volunteer work
[17:20] <Artemis3> gentoo is doing most of the heavylifting imo
[18:21] <xubuntu70w> Hi. I just installed Xubuntu, but my computer does not recognize the boot
[18:22] <xubuntu70w> Goes directly to w10