[00:03] <cmars> hi there, can i get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7228 ?
[00:30] <wallyworld> cmars: looking
[00:38] <wallyworld> cmars: reviewed with a wish to count unknown OS type also
[02:40] <cmars> wallyworld, excellent suggestions, updated 7228, ptal
[02:40] <wallyworld> cmars: looking
[02:41] <cmars> bah
[02:41] <cmars> i could collapse that increment
[02:41] <cmars> one sec
[02:41] <wallyworld> cmars: yeh, lgtm, feel free to land
[02:42] <cmars> wallyworld, all right, thanks!
[04:45] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: axw: jam: thumper: menn0: here is another re-occurence of wrong upgrade to devel version when a released is out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1681853
[04:45] <mup> Bug #1681853: Juju Tools Upgrade from 2.0.2 to 2.1.2 fails: ERROR no matching tools available <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681853>
[04:46] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: that's a x-stream issue
[04:49] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: my wording is poor - from 2.0.2 to 2.1.2.1 when 2.1.2 is expected
[05:05] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: wanna talk about networking stuff?
[05:06] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: sure, just in meeting, will finish real soon
[05:06] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: okies
[05:16] <axw> wallyworld: FYI on vsphere, apt update/dist-upgrade are being run
[05:16] <wallyworld> axw: on xenial?
[05:16] <axw> wallyworld: yes
[05:16] <wallyworld> ok, tahnks. i'll test on aws also
[05:17] <wallyworld> might just be joyent
[05:20] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: now?
[05:20] <wallyworld> standup HO?
[05:20] <babbageclunk> yup
[05:24] <thumper> this bug is turning into a world of hurt
[05:24]  * thumper is done for today
[05:39] <menn0> jam: this PR puts the beings docs on a diet: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7230
[05:41] <jam> menn0: looking
[05:44] <jam> menn0: reviewed
[05:45] <menn0> jam: thanks
[05:45] <menn0> jam: I agree that iter is better. will change
[05:46] <menn0> jam: and yes the proposed upgrade step and/or pruning logic will take care of old data
[05:47] <menn0> jam: regarding the upgrade step, I'm not sure if we can safely do it as API connections are already up when the upgrade-steps worker runs.
[05:48] <jam> menn0: we have db migration steps that sync between the controllers, don't we?
[05:48] <jam> menn0: ISTR there was a place that triggered really early because of stuff like that
[05:53] <menn0> jam: we do but the worker doesn't come up until there's an API connection
[05:54] <menn0> jam: the state upgrade steps are now defined and run separately from the rest but still within the one worker
[05:54] <menn0> jam: really we need 2 upgrade-steps workers
[05:54] <jam> menn0: sounds like we do
[05:54] <jam> pre-api, and post-api
[05:54] <menn0> yep
[05:54] <menn0> sigh
[05:54] <menn0> I can't really spend much more time on this
[05:55] <menn0> jam: maybe we just get the presence pruning done, negating the need for the nuke-from-orbit upgrade step
[05:55] <menn0> although a "compact" call after that first big prune wouldn't go astray
[05:55] <menn0> jam: ^^
[06:00] <jam> menn0: presence pruning is generally useful, and I guess it would push out all the old data pretty quickly since everything would be new after an upgrade
[06:53] <axw> anastasiamac: would you please review? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7231
[06:57] <axw> or jam, wallyworld ^^
[06:58] <jam> axw: lgtm
[06:58] <axw> jam: ta
[07:45] <wallyworld> axw: sorry, was out talking to anastasia
[07:45] <axw> wallyworld: all good
[11:51] <wpk> quick one: https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/271
[21:20] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: any chance i can arm twist you for a review on that PR?
[21:20] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: looking at it right now, sorry!
[21:21] <wallyworld> np
[21:21] <wallyworld> hml: your test skip pr is good to land
[21:22] <hml> wallyworld: cool, tx
[21:26] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: LGTM. What's JEM?
[21:26] <babbageclunk> (I had thought you were saying JUMM in Strine.)
[21:26] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: Juju Environment Manager (from memory)
[21:26] <wallyworld> it's the controller proxy
[21:27] <babbageclunk> Thanks - what does JIMM stand for again?
[21:28] <wallyworld> can't recall exactly right now!
[21:54] <wallyworld> thumper: got 30 seconds to jump back into release HO?
[23:55] <thumper> first part: https://github.com/juju/cmd/pull/51