[07:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:20] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[08:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Grilled Cheese Sandwich Day! 😃
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> i don't have a hankering for grilled cheese but beans on toast sounds good for dinner today...
[12:24] <foobarry> wow popey started a religious war on g+ by posting a screenshot of whatsapp. didn't realise there was so much strong feeling
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> when all the real geeks use aol messenger... :-P
[12:31] <popey> yeah, weird
[12:31] <SuperMatt> I'm happy with whatsapp, apparently it's one of the better implementations of signal
[12:34] <foobarry> popey made the point a couple of times he was just demoing any android app
[12:34] <foobarry> it really wasn't the point of the discussion
[12:35] <foobarry> with these android things i get excited then realise there aren't any android apps i need on the desktop
[12:36] <penguin42> there's a slight danger in using android apps in that people wont bother developing native apps
[12:36] <popey> yeah, took me a while to find anything actually useful
[12:37] <popey> scrolled through all the apps on my phone, and the ones I tried, are all x86, not x86_64 :(
[12:37] <popey> e.g. Clash of Clans ;)
[12:37] <popey> "apps"
[12:37] <penguin42> why is x86 a problem?
[12:37] <popey> still, neat bit of tech
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> desktop linux has needed a few fart apps... :-P
[12:37] <popey> I don't think it runs the x86 apps
[12:37] <popey> maybe it was some other issue
[12:37] <popey> x86 ones I installed just refused to launch. might be a separate issue though
[12:38] <foobarry> evernote?
[12:41] <popey> foobarry: yup, evernote works!
[12:41] <popey> and that's x86. neat
[12:43] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/QUqJ2
[12:46] <SuperMatt> I take it you're talking about anbox
[12:53] <foobarry> yes,
[14:29] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[14:34] <BigRedS> Good Morniong!
[14:46] <diddledan> moaning
[14:52] <Laney> goat mornernoon
[14:53] <davmor2> go moron
[14:53]  * diddledan goes
[14:53] <MooDoo> doogy rev
[15:13]  * penguin42 has just registered on the mastodon chat system, as penguin42 on mastodon.org.uk
[15:20] <diddledan> o_O
[15:54] <Laney> errrrrrrrm
[16:05] <penguin42> Laney: What?! Mastodon's go Toot!
[16:35] <TwistedLucidity> penguin42: Yer going to have a follower in a second, pal
[16:36] <TwistedLucidity> 2! Feel the power of the social world flow through your veins.
[16:36] <TwistedLucidity> No, I have no idea what I'm doing either.
[20:00] <foobarry> whats the point of mastodon? what if you are using a server that gets pwned?
[20:02] <penguin42> foobarry: What's the point of irc?
[20:02] <penguin42> foobarry: It's just a different distributed messaging system
[20:14] <zmoylan-pi> it's an emergency backup for slack users...
[20:15] <foobarry> so its not a twitter?
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> twitter wishes!!
[20:17] <penguin42> foobarry: It's a twitter clone
[20:17] <penguin42> foobarry: But on a distributed set of servers anyone can run
[20:18] <foobarry> and set up badly?
[20:22] <foobarry> oh, phoronix was right about silber
[20:27] <foobarry> so mastodon is diaspora? :O
[20:28] <penguin42> foobarry: I'm not sure - my understanding so far is it's the same server-server protocol, but a different client-server protocol, a cute mascot and there seem to be a few K people actually using it, which is a big improvement on diaspora
[20:30] <foobarry> if i create a foobarry username, it's only valid on the server i make it on?
[20:30] <foobarry> and every one is referenced by server+username? sounds really messy
[20:30] <penguin42> foobarry: Yes I think that's the case
[20:30] <penguin42> foobarry: Similar to Matrix in that respet
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> because name@server completely failed for email
[20:32] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: The bigger problem is that they can't cluster
[20:32] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Unlike mail where @server might be 50 boxes spread across 3 sites
[20:39] <foobarry> and what if your instance goes offline?
[20:39] <foobarry> its a dumb idea
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> the second rasp pi hot backup kicks in :-D
[20:41] <foobarry> and remembering whether you are the penguin42 on mastodon.social or mastodon.org.uk etc is a joke unless basically everyone deides to use one server
[20:42] <foobarry> unless...
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> you can follow stallman on mastodon... none of the other networks has stallman... :-)
[20:43] <foobarry> on which server?
[20:43] <foobarry> and how do i know thats the real stallman and he's not the stallman on mastod.on ?
[20:43] <popey> well
[20:43] <foobarry> so it will have a massive identitiy problem soon
[20:43] <popey> i just searched and there is only one
[20:43] <foobarry> so i'll make another now?
[20:43] <popey> so I followed that one
[20:44] <popey> ok
[20:44] <foobarry> then what?
[20:44] <foobarry> post pictuers of parrots
[20:44] <popey> "Founder of the free software movement. President, Free Software Foundation. Most posts by a script operated by @mattl and @robmyers. Email rms@gnu.org if you want a reply."
[20:45] <foobarry> the only benefit i see is if all the OSS geeks got onto one server and i could read the public timeline on that server alone. but it would soon get tainted anyway
[20:45] <foobarry> also, its making my fans spin up
[20:45] <foobarry> ctrl-w and down again
[20:48] <penguin42> foobarry: The bigger problem is that it's not failure proof against one server failing, so if mastodon.social goes extinct I can't log into elephant.social
[20:49] <foobarry> Due to exceptionally high traffic, registrations on this instance are closed until quality of service can be assured for existing users. Choose one of the various other public instances to sign up!
[20:49] <foobarry> lolz
[20:49] <foobarry> so everyone wants .social
[20:50] <penguin42> foobarry: The thing is it might have enough people to sustain it which none of the others have managed
[20:50] <zmoylan-pi> twitter is reaching critical bad management so it might have a chance
[20:53] <foobarry> maybe if it focuses around 2 or 3 servers?
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> or they find a way to nickname servers so they're easy to remember locate
[21:00] <penguin42> foobarry: I dunno - I don't think it's actually a problem having a lot of servers, I think it just needs a way of federating the userinformation between them in the way freenode does