[00:00] <awesomess3> Does the NSA flag us when we go `sudo apt-get install zekr` or `sudo apt-get install othman` ?
[00:00] <Keamy> i am installing ubuntu desktop on my 14GB usb drive as test. its installing using universal usb installer for windows 7.
[00:01] <Keamy> i got some questions about the installation of ubuntu itself then
[00:01] <fractegral> I just made the jump to ubuntu! Loving it already
[00:01] <Keamy> sounds good dractegral
[00:03] <awesomess3> tgm4883: I know you don't care but I'm gonna tell you anyways and you're gonna read this because I know everyone likes to be harassed at least once a day, it's Vitamin H. `ps aux --sort=-%mem | awk 'NR<=10{print $0}'` can be replaced with `ps aux --sort=-%mem | head`
[00:05] <tgm4883> awesomess3: nice find, but the next time I need to figure out the command to find the top ten ram users I'm just going to google it again ;)
[00:05] <tgm4883> although maybe I'll remember that ps has a --sort, we'll see
[00:05] <seventy> anyone know how to avoid getting 403 on wget? I've tried changing user agent
[00:07] <awesomess3> tgm4883: are you kidding me I put that shit on my github:  https://github.com/psycho23/learned_stuff/blob/master/README.md
[00:08] <awesomess3> seventy: try their root directory and see if that gives a 200 before you start with any more sophisticated URL
[00:09] <dax> awesomess3: calm down
[00:09] <awesomess3> seventy: and then use a different browser to check if hey....oh no it's dax
[00:09] <dax> i am here
[00:09] <dax> 24/7
[00:09] <tgm4883> awesomess3: meh, stuff I need daily I remember, stuff I don't need often I google (unless it's for work, then it's documented somewhere). In this case, I needed something that could be put on a pastebin. Usually for this info I'd just hit up htop
[00:09] <dax> you should hide
[00:10] <seventy> awesomess3, it's google
[00:10] <awesomess3> seventy: oh.....then...um........*runs*
[00:10] <tgm4883> seventy: what url
[00:11] <seventy> tgm4883, they are 90seconds url that allow streaming of any mp3 on googleplaymusic
[00:11] <seventy> I want to rip them
[00:11] <seventy> you can right click and download audio
[00:11] <seventy> and it's a clean download like off an FTP site
[00:11] <seventy> but wget gets blocked obvs
[00:11] <seventy> I haven't tried curl
[00:12] <tgm4883> seventy: seems like a lot of work to reinvent the wheel http://gmusicproxy.net/
[00:13] <seventy> It's because I have my libraries there and their API sorts songs I upload. Free music isn't the issue here :D
[00:14] <tgm4883> seventy: so use gmusicproxy....
[00:16] <tgm4883> seventy: I'd assume the problem with your wget so far is not the useragent, but the authentication
[00:17] <seventy> Ill just add gmusicproxy for the downloading part (assuming it allows that)?
[00:17] <tgm4883> seventy: that's how I used it when I wanted to do whole house audio prior to the chromecast audios
[00:21] <ayan> is there a way to get package source list using apt-get madison <pkg> in a way that it searches for *exactly* the <pkg> instead of using <pkg> as a sub-string search?
[00:21] <ayan> err -- apt-cache
[00:22] <ayan> for example, when i apt-cache madison postgresql, it gives me postgresql and postgresql-common.
[00:22] <ayan> i just want postgresql.
[00:36] <isene> Which is the laptop with the longest battery life, running Ubuntu?
[00:37] <bazhang> !hcl | isene have a read
[00:37] <bazhang> isene, thats something that depends on the individual use of the computer as well
[00:38] <tgm4883> so many variables
[00:39] <isene> Not looking for supported hardware. Looking for people's experience. Let's hear what people have as for battery life.
[00:40] <bazhang> isene, this isnt that sort of polling channel
[00:40] <isene> Anyone here with more than 10h?
[00:40] <bazhang> isene, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:41] <isene> It is clearly on topic to ask for the hardware running the longest with Ubuntu as the OS, no?
[00:41] <bazhang> no
[00:41] <bazhang> again isene don't poll here
[00:43] <isene> Why? Where does it state I cannot ask for people's experience with Ubuntu and battery life? It's not a poll, it's asking for what people think it's excellent battery life with Ubuntu.
[00:47] <tgm4883> isene: A) because it's not a support question and B) Because it's a terrible question since it suggests you only care about battery life and no other options. In any case, you're looking for #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:50] <Epx998> is there an initrd.gz netboot image that has all the dang drviers like megaraid and NIC drivers?
[00:51] <isene> A) I'm asking for sorry in choosing the right hardware. B) Battery life is my top priority, although I have a dozen other factors on my list. If I had a question about the Julia package on Ubuntu, that would certainly not indicate that I do not care about any other programming languages.
[00:53] <bazhang> ##hardware isene or the chat channel, NOT here
[00:53] <isene> s/sorry/support/
[00:56]  * tgm4883 wonders what would be sooooooo difficult about listening and asking in the right channels...
[00:59] <YankDownUnder> Ah...a lovely Wednesday morning...no one around...yeah...
[01:09] <laowai> dax: hi
[01:11] <laowai> elky: hi
[01:12] <bazhang> laowai, ubuntu support issue?
[01:12] <laowai> bazhang: hi
[01:12] <bazhang> take the chatter elsewhere laowai
[01:22] <laowai> wow cant believe it elky can be staff
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:02] <bazhang> !party
[02:03] <lotuspsychje> tnx bazhang
[02:04] <bazhang> welcome
[02:14] <guisin> hi
[02:20] <SchrodingersScat> guisin: oh hey
[02:38] <azizLIGHT> !water
[02:43] <Oderus> hi. anyone have any tips for making a distro install dvd/cd? I've tried every program I can find and none of them work properly
[02:43] <Belldandu> So i would like to submit a dependency fix for postfixadmin but i'm not even able to branch of the code in order to propose a merge.  This problem hasn't been fixed for 3 years from trusty all the way to the latest ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfixadmin/+bug/1321955
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> !usb | Oderus
[02:45] <Oderus> lotuspsychje: sorry i mean like to make my installation it's own install cd with all installed packages and etc
[02:48] <OerHeks> Oderus there used to be UCK, but it is a dead project
[02:48] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, I think it was forked.  searching now.
[02:49] <OerHeks> i know one too, but that is for before 16.04 iirc
[02:50] <cfhowlett> respin is the fork of remastersys    http://www.linuxrespin.org/
[02:53] <OerHeks> oh, cubic https://launchpad.net/cubic
[02:54] <cfhowlett> I was unware of that one ...
[02:55] <OerHeks> i think it was pinguinbuilder ?
[03:27] <matt___> ubuntu is awesome
[03:28] <pvp> hi
[03:47] <Polarcraft> Can someone explain to me why running "screen -dm -S bitweb sh /root/bit-web" let's me run the web part of my node scripts, but when I try to execute it as root via "su - root -c 'screen -dm -S bustaweb sh /root/bustabit-web'" it doesn't?
[03:51] <nacc> Polarcraft: well, given they are different commands to screen, seems odd to compare them
[03:52] <Epx998> I am trying to add modules to the netboot initrd.gz image (megaraid and broadcom) are there any guides that explain how to do that?
[03:53] <Polarcraft> nacc, then why can I run my miner the same way but not my node?
[03:53] <nacc> Polarcraft: you didn't say that ... you said why does commandX run as my user when commandY fail as root
[03:54] <Polarcraft> Sorry my fault, should of gave more context. The command is ran the same way as my miner is, but for some odd reason with that line it doesn't.
[03:55] <nacc> Polarcraft: i understand they are run the 'same'. But can, say, your user run `screen -dm -S bustaweb sh /root/bustabit-web`?
[04:02] <Guest85353> how to add static  route in ubuntu , and after reboot still here
[04:04] <nacc> Guest85353: are you on a desktop (with network manage for instance) or a server?
[04:04] <Guest85353> server  ubuntu 16.04
[04:05] <Guest85353> nacc  do you have any idea?
[04:05] <nacc> Guest85353: i believe you can specify it in /etc/network/interfaces with an 'up' option to the interface stanza
[04:05] <nacc> Guest85353: to add a route specifically when that interface is brought up
[04:06] <Guest85353> nacc you mean add it to
[04:07] <Guest85353> networking script
[04:07] <Guest85353> does it?
[04:07] <nacc> Guest85353: no
[04:07] <nacc> Guest85353: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:08] <nacc> Guest85353: i don't know what you mean by networking script
[04:08] <nacc> I believe you can alos tell systemd to add routes, but i'm not sure
[04:10] <nacc> Guest85353: `man interfaces` and `man systemd.network` may help
[04:20] <Epx998> dang this initrd.gz
[04:31] <battaglia> Any alive?
[04:31] <shrewdu> hello
[04:31] <battaglia> hi!
[04:32] <shrewdu> what's up my dude
[04:32] <rmx77> ello all
[04:32] <rmx77> what goes
[04:33] <Epx998> trying to add modules to initrd.gz, maybe im doing it correctly and its the wrong modules HA
[04:36] <battaglia> Everyone enters here just for test IRC?
[04:36] <rmx77> no
[04:36] <rmx77> sometimes there are people that have different issues they need to fix
[04:36] <DasBonkers> no :/ admittedly i was tinkering with my client... but no
[04:37] <battaglia> great
[04:43] <fastAndBulbous> hmm I can't figure out how to get a shell script to run in crontab
[05:06] <Belldandu> nacc: how did you assign Ubunty Trusty and not just Ubuntu?
[05:14] <Vysty> Running 16.04 and am looking for the area in System Settings where I can change/add languages. I've searched for "Text Entry" but am not finding it. Where can I add languages?
[05:30] <max12345> hello, I have a weird issue, when I'm powering down my laptop it gets stuck in some loop, where it's trying to shut down all kinds of stuff and then shows the power down screen again and tries to shut down all those services
[05:31] <max12345> and needs like 6-7 loops to actually reach shutdown
[05:57] <Tim_Thaler> Hi, how do i convert upstart to System V ?
[05:57] <Tim_Thaler> System V-Init..
[06:09] <ducasse> Tim_Thaler: why are you using sysv init? ubuntu is using systemd now.
[06:18] <metaphysician> Is Mir also being dropped?
[06:18] <metaphysician> Or just Unity?
[06:18] <ducasse> metaphysician: aiui, yes for desktop
[06:32] <syntaks> faugusztin: nvidia working now on 4.11 :)
[06:38] <carol_> hi
[06:39] <carol_> i just need to get a website or a channel that can give me a the standard repositories for ubuntu studio
[06:40] <carol_> need your help please
[06:41] <carol_> gavin can helpm ;e
[06:41] <carol_> help me please
[06:41] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> if i switch to Ctrl+Alt+F2 and login, how do i start gnome?
[06:42] <EriC^> carol_: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[06:43] <carol_> thx eric
[06:43] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> startx doesn't open the side bar menu
[06:43] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> nor the top bar
[06:44] <OerHeks> sudo service lightdm start
[06:45] <OerHeks> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2, ^^
[06:45] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: starts is not supported on ubuntu
[06:45] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> thanks, OerHeks!
[06:45] <ducasse> *startx
[06:45] <OerHeks> startx is old, indeed
[06:55] <jink> -__-
[06:59] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> OerHeks: "sudo service lightdm start" didn't do anything. (i logged in as a regular user)
[06:59] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> (a sudoer user)
[07:01] <OerHeks> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2, after this, you need to switch to ctrl alt F7 for the gui..
[07:02] <OerHeks> you are in ctrl alt f2 = tty2 now
[07:02] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: which ubuntu version is this?
[07:02] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> OerHeks: i already had the guy at Ctrl+Alt+F7
[07:02] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> 16.04
[07:03] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: try 'sudo systemctl start gdm' instead
[07:03] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> ducasse: thanks
[07:03] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i'll try it out right  now
[07:04] <ducasse> it might also be 'gdm3' instead of 'gdm' - i don't use gnome.
[07:04] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Failed to start gdm.service
[07:04] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Unit Gdm.service not found
[07:05] <ducasse> then try with gdm3
[07:05] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> oh
[07:05] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> ok
[07:05] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> same result
[07:05] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Unit gdm3.service not found
[07:06] <ducasse> what exactly did you install from? the ubuntu gnome desktop image?
[07:06] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> the ISO downloaded from ubuntu website
[07:07] <ducasse> ok, and then you installed gnome manually?
[07:07] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> probably, yes
[07:07] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i guess i was looking for a ubuntu-server distro
[07:08] <ducasse> the iso from the ubuntu website does not come with gnome, it comes with unity.
[07:08] <akik> "apt-get autoremove --purge packages" only removes the packages i tell it to remove. how can i remove all the packages that were installed as dependencies to those packages?
[07:08] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> and decided to install it manually
[07:08] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: ok. what does 'sudo systemctl start lightdm' say?
[07:08] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> let's see
[07:08] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> wait
[07:09] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> it takes me back to the $ prompt
[07:10] <ducasse> that's all?
[07:11] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> yup
[07:11] <ducasse> pastebin output from 'systemctl status -l --no-pager lightdm'
[07:12] <alkisg> akik: if it doesn't, that means that they were manually installed, not automatically
[07:12] <alkisg> akik: which package are you trying to uninstall?
[07:12] <akik> alkisg: whole of unity & ubuntu-desktop (i installed those on top of my kubuntu installation)
[07:13] <akik> alkisg: i can dig the apt history log for those packages but it's not so nice
[07:13] <alkisg> akik: did you use `apt install ubuntu-desktop` or `tasksel`?
[07:13] <akik> alkisg: apt install
[07:14] <alkisg> akik: try apt purge --auto-remove ubuntu-desktop, and then apt purge --auto-remove with no other params; sometimes apt can only do that after the initial purge
[07:14] <akik> alkisg: ok thanks i tried "apt-get autoremove --purge"
[07:14] <ducasse> akik: some of those packages may be relied upon by optional dependencies of other packages. if something else recommends/suggests it, it won't be removed.
[07:15] <OerHeks> there used to be a purekde factoid, but it is old, maybe this page gives a clue: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekdeoneiric .. but it is all manually
[07:15]  * OerHeks thinks it is a bad idea to install multiple desktops on 1 linux, not to use, but when you want to remove something ..
[07:16] <alkisg> Sometimes it's bad also for using it; items from one desktop environment autostart in the other
[07:16] <faugusztin> syntaks: good for you then. hope it is stable
[07:16] <akik> alkisg: yes that is really a bad design choice. that's one reason i'm removing it
[07:17] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/FurZAn68
[07:18] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: ok, and alt+f7 does not switch to it?
[07:18] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> lets see
[07:19] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> alt+F7 takes me back here, just as when i type Ctrl+Alt+F7
[07:19] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: back to the gui?
[07:20] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> yeah
[07:20] <ducasse> what is it you want to happen, exactly?
[07:20] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> a new guy
[07:20] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> another gui
[07:21] <ducasse> then log out and select another gui on the login screen
[07:21] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i want to have my mom's session at Ctrl+Alt+F2, and mine this (Ctrl+Alt+F7)
[07:21] <kon> hi, is there a command similar to macOS `open`?  It opens a file with the registered file viewer.
[07:23] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: i don't think there is a simple way to do that, can't you use 'switch user'?
[07:23] <akik> kon: xdg-open
[07:23] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> oh!
[07:23] <OerHeks> kon, xdg-open
[07:23] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i guess i can
[07:25] <Doow_> when logging in remotely to a server, where is the "host" part of user@host# coming from? I thought it was /etc/hostname, but changing that doesn't seem to be updating it.
[07:25] <ducasse> !hostname | Doow_
[07:25] <ducasse> Doow_: on recent ubuntus there is also hostnamectl
[07:26] <Doow_> ducasse, oh, I didn't know I shouldn't be editing that directly, thanks =D
[07:27] <coskun> h'
[07:27] <coskun> hi
[07:30] <fub> Hi. So yesterday I was able to import my .ovpn in the network manager applet. Now when I try to do this, I get an error that the plugh as not "import capability". It looks like this old bug, but no workaround is working here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/606365
[07:30] <fub> Any idea what else I can do (except doing this in the console)
[07:31] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> ducasse: the switch-user disables the num-lock every time i switch, i just want to switch fast so my mom doesn't have to wait. Switch-user is slow
[07:33] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: how much memory does this machine have?
[07:33] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> 2Gb
[07:34] <ducasse> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: then you're not going to be able to successfully run 2 desktops at the same time anyway, imo
[07:34] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> My Pentium 4 doesn't allow more RAM
[07:35] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> oh!
[07:35] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> :(
[07:36] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> thank you, ducasse! I'll check later if i can get better hardware
[07:36] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> cya all
[07:36] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> thanks all!
[07:41] <crimi> hello
[07:42] <crimi> could i get some help with a litle problem pls?
[07:42] <YankDownUnder> Eh?
[07:42] <crimi> well
[07:42] <crimi> hello there
[07:43] <YankDownUnder> Cheers.
[07:43] <crimi> i want to know how can i boot an sd card with noobs from ubuntu mate user
[07:44] <crimi> ?
[07:44] <crimi> what comands or programs should i use
[07:44] <crimi> ?
[07:44] <YankDownUnder> crimi: You want to boot to an SD card...yes?
[07:44] <crimi> i want to make it bootable
[07:44] <YankDownUnder> crimi: Does the machine you're using have the provisions to boot to SD or devices like that?
[07:45] <crimi> idk
[07:45] <crimi> now im using a wm with ubuntu mate
[07:45] <wafflejock> crimi, setting up an SD card for a Raspberry Pi?
[07:45] <YankDownUnder> crimi: Fair enough...hang on a tick...
[07:45] <crimi> yup
[07:45] <wafflejock> crimi, yeah you can just dd the iso or img file to the SD card typically
[07:46] <crimi> how?
[07:46] <crimi> im  new ubuntu user
[07:47] <wafflejock> crimi, before you put the card in or if you have it in remove it and type lsblk and look for what drives/partitions are on there, then put the sdcard in and type lsblk again and tell us what the name of the new thing is that shows up should be something like sdb or sdc
[07:47] <YankDownUnder> crimi: Here's somethign to read: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[07:47] <wafflejock> !dd
[07:47] <crimi> ok wait a second
[07:48] <YankDownUnder> crimi: And there's this - which is specifically Mate related => https://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-create-bootable-usb-drive/
[07:49] <fub> 3~/j #ubuntu-de
[07:49] <fub> sry
[07:49] <crimi> FIRST fd0      2:0    1    4K  0 disk  sda      8:0    0   30G  0 disk  ├─sda1   8:1    0   26G  0 part / └─sda5   8:5    0    4G  0 part [SWAP] sr0     11:0    1 1024M  0 rom
[07:49] <crimi> and then fd0      2:0    1    4K  0 disk  sda      8:0    0   30G  0 disk  ├─sda1   8:1    0   26G  0 part / └─sda5   8:5    0    4G  0 part [SWAP] sr0     11:0    1 1024M  0 rom
[07:50] <crimi> i dont see any diference ...
[07:50] <wafflejock> crimi, yeah doesn't look like the drive is showing up there best to use a paste site like paste.ubuntu.com for multiline stuff though
[07:50] <crimi> no no, now it showing it
[07:50] <crimi> sry
[07:51] <crimi> sdd1
[07:51] <crimi> so
[07:52] <madduck> it's 2017 and I can't use the initramfs shell to debug a problem for lack of a USB keyboard driver, despite MODULES=most. WTF?
[07:52] <wafflejock> crimi, yeah so the command you want to run is dd if=/home/user/Downloads/imagefile.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M, but you replace if with the source (input) and of (output) with the actual target drive so instead of /dev/sdX would be /dev/sdd
[07:52] <wafflejock> crimi, oh you'll have to run with sudo as well and absolutely critical you get the of parameter right
[07:53] <wafflejock> crimi, if you target the wrong partition or drive with dd you will wipe it out with whatever your source data was
[07:53] <crimi> ok...
[07:53] <crimi> well hope me the best
[07:53] <crimi> and thx
[07:53] <alkisg> madduck: usb keyboards work fine in initramfs here, does your keyboard need an unusual driver?
[07:53] <wafflejock> crimi, no problem let me know how it goes
[07:54] <wafflejock> crimi, typically you will be waiting for a few minutes while it writes depending on the disk size and image size
[07:54] <madduck> alkisg: I've tried 3 off-the-shelf standard keyboards.
[07:54] <wafflejock> crimi, if it seems to return immediately run "sync" to be sure all the data has been written to disk
[07:55] <crimi> well, the comand didnt worked
[07:55] <alkisg> madduck: maybe the issue is with the usb controller of your motherboard? can you check recovery mode or something to see which modules it loads?
[07:55] <OerHeks> madduck try an usb port that is not blue ( blue=usb3)
[07:55] <wafflejock> crimi, what feedback I may have fat fingered something, paste the command and output on a paste site ideally
[07:56] <alkisg> madduck: ah, how do you break in initramfs? like, break=bottom or break=top?
[07:56] <crimi> what?
[07:56] <wafflejock> crimi, paste what you see or tell me more details can't guess what you mean by "didn't work" need more details
[07:56] <crimi> ok wait a sec
[07:57] <crimi> not open: file or directory not found
[07:57] <wafflejock> crimi, make sure the if= is actually pointing to the noobs file with the correct path
[07:57] <wafflejock> crimi, pretty sure it just means it didn't find the source file
[07:57] <crimi> oh , ok wait a sec
[07:58] <crimi> yeah think this too , i translated from german to english
[07:58] <crimi> and that what it came out
[07:58] <crimi> ...
[07:58] <OerHeks> lolz > "oh , ok wait a sec"
[07:59] <crimi> um actually my noobs is a zip file so i must to extract it wait a sec
[08:05] <madduck> alkisg: break=mount
[08:05] <madduck> OerHeks: there are no blue ports
[08:06] <madduck> alkisg: the usb controller works fine e.g. in grml
[08:32] <fabio_> !sayit
[08:37] <alkisg> madduck: I've seen cases where udev rules fired after break=mount; can you try with break=bottom, even if you have to completely skip root= as a test? Also, which module does it use, to see if it's there in initramfs or not?
[08:46] <leeyaa> hello
[08:47] <leeyaa> is Apache2's systemd restart function on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS supposed to do graceful restarts ?
[08:47] <leeyaa> or if I want graceful restart I should do reload instead ?
[08:47] <leeyaa> I just found that restart does not do a graceful restart
[08:50] <Aebian> hey, I'm started to explore the ubuntu shell on windows. I'm not sure how to archieve one thing: customizing like in putty. I installed most of my tools (zsh, oh-my-zsh and so one using my own build scripts) but I'm unsure how to set the font. I tried https://github.com/Aebian/debfiles/blob/master/rootscripts/set-console-font.sh but thats not working on the shell, any toughts?
[08:51] <Aebian> oh and I would like to edit the colors to match my putty ones if possible
[08:51] <ducasse> !ubuwin | Aebian
[08:51] <Aebian> ah thx
[09:00] <pandinus> :]|
[09:00] <Simooon> !release
[09:00] <crime> hello
[09:01] <Simooon> !next release
[09:01] <crime> im at work right now XD how you doing?
[09:01] <OerHeks> Simooon, tomorrow, 17.04 zesty zebra
[09:02] <Simooon> OerHeks, okay, was just trying to find out whether it was tomorrow or two days from now :-P
[09:02] <Simooon> and thanks :-)
[09:04] <Simooon> Anyway are you guys going to install the default ubuntu, or Gnome, I'm seriously considering gnome, since we have to shift to that anyway in two releases :-)
[09:05] <OerHeks> Simooon, unity will be available, still. 2 releases away is too soon to ask, i guess.
[09:05] <akik> Simooon: use the environment you feel is best for you. no one is forcing you
[09:05] <OerHeks> btw polling is useless here
[09:07] <Simooon> akik, I know, was just interested in hearing what people are doing, Personally I like to keep things as vanilla as posible, so I can kust install ubuntu and feel at home, that is why I'm considering getting a head start on gnome, haven't really used it since ubuntu dropped it years ago.
[09:07] <Simooon> *just
[09:07] <Simooon> and that was gnome 2...
[09:08] <AEL-H1> Hi guys, I am running a python script in a screen session that downloads youtube videos and takes the audio part. I am encountering a weird error where if I leave the screen session the script continues with no problems, however if I close the SSH session the script starts throwing SSL certificate errors. Does anyone know what might be happening here?
[09:08] <Simooon> OerHeks, because there is too many people or why?!
[09:09] <OerHeks> Simooon, this is the support channel, try #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[09:10] <Simooon> Okay
[09:10] <crime> so ,how is your day ?
[09:10] <akik> Simooon: if you want that gnome 2 feeling, use mate desktop
[09:11] <Simooon> akik, I don't want that, I want the default desktop, just considering getting a head start on the next default
[09:11] <crime> wtf???
[09:12] <OerHeks> !ot | crime
[09:12] <OerHeks> and mind your language, keep this channel family frienly, thanks.
[09:13] <Simooon> !guidelines
[09:14] <Eightynine> My system has some performance issues when I using Chromium. Is that because of tons of tabs? But I still have 1 GB free RAM.
[09:15] <OerHeks> Eightynine, are you surprised, tons of tabs?
[09:15] <Simooon> Eightynine, as long as the tab is not loaded it doesn't take any RAM, and if you still have one GB of free RAM I doubt that is the reason.
[09:16] <Simooon> Eightynine, but if you are running something processor hungry in a lot of tabs (or even just a few) that sounds like a reasonable explanation.
[09:17] <OerHeks> swtiching tabs makes your swap work, i think that is what you experience now
[09:17] <Eightynine> And also it's processes take from 18.9 to 62.8% CPU when playing YouTube videos. And sometimes it could take around 90%. I'm using Core i3 6100
[09:18] <AEL-H1> Is there a difference between the functionality of a screen session whether or not there is an active SSH session?
[09:18] <Eightynine> 17.2% CPU for X.Org.
[09:20] <k1l_> AEL-H1: if the ssh connection cuts off the user will be logged out and the program running will be canceled. when using screen the screen session will just be detached and you can connect to the system again an reattach the screen session
[09:20] <akik> AEL-H1: no
[09:21] <hateball> Eightynine: What kind of CPU do you have? If it's a low power CPU and you're playing HD video it is only normal with high usage
[09:21] <hateball> Eightynine: Even more so if these videos are using flash and not html5
[09:22] <k1l_> Eightynine: what video card is in use?
[09:22] <Eightynine> I'll write again. I'm using Core i3 6100. When I stop video Chromium and X.Org take up to 20-25%.
[09:22] <Eightynine> Integrated graphics.
[09:25] <Cedara> Does anyone know if there is a client for Mastodon? the github link I know has only tooter for chrome
[09:27] <akik> AEL-H1: does your script keep on running ok if you don't use screen?
[09:27] <akik> AEL-H1: there's another app called tmux that does the same thing as screen. you might try it
[09:34] <dym> Hey everyone. I have a problem. Im trying to install Ubuntu LTS onto an Alix2c4 board via USB. Creating the installmedia on macos via unetbootin renders the usb stick with inconsistencys every time and dd'ing the image over makes me unable to modify serial console options in afterwards. Any ideas?
[09:39] <r_dudau> oh hello
[09:39] <r_dudau> how is youre day going?
[09:40] <r_dudau> hmmm
[09:40] <r_dudau> i see that people on this chat are not so, comunicative
[09:41] <OerHeks> dym,  what makes you think ubuntu will run on that AMD Geode ?
[09:41] <r_dudau> english maybe
[09:41] <r_dudau> oh ok
[09:41] <OerHeks> hi r_dudau, this is ubuntu technical support
[09:41] <r_dudau> oh hello
[09:41] <k1l_> r_dudau: for chat better use #ubuntu-offtopic this channel is just for technical support
[09:41] <r_dudau> how is youre day going
[09:42] <r_dudau> how do i use ubuntu off topic
[09:42] <r_dudau> ?
[09:42] <k1l_> !offtopic
[09:43] <r_dudau> what?
[09:43] <k1l_> register to freenode and login, then join the channel
[09:43] <r_dudau> oh
[09:43] <r_dudau> ok
[09:43] <r_dudau> ...ok bye
[09:49] <AEL-H1> is tmux generally better than screen? whilst logged in and detached from the screen session my preogram runs fine
[09:49] <AEL-H1> The program throws a bucnh of SSL certificate errors when I log out
[09:50] <k1l_> AEL-H1: does it work run locally, without remote login?
[09:52] <AEL-H1> I can't access the machine without remote login, but it works as intended remotely during the session
[09:59] <dym> OerHeks: Because I already have 2 of them running :)
[10:00] <dym> OerHeks: AMD GX-412TC SOC, Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[10:00] <dym> OerHeks: Plus - https://trick77.com/installing-ubuntu-server-16-04-pc-engines-apu-apu2/
[10:02] <akik> AEL-H1: tmux and screen do the same thing. did you try tmux?
[10:03] <k1l_> AEL-H1: i wonder what the coincidence with the connection is. that sounds like its more of a network/connection issue.
[10:03] <k1l_> AEL-H1: are you using proxy or vpn?
[10:07] <AEL-H1> k1l_: Nope, just ssh direct to the ip
[10:09] <k1l_> AEL-H1: do you use encrypted home?
[10:10] <AEL-H1> k1l_: yes
[10:10] <OerHeks> dym  oke, but how would you edit a read-only iso on usb ??? https://trick77.com/installing-ubuntu-server-16-04-pc-engines-apu-apu2/
[10:11] <k1l_> AEL-H1: that is the issue then. it get encrypted again when you disconnect
[10:11] <AEL-H1> k1l_: I also run game servers using the same manner, surely those would run into problems too if that were the case?
[10:12] <k1l_> do they depend on stuff inside the home?
[10:12] <AEL-H1> k1l_: Yep, the world files etc are stored in home
[10:12] <k1l_> hmm, then look at the specific errormessages you get
[10:14] <AEL-H1> k1l_: It just seems to be SSL certificate errors, but what I can't understand is why they would suddenly arise when the SSH session is closed, everything is done within the screen session so my understanding is that none of the processes should be tied to my user, but perhaps that is where I am wrong
[10:15] <akik> AEL-H1: do you open the encryption every time you log in to the server?
[10:16] <AEL-H1> akik: how do you mean?
[10:16] <akik> AEL-H1: i don't know how to ask any other way
[10:18] <AEL-H1> akik:  I assume the files are unencrypted automatically when I log in, but I specifically don't do anything encryption related when I log in
[10:21] <akik> AEL-H1: there was a bug with systemd that killed user processes on logout but not sure if that applies because you say that there are just certificate errors
[10:22] <k1l_> akik: yes, i think its somewhat in this direction
[10:22] <Eightynine> Will apt always be in Ubuntu or you will drop it in favor of snap?
[10:22] <AEL-H1> I think I need to give more context, I have created a bot, in python, for a discord server. The bot will join the voice channel I am in, and basically play music. I know the program is not being killed because the bot will stay in the channel with me but play no music. if I kill the process it leaves the channel.
[10:22] <k1l_> Eightynine: it will stay. but "always" is a bit long. i dont know what happens in 20 years :)
[10:23] <k1l_> AEL-H1: so it cant do new connections then. but old connections stay
[10:23] <AEL-H1> k1l_: that might be the case
[10:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:27] <ducasse> AEL-H1: try setting 'KillUserProcesses=no' in /etc/systemd/logind.conf, running 'sudo loginctl enable-linger username' then restart logind.
[10:29] <Eightynine> No one knows what will happen on next day or next month so we can't speak about 20 years.
[10:31] <AEL-H1> ducasse: KillUserProcesses was already set to no
[10:31] <AEL-H1> oh wait excuse me, sorry didnt see the hash
[10:33] <AEL-H1> ducasse: restart with "restart systemd-logind" right?
[10:36] <ducasse> AEL-H1: systemctl restart ...
[10:40] <kernelmodder> So good news with the customized kernel :)
[10:41] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[10:42] <ducasse> Chunkyz: no, it's not
[10:42] <Chunkyz> bot broke?
[10:43] <AEL-H1> ducasse: i dont have a systemctl command
[10:43] <ducasse> AEL-H1: which ubuntu version is this?
[10:43] <dym> OerHeks: previoulsy i just used unetbootin to do the edit, after the iso was copied to the stick. with DD it's all readonly.
[10:43] <AEL-H1> trusty tahr 14.04
[10:44] <kernelmodder> AEL-H1 I think you meant sysctl
[10:44] <dym> OerHeks: this is what got me curious. why doesnt it seem to work anymore?
[10:44] <ducasse> kernelmodder: no, he doesn't
[10:44] <ducasse> AEL-H1: then just try 'service systemd-logind restart'
[10:44] <AEL-H1> ducasse: I follow this to try get the command but to no avail : http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-and-test-systemd-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-and-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[10:45] <kernelmodder> ducasse: Good news with the custom kernel I compiled, it boots just fine, with no panic
[10:47] <madduck> ffs, I do wonder what happened to Ubuntu quality assurance. We upgraded a machine and now it won't boot anymore. These symptoms: https://askubuntu.com/questions/529228/mdadm-raid1-home-server-system-disk-error-incrementally-starting-raid-arrays-md
[10:47] <madduck> the only way to make it work is restoring an older initramfs from backup
[10:48] <ducasse> !language | madduck
[10:48] <AEL-H1> ducasse: Done, I tried running the program again, the error persists
[10:49] <ducasse> AEL-H1: then i have no other suggestions, sorry. not sure how upstart handles this.
[10:49] <OerHeks> dym, even with unetbootin ( depreciated) it should be read only too, so i question that guide..
[10:49] <OerHeks> all our iso's are read-only
[10:49] <AEL-H1> ducasse: Thanks for your help, I learned some things at least
[10:52] <madduck> ducasse: ffs means "for freedom's sake" ;)
[10:54] <r_dudau> hello folks
[10:59] <joga_> mint
[11:01] <OerHeks> !mint
[11:01] <OerHeks> grinn.. http://irc.spotchat.org/ = 403 Forbidden
[11:02] <Tachyon_> hello. I see that if I'm in a menu open(eg I click on Build and the dropdown shows) in Android Studio, nothing happens if I press print screen. how can I do screenshots with that menus open ?
[11:03] <ikevin> OerHeks, normal, irc != http :)
[11:04] <ikevin> Tachyon_, use scrot from command line
[11:04] <OerHeks> ikevin, their site has problems, for days ..
[11:04] <AEL-H1> I think I am getting to the root of the problem, it seems as though the screen session created a process and attaches it to my user.. if I am not logged in do you think this is where the problem arises?
[11:04]  * Tachyon_ is googleing scrot
[11:05] <ikevin> OerHeks, possible, but irc work fine
[11:05] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, use gnome-screenshot, it has a timer
[11:05] <ducasse> Tachyon_: scrot is in the repos
[11:05] <Tachyon_> heh, looks like I already have gnome-screenshot
[11:05] <OerHeks> ikevin, oh i am not supposed to click the url in that factoid, gotcha
[11:06] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, yes, but don't use the print-screen key, use the tool itself
[11:07] <Tachyon_> yeah I got it thanks
[11:07] <Tachyon_> I wanted to show to a friend how to use the breakpoints & the debugger :D
[11:13] <ffff> Hello world!
[11:56] <dym> OerHeks: But how are you meant to install onto a device, that only provides serial output?
[11:59] <jaydemir> dym: I have absolutely no context of the converstion, but I have a Macbook that can't install via USB, and modern CD isos won't boot. I'm forced to install it on another machine and put that hard drive into the macbook
[11:59] <aot> any idea why this doens't work in cron, but works from the cmd line: notify-send "break time"
[11:59] <aot> Apr 12 14:44:01 T400 CRON[5047]: (aot) CMD (notify-send "break time")
[11:59] <hyperbeam> i'm here because noone will help me with elementary OS. yes I know there is an IRC server for it, but noone is helping... ;-;
[12:00] <jaydemir> hyperbeam: elementary OS is a mess
[12:00] <brainwash> hyperbeam: maybe you just need to wait a bit longer
[12:00] <hyperbeam> yeah, i know
[12:00] <ioria> aot, not sure but notify-send it'a a gui app
[12:00] <jaydemir> I gave it a good month, it's insanely broken
[12:00] <k1l> hyperbeam: try there forums (if they have one). look at their websire
[12:00] <k1l> *their
[12:00] <aot> ioria: I just don't understan what's different to run a cmd in cron than in cmd line
[12:01] <ioria> aot,  so you need to set DISPLAY
[12:01] <hyperbeam> i'm probably switching back to ubuntu or mint, i dont want to deal with a broken distro
[12:01] <hyperbeam> possibly arch
[12:01] <jaydemir> hyperbeam: that's what I did. Arch is nice but it depends on what you need it for
[12:01] <hyperbeam> okay, thanks
[12:01] <hyperbeam> sya
[12:01] <ioria> aot,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto#GUI_Applications
[12:01] <jaydemir> if you're a gamer, don't go with Arch. You can get things working, but it's time consuming
[12:02] <aot> ioria: thanks
[12:02] <ioria> aot,  no problem
[12:02] <jaydemir> otherwise Arch is a great learning experience
[12:02] <k1l> jaydemir: he is gone :)
[12:02] <dym> jaydemir: im trying to install an iso to a usb stick, then edit it to make it bootable on a machine with serial-only output
[12:04] <jaydemir> dym: good luck with that. Ubuntu is flexible enough to where you can install it on any machine and swap the drive
[12:04] <jaydemir> I had installed Ubuntu on a drive using an AMD APU and popped it into a intel core2duo machine. Worked fine.
[12:11] <agopo> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to my remote server (Ubuntu 16.04.) via ssh and ssh-public/private keypairs. I already got it to work on my Raspberry Pi and phone, but am having trouble this time. The error message is: "Permission denied (publickey,password). Does anyone know what the common mistake here might be?
[12:11] <OerHeks> dym, you claim you have it running on 2 devices ..
[12:11] <OerHeks> so tell me how?
[12:12] <OerHeks> with unetbootin, the iso is writable, is not believable..
[12:13] <akinode> hey, can anyone help me with my problem? http://askubuntu.com/questions/903118/capturing-audio-from-pulseaudio-sink-and-video-from-v4l2loopback-device
[12:13] <k1l> unetbootin has issues with making proper live usbs
[12:14] <OerHeks> k1l, i know, i told hm it is depreciated, but unetbootin does not make an iso on usb writable, or do you know how that happens???
[12:16] <k1l> no
[12:25] <mas886> Help, I'm trying to run the editing program "DaVinci Resolve" and I'm getting the following error "error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1:". Any help?
[12:27] <tsglove> mas886, did you google that message?
[12:29] <fedora> mas886: what Ubuntu version?
[12:30] <fiberbaby> at what time on the 13th will 17.04 be available?
[12:31] <fedora> fiberbaby: usually comes early afternoon UCT
[12:32] <tsglove> 17 + 04 = 21 - 13 = 9    At 9 am
[12:32] <fedora> I don't know enough about maths to dispute that. so it sounds right.
[12:42] <tsglove> I have setup a small Ubuntu VM, in an internal-network inside VirtualBox.   I installed DNS on it... and although I can ping 8.8.8.8 ,   if I ping google.com   it fails.
[12:42] <tsglove> What can I check?
[12:43] <ikonia> tsglove: what is the resolver your vm is using
[12:44] <mas886> tsglove: Yeah googled it and only found old answers. fedora: on ubuntu 16.10 and ubuntu 17.04
[12:45] <tsglove> ikonia, fetching that info.   This is still new for me, so I am still getting oriented with the terms and location of config files.
[12:45] <ikonia> tsglove: thats fine
[12:45] <ikonia> tsglove: what version of ubuntu is running in the guest ?
[12:45] <tsglove> 16.04
[12:45] <ikonia> perfect
[12:45] <scottjl> tsglove: cat /etc/resolv.conf is anything in there?
[12:46] <ikonia> resolve.conf will just point at dnsmasq on 127.0.01
[12:46] <ikonia> resolv.conf
[12:47] <scottjl> well then that would be something in there, wouldn't it?
[12:47] <tsglove> Yes... it's in /etc/resolv.conf   and inside I have  nameserver 127.0.0.1
[12:47] <lavinho> someone can help me?
[12:47] <ikonia> tsglove: right, so we need to look at what nameservers dnsmasq is using for you
[12:48] <ikonia> tsglove: is this a desktop install you've done
[12:48] <lavinho> ideapad 100s 11lby blocks ubuntu
[12:48] <lavinho> any ideias ?
[12:48] <tsglove> Would that then be in /etc/bind/named.conf.options   ?
[12:48] <ikonia> lavinho: what ?
[12:48] <ikonia> tsglove: no
[12:48] <tsglove> ikonia, it's a server install, without window manager
[12:48] <ikonia> tsglove: yo ushould not have /etc/bind
[12:48] <mas886> Help, I'm trying to run the editing program "DaVinci Resolve" and I'm getting the following error "error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1:". Any help?
[12:48] <ikonia> tsglove: you are not running a dns server are you ?
[12:48] <tsglove> ikonia, ahhhh... so I have messed up.  I installed bind9
[12:49] <lavinho> My pc lenovo ideapad 100s 11 lby blocks with ubuntu
[12:49] <ikonia> tsglove: ok - remove that to remove any confusion
[12:49] <tsglove> ikonia, ok, let me clear it up
[12:49] <ikonia> lavinho: blocks with ubuntu ?
[12:49] <ikonia> lavinho: do you mean you can't install ubuntu ?
[12:49] <lavinho> yes
[12:49] <scottjl> mas886: apt install ocl-icd-opencl-dev  ?
[12:49] <lavinho> no
[12:50] <lavinho> installed ubuntu
[12:50] <lavinho> but
[12:50] <ikonia> lavinho: what is the problem then ? as "blocks with ubuntu" doesn't really mean anything
[12:50] <lavinho> blocks , freezes
[12:50] <ikonia> lavinho: ok - freezes
[12:50] <mas886> scottjl: trying this
[12:50] <ikonia> lavinho: does the whole OS/Screen freeze or just an application
[12:50] <tsglove> ikonia, I setup this ubuntu VM inside VirtualBox, in an "internal network".   And I wanted this same Ubuntu VM to work as a gateway between the internal network, and the "external" network.   So I installed two network cards, also installed DHCP server (isc), ... and stuck in DNS
[12:51] <lavinho> totaly
[12:51] <ikonia> tsglove: you understand that virtual boxes offeres a bridge mode so you don't need a host to act as a bridge
[12:51] <ikonia> tsglove: and again - even if you need a bridge why are you running a dhcp server and dns
[12:51] <ikonia> back in a minute
[12:52] <mas886> scottjl: Haha, now "libcrypto.so.10" is missing.
[12:52] <tsglove> ikonia, yes, I know about bridge mode.  The reason I want to do an internal network is because these machines, I want to be able to block all traffic going in/out of them to the "external" network
[12:53] <lavinho> Do I have to patch the kernel?
[12:53] <mas886> Woah I'm gonna pass. Dependences are all messed.
[12:53] <ioria> mas886, this is for 16.04, you may need a couple of pkgs, and some manual links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bEyGhm9Gj8
[12:55] <mas886> ioria: thanks.
[12:55] <ioria> mas886, good luck
[12:58] <anddam> what's an MP3 CLI tagging tool other than libid3-tools? its id3tag is awfully documented
[12:58] <anddam> apt search mp3 search tag    doesn't help
[13:00] <ioria> !info tagtool
[13:00] <ducasse> anddam: check out beets
[13:06] <anddam> ducasse: oh thanks, I was trying to do it manually, I see beets is a different, and likely more useful, beast
[13:07] <ducasse> anddam: have in mind that you can spend days playing with it, though ;)
[13:07] <mas8998> ioria: It says I'm missingthe followig "libgstbase-0.10.so.0:"
[13:08] <mas8998> The problem is that the packag it's contained "libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev" doesn'tseem to be on 16.10 repos
[13:08] <ducasse> mas8998: try 'apt-file search filename' to find the package a file is in
[13:08] <anddam> meanwhile, is there a way to just set TCOM using id3tag?
[13:10] <mas8998> The problem is that the packag it's contained "libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev" doesn'tseem to be on 16.10 repos
[13:10] <mas8998> ducasse: "apt-file" command was not found.
[13:10] <mas8998> installing
[13:10] <ducasse> mas8998: also run 'apt-file update'
[13:12] <mas8998> ducasse: anything is returned. :/
[13:12] <mas8998> After updating
[13:12] <ducasse> mas8998: if it doesn't find anything then that file is not available in the repo packages.
[13:13] <mas8998> ducasse, The ona I can find is 1.0.0 do you know how could I link the second as the first?
[13:16] <zhuchkov> hi #ubuntu what is your preferred method/tools to measure the quality of unknown network between two ubuntu machines?
[13:16] <ducasse> mas8998: that very likely won't work
[13:16] <Pici> zhuchkov: mtr
[13:16] <mas8998> ducasse, Ok :-(
[13:18] <ttmd> do I need ibus installed?
[13:18] <zhuchkov> e.g. we're intended to leave the program running for a few days and then export the statistics for plotting and/or analyzing
[13:20] <mas8998> ducasse: Woah it actually worked. Found those files on the Steam runtime environment and manually copied them to "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu"
[13:20] <mas8998> Amazing.
[13:26] <ttmd> it's quiet in here
[13:28] <mas8998> ducasse: Woah, I', getting the following when the "serious" program have to start passed the initial screen: "log4cxx: No appender could be found for logger (Undefined).log4cxx: Please initialize the log4cxx system properly."
[13:28] <ducasse> mas8998: which program is this?
[13:28] <mas8998> daVinci Resolve
[13:29] <ducasse> mas8998: never heard of. you should talk to their support, as it's not ubuntu-supported.
[13:29] <mas8998> Hm. Okay thanks. :/
[13:33] <silicatewielder> Hello, could someone help me figure out why I am unable to compile this dependency I need?
[13:33] <silicatewielder> I have already checked and my kernel and header versions are identical
[13:35] <ttmd> do I need to have ibus installed?
[13:36] <scottjl> silicatewielder: can you post your error to pastbin?
[13:36] <alakazann> :)
[13:39] <zhuchkov> Pici, okay, thanks. Any options in particular?
[13:41] <ducasse> ttmd: do you use gnome, budgie or unity?
[13:41] <ttmd> gnome
[13:42] <ducasse> ttmd: gnome recommends ibus, so it might be a good idea to keep it
[13:44] <ttmd> but i write with letters
[13:47] <mrcloud> hi. How can I know what path is using /usr/bin/env ruby?
[13:47] <ducasse> ttmd: a 'recommends' just means it adds functionality - it's not critical. if you don't need that functionality you can remove it.
[13:47] <ttmd> good
[13:50] <NaturallyCurious> Does Installing Cross Over on Ubuntu GNU/Linux make my computer vulnerable to windows viruses?
[13:51] <mcphail> NaturallyCurious: generally no, but a malicious script _could_ damage your files and install. Crossover/wine does not restrict what the windows executable can do
[13:51] <mcphail> NaturallyCurious: basically, have a backup if you're running anything dodgy
[13:52] <NaturallyCurious> I have setup a think pad for my mother who is a school teach with Ubuntu GNU/Linux. I installed cross over just so that she has access to microsoft office 2013 if she needs it. Will doing so mean that her computer needs an antivirus as well?
[13:52] <NaturallyCurious> Or is this case scenario ok
[13:54] <mcphail> NaturallyCurious: if it is a legitimate copy of Office, there should be no problem from the executable itself. But, say, a malicious excel macro could still wreak havok, just as it could on Windows
[13:54] <NaturallyCurious> ok, cool. Will keep that in mind.
[13:54] <NaturallyCurious> Thank you for your reply
[13:54] <ducasse> NaturallyCurious: the important thing is to have regular, tested backups.
[13:54] <NaturallyCurious> How do the backups work on Ubuntu?
[13:55] <NaturallyCurious> I am only really familiar with the backup system "Time Machine" for mac
[13:55] <xenefix> just archive the directory XD
[13:55] <ducasse> NaturallyCurious: try backintime for example
[13:55] <NaturallyCurious> cool
[13:55] <NaturallyCurious> will look for that
[13:55] <xenefix> Or if serious backups, try backula
[13:56] <mcphail> !backup | NaturallyCurious
[13:56] <mcphail> NaturallyCurious: I use rsnapshot, which works well for me
[13:57] <NaturallyCurious> will take a look, thanks
[13:57] <NaturallyCurious> IS there an easy to understand manual for that one?
[13:59] <NaturallyCurious> Is the built in backup tool (already in ubuntu) any good?
[13:59] <NaturallyCurious> I mean, I don't want my mom to kill me if something goes wrong and I don't have a way to backup and restore files
[14:00] <marvin2> why would I use fakeroot to build archives over just executing the command as root?
[14:05] <ducasse> NaturallyCurious: the important thing is that you actually _do_ the backups, and you really should test that you can restore from them. see the links from ubottu for details.
[14:06] <jienan> hi
[14:06] <restlessDreamer> hello! random question but what time zone are ubuntu releases based around?
[14:07] <restlessDreamer> ex. it's already 13 April in australia
[14:07] <Pici> restlessDreamer: Canonical HQ is in London, but releases are on a "when they're done" sort of schedule.
[14:08] <restlessDreamer> so it's just some time within the next 24 hours?
[14:09] <Pici> restlessDreamer: pretty much.
[14:09] <ducasse> restlessDreamer: during april 13th london time _if_ it's ready as expected
[14:10] <ttmd> as if they ever delayed releases
[14:10] <NaturallyCurious> Cool, I will try the built in backup software
[14:10] <NaturallyCurious> I have  an Apple Time Capsule (which is basically a NAS). Does anyone know how I can connect to it from Ubuntu so I can setup the backup wirelessly?
[14:11] <ducasse> ttmd: 6.06 was two months late, so it can happen
[14:12] <ttmd> canonical gonna lay off one half of their staff, i wonder what effect it will have
[14:13] <doge-doge> hey guys, i finally have an ssd for my backup ubuntumate 16.10 box. is there an easy way to migrate data or is it going to be infinitely easier to just backup the home folder and restore on a nuke-n-pave, considering it already has luks
[14:14] <Home> wow your message is in green
[14:14] <doge-doge> i heard resizing luks partitions is like switching out a timing belt in your car
[14:15] <ducasse> doge-doge: backup and restore, imo
[14:16] <doge-doge> yeah i'll prolly just wait until 17.04 release anyway in case there's going to be any upgrade issues that arise elsewhere
[14:20] <Bluewolf> Hi all, Just bought a new 1TB hard drive and I want to test it before installing anything. I am running of a live USB at the moment. Is there any command I can run in the terminal to check this, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04?
[14:20] <NaturallyCurious> usb ls ?
[14:20] <doge-doge> disks utility and run the smart tests there
[14:23] <Malsasa_> Bluewolf, open Disk Utility and go to SMART Data & SelfTests.
[14:24] <apodio>  hi
[14:24] <Bluewolf> doge-doge: Malsasa_: Well that's what I did. It says the disk is okay, but in the smart data and self test. It has the Read Error Rate as Pre-fail, under type, with the assessment saying its okay. This is the same with the Spinup time and a number of others down the list. Not to mention some are labled as Old-Age. Am I miss understanding this and could you explain?
[14:24] <apodio> test
[14:27] <Malsasa_> Hello Bluewolf, I can't give you any info (I haven't tested my own drive) but you can see https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/disk-check.html.en (short) and https://www.linux.com/learn/how-test-solid-state-drive-health-gnome-disks (long).
[14:30] <marech> hii! any release date for ubuntu 17.04?
[14:30] <ducasse> marech: tomorrow
[14:30] <marech> wow, good timing form me, i knew that in heart :D
[14:30] <Bluewolf> Malsasa_: Okay, the second link you sent me, the assessment in that image is just how mine is. I was just wondering about the other types there as it is brand new
[14:31] <Malsasa_> marech, hello, you just asked what I wanted to ask. Thanks.
[14:32] <marech> Malsasa_, welcome! :))
[14:34] <Malsasa_> marech, I knew from Ubuntu official mailing list that the date would be 13th April (next day) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2017-March/000219.html but I didn't know precisely what time (HH:MM) it would be.
[14:34] <brainwash> !17.04
[14:35] <marech> ohh, im really looking forward to try new gnome, cant do it on 16.04 :(
[14:35] <Pici> !isitout
[14:36] <Malsasa_> brainwash, Pici thank you for the commmands.
[14:38] <Malsasa_> marech, I heard GNOME will be used on 18.04 (2018). But why 16.04? You can use Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 instead.
[14:39] <Bluewolf> Thanks guys'
[14:42] <marech> Malsasa_, hmm you sure you can get latest gnome 3.24 on that?
[14:43] <Malsasa_> marech, from the official repo, I'm not sure.
[14:53] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. When trying to upgrade my kernel, I'm getting "unable to create new file '/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-extra-4.4.0-72-generic.list-new': Operation not permitted"  How is that even possible? I'm doing this as root!
[14:53] <Pegasus_RPG> I have plenty of free disk space, so that isn't it
[14:54] <Pegasus_RPG> I can touch a new file in that directory, so what gives>?
[14:54] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[14:54] <ikevin> Pegasus_RPG, kernel come from ubuntu repo?
[14:54] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: how are you runnig the command?
[14:55] <that1guy> hello
[14:55] <Pegasus_RPG> ikevin: yes
[14:55] <Bashing-om> Pegasus_RPG: ^^ and did you 'update' ?
[14:55] <Pegasus_RPG> nacc: apt-get -f install (I had to forcibly remove the last kernel because it didn't install properly)
[14:55] <that1guy> i am looking for information on how to do basic things. linux is completely new to me.
[14:56] <nacc> !manual | that1guy
[14:56] <Pegasus_RPG> Bashing-om: yes
[14:56] <ikevin> Pegasus_RPG, no fs error?
[14:56] <Pegasus_RPG> wait, my a-v scanner might be getting in the way...
[14:56] <that1guy> like how to install software manually
[14:57] <nacc> that1guy: that's not a 'basic thing', really :)
[14:57] <ikevin> that1guy, it depend of the software
[14:57] <that1guy> wallets for crypto
[14:57] <tgm4883> Using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, any way to get different backgrounds in a 2 monitor setup?
[14:57] <nacc> that1guy: you don't need to do that to use linux, in general. also what do you mean specifically by "manually"
[14:57] <nacc> tgm4883: not that i've found yet -- but i wonder if there is a shelle extension for it (that seems to be the way to do anything :)
[14:57] <ikevin> tgm4883, make your own image with the good resolution :p
[14:57] <schneider> Hi, I'm not sure if is related to this channel, I'm using linux-mint. When I'm using steam game cs, the cpu strikes up to 120%+ when ingame
[14:58] <schneider> It is something with system setup?
[14:58] <nacc> !mint | schneider
[14:58] <Pegasus_RPG> huh, that was it. Is there some issue with the kernel installation not able to wait on long fs timeouts?
[14:59] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: well, sudo probably timed out
[14:59] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm running apt-get as full on root
[14:59] <ikevin> Pegasus_RPG, i think it's not related to kernel installation so related to fs
[14:59] <Pegasus_RPG> ikevin: sure, the fs is taking longer to respond due to the virus scan, but that shouldn't cause it to fail
[15:00] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: hard to say without more details of where it's failing (you'd need to debug dpkg)
[15:00] <ikevin> Pegasus_RPG, you can make a test using ionice
[15:01] <Pegasus_RPG> nacc: okay
[15:01] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: but note that the message wasn't a timeout but an EPERM from somewhere
[15:01] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: at least, afaict
[15:02] <Pegasus_RPG> I suspect the fs returned that because the a-v engine had the file locked to scan it
[15:02] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: right then it's not about speed at all
[15:02] <Pegasus_RPG> ah
[15:02] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: also, av on linux?
[15:03] <tgm4883> nacc: I didn't see any while searching. I've tried nitrogen but that doesn't seem to do anything either
[15:03] <nacc> seems relatively unnecessary :)
[15:03] <Pegasus_RPG> nacc: yes, there are a few Linux viruses and I've had a system compromised in the past
[15:03] <Pegasus_RPG> (If I had been running the a-v at that time, the malicious code would never have been able to run.)
[15:04] <that1guy> does the package management work with all software?
[15:04] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: interesting! sorry to hear that
[15:04] <nacc> Pegasus_RPG: right, but then sounds like there are going to be gotchas like the one you have found
[15:04] <nacc> that1guy: all software that is in the repositories, yes
[15:05] <nacc> that1guy: your questions are very vague, it's hard to answer
[15:05] <Pegasus_RPG> nacc: plus it prevents using my Linux systems as unwitting repos/vectors for Windows/Mac viruses
[15:05] <that1guy> i am trying to install crypto wallets.
[15:05] <Pegasus_RPG> but yes, gotchas indeed occur occasionally
[15:05] <that1guy> it does not seem to be in repositories
[15:05] <nacc> that1guy: what is 'crypto wallets'? where do you have the name from, etc.
[15:06] <nacc> tgm4883: you went through the step of tweaking and having gnome not manage the desktop?
[15:06] <that1guy> like bitcoin wallets, software that holds they coins and verifies the blockchains
[15:06] <nacc> tgm4883: (with nitrogen)
[15:06] <tgm4883> nacc: in the tweak tool the option isn't there. There's a "no icons on desktop" which I'm guessing is the same value
[15:07] <tgm4883> nacc: if there's other settings, I don't see them
[15:07] <nacc> tgm4883: i wonder if it's background -> none?
[15:08] <tgm4883> hmm, maybe. Let me try
[15:08] <nacc> that seems like it would just turn off the wallpaper though
[15:08] <nacc> tgm4883: you might try asking the gnome folks, seems like something where the documentation that's out there is constantly out of date :)
[15:10] <nacc> that1guy: electrum appears to be snapped
[15:10] <nacc> but i don't know by whom (although they got the official name)
[15:10] <tgm4883> nacc: it's definitely under something. When I flip the icons button I can briefly see the nitrogen wallpaper I've selected
[15:10] <Pegasus_RPG> Thanks all
[15:10] <nacc> tgm4883: ah interesting!
[15:11] <nacc> tgm4883: so yeah, it's something competing between the two
[15:11] <Pegasus_RPG> I'll try and debug this next time it happens. For now I have other work to do.
[15:11] <mothership> oi lads
[15:12] <nacc> tgm4883: dconf -> org.gnome.desktop.background.draw-background ?
[15:12] <nacc> tgm4883: or is that hte same value as "none"?
[15:12] <nacc> tgm4883: you could also mess with the opacity there, i think, and see if you can see the nitrogen backgrond
[15:17] <Jerry_> I need help with my graphics tablet?
[15:18] <Jerry_> It doesn't seem to be working very well with ubuntu
[15:18] <mguy> Jerry_: Start off with what kind it is, and what problems you are having
[15:19] <Jerry_> It is an XP-PEN Star G430
[15:19] <Jerry_> Some own brand tablet
[15:20] <Jerry_> When I tap on the tablet, the computer detects it as moving the mouse
[15:20] <Jerry_> When it should detect it as a "click"
[15:21] <Jerry_> ubuntu doesn't recognise the pen input when I hold it above the pad
[15:21] <Jerry_> so yeah.
[15:22] <Jerry_> ...
[15:22] <nacc> the pen probably needs a driver, which may or may not exist
[15:22] <nacc> Jerry_: as to the click, you might need to change the mouse settings
[15:22] <nacc> "tap to click" maybe?
[15:22] <Jerry_> Hmm...
[15:23] <Jerry_> Ok  one sec
[15:23] <nacc> if it detects your touchscreen that is
[15:23] <Jerry_> Nope, same problem
[15:23] <Jerry_> Tap to click was already on, I turned it off and I still have the same issue
[15:24] <nacc> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2326961
[15:24] <nacc> fwiw
[15:24] <Jerry_> ubuntu seems to recognise my device as a mouse maybe?
[15:24] <Jerry_> Ok I'll check that thread
[15:26] <Jerry_> Ok cheers, I think I have the fix.
[15:27] <zensir> hello
[15:27] <zensir> i nees help installing lubuntu on my ld laptop
[15:27] <zensir> anyone_
[15:27] <Bashing-om> !details | zensir
[15:28] <zensir> ok i am traying to install lubuntu and i start the process until the INSTALL button apears gary and it wont be clickable
[15:29] <zensir> i am running lubuntu from the USB now
[15:30] <zensir> my hard drive is totally erased
[15:30] <Bashing-om> zensir: K, What options are you choosing for the install operation ? AND is this " dual boot " ?
[15:30] <zensir> is it a drive format problem?
[15:30] <zensir> no i want a full install
[15:31] <zensir> no dual boot
[15:31] <zensir> i erased my hd from gparted from the live lubuntu usb
[15:32] <tsglove> zensir, at what point does the install button become gray?
[15:32] <Bashing-om> zensir: OK, From that liveUSB, pastebin the output of terminal command ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . see here if the system sees that hard drive .
[15:33] <zensir> becomes gray when it lets me choose from FULL INSTALL or SOMETHING ELSE install
[15:33] <tsglove> that is lubuntu?
[15:33] <staplezebra> #zimbra
[15:33] <zensir> that is
[15:33] <zensir> i just downloaded the last ISO
[15:34] <tsglove> ok, click on the hdd, until the checkmark dis-appears... then re-check mark it
[15:34] <zensir> ok
[15:35] <zensir> now it becomes clickable
[15:35] <zensir> >D
[15:35] <tsglove> yeah.... I figured... I have been bitten by that before.
[15:35] <zensir> any ideas why_
[15:35] <max__> hello?
[15:35] <tsglove> Not really... I mean, I always click... no install.... click click click... then install
[15:36] <zensir> hHAHAHA
[15:36] <zensir> ok let me try it
[15:36] <zensir> let see
[15:36] <zensir> thnx dude
[15:36] <tsglove> super... happy I could help =)
[15:36] <Guest95873> somebody knows a package for develp hybrid apps? srry for my english
[15:36] <nacc> Guest95873: what are "hybrid apps"?
[15:36] <tsglove> Guest95873, hybrid apps?
[15:37] <Guest95873> yeah for mobiles
[15:37] <tsglove> like... Android Studio?
[15:37] <zensir> ok it let me go through the keyboard confiuration lets see
[15:37] <tsglove> React Native?
[15:37] <tsglove> Electron?
[15:37] <Guest95873> android studio its for native apps
[15:37] <Guest95873> i need develop one app for multiple plataform
[15:38] <Guest95873> let me see react native and electron ty
[15:38] <zensir> hoooo system problem detected
[15:39] <zensir> :(
[15:39] <zensir> while copying files
[15:41] <Bashing-om> zensir: Verify the dusk . Boot the liveUSB - soon as the bios screen clears depress a shift key ( EFI: escape key ) .. language screen, escape key to accept the default -> boot options screen -> " check disk for defects" .
[15:41] <Bashing-om> dusk/disk*
[15:48] <Tim_Thaler> Hi, how do i convert upstart to System-V Init ?
[15:49] <nacc> Tim_Thaler: not sure why you'd do that on ubuntu? are you on 14.04?
[15:50] <Tim_Thaler> i would like to know , why upstart was dropped by Canonical...
[15:50] <nacc> Tim_Thaler: that's a different question
[15:50] <Tim_Thaler> any valuable links ?
[15:50] <nacc> Tim_Thaler: and is offtopic for the support channel
[15:51] <nacc> Tim_Thaler: feel free to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[15:53] <OerHeks> upstart is developd by canonical, but the Debian project decided to adopt systemd on a future release in 2014, Mark Shuttleworth announced that Ubuntu would begin plans to migrate to systemd itself to maintain consistency with upstream..
[15:54] <OerHeks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart
[15:55] <OerHeks> and one does not want to go back to unmaintained system-v init...
[15:55] <marvin2> are nautilus and Files the same thing? or is nautilus just an alias for Files
[15:56] <Azulflame> Files is the shortcut name, which could be reassigned. Nautilus is the program that is your actual file manager
[15:56] <nacc> marvin2: the other way around for the latter, i think (by default) -- i think maybe it's adjustable?
[15:56] <Azulflame> on Ubuntu Mate (what I'm running), Nautilus has been replaced with Caja
[15:56] <nacc> what Azulflame said, more clearly :)
[15:56] <Azulflame> and Files launches Caja
[15:56] <marvin2> how can I tell what it is? help/about just says "Files"
[15:57] <Azulflame> what OS are you running? Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Gentoo?
[15:57] <marvin2> I have a script in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts, but I can't access it from a program launched when I type nautilus, so I am just wondering if I am actually running nautilus or not
[15:57] <marvin2> ubuntu
[15:58] <marvin2> ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[15:58] <Azulflame> you've got Nautilus
[15:58] <nacc> marvin2: if you run `nautilus`, then you're running nautilus
[15:58] <Azulflame> something else you could do would be to open up the file manager, and check your task manager
[15:59] <nacc> marvin2: are you sure that's the right path?
[15:59] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NautilusScriptsHowto
[15:59] <marvin2> so why is my script not displayed in the context menu? I'm suppose to have a Script submenu there, and then my script, I can't see either
[15:59] <ttmd> marvin2: is it executable?
[15:59] <marvin2> yes
[15:59] <nacc> marvin2: read that wiki page, it has quite a few Notes and details
[15:59] <nacc> marvin2: including that you are using the wrong path, afaict
[16:00] <marvin2> I must be reading an old guide then
[16:00] <marvin2> yeah, it works after moving it to ~/.local/share/nautilus/scripts/
[16:00] <marvin2> thanks!
[16:00] <ttmd> what happened to nemo? i thought ubuntu were migrating to it some time ago
[16:02] <nacc> ttmd: that's the cinnamon file manager, iirc
[16:13] <johnfg> hi folks
[16:14] <johnfg> Just installed 16.10 server in a vm.
[16:14] <johnfg> Is there a firewall installed by default with ubuntu server?
[16:14] <johnfg> I don't really need one, in this vm, imho.
[16:15] <mcphail> !firewall | johnfg
[16:15] <OerHeks> iptables, without rules.
[16:16] <nacc> yeah, iirc, there is a firewall, it's just configured by default on server
[16:16] <johnfg> Thanks guys, I'll check those pages out.  I'm coming from a mainly debian/centos background, but am liking ubuntu.
[16:16] <nacc> just *not* configured, sorry
[16:16] <johnfg> Very easily configurable so far, including openldap and kerberos.  Very straightforward.
[16:21] <tomreyn> johnfg: fwiw, most folks prefer long term support (LTS) - 16.10 does not provide this (16.04 LTS does). But maybe you are just testing...
[16:38] <boxrick1> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/yakkety/man5/apt.conf.5.html - for the http::proxy specifies that if DIRECT is used it will bypass the global proxy env var, yet this doesn't seem to be working.
[16:38] <marvin2> I am doing "dpkg-deb --build ./dir"  and getting "dpkg-deb: error: maintainer script 'preinst' has bad permissions 664 (must be >=0555 and <=0775)"
[16:39] <marvin2> what is that permission for?
[16:41] <noob_> Why does "ubuntu" appear on my EFI table no matter how many times I delete it
[16:41] <zachary> Because you haven't removed it from your UEFI list
[16:41] <zachary> What machine to you have?
[16:42] <noob_> My own desktop?
[16:43] <zachary> Well, there should be a way in the UEFI settings menu to add/remove, change preference/order of EUFI entries
[16:44] <OerHeks> marvin2, Read-and-execute is 5, read and write is 6, Read, Write and Execute have a permission value of 7
[16:44] <zachary> You can try to remove it from there.  Else, you can edit the UEFI from the command line in Linux, or in Windows with a nifty app
[16:44] <noob_> via efibootmgr?
[16:45] <zachary> yes
[16:48] <oholiab> hey, I'm looking for some documentation relating to what does and doesn't change in the security and main repositories for a given release
[16:48] <nacc> oholiab: what would you like to know?
[16:48] <marvin2> so what is the meaning of Arhitecture in DEBIAN/control? I am not compiling anything, this is a python plugin. guide I am reading had it set to mipsel, but my target CPU is arm
[16:48] <nacc> oholiab: security contains security updates for packages
[16:48] <marvin2> do I just change it to arm (assuming I even need to)?
[16:48] <oholiab> nacc: yeap, I suppose I'm more looking for what will change in main for a given release
[16:49] <nacc> oholiab: the 'main' repository doesn't change for the release pocket (e.g., xenial). but the xenial-updates pocket does get backported fixes
[16:49] <oholiab> so it doesn't change at all?
[16:49] <oholiab> I was under the impression from something else I read from the release team's wiki that breaking bugs would be fixed in main
[16:49] <nacc> oholiab: for xenial/main, not really, once xenial releases
[16:50] <nacc> oholiab: for an existing release?
[16:50] <oholiab> yeah
[16:50] <nacc> oholiab: not that i know of, but i might be wrong -- those fixes go into updates
[16:51] <nacc> oholiab: you can see this in the rmadison output for, say, php7.0. The releaase pocket (xenial) has the original release version when 16.04 came out. x-s and x-u have the updated versions (because for php the update was released via security as well)
[16:52] <nacc> marvin2: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html i think there are also packagin specific channels
[16:52] <nacc> marvin2: but python plugins should be 'all' if architecture independent
[16:58] <oholiab> nacc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#A_Quick.2C_Tongue-in-cheek_Description_of_the_Ubuntu_Repositories looks like you're probably right about that no-updates-in-main thing
[16:58] <nacc> oholiab: ack, that's certainly my understanding (the archive freezes on release essentially)
[17:00] <oholiab> nacc: nice, thanks for your help :)
[17:00] <nacc> oholiab: np
[17:34] <barAve> has anyone used EHCP (easy hosting control panel) on ubuntu 14.04?
[17:45] <That1guy> Ok, so I got everything downloaded on my rpi. Thank you for pointing me towards the electrum repository.
[17:47] <That1guy> But now I am trying to install ubuntu on my Asus ROG Strix GL702VM-DB74. But I keep getting errors and it doesn't install
[17:49] <kostkon> !details
[17:50] <That1guy> When I first boot ubuntu installer it says something about not recognizing a chipset. Do I need a different version of ubuntu?
[17:51] <That1guy> I'm trying to get to the same point so I can tell you the exact errors
[17:54] <Eightynine> I'm using Ubuntu GNOME, how can I install Dash to Dock?
[17:54] <adrian_1908> That1guy: You don't need a special version of Ubuntu, or rather there isn't one that would improve hardware compatibility. Are you using 17.04?
[17:54] <nacc> Eightynine: i think it's a gnome shell extension
[17:55] <nacc> Eightynine: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[17:55] <soemqopr> hi
[17:55] <soemqopr> google earth works like crap on ubuntu? Does any oen else
[17:55] <Eightynine> I know, but I can't add it for some reason. Maybe I should use Firefox?
[17:55] <soemqopr> too face the google earth problem
[17:55] <nacc> Eightynine: tweak tool -> extensions -> get more extensions -> search for "dash to dock", install
[17:55] <soemqopr> and despite removing the cache
[17:55] <soemqopr> same problem persits
[17:55] <soemqopr> any one else, like me ?
[17:55] <soemqopr> And in my situation, if so, pleases tell me
[17:57] <That1guy> Whichever is the newest desktop ubuntu I am using
[17:59] <That1guy> When I get it to boot, I press install, it gives a brief "noveau (wrong spelling) does not recognice chipset be for going to the install welcome screen
[17:59] <gogeta> anyone know how to fix the steam store using steam wine
[17:59] <That1guy> I press enlgish, enter in my wifi
[17:59] <qvant> gogeta: what do you mean by "steam wine" and what do you need to fix?
[18:00] <Bashing-om> That1guy: " not recognizing a chipset " Graphics ?? Try booting with the nomodeset boot parameter .
[18:00] <kostkon> gogeta, why are you using the windows version?
[18:00] <ManiacRozen> hey peeps
[18:00] <That1guy> That's rocket science to me lol. I'll look into how to do that
[18:01] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | That1guy
[18:01] <gogeta> qvant wine stem loads but the store is broken the workaround in winehq dont seem to work
[18:02] <qvant> gogeta, why don't you use the native steam for gnu/linux?
[18:02] <That1guy> It only boots to that black screen for a few seconds. Then starts the installation process
[18:02] <adrian_1908> That1guy: Imo you should try to get 17.04 which comes with a newer kernel, and see if that fixes the issue. It should be released any day now, and you can get the release candidate now, which will update itself into the final release in the days after.
[18:02] <That1guy> Doeso that sound right?
[18:02] <gogeta> qvant: i do have a native but i needed the window version for a windows game
[18:02] <That1guy> For the error you think it is
[18:03] <gogeta> qvant: but i need toget into its broswe to reinstall it
[18:03] <AppAraat> hello, on 16.04, how do I install the most basic Mate DE? Package is called mate-core right?
[18:03] <adrian_1908> That1guy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/   image: "zesty-desktop-amd64.iso"
[18:04] <qvant> gogeta, even if you manage to do that, it's totally not a certainity that your game will work
[18:04] <Guest589> Hello I want to use Ubuntu with brltty.
[18:05] <washuu_de> When something aborts with an error and I see a popup where on launchpad is that sent to? Can I add info to it? (I'm registered on Laubchpad)
[18:05] <That1guy> Ok. Thank you. I m going to try that.
[18:05] <That1guy> Will be back in a few
[18:05] <adrian_1908> That1guy: Your notebook has a pretty new GPU from what I understand, so it might just be fixed with the more recent kernel/drivers that come with it. Hence my suggestion.
[18:06] <adrian_1908> Good luck.
[18:09] <That1guy> adrian_1908 I am going to try that. Thank you
[18:10] <washuu_de> Sorry. Wrong channel. For Launchpad questions goto #Jaunchpad
[18:12] <That1guy> I would pick the amd64 one right?
[18:16] <Bashing-om> That1guy: Yeah .. AMD64 .
[18:16] <That1guy> Thank you. Not wanting to mess this up. Really looking forward to the ubuntu world
[18:17] <Bashing-om> That1guy: 'ubie is a good place to be ,, but keep in mind --- this ain't Windows .
[18:17] <That1guy> Exactly why I'm switching
[18:18] <Bashing-om> That1guy: :)
[18:20]  * Bl4ckC0r3 Hi all
[18:21] <That1guy> Is ubie another irc room?
[18:22] <slodki> Wake-on-LAN not working in Zesty after poweroff - only at suspend. Works like a charm with the same config/hardware under slackware linux. Is there any way to power down ethernet NIC to support WoL at poweroff state? Old ubuntu HOWTO points to "halt -i" command and similar, but this is not supported in zesty systemd
[18:23] <Bashing-om> That1guy: Naw .. 'ubie' familiar short term for ubuntu and all it's flavors .
[18:23] <Bashing-om> !17.04 | slodki
[18:23] <shadygoose> tryna get DRM working by following the tutorial by Nick http://askubuntu.com/questions/764727/hbonow-on-ubuntu-16-04lts but the test is stuck at "Loading flash access license"
[18:31] <root____1> hei
[18:31] <root____1> holla
[18:31] <morrowyn> hi
[18:32] <root____1>  @ = channel op, * = IRC op
[18:33] <morrowyn> im trying to setup a cron job every 35 seconds, but when i use */35 * * * * *’ i gets triggered at 00:00:35 and 00:01:00 (hh:mm:ss), i expected 00:01:05
[18:33]  * root____1 hallo
[18:33] <morrowyn> any idea what i am doingwrong here?
[18:35] <tgm4883> morrowyn: you can't set that
[18:35] <tgm4883> morrowyn: you're telling it to run at times divisable by 35
[18:35] <morrowyn> ok
[18:36] <tgm4883> morrowyn: running a cronjob every 35 seconds seems like a bad idea anyway
[18:36] <root____1> holla
[18:36] <morrowyn> so how would i set it so, that it get triggered at  00:00:35 and at 00:01:05 ?
[18:36] <pavlos> morrowyn: cron does not go sub-minute
[18:37] <That1guy> Bashing-om I want to keep the copy of windows 10 just in case I need it. I have backed it up to a external HDD. Is that all I need to do? And is it possible for me to at first have them run side by side and then remove windows after I know ubuntu is working properly?
[18:40] <Hemant> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:40] <Hemant> can anyone help withthe above error please. thanks
[18:43] <Hemant> hello
[18:43] <pavlos> Hemant: try, sudo apt-get install -f
[18:43] <fiberbaby> who cares about Wake-on-LAN ?
[18:45] <Hemant> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:45] <Hemant> still the same error
[18:45] <nacc> Hemant: pastebin the full log
[18:45] <nacc> !pastebin | Henster[m]
[18:45] <nacc> bah, sorry Henster[m]
[18:46] <nacc> Hemant: --^ the above faq
[18:46] <shadygoose> https://www.maketecheasier.com/watch-hbo-now-ubuntu/ followed this tutorial. firefox isn't creating the plugins.
[18:48] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369155/
[18:48] <Hemant> here is the full log
[18:49] <That1guy> I just received another error. I am installing from a usb drive. It says, [errno 5] input/output error
[18:49] <nacc> Hemant: did you install a different python on your system?
[18:50] <nacc> Hemant: does this file exist? /usr/lib/python2.7/plat-x86_64-linux-gnu/_sysconfigdata_nd.py
[18:51] <Hemant> my default python version is 3. But i need to use python 2.7 to run macs
[18:51] <nacc> Hemant: what do you mean 'default python is 3'?
[18:52] <nacc> Hemant: `python` should always be python 2
[18:52] <minimec> Hemant: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=python2.7&searchon=names
[18:52] <nacc> minimec: and you have python 2.7 anyways
[18:52] <k1l> Hemant: ubuntu 16.04 got python3 which is 3 and python which is 2,7
[18:52] <nacc> bah!
[18:52] <nacc> Hemant: you have python 2.7 anywways
[18:52] <Hemant> yes i found that file nacc
[18:53] <Hemant> $ python Python 3.6.0 (default, Feb 19 2017, 14:09:05)  [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>
[18:53] <nacc> Hemant: that's wrong and will break things
[18:53] <nacc> Hemant: you should not change what python is referring to
[18:53] <Hemant> yes i have python 2.7 too
[18:54] <nacc> Hemant: what version of ubuntu?
[18:54] <nacc> Hemant: right, but `python` should say python 2.7something and `python3` should say python 3.x.something
[18:55] <Hemant> ubuntu 16.04 lts
[18:55] <nacc> i suspect you broke your python installation by doing something
[18:55] <nacc> yes, there's definitely no python 3.6 in 16.04
[18:55] <Hemant> i needed to install different version of python
[18:55] <nacc> Hemant: so did you build from source?
[18:55] <k1l> (or use some ppa)
[18:55] <nacc> "needed"
[18:55] <nacc> so you needed to break your system?
[18:56] <Hemant> this is python 3.6
[18:56] <nacc> sorry, that was rude, but it's rather frustating to be so cavalier with system programs
[18:56] <nacc> Hemant: python 3.6 does not exist in ubuntu on 16.04
[18:56] <nacc> Hemant: so you did something outside of ubuntu
[18:56] <nacc> i don't know what else you have done outside of ubuntu at this point
[18:57] <Hemant> so what is this out put http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369188/
[18:57] <Hemant> yes from source
[18:57] <ioria> Hemant, you use some python ppa ?
[18:58] <jowi> hello everyone
[18:58] <pavlos> Hemant: you may have to rebuild the python2.7 tree, sudo apt install --reinstall python2.7-minimal
[18:58] <crypton> Algum brasileiro aq ?
[18:58] <k1l> Hemant: can you show "apt policy python"
[18:58] <k1l> !br | crypton
[19:00] <Hemant> ok i dont know what its means that python is broken . But ok it seems i will have to rebuilt it.
[19:00] <ioria> Hemant, or pyenv ?
 Hemant: can you show "apt policy python"
[19:00] <Hemant> whats python ppa
[19:00] <ioria> Hemant, ^ k1l
[19:00] <ffs> does ubuntu moving back to gnome mean it will be usable again, or is gnome still one of these "dae le tablet" environments?
[19:01] <Hemant> $ apt policy python python:   Installed: 2.7.11-1   Candidate: 2.7.11-1   Version table:  *** 2.7.11-1 500         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:02] <ioria> Hemant,  on paste.ubuntu.com is more elegant :þ
[19:02] <Hemant> ok let me try again
[19:02] <k1l> Hemant: hmm, and "python3" package?
[19:02] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369213/
[19:02] <ioria> Hemant,  or dpkg -l | grep python*
[19:03] <k1l> but i guess he installed a bin manually then
[19:03] <ioria> Hemant,  the first is ok
[19:03] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369218/
[19:03] <Hemant> python3
[19:04] <k1l> Hemant: can you show "apt policy python3"
[19:04] <ioria> Hemant,  is 3.5 in xenial
[19:04] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369225/
[19:05] <pavlos> Hemant: ls -l /usr/bin/python*
[19:05] <g105b> Hi everyone. I am going to miss unity for the following two reasons: "Local" global menus and their ability to merge with the top system bar, and the Alt button's menu search feature. In Gnome, is there any way of achieving these two goals?
[19:05] <osn12> Hi, i have a question about envrionment variables, if i do rm -rf $blah/$blah2 and these variables are not defined, apparently they are ignored and i screw up myself by doing rm -rf //  , how is that possible ?
[19:05] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369230/
[19:05] <nacc> osn12: because your shell is interpreting them
[19:06] <nacc> osn12: also never do -f with variables (imo)
[19:06] <osn12> nacc: is there any thing i can read about this, or i can google to learn more.
[19:06] <ioria> Hemant,  i think you set up a virtual env ?
[19:06] <Hemant> this is ubuntu 16.04 lts
[19:06] <nacc> osn12: `man bash` ? :)
[19:06] <k1l> Hemant: ok, so i guess you installed or linked the python3.6 binaries manually
[19:06] <osn12> nacc: something more specific :)
[19:06] <thunter5> I have two LVM's on a Ubuntu server that died and was rebuild. The old LVM still has an active swap file and I can't remove the drive from the LVM so I can move it to the new LVM.
[19:07] <xangua> g105b: unity will be supported in 16.04 LTS up to 2021, there is balance global menu that's supposed to work in lxde(gtk2), xfce, mate; KDE recently RE introduced their global menu (only KDE and qt apps supported)
[19:07] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369289/
[19:07] <Bashing-om> That1guy: Away from the keyboard .. still with a problem ?
[19:08] <ioria> Hemant,  sudo updatedb; locate python3.6
[19:08] <g105b> I'm in no rush to replace Unity, but I wouldn't mind trying some different DEs out to get a really good workflow like I have with Unity now.
[19:08] <xangua> g105b: s/balance/vala global menu
[19:08] <That1guy> No. I ex
[19:08] <nacc> osn12: you mgith want to look at set -u
[19:08] <nacc> osn12: in `man bash`
[19:09] <That1guy> I reinstalled and it's working fine now
[19:09] <nacc> osn12: i mean, your question is as basic as "what are shell variables" right now
[19:09] <g105b> xangua: Do you know what I mean about "local" global menus?
[19:09] <Hemant> i dont remeber what i have done . I tried many things
[19:09] <nacc> osn12: they are not 'ignored', an unset variable resolves to '' (empty string)
[19:09] <xangua> g105b: KDE has that... Kinda (a button in the window)
[19:09] <ioria> Hemant, the location of the binary should give you an idea
[19:10] <pavlos> Hemant: no idea why you get python3.6.0 unless you installed it from a tarball on top of 3.5
[19:10] <g105b> This one feature is one of my favourite, but I don't know of any other OS/DE that does it as well as Unity: http://i.imgur.com/qoBxXfh.png
[19:11] <Bashing-om> That1guy: Great .. glad ya made it . We are here as you have questions .
[19:11] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369314/
[19:12] <ioria> Hemant, i think you compiled from source
[19:13] <osn12> thanks nacc
[19:13] <Hemant> so what should i do now
[19:13] <ioria> Hemant, you don't remember that ?
[19:13] <That1guy> Thank you! I'm sure I will have many.
[19:13] <Hemant> most probably from source
[19:14] <Hemant> i had installed many versions of python 2 months ago.
[19:14] <Hemant> i have got 2.6, 2.7 and 3.6
[19:17] <ioria> Hemant,  look in the Makefile if there is a unistall  flag
[19:19] <Hemant> where is the makefile
[19:19] <ioria> /usr/local/lib/python3.6/config-3.6m-x86_64-linux-gnu/Makefile
[19:20] <ioria> Hemant,  or there you downloaded the tar ball
[19:20] <fiberbaby> maybe Ubuntu should switch to a rolling release?
[19:20] <ioria> *where
[19:20] <nacc> !ot | fiberbaby
[19:22] <Hemant> i downlaoded python from here https://www.python.org/downloads/
[19:22] <Hemant> cant find any uninstall flag in the makefile
[19:23] <Hemant> here is my makefile
[19:23] <Hemant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24369391/
[19:24] <fiberbaby> forcing users to register to enter #ubuntu-offtopic is counterproductive :/
[19:26] <k1l> fiberbaby: please raise your concern in #ubuntu-ops and keep this channel here for technical support only. thanks
[19:29] <Hemant> ok i think pip got magically installed
[19:29] <Hemant> $ pip install --upgrade pip Collecting pip   Downloading pip-9.0.1-py2.py3-none-any.whl (1.3MB)     100% |████████████████████████████████| 1.3MB 853kB/s  Installing collected packages: pip Successfully installed pip-9.0.1
[19:31] <Hemant> ok solved it thanks a lot
[19:34] <marvin2> is there a GUI scp client that ships with ubuntu?
[19:34] <Hemant> i think reinstalling python helped
[19:34] <Random832> marvin2, "ships with" is kind of a fuzzy phrase
[19:35] <k1l> marvin2: nautilus can handle sftp connections
[19:35] <Random832> marvin2, try filezilla
[19:35] <gotwig> can you pls help me how to direclty connect my ubuntu pc with my ps3 via ethernet without router?
[19:36] <marvin2> k1l sftp and scp are compatible?
[19:37] <marvin2> I am getting "Unhandled error message: Connection failed"
[19:37] <k1l> marvin2: the openssh server offers sftp connection, too
[19:38] <marvin2> server runs on a device with limited resources, so I would rather install something on the client side than on the server side
[19:39] <nacc> marvin2: um, well, scp is mediated by the ssh server, so is sftp, afaict
[19:39] <nacc> marvin2: can you ssh from client to server?
[19:39] <marvin2> I can't connect though. I can connect with scp on the command line
[19:39] <marvin2> yes
[19:40] <gotwig> how can I share my internet connection via my notebook with my ps3?
[19:40] <pavlos> marvin2: found this, not sure if current ... https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/secpanel/
[19:40] <nacc> marvin2: 'can't connect' with which command? pastebin logs, etc
[19:40] <genii> !ics | gotwig
[19:41] <marvin2> nacc I tried to connect through "Connect to server" option in nautilus, and got "Unhandled error message: Connection failed"
[19:41] <nacc> marvin2: ah ok
[19:42] <gotwig> genii: that worked and the ps3 can obtain an ip, but the network connection is failing because of DNS issue?
[19:42] <ioria> marvin2,    sftp://user@server_ip/directory
[19:44] <marvin2> tried this: "sftp://root@vusolo4k/", same error. tried to type ip directly as well, same thing
[19:44] <k1l> marvin2: what OS os the server?
[19:45] <k1l> *is
[19:45] <k1l> marvin2: and is it using another ssh port?
[19:45] <marvin2> it is a satellite receiver running linux
[19:45] <k1l> ah ok. so you dont know if the server supports sftp
[19:46] <nacc> marvin2: try with `sftp root@vusolo4k` on the commandline -- rather than nautilus
[19:46] <marvin2> "sh: /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server: not found"
[19:47] <nacc> marvin2: right no sftp server on the other end then, i think
[19:47] <marvin2> it looks like it
[19:47] <nacc> marvin2: on the server install `openssh-sftp-server`
[19:48] <marvin2> failing that, what GUI scp client is usually recommended?
[19:48] <nacc> marvin2: i think nautilus can talk sshfs too
[19:48] <nacc> since you do have a working ssh configuration
[19:54] <Crypto_> trivia qustion : A speech coding standard that performs speech compression, and a successor format of MP3. , any answers?
[19:57] <Ancer> flac
[19:57] <Eightynine> Is that normal that I have Gnome on Wayland in login screen options?
[19:57] <nacc> !ot | Crypto_
[19:58] <k1l> Eightynine: yes
[19:59] <Eightynine> I thought I did something wrong. I have flickering on desktop and in browser how can I troubleshoot my system?
[20:03] <gotwig> genii: i have now a connection, but i have issues with the dns server , so i cant use the connection
[20:03] <fadavi> hello there. my laptop screen flashs many times during boot. i mean screen bcomes black and again returns to console mode and again... how can i prevent this? i wanna boot my laptop without any splash...
[20:04] <marvin2> why does it take 10 seconds to resolve host of the local device, while, say, www.google.com resolves instantly?
[20:04] <genii> gotwig: Do you get internet OK on the Ubuntu machine? Or is the DNS issue originating at your ISP?
[20:04] <gotwig> genii: i just want a dns conneciton on my ps3 to my ubuntu machine
[20:04] <gotwig> this has nothing to do with isp
[20:05] <genii> That doesn't answer the question I asked
[20:05] <marvin2> when I ping it I get this (it may ne related to 10 seconds it takes to resolve the host). "vusolo4k.domain_not_set.invalid (192.168.1.70):"
[20:06] <Bashing-om> fadavi: Edit /etc/default/grub line "
[20:06] <silicatewielder_> Hi
[20:06] <silicatewielder_> Could someone help me compile a libray from source? It's called Corona and this is the output I'm getting when I run make: https://pastebin.com/hpzPzmK9
[20:06] <gotwig> genii: I dont even want to share my internet connection.
[20:06] <Bashing-om> fadavi: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" - taking out quiet splash .
[20:06] <gotwig> genii: the ps3 is running a server, i want to access this server by connecting the ps3 and ubuntu together into one network
[20:07] <gotwig> directly over ethernet
[20:07] <silicatewielder_> I believe it should be possible to get a list of all devices on your network via the terminal
[20:08] <silicatewielder_> Although I don't know the command to do so
[20:08] <azizLIGHT> how come sometimes when i log in to ubuntu, my shorcuts dont work: ctrl+alt+t
[20:08] <azizLIGHT> and my volume doesnt work
[20:08] <azizLIGHT> volume buttons on keyboard dont do anything
[20:08] <azizLIGHT> same with media keys
[20:08] <Bashing-om> fadavi: After the edit remember to ' sudo update-grub ' to propgate the change .
[20:10] <azizLIGHT> logging out and logging back in usually fixes it
[20:10] <azizLIGHT> but why does it happen
[20:10] <pavlos> silicatewielder_: you can use 'nmap' to look for all hosts in your local network (192.168.1.*
[20:10] <aotaointbin> can you? i thought nmap was a port scanner, not a host scanner :P
[20:10] <genii> gotwig: So then plug them directly into each other, put dnsmasq on the Ubuntu machine, configure it to give the PS3 a number on the same LAN segment the ubuntu box is on, which will be statically assigned. You then don't need any kind of DNS server, just use their respective IPs
[20:11] <gotwig> genii: after I installled dnsmasq i got directly an error in starting in
[20:11] <gotwig> dnsmasq
[20:11] <gotwig> i dont know how to configure it properly
[20:11] <silicatewielder_> Ah yes, I forgot about nMap
[20:12] <genii> gotwig: I currently don't have enough free time to give you a step-by-step on this
[20:12] <gotwig> ok :x too bad
[20:13] <hhee> guys, which software can i use for network scheme creating?
[20:13] <hhee> just visual side of it
[20:13] <hhee> without any monitoring
[20:14] <hhee> just scheme editor
[20:14] <pavlos> aotaointbin: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 does host discovery
[20:14] <hhee> like diagram
[20:17] <Aundre> LENOVO-PC1: me deh ya man
[20:19] <Guest55363> I have a Question regarding BRLTTY: Can i use BRLTTY after the Ubuntu Installation with my Braille Display?
[20:30] <Eightynine> What is the latest Gnome version for 16.04.2?
[20:30] <marvin2> should I be putting my executables in /usr/bin or some other place?
[20:31] <k1l> !info gnome-shell xenial
[20:31] <k1l> Eightynine: 3.18 it is
[20:31] <nacc> marvin2: your own executables should go in /usr/local/bin if multiple users should have access or ~/bin and add ~/bin to your PATH
[20:32] <nacc> marvin2: imo
[20:32] <marvin2> weird that I don't have /usr/local ?
[20:32] <nacc> marvin2: you have no /usr/local at all?
[20:33] <marvin2> my bad, I was sshing into some other machine =)
[20:37] <andai> I'm running ubuntu on a vps, it's using openvz so there's no fuse support. I'm trying to set up a little VNC setup. Is there any way to tell apt to ignore fuse errors and install things anyway
[20:37] <andai> because right now my workaround is to apt-get download everything i need and install it manually
[20:38] <andai> for instance xfce install failed due to fuse error, but i installed manually and everything (that i need) works fine
[20:41] <AEL-H> Does anyone know why I might be getting SSL cert errors in a screen session as soon as I close the SSH session?
[20:42] <AEL-H> during the SSH session there are no SSL cert errors, it is as soon as SSH is closed
[20:42] <afox> Guest55363: I don't have the answer to your question but you've opened my eyes to something I had never considered before. I just watched a few videos and it's amazing and awesome that you can connect a braille display to a computer. I didn't know that was possible.
[20:42] <AEL-H> afox: pardon the pun?
[20:42] <craigbass76> what's the openjdk version of oracle's jcontrol ? trying to run a web app with java and it's not liking the self signed certificate. I don't see anything looking like jcontrol where openjdk has all it's other executables though
[20:42] <afox> oops :\
[20:43] <AEL-H> lol
[20:45] <craigbass76> :P  itweb-settings
[20:45] <Guest55363> I want to dualboot Windows 10 Creators Update and Ubuntu. How can i do that?
[20:45] <craigbass76> Guest55363: Unless things have changed (I haven't dual booted since before dapper) you've got ot have windows installed first, then ubuntu
[20:46] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Guest55363
[20:48] <andai> in case future people have the same problem as me: to install a package without a specific dependency, put a minus after the package to exclude! "apt-get install vlc fuse-"
[20:50] <nacc> andai: hat version of ubuntu?
[20:50] <nacc> andai: *what
[20:51] <fancyspacepants> hey can anyone recommend a good motion-tracking software? Say like if I wanted to drop a white ball on a black background in front of a webcam, and then have my machine model the path.
[20:51] <Eightynine> Thank you. And what about my question about flickering? Seems like it disappeared but I want to be shure.
[20:52] <nacc> fancyspacepants: you might want to ask in a more appropriate channel, e.g. ##linux or so
[20:52] <nacc> !alis | fancyspacepants: also
[20:53] <Eightynine> Yes, there is flickering when using browser (I'm using Chromium).
[20:55]  * Bl4ckC0r3 I`m back
[20:58] <andai> nacc: no idea, how do i check
[20:58] <andai> nacc: my issue is about apt, so that would work on debian too
[21:03] <nacc> andai: lsb_release -a
[21:04] <nacc> andai: because i don't think vlc depends on fuse
[21:05] <andai> nacc: This is embarrassing. Turns out I'm on Debian!
[21:07] <nacc> andai: i don't think vlc depends on fuse in debian either
[21:07] <andai> nacc: it may have been dpkg complaining about fuse being half-installed from when i was installing xfce
[21:07] <nacc> andai: and i've not seen that syntax you pasted above before -- and it's not documented in themanpage either. And it won't let you avoid dependencies afaict. Maybe it would skip recommends, but if it's a dependency, then it won't install the package still
[21:07] <nacc> andai: yes, that seems likely
[21:09] <andai> nacc: so i'm on expensive mobile internet but i like listening to the radio. What I'm trying to do is setup VLC to stream only the audio of a live music channel i like to save bw/money
[21:09] <andai> * a very specific radio :)
[21:15] <Guest55363> I am blind and want to use the Chrome Browser with the Orca Screenreader.
[21:16] <tomreyn> hi Guest55363: i do not have any experience with it. maybe someone else here has. but what is you question, if any?
[21:17] <Guest55363> Does Chrome work with the Orca Screenreader?
[21:18] <tomreyn> hmm, i would not know. is it difficult to just give it a try?
[21:19] <fancyspacepants> I want to run CPU only under Ubuntu, to run bash scripts. Is there an easy way to do this from the existing ubuntu install?
[21:19] <tomreyn> fancyspacepants: CPU, as in central processing unit?
[21:19] <nacc> fancyspacepants: that doesn't make any sense. you want only your CPU to be running?
[21:20] <tomreyn> !info cpu
[21:20] <tomreyn> maybe this, but it still dont make sense to me
[21:20] <Guest55363> I have tried Chrome with the Orca Screenreader and it is difficult to use.
[21:21] <k1l> fancyspacepants: you mean CLI only?
[21:21] <fancyspacepants> nacc: to reduce power consumption
[21:21] <fancyspacepants> k1l: that's right.
[21:21] <tomreyn> Guest55363: maybe it works better with a different web browser then? do orca folks suggest which wbe browser to use?
[21:21] <k1l> fancyspacepants: what ubuntu release?
[21:22] <fancyspacepants> 16.04
[21:23] <Guest55363> Firefox is fully accessible with the Orca Screenreader.
[21:23] <fancyspacepants> k1l: 16.04
[21:23] <k1l> fancyspacepants: ok, you need to set to boot to the multi-user.target target. that will make you boot into the CLI like its a server install
[21:24] <k1l> fancyspacepants: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[21:24] <fancyspacepants> ok. How do I return to this ubuntu mode when I'm done using that?
[21:25] <k1l> set the default to graphical.target again. so it will boot to the login screen
[21:26] <fancyspacepants> thanks :)
[21:29] <c0mrade> Hello
[21:29] <c0mrade> How to know which ubuntu version I am on.
[21:29] <c0mrade> An error occurred in the underlying SSH library that Vagrant uses.
[21:29] <c0mrade> The error message is shown below. In many cases, errors from this
[21:29] <c0mrade> library are caused by ssh-agent issues. Try disabling your SSH
[21:29] <c0mrade> agent or removing some keys and try again.
[21:29] <k1l> c0mrade: "lsb_release -sd"
[21:29] <nacc> c0mrade: `lsb_release -a`
[21:30] <c0mrade> Oops sorry by mistake.
[21:30] <tomreyn> Guest55363: There is ChromeVox for Chromium and Chrome apparently.
[21:30] <Bl4ckC0r3> when will be release ubuntu 17.04?
[21:30] <k1l> Bl4ckC0r3: on 13th april. europe afternoon
[21:30] <Bl4ckC0r3> thank you
[21:30] <c0mrade> How to know if i386 |  AMD64?
[21:30] <k1l> c0mrade: uname -a will tell
[21:31] <c0mrade> Linux ip-172-31-36-211 4.4.0-72-generic #93-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 31 14:07:41 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:31] <c0mrade> Which means?
[21:31] <k1l> c0mrade: that is 64bit
[21:31] <c0mrade> So AMD64 right?
[21:31] <tomreyn> x86_64 -> amd64 capable
[21:31] <c0mrade> All right.
[21:33] <Guest55363> After the Ubuntu installation alongside Windows 10 I try to start Windows but Ubuntu is booting instead. How can i fix this Problem as a blind User?
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Guest55363: Win10 is a UEFI install, did you boot the ubuntu installer in UEFI mode also so the boot code is compatible with Windows ?
[21:37] <Guest55363> My Windows 10 is installed in BIOS Legacy Mode.
[21:39] <Guest55363> But my Laptop Firmware has started the Ubuntu Installer in UEFI Mode.
[21:39] <earlybird> Upgrading from precise->trusty, apt-get dist-upgrade hangs on the preconfiguration step "keyboard-config,14963 /tmp/keyboard-configuration.config.148341 configure 1.70ubuntu5" indefinitely, with 0% activity in that grep command. Any ideas?
[21:39] <k1l> earlybird: ubuntu doesnt do the upgrades with apt
[21:42] <Bashing-om> Guest55363: Both installed to the same hard drive ?? . then ya need to re-install one or the other . the 2 boot codes are not compatible .
[21:45] <Guest55363> How can I set the Language on Startup of the Ubuntu Live System as a blind User?
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Guest55363: I do not know about brail . But the language screen L as soon as the firmware screen clears, depress any key -> language screen .
[21:53] <earlybird> k1l: it's not an option as a) we deal with sensitive LXC containers, b) do-release-upgrade is not permitted because it's much more complex, c) it worked before and is possible -> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html and d) the underlying reason is that on the server in question, /proc/bus/input/devices is empty so the grep command hangs there indefinitely -> the root cause is
[21:53] <earlybird> entirely different. THanks though
[21:54] <Guest55363> I have another Problem: I have one USB-Flash Drive that is write-protected. I can't format it under Windows and I haven't set the Write-Protection. Can i format my USB-Drive under Linux? I have also tried that but it don't work.
[21:56] <Bashing-om> Guest55363: How handy are you with the terminal ? You can 'dd' the .iso to the USB drive in ubuntu .
[21:56] <afl456> Hey does anyone know what time and timezone they drop 17.04 today?
[21:57] <k1l> afl456: afternoon europe time, that is what it was the last times
[21:57] <Guest55363> I have also tried the Terminal and dd but it takes a long Time.
[21:58] <afl456> k1l: Sweet cheers. I wish they would drop at midnight so we all knew exactly when to expect it.. so annoying.. I was hoping to waste most of today futzing about with an upgrade..
[21:59] <Guest55363> And dd can't format my USB-Drive.
[21:59] <YankDownUnder> It will be interesting (as it usually is) to watch the sources get pounded in serving out the "latest and greatest"
[22:00] <afl456> can I force upgrade to 17.04 already despite the release?
[22:00] <Bashing-om> Guest55363: ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' depending on how fast the processor is, but, should not take long .
[22:00] <k1l> afl456: yes, use the developer switch
[22:01] <afl456> k1l: true
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> afl456: There's always this thing called "wait and be patient" - not that many ever follow that path... :)
[22:02] <afl456> YankDownUnder: Life is short
[22:02] <Guest55363> I haven't tried to write an ISO image to my USB-Drive. But i have to tried to wipe it with Zero and random Data.
[22:04] <YankDownUnder> afl456: Yersh...HOWEVER, there is much to be said from observing other people's mistakes/failures/issues and learning the proper steps to resolution - hmm...like spending some time watching all the issues that crop up around the upgrade - and the packages...seeing what exactly breaks so one know exactly what to fix...and to be prepared...
[22:05] <afl456> YankDownUnder:  play it safe
[22:06] <YankDownUnder> afl456: Like climbing...
[22:07] <YankDownUnder> afl456: Besides that - if the machine is a "production" machine - or a machine you're dependent on, why take the risk blindly? Just sayin...
[22:10] <superdial360> hello
[22:10] <superdial360> what is this
[22:10] <superdial360> I have never used this before
[22:10] <superdial360> seems quite interesting though
[22:11] <Dan-NS27x> never used irc?
[22:11] <k1l> superdial360: this is the irc channel for technical ubuntu support.
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> superdial360: "Internet Relay Chat" - a "chat" and conversation system used for 20+ years.
[22:11] <superdial360> nope
[22:11] <afl456> superdial360: that is a keyboard, very handy
[22:12] <superdial360> XD
[22:12] <Dan-NS27x> haha
[22:12] <superdial360> no HexChat
[22:13] <nacc> superdial360: HexChat is an IRC client
[22:13] <superdial360> ok
[22:21] <AngryNork> how does the file system work on ubuntu, just mounted a flash drive asigned to sdc1
[22:21] <AngryNork> need to install a package from that
[22:22] <andai> is xubuntu supported in this channel
[22:23] <nacc> andai: yes
[22:23] <andai> neat!
[22:23] <Dan-NS27x> andai, could try #xubuntu also
[22:23] <andai> so when i do sudo apt-get install.. it tells me it's locked... but nothing is running (just booted up)
[22:23] <andai> so i thought let's try the software center
[22:23] <andai> and then it tells me i need to register with ubuntu one to install a package? seriously?
[22:24] <nacc> andai: use gnome software not ubuntu software center
[22:24] <nacc> andai: and it only requires registration for paid for apps, iirc
[22:24] <andai> trying to get vlc
[22:24] <kostkon> andai, sudo dpkg -i package.deb   but you should copy the file to your home folder first
[22:25] <nacc> andai: are you sure you're not accidentally installing hte snap?
[22:25] <nacc> andai: in any case, see if something is running in the background
[22:25] <andai> nacc: i thought that's what the kids are calling .debs these days
[22:25] <andai> what is a snap
[22:25] <xangua> andai: showing the actual terminal output may be helpful
[22:25] <nacc> andai: just because you're not running something actively doesn't mean a background process isn't updating the archives etc
[22:26] <nacc> andai: another packaging format
[22:26] <AngryNork> need to install a .deb file on ubuntu server, usb flash drive that it's on is mounted
[22:26] <gredjok> where can I ask if x264 is an automated* format,meaning the quality its already preset,so a 2 hour file is going to be always bigger than a 1 hour file?
[22:28] <andai> oh looks like a system update was running in bg
[22:29] <nacc> andai: right
[22:30] <andai> ahh.. at last! I have confirmed my hypothesis
[22:30] <Dan-NS27x> is there a reason 16.04 doesn't use wlan0 in network device names?
[22:30] <andai> VLC latest (2.2.4 "weatherwax") can play YouTube streams on macOS and Ubuntu.. but not Debian
[22:30] <andai> I was wondering whether to switch from Debian to Ubuntu. The answer is "yes"
[22:31] <nacc> Dan-NS27x: it uses a name based upon predictable interface naming in systemd
[22:31] <nacc> Dan-NS27x: you can disable it with net.ifnames=0 passed to your kernel at boot time, iirc
[22:32] <Dan-NS27x> ok. wondered why my wlan0 is now called wlxp878f6fbe33
[22:32] <Dan-NS27x> I'd have to look into that net.ifnames thing
[22:32] <Dan-NS27x> did a fresh install of 16.04 server but setting up networks to connect at boot up.
[22:33] <YankDownUnder> andai: "Weatherwax" - a Sir PTerry Pratchett character...
[22:33] <Dan-NS27x> set up to connect to my network isn't quite working out so far
[22:34] <Bashing-om> AngryNork: Terminal command 'mount' to get the path of the USB drive . ls -al ' /media/<username>/<device_ID>/<file> ; to get the full path .. then ' sudo dpkg -i <full_path> .
[22:35] <azizLIGHT> this guide doesnt mention anything about partition table: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[22:36] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: It does . that guide uses fdisk to make up the partitions .
[22:39] <jamie_1_> hey im having an interesting graphical issue, i have the cinnamon desktop installed on my computer and when i click and drag on desktop it creates the squares and then they dont go away, the desktop background is not displaying, and if i click and drag to move an icon it moves it but the image does not disappear
[22:40] <SpaceAce> having some real trouble with my htpc and intel integrated drivers. i'm trying to reinstall the driver now, but i'm getting unmet dependencies on va-driver-all :(
[22:41] <jamie_1_> and my drivers (addional drivers) its shows Unknow:unknow (device not in use)
[22:41] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: Be aware if the drive is to be GPT partitioning - ya need 'gdisk' for that .
[22:42] <superdial360_> using netcat on my ubuntu 17 beta I do not get the -e or the -c function. Is there any way of installing a different version so that I have all the functions
[22:43] <superdial360_> i have 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:43] <helpless> how to fix acpi errors?
[22:43] <superdial360_> and then reinstalled it but still the same issue
[22:43] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: any guide you can recommend for the whole process please?
[22:43] <superdial360_> ?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: The one you referenced is my goto :)
[22:44] <azizLIGHT> Bashing-om: i want to do gpt partition table, ext4 filesystem for entire disk, and auto mount on boot (this is not a drive for /)
[22:44] <jamie_1_> im thinking it might bea  graphics issue
[22:44] <azizLIGHT> it doesnt have anything about gpt on it though
[22:44] <azizLIGHT> or mbr
[22:45] <jamie_1_> one sec... brb, swaping to a working de
[22:46] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: In the guid substutite gdik for where they point to fdisk ... and terminal command ' man gdisk ' for gdisk usage .
[22:47] <jamie_1> okay, looking into the grapics drivers, also anyone know why plasma still shows up on the list for de even after removing kde and purging plasma-desktop
[22:47] <jdlizard>  /server -m irc.icq-chat.com:6667
[22:51] <Nobabs27> yo why, when I am in a terminal and spam the trackpoint buttons + the keyboard it makes the screen go blank??
[22:52] <PipeItToDevNull> Nobabs27, that is so broad, I would assume you are hitting a key combo
[22:53] <Nobabs27> lol yeah it is broad and ok
[22:53] <Nobabs27> im about to see if I can find anything in the syslog
[22:54] <Cmaj6> Need help: Running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Downloaded freeplane (since freemind is removed from the packages and also manual install doesn't work; it won't start), extracted etc. Upon starting the program in bash, i see: "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.reflect.InaccessibleObjectException: Unable to make field private static java.lang.String sun.aw.X11.XToolkit.awtAppClassName ..[more printStacktrace message].....". I have Oracle java 8 and
[22:54] <Cmaj6> 9 installed; Oracle java 9 currently set to default (by sudo update-alternatives --config java)
[22:54] <Cmaj6> Basically: the program doesn't start, no splash, nothing...except for that message in terminal
[22:54] <Cmaj6> the same goes for the freemind program (similar message, and no splash, nothing)
[22:55] <nacc> Cmaj6: i don't believe oracle java is an ubuntu pacakge
[22:55] <Cmaj6> nacc, it isn't
[22:55] <nacc> Cmaj6: so ask oracle for support with their jvm?
[22:55] <nacc> Cmaj6: also, java9 is not yet released afaik
[22:56] <azizLIGHT> how to get uuid so i can put it into /etc/fstab?
[22:56] <nacc> azizLIGHT: blkid, ithink
[22:56] <afox> ugh i hate working in java apps at my current company in emacs. it completely clashes with my 2 space tab way of life.
[22:58] <azizLIGHT> how to test if fstab is ok
[22:59] <Bashing-om> azizLIGHT: ' mount -a ' a return to prompt is good .
[22:59] <Cmaj6> nacc well it seems the oracle channel is kind of dead../:(
[23:00] <afox> they've all switched to python :)
[23:00] <Nobabs27> @PipeItToDevNull part of the screen flashes black when I press trackpoint click + keyboard, and if I keep doing it then it goes totally off.  Using Lenovo t410 if that matters.
[23:01] <PipeItToDevNull> Nobabs27, I have no clue what a trackpoint even is
[23:01] <Nobabs27> Tried looking at syslog, didn't see any interesting there...is there a particular log I should look at?
[23:02] <Nobabs27> @PipeItToDevNull http://i.imgur.com/Ss1mi.jpg
[23:02] <PipeItToDevNull> Fancy thinkpad, still no clue
[23:02] <kunwon1> trackpoint is the red pointing device in the middle of the keyboard
[23:03] <Nobabs27> what kunwon1 said
[23:03] <afox> yeah the 'eraser head'
[23:03] <Nobabs27> except my issue happens when I press the "click" buttons, not the red dot itself
[23:03] <kunwon1> it's pressure sensitive, and high friction. you put your finger on it and push right, pointer moves to the right
[23:04] <Nobabs27> and they have the extra buttons for using that instead of the pad
[23:05] <Nobabs27> literally I can just spam Middle Button+Space+c a few times in the terminal and get the weird blank screen
[23:05] <Nobabs27> then it goes off
[23:06] <Nobabs27> I'm using GNOME Terminal on i3 if that changes anything
[23:08] <azizLIGHT> how come on one of my drives lost+found/ dir is owned by my user and i can access it, and on another drive lost+found/ dir is owned by root and i cannot access it. which is the preferred and why?
[23:08] <jamie_1> hey, where are the config files held for desktop sessions?
[23:08] <azizLIGHT> and what about .Trash-1000/ should that be owned by me or root, what should be the permissions
[23:09] <user__> 15.10
[23:09] <jamie_1> and if i remove those and reboot will they be regenerated
[23:09] <user__> 15.10
[23:09] <azizLIGHT> 14.04
[23:15] <Cmaj6> nacc: just a headsup: the problem is fixed.....solution was not using java 9, which had to be done by setting up the $JAVA_HOME variable instead of update-alternatives command!
[23:16] <dmp> ls -lrt
[23:18] <Nobabs27> this is what happens:  https://youtu.be/u6agWyVFi0g
[23:19] <Ben64> Nobabs27: stop doing that
[23:20] <Nobabs27> ?
[23:20] <Nobabs27> stop doing what
[23:20] <Nobabs27> @Ben64
[23:20] <Ben64> smashing keys and buttons randomly
[23:21] <Nobabs27> im doing that because im not sure what triggers it, but it will happen when I dont want it to
[23:21] <Nobabs27> and im pretty sure random screen blanking should not be happening
[23:21] <PipeItToDevNull> Nobabs27, facerolling a keyboard can do random stuff like that
[23:21] <Nobabs27> the screen turning blank?
[23:21] <Nobabs27> and then the computer going off?
[23:22] <azizLIGHT> i gotta see the video now
[23:22] <PipeItToDevNull> Could be sending the SYS key combo
[23:22] <Nobabs27> whats that key combo?
[23:22] <azizLIGHT> lol what u doin Nobabs27
[23:23] <azizLIGHT> practicing ur dj scratches
[23:23] <Nobabs27> trying to demonstrate the issue xD
[23:23] <Nobabs27> at the end it literally goes blank
[23:23] <Nobabs27> and its happened before, without the button mashing
[23:24] <Ben64> sounds like a hardware issue
[23:24] <Nobabs27> to clarify: my issue is not the terminal getting spammed, it's the screen going blank
[23:24] <Nobabs27> after it goes blank it shuts off
[23:25] <Nobabs27> @Ben64 hardware issue you say?  Motherboard or Keyboard?
[23:26] <Ben64> Nobabs27: yes
[23:26] <Nobabs27> ...I see you like to answer questions like I do xD
[23:27] <Nobabs27> "this or this?"  "yes"
[23:27] <Nobabs27> @ben64 xD
[23:27] <afox> Ben is such a cool name
[23:28] <afox> so compact.
[23:28] <Nobabs27> ok so, any suggestion of where to go for support on this?
[23:34] <afox> this isn't much help, but it looks like your keyboard is glitching out on you. like maybe throwing a ctrl in there or something while you're typing.
[23:34] <afox> definitely looks like a hardware issue
[23:35] <Nobabs27> hmm
[23:36] <afox> does your screen go blank while you're not pressing any keys? or only while you're pressing a key / using the trackpad?
[23:37] <Nobabs27> only when keys get pressed inside the terminal
[23:37] <Nobabs27> also shorter version of the video (less button mashing):  https://youtu.be/eLkREuQdIkg
[23:39] <afox> sec. inbetween rocket league matches. sorry
[23:39] <Nobabs27> gg
[23:41] <raleigh> hi
[23:41] <Nobabs27> hi
[23:42] <raleigh> is there a way i can bind the hyper key (or some other key i assign to caps lock) to move forward/backward by word/line/etc?
[23:42] <raleigh> like with readline, but that works in other windows not just a terminal
[23:43] <evilytwisted> Hi,  hopefully someone can help me? im using  linxlite, BEFORE you go we dont support that distro.. its a derivative of debian.. a derivative of ubunto... i use synaptic, i use sudo apt-get and all of that
[23:43] <evilytwisted> all im asking is could someone helpme /show me how to get my computer to reconize my android device
[23:43] <evilytwisted> i have mtpfs installed and mtp-tools
[23:43] <evilytwisted> i would be bugging linuxlite, except they dont have an irc support channel anymore
[23:45] <mcphail> evilytwisted: you know you're in the wrong place. Sorry, but we can't know what your distro of choice has altered
[23:45] <skinux> Anyone know of a secure and free software that would allow me to access a designated part of my computer hard drive from my phone?
[23:45] <evilytwisted> its still the same distro. :/
[23:45] <mcphail> evilytwisted: no, it isn't. Please stick to the /topic in this channel
[23:46] <skinux> I'm thinking of something that would be installed on my machine and provide secure access to my phone when connected to the same LAN
[23:47] <mcphail> skinux: I was playing with kdeconnect earlier, but the default version wasn't useful. I think you need a PPA for it to work properly. It seems to offer what you need
[23:47] <nacc> evilytwisted: it's *not* the same distro. derivatives (as opposed to flavors) can change anything
[23:47] <evilytwisted> i figured debian of all people as they are the closest to "pure" would have such attitude..
[23:47] <evilytwisted> but ubuntu?
[23:47] <evilytwisted> ill show my self out
[23:49] <odine> I was wondering if anyone could point me to a guide to allow me to VNC into a ubuntu desktop unity server from my home rez in my home monitors full capapable rez of 1920x1080.. i know it can be done just donno how :(
[23:51] <Nobabs27> @odine I would recommend x2go
[23:51] <YankDownUnder> odine: Biggest secret: Having a "non standard" port opened on your router at home - and making sure that that port is forwarded to your "desktop"...the rest should be easy as.
[23:52] <odine> does x2go function with unity desktop?
[23:52] <afox> Nobabs27: definitely think its your keyboard. i'd install a keylogger and see what happens right before it goes black
[23:53] <afox> like log everything. then when it dies, stop pressing keys, power down, then check the log when it boots back up
[23:53] <Nobabs27> @afox hm, the peeps at ##ibmthinkpad think it's a software issue
[23:54] <afox> hopefully it is. but if a keylogger shows up something that you didn't press... well its probably not
[23:54] <afox> its a good way to rule it out
[23:54] <jrowe_away> hooray, death to unity!
[23:54] <Nobabs27> ok, can you recommend a keylogger?
[23:54] <afox> unfortunately i can't. i've never used on in linux
[23:55] <jrowe_away> also, condolences to any whose employment was affected
[23:56] <jrowe_away> if youre capturing for debug, google is your friend - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/129159/record-every-keystroke-and-store-in-a-file comes up really quick
[23:57] <Nobabs27> ik, I was just wondering if he had one in mind