[02:19] <Wal> What time will 17.04 be released?
[02:20] <dax> when the release team's done with their checklists
[02:21] <dax> it's usually on the other side of US bedtime, so at least 12 hours from now, but no guarantees either way
[02:25] <Wal> OK thanks
[02:25] <Wal> But rats
[02:26] <valorie> Wal: you can install the daily at this point and just upgrade tomorrow
[02:26] <valorie> there will be little to no changes overnight
[02:27] <valorie> unless there is some surprise showstopper
[02:27] <dax> yep. if you need stability, wait two weeks. if you don't need stability, now is fine
[02:27] <valorie> also you can add your input to the qa site!
[02:27] <Wal> I'm running Beta 2 now and really like it, stable etc. Will just wait a little and hopefully apt-get dist-upgrade will bring me the release
[02:28] <valorie> a few changes since beta2, but not many
[02:28] <dax> Wal: yep, if you're on Beta 2 right now, apt-get dist-upgrade will bring you up to release once it's out
[02:28] <Wal> Excellent. Thanks for the advice.
[02:30] <valorie> these days, `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` is the recommended command though
[02:30] <Wal> Roger.
[03:19] <waylundy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1571417
[03:19] <waylundy> how the fuck do you mess up an updater?
[03:19] <waylundy> this is the dumb shit that holds linux back from mainstream
[03:33] <valorie> waylundy: please use family-friendly language here
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:36] <jubo2> Will there be announcement somewhere when the final 17.04 release is out?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:57] <chencho9000> Hi there
[10:58] <chencho9000> why do I need to keep win key pushed to show the app menu?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> chcknrub:  clicking on "K" icon doesn't open it?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> oops the guy left, sorry chcknrub
[11:35] <slawomir_> hello
[13:43] <yossarianuk> hi - 17.04 has been released I see...
[13:43] <yossarianuk> one thing - on your homepage it shows 17.04 but the downloads page only has 16.10
[13:44] <yossarianuk> but if you go to the mirrors page you can see it.
[13:44] <yossarianuk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/zesty/release/
[14:00] <lordievader> yossarianuk: I get the feeling people are working on that.
[14:43] <walter__> hello
[14:43] <walter__> i have a question \
[14:43] <walter__> i use kubuntu
[14:44] <BluesKaj> ok walter__ , just ask
[14:45] <walter__> i try to start a game that works on windows i have install wine hq but then i start the programm the programm said
[14:47] <genii> !winehq
[14:48] <walter__> whre is the website there i can paste long paste
[14:48] <walter__> where
[14:48] <walter__> please send me a link
[14:48] <genii> !pastebin
[14:49] <BluesKaj> walter__:  have you asked in #winehq chat?
[14:52] <diogenes_> walter__, what is the error that you get?
[14:53] <oerheks> check winehq first, if the program will run under wine, and tips
[14:54] <walter__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24374477/
[14:58] <EvilRoey> Hello all!  Hey I made a data CD with k3b--it was a mix of .mp3s from a previous CD I had made, and new .mp3s I added yesterday.  Weird thing is--the old tracks play in my car, but the new ones don't!  I tried making another CD at the office of all that music (since my workstation could read it sucessfully), and it appears that my car's head unit still has an issue playing the new mp3s.  That CD played fine on my workstation, though..
[14:58] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hi!
[14:58] <walter__> i try to start a game that works on windows i have install wine hq but then i start the programm the programm said
[14:58] <walter__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24374477/
[14:59] <BluesKaj> hi EvilRoey
[14:59] <EvilRoey> :)
[14:59] <genii> EvilRoey: Perhaps the previous ones were converted to CDDA that could be played by any old player and the new ones remained mp3 which the car player may or may not know about
[15:00] <EvilRoey> hmm
[15:00] <EvilRoey> how could all of them fit, thne
[15:00] <EvilRoey> I filled up 660 MB iwth MP3s
[15:00] <EvilRoey> oh
[15:00] <EvilRoey> genii: I mean the old ones were .mp3 as far as I recall.
[15:00] <EvilRoey> when I run /file/ on them, for example
[15:01] <genii> In that case, likely whataver codecs were used
[15:01] <EvilRoey> oh
[15:01] <EvilRoey> OH
[15:01] <EvilRoey> genii: you're a genius
[15:01] <EvilRoey> I ran file *.mp3
[15:01] <EvilRoey> and got listings like this:
[15:02] <EvilRoey> https://pastebin.com/SWJivCGb
[15:02] <EvilRoey> genii: it says WebM
[15:02] <EvilRoey> whyyyyyyygrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[15:03] <genii> Yeah, car stereo probably doesn't know how to play WebM
[15:04] <EvilRoey> yeah.
[15:04] <EvilRoey> I ran this line to fetch the mp3:
[15:04] <BluesKaj> i don't understand using mp3 nowadays
[15:04] <EvilRoey> youtube-dl --verbose -x --audio-format mp3 -o "$TRACKNAME".mp3 "$URL"
[15:04] <EvilRoey> so I don't understand why it left it as webm.
[15:05] <diogenes_> walter__, install dx9, 10 and 11
[15:06] <walter__> ok
[15:06] <diogenes_> from winericks
[15:06] <walter__> which command line use
[15:06] <diogenes_> walter__, type in: winetricks
[15:36] <mermaidrenee> I have a laptop running vista home premium 32 bit.  I  would like to put a new OS on it to run more efficiently.  Which one would be easiest to install and work best?
[15:39] <mermaidrenee> 3 g ram 1.3 gh intel processor
[15:41] <mermaidrenee> -mermaidreneee has joined
[15:43] <mermaidrenee> thanks
[15:45] <mermaidrenee> I am beginner/  vista home premium laptop 32 bit 2 Gb intel processor...which OS do you recommend ?  tried ubuntu on other pc's but not working on this one
[15:45] <mermaidrenee> want to try kubuntu  any version that I can burn and plug and play
[15:46] <clivejo> mermaidrenee: maybe try the newest one, released today?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> mermaidrenee: what architecture is your cpu, 32 or 64 bit ?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> mermaidrenee:  on windows start choose computer>properties
[15:56] <yossarianuk> mermaidrenee: if you are trying kubuntu go with 17.04 - Plasma 5.9 is ace
[16:38] <schaab> hi
[16:39] <schaab> i have a problem
[16:41] <BluesKaj> schaab:  tell us your issue
[16:47] <schaab> i need help for wine
[16:48] <BluesKaj> !wine | schaab
[17:03] <EvilRoey> hIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
[17:03] <EvilRoey> Anyone here know Bash scripting?
[17:03] <EvilRoey> (simple scripting)
[17:03] <EvilRoey> I have this script: https://pastebin.com/05GZpH8c  and I don't understand why the test case seems to be 0 for all invocations of grep.  Am I missing something?  Does $# here refer to the output of "file" command and not the "grep" command?
[17:11] <franck_b> I think you have to replace $# by $?
[18:09] <kubulo> hello, when I do apt-get update, apt-get ugrade in kubuntu, I get the following error when updating the kernel: https://pastebin.com/zzJnmPUV
[18:09] <kubulo> Can someone help me with this?
[18:11] <genii> Did you type it in with the comma between? Or something more like && or &
[18:11] <clivejo> have you some kind of PPA or 3rd repo installed?
[18:13] <kubulo> No I don't have any special repos/ppas
[18:14] <kubulo> No, I did "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" as two different commands
[18:14] <franck_b> divnstg
[18:17] <user|75109> hi, i'm gabo
[18:18] <user|75109> what app its recommend to use for create a ub boot with the image from download secction?
[18:18] <user|75109> usb boot
[18:18] <genii> dd
[18:18] <ronnoc> kubulo: I would try installing and running this program (https://utappia.org/2016/03/28/ucaresystem-core-v3-0-released-and-available-in-ppa/) which essentially is a script to sort your system out. The script can be found here, if you're interested (https://github.com/cerebrux/uCareSystem/blob/master/ucaresystemcore.sh) and can be run that way as well. There's a discussion about the app on Kubuntu Forums I can link to if you're
[18:18] <ronnoc> insterested.
[18:20] <kubulo> genii, clivejo, thanks for your help. I fixed the problem by doing "sudo apt autoremove --purge". It seems that the hd limit was reached for the partition where the kernels are located
[18:21] <clivejo> glad you got it resolved
[18:25] <ronnoc> user|75109: dd works well. Lots of people use Etcher (https://etcher.io/) and there is also usb-creator-kde in the repos
[18:27] <user|75109> thanks ronnoc, on it
[18:31] <Dragnslcr> user|75109- if it's a recent .iso image, you shouldn't use anything other than dd (or dcfldd if you really want a progress indicator)
[18:34] <user|75109> Dragnslcr
[18:34] <user|75109> user|75109- if it's a recent .iso image, you shouldn't use anything other than dd (or dcfldd if you really want a progress indicator)
[18:35] <user|75109> im on win 10
[18:35] <user|75109> dragnlscr downoloading etcher
[18:36] <genii> If you have pv installed, you can do: sudo -i   ..then: dd if=isofilename | pv | dd of=/dev/sdX    where X# is the actual letter of the USB stick or drive you want to put it on
[18:36] <genii> ( for progres indicator)
[19:04] <coderphil> Trying to upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04 - everything is telling me that no updates are available... Software Center and do-release-upgrade, etc
[19:06] <coderphil> is there something else I should try to upgrade to 17.04?
[19:07] <Wal> coderphil: try 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[19:07] <coderphil> Tried it: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[19:08] <Wal> I'm downloading the iso now for a clean install. Probably for the best anyway
[19:09] <coderphil> Probably true but I'm afraid because I had a lot of trouble getting 16.10 working properly with my nVidia 1080 card
[19:22] <BluesKaj> coderphil:  update and upgrade your existing packages first , then sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:23] <coderphil> BluesKaj:  tried that...   I ended up doing do-release-upgrade -d  which seems to be working
[19:23] <coderphil> from there maybe it'll see release version?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> not -d , that the development OS
[19:24] <BluesKaj> unless your mirrors are out of date
[19:24] <dax> there is no development OS right now
[19:24] <coderphil> Can I to release version after upgrade to development?   Everything else was telling me that no update was available (do-release-update, apt-*, etc..)
[19:24] <dax> -d goes to zesty
[19:25] <BluesKaj> dax:  it may be for his repos if they haven't been brought up to date
[19:25] <dax> that's not how do-release-upgrade works
[19:25] <BluesKaj> dax zesty is released
[19:26] <dax> I'm aware.
[19:26] <dax> it's not yet in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release , so do-release-upgrade without -d will not find it
[19:26] <dax> it is however in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development , so do-release-upgrade with -d will find it
[19:27] <dax> because do-release-upgrade checks those specific files (when upgrading from non-LTS or from LTS with PROMPT=normal set) on that specific server, not mirrors
[19:30] <coderphil> dax:  ok thanks, so I'm assuming I'm OK with the do-release-upgrade -d at this point?
[19:31] <dax> coderphil: correct
[19:31] <coderphil> cool, upgrading...
[19:31] <BluesKaj> not all mirrors are upto date as I mentioned before ...seems there's some delay with some countries
[19:31] <dax> This is utterly unrelated to the mirroring system.
[19:32] <dax> do-release-upgrade does not use the mirroring system when checking which versions of Ubuntu are available.
[19:32] <BluesKaj>  yes, but most users expect not to need -d to for their repos to work
[19:32] <dax> Okay?
[19:33] <dax> Ubuntu deliberately does not offer release updates to users in the first few days of a release.
[19:33] <dax> This is how it's been for ages.
[19:33] <dax> People who want to update anyway should use -d.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> tha's BS\
[19:34] <dax> Do you disagree with how things are or are you claiming that I'm incorrect?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> i repeat,  that's BS
[19:34] <dax> Yes, your cussing is ambiguous.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> it's not debateable
[19:35] <dax> Is your assertion that 1) Ubuntu's release notification system should be different, or 2) that my understanding of how Ubuntu's release notification works is incorrect
[19:35] <BluesKaj> blah blah blah ....
[19:42] <Wal> dax: I love how accurately you're parsing BluesKaj's replies.
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Wal:  it's not worth the trouble ...
[19:43] <Wal> BluesKaj: what isn't?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> nevermind
[19:47] <Wal> I have 13 minutes left on my 17.04 torrent. Very excitiing!
[19:48] <BluesKaj> Wal:  there isn't a huge difference between 16,10 and 17.04
[19:51] <clivejo> Id beg to differ
[19:52] <clivejo> some people will find huge differences regarding multiple screen handling
[19:53] <dax> My usual experience with new KDE SC versions is that nobody in the Release Notes document is interesting, but there's always a few really awesome fixes/changes that I notice after using it for a bit and love
[19:53] <dax> s/nobody/nothing/
[19:54] <clivejo> and the stability of plasma in general
[19:55] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  I wouldn't notice multiple monitors diferences, since my pc is an HTPC connected to TV/Monitor
[20:00] <Wal> Complete! See you on the other side of 17.04.
[20:43] <Moonlighter> Well, I´m not really familiar with IRC, but I just started using KDE after years of Gnome and I don´t know why I did not switch earlier. Thanks for all the hardwork!
[20:44] <Dragnslcr> Glad to hear you're enjoying it
[20:45] <Moonlighter> KDE has come far with Plasma:)
[21:25] <wal> Hello from 17.04
[21:26] <valorie> \o/
[21:26] <valorie> hello back from 17.04
[21:36] <user|70818> hola
[21:38] <ronnoc> o/ wal
[21:38] <Anibal_AR> buenas, alguien que hable castellano?
[21:46] <mparillo> !es