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duflusil2100: Happy release day. I almost forgot...07:23
sil2100Happy release day indeed07:23
dufluLet us celebrate Ubuntu with chocolate07:24
Laneymorning07:40
seb128good morning desktopers07:41
flexiondotorgMorning seb12807:41
flexiondotorgLaney Hi07:41
dufluMoring seb128, Laney, flexiondotorg07:41
seb128Laney, hope you got some sleep? you were still talking when I closed IRC yesterday and you are already up?!07:41
flexiondotorgduflu Morning07:41
seb128hey flexiondotorg duflu07:41
flexiondotorgLaney are you in the office?07:41
seb128Laney, release issues?07:41
Laneyseb128: yeah most of the night :-)07:43
seb128good :-)07:43
Laneyno big issues I think, just that dkms one for upgrades07:43
Laneyflexiondotorg: yup07:43
dufluInteresting I used to have quite a chore minding DKMS bugs. Now it's almost nothing07:43
Laneyoh07:44
Laneyyou know dkms? ;-)07:44
dufluI haven't hacked any DKMS-related fixes for a few years. Just minding bug reports (since they're so similar and easy to deduplicate)07:44
Laneyduflu: Well... if you like, you could review my patch on bug #1681566?07:47
ubot5bug 1681566 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "nvidia-375 DKMS module not recompiled on upgrade to 17.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168156607:47
LaneyI basically stabbed in the dark07:47
dufluLikely I would also be stabbing07:47
Laney'k07:47
davmor2morning all08:05
seb128hey davmor2, how are you? still having fun with the isos?08:06
davmor2seb128: desktop done if they didn't respin things are looking much better now :)  Mini.iso to go08:07
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jbichagood morning12:03
darkxsthey jbicha12:38
darkxsteverything good for release?12:42
darkxstI've been stuck in api world the last 2 days12:43
jbichayes12:45
davmor2Yay congrats all13:15
TheGamehey, in need of some fun, (on the look for something to search user details on Google facebook etc.. (for shocking some people) :D13:34
lan3yi'm stuck on this stupid nick15:11
lan3yarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh15:11
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LaneyWHY15:11
Laneyoh15:11
Laneyyay15:12
davmor2could be worse, could be stuck with mine nick15:12
* Laney snuggles davmor2 15:12
Laneywe love you despite your nick15:12
Laney(and face)15:12
davmor2Laney: man I was gonna say it could be worse, you could be stuck with your face but I thought no that's not nice and then you go and pull on me, I should stuck with my original option15:14
davmor2:D15:14
* davmor2 pats Laney gently on the head and sends him to the pub15:14
Laneyglug glug glug15:18
Laneyoh now things look much nicer15:18
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tkamppeterseb128, hi15:34
seb128hey tkamppeter15:34
tkamppeterseb128, I know that Ubuntu has switched over to GNOME as standard desktop15:35
seb128tkamppeter, that's not done yet :-)15:35
seb128it has been decided to do that though yes15:35
tkamppeterNow I am working in the GSoC on improving print dialogs.15:35
tkamppeterOne thing are common backends (interfaces to print technologies like CUPS, IPP, and Google Cloud Print)  for both GTK and Qt dialogs.15:36
tkamppeterThere will be a new GTK print dialog in around two years from now and for Qt we will take the current Unity 8 print dialog code in the GSoC and two students will makesomething Qt-upstreamable out of that.15:37
tkamppeterTo get the benefits of these changes to the users more quickly, especially to get Google Cloud Print support into the print dialog as soon as possible (to not be behind Fedora and to not need their awkward workaround) we came to the idea also to patch the current GTK print dialog to use our backends.15:39
tkamppeterseb128, ^^15:39
seb128tkamppeter, I'm reading what you write, do you have a specific question?15:40
tkamppeterseb128, so a student will do that patch and we will immediately have support for CUPS queues, IPP network printers, and Google Cloud Print printers.15:40
tkamppeterseb128, I want to ask you whether Ubuntu would accept such a patch.15:41
seb128tkamppeter, it's difficult to say without seeing the patch and resulting UI, we can probably backport it to our package if it's approved upstream and in trunk but not yet in our version, not sure we would distro patch something not reviewed upstream though15:42
tkamppeterAnother benefit of such backends is that if a new print technology (like something Google-Cloud-Print-equivalent from another provider than Google) appears that we get it quickly available to the users.15:43
tkamppeterSo if the new print dialog would be in a good shape in the upstream repo, you would backport it, but if the current dialog gets a non-upstream patch you would not take it?15:45
seb128that sounds likely15:47
seb128we would need to see the patch and resulting UI as said15:47
seb128but it makes sense to get upstream reviews first15:47
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tkamppeterseb128, UI will not change, the patch will be done completely on the backend level.15:49
seb128so would the patch add any user visible feature/difference today?15:49
tkamppeterThe visual difference is that if the logged in user has Google Cloud Print printers that the dialog lists them.15:50
tkamppeterseb128, do you know Felipe Borges? He is the mentor for the student.15:51
seb128no15:51
seb128google cloud print works nowadays in GNOME no?15:52
seb128with gnome-online-account15:52
tkamppeterI only know that Fedora uses an ugly utility which turns Google Cloud Print printers into CUPS queues, and this is the wrong approach, as CUPS queues are system-wide and so everyone can print on the queues of the user logged in.15:53
tkamppeterThe print dialog backend idea is to let the print dialog backend directly use Google APIs and not involve CUPS.15:54
jbichatkamppeter: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.12/more-core-ux.html15:54
jbichabut I don't have any printers so I don't know what it looks like15:55
tkamppeterPerhaps I got mislead by this Fedora approach. I will tell Felipe and Aveek that perhaps the step of backporting the backend support into the current dialog is not needed.15:58
jbichatkamppeter: off-topic, but have you tried zesty's gnome-control-center Printers panel yet? https://blogs.gnome.org/felipeborges/new-printers-panel/15:58
seb128tkamppeter, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72337016:04
ubot5Gnome bug 723370 in general "Request cloudprint scope for google provider" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]16:04
jbichathe comments on the blog post point out that it's unclear what the ink level color bar means16:04
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tkamppeterseb128, jbicha, thanks for the info.16:27
tkamppeterseb128, do you know how well Qt and KDE are going in the general community? Is KDE still actively developed? Is Kubuntu still actively developed? Are there other distros using KDE as default desktop?16:28
seb128tkamppeter, I don't really know how they are doing but it's still an active project yes16:29
tkamppeterOK, thanks.16:29
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jbichatkamppeter: yes, KDE is very much alive, there was a new Kubuntu release today, KDE Neon is a Kubuntu derivative from jriddel and others16:34
jbichaI think openSUSE originally defaulted to KDE but now KDE and GNOME are equal16:35
jbichaKDE's last release was last week: https://www.kde.org/16:36
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