[00:38] <blackdout> anyone else testing 17.04 right now?
[00:52] <blackdout> jbicha: you around?
[02:44] <blackdout> Ran through all the ISOs on a couple different machines (laptop & desktop). Didn't catch anything new and the adobe bug seemed to be resolved - downloaded fine for me each time.
[08:46] <mozawwadd> having problem with my screen resolution i posted a question on AsKUbuntu please check http://askubuntu.com/questions/903530/setting-desired-resolution-failure-ubuntu-gnome
[13:20] <jbicha> https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-released/
[13:21] <oerheks> yay .. i am seeding the torrent as we speek
[13:35] <ricotz> \o/
[13:52] <dreamcat4> hi there. to take advantage of flatpack on 16.04.2, do i need to manually install 'gnome-session-wayland' ?
[13:53] <dreamcat4> i'm reading the FAQ here and it says about wayland 'still needs some work'. Will future improvements to wayland for gnome be back-ported to 16.04, or only make it into the newer versions ?
[13:54] <dreamcat4> ... asking this because of wishing to stay on 16.04 for its live kernel patching feature (which is currently available only on the LTS release of ubuntu)
[13:54] <oerheks> dreamcat4, flatpack is experimental, from ppa. use snaps instead
[13:55] <oerheks> dream and wayland has nothing to do with snap/flatpack
[13:55] <dreamcat4> that is not the information i have been given elsewhere
[13:55] <dreamcat4> also snaps are not shared amongst distros, unlike flatpack
[13:55] <jbicha> dreamcat4: flatpak is not available in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, you have to use a PPA to get it or install Ubuntu 16.10 or newer
[13:55] <oerheks> dreamcat4, how would you install flatpack then ??
[13:56] <oerheks> dream sure snaps are distro independent.. Fedora uses them too...
[13:56] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/core/install-fedora
[13:56] <dreamcat4> so you guys think snaps will win out over flatpack?
[13:57] <oerheks> dreamcat4, it is not a competition, they can live together.
[13:58] <dreamcat4> i'll take that as a 'no' then
[13:58] <oerheks> besides flatpack and snap, there are more new package systems.
[13:58] <dreamcat4> yeah
[13:59] <oerheks> dreamcat4,  take it as you want, but don't go trolling in other channels that we say one will survive
[13:59] <dreamcat4> thats great competition. i'm just trying to not waste my own time supporting something that ultimately gets droped
[14:41] <kidamnesiac> Hi. I've never filed bugs before, can I unofficially report them here?
[15:22] <danslo> just noticed 17.04 was released, and I also see images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/17.04/release/ - but 'sudo do-release-upgrade' tells me there are no releases? is there currently a way to do an upgrade, or is it just possible with clean install?
[15:24] <oerheks> danslo, maybe your mirror is behind? try changing the mirror to main
[15:25] <jbicha> danslo: the upgrade switch hasn't been enabled yet because there's one issue that's still being worked on
[15:27] <danslo> specifying -d got it to switch to zety..
[15:27] <danslo> zesty*
[15:27] <oerheks> -d = development, i would wait a few hours
[15:28] <jbicha> specifically, the issue is bug 1681566
[15:28] <danslo> jbicha: I'm on 378, is that also affected?
[15:28] <jbicha> danslo: I highly recommend you just wait then unless you want to manually fix your computer
[15:29] <danslo> jbicha: this is just on my experimental desktop, not afraid to screw things up :)
[15:30] <jbicha> well the bug says that you'll need to manually reinstall everything that you have installed that uses dkms (that includes nvidia drivers, VirtualBox, etc.)
[15:30] <jbicha> optionally, you could do a clean install instead of an upgrade
[15:32] <danslo> thanks for the link - I think I'll manage
[15:33] <jbicha> good luck! :)
[15:59] <PaulePanter> Hi. Using a default Ubuntu 16.10 installation with Unity, installing GNOME 3 there is the following behavior.
[15:59] <PaulePanter> Searching for *Einst* for German *Einstellung* there are two choices: Einstellung and Systemeinstellungen.
[16:00] <PaulePanter> The problem is, they both look similar, but in one for monitor configuration you have *Anzeigegeräte* and in the other *Bildschirme*.
[16:00] <PaulePanter> Using *Anzeigegeräte* works, while with *Bildschirme* you get an error.
[16:00] <PaulePanter> Is that a GNOME issue or Unity?
[16:01] <jbicha> unfortunately, I don't speak German :(
[16:07] <ricotz> I assume unity-control-center vs gnome-control-center
[16:07] <TheNumb> ricotz: that's my guess too.
[16:08] <jbicha> oh, you're running Unity?
[16:08] <ricotz> PaulePanter, so *Einstellungen* is the correct one for GNOME
[16:09] <ricotz> jbicha, he seems to be running gnome-shell, but unity-control-center shows up in the activity search
[16:10] <TheNumb> which is expected when you install gnome desktop over unity
[16:10] <PaulePanter> Sorry, other way around.
[16:10] <TheNumb> Umm
[16:10] <PaulePanter> My colleague uses Unity, and I installed GNOME for myself.
[16:10] <TheNumb> Over unity?
[16:11] <PaulePanter> Now he has the problem in *Unity*, that when he searches in the overlay menu (pressing Windows key), that when typing *Einst* the GNOME menu comes first.
[16:11] <TheNumb> then he should uninstall gnome-control-center
[16:11] <PaulePanter> I mainly wonder though, why gnome-control-center wouldn’t work under Unity.
[16:12] <PaulePanter> TheNumb: Well, *I* use GNOME and would like to have it installed.
[16:12] <TheNumb> then uninstall unity-control-center? :)
[16:12] <ricotz> jbicha, "NotShowIn=Unity;" for gnome-control-center?
[16:12] <PaulePanter> Isn’t there a way to configure, that gnome-control-center is ignored by Unity in searches (the UI)?
[16:12] <TheNumb> or that
[16:12] <TheNumb> you can hide the desktop shortcut probably
[16:13] <PaulePanter> TheNumb: As gnome-control-center isn’t fully functional under Unity (I though both use the X server), my colleague wants utity-control-center installed. ;-)
[16:15] <jbicha> it's a bit complicated
[16:16] <TheNumb> Well, gnome-control-center writes to gnome-settings-daemon afaik
[16:16] <jbicha> for instance, to use some GNOME apps, you need to be able to use GNOME's Online Accounts and Search panels which aren't in unity-control-center
[16:16] <TheNumb> unity writes to unity-control-center
[16:16] <TheNumb> err, unity-settings-daemon
[16:17] <jbicha> so I'm not really sure how to fix this well in stable Ubuntu releases
[16:17] <TheNumb> I wouldn't bother to be honest.
[16:18] <TheNumb> Want to use unity? Use unity control center. Want GNOME? Use GNOME. Unity folks forked gnome settings and daemon for a reason.
[16:18] <jbicha> the good news is that I believe this is fixed in 18.04 LTS by switching the default to GNOME
[16:18] <TheNumb> :D
[16:19] <jbicha> there may be a Unity community flavor but it will be a lot of work for them to deal with issues like this one
[16:19] <TheNumb> Unless someone is going to maintain Unity.
[16:19] <TheNumb> Right.
[16:20] <PaulePanter> That’s still one year ahead, confusing users having both desktop environments installed.
[16:20] <jbicha> I think the guys that have stepped up so far to try to maintain Unity aren't aware of the issues they will soon have
[16:22] <jbicha> PaulePanter: you're welcome to file a bug, but because of the complexity I don't know the right way to fix this
[16:23] <jbicha> the important part is that on Unity, you'll want to use "System Settings" but in GNOME, you'll want to use "Settings"
[16:23] <PaulePanter> jbicha: Yes, we figured that out. But “a normal user” will probably have a hard time.
[16:24] <PaulePanter> jbicha: What component should I report this to?
[16:24] <jbicha> gnome-control-center
[16:24] <PaulePanter> Understood.
[16:24] <danslo> jbicha: except for gnome-shell crashing (I really should've done that do-release-upgrade on another runlevel) everything went very smooth! thanks again for your reply
[16:26] <PaulePanter> As I don’t have access to the device right now, could you please translate the monitor setting label for me? Unity: Anzeigegeräte*, GNOME: *Bildschirme* (from memory).
[16:26] <PaulePanter> That way, I use the correct words in the bug report.
[16:27] <jbicha> the "normal user" will have other problems trying to run Unity and GNOME Shell in the same install, for instance, Ubuntu GNOME's default theme doesn't look right in Unity, and Unity's default theme doesn't look right in GNOME
[16:31] <PaulePanter> At least my colleague and I didn’t notice that.
[16:33] <PaulePanter> I submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1682501.
[20:01] <rickyh> anyone else have an issue with network-manager-openvpn?
[23:23] <blackdout> Congrats on the release guys
[23:27] <jbicha> blackdout: thanks for testing the release images!
[23:28] <blackdout> No problem man, is there anything that needs an extra hand today?
[23:30] <jbicha> not in particular, we were told to enjoy our weekend: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001210.html
[23:32] <blackdout> lol, well if you need an extra set of eyes on the outreach or social media or anything, let me know
[23:35] <jbicha> we don't have much of a social media team so you're welcome to try to help out there