[00:04] <daftykins> kitten update - http://i.imgur.com/ehgUwWt.jpg
[00:27] <penguin42> expensive tastes
[00:28] <zmoylan-pi> cats only knock over the most expensive of objects...
[06:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:29] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:52] <MooDoo> morning
[08:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 ows it anging youth
[08:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: Well I've been appier owld man
[08:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye lad
[08:20]  * zmoylan-pi plays hovis advert in background...
[08:21] <MooDoo> ubuntu-uk, the channel with nowt teken owt!
[08:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: trolls are teken out dude always the trolls
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> in olden days even the trolls were better....
[08:22] <MooDoo> ah the trolls....ubuntu sucks ;)
[08:23] <davmor2> yeah but then you calmed down didn't you zmoylan-pi
[08:24] <davmor2> yeah the thing is it's nice playing with trolls cause you can be a sarcastic as you want and everyone is on your side :D
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Plant Appreciation Day! 😃  ⚘ 🌷 🌹
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:08]  * SuperMatt hugs a cacti
[09:14] <JamesTait> A cactus! 🌵
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> it's holy thursday... which is the worst day for anyone in ireland who works in a retail place that sells booze... every single bottle will be bought today when people realise no booze will be on sale tomorrow because it's good friday...
[09:18] <JamesTait> No booze will be on sale tomorrow?
[09:18] <JamesTait> Sounds like a terrible Friday to me.
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> tomorrow is when the game begins when irish people put aside their differences and find ways to get booze because they forgot to get some on thursday and exploit their friends/connections to find a place to get some illegaly
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> or just get the ferry to uk and have a booze cruise all day
[13:02] <diddledan> davmor2: sarcasm is always good!
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> was that sarcasm? :-P
[13:03] <davmor2> diddledan: it's Britian Nobody does it better
[13:03] <luna_> Got an 5£ Amazon Voucher that can't be used in Sweden, only UK anyone wants some free money?
[13:03] <diddledan> although I'm unsure what "a sarcastic" is. I'm wondering if it's like autistic..
[13:03] <diddledan> FREE MONEY!
[13:04] <diddledan> SHUDDUP AND GIVE ME MY MONEY
[13:04] <luna_> diddledan: :P
[13:04] <davmor2> diddledan: just a missing s
[13:04] <diddledan> davmor2: like you're slurring it? ssarcastic? :-p
[13:04] <luna_> diddledan: sure whats your email and i can send it over
[13:05] <diddledan> ooh, I really getting free monies?!
[13:05] <diddledan> sweetness
[13:05] <luna_> yeah got a 5£ voucher thing from a Survey i took for an antivirus program, but can only be used in UK and not Sweden :p
[13:05] <luna_> so i have no use for it
[13:05] <MooDoo> diddledan: it's a trap, you'll owe luna_ something for ever more ;
[13:05] <diddledan> diddledan@gmail.com - difficult to guess ;-)
[13:05] <MooDoo> ;)
[13:06] <luna_> diddledan: sent it over now have fun with your 5£ :P
[13:06] <diddledan> and now I get spamm0red by all the harvesters trawling the intertubes for emails :-p
[13:06] <diddledan> \o/ danke *hug*
[13:06] <luna_> no problem
[13:07] <diddledan> of course now I have to find something to buy :-p
[13:07] <diddledan> oh, the agony!]
[13:07]  * diddledan fires-up amazon.co.uk
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> that 50" tv shall be yours... oh yes...
[13:09] <luna_> zmoylan-pi: heh i guess thats more then 5£
[13:09] <luna_> :D
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> he has a coupon :-D
[13:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/gvaireth/status/851687230716473344
[13:51] <diddledan> it's out!
[13:51] <diddledan> as of 40 minutes ago!
[13:52] <diddledan> get your zesty now!
[13:52] <davmor2> been on it for a while
[13:56] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[13:57] <SuperMatt> zomg!
[13:57] <luna_> gonna update tonight :)
[13:57] <SuperMatt> There's not as much tension in here these days, as they were around 14.04
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> we have a big pit outside were people can fight with giant cotton buds...
[13:59]  * MooDoo just upgraded to windows 10 creators update :p
[13:59] <luna_> MooDoo: i did that 2 days ago :p
[13:59] <luna_> and updated to 16.04.1 instead of 14.04 in the Bash for Windows thing today
[13:59] <MooDoo> luna_: just equials a few days ago as i'm on the preview program as well
[14:01] <luna_> ah
[14:02] <MooDoo> sucker for pain :)
[14:02] <luna_> MooDoo: heh then you will get the Redstone III builds soon :P
[14:02] <MooDoo> luna_: nah i'm only on the slow ring, not that brave :)
[14:03] <luna_> MooDoo: heh okay
[14:03] <MooDoo> luna_: s/brave/stupid/g ;)
[14:04] <luna_> :P
[14:05] <luna_> lets torrent some new Ubuntu :D
[14:05] <SuperMatt> Torrenting's illegal! :o :o :o
[14:06] <MooDoo>  SuperMatt no it isn't :p
[14:06] <diddledan> this is a really good use of alexa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUewiOZTNzM
[14:06] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: I know ;)
[14:06] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i knew you knew :)
[14:07] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: then again, you knew that i knew that you knew, who knew right?
[14:07] <SuperMatt> I don't know any more
[14:07] <MooDoo> hehe
[14:07] <SuperMatt> just let me cry in the corner
[14:08] <luna_>                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUewiOZTNzM
[14:08] <luna_> whoops darn Putty :p
[14:08] <diddledan> I said that already :-p
[14:08] <diddledan> pastefail
[14:08] <SuperMatt> PUTTY RULES, GNOME-TERMINAL DROOLS
[14:09] <diddledan> PuTTY is the only real SSH client!
[14:09] <diddledan> all the others are turds
[14:09]  * MooDoo is using putty now onto my server so I can use irssi :)
[14:09] <SuperMatt> I'm in *yuck* iTerm
[14:09] <diddledan> :-o
[14:09] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: get our, your like shakespear....bard ;)
[14:10] <diddledan> SuperMatt: you are a sucker for punishment, using a mac *hides his apple logo*
[14:10] <diddledan> 
[14:10] <SuperMatt> I would love to dual boot this machine, because I get work done so much quicker under linux
[14:11] <diddledan> is it a work-provided system?
[14:11] <SuperMatt> yup
[14:11] <diddledan> gotcha - business hate workers changing stuff :-p
[14:11] <diddledan> businesses**
[14:12] <SuperMatt> I just don't understand why someone would hire linux engineers, but not let them use linux as their daily driver
[14:12] <diddledan> tis a bit nutty, aye
[14:13] <luna_> is https://ubuntu-mate.org/ down or just my network being slow?
[14:13] <diddledan> GNU Terry Pratchett all the things! http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com/
[14:13] <diddledan> WFM, luna_
[14:15] <SuperMatt> luna_: it's up
[14:24] <luna_> yeah got it now, just my network being slow :)
[14:46] <diddledan> Terry Pratchett anticipated the DRM standardisation process at the w3c: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/852532946237923328
[15:34] <Azelphur> just stumbled upon this website, https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=rsync+-chavzP+--stats+user%40remote.host%3A%2Fpath%2Fto%2Fcopy+%2Fpath%2Fto%2Flocal%2Fstorage
[15:34] <Azelphur> it's like manpages 2.0, for lazy people. I like it
[15:35] <luna_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001210.html
[15:36] <Azelphur> abundant anonymous aardvarks... I like it :)
[15:37] <Azelphur> also relevant, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
[15:49] <luna_> Azelphur: hehe :D
[16:33]  * ahayzen wonders if there are any Ubuntu UK release parties this year ... 
[17:13] <diddledan> popey: how did you set-up gnome? just a simple apt install ubuntu-gnome?
[17:15]  * diddledan listens to ubuntu voltage podcast
[17:44] <diddledan> I've got two fwupd processes - one using 200% cpu and the other another 100% cpu
[17:56] <diddledan> wtf? mr sandman!
[17:56] <diddledan> is that an easter egg?!
[18:29] <diddledan> WARNING: Microsoft has received a secret subpoena: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-reveals-it-received-a-national-security-letter/
[18:40] <technocf> I'm having a bit of an issue: https://pastebin.com/ZjGT5Jm3
[18:45] <daftykins> and what is 'tlmgr' supplied by?
[18:46]  * penguin42 tries to think of a polite way of expressing my dissatisfaction with pastebin's ads
[18:46] <daftykins> https://askubuntu.com/questions/485514/how-to-properly-install-and-use-texlive-with-package-manager-in-14-04
[18:46] <daftykins> slightly different but seems relevant advice
[18:47] <daftykins> technocf: paste.ubuntu.com is good in future :)
[19:05] <technocf> I've returned.  Taking a look at what has been suggested.
[19:09] <technocf> Almost got it working now.
[19:16] <technocf> All works now.  :D
[19:17] <daftykins> was the above link's advice what did it?
[19:18] <technocf> Partially that, and some more Googling.
[19:18] <daftykins> heh
[19:19] <daftykins> a mate uses latex stuff a lot for his science research + work
[19:19] <technocf> I've recently started using it since it looks very professional.
[19:19] <daftykins> yeah, although i'm certain he spends more time faffing with it and the tools than he does doing his job
[19:20] <daftykins> "but it looks nice!" ;)
[19:20] <technocf> :D
[19:20] <technocf> Just loads of "\blindtext"
[19:27] <technocf> How would it be possible to sync a directory on my computer with a USB transferring the newest files either way?
[19:27] <penguin42> pair of rsync's ?
[19:27] <technocf> I'll take a look at that.
[19:28] <technocf> Heard of it vaguely before but never used it.
[19:29] <penguin42> technocf: The only thing to be careful of is the / on the first arg  - rsync -av foo bah  is different from  rsync -av   foo/ bah
[19:29] <daftykins> would recommend using something a bit more robust than a flash drive if that's what you meant
[19:29] <diddledan> there's an application called unison which will do two-directional rsync
[19:29] <technocf> Now that I think of it, probably just best to work directly on the USB.
[19:29] <daftykins> technocf: oh god no it's not
[19:29] <technocf> Or I may try what diddledan just said.
[19:29] <daftykins> asking for trouble
[19:29] <technocf> daftykins: Why not?
[19:31] <technocf> diddledan: unison looks like a good piece of software.  Will definitely be using that in the future.
[19:33] <daftykins> just the way USB storage works, flash drive or otherwise... you should never work directly from it
[19:33] <technocf> Okay.  I'll use unison.  :)
[19:37] <diddledan> "WSL is used by over half a million people each month"
[19:37] <diddledan> ref: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/11/testing-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
[19:38] <technocf> Using that on my Dell XPS 13 since I don't dare try to dual boot and break it.  The UEFI aspect of it makes it scary that I may never get it working again.
[19:42] <daftykins> technocf: i own an XPS 13 9350 myself and many others in here run them with *buntu, as does my Physics research friend - it's easy.
[19:43] <technocf> daftykins: I'm fine with this setup.
[19:43] <daftykins> ok, just telling you it's wrong to think UEFI is a barrier
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> uefi makes dual booting easier than before
[19:44] <technocf> MartijnVdS: I found it made it more difficult dual booting my desktop with: Linux and Gaming OS (Windows... *washes hands*)
[19:45] <diddledan> I tried googling earlier to see if anyone had made a UEFI thingy for a firmware-style BASIC interpreter (similar to the way that old micros came with a BASIC in ROM, only loaded early by the UEFI off disk instead of from ROM)
[19:45] <daftykins> gaming on a laptop with intel only graphics L O L
[19:45] <diddledan> I couldn't find anything :-(
[19:45] <technocf> No, a desktop with Nvidia graphics.  :P
[19:46] <daftykins> that's more like it
[19:46]  * diddledan nvidiises
[19:46] <diddledan> that sounds nasty
[19:46] <technocf> :D
[19:46]  * diddledan nvidiises daftykins . quite hard.
[19:46]  * daftykins has the local police launch an investigation over historic nvidiising by diddledan 
[19:47] <technocf> Never tried it since I don't own one.  But Ubuntu on Ryzen?
[19:47] <daftykins> what of it?
[19:47] <diddledan> it'll work. might not be well optimised for a while yet though
[19:47] <technocf> Does it perform better than on Intel.
[19:47]  * penguin42 has seen various reviews that seem to say 'it depends'
[19:48] <daftykins> that question is already flawed given you'd have to have two identically matched chips to compare between, but they have different core counts
[19:48] <technocf> Will we have a64 and i64 releases in the future?
[19:48] <diddledan> no
[19:48] <daftykins> no, because all CPUs run x86-64
[19:48] <technocf> Okay
[19:48] <daftykins> you know AMD already have 64-bit chips right?
[19:48] <diddledan> ia64 is itanium, and dead.
[19:48] <daftykins> in fact they launched first :)
[19:48] <technocf> Don't really do much research into it.
[19:49] <diddledan> amd64 is the 64bit we use everywhere on x86
[19:49] <diddledan> even on intels
[19:49] <penguin42> yes because Intel were still trying to convince people to buy Itaniums while AMD was walking away with selling 64bit x86s
[19:49] <diddledan> intel tried to reinvent the architecture of the PC but AMD chose to retain backasswards compatibility. AMD won
[19:49] <technocf> Will amd64 not get confusing to newcomers who would maybe also expect int64 since it would look like that was aimed at AMD?
[19:50] <diddledan> no, because we use the term x86_64 these days
[19:50] <daftykins> technocf: welcome to the support channels and new users for the last 15+ years
[19:50] <daftykins> diddledan: nah users definitely come in asking where the intel 64-bit build is XD
[19:50] <diddledan> lol
[19:50] <diddledan> true
[19:50] <technocf> Ah, it already happens.
[19:51] <diddledan> what about the 68k_64?
[19:51] <diddledan> motorola is the futur
[19:51] <daftykins> "The first AMD64-based processor, the Opteron, was released in April 2003."
[19:51] <technocf> diddledan: Never hurd of that.
[19:51] <technocf> Anyone tried hurd?
[19:51] <diddledan> ppc_64 also, but that's not as good as the 68k arch :-p
[19:52] <daftykins> i was herding kittens again earlier
[19:52] <diddledan> daftykins: \o/
[19:52]  * diddledan cuddles teh kittehs
[19:52] <daftykins> their cleaner was complaining to me about how much mess they make XD
[19:52] <diddledan> kittykuddle ftw
[19:52] <technocf> :D
[19:53] <technocf> Greatest invention of mankind: https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
[19:53] <daftykins> i thought i was being all on the ball before, showered there, then closed the door - later i hear MIAOW, MIAOW
[19:53] <daftykins> she'd gone and snuck in via teleportation again i swear!
[19:54] <diddledan> :-D
[19:54] <daftykins> hmm not very appropriate link for the channel, technocf
[19:54] <technocf> I soz
[19:54] <diddledan> grr @ planned-parenthood being attacked by Trumpet
[19:55] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/TransEquality/status/852610620616605696
[19:59] <technocf> I'm surprised git isn't installed by default in Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.2
[19:59] <daftykins> i'm not
[19:59] <technocf> Why's that?
[20:01] <penguin42> dev tools aren't installed by default
[20:01] <daftykins> I see Planet Earth II is out on 4K bluray now, that'd totally be worth trying out :O
[20:02] <technocf> gcc was preinstalled though...
[20:02] <daftykins> !info gcc xenial
[20:03] <daftykins> optional - usually isn't
[20:03] <daftykins> typically you throw on build-essential for that kinda stuff
[20:03] <technocf> Well, I tried it when I first installed from the DVD and it was there.
[20:03] <daftykins> *shrug* i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it
[20:03] <technocf> Not trying to argue :(, just thought it interesting that gcc was there but no git.
[20:04] <daftykins> i'm not even a dev and that's obvious to me
[20:05] <penguin42> technocf: Hmm I'm curious why gcc was - are you using zfs or something?
[20:06] <penguin42> technocf: Anyway, it'll prrobably have been pulled in for something specific is my guess
[20:06] <technocf> penguin42: No, ext4.
[20:06] <technocf> Maybe I did install it as a dependency for something and didn't realise.
[20:07] <daftykins> makes sense
[20:08] <diddledan> any DKMS drivers will pull gcc
[20:08] <technocf> It's a UEFI install.
[20:08] <daftykins> that shouldn't change anything
[20:09] <technocf> I dunno' then.  Nevermind.
[20:09] <technocf> I was wondering if anyone else in here has used the editor "micro".
[20:10] <daftykins> diddledan: my client that got an iMac a couple of years ago for home has pretty much decided to abandon it since i got him an XPS 13 laptop for other uses, earlier he'd been after replacing it with a Windows all in one - which i was dead against :>
[20:10] <daftykins> gonna push for just springing for a Win 10 license now :>
[20:14] <diddledan> "the NES classic is awesome. Everyone loves it. Let's EOL it." https://twitter.com/SirTapTap/status/852615574068891648
[20:14] <diddledan> seriously, WTF, Nintendo?!
[20:21] <daftykins> idiots enabling scalpers yet again
[21:23] <diddledan> macos on a raspi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAAzRbNj5s
[21:24] <daftykins> horrific :P
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> that's the sort of thing that will release a steve jobs zombie loose upon the earth :-P
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> and nintendo released the classic to keep their name alive... but don't need it now that the switch hasn't bombed
[21:32] <daftykins> mmm don't think so, folk still wanted access to the older gen stuff
[21:33] <daftykins> though the Wii/Wii U and likely soon, Switch have emulator features they're typically inferior
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> and of course nintendo fans want access to older stuff... nintendo is the nostalgia king of the electronic gaming universe
[21:36] <daftykins> there was a funny piece that explained how the ROM for a Mario title on the Wii's virtual console is actually a pirated download instead of sourced directly :D
[21:36] <diddledan> oops
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> it was either that or find a backup tape with copy of original rom...
[21:59] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCYva9DhsI
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be interesting to see if they slow down the release of nintendo games on ios and android now that switch seems to be doing well
[23:54]  * diddledan worries: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> just as long as 2 crazy leaders don't end up facing each other down waiting for the other to blink... oh...