[00:01] <Ben64> Nobabs27: just use xev
[00:02] <Nobabs27> k ill try if it still has the issue here in a sec
[00:02] <afox> it'll definitely have the issue. but we need to see if its the keyboard glitching out or not
[00:03] <Nobabs27> actually no
[00:03] <Nobabs27> because
[00:03] <Nobabs27> the issue only happens inside the terminal
[00:03] <Toeplitz> hello dax :)
[00:03] <Nobabs27> so xev will not pick it up
[00:03] <Ben64> of course it will
[00:04] <Nobabs27> then how?
[00:04] <Nobabs27> because you have to have the window selected for it to pick up key presses
[00:04] <Ben64> if you see something come up in xev that you didn't press, there you go
[00:04] <Nobabs27> I cant have the xev window selected AND the terminal ...
[00:04] <Ben64> why would you need the terminal window
[00:05] <Nobabs27> because the issue only happens inside the terminal...
[00:05] <Ben64> if you see something come up in xev that you didn't press, there you go
[00:05] <Nobabs27> ...yeah xev will not work
[00:05] <Ben64> it will
[00:05] <Nobabs27> you have to have the window selected
[00:05] <Ben64> i know
[00:05] <Nobabs27> ...therein is the issue
[00:06] <Ben64> the point of using xev is to see if it's sending things it isn't supposed to
[00:06] <Nobabs27> but I cant send keys to the terminal and xev
[00:06] <Ben64> you don't need to
[00:06] <Ben64> you're testing the input
[00:07] <Nobabs27> how though?  Don't I need the xev window selected for it to pickup key presses?
[00:07] <Ben64> yes
[00:07] <Nobabs27> ...
[00:07] <Nobabs27> breh
[00:07] <Ben64> you're not getting it at all
[00:07] <Nobabs27> the issue is only inside the terminal, I cant select two windows at the same time
[00:07] <Ben64> omg you're TESTING
[00:08] <Ben64> i don't know how to explain this any simpler
[00:08] <skinux> This may be a dumb question, but how do I add a directory as an option under Places panel menu?
[00:08] <Ben64> lets say your keyboard is sending "2" when you hit "1", you don
[00:08] <Nobabs27> so your saying it matters not that the issue wont happen?
[00:08] <Ben64> 't need the terminal open to see that, you can use xev
[00:09] <Nobabs27> well xev seems to be pick up the keys
[00:11] <Nobabs27> @Ben64
[00:12] <Nobabs27> also im like 90% sure the issue is with gnome-terminal
[00:12] <jeffreylevesque> does `usermod` even work on root?
[00:12] <Nobabs27> as it does not seem to happen with xterm
[00:13] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: i somehow doubt it
[00:13] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: and doesn't really make sense to attempt most changes to the root user
[00:13] <jeffreylevesque> that's what i think
[00:13] <jeffreylevesque> yeah
[00:13] <jeffreylevesque> true
[00:13] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: i suppose the shell might be changeable
[00:13] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: but most other things you wouldn't want to change
[00:43] <hfp> Hi, I set an option at some point to show the trash, my home folder, and the network, and other icons on my desktop. I'd like to return the desktop to have nothing on it but can't find where to set it this way. Any idea?
[00:45] <pavlos> hfp: are you running ubuntu mate?
[00:47] <Tin_man> pavlos, its in Settings > Personalization > Themes > Desktop icon settings
[00:47] <pavlos> hfp: see above
[00:47] <Tin_man> whoops
[00:47] <Tin_man> wrong channel
[00:48] <Tin_man> you can just right click and remove them from the menu
[00:50] <letterman> So I just installed 16.10 and it worked fine in the livecd, but after it finished installing it ejected the CD and rebooted and now it's just a black screen with a white cursor on tty7
[00:51] <letterman> I'm not sure exactly how to fix it, and all I have is the text terminal to work from.
[00:53] <Bashing-om> lethu: Try: ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' as if it is a graphic's driver .
[00:55] <hfp> pavlos: Using ubuntu.
[00:56] <hfp> There is no such option in the system settings window unless I'm missing something?
[00:56] <pavlos> hfp: I dont know how you remove the trash icon from the bottom left.
[00:57] <letterman> so I have a fresh install that worked in the livecd, but rebooted and now it's just a black screen
[00:57] <letterman> how do I trouble shoot it?
[00:58] <hfp> oooh I remember! I used the unity tweak tool! It's not part of the system settings.
[00:59] <Bashing-om> lethu: Most likly no graphic's driver is loaded ( sudo lshw -C display ) . the above will install a nVidia driver .
[01:00] <Bashing-om> letterman: ^^ sorry for the bad highlight lethu :(
[01:01] <letterman> So it says I have a radeon driver loaded, which should be correct
[01:01] <letterman> it also says I have my onboard intel graphics loaded
[01:04] <Bashing-om> letterman: Ouch . I do not know enough about AMD hybrid graphics .
[01:04] <letterman> though it does say my clock is 33 mhz and that can't be right.. I have a Radeon R9 390X, I think it's clock is supposed to be 1000mhz
[01:05] <letterman> how do I restart the display manager? Ubuntu obviously doesn't use gdm
[01:08] <fission6> how do i reload upstart scripts
[01:08] <fission6> i made a change but its not reflected
[01:08] <Bashing-om> letterman: Ya need the AMDGPU-PRO driver ; per:https://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/general-interest/11-amd-gpu-support-with-amdgpu-and-amdgpu-pro . Not radeon .
[01:09] <letterman> Bashing-om: I don't have web, is it a package for apt?
[01:09] <Bashing-om> letterman: I would have expected the kernel to have picked the correct driver .
[01:10] <Bashing-om> letterman: NO package . as the AMD driver is incorporated into the kernel now .
[01:12] <letterman> lspci says it's a VGA compatible controller for R9 290X/390X
[01:14] <letterman> whatever, how do I ditch the radeon driver and use the AMDGPU-PRO driver?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> letterman: Sorry, I do not know what to tell ya with AMD hybrid graphics . Maybe hook up to a wired internet connection and re-install . The kernel "should" have installed the correct driver .
[01:20] <stewie> How can I add a piece of software (Example: Xonotic) into unity's dash in a way that actually -WORKS-?
[01:23] <stewie> over 1800 people here...and dead silence? Seriously?
[01:24] <zhanx> stewie: well i dont use unity so i can't answer that
[01:25] <stewie> Damn...Well at least you said something. Thanks. lol.
[01:33] <stewie> *crickets* I didn't think this would be that difficult of a question.
[01:33] <xangua> stewie: if you installed this software manually, you need to create a desktop file
[01:33] <pavlos> stewie: http://askubuntu.com/questions/67753/how-do-i-add-an-application-to-the-dash
[01:34] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[01:34] <stewie> Yes. I've read that. I've gone through the creation process, specifically the Alacarte process...and it fails to launch.
[01:34] <stewie> Or more specifically: I get an error telling me to put some -basedir command into the launcher command. Which I have done and it still fails.
[01:36] <stewie> screw it...back to windows until such basic functionality has FINALLY been implemented.
[01:37] <xangua> It is
[01:37] <bazhang> he's gone
[01:37] <xangua> And in this software site also mentions an unofficial deb
[01:39] <letterman> okay going to reboot and give this amdgpu-pro driver a shot
[01:39] <letterman> thanks for the help if this works
[01:39] <Blue1> Hi I am running xubuntu 16.04 trying to use an edimax rtl 8188 usb wifi dongle.  the system locks up -- and has to be rebooted.  Suggestions?
[02:00] <Blue1> I am running xubuntu 16.04 trying to use an edimax rtl 8188 usb wifi dongle.  the system locks up -- and has to be rebooted.  Suggestions?
[02:07] <darthho0> why is top showing my cpu usage at 99% for one core?
[02:08] <darthho0> i barely have any apps open... i thought it was suppose to balance workload to different cores evenly
[02:08] <Jordan_U> Blue1: Make sure that you're using the hardware enablement kernel "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04". (From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack )
[02:12] <Jordan_U> darthho0: What is using most of the CPU? If a single threaded process is needing a lot of CPU then it will use all of a single core.
[02:15] <arisnugroho> hello word
[02:16] <duckgoose> the world is away right now
[02:16] <afox> yo yo word is born!
[02:17] <bazhang> !ot> duckgoose
[02:20] <arisnugroho> how are you ?
[02:20] <Jagst3r15> well when I type in awk '/<Directory \/var\/www\/>/,/AllowOverride None/{sub("None", "All",$0)}{print}' /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I see it changes temporarily in terminal, but it does not save it, any idea what is going on?
[02:20] <Jagst3r15> I asked in #apache but they said to come to my distro for help
[02:24] <implite> !apache
[02:24] <berryhwite> will running ubuntu on my mac instead of windows bootcamp make the game run better or faster?
[02:25] <xangua> "the game"?
[02:26] <berryhwite> oops forgot to include counterstrike
[02:26] <berryhwite> lmao
[02:26] <berryhwite> cart ahead of the horse
[02:26] <Jordan_U> berryhwite: If you're concerned only with performance of games then Windows will usually be the better choice.
[02:26] <berryhwite> hmmm thanks jordan
[02:26] <Jordan_U> berryhwite: You're welcome.
[02:26] <berryhwite> it is performance im looking for
[02:29] <afox> what made you want to use linux to do counterstrike?
[02:30] <berryhwite> just seeing it was available, and being a fan of a unix base
[02:30] <berryhwite> doesnt seem the best for gaming though
[02:30] <afox> cool. i've played counterstrike on linux quite a bit. i've never had a problem with it. often with a subpar graphics card.
[02:31] <afox> overall linux isn't the ideal choice for games. most games are built with windows in mind. even mac suffers there.
[02:31] <berryhwite> yeah, tf2 and cs on mac are slow
[02:31] <afox> a lot of games will run, and run well, but if your primary function is gaming. well linux isn't it.
[02:31] <Jordan_U> Jagst3r15: Awk by default just prints output to stdout. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16529716/awk-save-modifications-in-place . Where did you get that command from and what is your end goal?
[02:32] <berryhwite> shucks, i was hoping it was the solution :c
[02:32] <afox> is windows not doing the job for you?
[02:32] <afox> it might just be your gpu.
[02:33] <afox> especially if its just CS
[02:33] <afox> changing OS doesn't make a gpu better sadly.
[02:33] <berryhwite> it is, primarily the computer is for audio production so thats why mac
[02:33] <afox> understood.
[02:33] <berryhwite> and youre right, its just a laptop so its not built for performance gaming
[02:33] <Jagst3r15> Jordan_U I got it, I had to put it ina  tmp file first..kind of weird but it works
[02:34] <afox> berryhwite: i have an xps15 - work issued. running linux, but it's still not the gaming machine it would be if i were running windows full time.
[02:34] <afox> i totally understand though.
[02:34] <berryhwite> hmm interesting
[02:34] <berryhwite> so maybe windows has less overhead
[02:35] <berryhwite> and since games are designed for it
[02:35] <berryhwite> i guess will always run better
[02:35] <afox> no... games are simply built to run on windows first.
[02:35] <berryhwite> yeah
[02:35] <afox> because the majority of game buyers all run windows
[02:36] <Ilc> hello everyone
[02:36] <berryhwite> your help is appreciated afox, thank you
[02:38] <afox> berryhwite: with a solid gpu you can play all kinds of games well.
[02:38] <berryhwite> i know less about todays gpus but i thought that Intel Iris Graphics 6100 1536 MB would run it fine
[02:38] <afox> berryhwite: also linux is AMAZING in it's own right without gaming.
[02:39] <berryhwite> its not high end but its over a gig of gpu ram
[02:39] <berryhwite> i dunno, i feel like the performance could be better
[02:41] <afox> what have you been doing previously? running parallels?
[02:41] <berryhwite> partitioned- boot campp
[02:41] <berryhwite> windows 10 i think
[02:44] <afox> i just watched a couple of videos playing CS on mac with that gpu. windows seems to handle it fairly well.
[02:44] <afox> hows your peformance in ubuntu vs windows?
[02:44] <berryhwite> havent installed ubuntu yet
[02:45] <berryhwite> i wonder what settings i should change
[02:45] <afox> i missed something. im sorry. have you tried running linux on your mac to play CS?
[02:46] <berryhwite> not yet no
[02:46] <JeevesMoss> how do I change the login screen to NOT have a user name (like a windows login screen)
[02:46] <berryhwite> i dont think i will after what youve told me
[02:47] <berryhwite> only mac+windows right now
[02:48] <afox> as much as I absolutely adore linux I wouldn't suggest to anyone to install linux over windows just for gaming. it doesn't really make sense.
[02:48] <berryhwite> i used ubuntu back in 2007 or 2008 and loved it, but i need mac and windows more :(
[02:49] <afox> thats understandable.
[02:49] <afox> linux still loves you
[02:49] <berryhwite> was hoping ubuntu could take over the windows needs but i guess gamers do windows
[02:49] <berryhwite> lol
[02:49] <berryhwite> <3 linux
[02:50] <ffs> why is nvidia so unhelpful?
[02:51] <afox> that's a very broad statement
[02:51] <afox> and i'm past my bed time
[02:51] <berryhwite> heh yeah
[02:52] <ffs> i mean, i think nearly everyone acknowledges that nvidia prime is trash on linux
[02:52] <deb> v
[02:53] <afox> best of luck gentlemen. sleep calls.
[02:58] <Speed_> question...
[02:58] <Speed_> im trying to configure my cpmputer to work with an HP officejet pro 8600
[02:59] <Speed_> how should i ughh, do that because i tried to install the driver for it
[02:59] <Speed_> and i did a test print and it only prints grayscale
[02:59] <Speed_> 16.04 btw
[03:00] <abstradelic> ok
[03:00] <abstradelic> boa noite
[03:00] <Blue1> Thanks Jordan_U
[03:01] <abstradelic> greetings all
[03:13] <letterman> so, my network is running stupid slow on my laptop.. about 500KB/sec and it says it's connected at 165MB/Sec. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24371830/
[03:25] <Burnthebanks> Hey anyone here
[03:25] <Galahad2017> Hi
[03:25] <Burnthebanks> Hey
[03:26] <Burnthebanks> It's just me and u
[03:26] <Galahad2017> when is 17.04 being released today?
[03:26] <Burnthebanks> idk
[03:26] <Burnthebanks> I came here to ask questions
[03:26] <Burnthebanks> but no one is hurr
[03:26] <minimec> !ask | Burnthebanks
[03:26] <dax> Galahad2017: when the release team's checklist is done
[03:27] <Galahad2017> the slated release date is 4/13. today is 4/12 8pm in my time zone
[03:27] <Galahad2017> is it on track?
[03:27] <Burnthebanks> Assuming it's released EST
[03:27] <Burnthebanks> Then it's not even 12 EST
[03:28] <Galahad2017> been waiting for 17.04 - want mesa 17.x drivers, want no swap drive, want want want :)
[03:29] <Galahad2017> maybe i can ask this: if i want to run virtualbox on ubuntu - can i run a server ISO on it?
[03:29] <Tex_Nick> Burnthebanks: if no one is asking, then it might appear no one is hear ;-)
[03:29] <minimec> Burnthebanks: Galahad2017: Even though 17.04 may already be released, it might take some time until the 'mirrirs' in your country (or the one you use' may be up to date...
[03:30] <Galahad2017> thanks dax, minimec
[03:30] <dax> (it isn't already released tho)
[03:30] <Burnthebanks> I'm really fucking confused about the format of IRC lool
[03:30] <Galahad2017> IRC is just a big set of chat channels
[03:30] <Burnthebanks> So please excuse me if I'm confused
[03:30] <Speed_> i cant get my printer to print in color, how do i get the right driver?
[03:30] <Burnthebanks> I think you might need a new printer
[03:31] <Burnthebanks> There are black and white and colored ones
[03:31] <Galahad2017> VirtualBox: can i install ubuntu server on it? or redhat/fedora server on it?
[03:31] <Burnthebanks> Yes
[03:31] <Burnthebanks> But setting it up isn't pleasant
[03:32] <Burnthebanks> If you are planning to connect to it outside of the host
[03:32] <Galahad2017> what's my main advantage of running a linux server?  i already run LAMP for webserver testing
[03:32] <Galahad2017> on ubuntu 16.10
[03:32] <Burnthebanks> Advantage?
[03:32] <Burnthebanks> There isn't one
[03:32] <root____6> haha
[03:32] <Galahad2017> yea...is it mainly for if i have multiple computers and/or networks?
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> Uhh
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> What is your goal?
[03:33] <nbros652> What clear benefits does Ubuntu have over Debian?
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> Less privacy?
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> More telemetry?
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> Easier to use though
[03:33] <Burnthebanks> Way easier to use
[03:33] <Galahad2017> Burnthebanks: work related linux experience is my goal,  the desktop versions are good for learning environment also
[03:34] <nbros652> Burnthebanks: easier to use in what regard?
[03:34] <Burnthebanks> Why are you red now
[03:34] <dax> Burnthebanks: because they put your name in their message, like I just did
[03:34] <dax> it's called a highlight
[03:34] <Burnthebanks> dax testing
[03:34] <dax> yep
[03:34] <Burnthebanks> so I'm red to you
[03:34] <dax> d and then the <tab> key would have worked too
[03:34] <Burnthebanks> Okay
[03:34] <Burnthebanks> Cool thanks
[03:35] <Galahad2017> Burnthebanks: testing
[03:35] <Burnthebanks> Well Galahad2017 I'm not sure what you mean by "work related linux experience"
[03:36] <Galahad2017> so..will i learn more with server version of ubuntu/fedora than with desktop version
[03:36] <root____6> Burnthebanks   how to  make up the static route in ubuntu 16.04  /etc/network/interfaces
[03:36] <Burnthebanks> And nbros652 I mean that it is easier to install and initially setup.
[03:36] <Burnthebanks> !ask
[03:37] <Burnthebanks> lool
[03:37] <Burnthebanks> Oh I get that now
[03:37] <SpaceAce> hey guys, I'm trying to reinstall intel graphics drivers, and i'm getting a weird unmet dependency: va-driver-all
[03:37] <Galahad2017> Burnthebanks: i mean i will be doing linux systems support, perhaps some linux server support
[03:37] <nbros652> Burnthebanks, so if I were the one setting it up and I didn't expect the end-user to really make many system modifications, would you say the usability gap shrinks?
[03:37] <minimec> SpaceAce: How do you reinstall it and what package exactly...
[03:37] <Burnthebanks> Galahad2017:  look into docker, it allows you to run and ssh into VM's without all the pain of virtualbox
[03:38] <SpaceAce> minimec, using the intel graphics driver installer
[03:38] <Galahad2017> VirtualBox is bad?
[03:38] <SpaceAce> it's a gui
[03:38] <Burnthebanks> Galahad2017: It depends on the usecase, but for your's I suggest Docker.
[03:38] <Galahad2017> ok - Docker easy to setup like VirtualBox?
[03:38] <Galahad2017> is it free?
[03:39] <Galahad2017> also would you go about it by working on desktop OS first, then installing a server VM to work on that?
[03:39] <Burnthebanks> nbros652:  My personal experience is that it is not intuitive even in that case.
[03:39] <minimec> SpaceAce: I would personally not do that. The default version of your ubuntu distro should be the 'best' choice...
[03:40] <Galahad2017> SpaceAce: 17.04 comes out like tomorrow. it has the latest Mesa drivers. u might want to just upgrade to it
[03:40] <Burnthebanks> Galahad2017: Docker is free, and yess that is essentially the workflow.
[03:40] <nbros652> Burnthebanks, thanks!. I'll download and play around with it just for the sake of it, but I appreciate the input.
[03:41] <Burnthebanks> nbros652: yeah you definetly should do it and see what I'm talking about
[03:41] <Galahad2017> ok thanks all. will come back with questions after 17.04 (maybe) :)  good night!
[03:41] <Burnthebanks> nbros652:  good luck
[03:43] <Burnthebanks> Alright I got a rant, I love Ubuntu but the fact that it doesn't have google drive support irks me to no end.
[03:43] <Burnthebanks> But if I were to switch to dropbox there would be no online editing optinos.
[03:43] <Burnthebanks> I could use the "gnome online accounts" but who knows how secure that is
[03:44] <Burnthebanks> Shit's annoying, wish Google would release goobuntu
[03:45] <Burnthebanks>  //rant
[03:48] <Tex_Nick> or would it be Canonical  releasing Ugootu
[03:49] <ad7212> hello there
[03:49] <ad7212> sup fam
[03:49] <abstradelic> hi there
[03:49] <ad7212> hi how are you
[03:50] <Espopore> put it there
[03:50] <ad7212> put what where
[03:51] <OerHeks> !ot | ad7212 Espopore
[03:52] <ad7212> is anyone here experienced in intermediate programming
[03:53] <OerHeks> ad7212, try ##programming ?
[03:53] <abstradelic> someone know the comunist distro name from north korea ? Im trying to remember
[03:53] <dax> red star linux i think
[03:53] <zhanx> programming can be fun to say the least
[03:53] <abstradelic> oH yes
[03:54] <abstradelic> really
[03:54] <abstradelic> lol
[03:54] <abstradelic> its ubuntu-based?
[03:54] <ad7212> Does anyone want to help with some java programming?
[03:54] <zhanx> ad7212: just ask the question if someone knows it they might help
[03:56] <ad7212> trying to write some code to compress and uncompress files
[04:01] <Jordan_U> ad7212: Try asking in ##java . Make sure that before you ask your question you read the channel topic, and the link included therein, first though.
[04:11] <abstradelic> its interesting to have comunists inside intelectual liberty ?
[04:11] <abstradelic> in bettween us, hackers?
[04:12] <OerHeks> totally not an ubuntu support issue, abstradelic
[04:15] <sta7ic> How come ubuntu doesnt have a easier option to enable incoming RDP. I mean we have to jump thru hoops to see our screen and then so its thru ugly XFCE and not our default desktop. Step it up already.. We dont want to have to do 20 steps just to use RDP. Even winblowz does it with 1 click of a button.
[04:16] <NewGnuGuy> What time UTC do 17.04 final ISOs release?
[04:16] <OerHeks> sta7ic, nope, even windows doesn't do that with 1 mouseclick
[04:16] <sta7ic> OerHeks: yes. enable desktop sharing. done.
[04:16] <OerHeks> NewGnuGuy, no time given ..
[04:17] <OerHeks> sta7ic, enabling <> setting up, 2 different things.
[04:17] <NewGnuGuy> OerHeks: But I want it now :P
[04:17] <OerHeks> anyway, you need to set it up once, easy peasy
[04:18] <OerHeks> NewGnuGuy, join #ubuntu-release-party and you will know as 1st
[04:18] <sta7ic> Even when you set it up, it uses XFCE and not a nice looking environment
[04:19] <sta7ic> i mean seriously. what year is this? tons of people jumping thru steps. click this, install this, do this, vi this... its fricken RDP, one of the most fundamental tools a adminnnn uses.
[04:20] <sta7ic> just ranting, just ignore me =P
[04:20] <Jordan_U> sta7ic: This channel is for productive Ubuntu support discussion. We can't affect the ease of using RDP any more than you can, so please keep such discussion to other channels.
[04:20] <sta7ic> ok where do the devs hang out so i can pester them?
[04:21] <Jordan_U> sta7ic: File a bug report / feature request or consider hiring a developer to implement the feature you want.
[04:21] <Jordan_U> !bug | sta7ic
[04:21] <gogeta> lol what i come into
[04:21] <sta7ic> its not a bug. its insanity.
[04:22] <Jordan_U> sta7ic: Launchpad is still the best way to get the attention of developers in a productive manner.
[04:22] <sta7ic> ok sweet. i honestly think tons would benefit otherewise i wouldnt complain
[04:23] <sta7ic> ill look into filing it. theres gotta be a better way.
[04:23] <sta7ic> thx.
[04:32] <tgm4883> OerHeks: I think you're right. I don't think windows does that in 1 click unless you have the right version (eg. not home version)
[04:33] <OerHeks> I think ubuntu does it even more elegant than windows, but the other rant, it does not look nice, is true: no desktop background .. but it is workable
[04:34] <OerHeks> but this is valid for all RDP
[04:50] <sam_wong> hi, what's the terminal command for checking wifi signal's strength?
[04:51] <OerHeks> watch -n1 iwconfig >>http://askubuntu.com/questions/95676/a-tool-to-measure-signal-strength-of-wireless
[04:52] <sam_wong> thanks
[04:56] <LinuxAdventure> hello, is anybody here using Budgie DE on Ubuntu? I have Ubuntu 16.04.2 installed on my laptop and wish to try Budgie.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !budgie | LinuxAdventure
[04:57] <LinuxAdventure> great. when will 17.04 be realeased officially. Eagerly waiting for it.
[04:57] <phelix> i had a motherboard go bad and had to replace mothervoard and cpu.. I still have hd with ubuntu setup. There anyway to recover my data from my hard drive before reinstalling?
[04:58] <Ben64> LinuxAdventure: sometime in the next 48 hours
[04:58] <gogeta> phelix, should boot up
[04:58] <LinuxAdventure> great. will that be stable and ready for end users? I mean complete with all the bugs fixed?
[04:59] <Ben64> unlikely
[04:59] <LinuxAdventure> can I upgrade from 16.04.2 smoothly or will I have to reinstall it?
[04:59] <Ben64> 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04
[05:00] <gogeta> phelix, ubuntu is pretty frendly to hardware changes
[05:00] <OerHeks> lolz .. "complete with all the bugs fixed?"  not the ones we found today
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | phelix
[05:00] <LinuxAdventure> you mean, first I have to upgrade it to 16.10?
[05:00] <Ben64> LinuxAdventure: but keep in mind 17.04 is only supported until January 2018, 16.04 is supported until April 2021
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: are you sure you want to go from LTS to non-lts also?
[05:01] <LinuxAdventure> ohh. this 17.04 is not a LTS version?
[05:01] <dax> correct
[05:01] <dax> LTS is every 2 years
[05:01] <dax> 16.04 14.04 12.04... 18.04 in the future
[05:01] <phelix> is there a way i can reconfigure ubuntu with new motherboard and cpu so that I dont have to reinstall?
[05:01] <LinuxAdventure> ok. I'll stay with 16.04.2 then.
[05:01] <gogeta> LinuxAdventure, 16.04 is lts
[05:02] <LinuxAdventure> May be I'll download 17.04 and test it in Virtual Box.
[05:02] <gogeta> phelix, it should do it on its own
[05:02] <phelix> hmm, having serious issues booting. Can only get to recovery mode
[05:02] <gogeta> phelix, oh
[05:03] <LinuxAdventure> thanks for the info. I think, Budgie is not a mature DE yet. am I right?
[05:04] <Jordan_U> phelix: What happens when you try to boot normally? Did you have any proprietary drivers (especially graphics drivers) installed?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: budgie will become an official ubuntu flavor
[05:05] <LinuxAdventure> any advantages or special freatures in Budgie?
[05:05] <LinuxAdventure> or is it just a different DE?
[05:05] <OerHeks> LinuxAdventure, read the releasenotes?
[05:06] <OerHeks> * for the beta2, that is
[05:06] <phelix> yes but still using the same graphics card. It gets to one spot and it just hangs and doesn't boot. But ethernet and all sorts of drivers must be different. Is there anything I can run via commandline that will update and rescan the system for updated hardware changes?
[05:07] <LinuxAdventure> how heavy will Budgie be as compared to XFCE?
[05:07] <gogeta> phelix, i but the gpu is failing
[05:07] <gogeta> phelix, the other stuff the system would handel
[05:08] <Ben64> LinuxAdventure: similar probably
[05:08] <gogeta> phelix, as it will have a diffrent pci adress now
[05:08] <xangua> LinuxAdventure: budgie is pretty snappy
[05:08] <phelix> even though i took that same card and put it in this system?
[05:09] <phelix> ahh ok
[05:09] <phelix> any idea how to update this?
[05:09] <LinuxAdventure> that's great. But, I am not able to find the system requirements on the site. Would it be suitable for old laptops?
[05:09] <gogeta> phelix, what kind of gpu
[05:09] <Ben64> LinuxAdventure: if it works with xubuntu it should be fine
[05:10] <phelix> nvidia geforce gt 740
[05:10] <Jordan_U> phelix: With the exception of proprietary drivers all hardware is configured at every boot, there is nothing to update.
[05:10] <LinuxAdventure> I have a 11 year old laptop that runs on Celeron M 1.5 Ghz single core cpu and 2 GBs or RAM and has 40 GBs HDD. Will Budgie run on that?
[05:11] <gogeta> Jordan_U, he has proptery drivers
[05:11] <phelix> hmm, well something is different because it does not want to boot anymore.
[05:11] <gogeta> phelix, sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
[05:11] <Jordan_U> phelix: Can you boot from an Ubuntu LiveCD/USB (of the same version / flavor of Ubuntu you have installed)?
[05:11] <gogeta> phelix, it should fall back to the open drivers
[05:11] <gogeta> just reboot
[05:12] <xangua> LinuxAdventure: for old laptops maybe no, better stick with xfce or lxde
[05:12] <gogeta> phelix, if that fixes you then you can reinstall
[05:12] <YankDownUnder> (WindowMaker)
[05:12] <gogeta> phelix, the driver
[05:12] <phelix> k let me try that
[05:12] <LinuxAdventure> YankDownUnder, WindowMaker with Ubuntu?
[05:13] <YankDownUnder> LinuxAdventure: Shore-as-shootin...been using it for yonks (years)
[05:13] <LinuxAdventure> I'll try that.
[05:13] <YankDownUnder> Smallest footprint, really...unless you really want to get "bare bones" and use like twm or mwm or olvwm...
[05:14] <implite> matwm2 window manager looks nice... I wonder if i can install that somehow
[05:14] <YankDownUnder> LinuxAdventure: At least it "works well" with all the GTK and KDE schmutz...
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice #ubuntu-discuss channel guys
[05:14] <LinuxAdventure> Lighter than Lubuntu?
[05:14] <SpaceAce> still can't get my graphics drivers working. im truly lost :(
[05:14] <SpaceAce> intel gpu
[05:15] <LinuxAdventure> lotuspsychje, I am leaving now anyway.
[05:15] <YankDownUnder> LinuxAdventure: Yes.
[05:15] <Jordan_U> SpaceAce: What problem were you having with the default drivers?
[05:16] <SpaceAce> kept going black screen
[05:16] <LinuxAdventure> thanks a lot. Bye. Have a great day.
[05:16] <SpaceAce> it's just a simple samba server + htpc. i should rebuild
[05:16] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Something to try - open a terminal and type: sudo ubuntu-drivers [05:17] <SpaceAce> Thanks YankDownUnder, I'll give that a go
[05:17] <implite> FVWM come with ubuntu?
[05:18] <SpaceAce> YankDownUnder, what is the argument at the end?
[05:18] <SpaceAce> ubuntu-drivers: error: the following arguments are required: <command>
[05:18] <YankDownUnder> implite: Yes
[05:18] <OerHeks> !find fvwm
[05:18] <implite> ty!
[05:19] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Don't use one (an arguement) - watch what it says...then you can use: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[05:19] <implite> looks so nice and clean to use
[05:23] <gogeta> phelix, still alive
[05:23] <modonmodo> python-forum
[05:24] <modonmodo> hey guys
[05:24] <modonmodo> I am new to IRC
[05:24] <modonmodo> hey gogeta
[05:25] <OerHeks> hi modonmodo, do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[05:26] <modonmodo> not really I am basically exploring IRC
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !chat | modonmodo
[05:26] <gogeta> there is ##ubuntu-offtopic where you can be socal
[05:26] <modonmodo> okay thanks
[05:33] <ubuntu> folks
[05:33] <ubuntu> hi
[05:33] <OerHeks> :-)
[05:33] <Guest26725> hi all
[05:49] <raj> I just restored my home directory from a backup of an older ubuntu install, and although my username was the same, I'm having permission issues
[05:49] <raj> how do I take ownership of everything in ~?
[05:52] <raj> wow, never seen this place dead
[05:52] <alcidi> hy from France
[05:53] <alcidi> is it the issue day of ubuntu 17.04 ?
[05:53] <raj> lol, really? I just installed 16
[05:53] <alcidi> arf
[05:54] <alcidi> do you know the hour of the issue ?
[05:54] <alcidi> in France it's 8 am
[05:55] <raj> no, sorry
[05:55] <alcidi> because i don't work this morning so I had time to install it
[05:55] <alcidi> :(
[05:55] <alcidi> do you have an adress where i can (could) download it ?
[05:56] <alcidi> i found this address
[05:56] <alcidi> ok
[06:01] <immu> when will 17.04 Ubuntu go live? time?
[06:02] <OerHeks> no time given
[06:02] <OerHeks> between now and 48 hrs ..
[06:03] <alcidi> 48 hours ?  canonical told us april 13th
[06:03] <gogeta> never
[06:04] <OerHeks> alcidi, it happened before, if there is an issue, release will be delayed.
[06:04] <alcidi> ok
[06:04] <OerHeks> so be patient, or join #ubuntu-release-party and you are the 1st to know
[06:05] <alcidi> :)
[06:25] <trent__> i am trying to install slack. i have the file downloaded, when the ubuntu software comes up and i hit install nothing happens
[06:27] <alcidi> slack ? you mean slackware ?
[06:28] <gogeta> lol
[06:28] <gogeta> i dont thing he means slackware
[06:28] <trent__> chatroom
[06:28] <trent__> called slack
[06:28] <alcidi> i didn't know
[06:31] <trent__> no help?
[06:32] <YankDownUnder> Slack?
[06:32] <alcidi> 2
[06:33] <trent__> slack-desktop
[06:33] <YankDownUnder> The only "Slack" I'm aware of is "Slackware" - so, "slack-desktop" means, well, not much, really...
[06:34] <YankDownUnder> ...and don't see it in searching apt...hmm...ah well...onward through the fog...
[06:34] <hateball> trent__: anything you download outside of official repos is also outside of official support
[06:35] <hateball> I am guessing "slack" in this instance is https://slack.com/
[06:35] <trent__> https://transferc.slack.com/downloads/linux'
[06:35] <Guest75153> What happens if i use LVM as a blind User?
[06:36] <EriC^^> Guest75153: you should be ok
[06:36] <trent__> this is lame. i cant figure out how to download anything and there's no help
[06:37] <Guest75153> Should i use LVM in Ubuntu?
[06:40] <YankDownUnder> Guest75153: Do you NEED to use LVM?
[06:40] <Guest75153> Yes, i want to try it.
[06:44] <ducasse> Guest75153: lvm is quite stable and mature, i wouldn't worry.
[06:45] <Guest75153> What can i do if the Ubuntu Live-System hangs?
[06:45] <hateball> I've yet had LVM to fail me
[06:46] <OerHeks> Guest75153, did you check the iso after download?
[06:46] <OerHeks> Guest75153, and did it hang, or are you worried?
[06:47] <Guest75153> No, i haven't checked the ISO File.
[06:56] <raj> is python still supposed to refer to python2 in ubuntu 16?
[06:57] <OerHeks> both python 2 + 3 are available, standard
[06:57] <raj> OerHeks, and which of those does `python` refer to?
[06:59] <OerHeks> depends on the program used, i guess. i hope python3
[07:01] <Guest75153> Can i use an older Ubuntu Version or must i use the newer Version?
[07:02] <OerHeks> Guest75153, use a supported version, 12.04 ( few days), 14.04/16.04/16.10 or wait for 17.04 ( today)
[07:03] <Guest75153> But is Orca Screenreader included in this Version?
[07:03] <OerHeks> Orca is available, yes
[07:04] <OerHeks> Orca can be enabled and disabled using the Alt + Super + S keyboard shortcut
[07:04] <Guest75153> Can i use Ubuntu with an encrypted SSD?
[07:05] <OerHeks> ecrypted by what?
[07:05] <OerHeks> bitlocker no, it takes whole drive
[07:06] <Guest75153> By Luks.
[07:06] <OerHeks> ubuntu supports LVM/luks yes
[07:07] <Guest75153> But does it work for blind Users?
[07:14] <raj> OerHeks, seems to be calling python2
[07:16] <OerHeks> raj, then the code is written for python2
[07:17] <raj> what?
[07:17] <raj> dude, if I do `python --version` it's giving me python2
[07:17] <raj> what are you even talking about?
[07:17] <OerHeks> "what?"
[07:17] <OerHeks> try python3 --version
[07:18] <Guest75153> What does the Terminal Command Touch do?
[07:18] <OerHeks> man touch
[07:18] <raj> obviously python3 gives a python3 version
[07:18] <raj> are you understanding? why is python aliased for python2 instead of python3
[07:18] <raj> ?
[07:18] <raj> Guest75153, it creates a file with the name you have after `touch`
[07:19] <OerHeks> python2 is default, raj
[07:19] <raj> why is python2 still the default, python3 has been out for a very very long time now
[07:19] <Guest75153> Can i use a Ubuntu Live System to repair my Windows if it doesn't boot?
[07:20] <OerHeks> lolz Guest75153, are these questions related to your school homework??
[07:20] <Guest75153> No.
[07:21] <akik> raj: python is python 2
[07:21] <ducasse> Guest75153: no, it's not much help if windows is broken, in most cases.
[07:23] <raj> akik, that will continue for future releases of ubuntu too? including ubuntu 17 which was just released?
[07:23] <akik> raj: i think so
[07:23] <ducasse> raj: it's certainly true for 17.04
[07:24] <raj> thanks for the clarification ducasse
[07:24] <raj> and akik
[07:27] <gogeta> ducasse, not true i rember using a live cd to purge mailware from a windows machine using a linux av and some manual cleaning
[07:28] <gogeta> ducasse, worked to
[07:28] <OerHeks> mailware does not break windows :-D
[07:29] <ducasse> gogeta: i said 'in most cases'. :)
[07:29] <gogeta> OerHeks, so hostel takeover of the os not braking
[07:29] <gogeta> lol
[07:32] <Xatenev_> Hello
[07:32] <Xatenev_> If I want to execute some commands at startup of my pc - what files could I use?
[07:33] <ducasse> Xatenev_: which ubuntu version?
[07:33] <Xatenev_> the newest.
[07:33] <Xatenev_> I don't know the exact version but I just downloaded it an hour ago
[07:34] <ducasse> Xatenev_: what does 'lsb_release -r' say
[07:34] <Xatenev_> 16.04
[07:34] <ducasse> Xatenev_: then you can just put the commands in /etc/rc.local
[07:34] <faugusztin> Xatenev_: sudo systemctl enable rc-local.service and then create/change /etc/rc.local
[07:34] <Xatenev_> what is that file? when odes it get executed
[07:36] <ducasse> Xatenev_: it's run late in the boot process
[07:36] <faugusztin> that depends on how the rc-local.service is configured
[07:36] <Xatenev_> okey
[07:36] <faugusztin> networking is not guaranteed to be working there though
[07:36] <Xatenev_> thanks for the hint - its just some mouse settings though
[07:36] <faugusztin> mouse settings ? for gui ? or command line ?
[07:37] <Xatenev_> Umm for both
[07:37] <Xatenev_> xset stuff
[07:37] <faugusztin> if you talk about GUI stuff, then just add things to Startup Programs
[07:37] <faugusztin> that will be called when you log in
[07:37] <Xatenev_> Where is that?
[07:37] <ducasse> Xatenev_: you can put that in ~/.xsessionrc
[07:37] <faugusztin> just search for Startup programs in your DE of choice
[07:37] <faugusztin> somewhere in settings :)
[07:37] <Xatenev_> Oh thats no folder youi mean
[07:38] <faugusztin> Xatenev_: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/startup-applications.html
[07:38] <Xatenev_> I don't have the GUI editor stuff anymore.
[07:38] <faugusztin> Startup Applications i mean
[07:38] <Xatenev_> Yea I don't have that anymore I guess
[07:38] <faugusztin> yeah, then edit your .sessionrc as ducasse said
[07:39] <Xatenev_> Why not rc.local?
[07:39] <faugusztin> that is also executed after X starts (which is when you log in)
[07:39] <faugusztin> rc.local is for console stuff
[07:39] <Xatenev_> okey
[07:39] <faugusztin> it has no concept of X enviroment
[07:40] <Xatenev_> thanks for the help
[08:00] <datafile4> hello)
[08:02] <OerHeks> hi datafile4
[08:19] <cyrano> anyone up
[08:19] <cyrano> Need a bit of help
[08:19] <ducasse> !ask | cyrano
[08:19] <cyrano> oh sorry
[08:21] <cyrano> I accidentally installed Gallium Nine into mesa, and now for some reason all of my games stopped working. I don't have a GPU, only Intel graphics. Is there any way to restore mesa or remove Gallium Nine?
[08:22] <OerHeks> cyrano, how did you install Gallium Nine?? from a PPA?
[08:23] <Johnson1977_> I am on ubuntu 16.04, but I want to install a packing found in Zesty
[08:23] <Johnson1977_> How can I do this?
[08:23] <hateball> Johnson1977_: Upgrade to Zesty
[08:23] <cyrano> Yeah from a ppa, I wanted to play Mechwarrior Living Legends on wine Smoothly :b
[08:23] <Johnson1977_> I want to install a specific package [nut_2.7.4]
[08:23] <hateball> !ppa-purge | cyrano
[08:23] <OerHeks> cyrano, use ppa-purge
[08:23] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[08:24] <OerHeks> Johnson1977_, wait a few hours, Zesty will be released today
[08:24] <k1l> Johnson1977_: one doesnt mix packages from different releases on ubuntu.
[08:24] <hateball> Johnson1977_: Then you'll need to look for a backport, PPA or compile it yourself, if you are not going to upgrade Ubuntu
[08:24] <k1l> Johnson1977_: what ubuntu are you on?
[08:24] <k1l> ah 16.04, sorry
[08:25] <Johnson1977_> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[08:25] <k1l> Johnson1977_: do you need that specific version?
[08:25] <Johnson1977_> I really need that updated package, since it fixes a bug
[08:26] <k1l> Johnson1977_: are you sure that is not patched in the ubuntu 16.04 version?
[08:26] <Johnson1977_> I saw a PPA, but thought the official version is better
[08:26] <k1l> Johnson1977_: ubuntu fixes bugs and security issues not by increasing the version number
[08:27] <Johnson1977_> O how then?
[08:27] <k1l> they recompile the "old" version with the patches that fix the bugs.
[08:28] <Johnson1977_> o ok
[08:28] <k1l> so you dont need to look at new versions, but if that bug is actually fixed
[08:28] <Johnson1977_> Ill look a bit more to be sure
[08:28] <Johnson1977_> otherwise ill try the ppa the specificly addresses the bug I have
[08:29] <Xatenev_> Hi
[08:29] <Xatenev_> Does anybody use i3?
[08:30] <k1l> Johnson1977_: if you still have the bug on 16.04, then report that bug on launchpad.net or see if there is one already. then the maintainer can try to see if he can recompile the program.
[08:30] <ducasse> Xatenev_: just ask your question
[08:30] <hateball> !bug | Johnson1977_
[08:30] <Xatenev_> A colleague has the problem that workspace 1 is not appearing
[08:30] <Xatenev_> On PC start - it starts with workspace 2 for monitor 1 and workspace 3 for monitor 2
[08:31] <Xatenev_> Wtf could be wrong there lol
[08:31] <ducasse> Xatenev_: watch the language, please. is there anything in the config that switches to certain workspaces on startup?
[08:31] <frib> when tryng to copy files from my android device I Get "mtperror could not get file from device" but googling indicates that mtp should work oob ?
[08:31] <Xatenev_> nope
[08:31] <Xatenev_> fresh install
[08:32] <Johnson1977_> Ok will do
[08:32] <ducasse> Xatenev_: what if he tries switching to 1 on monitor 2?
[08:33] <Xatenev_> Nothing
[08:33] <Johnson1977_> this is the bug I am refereing to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nut/+bug/1540008
[08:33] <Xatenev_> When trying to use i3-msg workspace 1
[08:33] <Xatenev_> it says "success true"
[08:33] <Xatenev_> but nothing happens.
[08:33] <Xatenev_> I feel like i3 thinks theres a 3rd monitor or something
[08:33] <Johnson1977_> it says there: Patch for xenial ?
[08:33] <ducasse> Xatenev_: the workspace icon on the bar does not change?
[08:33] <Xatenev_> nope
[08:33] <Johnson1977_> can I install that patch directly? Or must I do it through the ppa?
[08:34] <ducasse> Xatenev_: ok, try asking in #i3
[08:34] <Xatenev_> Doing that alrdy
[08:34] <Xatenev_> :p
[08:34] <Xatenev_> In the ubuntu monitor settings stuff from unity
[08:34] <ducasse> Xatenev_: don't crosspost.
[08:34] <Xatenev_> there is: Built-In Desktop Desktop 1 and Desktop 2
[08:34] <Xatenev_> What is built-in desktop?
[08:36] <cyrano> Okay, I did "sudo ppa-purge -o oibaf -p gallium-nine", but when i look at my mesa version, it still reads "2.1 Mesa 17.1.0-devel (git-d9b25ff 2017-01-28 xenial-oibaf-ppa+gallium-nine)." Is there something I'm missing?
[08:36] <Xatenev_> ducasse, You have an idea what that is?
[08:36] <k1l> cyrano: reboot
[08:37] <ducasse> Xatenev_: you're getting help in #i3, i'm not going to be asking the same questions they are. check the output of xrandr, though.
[08:39] <noob2017> hello, please help me. Not able to launch Synaptic Package Manager in Xubuntu DE.
[08:39] <k1l> noob2017: what is the errormessage?
[08:39] <donofrio> help, cannot install anbox floowing this step https://www.xda-developers.com/anbox-allows-you-to-run-android-apps-on-any-gnulinux-os/ but snap install returns "error cannot install anbox-installer snap not found";(
[08:40] <noob2017> It doesn't give any error message.
[08:40] <noob2017> Just won't open.
[08:40] <noob2017> when I try to launch it from menu.
[08:40] <k1l> noob2017: open a terminal and run "synaptic" there
[08:41] <cyrano> I rebooted, oibaf/gallium-nine is still in my repositories list for some reason and my mesa version is the same
[08:41] <ducasse> donofrio: which ubuntu
[08:41] <k1l> cyrano: so ppapurge did not work? did it show a error?
[08:41] <Xatenev_> ducasse, When connecting all monitors with the on-board graphic card it works.. funny
[08:41] <Xatenev_> ^^
[08:41] <noob2017> k1l, it opens through terminal. Not from menu.
[08:42] <noob2017> k1l, why?
[08:42] <donofrio> lubuntu 17.04 just downloaded this morning
[08:42] <noob2017> I have Ubuntu Mate installed. It opens there and in Lubuntu DE, but not in Xubuntu DE.
[08:42] <cyrano> Yes, it showed me some lines of error, "Updating packages lists
[08:42] <cyrano> W: GPG error: http://packages.linuxmint.com maya Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3EE67F3D0FF405B2
[08:42] <cyrano> W: The repository 'http://packages.linuxmint.com maya Release' is not signed.
[08:42] <cyrano> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/atareao/atareao/ubuntu xenial InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6A9653F936FD5529
[08:43] <cyrano> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/atareao/atareao/ubuntu xenial InRelease' is not signed.
[08:43] <cyrano> W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_16.04  Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A7D1D38BEB6D886
[08:43] <ducasse> donofrio: does 'snap find anbox' list it?
[08:43] <noob2017> k1l, please fix that bug.
[08:44] <k1l> donofrio: it does find it on my 17.04. so please be very specific what the issue is there
[08:45] <k1l> sorry got to leave
[08:45] <cyrano_> Yes it shows error
[08:46] <ducasse> !paste | cyrano_
[08:46] <ducasse> !mint | cyrano_ also this
[08:47] <cyrano_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24373045/
[08:48] <cyrano_> Oh, also I have no idea why I have a linux mint repository
[08:48] <cyrano_> I am running Ubuntu MATE
[08:48] <donofrio> ducasse, "the sear 'anbox' returned 0 snaps"
[08:49] <ThePendulum> 'lo
[08:49] <ThePendulum> err nvm, using 15.10, no point in asking here >.>
[08:49] <ducasse> cyrano_: pastebin the full output of 'apt update'
[08:50] <vir0s> Hi, today new release of ubuntu 17.04 !
[08:50] <ThePendulum> vir0s: not the final is it?
[08:50] <ThePendulum> oh it is
[08:51] <ThePendulum> that leaves me curious if my display issue has finally been addressed, but I doubt it. maybe today will be the day I downgrade to 14.04 instead :(
[08:52] <ducasse> ThePendulum: that would be a lot better than running 15.10
[08:52] <vir0s> ThePendulum its the stable release
[08:53] <donofrio> ducasse, it says it found 0 snaps
[08:53] <vir0s> 16.04 more powerful than 15.10
[08:53] <cyrano_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24373064/
[08:53] <ThePendulum> it would've been even better if amd didn't retire fglrx before amdgpu worked properly
[08:53] <ThePendulum>  /radeon
[08:53] <ducasse> donofrio: all i can tell you is that it is found here. does it find other snaps?
[08:54] <ThePendulum> vir0s: it's just a bit inconvenient that on 16.04 I'm forced to use my second full-HD monitor on 1024×768 to get any image at all
[08:55] <raj> is pip for python2 or 3 used when I type `pip`?
[08:55] <raj> and how do I specify the other?
[08:56] <ducasse> cyrano_: do yourself a favor and reinstall, and don't add ten thousand ppas.
[08:56] <ducasse> raj: same way as with python
[08:56] <raj> pip2 and pip3?
[08:56] <raj> k got it, thanks
[08:57] <cyrano_> So I'm not able to reinstall mesa at this point?
[08:57] <ducasse> cyrano_: your system is a horrible mess, to be honest. it's a frankenbuntu at this point.
[08:58] <donofrio> ducasse, I do not see too many snaps this is fresh 17.04 install from lubuntu iso I downloaded 2 hours ago.  when I did snap install hello-word it had to download 75mb core file then it intsalled it but when I do snap list, i only see core and hello-world
[08:59] <ducasse> donofrio: wait for it to download the full index
[08:59] <cyrano_> Ah man, I really don't have time to reinstall because of college...well thanks anyways
[09:00] <raj> these instructions say to have ~/.local/bin in my path, but 1) I don't even have that directory, and 2) what's supposed to be in there? https://cookiecutter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation.html#adjust-your-path
[09:01] <donofrio> ducasse, screen looks like apaste.info/qIgR - how doI force the index download?
[09:01] <ducasse> raj: user-specific binaries/scripts
[09:03] <ducasse> donofrio: try 'sudo systemctl restart snapd.refresh.service'
[09:04] <ducasse> donofrio: if that doesn't work just wait for it to update.
[09:10] <raj> thanks ducasse
[09:10] <raj> if I do apt-get remove it seems to be leaving the dependencies. How do I remove the unused dependencies that were installed as well?
[09:11] <ducasse> raj: apt autoremove
[09:11] <raj> sudo apt-get autoremove?
[09:11] <ducasse> raj: apt or apt-get
[09:12] <ren0v0> tried to install something frmo software center, told i can't unless i sign up, wtf?
[09:12] <ducasse> !language | ren0v0
[09:13] <ducasse> ren0v0: certain snaps require an account to install
[09:13] <raj> ducasse, is apt an alias for apt-get?
[09:14] <ren0v0> ducasse, why
[09:14] <ducasse> raj: no, it's another apt frontend with functionality from apt-get/apt-cache and other things
[09:14] <raj> is it the preferred way now?
[09:14] <ducasse> ren0v0: because some of them cost money etc
[09:15] <ren0v0> ducasse, and what about the free ones
[09:15] <ren0v0> whos decision is it
[09:15] <ducasse> ren0v0: use the snap command line tool instead, it will only require login for the ones who cost money
[09:16] <ducasse> ren0v0: the decision is the developers
[09:16] <ren0v0> ive never even heard of this snap, i'm just trying to installed "easytag" that i've had installed previously. Not only did it force me to sign up and sign in, it gave a system error and i can't find the software in dash
[09:16] <ren0v0> ubuntu is great before software in the repos works
[09:17] <ren0v0> allowing devs to force sign up is stupid, and not only that the software is broken
[09:17] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[09:17] <ren0v0> also it requires me to sign in to REMOVE it!
[09:17] <ducasse> ren0v0: easytag is in the apt repos, just use 'sudo apt install easytag'
[09:18] <ren0v0> ducasse, just realised this was gnome-easytag, with the same logo
[09:19] <Chunkyz> what time is 17.04 going to be released in the UK?
[09:20] <ikevin> never, no 17.04 for UK :]
[09:21] <Chunkyz> ikevin, .... lol
[09:23] <Chunkyz> anyone got a serious answer?
[09:24] <ducasse> Chunkyz: "when it's ready"
[09:24] <Chunkyz> ducasse, so no eta?
[09:24] <ducasse> Chunkyz: nope
[09:26] <Chunkyz> are you an op or just guessing ducasse ?
[09:26] <ducasse> not an op, but i still know that for a fact.
[09:27] <un2him_> Chunkyz: there is never an eta.  Each new release you just keep an eye on the web page or on the #ubuntu-release-party channel
[09:27] <ducasse> Chunkyz: the release team always drops a release whenever they're ready.
[09:28] <Chunkyz> thanks un2him_
[09:28] <root____5> hai
[09:30] <root____5> ada yg dari indonesia k??
[09:30] <ducasse> !id | root____5
[09:31] <aot> how is it possible that i get "name or service not known when "ssh localhost" and I have openssh-server installed
[09:31] <Eightynine> I have flickering when using browser how to fix that?
[09:31] <ducasse> Eightynine: which browser?
[09:32] <root____5> lupa password login ubuntu ada yg bisa bantu k??
[09:32] <Eightynine> Chromium.
[09:32] <ducasse> root____5: /join #ubuntu-id
[09:33] <ducasse> Eightynine: when scrolling, playing videos or what?
[09:33] <Eightynine> When scrolling and playing videos.
[09:33] <ducasse> Eightynine: which gpu and driver?
[09:38] <aot> i have ssh process runnign but netstat -tupan | grep 22 doesn't give anything hmm
[09:41] <OerHeks> ♫ is it out yet ?
[09:44] <wildpenguin> hello, please help me. I am not able to launch Synaptic Package Manager from the menu.
[09:45] <OerHeks> what happens when you do, crazytux ?
[09:45] <wildpenguin> when I click on the menu item, there is no response. I have Ubuntu Mate installed and Xubuntu DE on it. This menu item doesn't work in Xubuntu DE.
[09:46] <wildpenguin> it doesn't launch Synaptic Package Manager.
[09:48] <wildpenguin> can somebody please help me?
[09:48] <un2him_> wildpenguin: I am googling it now for you
[09:49] <wildpenguin> I have don't that too.
[09:49] <wildpenguin> But, didn't get any workable solution.
[09:49] <OerHeks> synaptic has no configfile in ~/.config, reinstall might fix things perhaps?
[09:50] <wildpenguin> ok. Then, I will have to reinstall it?
[09:53] <wildpenguin> but, strangely, I can launch Synaptic when I log into Lubuntu Desktop and Mate Desktop.
[09:54] <matthew__> \
[09:54] <wildpenguin> is there any conflict between there DEs?
[09:54] <un2him_> wildpenguin: how about this link...http://askubuntu.com/questions/185755/synaptic-package-manager-doesnt-launch-from-the-application-menu
[09:55] <wildpenguin> I have tried the solutions given there. Didn't work.
[09:56] <un2him_> wildpenguin: well, I guess I would try the reinstallation option.
[09:57] <nickerp> printer is detected but doesn't print. What should I check? (electricity, power on etc I already did)
[09:57] <Galahad2017> 17.04 out yet?
[09:57] <un2him_> Galahad2017: not yet
[09:57] <wildpenguin> but, when I try to uninstall it it asks for uninstalling Lubuntu Desktop too.
[09:58] <SpaceAce> can i update to 17.04 early ?
[09:59] <un2him_> wildpenguin: what command are you using to try to uninstall it?
[09:59] <OerHeks> SpaceAce, i don't think so, but you can try ?
[09:59] <wildpenguin> It says Lubuntu Desktop and Gnome Update manager also need to be removed it I have to remove Synaptic
[09:59] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[09:59] <Galahad2017> thanks all!
[09:59] <wildpenguin> I launched Ubuntu Software Centre for that.
[10:01] <wildpenguin> plz suggest an option to reinstall Synaptic without removing Lubuntu Desktop and the Update Manager.
[10:02] <un2him_> wildpenguin: try sudo apt-get --purge remove synaptic
[10:03] <EriC^^> SpaceAce: yes if you want, sudo do-release-upgrade -d , backup yor program list and stuff first
[10:03] <SpaceAce> thanks EriC^^. It's a machine i was going to do a full restall on anyway, everything backed up
[10:04] <SpaceAce> EriC^^, do i need to add it to a sourcefile?
[10:04] <SpaceAce> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[10:04] <SpaceAce> No new release found
[10:04] <SpaceAce> (the output)
[10:05] <ducasse> SpaceAce: set 'update to any new release' in update manager
[10:05] <SpaceAce> ah ok
[10:05] <EriC^^> SpaceAce: yes modify Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:05] <EriC^^> or do what ducasse said
[10:06] <SpaceAce> thanks guys, i just did it from shell. it was set to lts
[10:06] <muhmmad> hey
[10:06] <muhmmad> whats up
[10:07] <ClydeSlims> Ubuntu newbie. Tried installing ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso to my machine via USB unetbootin. After installation, tried to launch it and got an error at the start: "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." I set the mount point as "/". Not sure what I did wrong.
[10:07] <Galahad2017> SpaceAce: is 17.04 final release candidate available now?
[10:07] <Galahad2017> SpaceAce: i'm on 16.10 right now
[10:07] <SpaceAce> I'm on 16.04, myself
[10:08] <Chunkyz> ClydeSlims, use rufus on windows and dd on linux, unetbootin is crap.
[10:08] <SpaceAce> just trying to upgrade to attempt to fix my intel gpu issues
[10:08] <Galahad2017> anyone know if we upgrade to 17.04 beta if it will upgrade to 17.04 final release?
[10:09] <ClydeSlims> Chunkyz, okay
[10:09] <ClydeSlims> Is it possible to watch YouTube while I'm installing ubuntu via the Try Ubuntu option at boot?
[10:09] <EriC^^> ClydeSlims: yeah that should work
[10:09] <EriC^^> Galahad2017: yes when 17.04 comes out you should have the same os
[10:10] <matthew__> ClydeSlims i did the same thing.lol
[10:10] <Galahad2017> EriC^^: thanks. so if i want 17.04 beta, what do i run? updater-manager from RUn window?
[10:11] <ducasse> Galahad2017: add -d
[10:11] <Galahad2017> ducasse: what does -d do?
[10:11] <EriC^^> Galahad2017: in software and updates select show any new release then in the terminal type "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[10:11] <ducasse> Galahad2017: 'development'
[10:12] <OerHeks> -d = development, i would wait a few hours ..
[10:12] <dmidma> -d???
[10:12] <dmidma> Ah okay
[10:12] <Galahad2017> 0erHeks: thanks i probably should wait for final release
[10:12] <KrisDouglas_> ClydeSlims, use rufus, I have had no end of trouble with unetbootin
[10:13] <Galahad2017> ok so last question for now: virtualbox - install now or after 17.04 upgrade?
[10:13] <SpaceAce> ClydeSlims, can I also recommend https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[10:13] <Galahad2017> i want to have fedora/redhat OS running in VM for learning environment
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:14] <KrisDouglas_> Galahad2017, it shouldn't make much difference, I see no problem installing it now
[10:14] <Galahad2017> ClydeSlims: rufus works well
[10:15] <Galahad2017> KrisDouglas_: thanks :)
[10:15] <ClydeSlims> Galahad2017, alright
[10:15] <un2him_> ClydeSlims: I think Rufus is windows only, fwiw
[10:15] <ClydeSlims> un2him_, good thing I'm using windows :)
[10:15] <KrisDouglas_> un2him_, ClydeSlims, it is indeed
[10:16] <un2him_> 😄
[10:17] <rud0lf> is it the right channel to ask about suggestion for a lightweight email client that supports gmail?
[10:18] <faugusztin> rud0lf: sylpheed. but i guess it depends what you consider lightweight :)
[10:18] <Galahad2017> rud0lf: i usually use inbox.google.com
[10:18] <rud0lf> thx
[10:18] <faugusztin> everything can support gmail if you enable IMAP or POP
[10:19] <Galahad2017> rud0lf:free email client is probably thunderbird if u need one quick
[10:23] <un2him_> Starting to propagate now...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/zesty/release/
[10:23] <un2him_> Not all files are there yet though
[10:24] <OerHeks> Galahad2017, 17.04 is out... http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/
[10:25] <smerz> added all torrents to my gbit box (NL)
[10:25] <smerz> not well seeded yet. damn sloow :p
[10:31] <cagliostro> hi
[10:32] <Galahad2017> OerHeks: un2him_ : thanks!
[10:33] <Galahad2017> so how do i install 17.04 - update-manager now?
[10:33] <Galahad2017> i'm on 16.10
[10:33] <smerz> tbh i'd wait hehe
[10:36] <ducasse> Galahad2017: wait until your mirror has it
[10:36] <Galahad2017> ducasse: i'm on us mirror. how to check?
[10:37] <ducasse> Galahad2017: try upgrading. if it doesn't find it try later.
[10:37] <Galahad2017> ducasse: ok apt-get upgrade?
[10:38] <ducasse> Galahad2017: do-release-upgrade, but do a normal full update first.
[10:38] <ducasse> Galahad2017: and read the release notes
[10:39] <Galahad2017> ducasse: i don't remember all the commands. apt-get update, then sudo do-release-upgrade?
[10:39] <ducasse> Galahad2017: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[10:40] <Galahad2017> ducasse: thanks reading now
[10:40] <ducasse> Galahad2017: 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[10:43] <Galahad2017> ducasse: ran both. now what to do.  release notes say update-manager -c but that finds no new version
[10:44] <EriC^^> Galahad2017: in software and updates select show any new release
[10:45] <ducasse> Galahad2017: i told you - wait.
[10:46] <Galahad2017> ducasse: what else can i do - i'm waiting :)
[10:47] <Galahad2017> EriC^^: i set to 'any new release' also set other updates to 'display immediately'
[10:47] <Galahad2017> EriC^^: "i still haven't found what i'm looking for"
[10:47] <ducasse> Galahad2017: it actually takes time for images to propagate to all mirrors, what's the hurry?
[10:47] <ducasse> Galahad2017: the same for repo updates.
[10:47] <Galahad2017> ducasse: been waiting a long time for this release that's all.  also have work in 3 hours
[10:48] <ducasse> Galahad2017: then upgrade when you get home :)
[10:49] <Galahad2017> ducasse: sooner the better. i need VMs up and running to learn VM & other linux OS for work
[10:49] <Galahad2017> ducasse: the sooner the better
[10:50] <ducasse> Galahad2017: you're not going to learn that in three hours ;)
[10:51] <Galahad2017> ducasse: you may be surprised what a person can do in three hours
[10:52] <ducasse> Galahad2017: if you really can't wait, try changing mirrors.
[10:52] <Galahad2017> ducasse: u rock thanks man
[10:53] <sveinse> Is there an overview anywhere of the Ubuntu systemd services? I'm writing a service, and I am wondering what I should put as startpoint/prerequisite for it.
[10:53] <sveinse> 16.04 in my case
[10:54] <EriC^^> !systemd | sveinse
[10:54] <ducasse> sveinse: maybe in the server guide?
[10:55] <EriC^^> sveinse: systemd-analyze blame should show the services a little
[10:57] <sveinse> EriC^^: Thaks, to cut to the chase, do you know what an ordinary generic network based service should use for Want or After, to ensure that it does not start too early?
[10:58] <omgubuntu17> what's the status of ubuntu 17?
[10:58] <ducasse> sveinse: i would use 'After=network.target'
[10:58] <teer> I want to install ubuntu in my desktop, but I need to use flash plugin. Is it possible use browsers with flash in ubuntu ? I have Vista now, and I use Chrome with flash inside.
[10:59] <omgubuntu17> do-release-upgrade says no new release found
[10:59] <EriC^^> omgubuntu17: almost released, the mirrors are getting it still
[10:59] <ducasse> omgubuntu17: it's propagating to the mirrors
[10:59] <EriC^^> teer: yes
[10:59] <omgubuntu17> kk, ty
[10:59] <teer> EriC^^: ok, what way ?
[11:00] <EriC^^> !flash | teer
[11:00] <Galahad2017_> how do i run this command? /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk  - "sudo ./usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk"?
[11:01] <EriC^^> Galahad2017_: gksu /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[11:02] <Galahad2017_> EriC^^: thanks trying now
[11:02] <teer> ok, Instaling flash plugin is solution, but is there possibility use browser with flash inside ?
[11:02] <ducasse> teer: chrome
[11:02] <Galahad2017_> EriC^^: requires gksu to be installed. gksu a package manager?
[11:02] <ducasse> teer: but it's dropping flash soon aiui.
[11:03] <EriC^^> Galahad2017_: yeah, sudo apt install gksu
[11:03] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: not a package manager, just a package :)
[11:03] <Guest17554> Hey guys, I need a suggestion. Now that Ubuntu is going to switch to GNOME 3 from 18.04 onwards, should I switch to Ubuntu GNOME right away?
[11:04] <rud0lf> faugusztin: thank you again for a hint about mail client. i love it! :)
[11:04] <immu> Guest17554: you have one whole year to decide
[11:04] <MCMic> https://paste.opensides.be/?9ae65a672b86e8f5#nx+mDdhAm8EBd+0iFvnsGksRXOq746gc/2YtQ/V1Ijw= Does anyone knows why a package available in the second repo returned by the second command does not appear in the first one?
[11:05] <ikonia> MCMic: what you are saying doesn't make any sense
[11:05] <MCMic> (Well I mean it should be available in a more recent version than what is showed)
[11:05] <ikonia> MCMic: the second command doesn't list a package
[11:05] <MCMic> No it lists the repos
[11:06] <ikonia> right ? what's the problem ?
[11:06] <ikonia> it's just listing repos
[11:06] <MCMic> And the repo «https://integration.fusiondirectory.org/repos/fixes-releases/debian/fusiondirectory-120-fixes-jessie» should contain the package fusiondirectory
[11:06] <ducasse> MCMic: the repo probably calls the package something else
[11:06] <MCMic> Nope
[11:06] <ikonia> am I missing something ?
[11:06] <ikonia> you have a package installed from universe, and the policy shows that
[11:06] <MCMic> Yes
[11:06] <ikonia> what's the problem ?
[11:06] <MCMic> It does not show the version available on the other repo
[11:07] <Guest17554> immu: Ha ha, well said. Thing is, I disliked Unity from the start. But GNOME 3 is  big resource hog on Ubuntu (or so I hear). Guess I'll stick to Ubuntu Mate for now.
[11:07] <ikonia> MCMic: "JESSIE"
[11:07] <ikonia> MCMic: thats a debian release
[11:07] <MCMic> (Which is newer so should be installed by upgrade)
[11:07] <ikonia> not an ubuntu release,
[11:07] <Guest43873> I want to install ubuntu alongside Windows with LVM. Does this work?
[11:07] <Galahad2017_> EriC^^: i installed and uninstalled gksu. i don't want that
[11:07] <teer> I ask because I think about security, If I use plugin installer what about updates it. Can it be updated together with system ?
[11:07] <MCMic> So I need to declare the repo in an other way?
[11:07] <Galahad2017_> EriC^^: still not displaying the update though
[11:07] <ikonia> MCMic: declare the repo ?
[11:07] <Guest17554> Still, I loved the look of GNOME 3. Hope Ubuntu integration will make it snappier and better. :)
[11:07] <MCMic> ikonia: You say the problem is the repo is tagged as jessie, or did I misunderstand?
[11:08] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: you need that if you're going to run gui apps with root privileges (which you shouldn't do)
[11:08] <ikonia> MCMic: the first "Comment" I'm making is that the repo you have installed for UBUNTU is referencing a DEBIAN release
[11:08] <MCMic> Yeah I know that
[11:08] <MCMic> But it worked fine before
[11:08] <wildpenguin> hello, I am not able to launch Synaptic Package manager in Xubuntu DE.
[11:09] <teer> opera for ubuntu has flash inside ?
[11:09] <wildpenguin> can anybody suggest a solution for it?
[11:09] <ducasse> teer: no
[11:09] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: see what i learned in 15 min :)
[11:09] <immu> Guest17554: hold on for now.
[11:10] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: you knew what i meant, though ;)
[11:11] <ducasse> MCMic: another thing is that we don't support third-part repos, so we can't tell you much about it
[11:11] <MCMic> ducasse: How can I list packages available in a repo with apt?
[11:12] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: time is relative when learning. this three hour window is taking forever :)
[11:12] <MCMic> ducasse: And is there any way to run apt update but force the update (because right now it just says «Hit» on the repo when I run apt update)
[11:13] <ducasse> MCMic: afaik you need to look at the package list
[11:13] <MCMic> Where is that stored?
[11:13] <EriC^^> MCMic: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages
[11:14] <ducasse> MCMic: /var/lib/apt somewhere i think, or /var/lib/dpkg
[11:14] <teer> After I installed flash by using flashplugin-installer , do I need update it manually or it can be done automatically ?
[11:14] <MCMic> Ok lists are empty for this repo
[11:15] <MCMic> EriC^^: ducasse: If I delete those will apt update get them ?
[11:15] <EriC^^> teer: it's done automatically
[11:15] <EriC^^> MCMic: yeah
[11:16] <teer> EriC^^: ok it's important to get updates automatically when the system is updating. thnx
[11:16] <MCMic> EriC^^: Way better, thanks!
[11:17] <Galahad2017_> how to check my mirror's status?
[11:17] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: 'apt update'
[11:18] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: only showing yaketty InRelease
[11:20] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: to check for new release you use do-release-upgrade
[11:26] <ubuntu> jkgdfg
[11:26] <Guest58741> oke
[11:27] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: yea no update found with "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[11:28] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: so the mirror hasn't got it yet.
[11:28] <Galahad2017_> any way to check which mirror has it?
[11:28] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: test them, one after the other.
[11:28] <Galahad2017_> i tried main server, us mirror and nl mirror
[11:29] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: why dont you just upgrade with -d?
[11:29] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: if i do the development upgrade - do i need to upgrade again to final release?
[11:29] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: you just do a normal update.
[11:30] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: i see. so installing beta (-d) won't derail my upgrade path for 17.04 and above?
[11:31] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: it will upgrade you to what the mirror has for zesty now. at some point later, the few remaining updates that were made today will be addeed.
[11:33] <brandonx> hi! what time can we expect the new release? utc for example.
[11:34] <EriC^^> brandonx: it's been released
[11:34] <brandonx> really? well, this is awkward then
[11:35] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: ok so it looks like if i can get the iso i should be able to run the upgrade from a usb boot stick
[11:36] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: that will be a new install.
[11:37] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: i'm looking at an old screenshot of 10.04 to 11.04 usb boot stick. it offers option to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 from the boot stick menu
[11:37] <Galahad2017_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/12909/how-do-i-upgrade-to-the-development-release-aka-ubuntu1
[11:38] <ikonia> thats not the way to do it
[11:38] <Galahad2017_> because http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/ has the iso
[11:38] <bubii> Hello Ive problems installing mysql-server  /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.7_5.7.17-0ubuntu0.16.04.2_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:38] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: "There are no offline upgrade options for Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[11:38] <bubii> I tried: sudo apt-get install mysql-server and get above error
[11:39] <ikonia> Galahad2017_: why not just wait for the repos to update
[11:39] <marvin2> how can I make third and fourth button work as back/foward buttons (if there's no such thing as generic back/forward that works across programs then I'd like to bind it to M-left and M-right)
[11:39] <marvin2> mouse button
[11:39] <ioria> bubii, same here
[11:39] <Galahad2017_> ducasse: is that what it meant? i thought it meant u just have to be online to download files
[11:39] <Galahad2017_> ikonia: taking forever
[11:39] <bubii> ioria: how to fix? i looked all the askubuntu answers but no success
[11:40] <ioria> bubii, well, i had that ptoble upgrading, not installing ...
[11:40] <ioria> *problem
[11:40] <ducasse> marvin2: try xbindkeys
[11:40] <bubii> ioria: how did u fix?
[11:40] <ikonia> Galahad2017_: what is ?
[11:40] <pixy> hello. any idea a possible solution for memory leak in caja in Ubuntu-mate?
[11:41] <SpaceAce> ah help, i upgraded to 16.10 and ethernet stopped working
[11:41] <ikonia> pixy: log a bug and get the code fixed
[11:41] <Galahad2017_> ikonia: how to download and install 17.04 now
[11:41] <ikonia> pixy: or fix it yourself and submit a patch
[11:41] <ikonia> Galahad2017_: wait for the repos to complete teh sync
[11:41] <ioria> bubii,  i ran dpkg --configure -a, but with no luck, then apt autoremove, then purge mysql-server and mysql-server-5.7
[11:41] <ikonia> Galahad2017_: there should be an official release announcement, wait for that
[11:41] <Galahad2017_> SpaceAce: try restarting network manager. let me find the command
[11:42] <bubii> ioria: but how did you install it?
[11:42] <oerheks> found the 1st bug, microsoft fonts refuse to download .. still not fixed
[11:42] <Galahad2017_> SpaceAce: sudo service networking restart
[11:42] <ioria> bubii, after the operations above, i reinstalled
[11:42] <SpaceAce> thanks Galahad2017_, i'll try
[11:45] <bubii> ioria: i did the same now it works but i dont know why :))
[11:45] <ioria> bubii,  lol
[11:45] <bubii> ioria: thank yu very much!
[11:46] <ioria> bubii,  no problem
[11:48] <marvin2> xev only reports first three buttons, but not fourth and fifth button that I'd like to bind to back/forward
[11:49] <ioria> oerheks, ttf-mscorefonts-installer, you mean ?
[11:49] <marvin2> do I need to get new mouse drivers or configure existing ones?
[11:50] <oerheks> ioria, yes .. that thingy does adobe-flashplugin too ... odd
[11:50] <ioria> oerheks,  adobe-flashplugin ???
[11:53] <oerheks> ioria, yes, i try to 'reinstall' that ttf thingy through synaptic ..
[11:53] <oerheks> http://imgur.com/a/soXb1
[11:55] <ducasse> marvin2: what kind of mouse is this?
[11:56] <marvin2> ducasse very old logitech. 8 year old at least
[11:56] <marvin2> usb
[11:56] <ioria> oerheks, for ttf-mscorefonts-installer  you may need to manually install from the debian repo
[11:57] <ducasse> i have a logitech that actually sends keypresses instead of button events on the thumb buttons, needs an out-of-tree kernel module
[11:58] <ioria> oerheks,  wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/ttf-mscorefonts-installer_3.6_all.deb
[11:58] <oerheks> ioria, i know about the bug in 16.04 .. still not fixed :-(
[11:58] <ioria> oerheks,  yeah
[11:58] <MT_H4CKED> I know one thing...
[11:59] <tsglove> gracity weights heavy
[11:59] <oerheks> and i refuse to install the debian package .. i don't need ttf i guess, no strange pages sofar, nor strange behaviour in apps
[11:59] <MT_H4CKED> my display settings doesn't work correct
[12:00] <ioria> oerheks,  pulled in by flashplugin-installer ?
[12:01] <oerheks> ioria, flashplugin is part of the restricted extras, but it surprised me that reinstalling ttf thingy does this
[12:01] <ioria> oerheks,  oh, i see
[12:02] <oerheks> ioria, sofar my list of 'standards' http://paste.ubuntu.com/24373631/
[12:07] <Galahad2017_> question: if i upgrade to 17.04 do i get the swap file functionality (does it remove my huge swap partition?)
[12:12] <immu> ISO's have gone live
[12:13] <ducasse> Galahad2017_: no
[12:15] <SpaceAce> got my networking back up, but still can't get hardware rendering working on my intel gpu
[12:15] <SpaceAce> grrr
[12:17] <kaili> Hello. Using ubuntu 17.04 (it was the same with older version anyway), I'm trying to use my hdmi port to my screen. It works at 1920x1080@60hz but not at 2560x1440@60hz (optimal external screen resolution). It works using Windows. I believe the problem is the refresh rate, ubuntu must be trying 25560x1440@60hz but I believe it should be 59hz (otherwise getting "no signal" message on screen)
[12:17] <kaili> Anyone knows where I can play a bit with refresh rate ?
[12:18] <immu> ubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[12:18] <cgt> seeeeeeeeeeeed
[12:19] <ducasse> kaili: 'man xrandr'
[12:20] <SpaceAce> alright i'm seeding the torrent
[12:20] <SpaceAce> http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/
[12:22] <sspencer> Props to Ubuntu Budgie team for updating their blog and downloads page for 17.04
[12:23] <marvin3> why does chrome look different than other programs on ubuntu? it is using kde gui (and there's no gnome version?)
[12:24] <stagiaire> ro
[12:25] <hateball> marvin3: it uses its own aurora toolkit
[12:25] <cgt> marvin3: Chrome looks different everywhere.
[12:26] <marvin3> any way to force chrome's close/etc window buttons to be on the left?
[12:26] <cgt> marvin3: Try setting the "use system titlebar" option in Chrome.
[12:28] <marvin3> cgt that did it. thanks
[12:29] <anos> yo
[12:29] <jkjkm> have they got rid of menu sepataros in gnome 3.24 ot that os just a buggy theme?
[12:30] <Galahad2017_> can someone confirm - to get rid of swap partition and use the swap file feature i need a clean install of 17.04?
[12:30] <oerheks> Galahad2017_, yes
[12:30] <Galahad2017_> oerheks: thanks. downloading iso right now
[12:30] <Galahad2017_> oerheks: any idea how long install takes?
[12:31] <oerheks> depends on your system specs, 15 minutes with ssd?
[12:31] <Galahad2017_> oerheks: ssd it is.thanks!
[12:31] <jkjkm> why clean insta;;?
[12:31] <kaili> ducasse: it doesn't listen to me. Using : xrandr --output DP-2 -s 2560x1440 -r 59
[12:31] <hateball> Why would you need to reinstall for that? Just swapoff, remove the swap partition and grow your / or whatever, make swapfile, swapon to that
[12:31] <minimec> Galahad2017_: You don't need a fresh installation.
[12:31] <Galahad2017_> i want to free up the swap partition. 17.04 uses a 500mb-2gb swap file
[12:32] <kaili> But xrandr still shows : 2560x1440     59.95 +
[12:32] <ducasse> kaili: did you use a listed mode?
[12:32] <marvin3> what shell scripting language should I learn? I know bash a little, but not enough to prefer it to others
[12:32] <kaili> ducasse: Yes, I just want to change the refresh rate of 2560x1440 mode
[12:33] <Galahad2017_> hateball: how do i do that? "sudo swapoff", gparted to grow the partition, then "sudo make swapfile", "sudo swapon"?
[12:35] <minimec> Galahad2017_: Well... I you have a seperate /home partition, you might be able to add the swap partition to the /home partition. If you only have one partition for ubuntu, then you would need a usb install stick and grow that one partition, because you cannot unmount a running system partition.
[12:35] <kaili> ducasse: I'm going to create a new mode with its own refresh rate, let's see if it works better
[12:36] <marvin3> I want to write small administrative scripts, running other programs, moving files, extracting archives, that sort of thing. for anything more complex I would use a "real" language
[12:36] <Galahad2017_> minimec: i have a boot partition, a home partion, and a swap partition. i have everything backed up. would it be easier just to fresh 17.04 install and get the swap file?
[12:37] <Batin> hola
[12:38] <ducasse> marvin3: bash, imo.
[12:39] <minimec> Galahad2017_: If the partitioning is 'boot','swap','home', or 'boot','home','swap' its easy to merge /home + /swap. To create a swap file, there are many tutorials on the net... https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04
[12:40] <slidercrank> what is the best way to run wayland natively on Ubuntu 16.04?
[12:40] <minimec> Galahad2017_: In your case you would also edit /etc/fstab and put a '#' in front of the existing line for the swap partition, and then add the new swap file as swap partition.
[12:40] <kaili> ducasse: not working. Perhaps not a refresh rate problem after all...
[12:41] <oerheks> slidercrank, install gnome session wayland .. info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME
[12:41] <kaili> Situation is simple : Ubuntu : 1920x1080 working, 2560x1440 not working. Windows both working. Question what is ubuntu doing wrong (it's not refresh rate it seems...)
[12:42] <oerheks> only works on oss drivers
[12:42] <minimec> slidercrank: never tested it, but probably 'sudo apt install gnome-session-wayland' http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=gnome-session-wayland&searchon=names
[12:42] <kaili> Or how do I investigate this kind of problem is the underlying question
[12:42] <Galahad2017_> minimec: thanks. i think i'm going to just clean install.  too many steps for setting up a swapfile and not sure if 17.04 uses it the same way
[12:42] <minimec> slidercrank: That will probably install the whole gnome3 desktop...
[12:43] <slidercrank> oerheks, minimec: than you guys for your suggestions. I´ll look into it
[12:44] <sebsebseb> hi
[12:44] <tarzeau> when does ubuntu start syncing (auto pkg import?) from debian again?
[12:45] <kaili> It seems like a very old problem (at least back 2015), plenty of help threads without answer around the net
[12:45] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[12:45] <ducasse> kaili: can you pastebin output of 'xrandr' and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[12:45] <Galahad2017_> here goes. 17.04 clean install. back in a bit hopefully
[12:46] <Chunkyz> Galahad2017_, ?
[12:47] <kaili> ducasse: xrandr : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24373932/ (external monitor on hdmi port is DP-2, the first one is laptop screen). Xorg log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24373938/
[12:47] <oerheks> kaili, only DP can do that AFAIK
[12:47] <oerheks> not with hdmi
[12:48] <ducasse> oerheks: hdmi 1.4 can do 2560x1440@24, not sure about 2.0
[12:49] <jkjkm> huh? it is already out
[12:50] <SpaceAce> is 17.04 lts release?
[12:50] <ducasse> SpaceAce: no
[12:50] <SpaceAce> thx
[12:50] <jkjkm> 17.10 will
[12:50] <jkjkm> (if canonical will still be around that time)
[12:50] <ducasse> jkjkm: no, 18.04 will be next lts
[12:50] <kaili> Well Windows gets it working, why ubuntu couldn't ;-)
[12:51] <immu> kaili: what happened?
[12:51] <Chunkyz> are people installing the rc or something?
[12:52] <oerheks> Chunkyz, yes, something, not RC
[12:52] <ducasse> kaili: have you tried the proprietary nvidia driver?
[12:52] <Chunkyz> oerheks, huh?
[12:52] <jkjkm> are ltses 2 years apart now?
[12:52] <kaili> ducasse: yes
[12:52] <immu> Chunkyz: i moved from development to final release code
[12:52] <Chunkyz> immu, how?
[12:52] <ducasse> jkjkm: have been for a while
[12:53] <immu> software-update
[12:53] <immu> Chunkyz: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-17-04
[12:53] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[12:53] <sam_wong> do you gays prepare to upgrade your ubuntu to 17.04?
[12:54] <Chunkyz> immu, I'll wait for the .iso :)
[12:54] <Chunkyz> sam_wong, yes
[12:54] <oerheks> ubottu, update yourself now
[12:54] <jkjkm> ISOs are already published
[12:54] <ducasse> Chunkyz: check releases.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <xangua> Chunkyz: it is,bot is just not so smart
[12:54] <sam_wong> is this new version stable?
[12:54] <kaili> This problem is the only one preventing me from moving back to ubuntu. But I really need this optimal resolution of my external monitor for presentation with my clients
[12:55] <ecomaikgolf> Waiting to check if 17.04 is compatible with flatabulous theme
[12:55] <Chunkyz> ducasse, so it;s out?
[12:55] <jkjkm> Chunkyz: yes
[12:58] <ducasse> kaili: try activating the 2560x1440 59.95 mode
[12:58] <kaili> ducasse: this is the default one, getting "no signal" on screen
[13:00] <Guest52595> Can i format my write-protected USB-Drive in GParted? GParted shows the USB-Drive only as free Space.
[13:01] <marvin3> are control etc directories in .ipk supposed to be bare or inside .tar.gz? or they can be either?
[13:02] <ducasse> marvin3: .ipk?
[13:03] <Chunkyz> ducasse, is there somewhere I can read about the changes in 17.04?
[13:04] <ducasse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[13:05] <Chunkyz> cheers.
[13:05] <SpaceAce> umm, my upgrade has stalled on "setting up alsa-utils "
[13:06] <SpaceAce> not sure what to do
[13:06] <marvin3> ducasse packages used by opkg
[13:06] <kaili> brb
[13:07] <ducasse> marvin3: that is openwrt etc afaik, so ask them.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> SpaceAce:  is alsa-base installed?
[13:08] <SpaceAce> BluesKaj, yes
[13:09] <BluesKaj> SpaceAce:  which audio chip ?
[13:11] <TheGame> On the look for a repo for searching into Google, Google docs, Twitter etc on user name... and find details. (Just for the heck of it ^^)
[13:12] <xangua> On the look
[13:12] <xangua> ¿
[13:13] <Chunkyz> must be high.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> SpaceAce:  check beside "configuration" in the results of this,  sudo lshw -C sound
[13:13] <Guest52595> Can i also use Orca Screenreader at the Welcome Screen of the Ubuntu Live System?
[13:14] <sebsebseb> Guest52595: hi
[13:14] <sebsebseb> and maybe to whwaty ou put
[13:14] <Chunkyz> ducasse, can you link me to the net install?
[13:14] <kaili> ducasse: nothing working. Any other idea ? :/
[13:14] <oerheks> Guest52595, have you tried?
[13:15] <oerheks> Guest52595, you find funny questions nobody ever asked
[13:15] <ducasse> !mini | Chunkyz
[13:15] <ducasse> Chunkyz: but it may not be ready yet
[13:15] <Chunkyz> yeah it's not there :)
[13:16] <Guest52595> How can i resize my Windows Partition on my Laptop to install Ubuntu alongside Windows?
[13:16] <sebsebseb> Guest52595: gparted ?
[13:16] <sebsebseb> Guest52595: atsually wait dont just g parted
[13:16] <sebsebseb> which verson of Windows ?
[13:16] <oerheks> use the windows disk manager
[13:16] <ducasse> !dualboot | Guest52595
[13:16] <sebsebseb> Guest52595:  yep its best to let Windows re size itself first,  if on Vista or above
[13:17] <kaili> Disk manager is working good, just shrink the windows partition
[13:17] <sebsebseb> Vsta, WIndows 7, 8, 8.1, or 10
[13:17] <TheGame> disk manager -> right mouse button on the disk => resize
[13:18] <Guest52595> But when i try to resize the Windows 10 Partition then it won't work. Can you give me some Instructions for blind Users?
[13:19] <ducasse> Guest52595: try ##windows for windows support
[13:19] <TheGame> hey, in need of some fun, (on the look for something to search user details on Google facebook etc.. (for shocking some people) :D
[13:19] <Chunkyz> TheGame, really?
[13:19] <TheGame> sure
[13:20] <Chunkyz> I mean the keep repeating yourself etc.
[13:20] <Guest52595> How can i create a .tar File with Linux i haven't tried it.
[13:20] <Chunkyz> ducasse, is he trolling?
[13:21] <nomis_> 01001000 01100001 01101100 01101100 01101111 00100000 01101100 01100101 01110101 01110100 01100101
[13:21] <ducasse> Guest52595: your file manager probably has support for creating archives, in a terminal use 'tar'
[13:21] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[13:21] <Chunkyz> someone update the topic and bot.
[13:22] <ghostknife> when using nmcli show dev I can see all the DNS entries loaded by DHCP. Is it possible to selectively remove only one entry?
[13:23] <nomis_> .... . -.--  .... --- .--  .- .-. .  -.-- --- ..-  -.. --- .. -. --.
[13:23] <King_Hual> -.-
[13:23] <Guest52595> How can i use the MATE Panels on the MATE Desktop with the Keyboard?
[13:23] <nomis_> - .... .. ...  .. ...  -- --- .-. ... .  -.-- --- ..-  -- --- .-. --- -.
[13:23] <oerheks> nomis stop that, thanks
[13:24] <nomis_> Okay
[13:24] <nomis_> just trying out a new program
[13:25] <ducasse> nomis_: do that in ##test, then
[13:25] <nomis_> sorry
[13:25] <nomis_> ##test
[13:26] <nomis_> i am coming
[13:29] <Guest52595> Which Option should i select when dualbooting Ubuntu and Windows 10?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Guest52595:  what options , and in what context?
[13:31] <Guest52595> Should i select to install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10 ? or Manual Partitioning?
[13:32] <tsglove> Where should I modify /etc/resolv.conf  ??  It states that the changes will be overwritten.
[13:32] <geirha> smells like a bot
[13:32] <oerheks> geirha, not really, he seems to be blind, and therefor he is a bit slow
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Guest52595:  are you familiar with partitoning in gparted for example ?
[13:33] <xangua> tsglove: modify what? Why not use the network manager icon?
[13:33] <tsglove> xangua, this is a 16.04 Server install... no gui.
[13:33] <tsglove> I am following this:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236093
[13:34] <Guest52595> I have deleted Partitions in GParted but not such Partitioning Tasks such as resizing and creating Partitions.
[13:34] <geirha> oerheks: Ah, that probably explains the arbitrary capital letters
[13:34] <SpaceAce> still no luck getting hardware acceleration working on my intel gpu
[13:34] <BluesKaj>  Guest52595:  then choose install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10
[13:35] <Guest52595> But after installing Ubuntu alongside Windows 10, only Ubuntu boots up and not Windows.
[13:35] <ThePendulum> moment of truth, time to burn a 17.04 drive, don't have awful high hopes
[13:36] <ghostknife> how do I edit my dnsmasq dns entries from the command line?
[13:36] <oerheks> Guest52595, hold shift @ boot, to enter grub menu, there you find windows again
[13:37] <geirha> Guest52595: The boot manager waits for a few seconds for keyboard input. If no input it boots the default, Ubuntu.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Guest52595:  ok , choose manual partitoning , but have you created a partition for ubuntu alerady ?
[13:38] <Guest52595> No. And i'm blind, how can i do this task, I can not see the Boot Order.
[13:40] <jkjkm> what is the 17.10 codename?
[13:40] <Redrield_> Alright, so I just wiped my disk and installed ubuntu, and it doesn't boot anymore.
[13:40] <Redrield_> When I try to make changes in efibootmgr, they're not saved and they're reverted the next time I restart
[13:40] <Redrield_> And when I try to boot up without my live install plugged in, I get No Boot Device error
[13:41] <ThePendulum> jkjkm: Zesty Zapus
[13:41] <ThePendulum> if that's what you mean
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Guest52595:  after installing beside windoiws 10 and when you boot into ubuntu run these commands, sudo os-prober, then sudo update-grub, The grub bootloader should list the Windows OS on the next reboot
[13:41] <ducasse> jkjkm: not decided yet
[13:41] <ThePendulum> oh sorry
[13:41] <ThePendulum> 17.10, right
[13:42] <BluesKaj> 17.04
[13:42] <ThePendulum> I don't remember if they were going to pick up another category of names or just start with A-animals again
[13:43] <Guest52595> Can i use the XFCE-Desktop with the Orca Screenreader?
[13:43] <geirha> Guest52595: Hm. I don't think grub can handle that. I don't think it has the ability to use audio at least.
[13:45] <Guest52595> But i try to edit the /etc/default/grub File, so that it has a Beep sound.
[13:45] <generic> firefox is crashing all over ubuntu .. only not randomly :(
[13:45] <Redrield_> So, what can I do? (Besides send it in and have it sent back with Windows)
[13:45] <tsglove> Guest52595, do you use Orca regularly?  How do you like it?
[13:45] <geirha> Guest52595: One possibility could be to put the boot loader on a USB-stick, so that when that USB-stick is connected, you boot Ubuntu, if it's not connected, you boot Windows.
[13:45] <kitoy> question, something like an off topic
[13:45] <kitoy> btw is it possible to change the key binding function of a keyboard shortcut?
[13:46] <generic> http is usually a GET operation and not a SEND
[13:46] <kitoy> for example i wanted to ctrl+s to be ctrl+p
[13:46] <kitoy> and ctrl+p to be ctrl+s
[13:46] <jkjkm> it was possible in gtk2
[13:46] <ThePendulum> unetbootin asks me if I want to reboot now and I can't decide :( on one hand, it's something I've always wanted to do, on the other hand... I'm not done redditting yet
[13:47] <Guest52595> Yes, I like it and use Orca because it's the only Screenreader on Ubuntu.
[13:47] <generic> geirha: works but is not recommended ..
[13:47] <geirha> generic: Why not?
[13:48] <generic> geirha: because grub should normally be installed on the same drive
[13:48] <ducasse> kitoy: keyboard binding for what?
[13:48] <kitoy> just to replace some shortcut keys
[13:48] <geirha> generic: Yes, but that makes it hard to choose which OS to boot
[13:48] <kitoy> just wanted to ask if it is, possible tho
[13:48] <ducasse> kitoy: for what software?
[13:48] <geirha> generic: The user is blind
[13:48] <kitoy> ubuntu
[13:49] <generic> geirha: i use it too but whenever i can I install grub and boot win with grub
[13:49] <ducasse> kitoy: you mean in general for the whole operating system, in every program?
[13:49] <kitoy> i mean, libreoffice
[13:49] <kitoy> yep
[13:49] <kitoy> sort of like that
[13:49] <jkjkm> kitoy: tools/customize
[13:50] <tsglove> Guest52595, great to know! =)
[13:50] <generic> geirha: not sure if there is braille/screenreader for grub though ..
[13:50] <geirha> generic: Right, so the only solution I could think of was to use a USB-stick to decide which OS to boot
[13:50] <g105b> Can someone help me with ACL? What I'm trying to achieve is to have anything that's put into /var/www be placed in the "developers" group. What I've tried is the following: `chmod g+s /var/www && setfacl -d -m g:developers:rwx /var/www` which works fine for creating new files, but when I move directories into /var/www the groups stay the same as they are at the source, and are no longer "sticky". Any ideas?
[13:51] <kitoy> thanks
[13:51] <generic> geirha: install grub with no timeout ..
[13:51] <generic> geirha: I guess the arrows make selection possible for a blind person too
[13:52] <generic> geirha: not 100% sure but I think the selection stays at the bottom if you reach the bottom
[13:54] <generic> geirha: however if you use usb make sure you use root=UUID=....
[13:55] <geirha> The installer hopefully does that already
[13:57] <taaem> So I installed Ubuntu Core 16 on a Raspberry Pi but I noticed that there are only very minimal packages preinstalled, its missing for example lvm2 for lvm hard drives and since apt is not supported and snap doesn't find anything and afaiu it isn't supposed to find stuff like that. So now I have the problem that I can't use my old harddrives with Ubuntu Core because of this missing lvm2
[14:00] <bswartz> anyone know what the codename for ubuntu 17.10 is?
[14:00] <Guest52595> Where can i download a DJ-Software for Ubuntu?
[14:00] <Chunkyz> a blind dj lol
[14:01] <Guest52595> Can i use Cubase on Ubuntu?
[14:01] <jkjkm> have they got rid of menu sepataros in gnome 3.24 or that's just a buggy theme?
[14:02] <Threygoo> What is minimum mass storage space required to install Zesty 17.04 ?
[14:03] <pavlos> 8GB on a VM
[14:03] <Threygoo> Thanks, pavlos
[14:04] <rory> bswartz: It is not yet decided/announced
[14:04] <Guest52595> How can i use a VM in Ubuntu? Is a VM accessible for blind Users?
[14:04] <bswartz> rory: but with zesty released, what do we call the current dev branch?
[14:05] <davisten> Hello, my MOTD says 'Ubuntu 12.04 LTS end-of-life is April 25, 2017 -- Upgrade your Precise systems!' after 17.04 upgrade, what happened?
[14:05] <nacc> bswartz: 17.10?
[14:05] <bswartz> :-/
[14:06] <nacc> bswartz: why does it matter?
[14:07] <bswartz> nacc: looking for some bugfixes that are not yet in zesty
[14:07] <bswartz> wondering if they'll be in zesty+1 but dont' know what to search for
[14:07] <Guest52595> Is it possible to use a Text Console with Orca Screenreader?
[14:07] <pavlos> bswartz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A17.10
[14:07] <nacc> bswartz: search for the package and see if the bug is filed?
[14:08] <nacc> bswartz: there's nothing in 17.10 that's not in 17.04 (yet)
[14:08] <nacc> bswartz: as the archive hasn't opened yet for 17.10 development
[14:08] <bswartz> they're fixed in debian stretch, but it seems zesty does not use .debs from stretch
[14:08] <nacc> bswartz: which package, which version, etc
[14:09] <geirha> The codename for 17.10 will probably be announced in very soon
[14:09] <bswartz> nacc: nfs-common -- debian stretch has 1.3.4, zesty has 1.2.8
[14:10] <nacc> bswartz: that's the base version
[14:10] <bswartz> nacc: you think there might be backports in the zesty version that solve my issue? I could try it I guess
[14:10] <nacc> bswartz: there are two deltas since 1.2.8 in zesty (hence 1.2.8-9.2ubuntu2)
[14:11] <geirha> bswartz: apt-get changelog nfs-common
[14:11] <bswartz> in particular I want to be able to exportfs to an IPv6 address
[14:11] <nacc> bswartz: i have no idea what the issue is, as you've not said :) if you have a debian bug reference
[14:12] <bswartz> IPv6 support wasn't added to nfs-utils in the 1.2.8 version -- it came later
[14:12] <nacc> bswartz: if it was someting fixed upstream (or added in the case of a feature) it's probably not in zesty
[14:12] <Guest52595> Can i use Vi with the Orca Screenreader?
[14:12] <nacc> bswartz: when the merge occurs in 17.10, then ubuntu will get the fix
[14:12] <bswartz> nacc: yeah I know, that's why I'm eager to see which version zesty+1 takes
[14:13] <nacc> bswartz: it will take whatever is in unstable when development starts
[14:13] <bswartz> in the mean time I'm stuck building my own nfs-utils from source, which results in a slightly unstable system
[14:13] <nacc> bswartz: and will probably merge a few times in the release if debian does more versions
[14:13] <nacc> bswartz: did you file a bug with ubuntu?
[14:13] <bswartz> nacc: there's no point filing a bug if it's already fixed upstream is there?
[14:14] <nacc> bswartz: sure there is -- others would be able to search that it doesn't work and be notified when it's fixed
[14:14] <bswartz> I've been told if it's fixed is debian already, it's just a matter of time until ubuntu gets it
[14:14] <geirha> it's a new feature, not a bug, so older versions won't get patched
[14:14] <nacc> geirha: no one said they would
[14:15] <bswartz> ok
[14:15] <jkjkm> we can only hope linux will learn to manage software one day
[14:15] <nacc> !ot | jkjkm
[14:15] <nacc> bswartz: imo, filing a bug is never wrong -- worst case someone says 'no, won't fix', but it's still documented
[14:16] <Threygoo> Guest52595: I advise VirtualBox usually-- but I don't know if it is best for blind people.
[14:17] <Guest52595> I think that Virtualisation is not accessible for blind Users.
[14:18] <bswartz> it's frustrating because nfs-utils 1.2.8 was released in 2013 and it's still shipping with zesty -- the 1.3.4 version is from 2016 so it's slightly less archaic, but still not quite modern
[14:18] <ikonia> there is blind accessibility software
[14:18] <ikonia> that normally works as a passthrough to virtual machines as it's just a HID device
[14:18] <nacc> bswartz: that's a debian choice
[14:18] <nacc> bswartz: and also, if you *had* filed a bug, it could have been fixed in the zesty cycle
[14:18] <nacc> bswartz: so i find *that* frustrating :)
[14:19] <bswartz> nacc: point taken
[14:19] <nacc> bswartz: (as an ubuntu developer)
[14:20] <Guest52595> But i don't know if Orca is working with VirtualBox.
[14:20] <xmen> hola
[14:20] <bswartz> btw since the name for zesty+1 isn't released yet I'm voting for the new naming scheme to be Adverb+Adjective+Animal for the next 26 releases
[14:22] <oerheks> Guest52595, i don't think so, unless you run linux in Vbox
[14:22] <ioria> Guest52595, have you heard of     Vinux  http://www.vinuxproject.org/    ?
[14:23] <Guest52595> But i think that JAWS for Windows doesen't work with VirtualBox.
[14:24] <kidamnesiac> Hello
[14:25] <kidamnesiac> I just installed 17.04 and somehow Thunderbird is not available in the repositories?
[14:25] <oerheks> kidamnesiac, it is installed standard
[14:25] <nacc> !info thunderbirdy zesty
[14:25] <nacc> !info thunderbird zesty
[14:25] <kidamnesiac> I am using the Ubuntu Gnome flavour
[14:25] <nacc> kidamnesiac: installed standard in the desktop images, or i'd assume a typo
[14:25] <oerheks> not optional ..
[14:26] <geirha> kidamnesiac: Make sure you've downloaded the package lists (e.g. sudo apt update)
[14:26] <oerheks> kidamnesiac, gnome uses the same repos, so why do you not find it?
[14:26] <kidamnesiac> I was trying to install it via Gnome Software
[14:26] <oerheks> typo maybe?
[14:27] <kidamnesiac> which is the software app in Ubuntu Gnome
[14:27] <sebsebseb>  
[14:27] <kidamnesiac> hmm you can install it via apt-get but it's missing from the software app
[14:27]  * nacc spins up software to check
[14:28] <Guest52595> Can i use Aptitude to install Software from the Terminal?
[14:29] <geirha> Guest52595: yes
[14:29] <nacc> kidamnesiac: shows up fine here
[14:29] <Guest52595> But Aptitude is not installed.
[14:29] <nacc> kidamnesiac: and as 'installed'
[14:30] <KrisDouglas_> Guest52595, you can use apt or apt-get which works the same way as aptitude really.
[14:30] <lupus> i just installed Xubuntu 17.04 in a VirtualBox with Gentoo as host. Whenever i apt-get install virtualbox-guest-x11, the virtual machine fails to start and i stuck on a black screen with blinking with a '-' symbol.
[14:30] <kidamnesiac> nacc: not for me :-( I am using a freshly installed Ubuntu Gnome 17.04
[14:31] <nacc> kidamnesiac: i have upgraded to it (been on 17.04 for a bit now) -- so maybe that's different, but i'd be sort of surprised
[14:31] <lupus> now i noticed it says 'x86' virtualization solution, so will it not work on when i'm using amd64?
[14:31] <nacc> lupus: amd64 is x86
[14:31] <kidamnesiac> nacc: well I had to install it via apt-get, as you suggested, it's okay but still wierd
[14:31] <nacc> lupus: different codenames for 'intel-compatible'
[14:31] <antonio__> hello
[14:31] <nacc> kidamnesiac: strange, i can try and spin up a vm later to test it
[14:32] <Guest52595> In some Situations when i try to start Orca from the Run Dialog or the Terminal Orca stops after starting. What can i do?
[14:32] <kidamnesiac> nacc: the package is in repositories, just Gnome Software does not show it ... I'll upload a picture
[14:32] <KrisDouglas> kidamnesiac, the software centre shows everything that is available on the repo, so if it worked in Apt it must have been in the software centre
[14:32] <lupus> nacc: okay, so there's no reason Xubuntu 17.04 should not be able to boot with virtualbox-guest-x11 installed?
[14:33] <KrisDouglas> lupus, should work fine
[14:33] <nacc> lupus: not that i am aware of technically; but i also don't use vbox
[14:33] <kidamnesiac> nacc: http://shrani.si/f/1e/iA/1KmcSB8p/screenshot-from-2017-04-.png here you are
[14:34] <nacc> kidamnesiac: yeah that's weird!
[14:36] <kidamnesiac> KrisDouglas: not so sure, I'm not very familiar with the Gnome Software back-end, but I was led to believe that even though a package might exist in repositories, it needs some additional stuff (description, icon) to show up in Software
[14:36] <nacc> kidamnesiac: i don't believe that is true, but i also don't know
[14:36] <KrisDouglas> kidamnesiac, yeah that might be the case. I wonder if the package hasn't been properly populated. I would assume it shows up fine in something like Synaptic
[14:37] <qbaonq> Hello, I 've had recently accidentally deleted some (little) portion of my disk space deleted through that command dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=4096, because I missedtyped it without specifying the partition that I wanted (sda3). So now the disk has no partition table. Is there anything I can do in order to proceed?
[14:37] <qbaonq> I only want to recover a whole encrypted partition (sda4)
[14:38] <qbaonq> actually the command was dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdxy bs=128
[14:39] <mcphail> !info testdisk | qbaonq
[14:39] <kidamnesiac> nacc: KrisDouglas: well, if you don't believe me, you can try searching for a well known unix package without a description in Gnome Software -- fortune/fortune-mod
[14:39] <maddawg3> an encrypted partition
[14:39] <maddawg3> not sure that can be recovered
[14:39] <pavlos> qbaonq: gparted has an attempt data rescue option, not sure if it will help
[14:39] <maddawg3> at least with data intact
[14:39] <qbaonq> okay I did already 2 things
[14:39] <qbaonq> gpart /dev/sda
[14:40] <qbaonq> and it returned those things after one day of running
[14:40] <nacc> kidamnesiac: interesting
[14:40] <KrisDouglas> kidamnesiac, see my last message! I believe you're correct.
[14:40] <geirha> nacc, kidamnesiac: Maybe if it is localized, the search only searches for the package in the current language and not the english version..?
[14:41] <nacc> geirha: could be, but i'm in an english locale
[14:41] <qbaonq> https://pastebin.com/XHm79dmW
[14:41] <qbaonq> and bellow is what testdisk returned
[14:41] <nacc> kidamnesiac: seems like some sort of limitation of gnome softwrae that should be fixed
[14:41] <nacc> imo
[14:42] <qbaonq> the disk had 4 partitions
[14:42] <qbaonq> sda1/sda2 for windows
[14:42] <Guest52595> Which Methods can i use to format my write-protected USB-Flash Drive?
[14:42] <qbaonq> sda 3 extended
[14:42] <KrisDouglas> kidamnesiac, nacc, I have used Synaptic for a very long time, if I have to use a GUI that is. It works well enough. I wonder if the issue will be resolved fairly soon.
[14:43] <kidamnesiac> I am using the English language, just with Slovene formats (date, time, etc)
[14:43] <qbaonq> and sda4 encrypted seperatelly
[14:43] <qbaonq> and the extended had sda5/6 previously
[14:43] <nacc> KrisDouglas: kidamnesiac: i'd see if there is already a bug filed for this (likely) or file one
[14:43] <kidamnesiac> can you?
[14:43] <kidamnesiac> I've never filed bugs before on Ubuntu
[14:43] <kidamnesiac> I'm just testing it out
[14:44] <kidamnesiac> I was happy to see main Ubuntu is switching to Gnome so I'm testing out Ubuntu GNOME flavour to see what to expect in a year
[14:44] <mcphail> qbaonq: I've no idea if there is an easy tool which will work if testdisk fails. Reinstall from backups, is the only advice I can give
[14:45] <kidamnesiac> nacc: I have another bug, but I'm not sure if its upstream Gnome or Ubuntu Gnome
[14:45] <qbaonq> mcphail actually the gpart command returned fatal error, the testdisk returned:
[14:45] <qbaonq> Disk /dev/sda - 1000 GB / 931 GiB - CHS 121601 255 63      Partition               Start        End    Size in sectors >* Linux                12858 253  4 24340  40 20  184444928
[14:45] <qbaonq> so it found only 1 partition?
[14:46] <geirha> kidamnesiac: Doesn't matter if it's upstream or not, it should be reported against ubuntu regardless.
[14:46] <nacc> geirha: +1
[14:46] <mcphail> qbaonq: looks to me like testdisk failed to help you. Only time I had to use it, it "just worked"
[14:47] <kidamnesiac> ok I'll post a picture and a description, and would be happy if one of you guys file it
[14:47] <qbaonq> alright thanks mcphail for your insight
[14:47] <nacc> !bug | kidamnesiac
[14:47] <nacc> kidamnesiac:  that's not how it works, unfortuately
[14:48] <kidamnesiac> nacc: then I have to register on Launchpad, and I'm lazy :P
[14:49] <nacc> kidamnesiac: then the bug may not get fixed :)
[14:49] <mcphail> kidamnesiac: fair enough, but Ubuntu won't get better if you don't take the time
[14:50] <Guest52595> How can i install Synaptic Package Manager on Ubuntu?
[14:50] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, open a terminal and type "sudo apt install synaptic" without quotes, followed by enter.
[14:50] <ikevin> Guest52595, why installing synptic? you already have an ubuntu equivalent
[14:50] <kidamnesiac> okay, okay guys, I registered. So for this Thunderbird not in Gnome Software, should I file it against Thunderbird or Gnome Software?
[14:51] <Gunni> should i upgrade my desktop running ubuntu 16.10 to 17.04?
[14:51] <KrisDouglas> kidamnesiac, I would think thunderbird
[14:51] <mcphail> Gunni: yes, when it is out. 16.10 will not be supported for long
[14:51] <KrisDouglas> Gunni, if you wish for your installation to remain supported, yes.
[14:51] <ikevin> Gunni, you can if you need newer package, if not, just wait 1 or 2 week
[14:52] <ouroumov_> mcphail, it's out.
[14:52] <Guest52595> But i want to install a .deb File with Synaptic.
[14:52] <ikevin> new release mean new bug :)
[14:52] <mcphail> ouroumov_: cool
[14:52] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, you don't need to use synaptic to install .deb files. There's already a system which does it for you by simply double clicking the deb file.
[14:52] <Gunni> but to upgrade i have to run `do-release-upgrade --devel` does that mean it's a development release?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Gunni:  depends, for production pcs one should wait a few weeks , for adventurous home users eager to try it out, now is the time.
[14:52] <mcphail> Gunni: release day is usually _not_ the best day to update, though. Servers are usually slow
[14:53] <ThePendulum> mcphail: it is out
[14:53] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, Alternatively you can do "sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb "
[14:53] <ThePendulum> right
[14:53] <mcphail> ThePendulum: yes, ta. ouroumov_ told me :)
[14:53] <ThePendulum> I was talking past myself again :p
[14:54] <KrisDouglas> mcphail, Gunni, servers in the UK are absolutely flying today
[14:54] <ThePendulum> hmm servers for post-install updates? I got the ISO np
[14:54] <Pici> Gunni: you don't need to include --devel to upgrade.
[14:54] <ducasse> Gunni: if you need to use --devel, your mirror does not have the new release yet
[14:54] <mcphail> Gunni: passing the --devel flag is not encouraged here
[14:54] <Guest52595> But I 'm blind and the Command for installing .deb Files is to long.
[14:54] <ThePendulum> let's boot the live drive and see if the display issue has been resolved, probably not
[14:54] <ThePendulum> brb
[14:54] <Gunni> my mirror is in Iceland
[14:55] <Gunni> so yea probably not updated yet
[14:55] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, you can simply double click them from your (I assume) downloads directory.
[14:55] <ikevin> Gunni, i think ubuntu first update official repo, and after send the release
[14:56] <shnnxn> hi
[14:56] <Guest52595> But i can't use a Mouse because i'm blind.
[14:56] <shnnxn> lol
[14:56] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, are you using the desktop?
[14:57] <Guest52595> How do you mean that i'm using the Desktop?
[14:59] <ikonia> Guest52595: I'm sorry you're not being realistic
[15:00] <ikonia> Guest52595: you are blind, understood, and you've said you can't use a mouse, so your next real option is to use the command line, it's a few words to type so how can that be "too long
[15:00] <Guest52595> Sory
[15:00] <ikonia> no need for sorry, but I think you have to be realistic,
[15:00] <ikonia> you'll either need accessibility software to help you, or you'll need to interact with text interfaces
[15:01] <KrisDouglas> Guest52595, It would make sense from your perspective to use the command line if you are unable to move around a graphical environment easily. This is one of the notable strengths of ubuntu/linux when it comes to being visually impaired
[15:01] <Gunni> soo my mirror was 1 week out of date, switched to the other one in my country
[15:01] <ikonia> there are desktop environments that are "tile" based which would make things easier
[15:02] <KrisDouglas> He's gone, some people can't be helped, eh, ikonia?
[15:05] <peso> hi
[15:05] <KrisDouglas> ThePendulum, display issues?
[15:07] <Guest68720> What happens if i check the Checkbox for using LVM with the New Ubuntu Installation?
[15:07] <ducasse> !lvm | Guest68720
[15:08] <Guest68720> But is LVM accessible for blind Users?
[15:08] <kidamnesiac> nacc: okay filed both bugs, one with Thunderbird and a separate one with Gnome Settings
[15:08] <nacc> kidamnesiac: thanks!
[15:09]  * KrisDouglas bangs his head on the desk.
[15:09] <tgm4883> Guest68720: um, LVM doesn't have anything to do with displaying information
[15:09] <kidamnesiac> bye guys
[15:10] <ikonia> Guest68720: you're being silly now
[15:10] <ikonia> Guest68720: every software is available to blind users, I suspect you're trying to make an issue out of this blind stuff
[15:11] <Guest68720> But must i wipe the entire SSD to use LVM? I want to Dualboot Windows and Ubuntu but i want to use LVM.
[15:11] <tgm4883> ikonia: Not every piece of software was made with accessibility in mind...
[15:11] <ThePendulum> KrisDouglas: Yeah, as of 16.04 (the removal of fglrx) I can no longer use 2 Dell monitors in full HD at the same time
[15:11] <ikonia> tgm4883: no, it's not
[15:11] <ThePendulum> rendering the distros useless
[15:12] <KrisDouglas> ThePendulum, what graphics card do you use?
[15:12] <ikonia> Guest68720: you need to use a blank partition or disk to use lvm - yes
[15:13] <Guest68720> Why? i want to dualboot Windows and Ubuntu.
[15:14] <ikonia> Guest68720: because you need to encapsulate the disk or partition you want to use for lvm - which means blanking it
[15:14] <tgm4883> ThePendulum: you mean 16.10? I thought 16.04 could use fglrx?
[15:15] <Guest68720> OMG! Then i will lose my Data and the Jaws Screenreader.
[15:15] <ikonia> Guest68720: how do you expect to install ubuntu if you don't have a blank section on your disk
[15:15] <tgm4883> Guest68720: then don't use LVM...
[15:15] <ducasse> Guest68720: you can resize the windows partitions to free up space for ubuntu
[15:16] <mcphail> tgm4883: I don't think 16.04 has fglrx
[15:16] <peso> how can I run a .jar java app in Ubuntu 13.04?
[15:16] <peso> how can I run a .jar java app in Ubuntu 17.04? I mean
[15:16] <ikonia> peso: run it in a java virtual machine
[15:16] <tgm4883> mcphail: you're right, just looked it up
[15:16] <KrisDouglas> peso, you can install either Sun JVM or the open source one that's name has escaped me
[15:17] <KrisDouglas> peso, openjdk! That's the one
[15:17] <peso> but I can not find openjdk or Oracle java in Ubuntu Software
[15:17] <tgm4883> I'm probably being pedantic, but it bothers me when people say things like "the removal of fglrx", like it was our choice
[15:18] <oerheks> !find openjdk
[15:18] <Guest68720> But can i use Encryption for the new Ubuntu Installation? because I want to dualboot Windows and Ubuntu.
[15:18] <oerheks> oracle java blob is not in our repos, see the !java factoid
[15:18] <peso> ikonia, what jdk program is good for Ubuntu
[15:18] <ikonia> Guest68720: yes, you can
[15:18] <ikonia> peso: any
[15:18] <peso> gracias ubottu
[15:19] <peso> !find openjre
[15:19] <KrisDouglas> peso, interesting, open a terminal and install it with "sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jre" should nail it
[15:19] <peso> ok
[15:19] <oerheks> peso, no, openjdk-8-jre
[15:19] <Guest68720> But how do i dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu and use Encryption?
[15:20] <ikonia> Guest68720: when you install ubuntu it gives an option to encrypt the install
[15:20] <ThePendulum> tgm4883: I don't think I can on 16.04,  I looked into this at the time
[15:21] <KrisDouglas> Guest68720, you can do partition level encryption just for Ubuntu. You cannot do full disk encryption on a dual booted machine.
[15:21] <Guest68720> Why not?
[15:21] <tgm4883> Guest68720: why is that not obvious
[15:22] <ikonia> Guest68720: I can only assume you are trolling now as you know enought to ask questions about advanced topics but seem to be going out of your way to find a problem
[15:22] <tgm4883> Guest68720: full disk encryption would require us to encrypt the full windows partition as well...
[15:22] <tgm4883> ikonia: +1
[15:22] <peso> !find openjdk-8-jre
[15:22]  * tgm4883 goes back to working on monitoring
[15:22] <peso> !find openjdk-9-jre
[15:22] <KrisDouglas> Guest68720, If you have genuinely constructive queries then fair enough. If you're going to carry on like this I would suggest you go and find somewhere else.
[15:22] <peso> !find openjdk-10-jre
[15:23] <Pici> !msgthebot
[15:23] <nacc> well, java-9 is not out yet, so 10 definitely isn't
[15:23] <peso> ok nacc
[15:23] <KrisDouglas> peso, stick to 8. 9 isn't done yet.
[15:23] <peso> I see k
[15:23] <peso> I see KrisDouglas
[15:24] <Guest68720> OMG there is again the Problem to wipe the entire SSD to use Encryption.
[15:24] <ikonia> Guest68720: no there is not
[15:24] <ducasse> Guest68720: haven't you been asking the same questions all day now?
[15:24] <ikonia> Guest68720: it only need to delete the partition you are installing to
[15:24] <KrisDouglas> peso, version 9 isn't scheduled to be released until 27th July 2017
[15:24] <tgm4883> !discuss | Guest68720 these aren't support questions,
[15:26] <Guest68720> How can i use Ardour in Ubuntu?
[15:26] <ikonia> Guest68720: open the package manager and install it
[15:27] <Guest68720> But is Ardour accessible?
[15:27] <ikonia> Guest68720: you'll need to research that yourself
[15:27] <tgm4883> I refuse to believe someone knows about full disk encryption and LVM yet doesn't know how to install a package
[15:27] <ikonia> tgm4883: I think we are getting to that point now
[15:27] <tgm4883> ikonia: this is exactly why I'll never be a mod of this channel
[15:27] <nacc> heh
[15:28] <ikonia> chanserv disagrees
[15:28] <tgm4883> :(
[15:28] <tgm4883> You're lucky I'm not still using hexchat with the kicking plugins
[15:29]  * oerheks is no mod too
[15:30] <tgm4883>  oh it's just /kick on irccloud, that's unfortunate to know after the fact :/
[15:30] <ThePendulum> hmm, most clients afaik?
[15:30] <tgm4883> I've not kicked/banned anyone in years. Rusty skills
[15:31] <Guest68720> Can i use the LXDE Desktop with Orca?
[15:31] <slipshod> help
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> slipshod, ask away
[15:32] <ikonia> Guest68720: enoughn now
[15:32] <tgm4883> !ask | slipshod
[15:32] <ThePendulum> slipshod: you might want to be a bit more verbose :P
[15:32] <tgm4883> I love how we're all jumping to help someone that isn't trolling :)
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> ThePendulum, ref your earlier fglrx thing, what graphics card are you running?
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> tgm4883, damn straight.
[15:33] <Guest68720> Sorry
[15:33] <TomyWork> dont be sorry, be better
[15:34] <Guest68720> OK
[15:35] <ThePendulum> KrisDouglas: R380
[15:35] <ThePendulum> brb
[15:36] <Guest68720> Can i install another Desktop Environment alongside Unity?
[15:36] <slipshod> guys sorry for barging in! i'm looking for an online linux server to host a python script, is it possible?
[15:36] <KrisDouglas> ThePendulum, unfortunate that AMD did such an awful job with their drivers. As usual.
[15:36] <ikonia> slipshod: offtopic for this channe
[15:36] <ikonia> channel
[15:37] <Southern_Gentlem> Guest68720, yes
[15:37] <KrisDouglas> slipshod, lots of small places you can get a VPS off for nothing, ask about it in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[15:38] <slipshod> KrisDouglas: thanks
[15:38] <ducasse> Guest68720: yes
[15:38] <Guest68720> How can i use Speakup with Ubuntu and the ESpeak Synthesizer?
[15:39] <ikonia> Guest68720: is espeak in the ubuntu repos ?
[15:39] <nacc> Guest68720: 'esspeakup' ?
[15:39] <nacc> *espeakup
[15:39] <KrisDouglas> !man | Guest68720
[15:39] <nacc> "Connector between speakup kernel modules and espeak"
[15:43] <Guest68720> How can i start the Ubuntu Installer from the Commandline?
[15:43] <VectorX> hi was the ubuntu phone scrapped ?
[15:43] <VectorX> get a 404 on https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile
[15:43] <ikonia> Guest68720: you can't
[15:43] <ikonia> !install | Guest68720
[15:44] <tgm4883> ikonia: should be able to just launch ubiquity unless that's changed in recent versions
[15:44] <tgm4883> it's still a graphical install though
[15:44] <EriC^^> Guest68720: you mean in the live usb?
[15:44] <ikonia> tgm4883: true, but I don't think that's what he was REALLY asking
[15:44] <Guest68720> But Why i can't start the Ubuntu Installer from the Commandline?
[15:44] <tgm4883> ikonia: you're probably right
[15:44] <ikonia> Guest68720: the ubuntu installer is a graphical application
[15:45] <Lorphos_> hi how can I make "update-manager -c" find 17.04? cause it doesn't
[15:45] <tgm4883> !xy | Guest68720
[15:45] <EriC^^> Guest68720: you can if you type "ubiquity" in the terminal
[15:45] <nacc> Lorphos_: it hasn't released yet (afaict) -- you can use -d if you want, or just wait
[15:45] <nacc> Lorphos_: for upgraders, that is
[15:45] <ikonia> nacc: release email got sent out I think
[15:45] <Lorphos_> nacc: ok so by tomorrow it should be good?
[15:45] <nacc> Lorphos_: there's a few last-minute bugs being fixed (that don't break the iso)
[15:45] <tgm4883> I'm no happy that actually exists
[15:46] <Guest68720> But i want to start the grafical Ubuntu Installer as Root.
[15:46] <nacc> ikonia: yes, sorry, 'released' and 'released' :)
[15:46] <ikonia> nacc: totally agree
[15:46] <nacc> ikonia: it's out, but only on iso, afaict
[15:46] <Lorphos_> I'll just wait until it starts working
[15:46] <EriC^^> Guest68720: what's the problem you're having?
[15:46] <tgm4883> Guest68720: 'ubiquity'
[15:46] <ikonia> nacc: ahh, the repos are still syncing
[15:46] <nacc> Lorphos_: yeah, that should be fine
[15:46] <kostkon> Guest68720, why?
[15:46] <Lorphos_> thanks
[15:47] <KrisDouglas> EriC^^, it may not be worth it :P
[15:47] <Guest68720> I want to try if it works.
[15:48] <ikonia> try what
[15:48] <tgm4883> Guest68720: no. Stop it
[15:48] <oerheks> Guest68720 why asking, just try it .. your questions start making us believe you are trolling
[15:49] <Guest68720> I want to try if i can start the Installer with a Command. And what should i stop?
[15:49] <tgm4883> Guest68720: stop trolling
[15:50] <ikonia> Guest68720: we will not support anything else
[15:50] <ikonia> Guest68720: follow the supported install method
[15:50]  * tgm4883 begs for that op power again
[15:50] <pavlos> Guest68720: the desktop iso has a gui installer, the server iso can be text
[15:51] <kostkon> Guest68720, we can't help you with your experiments, it's beyond the scope of this channel
[15:52] <KrisDouglas> He's gone :)
[15:52] <kostkon> damn
[15:52] <leaftype> So... my wireless internet (on a mac) works, but wired internet on my ubuntu machine doesn't. It "connects", but can't load any webpages. All search results for fixes come with windows directions. How can I diagnose and fix this?
[15:53] <leaftype> I should say, it used to work yesterday
[15:53] <tgm4883> leaftype: when you connect, can you ping 8.8.8.8
[15:53] <leaftype> tgm4883: yup
[15:53] <rickety> how do i check how many mbps im running currently?
[15:54] <tgm4883> leaftype: can you 'nslookup google.com'
[15:54] <EriC^^> rickety: speedtest
[15:54] <Southern_Gentlem> use dig
[15:54] <Gitup> https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/09/how-to-test-your-internet-speed-with-a-terminal-command/
[15:54] <leaftype> tgm4883: looks like
[15:54] <Gitup> Or did u mean link to wireless router?
[15:55] <leaftype> tgm4883: but when I type www.google.com into firefox, or reddit, it gives an instant "server not found"
[15:55] <pavlos> rickety: http://openspeedtest.com/
[15:55] <tgm4883> leaftype: can you 'curl google.com'
[15:56] <leaftype> tgm4883: "Could not resolve host: google.com"
[15:56] <tgm4883> leaftype: when you did nslookup on google.com, what was the output
[15:57]  * tgm4883 wonders if you need to disable ipv6
[15:57] <leaftype> "Server: 127.0.0.1    Address: 127.0.0.1#53    Non-authoritative answer: Name: google.com     Address: 173.194.219.138 "
[15:57] <leaftype> underneath that there were more addresses with the same name
[15:58] <Gitup> the Non-authoritative answers:
[15:58] <Gitup> oh nvm
[15:58] <Gitup> < - sleepy
[15:59] <rickety> speedtest in the terminal <connection failed to open url> and on openspeedtest.com ... theres nothing to click on?
[16:00] <tgm4883> leaftype: what version of ubuntu is this?
[16:00] <KrisDouglas> rickety, it sounds like you're not connected to the internet..
[16:00] <rickety> kris.. but i clearly am
[16:01] <KrisDouglas> rickety, which web browser are you using to navigate to openspeedtest?
[16:01] <KrisDouglas> works fine for me in chrome/firefox
[16:01] <rickety> firefox
[16:03] <KrisDouglas> rickety, I assume when you visit that site you are not presented with a blue button "Start Testing Speed" about 1/2 way down the page?
[16:03] <rickety> correct. its just a blue blinking light
[16:04] <ikonia> how is this an ubuntu problem ?
[16:04] <ikonia> a web page isn't working ?
[16:04] <ikonia> those speed test sites are normally flash driven
[16:04] <leaftype2> tgm4883: sorry if you said anything. my internet temporarily crapped on the laptop too.
[16:04] <KrisDouglas> ikonia, nope, this one is html5 driven and is definitely up. There looks to be some sort of network issue.
[16:05] <tgm4883> leaftype2: what version of ubuntu is this?
[16:05] <rickety> i came here to see if there was app or terminal input for ubuntu to check my system internet speed
[16:05] <leaftype2> tgm4883: 16.10
[16:05] <tgm4883> !info speedtest-cli | rickety
[16:06] <leaftype2> tgm4883: not sure if relevant, but it stopped working when I was using that same ethernet cord to (re)install and update ubuntu mate on a laptop
[16:06] <ikonia> tgm4883: nice find
[16:06] <tgm4883> ikonia: yea, it's handy
[16:07] <furkan_> hi guys i m just intrested why people use irc
[16:07] <furkan_> i used to use it when i was 10
[16:07] <tgm4883> !ot | furkan_
[16:07] <Southern_Gentlem> furkan_,  what a better place to get 1800 opinions on the same subject
[16:08] <furkan_> how can i register my nickname
[16:08] <nacc> !register | furkan_
[16:08] <furkan_> !register | furkan
[16:08] <tgm4883> read it....
[16:09] <tgm4883> It's 9:00 AM, I shouldn't be this grouchy already
[16:10] <leaftype2> tgm4883: it's always a good time to be grouchy, especially when dealing with other peoples problems
[16:11] <furkan_> how can i see if i am registered
[16:11] <ducasse> furkan_: "For any further help, ask in #freenode."
[16:11] <kostkon> furkan_, /ns info mynickname
[16:11] <tgm4883> leaftype2: "nmcli device show <interfacename> | grep IP4.DNS"
[16:12] <furkan_> thanks alot guys
[16:12] <furkan_> you guys arw really helpfull
[16:12] <furkan_> last question how to join other channels
[16:12] <furkan_> ?
[16:14]  * FinalX ponders
[16:14] <FinalX> furkan_: /join #freenode
[16:14] <ikonia> FinalX: he's already in other channels, and registered, hence why this is trolling
[16:14] <leaftype2> tgm4883: assuming <interfacename> was whatever tab gives me, which is enp2s0 . returns nothing with that grep
[16:15] <leaftype2> tgm4883: no wait, typo. 192.168.1.254
[16:15] <tgm4883> leaftype2: ok, what about 'nslookup google.com 192.168.1.254'
[16:17] <leaftype2> tgm4883: same as before: " Server: 192.168.1.254   Address: 192.168.1.254#53   Non-authoritative answer:   Name:  google.com   Address: 74.125.196.138
[16:17] <leaftype2> etc
[16:17] <tgm4883> leaftype2: and you've tried both chrome and firefox?
[16:18] <leaftype2> tgm4883: trying now...
[16:18] <leaftype2> that works
[16:18] <tgm4883> leaftype2: what works?
[16:18] <leaftype2> tgm4883: using chrome. Huh, lucky I have it installed
[16:19] <tgm4883> leaftype2: try firefox again
[16:19] <leaftype2> tgm4883: did. Still not working
[16:19] <tgm4883> leaftype2: do you have some sort of proxy settings in firefox?
[16:19] <leaftype2> tgm4883: I didn't mess with anything like that intentionally
[16:21] <leaftype2> tgm4883: Also not sure if relevant, but chrome goes through a weird middle step when loading. It starts off with "This site can't be reached", and then redirects
[16:21] <leaftype2> tgm4883: also, steam doesn't connect to internet either
[16:21] <tgm4883> leaftype2: interesting. What type of internet connection do you have?
[16:22] <leaftype2> tgm4883: dsl through ATT
[16:23] <tgm4883> leaftype2: does 'sudo apt update' bomb out?
[16:23] <tgm4883> actually that probably uses http as well....
[16:23] <leaftype2> tgm4883: errors galore
[16:24] <tgm4883> ok so chrome's special then
[16:24] <leaftype2> tgm4883: seems google knows whatever the issue is and says "screw it, we'll hack around it"
[16:24] <tgm4883> leaftype2: and your other system works fine?
[16:25] <leaftype2> tgm4883: On the mac right now, in firefox, talking to you through webchat
[16:25] <tgm4883> leaftype2: I'm running out of ideas here. Is this Unity or some other DE? Are you familiar with network manager?
[16:26] <leaftype2> tgm4883: Unity. I use defaults of most things.
[16:27] <pavlos> leaftype2: ifconfig gives you nothing? nmcli device show gives you nothing?
[16:27] <Chunkyz> ubuntu net image 17.04 is on site, downloading right now. :D
[16:28] <leaftype2> pavlos: tgm4883: ifconfig gives me "enp2s0 <a bunch of stuff>
[16:29] <tgm4883> leaftype2: well my last ditch effort is to try disabling ipv6 and seeing if that's the issue. We can do that fairly easily if you want to try
[16:30] <tgm4883> leaftype2: my thoughts are that either ipv6 is configured incorrectly on your network and the system is trying to use that, or that you've got a proxy setup somewhere that chrome is bypassing
[16:30] <leaftype2> pavlos: tgm4883, I can get into the router settings if that helps. I tried restarting the connection and rebooting the machine before I came on. I'm willing to try anything though.
[16:30] <tgm4883> leaftype2: nah, we just do it on this system. Your mac isn't having any issues, so it's this machine specific
[16:31] <pavlos> leaftype2: I came late into this, the issue is that firefox does not resolve pages but chrome does.
[16:31] <tgm4883> leaftype2: if you open network manager, you should be able to edit the connection for your wifi SSID. IIRC, there is an IPv6 tab which you can set to ignore
[16:31] <tgm4883> pavlos: everything except chrome is broken
[16:31] <tgm4883> pavlos: apt/firefox
[16:32] <leaftype2> pavlos: chrome first says there is no internet connection, and then redirects to the web correctly. Firefox and steam do not. Machine is hooked up to ethernet, macbook is not. Whole thing worked yesterday fine
[16:32] <tgm4883> pavlos: pinging 8.8.8.8 works, looking up the address for google.com works
[16:32] <tgm4883> leaftype2: once you set it to ignore, you'll need to disconnect and reconnect the wireless connection
[16:34] <leaftype2> tgm4883: do you mean the wired connection, ie on the desktop? or do you mean restarting the router?
[16:34] <tgm4883> leaftype2: oh, is this a desktop? Then you would do this for the wired connection
[16:35] <tgm4883> then reconnect the wired connection
[16:36] <leaftype2> tgm4883: ok. Do a command then software disconnect/reconnect. Sounds good. what do I do then?
[16:36] <tgm4883> leaftype2: once you set it to ignore then disconnect/reconnect check if it works
[16:36] <tgm4883> if not, I'm out of ideas
[16:36] <tgm4883> well, one more idea
[16:36] <leaftype2> tgm4883: how do I set it to ignore?
[16:37] <tgm4883> leaftype2: if you open network manager, you should be able to edit the connection for your wifi SSID. IIRC, there is an IPv6 tab which you can set to ignore
[16:37] <tgm4883> leaftype2: if you open network manager, you should be able to edit the connection for your wired connection. IIRC, there is an IPv6 tab which you can set to ignore
[16:37] <leaftype2> tgm4883: also... what is the .local domain? The machine was complaining about it a few days ago, but I ignored it because it didn't affect me
[16:38] <tgm4883> leaftype2: that shouldn't be affecting any of this. It's wrong and shouldn't be used, but shouldn't be causing internet connectivity issues
[16:39] <PaulePanter> Hi. I ran `ubuntu-bugs xorg` to report an issue regarding the proprietary NVIDIA graphics driver shipped with Ubuntu 16.04.
[16:39] <PaulePanter> I wasn’t able to attach a screenshot though, and have no idea where that report was sent to.
[16:40] <PaulePanter> Reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/140379/how-can-i-track-a-bug-that-caused-a-crash-and-was-reported-via-apport-whoopsie it looks like, no bug report will be created. Is that right?
[16:40] <PaulePanter> Can I somehow find the report?
[16:45] <leaftype> goddamn it. webchat froze on me again
[16:47] <leaftype> so... how was I supposed to disabl ipv5 again?
[16:47] <leaftype> 6*
[16:48] <core_> yo
[16:48] <core_> ?
 leaftype2: if you open network manager, you should be able to edit the connection for your wired connection. IIRC, there is an IPv6 tab which you can set to ignore
[16:50] <Eightynine> https://pastebin.com/0in16Fya please, check this. Update manager says that there is problem checking updates.
[16:50] <core_> exit
[16:51] <oerheks> Eightynine, why did you not copy the command used?
[16:53] <jpmh> I am backing up my server to another one using rsync - very happy - I would like to be able to have incremental copies though so that I could back down ti any point in time.  What is recommended to do this
[16:54] <pavlos> Eightynine: did you run 'update-manager' from the terminal (instead of gui)
[16:54] <leaftype> what does it mean when ubuntu tells me "Network disovery disabled" because my current network has a .local domain?
[16:55] <pavlos> leaftype: what's the hostname (contents of /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname)
[16:56] <Eightynine> Yes, I did. I thought it's not necessary to copy that command.
[16:56] <pavlos> Eightynine: I ran the command from term, I got 3 warning and then it updates my system.
[16:57] <leaftype> pavlos: let me write it down in a paste. One second, and be wary of typos
[16:58] <noahmg123_> I have both PHP 5.5 and PHP 5.6 installed. How do I tell apache to use only PHP 5.6?
[16:58] <pavlos> leaftype: the name should be the same in those files
[16:58] <Eightynine> It shows red round icon with white - in it and when I click left mouse button on it it says "Problem when checking updates"
[16:59] <leaftype> pavlos: they are
[16:59] <pavlos> Eightynine: can you run 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' in the term?
[17:00] <pavlos> leaftype: you said there is no proxy to get to the internet, right?
[17:00] <ducasse_> jpmh: look at rsnapshot
[17:00] <leaftype> pavlos: not that I see. I'm obviously not an expert though
[17:00] <Eightynine> Forgot to say, I can check updates manually, I can check and install them using Ubuntu Software or Gnome Software too. I have no idea why it shows that icon.
[17:01] <leaftype> pavlos: I can't shake this feeling that it has to do with the .local domain warning that Ubuntu gave me,s aying that network discovery was disabled because of... avahi I think
[17:02] <leaftype> pavlos: am I wrong for thinking that it's connected?
[17:02] <Eightynine> I ran that command in terminal without any problems.
[17:03] <pavlos> leaftype: there is something about avahi ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/339702/network-service-discovery-disabled-what-does-this-mean-for-me
[17:04] <pavlos> leaftype: see answer given 12 votes
[17:06] <pavlos> Eightynine: can you pastebin 'apt policy update-manager'
[17:08] <leaftype> pavlos: did that, and it does nothing to the internet working
[17:09] <Eightynine> https://pastebin.com/rNJRqMtv my system is in Russian I translated some text in paste in English.
[17:10] <pavlos> leaftype: you changed the parameter from .local to .alocal or something
[17:11] <leaftype> pavlos: I uncommented it and changed it from local to .alocal
[17:11] <pavlos> Eightynine: I got the same
[17:12] <pavlos> leaftype: idk ... can someone help?
[17:13] <TheSov> anyone know how to start mysql with options in 16.04? when i run mysqld --skip-grant-tables --skip-networking & it quits out so im trying to figure out what other option i need
[17:16] <cyrano> I've re-installed Ubuntu MATE, in order to fix my repositories, but now they come up as this
[17:16] <cyrano> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24375156/
[17:20] <cyrano> Should I get edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[17:22] <nacc> cyrano: this is a fresh mate install?
[17:22] <nacc> cyrano: or did you edit sources.list already after installing?
[17:22] <deww> TheSov: i just tried it and it started up with your same command.
[17:23] <nacc> TheSov: 'it quits out' would imply it emits an error
[17:23] <cyrano> This is not a fresh install, nor did I edit sources.list yet.
[17:23] <leaftype> ah! got it!
[17:24] <nacc> cyrano: oh you just said "I've reinstalled Ubuntu MATE"...
[17:24] <TheSov> well i accidently unset the root password now im trying to recover it
[17:24] <cyrano> Wait....reinstalling is still a fresh install? okay lol
[17:24] <ducasse_> cyrano: pastebin sources.list
[17:24] <nacc> cyrano: 'fresh install' as in did you just finish installing.
[17:24] <leaftype> tgm4883: pavlos , it was the IPv6 DNS. It works if I change them to google DNS
[17:25] <cyrano> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24375217/
[17:25] <pavlos> leaftype: so you configured dns to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[17:25] <tgm4883> leaftype: did you disable the ipv6 in network manager? You shouldn't get an ipv6 dns when that's disabled
[17:26] <TheSov> so the real question would be how do recover a mysql room password in 16.04?
[17:26] <ducasse_> cyrano: try commenting out line 80
[17:26] <uldics> Hell Oo!! Anyone knows the official 17.04 release time?
[17:26] <tgm4883> TheSov: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[17:26] <tgm4883> actually, probably mysql-server-<version>
[17:26] <leaftype> tgm4883: I never did see your comment how to do it, so no. I don't see the setting to turn it off in networks either, though I'm probably blind
[17:26] <nacc> uldics: the ISOs have released; the upgrade will be offered a bit later once the mirrors are synced
[17:27] <nacc> uldics: it's somewhat mirror dependent on when your system will see the upgrade
[17:27] <uldics> Thanks :)
[17:27] <cyrano> Do you mean by deleting it or just by putting a "#" sign over it?
[17:27] <nacc> uldics: yw
[17:27] <ducasse_> cyrano: a # at the beginning of it
[17:28] <leaftype> pavlos: that didn't work exactly, had to do it in the ipv6 settings. So 2001:4860:4860::8888 and 2001:4860:48060:8844
[17:28] <TheSov> tgm4883, that did nothing
[17:28] <LinuxerNewbie> good afternooon
[17:28] <tgm4883> TheSov: what did you run?
[17:28] <LinuxerNewbie> how to solved issues lenovo ideapad 100s 11 " lby ubuntu ?
[17:29] <TheSov> dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[17:29] <pavlos> leaftype: what are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf (it should be 2 lines
[17:30] <cyrano> Ah yes, it worked! Thank you ducasse. So from now on, I should probably just refrain from adding repositories that might break my computer?
[17:30] <leaftype> pavlos: it's one line: " nameserver 127.0.1.1"
[17:31] <pavlos> leaftype: ok, that's fine
[17:33] <ducasse_> cyrano: yes, ppas may or may not work, they're entirely your responsibility. if you need something in particular, ask here for suggestions.
[17:34] <cyrano> Okay, so it seems that the Ubuntu Software Center isn't on my computer, how do I install it?
[17:34] <nacc> cyrano: use gnome software if on 16.04 or later
[17:35] <oerheks> LinuxerNewbie, that ideapad 100 has 32 bit uefi? yo will need a trick to install, even then not all hardware is working properly, tons of guides to find online, but non of them give a 100% working system
[17:35] <ducasse_> cyrano: which ubuntu version is this?
[17:36] <cyrano> 16.04.2
[17:36] <cyrano> I'm already getting around to installing gnome-software
[17:37] <LinuxerNewbie> oveheks yes
[17:37] <LinuxerNewbie> but no freezing
[17:37] <LinuxerNewbie> ?
[17:37] <ducasse_> cyrano: software center has been replaced by gnome-software, but afaik software-center should still be available
[17:38] <oerheks> LinuxerNewbie, explain "but no freezing" ?
[17:39] <oerheks> that lenovo 100 is hopeless, AFAIK.
[17:39] <cyrano> There is "OS Updates" in the updates tab, but it doesn't install, what is it?
[17:40] <Guest67888> Hi guys! Does anybody know how to fix the ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR issue for Ubuntu 16.04.2 amd64? Chrome and Chromium shows this error from time to time as well as the Firefox. Sometimes I can't reach Google website. But the curious thing is that i386 version works well
[17:40] <xangua> cyrano: I recommend you to use the update manager for updates, not the Ubuntu store
[17:41] <ducasse_> Guest67888: that must be an old chrome/i386, because that no longer exists
[17:41] <LinuxerNewbie> blocking
[17:41] <LinuxerNewbie> overheaks blocking
[17:42] <Guest67888> ducasse, no, this is the latest Chrome, as well as Chromium
[17:42] <Guest67888> Also, Firefox shows the same error sometimes. For example, I can't view Wikipedia
[17:42] <Guest67888> Some styles and pictures are not loaded
[17:42] <ducasse_> LinuxerNewbie: what oerheks is saying is that machine is no good with linux
[17:43] <Guest67888> And sometimes it's just a blank page
[17:44] <oerheks> LinuxerNewbie, overheating trouble? that could be a known issue too
[17:45] <tgm4883> Guest67888: I think he was saying that it has to be an old chrome because 32-bit chrome doesn't exist anymore
[17:46] <Guest67888> tgm4883, got it. But what about Firefox? Looks like some libraries are broken
[17:46] <Guest67888> Like libnss
[17:46] <Guest67888> Perhaps
[17:47] <LinuxerNewbie> overheks blocking system
[17:47] <oerheks> Guest67888, maybe you run into comodo ssl certificates on those websites...
[17:48] <oerheks> or was it symantec ?
[17:48] <cyrano> Okay, so what else should I do after a fresh install?
[17:48] <omgubuntu17> how comes I get 'no new release found' when doing do-release-upgrade?
[17:48] <pvh_sa> omgubuntu17, which release are you currently on?
[17:48] <omgubuntu17> 16.10
[17:48] <Guest67888> oerheks, no, Wikipedia is DigiCert Inc
[17:48] <oerheks> LinuxerNewbie, i would put windows back on it and be happy
[17:48] <Guest67888> oerheks, but I still getting these issues
[17:49] <LinuxerNewbie> oh
[17:49] <LinuxerNewbie> but i like linux
[17:50] <tgm4883> LinuxerNewbie: then buy hardware that likes Linux
[17:50] <AndyLC> hi guys, is this the general support or help channel?
[17:50] <LinuxerNewbie> thanks
[17:51] <ducasse_> AndyLC: this is the support channel, yes
[17:52] <AndyLC> I'm having an issue setting my IP as static with the GUI on 16.04. Whenever I edit the subnet mask (255.255.255.0) and click save to set my static IP, for some reason, the subnet mask always resets to 24, and wont allow me to get online
[17:52] <ducasse_> AndyLC: /24 = 255.255.255.0
[17:52] <AndyLC> ducasse_ so, then it's a problem with my router?
[17:53] <tgm4883> AndyLC: when connected, can you ping your gateway?
[17:53] <ducasse_> AndyLC: i'm just saying those are the same thing, just different notation
[17:54] <grendal_prime> is there a way to lock down the proxy settings tool so only administartors have access to it?
[17:54] <AndyLC> tgm4883 I'm not sure how to ping my gateway, but I am able to access the webGUI
[17:54] <tgm4883> AndyLC: can you ping '8.8.8.8'
[17:58] <AndyLC> tgm4883 I think I'm just setting up my static IP wrong, because I set it back to Automatic and I was able to get online
[17:58] <grendal_prime> you have a dhcp server then
[17:58] <tgm4883> AndyLC: yea I think so too
[17:58] <genii> That's not an IP issue, that's a gateway or DNS issue
[17:59] <grendal_prime> open terminal and run ifconfig
[17:59] <grendal_prime> see w hat your settings are now.
[17:59] <tgm4883> AndyLC: but since you won't actually do anything that people that are trying to help you are asking, good luck with that
[17:59] <AndyLC> The thing is, that PC, I want as a Plex server, which I believe needs a static IP..
[18:00] <genii> AndyLC: The best way is just leave auto dhcp on the computer, and then in your router always give that machine the same address
[18:00] <AndyLC> tgm4883, I don't know a lot of terminal commands, sorry that's why I said I didn't know how to do it. But while just tweaking I was able to get it to work
[18:01] <AndyLC> genii I'll try that instead, seems a lot easier to just do that, thanks :)
[18:01] <grendal_prime> AndyLC, do you have access to the router on this network?  It sounds to me like an autoratative dhcp server you may have to specify an ip address at the dhcp server that will give your plex server a specific ip address based on its mac address.
[18:01] <quem> granddad's old laptop broke, so i bought him a new one. i had put lubuntu on the old one to breathe new life into it, and to stop my youngest cousins from infesting it with malware.
[18:02] <AndyLC> grendal_prime yeah, it's a DD-WRT router that I have set up as a repeater bridge, but I'm really new to all this networking and ubuntu scene and I'm learning off youtube videos
[18:03] <quem> so, i'm wondering which variants of ubuntu are the most appropriate for nearly computer illiterate people?
[18:03] <grendal_prime> ok, start with the ddwrt device then.
[18:05] <AndyLC> I just finished setting it up, I got it working on the other PC on ethernet. Would you recommend any guides, or..?
[18:05] <grendal_prime> but on the machine your working with you need to find out what ip information it has been handed.  So like from a terminal..start with  tracepath google.com
[18:06] <AndyLC> k
[18:06] <grendal_prime> that should show you what the gateway ip address is on your network, more than likely the address of the ddwrt
[18:07] <AndyLC> ok, it shows me various ips, numbered 1-15, after that I get no reply
[18:08] <j09> Hi folks. Sorry to be a bother but I've been trying to get Ubuntu 17.04 up and running. I've dded it to a USB and booted off of it. However, before it reaches any menus, it stops and displays the following output: http://i.imgur.com/1QR9UNa.jpg Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might work this out?
[18:08] <AndyLC> I know the address of the DDWRT, and also the main modem/router where the DDWRT gets the signal that it bridges and repeats from
[18:09] <pavlos> AndyLC: section 6, gui ... https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/howto-set-a-static-ip-on-ubuntu/
[18:09] <kostkon> !nomodeset | j09
[18:10] <grendal_prime> I need to lock down access to the users proxy settings. is that possible?
[18:11] <AndyLC> pavlos that's what I did, there's a video on YouTube that has the same steps but it didn't work.
[18:11] <Chunkyz> all setup and done :)
[18:12] <grendal_prime> andylc ..did you restart the interface
[18:12] <thetamax> I think I broke something... anytime I type an unknown command in the terminal, I get this: "Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/dbm/gnu.py", line 4, in <module>" followed by a lot more stuff like it
[18:12] <thetamax> I had to install a new version of python and re-map the python3 alias to it, did I screw something up with that?
[18:12] <nacc> thetamax: yes, that was not a good choice
[18:12] <thetamax> nacc: oh no :( what should I do?
[18:12] <grendal_prime> broken python script looks like
[18:12] <nacc> thetamax: installing/changing python versions tends to break things if you don't do it correctly
[18:13] <nacc> thetamax: as python is basically a system-level library at this point on ubuntu
[18:13] <nacc> thetamax: don't change the python3 alias
[18:13] <thetamax> nacc: learning that the hard way now, heh
[18:13] <thetamax> nacc: if I change the alias back, everything should be as it was before, right?
[18:13] <grendal_prime> yep
[18:13] <nacc> thetamax: change it back to whatever it was, and then invoke your python3 with an explicit path, i guess
[18:14] <thetamax> ok, thanks. hopefully I can fix this without making it worse :)
[18:15] <Guest37898> What should i do after installing Ubuntu?
[18:15] <Chunkyz> Guest37898, have fun. :)
[18:15] <tgm4883> Guest67888: reboot
[18:15] <tgm4883> Otherwise you're still be in the live environment
[18:16] <Chunkyz> apart from the obvious xD
[18:16] <kostkon> Guest37898, which release?
[18:16] <Chunkyz> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (7.2 GiB Free) Swap: 1000.0 MiB Total (1000.0 MiB Free) • Storage: 48.5 GB / 1.1 TB (1.1 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 8m 55s
[18:16] <Chunkyz> I like zesty so far.
[18:16] <nacc> Chunkyz: please don't do that
[18:16] <Chunkyz> !isitoutyet
[18:17] <Chunkyz> nacc, do what?
[18:17] <nacc> Chunkyz: paste random information about your system, that's not appropriate for this channel
[18:17] <Chunkyz> nacc, OK
[18:17] <Guest67888> tgm4883, it doesn't work. Itried to reboot, install AMD microcode, setup the system time. All of that doesn't work
[18:18] <Guest67888> Can't even imagine what's wrong, but x64 Windows 7 works well. Also, VirtualBox-installed images of Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based dirtros also works well, but only for i386
[18:19] <Guest37898> What can i do, if Orca Screenreader is not working? I am a blind Linux User.
[18:19] <Guest67888> And when I'm trying to use x64 Ubuntu-based distros (14.04, 16.04 etc.) it still show the same SSL protocol error
[18:20] <Chunkyz> nacc, so it's ok for Guest37898 to keep trolling?
[18:20] <Guest67888> As well a Ubuntu
[18:20] <nacc> Chunkyz: don't let anyone else's behavior determine your own
[18:20] <Chunkyz> nacc, it was a serious question...
[18:20] <nacc> Chunkyz: and no, that's not ok
[18:21] <yesimon> I tried using gnome-disks to auto-mount an external HDD, but it didn't change /etc/fstab
[18:21] <yesimon> should I just manually edit /etc/fstab
[18:22] <Guest37898> Sorry I don't want trolling again.
[18:23] <tomreyn> yesimon: gnome-disks uses gnome-vfs for mounting, works differently to mount (and mount is used during boot, interpreting /etc/fstab)
[18:23] <grendal_prime> nevermind on the proxy server, i figured it out.
[18:24] <tomreyn> yesimon: gnome-vfs will not modify /etc/fstab (nor will 'mount')
[18:24] <premanand> hi
[18:26] <yesimon> tomreyn: From what I understand I need to use gnome-disks to automount on plugin?
[18:30] <yesimon> Also is there any way I can check the gnome-disks config files?
[18:30] <yesimon> The GUI is less than intuitive
[18:32] <ducasse_> yesimon: i doubt it has any as such, it probably uses gsettings or whatever it is gnome does now
[18:34] <scripto12> Hi, i wrote an app and i packaged it with ansible but the users saw a lot of problems with ansible, so i decided to give manual install steps and that also wasnt easy because my users are not professional linux users, now i have one more option and that is to script it in either python or bash, what do you guys think is the best way with novice users ?
[18:34] <yesimon> scripto12: Package into .deb ?
[18:35] <scripto12> yesimon: i've never done that, but i think it would probably solve all dependency issues, right ?
[18:35] <yesimon> Yes it really is the best way if you're only deploying on linux
[18:36] <kostkon> scripto12, https://snapcraft.io/
[18:37] <bray90820> What Kernel version does 17.04 come with
[18:38] <ducasse_> bray90820: 4.10
[18:38] <kostkon> bray90820, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[18:39] <bray90820> ducasse_: kostkon Sweet thanks
[18:40] <waltman> I just did an apt update, but it's not saying anything about zesty. Is it still rolling out?
[18:41] <YankDownUnder> waltman: You're not going to see much if you're doing "basic updates/upgrades" - from 16.04.2...
[18:41] <waltman> I'm on 16.10.
[18:42] <bray90820> waltman:  "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" in the trminal should upgrade you
[18:42] <YankDownUnder> waltman: Have you actually followed the "upgrade" steps...or are you doing just "updates and upgrades"?
[18:42] <bray90820> NO
[18:42] <bray90820> waltman: Wrong code
[18:42] <Guest37898> How can i remove Ubuntu from an Windows dualBoot with an Ubuntu Live CD? And Again, I don't trolling anymore.
[18:42] <bray90820> waltman:  here is the correct code "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[18:43] <scripto12> kostkon: is snapcraft an industry standard now or its little early to tell ?
[18:43] <yesimon> Guest37898: boot into live cd, delete ubuntu/linux partition, boot into windows, expand partition to fill empty space
[18:44] <waltman> Ah. In the past I've seen messages from ubuntu about there being a new version available. I guess I just assumed that after an update I'd start seeing that message when I logged in.
[18:44] <yesimon> scripto12: it's not standard - just one of a competing format. use *.deb for max compatibility
[18:44] <ducasse_> waltman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes tells you how to upgrade. if the steps there don't work you need to wait.
[18:44] <yesimon> scripto12: fpm can help you make a deb
[18:44] <waltman> I just found those, thanks.
[18:44] <fadavi> hello there. my laptop screen, turns off and again turn on several times (several black screens) during boot. can i fix it to show only one black screen before showing login screen?
[18:45] <kostkon> scripto12, snaps along with flatpacks are the two next generation package formats that are gaining steam. Snaps are already supported in 14.04+ and most of the other major distros. And there's no dependency hell
[18:46] <Guest37898> But i must remove the Ubuntu Bootloader before booting into Windows 10. Is it possible with an Ubuntu Live CD?
[18:46] <Borw3> guys, now that ubuntu 18.04 is going to gnome, will we be able to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 with unity and get gnome?
[18:46] <nacc> Borw3: let's worry abou that when 18.04 is actually in development
[18:47] <nacc> Borw3: offtopic for this channel anyways
[18:47] <nacc> Borw3: the upgrade path will be tested and should work fine
[18:47] <Borw3> nacc: so we will get ubuntu gnome desktop as default?
[18:47] <ducasse_> Borw3: wait and see
[18:47] <nacc> Borw3: it's not a rational question to ask -- 18.04 hasn't even started yet
[18:48] <nacc> Borw3: so just wait until it's even reasonable to consider
[18:48] <Borw3> nacc: A friend of mine said Ubuntu is dead, and I should go to debian lol
[18:48] <nacc> (in the support channel that is)
[18:48] <yesimon> Guest37898: just keep GRUB or whatever you're using - it's not worth the headachds
[18:48] <nacc> Borw3: well, that's nice to hear. Why is that relevant in the support channel?
[18:49] <kostkon> Borw3, ubuntu is 13 years old and still much alive
[18:49] <rud0lf> how is gonna be 17.10 named?
[18:49] <rud0lf> they've reached z
[18:49] <Southern_Gentlem> AAA
[18:49] <Borw3> AA I think.
[18:49] <nacc> rud0lf: not yet announced
[18:49] <rud0lf> char wrap bug
[18:49] <rud0lf> ;)
[18:49] <YankDownUnder> Ubuntu is dead? Far out. I reckon all the corporates that utilise it on backends should be made aware of this...(sarcasm is probably useless this morning)
[18:49] <nacc> rud0lf: also, it's not alphabetical
[18:50] <nacc> rud0lf: so it doesn't matter that it's at z
[18:50] <zenguy> https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229#vulnDescriptionTitle  what's the word on this?
[18:50] <Borw3> YankDownUnder: It's morning were you are?
[18:50] <YankDownUnder> Borw3: "Down Under" => Australia. Yes. It's Friday.
[18:50] <nacc> Zerant: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-10229.html
[18:50] <nacc> bah
[18:50] <nacc> zenguy: --^
[18:51] <Borw3> YankDownUnder: LOL
[18:51] <zenguy> thanks nacc, cool nickname by the way
[18:51] <Southern_Gentlem> YankDownUnder,  and what kernel are you running
[18:51] <YankDownUnder> Southern_Gentlem: I stick with LTS versions.
[18:51] <nacc> zenguy: yw, you can use usn/cve tracker to find any such status: https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[18:51] <Southern_Gentlem> YankDownUnder,  and what kernel are you running
[18:52] <YankDownUnder> Southern_Gentlem: 4.4
[18:52] <Southern_Gentlem> then you may have an issue
[18:53] <Guest37898> What should i do before i dualboot Windows 10 and Ubuntu?
[18:53] <ducasse> YankDownUnder: "Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus): not-affected (4.4.0-2.16)"
[18:53] <YankDownUnder> Southern_Gentlem: It hasn't seemed to be an issue, doesn't appear to be an issue right now, and I don't foresee it as being an issue in the near future...hmmm...
[18:53] <Borw3> ducasse: 14.04?
[18:54] <scripto12> kostkon: yesimon: is there a standard between linux app developers these days, or its all based on preferences, my app is written in C and I support it on redhat and ubuntu ?
[18:55] <Guest15531> hola
[18:56] <yesimon> the standard is to provide packages for every possible user: deb, rpm, flatpack, snap, docker image, conda, brew etc
[18:56] <ducasse> Guest37898: are you trying to install ubuntu or remove it?
[18:56] <yesimon> If you want to satisfy everybody
[18:56] <kostkon> scripto12, well the standard is still debs for debian and rpm for red hat based still
[18:56] <yesimon> If not, just make a deb,rpm using fpm
[18:56] <kostkon> minus *still*
[18:56] <yesimon> That's the easiest most-compatible way
[18:57] <Guest37898> I'm trying to install Ubuntu
[18:57] <scripto12> thanks guys
[18:58] <rud0lf> Guest37898: you might need to disable hibernation and fastboot on windows
[18:58] <ducasse> Guest37898: then the only thing you should do is prepare space for it
[18:59] <rud0lf> it was overwriting boot record and was going directly to windows after boot
[18:59] <rud0lf> plus it was 'disarming' liveusb
[18:59] <rud0lf> rendering it unusable
[18:59] <Guest37898> I know how to disable Fast Startup. But How can i disable Hibernation?
[19:00] <rx-determine> it has to be in the same place as fast startup
[19:00] <waltman> sudo do-release-upgrade says "No new release found". I guess it's still rolling out then?
[19:00] <tomreyn> Guest37898: ask in ##windows
[19:00] <Guest37898> Sorry
[19:01] <Borw3> ubuntu 12.04 is still recieving security updates?
[19:01] <ducasse> Borw3: for a short while longer.
[19:02] <nacc> waltman: yes, it'll be a few hours at least, due to mirror propogation and a last-minute bugfix for upgraders
[19:03] <waltman> aha. OK, I'll wait until tonight or tomorrow then.
[19:03] <Borw3> Also does Ubuntu Kylin ahve english option?
[19:04] <rud0lf> Guest37898: as administrator run cmd.exe, and execute: powercfg /h off
[19:05] <Guest37898> Should i also backup my Data before dualbooting?
[19:06] <sipior> Guest37898: and every other time, yes
[19:07] <Southern_Gentlem> Guest37898, yes backups are required anythime you are doing major changes to a storage system
[19:07] <Guest37898> But why should i also disable Hibernation and not only Fast Startup?
[19:09] <rud0lf> i'm just repeating what i had to do
[19:10] <rud0lf> it's something with proper detection of windows partition by dual boot
[19:10] <rx-determine> you are using grub or lilo
[19:11] <rx-determine> both of then as to add the windows partition
[19:11] <kostkon> Guest37898, disable it or not the option to hibernate is not show by default in ubuntu because it was deemed unreliable
[19:11] <kostkon> shown*
[19:11] <Guest37898> I use Grub for dualbooting Windows 10 and Ubuntu.
[19:12] <rx-determine> same you have to add the partition for windows, it has  a option
[19:12] <rx-determine> in grub
[19:14] <Guest37898> Which Key should i press to open the Language selection Menu of the Ubuntu Welcome Screen?
[19:16] <rx-determine> I have a girl from the netherlands in my neighbourwood
[19:16] <rx-determine> she likes me, but we are not connecting
[19:16] <Ravexina> is there any way to verify a deb package files permission? debsums seems useless ...
[19:17] <rx-determine> I better find a girl this summer, because in the next winter things are going to be cold
[19:17] <nacc> !ot | rx-determine: please stay ontopic:
[19:17] <nacc> Ravexina: what do you mean by 'verify a deb package files permission'?
[19:18] <ioria> Ravexina, the pkg is already installed ?
[19:18] <rx-determine> ok
[19:19] <Ravexina> Verify that all files installed by a specific packages are okay ( their permission is ok - suid etc)
[19:19] <xiusfist> you know I kind of hated it at first but after learing the keyboard shortcuts, unity is kind of comfy.
[19:19] <tgm4883> !discuss | xiusfist
[19:19] <nacc> Ravexina: what is 'okay' in this context? are you asking if you can verify the package as-installed is the same as-intended by the packager?
[19:19] <Ravexina> ioria: Yes, an installed package.
[19:20] <ioria> Ravexina,  well, in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ your pkg . md5sum  you can find the hashes
[19:20] <Ravexina> nacc: I'm asking about any changes in permission of installed file after installation
[19:21] <ioria> Ravexina,  but it's what debsums does
[19:21] <nacc> Ravexina: `dpkg --verify` might do that .. but i suppose a clever hacker who chagned your permissions can also change your md5sum
[19:21] <Ravexina> ioria: yeah, I tried that, it's only checks the hashs not the permissions.
[19:21] <ioria> Ravexina,  yep
[19:22] <tgm4883> Does debian packaging even know about file permisions?
[19:22] <ioria> Ravexina,  why you're asking ? i mean ... your issue ?
[19:23] <Ravexina> ioria: I think I messed up some with my /bin, I couldn't ping for example. I fixed it, but what I did was dumb
[19:23] <ioria> Ravexina,  ping is suided, yes
[19:24] <Ravexina> Simply I did a deb-reconfigure on all pacakges which had any file in /bin to fix the issue
[19:24] <ioria> Ravexina,  -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May  7  2014 /bin/ping
[19:25] <Ravexina> ioria: yep it's okay now... but it didn't have suid before I ran dpg-reconfigure on it.
[19:25] <ioria> Ravexina,  are you sure ?
[19:26] <Ravexina> ioria: Yep, because I was cpied whole bin somewhere else. I think that was the cause of problem
[19:26] <ioria> i see
[19:26] <ioria> Ravexina,  are you worried about an escalation attempt ?
[19:26] <nacc> i think the only way to verify permissions etc as-installed is to extract the packages by hand
[19:27] <nacc> but even that won't run postinst etc which might change something
[19:27] <nacc> so would be simplest to use a VM/snapshot/container and compare, i guess
[19:27] <nacc> Ravexina: mucking around in /bin (which requires root to do) is not usually a good idea
[19:28] <nacc> Ravexina: and doing things that require root, without fully understanding what you're doing, is a fast way to wreck your system
[19:28] <Ravexina> ioria: nope, everything is fine... actually I was trying to test something I suggest myself to fix another problem
[19:29] <ioria> Ravexina,  ok ^ nacc
[19:29] <Ravexina> nacc, ioria: then today I find out I can't use ping.
[19:29] <ioria> Ravexina,  you maybe sis something with perms
[19:29] <Ravexina> ioria, nacc I checked for permisions like:  find /bin -perm /6000
[19:29] <nullbyte_> when 17.04 will be released with apt-get
[19:29] <Guest37898> What is the Difference between a normal Ubuntu Install and a Ubuntu-Installation with LVM?
[19:30] <ioria> *did
[19:30] <xangua> nullbyte_: it is
[19:30] <nacc> xangua: not quite
[19:30] <xangua> Oh system update
[19:30] <nacc> nullbyte_: the ISOs are out, mirrors are still updating and it will probably be later today when the upgrade is offered
[19:30] <nacc> nullbyte_: but you shouldn't use apt-get to update releases
[19:30] <xangua> Didn't get the question
[19:30] <nacc> nullbyte_: use do-release-upgrade
[19:30] <Ravexina> ioria, nacc: the I find out nothing has suid or guid so I wrote a script to fix the issue and it did but I was after a way to do it better.
[19:31] <nacc> Guest37898: i think you have been asking this question quite a bit lately? -- LVM is the difference
[19:31] <nacc> !lvm | Guest37898
[19:31] <nullbyte_> nacc: OK
[19:31] <nullbyte_> .
[19:31] <foafron> Hello, I was testing out ubuntu gnome 17.04 but when I try to install zfs I get an error like that package doesn't exist.
[19:31] <ioria> Ravexina,  you first should know what you did ... before the issue :)
[19:31] <nacc> Ravexina: yes, but how did you get to the point where they were not suid? You made some changes as root?
[19:31] <nacc> Ravexina: don't do things as root you don't know how to undo :)
[19:31] <Ravexina> just moved the bin
[19:32] <Ravexina> then restored it
[19:32] <nacc> foafron: there is no zfs package in ubuntu
[19:32] <ioria> Ravexina,  don't do it
[19:33] <nacc> foafron: you don't (iirc) need to install anything to use ZFS as the non-root filesystem, and you can install zfsutils-linux if you need the cli tools
[19:33] <Ravexina> ioria: never gonna do it again
[19:33] <Ravexina> ioria, nacc: thanks for help ;)
[19:34] <ioria> Ravexina,  try to simply cp you /usr/ping in your home
[19:34] <ioria> Ravexina,  you'll loose the s
[19:34] <foafron> nacc: Ok. Is this a change from 16.04 and 16.10?  I was following the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[19:35] <yesimon> My playonlinux cannot create disks/download apps - I tried purging and reinstalling wine and playonlinux packages to no avail
[19:35] <yesimon> At what point do I reinstall because this system has not been clean installed in years
[19:35] <ioria> Ravexina,  /bin/ping, i mean
[19:36] <EriC^^> yesimon: do you get any errors?
[19:36] <nacc> foafron: not that i know of -- zfs isnt' a package in debian or ubuntu itself; i wonder if it's a metapackage or symbol
[19:36] <yesimon> (I had a previously working playonlinux install, that wasn'y updated for like 2 years and wasn't installing apps so I went down this path)
[19:36] <nacc> foafron: but i also don't use zfs
[19:36] <Guest37898> When i try to install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10, I get a Message that says that the Firmware of my Laptop has started the Ubuntu Installer in UEFI Mode. To boot Windows again after installation i shouldn't install Ubuntu in UEFI Mode because Windows 10 is installed in BIOS Mode. What can i do to remove this Message?
[19:36] <nacc> Guest67888: install Ubuntu in BIOS mode as well (non-UEFI)
[19:36] <yesimon> So I launched it from command line, only error I get is `env `"` not such path ` etc
[19:36] <yesimon> when trying to download apps
[19:37] <nacc> bah, Guest37898: install Ubuntu in BIOS mode as well (non-UEFI)
[19:37] <yesimon> It's just completely bizarro because I purged/reinstalled wine+playonlinx+playonlinux random folders in my homedir
[19:37] <Guest37898> But how can i install Ubuntu in BIOS Mode?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Guest37898:  use legacy mode
[19:38] <Bashing-om> Guest37898: Boot the USB installer in legacy (CCSM) mode .
[19:39] <nacc> Guest37898: if windows is in bios mode, you must have toggled your config to be in uefi mode
[19:39] <nacc> Guest37898: or are using the wrong installer path, as Bashing-om and BluesKaj are saying
[19:39] <Sparrow__> BluesKaj, My laptop called it cms mode or something, it was not easy to find
[19:40] <Jakethepython1> hello room i am having trouble w/ my touchpad palm detection i already  xinput set-prop {id} "Synaptics Palm Detection" 1
[19:40] <Jakethepython1> the id was 14
[19:40] <Bashing-om> Sparrow__: Guest37898 There is no standard . each manufacturer does it different .
[19:40] <Guest37898> But how can i change that? I'm a blind User.
[19:40] <foafron> nacc: I followed your instructions and have cli tools now.  Thanks. It does seem to be different though.  I remember doing 'sudo apt install zfs' in the past
[19:40] <nacc> foafron: not sure, it's possible in 16.04 it was a metapackage and it chagned
[19:41] <nacc> foafron: or maybe you were using a PPA?
[19:41] <nacc> foafron: not sure
[19:41] <nudoge> check the changelog
[19:41] <foafron> nacc: No I didn't have any ppas install.  As long as it works I guess.  Thanks again!
[19:42] <nacc> foafron: np, i'm not seeing anything obvious
[19:42] <Sparrow__> guest37898 You will need sighted help or a lot or time and researching on your part to set legacy or non-ue.. config
[19:42] <nacc> foafron: spinning up a vm, one sec
[19:42] <nacc> foafron: Note, selecting 'zfsutils-linux' instead of 'zfs'
[19:42] <nacc> foafron: that's what apt did in 16.04
[19:43] <Guest37898> But the BIOS is in english Language and my Father can't speak english.
[19:43] <nacc> foafron: ah and zfsutils-linux 'provides' zfs
[19:43] <nacc> foafron: or did
[19:43] <foafron> nacc: ahhh. ok.  that explains it! :)
[19:43] <Sparrow__> guest give us your specific make and model of your system
[19:43] <nacc> foafron: sort of :)
[19:44] <yesimon> Also, is there any way to automate removing PPAs from sources.list.d for do-release-upgrade ?
[19:44] <nacc> yesimon: i believe do-release-upgrade already does that
[19:44] <bekks> yesimon: yes, ppa-purge
[19:44] <yesimon> I can't believe this is something that hasn't been addressed yet
[19:45] <nacc> oh removing them, different tahn skipping them
[19:45] <yesimon> Well it doesn't allow upgrade to progress if there are invalid entries
[19:45] <bekks> yesimon: It is addressed. the tool is named "ppa-purge".
[19:45] <yesimon> I have to manually edit it or use ppa-purge
[19:46] <Guest37898> My Laptop is from HP and also the BIOS. The SSD, The Grafics Card and the Processor are from Intel. The Intel Processor is a quatcore Processor. and On the SSD is Windows 10 installed.
[19:46] <ioria> yesimon, when you install ppa , files on your system will be modified, but ppa are not officially supported... how can be addressed ?
[19:46] <Sparrow__> guest great, make and model of HP Laptop pleas?
[19:47] <yesimon> ioria: Just ignore or auto-comment out outdated PPA sources?
[19:47] <Guest37898> Unfortunately i don't know the Model name.
[19:47] <ioria> yesimon, the files ARE in your system
[19:48] <yesimon> ioria: Obviously there is a huge risk if the upgrade overwrites PPA files - but I think anybody who uses PPA already knows that
[19:48] <bekks> yesimon: no, remove packages installed from those ppa snce they might break dependencies. Just use ppa-purge
[19:48] <ioria> yesimon, you need to get rid of them... not only the sources
[19:48] <someone_> Hi , I have a question about class diagram , Can anyone help ?
[19:49] <Sparrow__> Guest, Ok, go into your bios and map out the options as mest you can especially secure boot or the uefi thing and look for legacy options then come back for help.
[19:49] <yesimon> ioria: You mean for best practices right?
[19:49] <yesimon> ioria: I've definitely upgraded without removing PPA packages in the past
[19:49] <kostkon> yesimon, the upgrade process will ignore the ppas as long as the entries in sources.list.d are not messed up otherwise it might throw an error as you've already stated
[19:49] <ioria> yesimon, yes, after you can reinstall, if you want
[19:49] <ioria> yesimon, depends
[19:50] <ioria> yesimon, you been lucky ? :þ
[19:50] <Guest37898> But how can a blind User access the BIOS withoud Sight?
[19:50] <yesimon> Anyways, I'm kind of annoyed by PPAs not being updated very often - I think I might move to just manually compiling/installing some custom software
[19:50] <oerheks> Guest37898, not i guess, you would need help with that
[19:50] <Nobabs27> what about randomness?  Like if someone just comes in and says  "wobble wobble 5 teptep"?  I'm assuming that would be off topic, right?
[19:50] <kostkon> yesimon, use snaps
[19:50] <Sparrow__> guest you said you had a family member with sight.  Figure it out then come back
[19:51] <yesimon> Yeah or just use snaps/conda whatever
[19:51] <nacc> Nobabs27: you answered your own question. and you're offtopic.
[19:51] <oerheks> Guest37898, maybe it is an idea to look for a local ubuntu community for on-site support?
[19:51] <xangua> Sparrow__: tab will help you autocomplete nicks so he can actually "see"your messages
[19:52] <Sparrow__> xangua, I know that thanks but too many guests to contend with, he can still see them, just not highlighted
[19:52] <yesimon> Hm, okay let's say I want to cleanup old PPAs *after* upgrade. Any way to automate this?
[19:52] <yesimon> Or still ppa-purge manually
[19:53] <Guest37898> It is right that my Father has Sight, But if the BIOS is in English Language, he can't speak english.
[19:54] <kostkon> yesimon, it's gonna be manual
[19:54] <Sparrow__> That isn't really ununtu support.  I feel I am being trolled so I am out.  Best of luck.
[19:55] <yesimon> :'(
[19:55] <nacc> Guest37898: if you are not trolling (and apologies if not, it is hard to tell on IRC), then you are probably best served by finding local help -- it's not trivial to help you configure your BIOS over irc
[19:55] <Guest37898> Sorry for trolling!
[19:55] <ioria> Guest37898, well, it's not the finnegans wake, he can understand that, trust me
[19:56]  * nacc has never actually seen someone apologize for trolling...
[19:56] <Nobabs27> perhaps there is another channel for BIOS support?
[19:57] <Sparrow__> Nobabs27, If he had so much as a make and model number someone with the same hardware can walk him through it in seconds.
[19:58] <Nobabs27> hmm
[19:58] <yesimon> Yeah there should be written model on the physical laptop
[19:58] <yesimon> But won't help if you're blind
[19:58] <Nobabs27> ^
[19:59] <Sparrow__> Hence the catch 22 troll statement
[19:59] <yesimon> For something non trolly - I have another question - about systemd timers
[19:59] <yesimon> How do I view the journalctl of a service that's named `myservice@.service`
[20:00] <yesimon> And say I have a timer such that it should be called `myservice@daily.service`, but `journalctl -u myservice@daily` doesn't work
[20:01] <ioria> yesimon, journalctl -f -u hello.service
[20:01] <Guest37898> I don't know why i'm trolling, but i don't want to do that.
[20:02] <yesimon> ioria: So all the different invocations get fed to the same log?
[20:02] <yesimon> myservice@daily, myservice@weekly etc
[20:02] <SimonT> hey, quick question.. I installed ubuntu server 16.04 and when it boots, it shows /dev/sda1: clean.... when I switch to TTY1, the text is yellow, but all other TTY's are normal white text... how did I change the text colour?
[20:03] <HagpycaH^^> did anyone try anbox already?
[20:03] <Eightynine> After updating to 17.04 I can't boot my system correctly anymore. I can use only Slim and XFCE. Network manager doesn't work too I have to use sudo dhclient.
[20:09] <cerion> hi. I still do not get the update with do-release-upgrade. Do you ?
[20:10] <Nobabs27> yeah I remember something about having that problem
[20:10] <Eightynine> I can't do that to I had to replace xenial with zesty in sources.list and upgrade using terminal. Update process wasn't smooth and system became buggy.
[20:10] <Nobabs27> just not sure what I did to fix it
[20:11] <Bashing-om> cerion: 16.04 to 17.04 ? what shows ' grep Prompt= /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' ?
[20:14] <tgm4883> Eightynine: thats because that's an unsupported way of upgrading...
[20:19] <FManTX> hey, I thunked 17.04 was coming out today, but so far it is not on the Releases page?
[20:19] <wombat_> FManTX, I just installed
[20:20] <Guest37898> Will the Ubuntu Version 17.05 also bring Accessibility Improvements?
[20:20] <Eightynine> tgm4883: how can I fix it now?
[20:21] <FireBeard> hello
[20:21] <tgm4883> Eightynine: IDK, I would recommend a reinstall
[20:21] <FireBeard> anyone else having problems updating?
[20:21] <tgm4883> usually faster than digging into all of that
[20:21] <FireBeard> mine keeps telling me to check my internet connection [which is fine]
[20:21] <\9> wha, 17.04 is out now?
[20:22] <\9> well that went unannounced
[20:22] <Eightynine> Anyone tried 17.04? Does it work stable?
[20:22] <FManTX> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases does not have it
[20:22] <\9> well that's a wiki so you can add it there
[20:22] <tgm4883> Eightynine: I've been on 17.04 for about a week and it seems fine to me
[20:23] <krypto_> !isitoutnow
[20:23] <krypto_> !isitoutyet
[20:23] <FManTX> it seems that the Internet is not working on my Ubuntu anymore
[20:24] <FireBeard> FManTX: problems with updating?
[20:24] <FireBeard> because, that's what I'm looking at
[20:24] <FManTX> loading web pages is ultra-slow
[20:24] <FireBeard> ah
[20:24] <FireBeard> everything works fine here, CEPT for update
[20:25] <FManTX> "Server not found" even... maybe this fixed itself by tomorrow
[20:25] <Eightynine> Could Ubuntu be updated from version to version without a problem? What's the best way to do that?
[20:25] <FireBeard> they say it can
[20:25] <FireBeard> I've never done it, I prefer clean installs
[20:25] <lizard_> FManTX, Go to Ubuntu site.
[20:26] <Eightynine> tgm4883: what flavor do you use?
[20:26] <tgm4883> Eightynine: use update-manager. Don't upgrade more than one release at  a time (or go lts->lts)
[20:26] <tgm4883> Eightynine: ubuntu gnome
[20:26] <FireBeard> Eightynine: I use Ubu Mate mostly
[20:27] <cerion> Bashing-om: from 16.10 to 17.04. Prompt=normal
[20:27] <Eightynine> FireBeard: I'm thinking to switch to it too.
[20:28] <FireBeard> no need anymore, now that Shuttleworth has switched back to Gnome, I'm sure it'll soon be back up to par with what Mate is now
[20:28] <FireBeard> all those years wasted
[20:29] <Eightynine> I hate Gnome. It's useless and heavy.
[20:29] <FireBeard> MATE is a fork of Gnome
[20:29] <FireBeard> especially to have the look and feel of Gnome version 2
[20:30] <FireBeard> besides, Gnome isn't very heavy at all
[20:30] <Eightynine> Yes, but Gnome 2 and not that useless crap Gnome 3.
[20:30] <FireBeard> mate uses Gnome 3 as a base tho, it's just made to look like 2
[20:30] <tgm4883> !discuss | FireBeard Eightynine
[20:31] <FireBeard> I've asked my support question, but nobody answers me
[20:31] <FireBeard> so there :P
[20:31] <tgm4883> FireBeard: and yet, you seem to be having a discussion
[20:31] <FireBeard> just a bit of fun
[20:31] <FireBeard> geez
[20:34] <lizard_> Hi. In Hexchat I keep having to go to Freenode then search for Ubuntu and then login?
[20:34] <FireBeard> anybody else have problems with normal updates? [16.04 lts]
[20:35] <FireBeard> lizard_: click edit
[20:35] <FireBeard> add #Ubuntu at the freenode server, hit autologin
[20:35] <tgm4883> FireBeard: I'm not having any issues, have you tried switching mirrors?
[20:36] <FireBeard> I have tried three, the Dutch one, the main server and the US one
[20:36] <lizard_> FireBeard, Thanks.
[20:36] <FireBeard> all give the same error to check my internet connection
[20:36] <FireBeard> lizard_: no problem, mate !
[20:37] <FireBeard> I think it must be my install then, oh well
[20:37] <tgm4883> FireBeard: Yea I'm using the us pool and it seems fine to me. Maybe some internet issue?
[20:37] <FireBeard> I meant autoJOIN btw, not autologin, but I'm sure you figured that out, lizard_
[20:37] <FireBeard> I'm using that pc now, so no :)
[20:37] <lizard_> FireBeard, np.
[20:38] <FireBeard> I must have broken something somewhere
[20:38] <FireBeard> gives me a chance to sort this stupid slow ssd out
[20:38] <FireBeard> thanks guys !
[20:39] <Bashing-om> cerion: Maybe your mirror has not caught up - are you on the main-line mirror ?
[20:40] <Schzd> Hello I wonder if it's possible to install ubuntu on a internal drive that  you can only boot from the Bios boot menu? and that doesnt affect anything from windows.
[20:41] <ClydeSlims> A lot of programs in my ubuntu software center do not show up. Popular programs like Skype and PlayOnLinux don't show up in search. Best way to update its sources?
[20:41] <cerion> Bashing-om: no. A different miror
[20:41] <Djikstra> get Skype from pages
[20:42] <Djikstra> theres beta
[20:42] <ClydeSlims> Djikstra, it's not about skype
[20:42] <Djikstra> ah ok
[20:42] <Djikstra> its abo sources
[20:42] <ClydeSlims> A majority of popular programs just don't show up
[20:42] <ClydeSlims> yeah
[20:42] <Djikstra> sudo apt-get update
[20:42] <Djikstra> & upgrade
[20:42] <ClydeSlims> Nothin' new
[20:43] <Djikstra> add sources
[20:43] <Djikstra> u want
[20:43] <ClydeSlims> There isn't even an add sources option in my Ubuntu Software program
[20:43] <ClydeSlims> Well..there's an "Other Software" tab in Software & Updates.
[20:43] <ClydeSlims> Not sure what to add.
[20:44] <Djikstra> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next example
[20:44] <Djikstra> then update & upgrd
[20:44] <Djikstra> find your nearest repositories
[20:45] <ClydeSlims> What do you mean 'nearest repositories' ?
[20:46] <Djikstra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[20:46] <HagpycaH^^> hello
[20:47] <ClydeSlims> Djikstra, yeah I've got them all enabled.
[20:47] <ClydeSlims> Hmm I guess skype isn't apart of those repo's
[20:47] <ClydeSlims> PlayOnLinux is showing up now though
[20:47] <Djikstra> nope
[20:47] <ClydeSlims> thanks
[20:47] <Djikstra> its took out
[20:47] <ClydeSlims> how come
[20:47] <Djikstra> idk
[20:47] <HagpycaH^^> someone with 17.04
[20:47] <HagpycaH^^> ?
[20:48] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, Me
[20:48] <HagpycaH^^> did you try anbox already
[20:48] <HagpycaH^^> ?
[20:48] <Bashing-om> cebor: check how far behind the release is in your mirror : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors .
[20:48] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, Just installed
[20:49] <HagpycaH^^> and does it start
[20:49] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, Yes.
[20:49] <HagpycaH^^> can you help me pls
[20:49] <HagpycaH^^> i cant launch it
[20:50] <Ben64> HagpycaH^^: best to just ask your question to the channel
[20:50] <HagpycaH^^> no one answer
[20:50] <HagpycaH^^> :D
[20:50] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, What happens when you boot?
[20:50] <Ben64> you didnt ask
[20:50] <Bashing-om> cebor: sorry - OP left and I faild to check my tab complete :(
[20:51] <HagpycaH^^> black window for about 1-2 sec and it crash
[20:51] <HagpycaH^^> i had same problem with 16.10
[20:51] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, Is fastboot disabled in BIOS?
[20:51] <HagpycaH^^> :(
[20:51] <HagpycaH^^> i dont have option like that
[20:52] <ClydeSlims> I'm looking at a guide on how to properly install something. But it includes one of these commands: "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386"
[20:52] <ClydeSlims> Should I skip this command if I'm on 64-bit?
[20:52] <HagpycaH^^> no
[20:52] <ClydeSlims> oh
[20:52] <ClydeSlims> okay
[20:52] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, How did you install? Live Media?
[20:53] <ClydeSlims> HagpycaH^^, are you talking to me?
[20:53] <HagpycaH^^> snap
[20:53] <genii> ClydeSlims: Sounds like old instructions before multiarch was standard
[20:53] <ClydeSlims> Not sure if I should use the command or not
[20:54] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, snap?
[20:54] <tungtung33> hello
[20:54] <HagpycaH^^> yes
[20:54] <HagpycaH^^> i installed anbox with snap
[20:54] <genii> ClydeSlims: What says the result of:  apt-config dump  |grep Architectures
[20:55] <tungtung33> i am new to linux, can i use ubuntu mirror with solus linux?
[20:55] <Kobaz> hey, installing 17.04, and i got through all the steps and then setup initramfs fails at the end... it says there's a log saved but I can't get to it because the only console active is f1
[20:55] <ducasse> HagpycaH^^: you know that snap is pre-alpha under heavy development not intended for end users, right?
[20:56] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, I thought it was to do with Android?
[20:57] <HagpycaH^^> i didnt get you
[20:58] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, type the first 2 or 3 characters of someone's nick and hit TAB so people know whom your talking to.
[20:58] <HagpycaH^^> my tab isnt working :D
[20:58] <HagpycaH^^> sorry
[20:58] <Bl4ckC0r3> I love the ubuntu 17.04 the best so far
[20:59] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, Dual Boot or just Ubuntu?
[20:59] <HagpycaH^^> just ubuntu
[20:59] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, New Install?
[20:59] <HagpycaH^^> i used to have 16.10
[21:00] <HagpycaH^^> now i made clean install of 17.04
[21:00] <Kobaz> i'm going to have to install 16 and then upgrade to 17.04 since the installation is broken
[21:00] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, I suggest reinstall and stay away from snap.
[21:00] <xangua> There is no 16
[21:01] <HagpycaH^^> how to install anbox then?
[21:01] <Kobaz> xamindar: yeah there is
[21:01] <Kobaz> 16.04.2
[21:01] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, I can help there. Ask others.
[21:02] <balaa> howdy, all. I've just gotten a new computer the Lenovo Yoga 720 15", I'm about 2 days into trying to get Ubuntu up and running. So far everything is great but I can't get the touchpad to be detected at all, any suggeestions?
[21:02] <HagpycaH^^> thanks
[21:02] <cerion_> Bashing-om: even if I switch to main server, I still not get an upgrade
[21:03] <ducasse> HagpycaH^^: "NOTE: Anbox is currently in a pre-alpha development state. Don't expect a fully working system for a production system with all features you need. You will for sure see bugs and crashes. If you do so, please don't hestitate and report them!"
[21:03] <balaa> xinput --list makes no mention of a trackpad, as far as I can tell its an ELANTech touchpad
[21:03] <Epx998> how do i add the megaraid drivers to the netboot initrd.gz?
[21:03] <balaa> tried everything I found on the forums and bug reports with no luck
[21:03] <HagpycaH^^> yes i know that
[21:03] <Bashing-om> cerion_: :( fully updated ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[21:03] <HagpycaH^^> but i cant even launch it
[21:03] <balaa> tried latest kernel 4.10.10
[21:04] <HagpycaH^^> when the same way other does
[21:04] <cerion_> Bashing-om: already done that
[21:04] <ducasse> HagpycaH^^: then file a bug, but to the developers - not ubuntu.
[21:04] <SimonT> hey, quick question.. I installed ubuntu server 16.04 and when it boots, it shows /dev/sda1: clean.... when I switch to TTY1, the text is yellow, but all other TTY's are normal white text... how did I change the text colour?
[21:04] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/android-apps-linux-desktop-anbox
[21:05] <HagpycaH^^> lizard_ will check
[21:06] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, But it will be the same result. Just wait for the bugs to get ironed out.
[21:06] <HagpycaH^^> lizard_ i use the same commands
[21:06] <Kobaz> how do i get a shell when the installer is running
[21:07] <HagpycaH^^> but for you is launching right
[21:07] <Kobaz> the initrd failure at the end of the 17.04 install is probably super easy to fix, but i cant't get to a shell
[21:08] <lizard_> HagpycaH^^, I have no issue booting. Not using snap. Off to work now. Good luck.
[21:08] <HagpycaH^^> ok thanks
[21:08] <Kobaz> weird
[21:09] <Bashing-om> cerion: Well, set to normal - fully updated .. on the main server. should workie ! pastebin ' sudo do-release-upgrade ' so we see what you see .
[21:10] <Epx998> how do i add the megaraid drivers to the netboot initrd.gz? anyone?
[21:10] <Kobaz> hmmm, 16 can't get dhcp on ethernet
[21:10] <Kobaz> but can connect to wireless
[21:11] <Kobaz> and 17 can't get on my wireless, but lan dhcp does work
[21:12] <gogeta> booga booga
[21:13] <Kobaz> and then on 16, it looks like you can't use root as btrfs (install button is grayed out), bit works on 17, but then on 17, initrd won't install
[21:13] <Kobaz> ugh man
[21:13] <gogeta> Kobaz, do what
[21:13] <Kobaz> i remember when linux distros were easy to install :(
[21:13] <gogeta> Kobaz, im missing something lol
[21:13] <eyJhb> Can anybody tell me where the scripts for docking and undocking is in Ubuntu? Using a x230, and Ubuntu seems to have the best docking functionality and I want to know why :)
[21:14] <Kobaz> gogeta: i can't install 17, because at the last stage, building initrd fails
[21:14] <ducasse> Kobaz: i installed both 16.04 and 16.10 with root on btrfs
[21:14] <Kobaz> and i want to use btrfs root, and 16 won't let me continue with btrfs on /
[21:14] <Kobaz> stuck in the partition editor, and 'install now' is grayed out
[21:14] <gogeta> Kobaz, i think that was removed due to issues
[21:15] <Kobaz> (on 16)
[21:15] <gogeta> Kobaz, restart live kd to unmount everything
[21:15] <Kobaz> how do you get a shell during installation?
[21:15] <gogeta> Kobaz, open a term
[21:15] <Kobaz> from where
[21:15] <gogeta> Kobaz, the menu
[21:16] <Kobaz> i'm not in the live-mode boot
[21:16] <Kobaz> ...running the installer
[21:16] <gogeta> Kobaz, or your in install mode not try
[21:16] <gogeta> Kobaz, boot into try mode
[21:16] <Kobaz> ah right, that's how you get live
[21:17] <gogeta> Kobaz, yep from there you can acess aapps
[21:17] <gogeta> Kobaz, stuff like gparted cfdisk if need be to reset your disk
[21:24] <radu> hi
[21:25] <radu> what's the difference between ubuntu base core and ubuntu base base ?
[21:26] <FireBeyond> Installing brand new Ubuntu 17.04 Gnome. Getting The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 when doing an update. I tried doing apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32, that succeeds, but apt update still fails. Any help?
[21:27] <Kobaz> gogeta: running the installer from the try ubuntu just dies
[21:27] <Bashing-om> FireBeyond: Maybe : ' sudo apt-key update ' ?
[21:28] <rpirea> FireBeyond try gentoo or arch :D
[21:28] <FireBeyond> this is from a sudo shell
[21:28] <FireBeyond> hah
[21:28] <gogeta> Kobaz, try sudo gparted and remove the offending btfs partation
[21:29] <gogeta> Kobaz, it sounds like something got broken there
[21:30] <Hackwar> hi folks, I'm trying to update, but my /boot is completely full, 100% and all things via tools that I've tried so far have failed because it always tries to generate initrd.img-4.4.0-63-generic. Is there a way to first remove the old kernels and then generate that new initrd?
[21:30] <gogeta> Hackwar,expand boot?
[21:31] <gogeta> Hackwar, remove old kernels
[21:31] <Hackwar> gogeta: I'm trying exactly to do that, but as I wrote, it fails.
[21:32] <Hackwar> My next attempt would mean that I delete single files from /boot
[21:32] <Hackwar> by hand
[21:32] <gogeta> Hackwar, what freeing up space or expanding
[21:32] <NuxRo> hi, anyone knows the preseed switch to turn off the creation of swapfile in ubuntu 17.04?
[21:32] <Nitrogen> How do I download the pure HTML files 1-4512.html to 1-4556.html from a Website?
[21:33] <Nitrogen> All 44 of them?
[21:34] <Hackwar> gogeta: freeing up space. I'm trying to delete all old kernels and all attempts to do that fail, starting with sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get purge, etc.
[21:34] <gogeta> Hackwar, that whont work
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Hackwar: Att 100% capacity may not have the operating head room, but - try " sudo apt autoremove ' .
[21:35] <gogeta> Hackwar, open your package installer and type in kernel
[21:35] <Hackwar> Bashing-om: doesn't work
[21:35] <gogeta> autoremove whont get rid of old kernels
[21:35] <Hackwar> gogeta: I'm on a headless server
[21:36] <gogeta> Hackwar, ok one senond
[21:36] <gogeta> Hackwar, $ dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[21:37] <gogeta> Hackwar, should list all installed
[21:38] <cmb_> Hackwar, when I've run into this I had to manually remove one or two old kernels - pick one of the big files like initrd or vmlinuz, delete it, and then try the autoremove. And then in the future either make /boot bigger or run autoremove regularly!!
[21:38] <Hackwar> I've now gone ahead and simply moved a few old initrd files from /boot to somewhere else to then remove another kernel correctly, then moving that stuff back
[21:39] <Hackwar> cmb_: will do that
[21:39] <gogeta> cmb_, i gave a command to list them to remove them proper
[21:39] <Hackwar> or rather: I'm doing that right now
[21:39] <Hackwar> gogeta: I tried that already and it doesn't work
[21:39] <cmb_> Hackwar, and pick an old kernel that  you don't ever boot as the one to get rid of...
[21:39] <gogeta> Hackwar, thats just a listing
[21:39] <Hackwar> gogeta: I know
[21:40] <gogeta> Hackwar, from there use apt-get remove all but the latest ones
[21:40] <Hackwar> I listed all those kernels and then used apt and dpkg to remove the old ones
[21:40] <gogeta> one
[21:40] <gogeta> should be freed up
[21:40] <Kali_Yuga> hello I'm looking for "Loudness Equalization" in ubuntu.
[21:40] <Hackwar> but none of those worked, since they all failed when trying to generate the new initrd image when removing the old kernel.
[21:41] <gogeta> Hackwar, wow it must be relly full
[21:41] <Hackwar> as I said: 100%, up to the last megabyte
[21:41] <cmb_> Hackwar, can you show us 'ls -l /boot' and 'df -h /boot'
[21:42] <Hackwar> there are 5 kernels in there right now.
[21:42] <Bashing-om> Hackwar: I have had success in that situation with 'dpkg' to purge old images and headers .
[21:42] <Kali_Yuga> looking for an alternative to this https://www.howtogeek.com/115656/3-ways-to-normalize-sound-volume-on-your-pc/
[21:42] <Hackwar> to be honest, I don't know why that partition is so small. I used the defaults of ubuntu server when installing this...
[21:43] <gogeta> Hackwar, well hand delete them to free some space make you you keep at least one matching set
[21:44] <gogeta> Hackwar,https://askubuntu.com/questions/171209/my-boot-partition-hit-100-and-now-i-cant-upgrade-cant-remove-old-kernels-to
[21:44] <Bashing-om> Hackwar: Boot created too small: see : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093
[21:47] <melani> como puedo bloquear una pagina web?
[21:47] <gogeta> it was more of a problem with ubuntu not cleaning out boot i think they fixed it in later version
[21:48] <Kobaz> okay so
[21:48] <Kobaz> i ran through the 17 installer, and as per usual, initrd failed to build
[21:48] <gogeta> due to boot being full
[21:48] <Kobaz> so i'm trying to set up grub manually, and grub-probe can't find the device for /
[21:48] <gogeta> you need to clean boot
[21:49] <gogeta> oh
[21:49] <gogeta> you probly broke it at this point then
[21:49] <Kobaz> it's not broken
[21:49] <Kobaz> just need to get probe working and then i can copy a kernel over that doesn't need initrd
[21:50] <gogeta> probly need to go into a live cd chroot in and install a kernel
[21:50] <Hackwar> I got it working by moving some files out of /boot, removing an old kernel and then moving the files back, uninstalling them too
[21:50] <Hackwar> now I guess I have enough space to let the auto-tools do their job.
[21:50] <gogeta> Hackwar, so its running you failing
[21:50] <gogeta> or
[21:51] <gogeta> Hackwar, yes install a kernel and update grub
[21:51] <gogeta> should work
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Hackwar: And when done ' sudo apt -f install ' . see that the return is clean .
[21:58] <Hackwar> gogeta: still running
[21:58] <Hackwar> will take some more time I guess to do all the updates and all.
[21:59] <chris0000_> is the parbaola mate installer broken?
[21:59] <eyJhb> Can anybody tell me where the scripts for docking and undocking is in Ubuntu? Using a x230, and Ubuntu seems to have the best docking functionality and I want to know why :)
[21:59] <gogeta> Hackwar, apt-get -f install should finish where it broke
[21:59] <Hackwar> yes, still running
[22:00] <gogeta> Hackwar, try not letting kernel and headers build up in boot later lol
[22:02] <Epx998> anyone familiar with the netboot initrd.gz and adding driver modules for the installer?
[22:04] <Nitrogen> how do I replace a certain character sequence in all html files of a folder?
[22:09] <Epx998> wish there was better docs on updating the netboot initrd.gz
[22:14] <Nitrogen> How do I remove the <script></script> tag and everything inbetween from multiple HTML files?
[22:21] <_KaszpiR_> what
[22:21] <_KaszpiR_> you move your eyes and suddenly 501375437598437193475 lines of chat
[22:21] <jnskdjfgkjasd> ubuntu 16.04, fresh install, any way to get the menu out of the title bar of a window, and down a level? like an actual menu bar?
[22:23] <_KaszpiR_> jnskdjfgkjasd default ubuntu (unit) or xubuntu?
[22:23] <jnskdjfgkjasd> also, any way to switch which side of the window min/max/hide are on?
[22:23] <jnskdjfgkjasd> _KaszpiR_, default
[22:23] <_KaszpiR_> well, let me enligthen you that I just HATE unity ;)
[22:24] <jnskdjfgkjasd> I'm hating it too, I think on 14.04 I was running something older, I just forgot the name of it :(
[22:25] <_KaszpiR_> if you're not comfortable with unity, try other window managers, like xfce4 or gnome (guess what, ubuntu officialy is switching from unity to gnome with ubuntu 18()
[22:25] <jnskdjfgkjasd> gnome-session-fallback sounds like it might be it, but not finding that in 16.04
[22:26] <_KaszpiR_> I'm biased, because I use xfce4 but with so high modifications (numix and shit) that I'm nufortunately not capable to help other people.
[22:27] <_KaszpiR_> ohwait, this is not quakenet :D
[22:29] <Cust0sLimen> hi
[22:29] <Cust0sLimen> how come if I do do-release-upgrade I don't get anything (16.10)
[22:30] <Cust0sLimen> no ?
[22:30] <_KaszpiR_> and what you were expecting?
[22:30] <Cust0sLimen> it to upgrade
[22:30] <_KaszpiR_> upgrade to anything higher to 17.x requires extra steps
[22:31] <Cust0sLimen> _KaszpiR_, I expect it to upgrade to 17.04
[22:31] <_KaszpiR_> try sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:31] <Cust0sLimen> _KaszpiR_, I did
[22:32] <dax> Cust0sLimen: 17.04 isn't released to the normal do-release-upgrade process yet, it usually takes a few days
[22:32] <Cust0sLimen> dax, ah ok - thanks
[22:32] <_KaszpiR_> Cust0sLimen welcome to internet caching ?
[22:32] <dax> If you really want to, sudo do-release-upgrade -d will work for now, but I'd recommend just waiting
[22:32] <dax> (there is no development release right now, -d will put you on zesty)
[22:33] <YoItsJimby> is it shite ?
[22:33] <YoItsJimby> 16.10 sucked for me
[22:33] <Cust0sLimen> YoItsJimby, what is wrong with 16.10 ?
[22:34] <YoItsJimby> nautilus sucks for one
[22:34] <_KaszpiR_> only?
[22:34] <_KaszpiR_> ;)
[22:34] <Cust0sLimen> YoItsJimby, ok to be fair I'm on xubuntu
[22:34] <Cust0sLimen> YoItsJimby, using caja
[22:34] <Cust0sLimen> nautlius started sucking some time ago IMO
[22:35] <_KaszpiR_> yeah like over 1 year ago
[22:36] <Cust0sLimen> YoItsJimby, but yeah - I would give caja a try - should work fine with whatever DE you are using
[22:42] <fmeinthemouth> 16.04. BRAND new install: https://pastebin.com/KsEyMU5t any ideas here?
[22:45] <fmeinthemouth> so incredbily aggrivating
[22:48] <tomreyn> fmeinthemouth: did you apt-get update?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> fmeinthemouth: Begs the question . pastebin ' apt policy compiz-plugins  '. Maybe we see what the story is .
[22:51] <fmeinthemouth> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/tCak7U52
[22:52] <fmeinthemouth> tomreyn, if only it where so simple.
[22:54] <Bashing-om> fmeinthemouth: Well it is a mystery .. as it should be " Candidate: 1:0.9.12.2+16.04.20160823-0ubuntu1 ' ,
[22:54] <tomreyn> i'm pretty sure something must be non-standard on your end which causes this issue. I doubt you'd find such issues in an LTS release. but without more info (like what bashing-0m asked for) it'll be difficult to analyze.
[23:00] <fmeinthemouth> tomreyn, brand new 16.04 install, all I've installed is xchat and chromium
[23:01] <fmeinthemouth> I've got main, universe, restricted, and multiverse enabled
[23:01] <fmeinthemouth> I'm open to suggestions, I guess it sounds like "re-install and hope it goes better next time"
[23:02] <Cust0sLimen> fmeinthemouth, I would not
[23:02] <Bashing-om> fmeinthemouth: Something non-standard ^^ . What shows ' dpkg -l | grep compiz-core compiz-plugins-default ' ? "apt depends compiz-plugins" gets me real worried .
[23:03] <fmeinthemouth> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/ktkekidC
[23:07] <kode54> two strings on a single grep command? that looks wrong
[23:07] <kode54> maybe egrep or fgrep?
[23:08] <Cust0sLimen> fmeinthemouth,  dpkg -l | grep -e compiz-core -e compiz-plugins-default
[23:08] <Bashing-om> fmeinthemouth: Yuk ! " Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.9.12.2+16.04.20160415-0ubuntu1)" just do not know where this could originate . what happens with ' sudo apt install compiz-core ' ?
[23:09] <fmeinthemouth> Cust0sLimen, https://pastebin.com/NeYD4R33
[23:09] <fmeinthemouth> Bashing-om, already newest version
[23:10] <Cukier> hi, guys need fast help. Im on live ubuntu, and i need to install windows10 without usb stick somehow xD
[23:10] <fmeinthemouth> 16.04.2 LTS (Xenial Xerus)
[23:10] <fmeinthemouth> swear I'm using stock 16.04 lts, nothing funky, brand new install
[23:11] <Mathisen> Cukier, http://www.geekomad.com/2013/08/how-to-make-android-phone-as-bootable.html
[23:11] <Cukier> Mathisen: :*
[23:12] <Cukier> Mathisen: the problem is that rufus in windows program ;p and im on ubuntu ;p
[23:12] <Cukier> i wanted to somehow npack win10 iso and copy it's files to new partition
[23:12] <Cukier> then change flag to boot or something
[23:12] <Mathisen> instead of rufus in that guide just use gparted
[23:13] <Mathisen> make a fa32 partition and flag it for boot and copy win.iso content over
[23:13] <Cukier> this would fix the problem, but i can;t unpack .iso file...
[23:13] <Mathisen> Cukier, i dont think you can just make a partition and install from that
[23:13] <Mathisen> but i may be wrong
[23:14] <Mathisen> Cukier, you can mount it
[23:14] <Cukier> after mount there is readme files with some error ;p
[23:14] <kode54> mount it udf instead of iso9660
[23:14] <Cukier> aaa
[23:14] <Mathisen> sudo mount -o loop win.iso /wherever/you/want
[23:16] <Cukier> ok trying to do it
[23:22] <Bashing-om> fmeinthemouth: I am as stumped here as you . Not making much sense to me .
[23:26] <TheOneMenzie> fmeinthemouth: you already checked the installation candidate for compiz-core?
[23:27] <Mathisen> fmeinthemouth, did you try to use a diffrent mirror ?
[23:27] <TheOneMenzie> fmeinthemouth: Randomly, your nick is inappropriate for this channel...
[23:33] <presiden> hello, what's the bot that log ubuntu related channel?
[23:33] <Optimus_Prime> is there a help channel for ubuntu? or is that in here too?
[23:35] <presiden> it says ubuntulog in here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat), but from WHOIS, there's no such nick/channel
[23:36] <Bashing-om> Optimus_Prime: ? This is the ubuntu help channel .
[23:36] <Optimus_Prime> k i'ma pastebin soemthing, I can't figure it out, just installed ubuntu on laptop for the first time and I'm trying to get it sorted lol
[23:37] <Bashing-om> Optimus_Prime: K . We see what we can do .
[23:38] <Guest65730> ummm dis
[23:38] <Guest65730> https://pastebin.com/ma3TN7Cd
[23:40] <Bashing-om> !info runescape-launcher xenial
[23:41] <Bashing-om> Guest65730: ^ We looking at a PPA ? what show ' apt policy runescape-launcher ' ?
[23:42] <Guest65730> mmmm
[23:42] <Guest65730> it says it's installed
[23:42] <Guest65730> one sec
[23:43] <Guest65730> runescape-launcher:
[23:43] <Guest65730>   Installed: (none)
[23:43] <Guest65730>   Candidate: 2.2.4
[23:43] <Guest65730>   Version table:
[23:43] <Guest65730>      2.2.4 500
[23:43] <Guest65730>         500 https://content.runescape.com/downloads/ubuntu trusty/non-free amd64 Packages
[23:48] <tachikomas> Hello there, I encounter a little problem on boot with my ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I Have the message " a start job is running" about a hard drive...
[23:49] <tachikomas> but i dont use this hard drive
[23:49] <tachikomas> when i use systemd analyser i see :                         └─sysinit.target @1min 30.342s
[23:49] <tachikomas> but i dont know how to figure out.
[23:50] <Bashing-1m> Guest65730: Sorry, my system froze and reboot . Where are we now ?
[23:50] <nacc> Bashing-1m: they are using a package from some random repository, not ubuntu
[23:50] <Guest65730> I am thinking that I need to install aptitude to get the amd something or other
[23:50] <nacc> Bashing-1m: https://content.runescape.com/downloads/ubuntu
[23:50] <selsperr> page 404
[23:51] <pavlos> tachikomas: systemd-analyze blame
[23:51] <Bashing-1m> nacc: K .. not our problem then as suspected .
[23:52] <tachikomas> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24377196/
[23:52] <selsperr> I copied what it said from here: https://www.runescape.com/download
[23:54] <pavlos> tachikomas: look in dmesg and /var/log/syslog if you can find that error about a hard drive
[23:54] <nacc> Bashing-om: agreed
[23:54] <nacc> selsperr: are you on 16.04 or 14.04?
[23:55] <selsperr> how do i check that
[23:55] <tachikomas> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24377206/
[23:55] <tachikomas> i see a lot of error about cryptography
[23:55] <nacc> selsperr: `lsb_release -d`
[23:55] <tachikomas> but i dont use cryptoswap/cryptolvm .. or lvm
[23:56] <selsperr> 16.04
[23:56] <pavlos> tachikomas: lsblk
[23:57] <nacc> selsperr: a) they only provide packages for 14.04 and b) looks like their repo is 404
[23:57] <nacc> selsperr: and/or they don't let you browse it
[23:57] <pavlos> tachikomas: lsblk -f
[23:58] <tachikomas> pavlos: snaps and 2 sda sda
[23:58] <tachikomas> ├─sda2 swap           8d4f3160-d66f-475c-bae9-13f526cbad4a [SWAP]
[23:58] <tachikomas> └─sda1 ext4           d964844d-c70a-4070-8aa1-df73e318fe4d /
[23:58] <tachikomas> even uuid are differents.
[23:59] <selsperr> I don't see how that's relevant
[23:59] <nacc> selsperr: what?
[23:59] <selsperr> repo, u mean runescape?
[23:59] <nacc> selsperr: you don't see how it's relevant that they package for a version you are not running?
[23:59] <selsperr> aha