[08:24] <fishcooker> happy holiday
 Landing page and Downloads updated
 Also banner :)
 MORNING!
 (Photo, 240x230) http://i.imgur.com/w5Yg7sr.jpg
 Don't use this. It's a an indexed JPEG. I'm trying to upload this Zapus to the wiki, but it's being slow AF, as always
 done
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny
[11:14] <redwolf> o/
 SIMON!
 Wake up!
 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2
 Good lord man! You're turning into Simon!
 O.O
 I'm doing things!
 I'm hyper!!
 HELLO!!
 Next thing you know you're going to start posting unflattering selfies
 give me time...
 :|
 …
 I need a rat lab
 YOU
 go to here: https://rafaellaguna.uk/buttons.html
 Mmk
 explain is no needed, right?
 Right
 I found some WebKit / Safari / Epiphany issues. I fixed the buttons. also, the link is now THE BUTTON itself
 not the text
 like it?
 YES
 O.O
 CHANGE EVERYTHING NOW
 aye, captain!
 btw, what are doing awake? you owl?!
 I should have gotten up 2 hours ago but I slept in
 with chaotic hair style and swollen eyes?
 THAT'S SEXY!
 Um lesse
 (Photo, 720x1280) http://i.imgur.com/levAr2H.jpg
 Yep
 THERE! :D
 there's a chihuahua beneath you .__.
 Yep
 with an expression like "why me?" XD
 She is playing cute because she wants me to feed her
 LOL
 oh, resize the browser window. the buttons adapt and move grouped, as expected. all pure CSS. no more shit inside.
 and I'll clean the site's code
 Nice
 so... I'm a CSS genius, have a beard... why the hell am I still single?!
 .___.
 Um because you're too busy designing?
 ah, maybe...
 *eats more twix*
 o.o
 Are we having the meeting today?
 I think so, yes
 He didn't announce the time so I didn't know
 ._____.
 right
 get ready for the usual time
 in 4 hours
 Kk
 @wxl23, Yes I did
 Search your email inbox
[17:09] <wxl> you did what?
 I announced the time...
[17:09] <wxl> oh. i see it now. nevermind.
[17:09] <wxl> well @VikingRedwolf didn't see it either, so there. :)
 Okay
[17:19] <wxl> k
 k
 Soooooo 9pm UTC?
[17:32] <lyn||ian> vikingredwolf there is always date -u to tell you the time in UTC
 But 9 UTC?!
[17:33] <lyn||ian> that is the time of the meeting yes
 Yayyy!
 Wait what?
 It's in an hour and a half... Did I convert my time wrong?
[17:34] <lyn||ian> yes and 2 pm for you tsimonq2
 I'll be naked, btw .___.
 @VikingRedwolf, I'd like to see you try .__.
[17:35] <wxl> i was naked in that picture i sent earlier .____________.
 LOL
 O.O!
 (Photo, 960x1280) http://i.imgur.com/QYlGqQn.jpg
 So was the chihuahua
[17:37]  * acheronUK chokes
 @lubuntu_bot, At my selfie? :P
 @tsimonq2, Reason #543689532 not to be gay ._____.
[17:42] <wxl> .______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________.
 Lolll
[17:52] <redwolf> btw, wxl, bad news. wp doesn't let me define a div as an entire <a href> entity
[17:52] <wxl> you want to wrap an a in a div?
[17:53] <redwolf> I need to. or I could define an area to the link
 Wrap it in span then .__.
[17:53] <redwolf> yup
[17:53] <wxl> dumb
[17:53] <wxl> shall i show you where the bug reporting mechanism for wordpress is? XD
[17:53] <redwolf> AND I discovered, when you add the <a> thingy, change from text to wysiwyg, it disappears!
 Where's that hellhole? XD
[17:54] <redwolf> it's a fuck-fuck-hole
[17:54] <redwolf> wait...
[17:54] <redwolf> forget that
[17:54] <wxl> !language | redwolf
[17:54] <redwolf> we're in a public channel
[17:54] <wxl> https://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/testing/reporting-bugs/
[17:55] <redwolf> we should move to Grav
[17:55] <redwolf> or plain html!
[17:55] <redwolf> no blog. fuck it
[17:55] <wxl> well
[17:55] <redwolf> sorry
[17:55] <wxl> jesus dude
 Yes, let's write everything from scratch!. __.
 And use Disqus!
[17:55] <wxl> honestly the issue becomes server space
[17:55] <redwolf> I re-did the buttons from scratch!
[17:55] <wxl> we're currently on a borrowed space
[17:55] <wxl> it's not permanent
[17:56] <redwolf> you used a strange blog with plain text files, didn't you, wxl?
[17:56] <wxl> when we get canonical hosting we'll have something permanent
[17:56] <wxl> but they only support certain installations
[17:56] <wxl> so you've got, afaik, two choices:
[17:56] <redwolf> yer, permanent, like my single status .___.
[17:56] <wxl>  1. wordpress
[17:56] <wxl>  2. django
 @wxl, CAPITAL C .____.
[17:57]  * redwolf googles django
[17:57] <wxl> no thank you, tsimonq2
[17:57] <wxl> it's python
[17:57] <wxl> uses templating
[17:57] <redwolf> eewww
[17:57] <wxl> it's not terrible
[17:57] <redwolf> my Yorkie friend loves python
 I have a hacky Python script
[17:58] <redwolf> what does it do, lubot?
 It generates the code for my site
[17:58] <wxl> that's what blogofobe is
[17:58] <wxl> which generates mine
 Bah
[17:58] <wxl> but again, canonical's not going to let us set up stuff like that
[17:58] <wxl> so
[17:58] <wxl> if we don't want to do that
[17:58] <redwolf> nope. nor grav.
[17:58] <wxl> where's the server space at?
[17:58] <redwolf> what techs we might use?
[17:59] <wxl> i really like the idea that the community essentially owns the site
 They make us use Bazaar. EEEWWWWWWWWW
[17:59] <wxl> and i like the idea that we don't have to do sysadmin
[17:59] <wxl> you'll come to learn in life that not all compromises are unreasonable, tsimonq2
[17:59] <redwolf> I like bazaar :(
 @redwolf, Go away .__.
[18:00] <redwolf> .__.
[18:00] <wxl> tsimonq2: get a job
[18:00] <redwolf> you can't get rid of me. ha! I'm the official Lenny creator! :D
[18:00] <redwolf> ah, tsimonq2, you have the bloody Lennyzapus
 @redwolf, WHERE'S OUR LENNY ZAPUS?!?
 Where?
 @wxl, Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 I do have one, wxl...
[18:01] <redwolf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny
[18:01] <wxl> yeah seriously
[18:01] <wxl> check your backlog, BRO
[18:01] <wxl> *I* saw it
[18:01] <wxl> also get a *REAL* job
 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[18:02] <redwolf> now... LENNYQUEEN!!
[18:02] <wxl> YESSSSSSSSSSSS
 @wxl, Bah, beggars can't be choosers...
[18:02] <wxl> LENNY LEATHER BEAR!!!!!!
 OMG YES
 @wxl, Yes 😏
[18:02] <redwolf> yes, wxl, to illustrate the LGBT group, a Lennybear
[18:02] <wxl> please!
[18:03] <redwolf> *cough* ...fag... *cough* ...ggots... *cough*
 Make a Lenny Simon. Edit my double chin face onto a Lenny 😂
[18:03] <redwolf> eeww
 (Photo, 960x1280) http://i.imgur.com/onhDkCS.jpg
[18:03]  * redwolf slaps lubot 
 Yessss do it
[18:04] <redwolf> O.O
[18:04] <redwolf> at least, this IRC team is funnier than Ubuntu Mate's XDDD
[18:04] <wxl> you should make a lenny me too
[18:04] <redwolf> ._____.
[18:04] <wxl> i have a south park somewhere
 XD
[18:05] <redwolf> you already have a Lennyclist
[18:05] <wxl> true
[18:05] <redwolf> and I already have a Lennywolf ^^
[18:07] <redwolf> now something like this... http://findwig.com/image/data/Articles/Drag_Queen__1.png
[18:07] <redwolf> XDDD
[18:07] <wxl> ugh
 LOLLLL
[18:08] <wxl> you can guess which one is me https://share.riseup.net/#bhpqfQUintRq5fkKF80HkA
[18:08] <redwolf> okies, 50 min to start. is Julien going to appear?
 @julienlavergne Ping :D
[18:09] <wxl> you should take one of simon's double chin faces and just put a little lenny body on it
[18:09] <redwolf> XD
[18:09] <wxl> heck i could probably do that myself XD
[18:16] <redwolf> I think I found a solution: the padding
[18:16] <redwolf> https://rafaellagua.uk/buttons.html
[18:25] <wxl> so who's setting up our mastadon account?
[18:25] <redwolf> mastadon? what's dat?
[18:25] <wxl> decentralized twitter-ish thing
 Looks like Tweetdeck
[18:26] <redwolf> ah
[18:26] <redwolf> please, wxl, check out the home page now ;)
[18:28] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#V8rNQUjEMNpCCgcHPVnouQ
[18:29] <redwolf> O.O!
[18:29] <wxl> re: mastodon, here's me https://soc.ialis.me/@wxl
[18:29] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Ugly font .____.
[18:29] <wxl> didn't even notice that but +1 tsimonq2 :)
[18:30] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Yeah I have this https://share.riseup.net/#x8eXVmo2TcsSjUir9th4RA
[18:30] <tsimonq2> EEW, that's GNOME's font!
[18:30] <tsimonq2> .__.
[18:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: if you have imagemagick, import png:- | apaste is easier
[18:31] <redwolf> try now. fixed the "em" value and removed extra spaces
[18:31] <redwolf> I see fine with every browser
[18:31] <lyn||ian> apaste?
[18:32] <wxl> all good now
[18:32] <redwolf> changed to Ubuntu font now
[18:32] <wxl> lyn||ian: https://gitlab.com/riseup/up1-cli-client-nodejs#README
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Needs grammar fix:
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is fast, easy-to-use, friendly and energy saving, built with Open Source software with a great supporting community behind
[18:33] <wxl> we need a lyn||lenny :)
[18:33] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Plus
[18:33] <tsimonq2> redwolf: USE THE OXFORD COMMA!
[18:33] <redwolf> huh?
[18:33] <wxl> ugh
[18:33] <redwolf> what's an Oxford comma?
[18:34] <tsimonq2> redwolf: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/what-is-the-oxford-comma\
[18:34] <tsimonq2> Ugh
[18:34] <tsimonq2> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/what-is-the-oxford-comma
[18:35] <redwolf> I use a comma!
[18:36] <wxl> he's saying you should have one between friendly/and
[18:36] <wxl> it's not a requirement, but he thinks it is because he's ocd about trifle b.s. that no one else cares about
[18:36] <wxl> needless to say, you can expect to hear a tirade of diatribes concerning the subject if you don't comply with his requirements
[18:37] <wxl> which is to say that he is truly a grammar nazi, in the sense that he's a violent dictator about enforcing his rules
[18:37] <wxl> also he can't grow a mustache to save his life
[18:37] <redwolf> indeed!
[18:38] <lyn||ian> too bad you cannot donate facial hair :(
[18:38] <wxl> i've never tried
[18:38] <tsimonq2> Yes I can :P
[18:40] <wxl> nice comeback, dude.
[18:40] <tsimonq2> ikr
[18:40] <redwolf> I have plenty facial hair. actually, I have plenty everywhere-hair
[18:41] <wxl> poo poo hair?
[18:41] <lyn||ian> foot hair
[18:42] <redwolf> tsimonq2, show the "selfie" I sent!
[18:42] <redwolf> XD
 ...
 (Photo, 500x300) http://i.imgur.com/xI5auli.jpg
[18:43] <tsimonq2> NSFW
[18:43] <wxl> nsfw should not be here.
[18:43] <lyn||ian> http://104.131.157.136/newself/IMG_1724.JPG
[18:43] <wxl> OH
[18:43] <wxl> MY
[18:43] <wxl> GOD
[18:43] <wxl> you're tall lyn||ian :)
[18:43] <lyn||ian> yes I am
[18:44] <redwolf> there. thank you, tsimonq2 XD
[18:46] <sudodus> o/
[18:46] <lyn||ian> hello sudodus
[18:47] <tsimonq2> o/ sudodus
[18:47] <wxl> hey!
[18:48] <gilir> hi :-)
[18:48] <wxl> gilir!
[18:48] <wxl> and on irc no less :O
[18:49] <sudodus> hi gilir :-)
[18:49] <gilir> easier with a keyboard :-)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> sudodus: Have you considered getting Telegram? We have a bridge now :)
[18:49] <wxl> btw, tsimonq2, you started this meeting so you get to drive meetingology :)
[18:49] <wxl> gilir: true. there's always bluetooth ones :)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> And Telegram desktop clients :D
[18:49] <wxl> that too
[18:49] <sudodus> No, I have not.
[18:49] <tsimonq2> But give me a couple mins and I'll be ready.
[18:50] <tsimonq2> sudodus: Why not? :D
[18:51] <sudodus> What is the advantage compared to this one?
[18:52] <tsimonq2> sudodus: Idling without requiring an IRC client to be online at all times
[18:52] <tsimonq2> Plus, images, voice, videos
[18:53]  * acheronUK would be cautious of the images
[18:53] <sudodus> I see.
[18:54] <tsimonq2> acheronUK: lol
[18:54] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Lubuntu Meeting - April 2017
[18:54] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Apr 14 18:54:44 2017 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[18:54] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[18:54] <tsimonq2> #chair tsimonq2 wxl
[18:54] <meetingology> Current chairs: tsimonq2 wxl
[18:54] <tsimonq2> Hello everyone!
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the first Lubuntu meeting we've had in a while. :)
[18:55] <sudodus> Hello chairmen!
[18:55] <tsimonq2> #topic Attendance
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Please wave if you're here to show attendance
[18:55] <wxl> oh
[18:55] <wxl> um agenda
[18:55] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[18:56] <wxl> o/
[18:56] <tsimonq2> o/
[18:56] <sudodus> o/
[18:56] <lyn||ian> o/
[18:56] <tsimonq2> redwolf, gilir: Here? :)
[18:57] <tsimonq2> I'm assuming they're around given that they've been recently active here.
[18:57] <tsimonq2> Moving on...
[18:57] <gilir> o/
[18:57] <tsimonq2> :)
[18:57] <tsimonq2> #topic lubuntu.me
[18:57] <tsimonq2> I'm going to give this one to wxl and redwolf
[18:58] <tsimonq2> What's new with lubuntu.me?
[18:58] <tsimonq2> Are we still going with Canonical's hosting? Where is it hosted now?
[18:58] <lyn||ian> it is linked to by the slideshow in the installer now
[18:58] <wxl> the plan is to go with their hosting
[18:58] <wxl> they have the domain, but we haven't got sysadmins to move the system over. i'll be honest, i haven't touched this in a while. i'll get on it and hopefully have a timeline next meeting
[18:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: Have we hard back from certain people regarding .me vs. .net?
[18:59] <tsimonq2> *heard
[18:59] <wxl> no
[18:59] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[18:59] <wxl> i have tried to check in a couple times
[18:59] <wxl> including a time when .net was done
[18:59] <wxl> s/one/own/
[18:59] <wxl> no response.. :/
[19:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: Would you be willing to give them one last poke and maybe talk to one of those certain people over IRC?
[19:00] <wxl> yes, i'll check in with the cc :)
[19:01] <wxl> meanwhile redwolf has been constantly picking away at dressing things up
[19:01] <tsimonq2> #action wxl to check in with the CC regarding lubuntu.net versus lubuntu.me
[19:01] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to check in with the CC regarding lubuntu.net versus lubuntu.me
[19:01] <wxl> you'll see new download buttons on the homepage
[19:01] <wxl> they actually work, not just the text
[19:01] <wxl> #action wxl to get Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me
[19:01] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to get Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: So where is it hosted now, then?
[19:02] <wxl> marcoceppi has graciously given us hosting on a machine he has access to
[19:02] <wxl> which is where it has been
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[19:02] <sudodus> There are problems go download from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/lubuntu-17.04-alternate-amd64.iso and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/lubuntu-17.04-alternate-i386.iso
[19:03] <sudodus> s/go/to
[19:03] <redwolf> I'm here :)
[19:03] <gilir> do we know how other flavors deals with their website hosting ?
[19:03] <gilir> just curious :-)
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Interesting question gilir :)
[19:03] <wxl> what problems, sudodus ?
[19:03] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: Would you be able to shed some light on how you do this? ^
[19:03] <marcoceppi> \o
[19:04] <wxl> gilir: they either have canonical do it or host themselves. my concern with the latter is over the last time hosting was in the hands of one member
[19:04] <tsimonq2> Hey marcoceppi :)
[19:04] <sudodus> website error I think
[19:04] <wxl> hi marcoceppi didn't mean to ping you :)
[19:04] <marcoceppi> no worries cheers o/
[19:04] <tsimonq2> marcoceppi: You wear various relevant hats if you want to chime in at all? :)
[19:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah, I'd rather have it in a neutral location.
[19:05] <gilir> wxl, ok, so hosting by canonical is not special for us
[19:05] <wxl> i see the problem, sudodus. thanks for pointing that out. i'll check with release on that
[19:05] <tsimonq2> gilir: No, I don't think it is.
[19:05] <wxl> gilir: correct, although some folks get sick of their slowness :)
[19:05] <tsimonq2> And while we're talking about the website, redwolf has made this awesome little page right here that I want to point out: http://lubuntu.me/about/
[19:05] <redwolf> O.O
[19:06] <tsimonq2> If you feel you're on the Lubuntu team and want on that page, let us know :)
[19:06] <gilir> well, perfect solution is to have hosted by us, but I don't think we have the time / ressources to do it properly :-/
[19:06] <lyn||ian> oops shows old website on that image
[19:06] <wxl> gilir: yes, especially sysadmin time
[19:06] <redwolf> and changing buttons (in progress): http://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Absolutely gilir
[19:06] <wxl> omg, lyn||ian that is so ironic
[19:06] <lyn||ian> if you look at the url
[19:06] <gilir> did I say I love this website ? :-)
[19:07] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Fix it? :D
[19:07] <redwolf> awww, stop it you, gilir ^^
[19:07] <wxl> does gilir's image load for you guys?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> gilir: I know, it's a great website :D
[19:07] <redwolf> gilir has no avatar
[19:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Which?
[19:07] <tsimonq2> oic wxl
[19:07] <gilir> yes, the image is fine ;-)
[19:08] <redwolf> gilir, do you like the new buttons? pure CSS. simpler. more effective
[19:08] <tsimonq2> So do we have anything else to discuss about the website besides redwolf being a top notch web designer? :D
[19:08] <redwolf> our site was looking weird on Gnome's browser and other webkit ones (like Safari)
[19:08] <wxl> oh there was nothing for me because privacy badger was blocking launchpad. nevermind. blank works :)
[19:08] <gilir> redwolf, buttons on the top ? yes :-)
[19:08] <gilir> redwolf, except that it's double underlined
[19:08] <redwolf> yup, blue ones. I'm removing beveled ones
[19:08] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:09] <redwolf> the menu. yes, I have to fix that
[19:09] <gilir> great :-)
[19:09] <lyn||ian> didn't still shows lubuntu-software-center as well on website but in 17.04 isn't that not seeded
[19:09] <tsimonq2> #action redwolf to review and fix screenshots
[19:09] <meetingology> ACTION: redwolf to review and fix screenshots
[19:09] <wxl> since we don't have a section for it, maybe we should talk about other graphic design stuff?
[19:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: We do have a section
[19:10] <redwolf> noted that: update screenshots
[19:10] <wxl> nevermind :)
[19:10] <tsimonq2> But I think I'd like to move on if that's OK ;)
[19:10] <tsimonq2> Oh shoot, I forgot an item.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> #topic Team role shift
[19:11] <tsimonq2> We've had some time since the last meeting, and since then, wxl has passed the torch to me for being Release Manager.
[19:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: Would you like to give us more details on this?
[19:12] <wxl> well, tsimonq2 has been apprenticing under me for quite a while
[19:12] <wxl> i let him take over much of the controls and he did a darn good job
[19:12] <wxl> he really wanted the role, too :)
[19:12] <redwolf> we're all agreed, I think
[19:12] <wxl> i tried to make him bug manager but he wasn't having it :)
[19:12] <wxl> so that's what i'm going to try to do
[19:12] <tsimonq2> ^ XD
[19:13] <wxl> although my personal life has really increased the gap between what i want to do and what i have done :(
[19:13] <sudodus> OK
[19:13] <lyn||ian> wxl mine too somewhat
[19:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: So what are you doing now then for Lubuntu? Give us details on your new positions?
[19:13] <gilir> yeah, good job tsimonq2 :-)
[19:13]  * wxl hugs lyn||ian 
[19:13] <tsimonq2> Thanks gilir :)
[19:13] <wxl> my ultimate goal is to stay on top of bugs
[19:13]  * tsimonq2 also hugs lyn||ian 
[19:13] <gilir> wxl, real life sucks :-p
[19:14] <wxl> yeah..
[19:14] <redwolf> what's real life? XD
[19:14] <wxl> i'd like to create a bug team
[19:14] <wxl> i'm not sure how to do that yet :)
[19:14] <wxl> meanwhile, i'm going to try shuffling through our bugs
[19:14] <wxl> weeding out the dupes and the invalids
[19:14] <wxl> confirming the ones that are for real
[19:14] <wxl> etc.
[19:15] <gilir> wxl, first, you need people to make a team :-)
[19:15] <wxl> EXACTLY
[19:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: AbiWord is 10 hours in and of itself
[19:15] <wxl> so for now we have a team of 1 :)
[19:15] <lyn||ian> I will likely join
[19:15] <tsimonq2> SO MANY BUGS
[19:15] <gilir> 1 is not a team :-)
[19:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'm going to start with LXDE stuff first, thank you very much :)
[19:15] <sudodus> I have to spend more time with real life, so I must step down (have already started, as you might have noticed).
[19:15] <tsimonq2> Me too, if I have the time (which I have less of)
[19:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: XD
[19:15] <tsimonq2> sudodus: I saw that.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Speaking of that, does anyone have anything else to add on this topic before we move on? Any opinions?
[19:16] <wxl> just one other thing from me
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Sure :)
[19:16] <wxl> i've also been working with kubuntu in the recent past on packaging
[19:17] <wxl> when i get caught up on bugs, i hope to help somewhat with some of the trivial packaging needs
[19:17] <wxl> that way gilir can work on actual bug fixes!
[19:17] <tsimonq2> Me as well.
[19:17] <redwolf> O.O
[19:17] <tsimonq2> I set a goal for myself - by Feature Freeze of this release, I'd like to apply for MOTU.
[19:18] <gilir> thanks, you let me the hardest stuff to fix :-(
[19:18] <tsimonq2> (notice I don't say "get" because they may not approve me)
[19:18] <tsimonq2> XD gilir
[19:18] <tsimonq2> gilir: Well you have a really good amount of packaging skills, so simple stuff is just wasting time if others can do it. ;)
[19:19] <wxl> besides that, gilir, none of us are really well equipped to deal with c++
[19:19] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:19] <wxl> i can read it, generally, but there are some subtlties that make it hard for me to really help with
[19:19] <lyn||ian> I kind of know C++ but have troubles working with other codebases and have not done much
[19:19] <gilir> wxl, me either, you know ...
[19:20] <gilir> I only deal with C, and it's not easy every day :-(
[19:20] <wxl> oh my
[19:20] <wxl> well even c sometimes..
[19:20] <redwolf> gilir, now you talk about coding... I have a question, but maybe it needs to be another topic
[19:20] <tsimonq2> Which reminds me...
[19:21] <lyn||ian> I should get bug control but need to apply
[19:21] <tsimonq2> lyn||ian: same
[19:21] <wxl> i'll get there eventually, but we need to have some of this other stuff taken care of
[19:21] <tsimonq2> +1 wxl
[19:21] <tsimonq2> Anyways...
[19:21] <tsimonq2> #topic ARTWORK!!!
[19:21] <gilir> bug control is a good start for dealing with bugs :-)
[19:21] <redwolf> O.O!
[19:21] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Your turn!
[19:21] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Tell us all about your whereabouts!
[19:22] <redwolf> well, dunno. first thing: the site
[19:22] <redwolf> I'm doing changes. but I'll showed you all this, so no need for chatting about
[19:22] <wxl> brb
[19:22] <tsimonq2> redwolf: One thing I want to ask you about.
[19:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: ack
[19:22] <redwolf> icons and glyphs: gilir and I keep regular contact if any app (specially Qt ones) need some artwork
[19:23] <redwolf> do ask, tsimonq2
[19:23] <tsimonq2> redwolf: So you know how the Ubuntu Design Team has their palette?
[19:23] <tsimonq2> https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
[19:23] <redwolf> yes
[19:23] <redwolf> why?
[19:23] <tsimonq2> redwolf: How hard would it be for you to make something similar?
[19:23] <tsimonq2> I see myself more frequently wanting one of these.
[19:23] <redwolf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing#Colour_palette
[19:24] <tsimonq2> OH
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Huh
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Ok
[19:24] <redwolf> :|
[19:24] <Night_Stranger> Hello everyone! Can I ask a question about LXDE development? Or it'll be off-top?
[19:24] <redwolf> smaller items, because we don't need such a wide range to cover
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Wellllllllllllllllllllll it's not advertized good enough then XD
[19:24] <redwolf> tsimonq2, :)
[19:24] <redwolf> tsimonq2, you can even download it
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Night_Stranger: Give me just a sec
[19:25] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Anything else to talk about here?
[19:25] <redwolf> yes, but it's regarding future development (desktop)
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[19:25] <redwolf> not artwork
[19:25] <tsimonq2> #topic Development
[19:26] <redwolf> my turn!
[19:26] <tsimonq2> Night_Stranger: Ask your question now :)
[19:26] <redwolf> :|
[19:26] <Night_Stranger> Well, do you have a plan to add old parts of LXDE from git.lxde.org to github.com/lxde ? Because there is only LXTerminal remains. I wanted to make a pull request for libfm but it's impossible, because of lack of majority of LXDE parts on github. Sorry English is not my native language.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> gilir: If you want to address all of your meeting items now, you can.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> Night_Stranger: I don't believe we're the right people to ask about this. Try #lxde on freenode?
[19:27] <gilir> Night_Stranger, github is not where LXDE parts are maintained
[19:27] <gilir> Night_Stranger, you shoudl look at https://git.lxde.org/gitweb/
[19:28] <tsimonq2> #subtopic 17.04 and before
[19:28] <tsimonq2> Grr is that not a thing, meetingology ?
[19:28] <gilir> and currently it's not planned to have all of them on github ... but you can publish your changes to github, and post on the bugtracker the link
[19:29] <tsimonq2> That works too. :)
[19:29] <tsimonq2> gilir: So then whenever you're ready.
[19:29] <gilir> ok
[19:30] <gilir> first, there was a couple of changes on the last releases
[19:30] <Night_Stranger> gilir, but LXTerminal is there on github. Yes, I know about git.lxde.org, and I tried even to send an e-mail with PR to one of main developers about a half year ago, but he doesn't answer me. I know he may bust, but not to answer about a half year... I don't know what to do.
[19:30] <redwolf> gilir, are you going to set the Lubuntu theme by default? last image had Frost activated
[19:30] <Night_Stranger> *busy
[19:30] <gilir> for exemple, pulseaudio by default, or the software center
[19:31] <gilir> Night_Stranger, I'll check with you after the meeting :-)
[19:31] <gilir> I just wanted to have your opinions on those changes, are the feedbacks from the users are good, bad ...
[19:32] <gilir> I'm kind of disconnected since a while :-)
[19:32] <Night_Stranger> Thanks, gilir, I'll be here then till the end of discussion.
[19:32] <lyn||ian> I actually have not heard any problems with pulseaudio
[19:32] <sudodus> I like pulseaudio. (I do not use Software Centers, but command line or Synaptic.)
[19:33] <wxl> the only problems i have heard, at all, have surrounded snd_hda_intel, but that's not because of pulseaudio :)
[19:33] <tsimonq2> Well, we have had problems with Lubuntu 16.04 LTS. Since only alsa is used, it broke Firefox's audio since they disabled alsa in the default build.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> s/disabled alsa/disabled alsa support/
[19:33] <gilir> tsimonq2, but well, not really our fault :-)
[19:34] <tsimonq2> gilir: Yeah I agree, not really. :)
[19:34] <lyn||ian> Yes I know about that
[19:34] <tsimonq2> But it's unfortunate.
[19:34] <wxl> the thing we have to realize, too, is that taking up additional resources is not necessarily a bad thing. the "old computers" that people are using are getting newer as time goes by :)
[19:35] <lyn||ian> yeah I am not using my pentium IV anymore really
[19:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: And I'd like to discuss that in a different topic. ;)
[19:35] <gilir> wxl, yes, but I really would like to add stuff only if it's really necessary
[19:35] <sudodus> +1 (the ten year old limit is a moving target)
[19:35] <tsimonq2> +1 gilir
[19:35] <redwolf> +1
[19:35] <wxl> yeah and pulseaudio SHOULD provide a better experience
[19:35] <lyn||ian> +1
[19:36] <tsimonq2> +1
[19:36] <wxl> although i remember at one time when i first started following lubuntu, there was an argument about whether or not we should include a clipboard manager XD
[19:36] <gilir> ok, also there any other topics on 17.04 ? Any big issues on dev part ?
[19:36] <redwolf> I have a question
[19:36] <redwolf> Wayland?
[19:36] <tsimonq2> gilir: Not on 17.04 but on 16.04, actually.
[19:36] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Go away. :)
[19:36] <redwolf> the X server
[19:37] <redwolf> all flavours agreed to move to Wayland (KDE already in work). does it affect us?
[19:37] <tsimonq2> gilir: Should we consider replacing Firefox in 16.04 LTS? It's not entirely out of the question if we work with the release team.
[19:37] <lyn||ian> well one thing is going to wayland will require a big change to lubuntu default settings
[19:37] <sudodus> How do you like using a swapfile instead of a swap partition? And the size is below that necessary for hibernation.
[19:37] <wxl> the only other thing affecting 17.04 is some networking issue(s?) that release team is working on. i haven't seen them personally, so don't know what to say
[19:37] <gilir> redwolf, let's talk about when X will not be maintained on official repositories, ok ? :-)
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Yeah wxl
[19:38] <sudodus> The *default* size
[19:38] <redwolf> okies, gilir :)
[19:38] <tsimonq2> sudodus: I don't use swap or hibernation so others will have to answer that.
[19:38] <wxl> going back to the firefox thing, i think we should stay with it
[19:39] <wxl> i use a swapfile and i like it
[19:39] <lyn||ian> I have a swapfile not sure I use swap really
[19:39] <gilir> tsimonq2, not removing Firefox. If it can't be fix, we will have to add PA I'm afradi :-/
[19:39] <tsimonq2> gilir: That's fair.
[19:39] <sudodus> +1 for keeping Firefox
[19:40] <lyn||ian> +1 keep firefox
[19:40] <tsimonq2> #subtopic Discuss the replacement of gnome-mplayer (unmaintained) by gnome-mpv
[19:40] <tsimonq2> What's this all about, gilir?
[19:40] <redwolf> https://gnome-mpv.github.io
[19:40] <gilir> ok, you may know (or not :-)) that gnome-mplayer is not maintained anymore
[19:41] <gilir> it was removed from Debian, and I asked to keep it on Ubuntu until we have a solution
[19:41] <lyn||ian> yes I do not think gnome-mplayer works well at all
[19:41] <gilir> well, I think we have a solution :-)
[19:41] <sudodus> I vote for using maintained software
[19:41] <wxl> hahahah me too
[19:41] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:41] <gilir> lyn||ian, it's working, but yes people reported issues with it
[19:41] <lyn||ian> I have had it crash on startup on opening an audio podcast
[19:41] <redwolf> +1 for mpv
[19:42] <lyn||ian> +1 mpv
[19:42] <redwolf> what about codecs?
[19:42] <wxl> i think this is a no-brainer. what *dis*advantage is there to using mpv?
[19:42] <tsimonq2> +1
[19:42] <gilir> redwolf, as far as I know, it used the same tech that gnome-mplayer
[19:42] <redwolf> nice
[19:42] <gilir> it's just the UI which change a bit
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Just for record's sake...
[19:43] <redwolf> it looks better. reminds me to newest Totem
[19:43] <tsimonq2> #voters sudodus wxl redwolf lyn||ian tsimonq2
[19:43] <meetingology> Current voters: lyn||ian redwolf sudodus tsimonq2 wxl
[19:43] <gilir> redwolf, me too, I loved totem years ago ...
[19:43] <redwolf> :)
[19:43] <wxl> it might be good to know that mpv is a fork of mplayer2 and MPlayer https://mpv.io/
[19:43] <lyn||ian> +1 mpv
[19:43] <tsimonq2> #vote Move to mpv from gnome-mplayer
[19:43] <meetingology> Please vote on: Move to mpv from gnome-mplayer
[19:43] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:43] <tsimonq2> #votesrequired 4
[19:43] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[19:43] <redwolf> +1
[19:43] <meetingology> +1 received from redwolf
[19:43] <wxl> +1
[19:43] <meetingology> +1 received from wxl
[19:43] <lyn||ian> +1
[19:43] <meetingology> +1 received from lyn||ian
[19:43] <tsimonq2> +1
[19:43] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[19:43] <gilir> +1
[19:44] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[19:44] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Move to mpv from gnome-mplayer
[19:44] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:44] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:44] <gilir> what ? I can't vote :-)
[19:44] <tsimonq2> OH shoot
[19:44] <redwolf> LOL
[19:44] <sudodus> +1
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Well it was carried anyways, I did that for record's sake.
[19:44] <wxl> heheh
[19:44] <redwolf> sorry, I have to leave now
[19:44] <wxl> k
[19:44] <wxl> :(
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Bai redwolf :(
[19:44] <gilir> well, I was going to do the change anyway :-p
[19:44] <tsimonq2> gilir: :P
[19:44] <redwolf> brb in 1 hour
[19:44] <redwolf> o/
[19:44] <tsimonq2> #subtopic Discuss the possible removal of blueman by a lxpanel applet
[19:44] <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf
[19:45] <sudodus> Bye redwolf
[19:45] <tsimonq2> Explain this one, gilir?
[19:45] <gilir> ok that's a more tricky one :-)
[19:45] <lyn||ian> I do not use anything bluetooth so I am a bit ignorant on this front
[19:45] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:45] <gilir> there is a raspberry OS, using LXDE, and they added some new stuff
[19:46] <gilir> including an applet to configure bluetooth stuff
[19:46] <wxl> i do use bluetooth
[19:46] <wxl> so i can test this out
[19:46] <wxl> do we have it packaged or in a ppa or can i compile it myself?
[19:47] <tsimonq2> gilir: So are you saying that we're looking to have this on by default?
[19:47] <wxl> i have both output and input devices, too. several.
[19:47] <gilir> I propose to add it earlier in 17.10, and to turn it on by default
[19:47] <wxl> and several adapters
[19:47] <wxl> assuming it provides a similar experience to blueman, i'm all for it
[19:47] <gilir> we can keep blueman for a time, but I think it will not be so usefull with the applet enable
[19:47] <wxl> what's upstream's take on this?
[19:47] <tsimonq2> Then let's do it :)
[19:48] <tsimonq2> Oh, yeah, +1 wxl
[19:48] <gilir> wxl, well, it's a lot more ... simple :-)
[19:48] <sudodus> What about the CD size issue of the alternate iso files?
[19:48] <tsimonq2> sudodus: We have an agenda item for that.
[19:49] <gilir> sudodus, that's another problem, the applet itself is small (not adding depends)
[19:49] <wxl> sudodus: i think we just need to accept that as reality. core changes are pretty much beyond our control and very hard to keep up with. besides, are there many usable machines any more that can't handle dvd and/or usb?
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Last thing here...
[19:49] <tsimonq2> #subtopic  	
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Discuss the possible replacement of network-manager by dhcpcd/dhcpcd-gtk
[19:49] <sudodus> I mean what is the size of the new bluetooth applet?
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Grrr
[19:49] <wxl> sudodus: tl;dr it would be smaller
[19:49] <tsimonq2> Oh, I get it sudodus
[19:49] <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl, probably...
[19:49] <sudodus> fine :-)
[19:49] <tsimonq2> #subtopic Discuss the possible replacement of network-manager by dhcpcd/dhcpcd-gtk
[19:50] <wxl> the change would just be an additional plugin in lxpanel (as i understand it)
[19:50] <lyn||ian> I do not know what the ui of dhcpcd is
[19:50] <gilir> ok, this one is the worst :-)
[19:50] <wxl> but blueman has several requirements
[19:51] <gilir> wxl, I hoped to remove it for a bit of space :-)
[19:51] <wxl> im not familiar with dhcpcd either
[19:51] <gilir> but I'm not sure it will be significant
[19:51] <gilir> so, I found that there is actually a possible replacement for network-manager stack
[19:52] <wxl> oh and it already has an lxde panel plugin? or is that just dhcpcd-ui
[19:52] <gilir> wxl, there is a plugin (on raspberry OS), but it's not working very well
[19:52] <wxl> ah ic that now
[19:53] <gilir> wxl, but dhcpcd-gtk is a tray icon, so it's not mandatory to have the applet working
[19:53] <wxl> nice
[19:53] <gilir> it's better, but not mandatory :-)
[19:53] <wxl> and requirements are next to none
[19:53] <wxl> https://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd-ui
[19:53] <gilir> exactly :-)
[19:53] <gilir> i tested also with wifi, it's working as expected
[19:53] <wxl> nice
[19:54] <wxl> what about vpn?
[19:54] <lyn||ian> what about setting up bridged networking
[19:54] <gilir> that's the problem :-) there is probably other uses cases to test :-)
[19:54] <lyn||ian> I probably should be the one to test that
[19:54] <wxl> i'll check on the vpn
[19:55] <gilir> network-manager is nice, because the support is great, for many uses cases
[19:55] <gilir> and changing the network stack is quite dangerous
[19:55] <gilir> well, it's kind of critical :-)
[19:55] <wxl> hahahah
[19:55] <sudodus> I am happy with network-manager
[19:55] <wxl> a little bit
[19:56] <wxl> you should see the comments about the networking issues i aforementioned
[19:56] <tsimonq2> So anything else on this?
[19:57] <lyn||ian> If we do this this will require a lot of testing
[19:57] <Unit193> And connman/cmst of course.
[19:57] <tsimonq2> Unit193: That breaks every time I try to use it...
[19:57] <gilir> Unit193, I'm not sure it's lighter than network-manager :-)
[19:57] <gilir> and yes, you can't have both installed ...
[19:58] <wxl> as long as it's not wicd XD
[19:58] <gilir> so, there is 2 choices about that I think
[19:58] <gilir> 1) switch ealier on 17.10, see the complains, and decide to stay or not
[19:59] <gilir> 2) As for a lot of testing, and decide after, but I think it will be too late for the next LTS
[20:00] <lyn||ian> gilir, I meant before 17.10
[20:00] <wxl> i'm sure lyn||ian and i could do some testing before 17.10 really starts
[20:00] <gilir> if we don't try the switch now, for this critical piece, I don't think it's safe to try it later
[20:00] <lyn||ian> gilir, +1 on that
[20:01] <gilir> yeah, when I say "for 17.10", I mean for 17.10 alpha 1 :-)
[20:01] <wxl> judging by this it seems vpn shuld be ok https://roy.marples.name/archives/dhcpcd-discuss/0000074.html
[20:01] <sudodus> OK, I see the point. Go ahead and good luck :-)
[20:02] <wxl> yeah i think it's worth a shot
[20:02] <wxl> if it fails, it will be easy to resolve
[20:02] <tsimonq2> I think we should vote.
[20:02] <tsimonq2> #voters sudodus wxl gilir lyn||ian tsimonq2 redwolf
[20:02] <meetingology> Current voters: gilir lyn||ian redwolf sudodus tsimonq2 wxl
[20:03] <sudodus> +1
[20:03] <wxl> lyn||ian: https://roy.marples.name/archives/dhcpcd-discuss/0001047.html
[20:03] <tsimonq2> #vote Move to dhcpcd for network management by 17.10 Alpha 1
[20:03] <meetingology> Please vote on: Move to dhcpcd for network management by 17.10 Alpha 1
[20:03] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:03] <wxl> +1
[20:03] <meetingology> +1 received from wxl
[20:03] <tsimonq2> +1
[20:03] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[20:03] <sudodus> +1
[20:03] <meetingology> +1 received from sudodus
[20:03] <tsimonq2> #votesrequired 4
[20:03] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[20:04] <gilir> +1
[20:04] <meetingology> +1 received from gilir
[20:04] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[20:04] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Move to dhcpcd for network management by 17.10 Alpha 1
[20:04] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:04] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:04] <lyn||ian> +1
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[20:04] <gilir> I like breaking stuff :-p
[20:04] <wxl> sheesh tsimonq2
[20:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: What, for voting constantly or ending it early? :P
[20:04] <wxl> the latter
[20:05] <tsimonq2> #action gilir to switch Lubuntu's network stack to dhcpcd for 17.10 Alpha 1
[20:05] <meetingology> ACTION: gilir to switch Lubuntu's network stack to dhcpcd for 17.10 Alpha 1
[20:06] <tsimonq2> #action gilir to switch to mpv from gnome-mplayer in the seed for 17.10
[20:06] <meetingology> ACTION: gilir to switch to mpv from gnome-mplayer in the seed for 17.10
[20:06] <wxl> we done yet? :)
[20:06] <tsimonq2> Nope lol
[20:07] <tsimonq2> #topic Donations
[20:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Status update?
[20:07] <wxl> nothing
[20:07] <tsimonq2> What are we waiting on?
[20:07] <wxl> i need a lawyer to confirm we're doing everything right
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:08] <wxl> i've contacted the ummmm software freedom law center and they're slow as molasses
[20:08] <wxl> maybe i'll try avvo and see if i can't get lucky that way
[20:09] <tsimonq2> While we're on this item, I want to point out that getting this set up should be a priority. Projects like Ubuntu MATE are pulling in, what, $20000 monthly? We could fund a lot of different things with 1/20th of that.
[20:09] <tsimonq2> I understand queues are long. And that really sucks. :)
[20:09] <tsimonq2> So, moving on.
[20:09] <wxl> #action wxl to look into other resources for legal help other than sflc
[20:09] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl to look into other resources for legal help other than sflc
[20:09] <tsimonq2> ^ bingo
[20:10] <tsimonq2> #topic LXQt
[20:10] <tsimonq2> I want to get opinions on Lubuntu's LXQt involvement as of now.
[20:10] <tsimonq2> I understand gilir has doubts.
[20:10] <tsimonq2> But, if we *want* to do anything, now is the time
[20:10] <tsimonq2> (LTS coming up)
[20:11] <gilir> I still have doubts :-)
[20:11]  * acheronUK goggles at https://www.patreon.com/ubuntu_mate
[20:11] <tsimonq2> It seems like at this point I've been doing a good chunk of the development work. But, at this point, I'm under it's worth it if we aren't going to do it.
[20:11] <tsimonq2> s/under/unsure/
[20:11] <sudodus> What is the main problem with LXQt?
[20:12] <lyn||ian> I like lxqt but have not done much recently
[20:12] <wxl> we're not going to do it? or we're going to do it in a different way than originally discussed?
[20:12] <tsimonq2> That's what I want to find out.
[20:12] <lyn||ian> The getting all the default settings for lubuntu is where it mainly needs work
[20:12] <tsimonq2> lyn||ian: Bingo.
[20:12] <tsimonq2> I've been doing some work in ppa:lubuntu-next/unstable
[20:12] <lyn||ian> I have had lxqt upstream default and that is quite good
[20:13] <tsimonq2> But it's a good chunk of work.
[20:13] <tsimonq2> I know, in my honest opinion, LXQt is stable enough for the end user.
[20:13] <lyn||ian> hmmm tsimonq2 I wish I knew of this earlier
[20:13] <tsimonq2> I want to know gilir's opinion specifically.
[20:14] <tsimonq2> (since he's the development team head)
[20:14] <gilir> well, I'm not afraid about LXQt itself
[20:14] <gilir> I'm afraid about the others apps we have to add to make a decent distro
[20:15] <tsimonq2> I see what you're saying.
[20:15] <gilir> and I fear that the result will not be better that the LXDE one
[20:15] <lyn||ian> I can use qpdfview ok but the new version is quite good
[20:15] <wxl> well i mean there are other distros that are lxqt-only, right?
[20:15] <tsimonq2> I've seen a good amount of improvement in that area, gilir.
[20:15] <gilir> Also, my knowledge on Qt and C++ is ... limited
[20:15] <lyn||ian> and with qupzilla 2.0 not being in the repos as 1.8.* is crashing more and more often
[20:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: Sure, but those distributions don't get a lot of attention. I feel as if people are holding their breath for Lubuntu.
[20:16] <Night_Stranger> Do you want to remove LXDE completely and replace it by LXQt?
[20:16] <tsimonq2> Night_Stranger: tl;dr that was our original plan, yes.
[20:16] <tsimonq2> But I'd like to take a vote here.
[20:16] <wxl> that's my feeling, too
[20:16] <wxl> that people are waiting for us
[20:17] <Night_Stranger> I hope you'll make alternative builds with LXDE, I really like LXDE more
[20:17] <wxl> i think that's more likely
[20:17] <tsimonq2> I want to know if the Lubuntu team as a whole is still interested in this, and if so, then we can talk timing etc.
[20:17] <gilir> maybe people are waiting for a LXQt version of L/Ubuntu
[20:17] <lyn||ian> I think there are quite a few with irc coming in asking about it
[20:17] <tsimonq2> ^
[20:17] <gilir> but I think some want to keep a LXDE version :-)
[20:18] <tsimonq2> So what should we do about that, guys?
[20:18] <lyn||ian> gilir, yeah I think that too
[20:18] <gilir> IMO, both version can be usefull
[20:19] <gilir> I think it's a good idea to keep working on the lXQt version
[20:19] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:19] <gilir> but as a parralele version for now, until it's working
[20:19] <sudodus> I think we should keep LXDE. If there is time and energy for LXQt too, fine!
[20:19] <gilir> and so, we can evaluate both, and maybe keep both :-)
[20:19] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[20:20] <tsimonq2> #voters tsimonq2 wxl gilir lyn||ian sudodus redwolf
[20:20] <meetingology> Current voters: gilir lyn||ian redwolf sudodus tsimonq2 wxl
[20:20] <tsimonq2> #vote Should we keep working on an LXQt Lubuntu?
[20:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should we keep working on an LXQt Lubuntu?
[20:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:20] <wxl> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from wxl
[20:20] <tsimonq2> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[20:20] <sudodus> What do the votes mean?
[20:21] <tsimonq2> sudodus: That you'd like the work on it to continue
[20:21] <sudodus> I would vote '+2 for both'
[20:21] <lyn||ian> +1
[20:21] <meetingology> +1 received from lyn||ian
[20:21] <sudodus> +1
[20:21] <meetingology> +1 received from sudodus
[20:22] <tsimonq2> gilir
[20:22] <tsimonq2> ?
[20:22] <tsimonq2> :)
[20:22] <gilir> just to be clear, I'm for working on it, I not sure I'll have a lot of time to help on it
[20:22] <tsimonq2> That's totally fair, gilir.
[20:22] <gilir> +1, but it doesn't mean you should only count on me :-)
[20:22] <meetingology> +1, but it doesn't mean you should only count on me :-) received from gilir
[20:22] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[20:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should we keep working on an LXQt Lubuntu?
[20:22] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:23] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:23] <tsimonq2> gilir: The impression that phillw gave was that this was completely your job...
[20:23] <tsimonq2> But I digress, let's not get into that.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> So, let's talk about timing.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> I vote for having a Lubuntu LXQt image for Alpha 1, that's on cdimage
[20:24] <tsimonq2> It could be completely useless, but as long as we have something that's bootable and can run programs.
[20:24] <wxl> we can figure out all the apps by then????
[20:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: No, that's not my point
[20:25] <tsimonq2> It's to have an image that may be unfinished
[20:25] <wxl> release team will alow that?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> Yep.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> We already have everything in place for it.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> But I've been doing work in a PPA.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Seeing as I have no archive access to actually upload my results, it's pretty useless for working on the image.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> At one point I talked to Adam about just adding the PPA to the image and giving me upload access to the PPA.
[20:27] <tsimonq2> Adam was for it, given that I have a person that can vouch for me if something gets massively screwed up.
[20:27] <gilir> tsimonq2, 17.10 will be open soon, so why just submit your change to official repo ?
[20:27] <gilir> if you build it on the unstable PPA, it can be tested and review
[20:28] <tsimonq2> gilir: Because the review process is an overhead of a few days... how do I know if I have an image which will build correctly?
[20:28] <wxl> here's the only distro i can find where LXQt is the default desktop http://www.extix.se/?p=274
[20:28] <tsimonq2> I do see your point, and it's a perfectly valid point.
[20:29] <wxl> they seem to be including gtk apps, so they don't care about keeping it qt
[20:29] <tsimonq2> gilir: That was the point with just adding a stable PPA to the image. Since it's an experimental image, and for now, we haven't decided to ship it "officially," it reduces overhead for getting fixes in.
[20:29] <wxl> that said, we really have no one to base our decisions on apps on
[20:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: So it's fair game, really.
[20:31] <tsimonq2> But, I think that we've pretty much decided on what we've needed to decide on for this.
[20:31] <tsimonq2> We're already 30 minutes over time.
[20:31] <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2 to get LXQt image for Alpha 1
[20:31] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to get LXQt image for Alpha 1
[20:31] <tsimonq2> THat's not new :P ^
[20:31] <tsimonq2> One more thing...
[20:31] <tsimonq2> #topic mkusb
[20:32] <tsimonq2> sudodus: The floor is yours. :)
[20:32] <sudodus> I think the current version, mkusb 12 alias mkusb-dus is rather stable now,
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[20:33] <sudodus> But it seems difficult to get it accepted in a repository. What news have you got tsimonq2?
[20:34] <tsimonq2> sudodus: I have a DD lined up and I was going to get it uploaded to Debian within a week of A cycle opening.
[20:34] <sudodus> Also, I have to step down, partly because I am getting old and sick too. I must spend more of my time on real life issues.
[20:35] <sudodus> What is 'a DD lined up'?
[20:36] <tsimonq2> I have a Debian Developer who is willing to upload it for me.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> sudodus: If you're stepping down and no longer leading the project, I can let him know not to review it?
[20:36] <sudodus> I might be able to fix some bugs, but Israel Dahl, the developer of ToriOS intends to continue the development of mkusb.
[20:37] <sudodus> So I think the Debian Developer should chat with Israel, you and me.
[20:37] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Let's talk after the meeting then.
[20:38] <sudodus> OK
[20:38] <tsimonq2> I think this has gone on for a long time. :P
[20:38] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[20:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Apr 14 20:38:24 2017 UTC.
[20:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2017/lubuntu-devel.2017-04-14-18.54.moin.txt
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Thanks for coming everyone!
[20:39] <sudodus> Thanks chairman Simon :-)
[20:39] <gilir> thanks tsimonq2 for the meeting :-)
[20:40] <tsimonq2> :)
[20:42] <gilir> Night_Stranger, did you post something there : https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/patches/ ?
[20:43] <Night_Stranger> gilir, well, I'll try to explain as I can. First, I made feature request for LXPanel on sourceforge.net/lxde and wrote one of the main developers info about it in summer 2016. But he didn't answer me then. After some time I was so angry that I made a fix for it by myself (I don't have programming skill at all, only a school level). I sent it to the same developer in November, and he answered me. He said that he is busy
[20:43] <Night_Stranger> it's better to do it later for new major version. OK, I understood him then, everyone is busy etc. Later, in January, I've decided to make another PR for LibFM and send him. But he didn't answered me again. At all, for today. Of course, I'm not software engineer and my PRs may be strongly critisized, but there was nothing. If LXDE was placed on github, I could sent my PR there and check it after. But now I'm just bangi
[20:43] <sudodus> tsimonq2: What do you need for mkusb? Maybe the address israeldahl@gmail.com
[20:43] <Night_Stranger> I wanted to help with development, and I can't even get an answer from developers. Here is my PR: https://github.com/SauronfromMordor/LXPanel/commit/601374ac029adfcda0415b0995f0362b358e7dcf
[20:45] <gilir> Night_Stranger, don't be too mad at him, he is very busy with real life
[20:45] <gilir> sometimes, he disapears for months :-/
[20:46] <tsimonq2> sudodus: Have him send me an email. ;)
[20:47] <Night_Stranger> I understood, gilir, but I just wanted to help. I really like LXDE more than LXQT and have a couple of ideas for PRs, but what's a reason of them if they may be not merged never?
[20:48] <gilir> Night_Stranger, it's really a problem of availability and time :-/ I discuss with him others items, and clearly he lacks free time :-/
[20:49] <gilir> Night_Stranger, if you can post your changes / PR on the LXDE bugtracker, we may have time to review them, but I can't when :-/
[20:50] <wxl> sorry i disappeared
[20:50] <sudodus> tsimonq2: OK
[20:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: Could you take a look a bug 1682927 please?
[20:52] <Night_Stranger> gilir, do you mean bugtracker on sourceforge? If yes, here is welcome from 2016 https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/839/
[20:53] <gilir> Night_Stranger, ok, thanks for your contribution, and sorry for being slow on merging stuff :-/
[20:55] <Night_Stranger> This is bad that you don't want to get LXDE on github. It could be more comfortable for newcomers like me.
[20:55] <gilir> tsimonq2, focus with openbox is a nightmare :-/ And the bug reporter has probably right
[20:55] <wxl> Night_Stranger: we're contributors to LXDE, not the maintainers.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> gilir: Ok :)
[20:56] <wxl> Night_Stranger: #lxde on OFTC is the best place to reach the LXDE developers, but they're a very small community.
[20:56] <gilir> sorry, I really have to go :-/
[20:56] <wxl> bai gilir thanks again
[20:56] <gilir> good night all, thanks for the meeting :-)
[20:58] <wxl> further resources to contact LXDE are here: http://lxde.org/join/
[20:58] <tsimonq2> Bai Julien
[20:58] <wxl> you'll notice ZERO mention of GitHub on that page
[20:59] <wxl> though git.lxde.org does mention that *SOME* of the repositories can be found on Github
[20:59] <wxl> because git.lxde.org is both GTK and Qt.
[20:59] <wxl> and Github is only Qt.
[20:59] <Night_Stranger> Ah, understood. Thanks for the explanation. I hope they'll listen to me finally.
[21:00] <wxl> that said, you could bring up the discussion on the lxde-list https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list
[21:01] <wxl> and/or you can make a bug report on it
[21:01] <wxl> i.e. the bug being that LXDE is not hosted on GitHub
[21:01] <wxl> just don't make that bug report on GitHub :)
[21:02] <wxl> you can make a report here
[21:02] <wxl> https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/bugs/?source=navbar
[21:02] <Night_Stranger> wxl, I already made the bug report on sf and wrote about it earlier, but thanks.
[21:03] <wxl> Night_Stranger: no, i mean a bug report about the hosting not being on github
[21:03] <sudodus> bye everybody :-)
[21:05] <Night_Stranger> Ah, if my report was unanswered for several months, then report on github will be answered faster. That's a good plan. Thanks everyone, and good bye. I'll check these IRC and mailing lists.
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[21:51] <tsimonq2> RRRAAAFFFAAAEEELLL!!!
 simon, I need the Telegram URLs, I'm going to add them to the "social" section
 I'm doing icons too :)
 https://t.me/lubuntudevel
 just one? what about the others? offtopic, support...
 @VikingRedwolf, Unit193 doesn't like it anywhere but here ^_^
 Telegram is getting really popular
[21:59] <lubot1> acheronuk was added by: acheronuk
 it is :P
 O.O
 @acheronuk!!!
 should not have posted the link. lol
 I don't care, I'm glad to have you here :D
 yer! everybody's welcomed here. even faggots like @tsimonq2 😐
 soooo... just one link? oh come one, a single more icon will break the symmetry!
 @VikingRedwolf, Yep.
[23:14] <wxl> hey @julienlavergne it seems like we got a grub issue on 16.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1639374
[23:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: You were going to email the IRCC?
[23:16] <wxl> yeah got to do that too
[23:16] <wxl> i should start making a todo
[23:17] <wxl> what is there instead of trello?
[23:17] <tsimonq2> +1 on todo
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Uhmmmmmmmmmm idk?
[23:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: Gobby?
[23:18]  * wxl sighs
[23:18] <wxl> maybe i should set up todo bot in our slack
[23:18] <tsimonq2> Noooooooooo I don't want to ever have to log into that again >________________________<
[23:18] <wxl> you don't have to
[23:19] <wxl> there's irc silly
[23:19] <tsimonq2> OH
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Wait
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Uh
[23:19] <tsimonq2> What?
[23:19] <tsimonq2> How?
[23:19] <wxl> hahahahah
[23:19] <tsimonq2> HUH?
[23:19] <wxl> you have to log in to get your password but it's lubuntu.irc.slack.com
[23:19] <tsimonq2> ffs I DON'T WANT ANOTHER IRC SERVER :P
[23:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Please, no Slack.
[23:20] <wxl> then give me a better idea
[23:20] <tsimonq2> Gobby?
[23:20] <wxl> one that doesn't involve me logging in anywhere :)
[23:20] <tsimonq2> Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:20] <tsimonq2> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[23:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: SLACK INVOLVES LOGGING IN
[23:20] <wxl> NOT WHEN YOU USE THE IRC INTERFACE HAH
[23:21] <tsimonq2> BAHHHHHHHHHH BUT THAT'S STILL LOGGING IN
[23:21] <wxl> no, i'm always here
[23:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://jh3y.github.io/tyto/#board/a542d2b1-e02f-6ea2-a50a-127b7d288990
[23:24] <tsimonq2> HAH I WIN
[23:24] <wxl> ok fine
[23:24] <wxl> now how do we not lose the link? :)
[23:24] <wxl> wait
[23:24] <wxl> um
[23:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ugh no nevermind this is $hit
[23:25] <wxl> ueaj mp loddomh
[23:25] <wxl> um
[23:25] <wxl> yeah no kidding
[23:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: AHHHHHHHH JUST NOT SLACK
[23:28] <tsimonq2> I vote Gobby or Trello
[23:28] <wxl> come on
[23:29] <tsimonq2> Please no Slack
[23:30] <wxl> seriously though what's your deal with slack?
[23:32] <tsimonq2> It's super bloated imho
[23:32] <wxl> so's gobby
[23:35] <wxl> there's taiga if you want something way more complex XD
[23:35] <tsimonq2> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:35] <tsimonq2> Something simple is all I want
[23:36] <tsimonq2> I don't want to log in either
[23:36] <wxl> then slack. you're always on irc, so always be on irc. no login needed. done.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> :/
[23:39] <wxl> come onnnn
[23:40] <wxl> otherwise we're putting it on the wiki and no one wants that
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Ugh
[23:40] <tsimonq2> FINE
[23:40] <wxl> yay
[23:40] <tsimonq2> fine
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_69.mp4
 When you mentioned Slack...
 Still feel that way
[23:41] <wxl> can't get to port 9090 so sorry no
[23:41] <tsimonq2> Then go on Telegram!
[23:42] <wxl> no thanks :)
[23:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: https://lubuntu.slack.com/account/gateways
[23:52] <wxl> ok i got a compromise
[23:52] <wxl> there's trello for slack
[23:52] <wxl> so you can go log into trello
[23:52] <wxl> and i don't have to XD