[01:38] <cehwedrec> hi, i have a question for ubuntu's devs, i couldn't find an answer while searching, so here it goes:
[01:38] <cehwedrec> when will ubuntu completely get rid off anything else than systemd's mechanisms for controlling services?
[01:39] <cehwedrec> i've had some problems with the releases so far, systemctl wouldn't work properly for controlling some services
[01:39] <cehwedrec> this doesn't happen on distro's that have only systemctl
[04:36] <tsimonq2> Unit193, infinity: Interesting timing with this email... :P https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2017-April/017399.html
[04:40] <Unit193> ...OK?
[04:41] <tsimonq2> Unit193: (you remember the context for this right?)
[05:14] <cehwedrec> hi, can anyone take a look at what i wrote earlier?
[09:17] <ackk> cyphermox, hi, did you by any chance manage to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1681846 ?
[10:27] <ilmaisin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1642966
[10:28] <ilmaisin> so this problem seems to be because cups will not shut down cleanly if there are jobs in queue
[10:29] <ilmaisin> and thus it is impossible to safely do updates of any kind
[13:15] <cyphermox> ackk: no
[13:23] <smoser> slangasek, would you try to verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1677376 sometime today ?
[13:23] <smoser> i expect to have all the other cloud-init sru verified.
[17:17] <cehwedrec> hi, i have a question for ubuntu's devs, i couldn't find an answer while searching, so here it goes:
[17:17] <cehwedrec> when will ubuntu completely get rid off anything else than systemd's mechanisms for controlling services?
[17:17] <cehwedrec> i've had some problems with the releases so far, systemctl wouldn't work properly for controlling some services
[17:17] <cehwedrec> this doesn't happen on distro's that have only systemctl
[17:18] <jbicha> cehwedrec: upstart will be completely dropped in 17.10, but if you have a specific issue please file a bug
[17:19] <ogra_> well, if it is about system services, thats fully systemd only since 16.04
[17:20] <jbicha> upstart is only used for unity8 in 17.04 so that shouldn't really affect anything else at all
[17:20] <ogra_> the only bit upstart is used for still is user sessions
[17:20] <ogra_> (yeah, and even that was dropped in 17.04 for the mainstream stuff)
[17:20] <cehwedrec> i'll try 17.04 and see if i have the same probs, thanks!
[19:10] <slangasek> smoser: I'm off today, so probably not, but I can do it Monday
[21:21] <nacc> cehwedrec: i can imagine some upgrade paths may not be well-tested or could have corner cases, so bugs are probably the right way if you do reproduce it
[21:23] <Unit193> Tip, don't have cracklib-runtime installed, it bails and the upgrader has bad error recovery.
[21:26] <bdmurray> Unit193: isn't that package seeded?
[21:27] <Unit193> bdmurray: Hrm, OK.  So not specifically that package but involving that package.  I'm sorry I misspoke. :3
[21:30] <Unit193> bdmurray: Looked like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cracklib2/+bug/1681231 anywho.
[21:30] <Unit193> Which you just looked at. :)
[21:59] <nacc> sarnold: got pinged in #ubuntu about a security bug in 1678349 which has not been triaged yet (universe package i'm told) -- is the right answer "package is in universe, may not get triaged for security bugs"? or is this an oversight?