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xiedeaccwhen I install ubuntu 17.04, it prompts apci error, how to solve it ?02:50
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lordievaderGood morning.06:34
ducassemorning all06:41
lordievaderHey ducasse06:58
ducassegood morning, lordievader - everything well?07:01
lordievaderYes, doing good here :)07:27
lordievaderHow are you?07:27
ducassefine, thanks - quiet holiday time :)07:42
immuducasse: hi07:43
ducasse\o07:44
immuducasse: where is blue? updating his system?08:14
ducasseimmu: sleeping still, i would think. too early there for him to be up yet.08:16
lordievaderimmu: Check back in a few hours.08:28
lotuspsychjegood morning to all08:57
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje08:59
lotuspsychjehey lordievader all good on your side?08:59
lordievaderYes, doing good here.08:59
lordievaderHow are you?09:00
lotuspsychjegreat here, 5 days off work09:00
lotuspsychjelittle holiday09:00
lotuspsychjehey ducasse :p09:00
ducassemorning lotuspsychje :)09:01
ducassehow's life?09:01
lotuspsychjegreat here mate, about you?09:01
lotuspsychjehappy to read ubuntu-gnome will merge with ubuntu desktop vanilla09:01
lotuspsychjeso both ways 16.04 will result in vanilla gnome09:02
lotuspsychjeso ill test 16.04.2 gnome soon09:02
lotuspsychjesee if it pleasures me for my business09:02
lotuspsychjesystem76 already said to work with a 'tuned' gnome09:02
lordievaderlotuspsychje: Nice09:05
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-gnome09:08
lotuspsychjeso if gnome will not be a seperate flavor, #ubuntu-gnome channel will close?09:08
lotuspsychje!falvors09:08
lotuspsychje!flavors09:08
ubot5Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. The current list is: !Edubuntu, !Ubuntu-GNOME, !Kubuntu, Ubuntu !Kylin, !Lubuntu, !Mythbuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, !Xubuntu, and Ubuntu !MATE09:08
EriC^^heya lotuspsychje09:09
lotuspsychjehey hey EriC^^ good morning mate09:09
ducasse\o EriC^^09:09
baizonit is done09:09
baizon;(09:09
lotuspsychjehey baizon , what is?09:10
baizonClient: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Gellivara" 17.0.1 • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor (2,50GHz) • Memory: 7,6 GiB Total (5,5 GiB Free) • Storage: 66,1 GB / 501,7 GB (435,5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD790 Host Bridge • Uptime: 47m 35s09:10
ducasse_manjaro_?!09:10
lotuspsychjenew mobo & cpu?09:10
ducasse;)09:10
EriC^^hey ducasse09:10
baizonlotuspsychje: on my list, wanted to wait until ubuntu 17.04 with 4.10 kernel09:11
baizonbut now im on manjaro with RR, so i can buy it now :)09:11
lotuspsychjebaizon: yay!09:11
baizoni have to spent 450$09:11
lotuspsychjewow09:11
lotuspsychjemobo & cpu or ram also?09:11
baizonalso ram09:12
baizon8GB costs 10009:12
lotuspsychjessd inside?09:12
baizongot an Samsung 500GB SSD09:12
lotuspsychjeevo or pro?09:12
baizonevo09:12
lotuspsychjebaizon: checked samsungs website for firmware update?09:12
baizonnone09:12
baizonyes i did check it09:12
lotuspsychjebaizon: great, tnx for feedback09:13
ducasselotuspsychje: do those wipe the disk?09:13
lotuspsychjeducasse: they warn about data loss, but no, ive tested it09:13
ducasselotuspsychje: thx09:13
lotuspsychjeducasse: some of those early models needed read/write firmware on evo09:13
ducassei have two 850 evos, was thinking of updating the fw...09:14
lotuspsychjebaizon: you will switch to gnome also?09:14
lotuspsychjeducasse: well i think as baizon just said, there might be none for the 85009:15
baizonlotuspsychje: no, i switched to kde09:15
baizoni just cant handle gnome09:15
lotuspsychjebaizon: feels light in use?09:15
baizonlotuspsychje: very09:15
ducasselotuspsychje: that depends on the fw version you already have :)09:15
lotuspsychjebaizon: well ive used gnome in the early ubuntu days..was pretty light n nice on that time09:16
baizonlotuspsychje: im just not sure about manjaro09:16
lotuspsychjebut havent used gnome for years now..09:16
baizonmaybe ill switch to kubuntu09:16
lotuspsychjeducasse: ah i see :p09:16
baizonlotuspsychje: i did use gnome 2, then with 3 i switched to unity09:16
lotuspsychjebaizon: what is it that you dont like about gnome 3?09:16
lotuspsychjejust for feedback..09:17
baizonlotuspsychje: ui, just everything isnt pc-like, its for tablets and stuff09:17
lotuspsychjefeel sluggish to use?09:17
lotuspsychjewell what shuttleworth said i find a bit controversial..09:18
lotuspsychjesays not to interfere with gnome ways, but still they will create an ubuntu-minded gnome?09:18
Ben64probably a skin09:18
lotuspsychjeBen64: make it look abit more ubuntu?09:19
Ben64i don't like the whole 'need gpu' to run a desktop thing09:19
Ben64i want to use my gpu for gpu stuff09:19
lotuspsychjeyeah agree on that09:19
baizonyes, also he cant go to kde, because he was the one that fired the kubuntu head guy09:19
Ben64i mean i did run compiz back in the day09:20
Ben64but then i got old enough to drink :P09:20
lotuspsychjelol09:20
baizonbut i have to say kde is pretty smooth :)09:20
lotuspsychjewayland cant do compiz right?09:20
Ben64also that was on rh909:20
Ben64so that dates that09:20
baizonno, thats why unity 7 is dead09:20
lotuspsychjeoh..09:20
Ben64i don't know if wayland can do anything09:20
lotuspsychjewell big distro's use it atm..so there must be a reason wayland is good?09:21
Ben64well i mean i just don't know about it09:21
lotuspsychjeor will that be thenext unity8 broken dream?09:21
ducassewayland actually is getting pretty usable09:21
EriC^^i think wayland has better security than xorg for sure09:22
EriC^^i remember reading that somewhere, it's supposed to be better in many ways, like more modern and stuff09:22
EriC^^18.04 will have wayland?09:23
ducassevery likely09:23
Ben64what about mir09:23
Ben64is that still a thing09:23
lotuspsychjemir is for unity8 right09:23
Ben64ooh maybe09:23
Ben64wonder if that's dead now?09:24
ducasseyep, mir was now relegated to embedded aiui09:24
EriC^^anybody have experience in selling buying bitcoin? lotuspsychje ?09:25
Ben64i have09:25
Ben64should have got in when bitcoin was <$109:25
Ben64wouldn't be hanging out here will all you free os people anymore09:25
Ben64jk, i'd still be here, probably more often even09:25
EriC^^i was trying to buy some bitcoin, and i saw they sell for $1297/bitcoin, with current price being $1197 in google, and it said the guy been on the site for 3months with 1000+trades and 622people, so if you do the math it's like an average of $16000 profit per month, wth is this real?09:26
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: sorry, no, there's a bitcoin channel on freenode i know09:26
Ben64EriC^^: wait what09:26
EriC^^if half the people bought $500 in bitcoin, that's $50 profit each time, 50x1000 that's 50,000usd he made in 3months O.o09:26
Ben64who's buying btc for over market value09:27
Ben64it's ~$1175 currently09:27
Ben64buy for more than that and you're getting taken09:28
lotuspsychjepretty sure there's a whole hacker scene on bitcoins09:28
EriC^^yeah, they sell more cause it's a direct one, like you can meet the guy in person and give him cash and get bitcoin, or through western union09:28
lotuspsychjeso gotta be carefull out there09:28
Ben64and it actually sells?09:29
EriC^^also some people want it to be anonymous, like instead of sending through their bank to fund their bitcoin09:29
EriC^^https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/hamza72/09:29
Ben64huh.09:29
Ben64maybe i should start selling btc09:29
EriC^^it says he has 1000+ trades, 622 people, started 3 months ago09:29
lotuspsychjeyeah bitcoins is big business09:29
EriC^^there are only 5 people in my country selling, seems pretty hmm09:29
EriC^^*sha shing* ?09:30
lotuspsychjeknow a guy who does bitcoin server seeding09:30
lotuspsychjecomplicated stuff09:30
Ben64oh yeah that's tough to get into09:30
Ben64i made a bit on dogecoin when that was new09:30
Ben64mined a bunch09:30
lotuspsychje!info bfgminer09:31
ubot5bfgminer (source: bfgminer): multi-threaded multi-pool ASIC, FPGA and GPU bitcoin miner. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.2.0+dfsg-1build1 (xenial), package size 485 kB, installed size 1483 kB09:31
Ben64i had to compile my own09:31
lotuspsychjeneat09:32
Ben64yeah i might start selling bitcoin09:32
lotuspsychjealot forums for that09:32
Ben64people near me selling for 1200~130009:32
Ben64buy for 1175, free money09:33
lotuspsychjecrazy world, real money is vanishing09:33
EriC^^i'm talking to some guy, i initiated the trade, he's super responsive in the chat and stuff09:33
EriC^^i wonder if he'll explain a bit about the business since we're both lebanese09:33
Ben64if you want to buy some, you could just use credit card though09:33
Ben64maybe its harder in !US09:33
EriC^^yeah it is harder i think09:35
Ben64nobody in my immediate area, i'll make a post and see what happens09:37
Ben64For your ads to display you need to have Bitcoins in your LocalBitcoins wallet. You need 0.2 BTC or more for advertisements with online payment methods and 0.1 BTC or more for local advertisements (Cash).09:39
Ben64Each completed trade costs advertisers 1% of the total trade amount. See all fees on our fees page.09:40
Ben64aw09:40
lotuspsychjenice to find a controversial way to earn money (from home)09:40
EriC^^not *really* from home09:40
EriC^^you need to meet up with the guy09:40
lotuspsychjeand actually help the world for dirty 'real' money09:40
Ben64yeah it seems the in person cash trades are the best09:41
Ben64could also trade gift cards and stuff, which is interesting09:41
Ben64those get a worse value than cash of course09:41
lotuspsychjesounds like johhny nmemonic movie09:42
EriC^^lol09:42
lotuspsychjelaptops, cash transfers lol09:42
EriC^^man it made a killing though, bitcoin was around $1-$100 for a long time then went to like $1000+09:44
Ben64yeah09:44
Ben64thought it was a trap back then, could have been a millionaire09:45
EriC^^that's pretty nuts09:45
lotuspsychjewelcome Guest1582409:46
Guest15824Welcome!09:48
lotuspsychjeoh thank you!09:49
lotuspsychjewb brunch87510:05
lotuspsychje!info swig10:17
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lotuspsychjeis !pinning still a valid thing to do really?10:19
lotuspsychjehow is that different from backports?10:19
ducassewhy shouldn't it be?10:19
lotuspsychjewas just wondering10:20
ducassei rarely do it, though, not something you need often :)10:21
lotuspsychjetrue10:21
lotuspsychjei also rather use things vanilla10:22
lotuspsychjebut on gnome3 ill have to tune things to light/fast for my users :p10:23
lotuspsychjehmmm no new factoids yet...https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=added%20DESC&page=010:25
lotuspsychjeand so many stuff changed recently10:25
lotuspsychjehey hey BluesKaj10:29
BluesKajHey folks10:30
BluesKajhi lotuspsychje10:30
ducassegood morning BluesKaj :)10:30
BluesKaj'Morning ducasse10:31
immuBluesKaj: hey goodmorning10:43
BluesKajHi immu10:50
lotuspsychjehttps://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-released/11:22
immuBluesKaj: whats up : upgraded yet?11:23
lotuspsychjehey xangua11:44
xanguaMorning11:44
lotuspsychje!info xbindkeys11:50
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lotuspsychje!info qgis zesty11:56
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lotuspsychje!info qgis yakkety11:57
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lotuspsychjewelcome technochips12:04
technochipswhat12:05
lotuspsychjewell-come12:05
technochipsyes i see12:05
technochipsyou just welcomed me from me starting up my computer and having polari auto-startup12:06
technochipsthanks12:06
ducassethat's what you get for trying to be nice, lotuspsychje ;)12:26
BluesKajwth was he talking about ?12:29
ducasse"how dare you highlight me", probably...12:31
BluesKajthen he should shut off notification links12:36
ducasseor not autojoin channels he's not following anyway, maybe.12:37
BluesKajyup12:37
ducasseso, are you still on debian?12:37
BluesKajyes12:38
ducassewhat is it you prefer to ubuntu?12:38
BluesKajI'm using it as a back fall in kubuntu goes kaput...they aren't much different except for the default installed packages12:40
BluesKajin case12:40
ducasseright. i'm getting a little annoyed with the "autostart all the things!" thing in ubuntu, i've disabled and removed a lot of default stuff.12:42
BluesKajI used debian many yrs ago, but when i discovered kubuntu it was easier to use in my early linux days and ai stayed with it12:42
ducassei've been thinking about switching to sid, but first i'm testing out arch. kind of like it so far, it reminds me of slackware in some ways.12:43
BluesKajI'm still on kubuntu 17.04 and will probly start testing 17.10 in the next few weeks12:44
ducasseme too :) the laptop is for testing stuff :)12:45
BluesKajlots of the kubuntu testers use VMs as testbeds, but ai've never found them reliable so I still dual boot12:46
BluesKajI've switched to debian-jessie on the laptop ...very stable12:46
ducassebesides, testing on hardware is better. if everybody tested on vms there would only be so many different results.12:47
ducassejessie is dead stable, but too old for my use. there are certain things i use that 'need' to be newer versions.12:48
BluesKajthe reason i switched to debian on the laptop was I was getting false hardrive errors on kubuntu 16.10 and It would revert back to the same errors even after using e2fsck to fix it. plus wifi was giving me problems12:51
ducasseweird, but these things happen. i got some ata errors from my bluray writer after burning an iso yesterday, thinking of ripping it out.12:55
BluesKajducasse:  does brasero work ok , or do you use wodim?13:01
BluesKajk3b has been hopeless on my machines for over 2 yrs now, I files a couple of bugs , but they didn't receive much prority so I just switched to wodim in the terminal13:02
ducassei used xfburn, actually. worked like a charm. i didn't want a ton of deps, so brasero and k3b were both out.13:03
ducassei _could_ have used wodim, but for some reason i've always hated dealing with it directly.13:04
BluesKajright13:06
ducassexfburn doesn't have lots of functionality like k3b, but for just burning an existing iso it's usable.13:07
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lotuspsychjeducasse: im always being nice :p13:46
ducassei know you are :)13:48
ducasselotuspsychje: just set up an lxc container to isolate wine, i need it for winbox13:49
lotuspsychjeducasse: their working at our flat roof here13:49
lotuspsychjeducasse: ah yeah that router app you needed13:49
ducasseworking? doing what?13:49
lotuspsychjeducasse: place epdm roofing, you know that?13:50
ducasse(yes, it's for the mikrotik boxes.)13:50
lotuspsychjeducasse: its from the same material firestone uses for its tires13:51
lotuspsychjeducasse: they give 50 years garantueed life & waterproof on it13:51
ducasseoh, right, for waterproofing or something?13:51
lotuspsychjeyep13:51
ducassegood, will they finish today?13:53
lotuspsychjeducasse: no, the second roof tomorrow (if it doesnt rain)13:54
ducasselotuspsychje: better hope for nice weather then :)13:55
lotuspsychjeyeah :p13:55
lotuspsychjeducasse: well the first guy that cam to see, said 12.000 euro13:55
ducasseouch :-(13:55
lotuspsychjeducasse: so now we found a second opinion13:56
lotuspsychjewill do it for much less13:56
lotuspsychjelike 6000 for the material now13:58
lotuspsychjelot of money for just a roof :p13:59
ducasseabsolutely, but better than water dripping inside :)13:59
lotuspsychjeexactly14:00
lotuspsychjewe want it all made up once and for good14:00
ducasseand it feels so much better when all those things are fixed :)14:01
lotuspsychjeducasse: nothing to find as winbox alternative, too bad, all forums show wine14:01
lotuspsychjeducasse: we had water damage with the last snow, so we wanna avoid that in the future14:02
ducassei can use the web ui or ssh, but winbox has a few things the others don't.14:02
ducassei found this really nice router monitoring thing - routers2. uses snmp to get data, draws nice graphs and calculates totals etc.14:03
lotuspsychjecool14:04
lotuspsychjeetherape for routers :p14:04
ducasseit generates web pages that i serve locally with apache, works like a charm :)14:05
lotuspsychjenice14:05
lotuspsychjehi philipballew14:05
ducasselotuspsychje: http://www.steveshipway.org/software/index2.html14:05
lotuspsychjesummary screens lookin handy14:07
lotuspsychjehey nacc14:10
nacclotuspsychje: morning14:11
ducasse\o nacc14:11
nacchow's everyone this morning?14:11
lotuspsychjenacc: we had a very noobie troll morning14:12
naccoh excellent14:12
naccsad to have missed it :)14:12
lotuspsychje+the regular non-lts 17.04 oops its not LTS?14:12
naccno14:14
nacc16.04 and 18.04 are lts14:14
lotuspsychjelol14:14
nacclotuspsychje: context?14:14
lotuspsychjenacc: i mean we having a bunch of such users14:15
nacclotuspsychje: oh! that was the troll?14:15
lotuspsychjeseverals14:15
naccgreat14:16
naccone sec, puppy is clearly eating somethig she's not supposed to14:17
nacc(too quiet)14:17
lotuspsychjehttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1704-desks&num=114:20
* nacc hasn't played a non-steam-board-game computer game in ... 10 years?14:21
lotuspsychje:p14:21
BluesKajlotuspsychje:  I don't trust phoronix, it's led me astray in th epast14:22
lotuspsychjeoh?14:22
BluesKajespecially with graphics advice14:24
BluesKajso i stay away now when it come sup on google, which it seems to do a lot14:24
lotuspsychjekk14:26
ducassenever read phoronix, the focus on graphics/gaming is not to my taste.14:27
naccand very specific high-end rigs14:27
naccwhich i think are not relevant14:27
naccalso, honestly, who honestly cares about gaming on linux?14:28
naccerr, not two honestly's :)14:28
naccand by who, i mean, who is going to make it better?14:28
naccsteam, i guess, but they aren't doing the graphics work itself14:29
ducasseimvho, if you want to do gaming you probably shouldn't be on linux.14:30
naccyeah14:30
naccif that's your #1 use case14:30
ducassei'm curious if wayland will make any difference there. of course the drivers still need to improve, but it's my impression wayland throws up fewer roadblocks than x.14:33
lotuspsychjehttps://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/the-current-state-of-gaming-on-wayland/14:42
lotuspsychjethats few months ago14:43
naccducasse: i think it will hopefully encourage some improvements at the now common graphcis stack14:43
naccimprovements that it felt like x was never going to make14:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: did you read this1? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/android-apps-linux-desktop-anbox14:45
ducasselotuspsychje: yes, we've had a few users complain that it doesn't work, even though the github page says "pre-alpha, expect crashes, not for end users" :)14:46
lotuspsychjeducasse: but its a start right, good idea?14:46
ducasselotuspsychje: of course, although i personally don't care about it. i have no need for it.14:48
ducassethat snap runs totally unconfined, though, which is probably a really bad idea with random android apps.14:49
lotuspsychjelol yeah14:49
lotuspsychjethe lack of apps on touch were a pain for many users14:50
ducassethat was where this could be necessary, now it seems more like a fun idea than useful to me.14:50
lotuspsychje!grep15:02
ubot5grep is a command-line tool that finds a string in a file or a stream. Grep can be recursive through directories and searches can be simple or complex. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep15:02
lotuspsychjenacc: see what i mean with whole morning trolls :p15:08
naccyeah15:08
naccthere should be a !shutup trigger15:08
lotuspsychjelol15:08
lotuspsychjewe have a lot of triggers suggestions, but nobody cares anymore so it seems nacc15:09
nacclotuspsychje: :)15:09
nacci got one fix in a while back15:09
lotuspsychjeyeah that hw kernel?15:09
lotuspsychjewe need a modern trigger adding by the volunteers15:10
naccyeah15:15
lotuspsychjesomething that records our sugests15:16
lotuspsychjehmm perhaps ill talk to genii about it15:17
naccyeah, that should be relatively easy to bot itself15:17
naccor put them on the wiki?15:17
lotuspsychjenacc: the factoid wiki, or a wiki that would records our suggestions?15:18
nacclotuspsychje: i'm not sure which makes sense15:19
nacci think the latter15:19
naccas someone has to approve the suggestion to the factoid15:19
lotuspsychjealso good idea15:19
lotuspsychjebut right now, our attempts get lost in ubuntu ops timezones15:19
lotuspsychjeso in theory we have to repeat over and over for someone to see and has time to add15:20
lotuspsychjenot very practical15:20
nacclotuspsychje: yeah15:22
lotuspsychjeDArqueBishop: can you explain that statement?15:28
lotuspsychjeDArqueBishop: think 17.10 wont have gnome?15:28
DArqueBishoplotuspsychje: I don't know. I'm hardly an expert and saying "I'm pretty sure" gives me room to be wrong.15:29
lotuspsychjethink ive read somewhere it might happen, as a test before 18.0415:30
DArqueBishopI should say, "I don't know for certain, but I'm going by what I read."15:30
DArqueBishop(What I thought I read.)15:30
lotuspsychjelets c what the future will bring us15:30
lotuspsychjewelcome krypto_15:33
krypto_hey lotuspsychje15:34
baizonwow, kde is pretty awesome to be honest :)15:55
baizonit feels much "newer" then unity15:55
ducassetwm is all you need ;)16:02
ducasseruh-roh, he's back...16:19
baizonthank god i dont have nvidia :D so many problems with it when using bleeding edge :>16:36
daftykinsnone i've ever heard about :)16:40
daftykinsyou must be going out of your way to be awkward to get problems with nvidia16:40
oerheksthere is a bug with ubuntu-gnome + nvidia 375 .. well, only on gnome16:40
oerheksdkms is not created16:41
daftykinsoh 17.04 talk?16:41
oerheksjups16:41
daftykinsheh this years releases are moot to me ;D all the cool kids run LTS!16:42
* Menzador installs Arch onto daftykins ' main machine.16:42
daftykinsno thanks, i'm not a computer chav16:43
daftykinsricing my OS16:43
ducassedaftykins: don't use that ghastly word, please :)16:44
* daftykins chases ducasse with a packet of rice16:45
lotuspsychjepizzatime laterz guys17:02
kvantI've tried Fedora Gnome, Ubuntu Gnome and several other options and came back to Ubuntu Unity, I think that people don't even know how good this we have it now (I respect that some might prefer Gnome though)18:06
daftykinstechnically it *is* gnome :>18:06
kvantUnity shell vs. Gnome shell18:07
daftykinsyes, obvious18:08
brunch875fedora gnome has some big pros, such as the behaviour of notifications and the bleeding edge of packages18:14
brunch875or even wayland18:14
brunch875but drivers for the video card are a massive headache18:14
kvantyes, ofc, it's a very fine system, but for my desktop work, despite being years and years old, this Unity desktop is miles ahead, esthetically and in terms of workflow18:15
daftykinsfedora is hilariously backwards when it comes to non-free drivers18:16
kvantwayland is still not totally ready, for example I had terrible fps in steam games under wayland, had to run gnome under xorg18:16
kvantdaftykins, I can life with rpmfusion etc., but it's still such a better user experience to get it all ready out of the box on ubuntu18:17
kvantlive*18:17

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