[00:02] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Well it's a bit weird
[00:02] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: If both sides weren't crazy it would be safe
[00:03] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: If one side is crazy the worry is they might attack the other
[00:03] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: But if both sides are crazy enough to attack the other and they know it, does that make them stop?
[00:07] <zmoylan-pi> only if one of the generals says bugger this and assumes command to stop starting a war that could engulf the planet...
[00:07] <diddledan> I believe this might be pertinent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2uBeiNXAo
[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> hurray, we can ignore the warning from the monolith about europa now...  http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39592059
[00:14] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Wasn't 2001's book written based on Saturn ?
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> original book was based on saturn, film went for jupiter, all sequels of the book went with jupiter
[00:19] <penguin42> so maybe the original book was right....
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> well it's clarke so he's always right
[00:19] <penguin42> true
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> from his ereader on the flight up in 2001 to the wearable with notifications in 2010 to massive illegaly copied movies been traded on external drives in 2061
[00:35] <penguin42> oh I dont remember most of those details
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> he littered his books with 1-2 line references to technology that we now find familiar...
[00:38] <penguin42> what was his hit rate - I mean were there lots of others that didn't happen?
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think anyone has kept track of such things... it would require someone to read all of asimovs work and that would take a few years just to track them all down never mind read them
[00:40] <penguin42> s/asimov/clark/ ?
[00:40] <diddledan> why asimov?
[00:40] <diddledan> surely clark
[00:41] <diddledan> is your brain being flatulant?
[00:41] <zmoylan-pi> well if they start with clarke it will take years but you'd also have to start doing all the golden age writers then, no?
[00:43]  * penguin42 was really just asking about 20xx
[00:45] <zmoylan-pi> 2001 -  'he would plug his foolscap-sized Newspad into the ship's information circuit and scan the latest reports from Earth. One by one he would conjure up the world's major electronic papers; '
[00:46] <penguin42> nice
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> 2010 - 'when a gentle tickling on Floyd's wrist announced an incoming call. He tapped the slim metal band to quench the silent alarm and forestall the audible one, then walked to the nearest of the comsets scattered around the room.'
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> 2061 - 'There was certainly no truth in the persistent rumour that he had made his first fortune throughthe famous shoe-box-sized pirate edition of the Library of Congress.'
[00:51] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/7303/7303-h/7303-h.htm#36 from 1897
[01:17] <diddledan> what is it about australians all being called dave? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynyO3O3zd3E
[01:18]  * daftykins wonders if it's EEVBlog Dave
[01:18] <diddledan> Dave Airlie
[01:18] <diddledan> of RedHat
[01:18] <daftykins> d'aww
[01:18] <daftykins> what's with you and your late night learning? :)
[01:19] <diddledan> they needed HDMI, so he made:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KJHdAKnI/
[01:19] <diddledan> that looks to be mini-dp to dp to dvi to hdmi
[01:20] <daftykins> ja looks right
[01:20] <diddledan> just put dinner (pizza, what else) in the oven
[01:20] <daftykins> :D
[01:20] <daftykins> what else is what i had tonight, kievs and rice \o/
[01:20] <diddledan> nice
[01:21] <penguin42> diddledan: Except that he's Irish
[01:21] <diddledan> penguin42: shush. it's on linux.conf.au's youtube!
[01:22]  * diddledan wonders whether shauno will ever return
[01:23]  * zmoylan-pi looks guilty...
[01:23] <diddledan> when the related image gets it so wrong: https://cl.ly/2D0S0034160f
[01:23] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: yeah, feel bad! ;)
[01:24] <daftykins> diddledan: have you both talked since?
[01:24] <diddledan> nope
[01:24] <diddledan> haven't seen him
[01:24] <daftykins> :O
[01:24] <penguin42> diddledan: I've noticed some very fun wrong picture captioning on g.news a few months back
[01:24] <daftykins> does he not linger in #ubuntu-server anymore?
[01:25] <diddledan> looks like he's online. only in #docker now
[01:25] <daftykins> Mass Effect had me reading about this earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
[01:25] <diddledan> perhaps he's quit freenode almost completely
[01:26] <daftykins> such was our teasing of fruity tech
[01:26] <diddledan> aah the kardashev scale
[01:26] <diddledan> I think my beard is class ii civilisation
[01:27] <penguin42> diddledan: Mine just runs on crumbs
[01:27] <daftykins> :>
[01:33] <zmoylan-pi> he'll be back when apple don't do stupid things... he may be some time... :-P
[01:35] <zmoylan-pi> saw my first in the wild apple watch last week.  wow i thought my nuband fitness wearable was ugly...
[01:36] <daftykins> what's funny is standing behind someone that's wearing one on a bus (as i did from a plane flight) - it keeps thinking it's being tilted for a viewing so keeps turning on
[01:37] <penguin42> I didn't think they looked that bad
[01:37] <penguin42> I've started seeing people with the wireless earbuds - those look a little odd; I'm keeping an eye out for when I find the first lost one
[01:38] <daftykins> :>
[01:39] <daftykins> it's ok they can buy little accessories that hang them around their ears if they fall!
[01:40] <penguin42> hmm
[01:41] <daftykins> i'm laughing about that of course, i'd rather a cable any day :>
[01:41] <penguin42> nod
[01:42] <daftykins> i've only once gotten hooked on a plane seat when walking out and been helped by a fellow passenger...
[01:42] <daftykins> ooh reminds me, at some point i need to try and select a more comfortable set of plugs for my Shures
[01:42] <daftykins> maybe i should try one of these funny sets for moulding to my ears :D
[01:53] <zmoylan-pi> i have gotten used to bt headphones for listening to podcasts but then i can't use the fm radio on my phone...
[03:24] <technocf> Sigh. Why is it that I do my best work at such late hours.
[03:27] <zmoylan-pi> no one taps you on shoulder every five minutes and asks what time is it
[03:29] <technocf> zmoylan-pi: Could have something to do with it.
[03:29] <technocf> zmoylan-pi: Doesn't help that my keyboard is so loud though.
[03:30] <daftykins> mechanicals are for glorious typing comfort and occasional self defence
[03:31] <technocf> daftykins: I do love my Daskeyboard.
[03:31] <daftykins> mine started dropping keys but kinda warms up after a few mins in, very odd situation
[03:31] <technocf> To indent or not to indent, that is the question. In LaTeX that is.
[03:36] <zmoylan-pi> you can experiment with cherry keyboards they seem to have models that suit everyone
[03:36] <technocf> I really would like a Happy Hacking keyboard.
[03:36] <zmoylan-pi> but mechanical keyboards all the way... i don't want to have to update the firmware on a keyboard
[03:37] <technocf> zmoylan-pi: "update the firmware on a keyboard" say what?
[03:39] <daftykins> it's real
[03:39] <zmoylan-pi> more and more modern keyboards are now little computers all by themselves https://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/firmware-upgrade--truly-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard
[03:39] <zmoylan-pi> which is just wrong as far as i'm concerned
[03:40] <technocf> Didn't know that was a thing that existed, or even needed to.
[03:41] <daftykins> i remember a few years back that security researcher Moxie had his machine seized at an airport, he dumped it after that as he said 'although nothing appeared tampered with, they could've replaced the keyboard firmware or anything'
[03:41] <technocf> Writing a document and I can't decide on something.  In the context of applying CSS in-line styles to a HTML element which looks the best?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/24378043/
[03:43] <zmoylan-pi> you can use glitter nail polish on screws to see if devices was opened but you'd have to put some sort of tag on the usb cable to see it were connected to something
[03:43] <daftykins> assuming security folk don't have them epoxy filled ;)
[03:43] <technocf> Well then.
[03:44] <daftykins> hmm new Gorillaz stuff seems absolutely pants
[03:44] <technocf> daftykins: Haven't listened to it yet.
[03:44] <technocf> Any ideas on what I posted?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/24378043/
[03:44] <daftykins> i'd have responded the first time if so
[03:45] <technocf> Okay. Sorry. :(
[04:25] <daftykins> bed time methinks
[04:25] <technocf> Goodnight.
[04:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[04:27] <technocf> \o
[05:20] <technocf> Whats the name of notation that is used in javascript for accessing an item at an index.  For example: array[42]
[08:17] <knightwise> Morning :)
[08:33] <foobarry> !ping
[08:58] <knightwise> hey foobarry , lubotu3
[09:01] <foobarry> ciao
[09:01] <foobarry> gonna be quiet in here today
[09:02] <foobarry> i watched rogue one last night. then checked the news to find US had dropped a massive bomb. certain parallels with the film
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:29] <popey> morning
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning
[09:31] <brobostigon> shop is closed today, so no work untill monday. :)
[09:34] <foobarry> doing my finances today. putting statements in folders and looking for a decent ISA etc. anyone done the needful on a good cash iSA?
[09:34] <foobarry> also realised my missis is owed several hundred pounds from HMRC..wonder how many hoops need jumping through for that
[09:35]  * brobostigon sells foobarry some hoops, lol.
[12:15] <diddledan> brobostigon: you're all hoopy froods
[12:16]  * zmoylan-pi pats my towel to make sure it's still there...
[12:17] <brobostigon> :)
[12:18] <penguin42> wasn't there supposed to be a new radio series done at some point soon?
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> i think we have to wait for the universe to provide us another douglas adams ::resumes waiting::
[12:29] <penguin42> perhaps if you feed it a particularly strong cup of tea it'll do it
[12:45] <diddledan> what could I buy for at least £5 off ebay?
[13:12] <diddledan> just ordered a couple ethernet cables - you can never have too many of those
[13:14] <foobarry> usb otg
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> i think we'd need strong tea AND a fairy cake
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> what's the weirdest thing you can get from amazon for £5 #missionImpulsePurchase
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> or ebay rather...
[13:30]  * penguin42 suspects it's best not to ask about weird and ebay, I hate to think
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> how many gallons of mind bleach can £5 get...
[15:56]  * diddledan watches GoT Season 2
[15:57] <diddledan> I still love the intro sequence
[15:58] <diddledan> "stick 'em with the pointy end!"
[16:22] <knightwise> afternoon peepz
[16:23] <diddledan> knightwise: peeping tom?
[16:23]  * diddledan peeps in secret places
[16:38] <daftykins> diddledan: of the pen? oof
[16:50] <knightwise> :)
[17:24] <diddledan> there's an awful lot of naughtiness in GoT
[17:24] <daftykins> no doubt sensational cack to get the ratings
[17:30] <foobarry> watches the new star wars trailer
[17:31] <diddledan> ooh
[17:31] <diddledan> link?
[17:32] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/zB4I68XVPzQ for anyone who wants it
[18:00] <daftykins> ooh i just got sent pics of the holiday apartments here that i can stay in whilst the insurance job is done on my place ; https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ldt1jczy0kucwjp/AADid0iECbA21SWEqXcZhv6la?dl=0
[18:00] <daftykins> seems i'll have a spare bedroom, who wants a free holiday to Guernsey? ;D
[18:06]  * diddledan packs some bags
[18:07] <daftykins> d'aww i'm gonna have to live from a laptop on a shared connection, nasty
[18:07] <diddledan> :-o
[18:07] <daftykins> amusingly it's only about 100m along the road from kitten HQ, though
[18:07] <diddledan> that's terrible! where are you going, backasswardsistan?!
[18:07] <daftykins> heeeey it's still Guernsey :P
[18:08] <daftykins> don't think it'd be wise to move any of my gear just for a month or so
[18:10] <diddledan> best before dates are a pain: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39595966
[18:11] <daftykins> wowzer.
[18:20] <zmoylan-pi> ironically it was al capone that gave us best before dates... http://knowledgenuts.com/2015/05/18/how-al-capone-got-expiration-dates-on-milk-bottles/
[18:43] <diddledan> *sigh* https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/14/ad_blockers_identify_you_to_advertisers/
[18:43] <daftykins> well, it's been discussed for years that your own personal set of addons and plugins reveal your identity in a way too
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> well weren't some adblockers bought by ad networks?
[18:44] <daftykins> it's all about ublock origin
[18:44] <daftykins> don't think so, i think ABP whitelists some ads when paid by advertisers though
[18:44] <diddledan> yeah, it's ABP that was a shill
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> but there is a fork of ublock and one is good and one is not so good...
[18:45] <daftykins> ublock origin is the original dev one
[18:45] <daftykins> nice and lightweight \o/
[18:49] <daftykins> now to pick a holiday pad for my moggy
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> is there a rottweiler farm nearby? :-P
[18:49] <daftykins> if she was a chubby cat that might be a good holiday
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> nah... to teach the dogs their place... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bb/e6/9f/bbe69f0481396c6689a1717d780bd0c3.jpg
[18:52] <daftykins> that almost looks like her too :>
[18:56] <diddledan> <3
[18:57] <daftykins> heh i'll have to ask if they allow visitation for my little prisoner
[19:00] <diddledan> love the sign-off on this article: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/13/ftc_discovers_risks_of_free_movies/
[19:01] <daftykins> =]
[19:02] <daftykins> quite clearly a piece on conservation of water ways
[19:03] <daftykins> i'm tucking into my first easter egg, om nom
[19:05] <diddledan> already?! :-o
[19:05] <daftykins> why not ;D
[19:05] <diddledan> it's not Easter Sunday yet!!!
[19:05] <daftykins> psssh
[19:05] <daftykins> i'm warming up to it!
[19:05]  * zmoylan-pi rings the easter bunny hotline and reports daftykins for reward
[19:06] <diddledan> God hasn't risen from the dead until Sunday!
[19:10] <zmoylan-pi> and the easter egg clearance sales start monday...
[19:10] <diddledan> \o/
[19:10]  * penguin42 generally waits for the clearance sales
[19:10] <penguin42> no point in buying expensive chocolate just because it's got a weird shape
[19:10] <diddledan> they're less holy in the sales though, so you don't get blessed as hard
[19:10] <daftykins> brb Easter Bunny is calling
[19:11] <penguin42> diddledan: So you mean you have to eat more of them to get as blessed?
[19:11] <daftykins> ok i've been banned from all Sunday festivities, thanks zmoylan-pi! ;)
[19:11] <diddledan> unfortunately not, it's an inverse logarithmic scale :-(
[19:12] <penguin42> damn, does it ever wrap?
[19:12] <diddledan> so you never quite get to 100% blessed
[19:12] <zmoylan-pi> maybe if you mainline a melted chocolate egg...
[19:13] <penguin42> diddledan: I feel that I should still be blessed from this haul in last years sale; https://goo.gl/photos/wyKDyFHnpb5pA2Dp6
[19:18] <diddledan> oh my, you didn't say anything about the golden bunnies!!!!!!!!!1!
[19:18]  * diddledan bows
[19:18] <diddledan> my leige
[19:19] <penguin42> diddledan: Alas, they are no more; https://goo.gl/photos/tgjoYxqKYRzizZmKA
[19:20] <diddledan> MURDER!
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> i'll only believe that when i see a pic of penguin42 weight on scale before and after...
[19:20] <penguin42> chocolatey murder
[19:21] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I've got a very controlled diet, it's primary aim is to let me save enough calories elsewhere to eat more chocolate
[19:27] <diddledan> I don't want to upset anyone, but I just asked my computer to do something and it did. Windows Cortana FTW
[19:28] <diddledan> (I asked her to set an alarm for a few minutes time)
[19:30]  * zmoylan-pi inserts advert for winzip into diddledan's file manager...
[19:31]  * diddledan installs winzip
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> i did actually pay for a licence for winzip many moons ago...
[19:56] <diddledan> really? I wasn't aware anyone had ever done that
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> i was using the command line tool version for a daily stacked backup... worked very well... i've never trusted tape backups
[21:29] <daftykins> :) nah horrible technology, tape
[21:30] <diddledan> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/04/nsa-leaking-shadow-brokers-just-dumped-its-most-damaging-release-yet/
[21:30]  * diddledan rewinds his DVD
[21:34] <diddledan> yey for easter night yelling match outside
[21:34] <diddledan> what is it about holidays that make people go outside to yell at each other?
[21:45] <daftykins> oh dear, neighbourly argument or?
[21:47] <diddledan> it seems to have gone quiet. should I pop outside to see if there's a dead body?
[22:09] <daftykins> never heards to confirm ;)
[22:09] <daftykins> er, hurts
[22:10] <daftykins> wow mixed choices and confused fingers result in crazy talk