[00:00] <nacc> selsperr: in any case, not a topic for this channel, talk to runescape abou tit
[00:00] <rrenaud> i am trying to get a video capture card to work with obs studio in ubuntu 14.4, lsusb shows the device name, but it seems like there is no capture source showing up in the obs software
[00:00] <selsperr> ahhh good idea!
[00:00] <selsperr> ty
[00:00] <jaydemir> sup
[00:01] <rrenaud> i am not sure how to figure out what is going on
[00:01] <rrenaud> maybe i need some device specific drivers?
[00:02] <tachikomas> pavlos: it's like systemd have somes uuid in memory, and try to mount them... but even in fstab, no thing about that.
[00:02] <reubenabrams> rrenaud: What's the video capture card's make and model, please?
[00:02] <tomreyn> rrenaud: possibly. which devide do you have there, what does lsusb say?
[00:02] <tomreyn> *device
[00:02] <rrenaud> AVerMedia AVerCapture HD
[00:02] <pavlos> tachikomas: yes, it refers to cryptswap1 from your recent pastebin
[00:03] <selsperr> Can you put shortcuts on desktop in ubuntu?
[00:03] <rrenaud> lsusb sees the device, Bus 001 Device 009: ID 07ca:c835 AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
[00:03] <tachikomas> pavlos: but, i never use any cryptswap... :/
[00:03] <jaydemir> anyone running 17.04?
[00:03] <pavlos> tachikomas: very strange ...
[00:03] <tachikomas> Do you know where can be this startup config ?
[00:04] <rrenaud> dmesg has this output
[00:04] <rrenaud> [ 1193.230156] usb 1-6: Product: Aver_C835_USB
[00:05] <uxfi> hi tachikomas
[00:05] <tachikomas> hi uxfi
[00:05] <pavlos> tachikomas: check your /etc/fstab and -if exists- /etc/crypttab
[00:06] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | jaydemir
[00:06] <tachikomas> -_-
[00:06] <tachikomas> i will rtfm
[00:06] <tomreyn> whoops, i missed a release
[00:06] <tachikomas> crypttab exist...
[00:06] <tachikomas> with this uudi
[00:06] <tomreyn> jaydemir: ignore ubottu this time
[00:06] <tachikomas> i just delete it ?
[00:07] <jaydemir> I'm just curious
[00:08] <pavlos> tachikomas: comment them out ... seems in the past there were 2 swap or something like that
[00:09] <tachikomas> its very strange.. the mount point of this cryptoswap is /dev/urandom.
[00:09] <pavlos> tachikomas: your fstab should match the uuid(s) from the lsblk -f
[00:09] <tachikomas> still hapening : dev-disk-by\x2duuid-d1a65800\x2dae36\x2d4286\x2d8879\x2dbc2e1d09d11d.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-d1a65800\x2dae36\x2d4286\x2d8879\x2dbc2e1d09d11d.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
[00:10] <tachikomas> does i need to reboot to take the change ?
[00:10] <tachikomas> pavlos: is it better to use uuid? or absolute path ?
[00:10] <pavlos> tachikomas: better to use uuid
[00:10] <AndChat|317009> so shuttleworth eh?
[00:11] <reubenabrams> rrenaud, I've looked online & there's a dearth of information on this topic
[00:11] <reubenabrams> tachikomas, that's how the key gets randomized. Each time the computer reboot, the encrypted swap uses a random key. I forget the details.
[00:12] <tachikomas> thanks reubenabrams
[00:12] <pavlos> tachikomas: if you can reboot, try it ...
[00:12] <tachikomas> i reboot and get back to tell you :)
[00:13] <reubenabrams> AndChat|317009, huzzah for Politics
[00:13] <AndChat|317009> is ubuntu in jeopardy?
[00:14] <tachikomas> huh.. work perfectly
[00:14] <reubenabrams> AndChat|317009, I can't say that I see any evidence of that.
[00:14] <AndChat|317009> canonical laid off a buttload of devs
[00:14] <reubenabrams> AndChat|317009, remember -- in Linux, as in academia, sometimes the fights are especially passionate when the stake are\ low.
[00:14] <selsperr> how do I check if there are graphics drivers installed?
[00:14] <opsearcher> switched from unity to gnome.  like it.
[00:16] <selsperr> i try google first
[00:16] <reubenabrams> Aside from poor configuration, is there an obvious reason why a single-board computer (SBC) can share its wifi connection with other computers via the SBC's Ethernet inteface but not its USB interface?
[00:17] <tachikomas> a last question about systemd.. i see somes broken ln in my /etc/systemd/system/ like dbus-org.freedesktop.thermald.service
[00:18] <tachikomas> is it a real problem ? or maybe something that will be removed ?
[00:20] <pavlos> tachikomas: maybe you can disable that service
[00:20] <durt> hey folks, just upgraded to 17.04 and lost my second monitor, display settings and Nvidia settings just don't even see it. lsmod doesn't tell me what module I'm running. Xorg.0.log gives me nvidia, neuvoue, and vesa! What the F?
[00:21] <reubenabrams> tachikomas,  try # systemctl disable thermald; systmectl enable thermald; systemctl restart thermald; systemctl status thermald
[00:21] <reubenabrams> tachikomas, if you aren't worried about monitoring or controlling the temperature of your CPU(s), I wouldn't worry about it.
[00:23] <tachikomas> reubenabrams: Failed to restart thermald.service: Unit thermald.service is masked.
[00:23] <tachikomas> i am worried about it, because i use my computer in extreme environment (sometime +40C)
[00:23] <tachikomas> So if it can help just a little bit :/
[00:24] <reubenabrams> tachikomas, when you run 'systemctl status thermald', does it say that the service is running OK?
[00:24] <reubenabrams> oh
[00:24] <reubenabrams> hmm
[00:25] <tachikomas>  Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad)
[00:25] <tachikomas>    Active: inactive (dead)
[00:25] <tachikomas> :'(
[00:25] <reubenabrams> How about 'systemctl list-unit-files --type=service | grep -i thermald'
[00:26] <reubenabrams> Hang on. Is the thermald package actually installed?
[00:26] <tachikomas> ... idk ? it's not installed with the system ?
[00:27] <Dalek_Breath> What does "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" in dmesg mean? this pops up durng boot up...
[00:27] <tachikomas> ok. Need to sleep. thermald not installed.
[00:27] <reubenabrams> ah
[00:27] <tachikomas> thanks a LOT for all your help everyone :)
[00:27] <reubenabrams> np :)
[00:27] <pavlos> tachikomas: np
[00:28] <tachikomas> See you :)
[00:28] <reubenabrams> Aside from poor configuration, is there an obvious reason why a single-board computer (SBC) can share its wifi connection with other computers via the SBC's Ethernet inteface but not its USB interface? Is there something different about Ethernet-over-USB versus regular Ethernet?
[00:30] <tomreyn> rrenaud: there seem to be no drivers available for this piece of hardware you have there
[00:32] <OERIAS> anyone here managed to install Ubuntu with Secured Boot?
[00:37] <Bashing-om> durt: The release-upgrade broke the proprietary driver . Purge and re-install the nVidia driver .
[00:38] <durt> Bashing-om, okie-dokie, any clue which module from lsmod is the video driver I'm currently running?
[00:40] <Bashing-om> durt: durt the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you - and what is not going on .
[00:43] <durt> Bashing-om, Ya, xorg.0.log says nvidia,nouvaue(sp?), and vesa, so I'm guessing it's just a generic driver that doesn't show in lsmod... ah well, time to re-install 340 or whatever it is now. Thanks.
[00:43] <waltman> Bashing-om: Thanks. I'm expecting to have the same problem once my install finishes.
[00:44] <Dalek_Breath> what does usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 mean?
[00:46] <Bashing-om> waltman: Yeah .. one can expect that ... a Nvidia driver is non-ubuntu :)
[00:47] <waltman> Nod
[00:47] <Bashing-om> durt: Quick and clean ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[00:48] <utopic> Yo
[00:48] <durt> Bashing-om, cool, thx
[00:48] <waltman> I just kicked off the update and then I thought, damn, I bet this is going to break the nvidia driver.
[00:48] <waltman> I only have one monitor, but maybe it'll break some other way!
[00:52] <byte> hi
[00:52] <byte> which is the best ubuntu based distro
[00:52] <byte> what do you think?
[00:53] <Bashing-om> waltman: Oh It is going to break as the driver is built on that old kernel . now ya got to re-build on the new .
[00:53] <wedgie> in #ubuntu we tend to think that ubuntu is the best ubuntu distro
[00:53] <Bashing-om> !best | byte
[00:54] <waltman> Bashing-om: yeah, that broke all the time. Someone kindly packaged it and I started using tha almost immediately.
[00:55] <waltman> I'm a little disappointed it doesn't have mutt 1.8
[00:57] <gredjok> is there a whois command from the cli? I want to know whatinfo I get from an ip
[00:58] <PipeItToDevNull> whois is the command
[00:59] <tangerinetoupee> butterthebuddha, I salute your inventive ID.
[01:00] <gredjok> nice
[01:10] <transhuman_> hi I have kvm installed on a centos host with a Ubuntu guest, when I signal from the host to do an acpid shutdown (shutdown of host) the guest pops up with a screen to select the type of shutdown it should do, how do I avoid this screen from appearing (causes guest to eventually time out and crash instead of shutting down gracefully) thanks in advance
[01:12] <Dalek_Breath> this computer takes forever to boot up and I don't know where to start looking for the cause of the problem
[01:13] <YankDownUnder> Dalek_Breath: Has this issue "always been" - or is it a new issue?
[01:14] <wedgie> Dalek_Breath: systemd-analyze blame    is a good place to start
[01:14] <Bashing-om> Dalek_Breath: ^ explained here : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/systemd-blame.html .
[01:15] <Kobaz> http://geeknizer.com/sync-iphone-linux/  this seems a little out of date... anyone have something newer?
[01:17] <YankDownUnder> Kobaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[01:19] <Kobaz> mmm
[01:19] <Kobaz> YankDownUnder: all this stuff is related to music.. what about getting to the usb-storage
[01:20] <Kobaz> there's nothing in dmesg that it's detected any usb-storage
[01:20] <Ham62> I've been trying to set up a network bridge on my server so I can connect another PC through it on a second ethernet card to my network but nothing is working on it, I'm running Ubuntu Server 14.04
[01:21] <Ham62> so I'm trying to use brctl to create the bridge and if I do 'brctl addbr' it says 'Usage: brctl addbr <bridge>             add bridge', that's all fine and dandy
[01:21] <Kobaz> Ham62: basically you need bridge-utils, two network interfaces
[01:21] <Kobaz> yeah
[01:21] <YankDownUnder> Kobaz: https://askubuntu.com/questions/799414/how-to-move-files-from-ubuntu-to-iphone [01:22] <Ham62> but now if I do brctl addbr br0 it says add bridge failed: Package not installed
[01:22] <Kobaz> and then set 0.0.0.0 as the ips for eth0/eth1 and whatever you're bridging
[01:22] <Kobaz> oh, install bridge-utils
[01:22] <Ham62> how did the command just run if it's not installed...
[01:22] <Ham62> and I did have it installed, I was just using it earlier
[01:22] <Ham62> then rebooted the system
[01:22] <Kobaz> Ham62: it's an alias that runs for uninstalled apps
[01:23] <Ham62> I never removed it though
[01:23] <Kobaz> er, probably not aliases, but little shell scripts
[01:23] <Kobaz> dpkg -l | grep bridge
[01:23] <Ham62> so now I need to install it a second time?
[01:24] <Ham62> ii  bridge-utils                         1.5-6ubuntu2    ||     i386         Utilities for configuring the Linux Ethernet bridge
[01:24] <Kobaz> okay that's good
[01:24] <Kobaz> brctl show
[01:24] <Ham62> it's an empty table
[01:25] <Ham62> just bridge name     bridge id               STP enabled     interfaces
[01:25] <Kobaz> okay, so it's installed
[01:25] <Kobaz> and running the right app
[01:25] <Kobaz> addbr br0
[01:25] <Kobaz> brctl addbr br0
[01:25] <Ham62> still says package not installed
[01:26] <Kobaz> strace brctl addbr br0 &> /tmp/out
[01:26] <Kobaz> and then pastebin that
[01:26] <Ham62> and I don't know if this has anything to do with it but when I rebooted it ran fsck then dumped back into grub and I had to select ubuntu to boot the system
[01:26] <Kobaz> that's unrelated
[01:27] <bob123> So,  I'm having a bug on a clean-install VM when trying to `apt-get install openjdk-9-jdk`
[01:27] <Ham62> https://pastebin.com/y3cUbm5b
[01:27] <bob123> paste incoming
[01:28] <bob123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24377562/
[01:29] <bob123> This blocks and results in a hard-to-clear error that doesn't react to normal purge commands.
[01:30] <bob123> Anyway, I just felt it would be the decent thing to report it.
[01:30] <cehwedrec> hi, why isn't 17.04 an LTS?
[01:30] <Kobaz> Ham62: there's gotta be something else going on
[01:30] <cehwedrec> aren't .04s always LTS?
[01:30] <wedgie> cehwedrec: because 16.04 was and that was only 1 year ago
[01:30] <wedgie> cehwedrec: no, every 2 years
[01:30] <Kobaz> Ham62: redo the strace with -f
[01:31] <Kobaz> strace -f brctl addbr br0 &> /tmp/out
[01:31] <cehwedrec> so 18.04 is the next LTS?
[01:31] <wedgie> correct
[01:31] <Kobaz> i dont see any forks, but there's thread stuff in there
[01:31] <Kobaz> oh that's from the ioctl
[01:31] <cehwedrec> does anyone know if they finally fixed everything regarding services management in 17.04?
[01:31] <Kobaz> ioctl(3, SIOCBRADDBR, 0xbf9838e0)       = -1 ENOPKG (Package not installed)
[01:31] <Kobaz> okay, yeah -f wont give us anything new
[01:31] <cehwedrec> up till now, systemctl wouldn't successfully work for every service
[01:31] <wedgie> cehwedrec: what was broken?
[01:32] <Ham62> Kobaz: https://pastebin.com/zJCsHKB4
[01:32] <cehwedrec> i had to use sudo service
[01:32] <cehwedrec> for some
[01:32] <cehwedrec> when will ubuntu finally drop everything else if they haven't in 17.04, does anyone know?
[01:33] <cehwedrec> by everything else i mean everything except systemd's mechanisms for controlling services
[01:33] <YankDownUnder> cehwedrec: If you truly want to know, you might want to ask the devs...
[01:34] <Kobaz> Ham62: what network card?
[01:35] <Ham62> pretty sure it's a D-Link 530TX
[01:35] <cehwedrec> YankDownUnder: what would be the best way to do that?
[01:36] <Kobaz> that should have no problems bridging, okay
[01:36] <YankDownUnder> cehwedrec: Join one of the dev channels. Bear in mind you might be ignored or worst - kicked. Most would look on the question as "lack of ambition to read through the news and documentation provided for on the primary web site)
[01:36] <Kobaz> Ham62: next: lsmod | grep bridge
[01:36] <Ham62> that's the one I'm trying to connect the second system on with a crossover cable, the one that's on the network is whatever's built in on the motherboard
[01:37] <cehwedrec> well i haven't found any information regarding this
[01:37] <Ham62> ok
[01:39] <Kobaz> Ham62: if it's not loaded, modprobe bridge, try your brctl again
[01:40] <Ham62> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:556 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.13.0-116-generic/modules.dep.bin'
[01:40] <Kobaz> Ham62: depmod -a
[01:40] <Kobaz> Ham62: then try modprobe again
[01:40] <Ham62> depmod: ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.13.0-116-generic: No such file or directory
[01:40] <Ham62> depmod: FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
[01:40] <YankDownUnder> cehwedrec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases => and dig the links further...
[01:41] <Kobaz> 3.13, oh dear that's a bit old
[01:41] <Kobaz> not super old, but... old
[01:41] <Ham62> I don't know why it's doing this, I never had issues until I tried doing the bridge
[01:42] <Kobaz> Ham62: you're missing bridge.ko
[01:42] <Ham62> what's that
[01:42] <Kobaz> Ham62: apt-cache search linux-image | grep extra
[01:42] <Kobaz> install the matching package for 3.13
[01:42] <Kobaz> Ham62: it's the kernel driver for ethernet bridging
[01:43] <Ham62> that's a lot of output
[01:43] <Ham62> hold on, pastebin incoming
[01:43] <Kobaz> it shouldn't be more than like 10-15 lines
[01:43] <wedgie> Ham62: is your box actually using 3.13, or have you updated the HWE?
[01:43] <Ham62> Kobaz: it's 180 lines
[01:43] <Ham62> https://pastebin.com/agRNf8gx
[01:44] <Kobaz> wedgie:  depmod/modprobe are going to use your current kernel version unless you have special stuff going on
[01:44] <Ham62> it shouldn't have anything special going on, I never did anything fancy
[01:44] <Ham62> just been running nginx for the last 3 years
[01:45] <Kobaz> Ham62: ah, right, the sub versions
[01:45] <Kobaz> Ham62: yeah, and of course there's no package matching 3.13.0-116
[01:45] <Kobaz> if you don't mind upgrading, you can swap to something newer
[01:45] <cehwedrec> crickets chirping in the dev channel
[01:46] <Ham62> I dunno how well that would go, it was kind of hard getting the system going initially
[01:46] <YankDownUnder> cehwedrec: If you wish to find an answer, patience is your best tool.
[01:46] <Kobaz> so basically you're stuck without the kernel module
[01:46] <Ham62> the only upgrades I've done were through apt-get update and apt-get upgrade in the paste
[01:46] <Ham62> past*
[01:46] <Kobaz> so, make backups, pray, and hope for the best
[01:47] <Kobaz> and apt install linux-image-4.4.0-xxx
[01:47] <Kobaz> looks like the latest there is -71
[01:47] <Ham62> but I'm confused, why do I have these on the system if it was never installed in an update?
[01:47] <Kobaz> they are available packages
[01:47] <Ham62> does it just download every revision of the kernel but not do anything?
[01:47] <Kobaz> it's not installed/downloaded necessarily
[01:48] <Kobaz> grub will give you the options for previous kernels if you have problems booting 4.4
[01:48] <Ham62> ok
[01:48] <Ham62> will this upgrade cause any issues with software I have installed or any hardware or anything?
[01:49] <Kobaz> maybe
[01:49] <Kobaz> it depends what you have
[01:49] <Kobaz> but generally kernel upgrades are fairly safe, it helps to know what you're doing though
[01:49] <Ham62> I have no idea what I'm doing .-.
[01:50] <Kobaz> what hardware do you have?
[01:50] <Kobaz> anything not completely basic?
[01:50] <Ham62> it's an Athlon XP system with 2GB RAM, 40GB IDE drive
[01:50] <Kobaz> like a webcam, or i dunno, video capture device
[01:50] <Ham62> no
[01:50] <Kobaz> haha xp, niiice
[01:50] <Kobaz> i have one of those on a shelf
[01:50] <Kobaz> i built a ton of those for linux boxes
[01:51] <Kobaz> you should be fine then
[01:51] <Ham62> ok
[01:51] <s3qrk> Hey, I just installed ubuntu 17.04 and I want to get started with docker, can anyone guide me on how to install it? there's now official guide for zesty
[01:51] <s3qrk> *no
[01:51] <Kobaz> kernel upgrades can and will break specialized hardware support
[01:51] <Kobaz> but your normal bare bones system with vga and ethernet, you'll be fine
[01:52] <Ham62> ok, so I'll try the upgrade then
[01:52] <Kobaz> Ham62: you learn the most when things dont work
[01:52] <Kobaz> it should be fine
[01:52] <Kobaz> but if it's not, break out the rescue cd
[01:53] <Kobaz> and then you'll also want to install the -extras package
[01:53] <Kobaz> for that kernel version
[01:53] <Kobaz> so it comes with the modules (ie: bridge)
[01:53] <Ham62> well nothing has every really worked for me so far on Linux, everything keeps breaking, figured I should ask about this one instead of give up though because it keeps breaking in a way that's dropping network and causing the system to hang when it doesn't work
[01:53] <Kobaz> Ham62: sounds like a kernel bug
[01:54] <Ham62> so when I do the upgrade should I do it through SSH or hop over to my KVM and do it locally
[01:54] <Kobaz> Ham62: it could be crappy hardware on the motherboard too. (VERY common on older atx boards)
[01:54] <Kobaz> either way
[01:54] <Kobaz> upgrade either way will do the same thing
[01:54] <Kobaz> just be able to get local access if it doesn't boot
[01:54] <Ham62> ok
[01:55] <Kobaz> certain kernel versions (and sometimes an entire series) have some showstopper ethernet issues
[01:55] <Kobaz> i can't tell you offhand which, you basically run the box long enough until it locks up or it keeps working, and then you know
[01:56] <Ham62> ok
[01:56] <Kobaz> and it all depends on the card as well
[01:56] <Ham62> well I know before I got over 230 days uptime
[01:56] <Ham62> then a power outage lol
[01:57] <Ham62> but you say it's possible for the card to cause issues, I had an intel ethernet card installed at one point but it was hanging a lot, so I removed it and now it's a bit better
[01:57] <Ham62> is it possible the drivers for these D-Link ones could also be causing the hangs still?
[01:57] <Kobaz> anything is possible
[01:58] <Kobaz> without diving into a debugger and all that. it's hard to tell
[01:58] <Kobaz> basically the best thing at this point is upgrade, see if the problems persist
[01:58] <Kobaz> if it keeps on, then pop in a pci card
[01:58] <Kobaz> 3com's work grea
[01:58] <Kobaz> i have a stack of them if you need any
[01:58] <Kobaz> pay for shipping and i'll send you 10 pci 10/100 cards
[01:58] <Ham62> well the two PCI cards I have now are those dlink ones
[01:58] <Kobaz> and i have some dlink's too
[01:59] <Ham62> I have a bunch of those, like 5 in the box on my shelf
[01:59] <Kobaz> never had any serious issues with dlink on linux personally
[01:59] <Ham62> these 2 were just pulled from donated ones
[01:59] <Ham62> donated systems*
[01:59] <Ham62> ok so it looks like it installed, reboot time I guess
[02:00] <Kobaz> have fun
[02:00] <AtomicBomb> hi
[02:01] <Ham62> ok awesome, restarted good
[02:02] <Ham62> oh wait what
[02:02] <Ham62> it still says I'm running kernel version i686 Linux 3.13.0-116-generic
[02:03] <Kobaz> Ham62: uname -a
[02:03] <Kobaz> oh
[02:03] <Ham62> I selected Ubuntu* at the grub menu
[02:03] <Kobaz> what did it say when grub popped
[02:03] <Ham62> the first one on the list
[02:03] <Kobaz> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[02:04] <Ham62> https://pastebin.com/DAYrgFVv
[02:04] <Kobaz> woah
[02:05] <Kobaz> that's all your installed stuff
[02:05] <Ham62> o_O
[02:05] <Kobaz> run: update-grub
[02:05] <cfhowlett> WAY past time to clean that out!
[02:05] <Kobaz> you can pastebin that
[02:06] <Ham62> hm.. so was apt-get upgrade installing these, but not updating grub
[02:06] <Kobaz> Ham62: well some of it's not actually installed, a nubmer of those are 'rc', which just leaves metadata and configs
[02:06] <Ham62> OR cleaning up older ones?
[02:06] <Kobaz> that's just stuff left over from previous installs
[02:06] <Ham62> I never reinstalled once
[02:06] <Kobaz> upgrades/etc
[02:06] <Kobaz> package installs
[02:07] <Ham62> https://pastebin.com/DJqgvCJ1
[02:07] <Kobaz> that looks good
[02:07] <Kobaz> you should see 4.4 next time you boot
[02:07] <Kobaz> and that should be the default
[02:07] <Ham62> ok, lets try it then
[02:09] <Ham62> heh, just got a message my Hardware Enablement Stack will be supported until 2019?
[02:09] <Kobaz> stuff changes all the time
[02:11] <Ham62> still on 3.13
[02:11] <Kobaz> that's strange
[02:11] <Ham62> I got a picture of grub before booting though
[02:11] <Kobaz> okay, next boot
[02:11] <Kobaz> go into the sub menu for like the other options
[02:11] <Ham62> it didn't look different than before
[02:11] <Kobaz> i forgot what it looks like
[02:11] <Kobaz> there's like an advanced thingee
[02:11] <Kobaz> and then you should see all your different kernel versions
[02:12] <Ham62> could be an issue, grub disappeared before I selected anything
[02:12] <Kobaz> oh okay
[02:12] <Kobaz> increase the timeout
[02:13] <BurnTheBanks> What in tarnation
[02:13] <Ham62> ok so in "advanced options for ubuntu"
[02:13] <Ham62> I see lots of revisions of 3.13
[02:13] <Kobaz> yeah, boot 4.4.0
[02:13] <Ham62> but nothing else
[02:13] <Kobaz> aw, wtf
[02:14] <Kobaz> okay, so boot, and pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:15] <Ham62> what's the best way to copy a file to pastebin
[02:15] <Kobaz> oh
[02:15] <Ham62> I was doing it one screen at a time in nano
[02:15] <Ham62> this one is over 800 lines
[02:15] <Kobaz> i usually do like select all
[02:15] <Kobaz> and then paste
[02:15] <cfhowlett> Ham62, run the command and add      |pastebin at the end
[02:16] <Ham62> oh wait
[02:16] <cfhowlett> Ham62, to more filename.txt | pastebinit
[02:16] <Ham62> I can just copy it to my downloads directory and link you the file
[02:16] <Kobaz> hah
[02:16] <Kobaz> that works too
[02:16] <Kobaz> pastebinit is nifty
[02:17] <zwischenzug> hello.  i just upgraded from 14.04 -> 16.04 running in virtualbox.  i boot, and get taken straight to a terminal and can't startx.  "unable to connect to x server, connection refused"...it says.  not sure where to start fixing this.  anyone have any ideas?
[02:17] <Ham62> http://downloads.grahamdowney.com/grub.cfg.txt
[02:18] <zwischenzug> also says "module ABI major version (15) doesn't match the server's version (20)"
[02:19] <Kobaz> so your first option is 4.4.0
[02:19] <Kobaz> this is a grub2 config file
[02:19] <Kobaz> your boot loader might be grub1
[02:19] <waltman> During the update to 17.04 I found a bug in the apcupsd installer that I'd like to report, but I can't figure out how to do it.
[02:19] <waltman> Where do I report a bug against a package?
[02:19] <Kobaz> Ham62:  do you have a /etc/grub/menu.lst
[02:19] <Ham62> no it says grub 2.02 beta 2 on start
[02:20] <cfhowlett> !bug | waltman
[02:20] <Kobaz> Ham62: okay that's good
[02:20] <Ham62> I don't have a file at  /etc/grub/menu.lst
[02:21] <Kobaz> okay so umm
[02:21] <Kobaz> it sounds like the normak /etc/grub/grub.cfg isn't being read by your loader, and it's running something else
[02:21] <Kobaz> because your current grub.cfg clearly has 4.4.0 as the first entry
[02:21] <waltman> ubottu: I've done that, but I don't see where I enter what the actual bug is.
[02:22] <waltman> Oh, I do that AFTER hitting send?
[02:23] <Ham62> I installed a second hard drive recently because I thought the master was failing
[02:23] <Kobaz> oooo
[02:23] <Kobaz> yeah
[02:23] <Ham62> so I did a dd clone of it to the slave one
[02:23] <Kobaz> you're loading grub off another drive them
[02:23] <Kobaz> that explains it
[02:23] <Kobaz> *then
[02:24] <Ham62> but never did the switch because I'm pretty sure it was the ethernet card not the hard drive failing
[02:24] <Ham62> I set that other drive as slave though
[02:24] <Ham62> it shouldn't be booting...
[02:24] <Ham62> unless the jumpers are wrong
[02:24] <Ham62> it couldn't boot, that was a blank drive before
[02:24] <Kobaz> it might be 'blank'
[02:25] <Kobaz> but there's a loader in there on the boot sector, unless you wiped it, like with dd
[02:25] <Ham62> yeah it had XP on it before, I for sure didn't do the backup with XP lol
[02:26] <Ham62> should I pull the new drive's power?
[02:26] <Ham62> see if that helps?
[02:26] <Kobaz> yeah give that a go
[02:27] <Ham62> I never understood a *nix filesystem with multiple drives so that's why I kept it a single drive thing for so long
[02:28] <Ham62|P3> oh yeah, shutdown from the command line doesn't shut it down, just puts it in "single user mode", is that supposed to happen?
[02:29] <Kobaz> um
[02:29] <Kobaz> that's odd
[02:29] <Kobaz> did you like pull the power while the machine was running?
[02:29] <Ham62|P3> no, it's had a few power outages though
[02:30] <waterpole> how do i change the irssi theme?
[02:30] <Ham62|P3> I just remember it's always done this, never understood why
[02:30] <Kobaz> multiple drives in linux... you'll put them in different paths
[02:30] <Ham62|P3> so I press the physical power button and get a clean shut down
[02:30] <Kobaz> so like, drive 2 would be /media/drive2
[02:30] <Kobaz> or whatever
[02:30] <Ham62|P3> ok
[02:30] <Kobaz> or if you wanted a separate drive for home
[02:30] <Kobaz> it would get mounted under /home
[02:30] <Kobaz> in that case, / and everthing else is drive1, and then /home is drive2
[02:31] <Kobaz> think of it as adding rooms in a house
[02:31] <Kobaz> versus buying a new house
[02:31] <Kobaz> c: d: e: in windows, each drive is a new house
[02:31] <Ham62|P3> ooh, ok I get it
[02:32] <Kobaz> shutdown going into single user mode has to do with /etc/inittab and what you have set up in /etc/rc1.d (or whatever runlevel that shutdown is putting you into)
[02:32] <sachina> Hello, I am new to ubuntu. I wanted to learn php so I installed php, however the storage location of the files is at /vat/www/html, its not easy for me to practice as I need root access everytime I have to edit files. Is there any easy way to do this?
[02:33] <Ham62|P3> ok, now on just the single 40GB drive again
[02:34] <Ham62|P3> so now what do I need to edit to get grub to see kernel version 4?
[02:34] <Kobaz> sachina: chown /var/www/html to your local user
[02:34] <Kobaz> sachina: or use setfacl
[02:34] <Kobaz> and give your normal user permission to the path
[02:35] <Kobaz> /usr/bin/setfacl -R -d -m "u:youruser:rwx" /var/www/html; /usr/bin/setfacl -R -m "u:youruser:rwx" /var/www/html;
[02:36] <Ham62|P3>  /etc/grub/grub.cgf right
[02:36] <Kobaz> cfg
[02:36] <Kobaz> short for config
[02:36] <Ham62|P3> yeah oops typo
[02:37] <Ham62|P3> says file not found
[02:37] <cfhowlett> Ham62|P3, cfg not cgf
[02:37] <Ham62|P3> yeah
[02:37] <Ham62|P3> well not even /etc/grub is showing up
[02:37] <Kobaz> sooo
[02:37] <Ham62|P3> ls /etc/grub shows no file or directory
[02:37] <Kobaz> your drive2 has that stuff then
[02:38] <Ham62|P3> o_O
[02:38] <Kobaz> how badly do you care about your current setup?
[02:38] <Kobaz> here's the thing
[02:38] <Kobaz> it's all fixable
[02:38] <Kobaz> everything in linux is fixable
[02:38] <Kobaz> it depends upon how much time you want to spend
[02:39] <Kobaz> enough stuff is a little wonky that you might be better off just downloading something newer and installing
[02:39] <Kobaz> even the latest 17 should support your box just fine
[02:40] <Ham62> so you think a reinstall is the best option?
[02:40] <Kobaz> the 'best' option is in the eye of the beholder
[02:40] <Kobaz> me personally, i would fix it
[02:40] <Ham62> I don't want to lose all my nginx files and website data and stuff
[02:40] <Kobaz> if i had local access to the box, i could probably do it in 10-20 minutes
[02:40] <Ham62> I don't know how much is broken though exactly
[02:40] <Kobaz> over irc, you're probably looking at another hour or more
[02:41] <Ham62> like everything I got working on here was through trying to follow online tutorials
[02:41] <Kobaz> yeah
[02:41] <Kobaz> i'm a huge fan of learning what's broken
[02:41] <Kobaz> fixing it
[02:41] <Kobaz> and then adding it to the toolbox for the next time you see this issue
[02:41] <Kobaz> that's seriously how i know all this crap
[02:41] <Kobaz> 20 years of, whoops it's broke, now i need to fix it
[02:42] <Kobaz> and i refused to go the reinstall route
[02:42] <Ham62> well if I could fix it as it is that would be great
[02:42] <Ham62> I just don't want to bother you guys with too much stuff if it's really that bad
[02:42] <Kobaz> it's not terrible, it's just a bunch of little things
[02:42] <Kobaz> i gotta go pass out soon too
[02:42] <Kobaz>  but
[02:42] <Kobaz> what's in your /etc/fstab
[02:44] <Ham62> UUID=171ad6d1-60d7-4ed2-9473-06b7d843013f /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:44] <Ham62> UUID=850bc12d-fc84-49da-a539-9117e49cec2d none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:44] <Kobaz> asdf
[02:45] <Kobaz> so your etc/grub is gone after popping out drive 2
[02:45] <Kobaz> and it's not a mount point
[02:45] <Ham62> so doing the dd and running without touching the second drive
[02:45] <Ham62> somehow merged the two filesystems?
[02:45] <Kobaz> no
[02:47] <Kobaz> not sure where etc/grub went, that's still an oddity
[02:47] <Kobaz> what did grub say when you booted, did it still say 2,2?
[02:49] <Ham62> yeah I think so
[02:49] <Ham62> I'll be right back, hang on
[02:49] <Bashing-om> Ham62: Kobaz :: To know where grub's file are :
[02:49] <thereyougo> can ubottu resolve youtube links ? like get title and other information ?
[02:49] <Bashing-om>  ' sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ' .
[02:51] <Kobaz> Bashing-om: the odd thing is that his second drive is offline, and he's booted successfully, without having /boot/grub
[02:52] <Kobaz> so, that config is coming from somewhere
[02:55] <Ham62> ok back
[02:55] <thereyougo> was toilet paper  soft
[02:55] <Ham62> oh wait
[02:55] <Ham62> why were we looking in /etc/grub
[02:56] <Kobaz>  boot
[02:56] <Ham62> ok yes I have /boot/grub file
[02:56] <Kobaz> oh
[02:56] <Kobaz> haha
[02:56] <Kobaz> of course you do
[02:56] <Kobaz> er
[02:56] <Kobaz> whoops
[02:56] <Ham62> I dunno where /etc came from lol
[02:56] <Kobaz> yeah i gave you the wrong path
[02:57] <cfhowlett> thereyougo, no ubottu will not resolve YT  links.  it's for ubuntu info not random urls
[02:57] <Ham62> ok, so same link as before, the updated one
[02:57] <Kobaz> why did that happen?
[02:57] <Kobaz> rate limiting?
[02:57] <Ham62> looks like it doesn't have the 4.4 reference in it
[02:58] <Ham62> so installing the new kernel updated the file on the non-boot drive :D
[02:58] <Kobaz> yeah
[02:58] <Ham62> so maybe to go back and install the new kernel again is good
[02:58] <Kobaz> okay so
[02:59] <Kobaz> update-grub again
[02:59] <Kobaz> you must have been booting off your other drive, and your other drive was mounting root (or boot) on that drive as well
[03:00] <Ham62> https://pastebin.com/tD4sindq
[03:00] <Ham62> so the new kernel was installed on that other drive
[03:00] <Kobaz> makes sense
[03:01] <Kobaz> yeah okay so, apt-cache search linux-image | grep 4.4
[03:01] <Kobaz> install the image and the extras, update-grub, and then reboot
[03:01] <quidnunc> I installed 17.04 and now can't play sound. pavucontrol only shows "digital output" when the correct output should be analog. How can I fix?
[03:01] <quidnunc> I read !sound
[03:01] <quidnunc> and the sound troubleshooting page
[03:04] <Ham62> estimated time to download is about 15 minutes for the updated version
[03:04] <Ham62> 4.4.0-72
[03:04] <Kobaz> k
[03:10] <Kobaz> the faster version would have been to mount the other drive real quick, grab the kernel packages from /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:10] <Kobaz> copy it over
[03:11] <Ham62> hm... yeah
[03:11] <Ham62> who knows what other files were being mounted from the different drives though
[03:12] <Ham62> maybe that's what part of the issue was, I remember when I first put in the second drive after doing the dd it would randomly start and have a bunch of issues then on a reboot would work again
[03:13] <Ham62> like at one point it said the whole filesystem was read only and wouldn't start any services because they couldn't use temp files and after a reboot worked again
[03:13] <Kobaz> Ham62: yeah sounds like you were alternating booting off one than the other
[03:13] <Kobaz> which i'm sure is very confusing, because you'll fix issues and then have them again when you boot off the other drive
[03:13] <Ham62> yeah
[03:13] <Kobaz> there's a reason for everything
[03:14] <Kobaz> it's not like windows where stuff breaks and it's like, well, let's reboot
[03:14] <Dalek_Breath> What is speech-dispatcher.service for?
[03:14] <Kobaz> generally, rebooting should be the last option, because there's very specific reasons your stuff isn't working, and it's best to fix them before you reboot
[03:15] <Ham62> most of the reboots were forced from a hang but yeah
[03:15] <Ham62> I don't like rebooting, one thing I like about Linux is you're supposed to be able to start and stop services to update config files
[03:15] <Ham62> without rebooting
[03:16] <Kobaz> yeap
[03:16] <tekeli-li> Where may I share the snapshot I took to document the question I intend to ask? I know paste.ubuntu.com is for text.
[03:16] <Kobaz> stick with it a few more years, and dive deep into things when you can, you'll learn a lot
[03:16] <cfhowlett> !paste | tekeli-li
[03:16] <Kobaz> service isn't starting, check out the shell scripts that manage them, add echo/print statements, see what's going on
[03:17] <Kobaz> virtual machines are your friend as well
[03:17] <Ham62> well one thing I learned is the nginx service doesn't like to let you restart it from the service reload thing
[03:17] <tekeli-li> thanks
[03:17] <Ham62> so you can manually kill the process and start it again to update the config
[03:17] <Kobaz> set up some test boxes, make a clone of your production system and then you can test things safely on another system
[03:17] <Kobaz> Ham62: you can probably fix that with a line or two of shell
[03:18] <Kobaz> Ham62: see what's being run when you start the service, find the init scripts for it and start debugging
[03:23] <Kobaz> Ham62: when all else fails, use strace, and look for exec
[03:23] <Ham62> ok
[03:23] <Ham62> oh and now the install's done
[03:23] <Ham62> so the extras you said to install
[03:23] <Kobaz> yeah
[03:23] <Kobaz> that's your bridge module
[03:23] <Ham62> apt-get install bridge-utils?
[03:24] <Kobaz> quite possibly
[03:24] <Kobaz> yeah you were running on the other root
[03:24] <Kobaz> nothing happens if it's already installed and up to date
[03:24] <Ham62> ok, yeah it's already installed here
[03:27] <silverfox> ,kn,.kn
[03:28] <Ham62> yay and now brctl can add a br0 too
[03:29] <Ham62|P3> .
[03:29] <tekeli-li> Should I allow the installation of the proprietary software listed under "Additional Drivers" inside "Software & Updates"?
[03:29] <tekeli-li> http://imgur.com/FzayZpC
[03:32] <Kobaz> tekeli-li: usually a good idea
[03:32] <Kobaz> unless you have a reason not to
[03:32] <dax> first one: only if your wifi doesn't work right
[03:32] <dax> second one: yes
[03:34] <tekeli-li> Kobaz, I don't have a reason, but I am cautious.
[03:34] <BHW> all i forget my ubuntu password.. can anyone helps me???
[03:34] <cfhowlett> !password | BHW
[03:34] <tekeli-li> dax, I have wifi connectivity, but why if not the driver?
[03:35] <gardon> Hello
[03:35] <cfhowlett> sounds like the generic wifi worked for you, tekeli-li
[03:35] <tekeli-li> What is the "processor microcode" thing anyway?
[03:35] <dax> tekeli-li: that chipset has two options for drivers. if the default one works, zero reason to use the other one
[03:35] <gardon> I just installed ubuntu alongside windows10 but GRUB isn't showing
[03:36] <dax> tekeli-li: Intel and AMD processors have re-programmable code in them. Sometimes those companies release updates to it to fix bugs. It's included in BIOS updates and OSes can also push it out.
[03:36] <gardon> Computer is still using windows 10's boot
[03:36] <dax> tekeli-li: the updates don't "stick" though, they reset on reboot. hence, microcode packages that add the code at boot
[03:37] <dax> (well. the BIOS updates stick. ones done by the OS don't)
[03:37] <Kobaz> tekeli-li: proprietary stuff is like the nvidia drivers, or wireless firmware that's required to make devices work
[03:38] <tekeli-li> My CPU and display seem to work, but I don't know how to tell if some features are unavailable without these drivers.
[03:39] <tekeli-li> Like "this device is not working" sounds bad, but is it really something I should try to fix by installing the suggested proprietary drivers?
[03:39]  * dax sighs
[03:39] <dax> your wifi works fine. so there is no reason to switch your wifi driver. it's a waste of time that can only change things to "not working fine"
[03:39] <dax> microcode includes updates for almost all processors to fix bugs that will do weird stuff you won't notice until/unless it becomes a problem
[03:40] <dax> the only reason microcode updates aren't shipped by default is because they're not open source
[03:40] <dax> "this device is not working" is Ubuntu's update config program being stupid, that wording sucks
[03:42] <tekeli-li> dax where may i read more about this specific driver update or microcode or whatever?
[03:47] <Ham62|P3> ok so Kobaz, now when I try to restart the network service, service reload says it's not running, service stop says it's failed while stopping, service start says it's already running and force-reload also says it's not running
[03:52] <tekeli-li> dax I applied the second one, but not the first, because that's what you recommended. My world hasn't ended yet, but I'll see what happens next reboot.
[03:54] <Dalek_Breath> what is "usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" ?
[03:56] <dax> something plugged into a USB port or internally into the USB bus tried to pull too much power
[03:57] <Dalek_Breath> dax, is that what -110 is? Or were you talking to someone else?
[03:57] <dax> Dalek_Breath: that's what the -110 code means
[03:58] <Dalek_Breath> should the -110 error be causing the system to boot up slowly?
[03:59] <Dalek_Breath> is there anyway to determine which USB device is "trying to pull too much power"?
[04:00] <dax> i think the 1-1.3 corresponds to the bus/device numbers in the output of "lsusb", but I'm not sure
[04:01] <dax> i'd probably unplug all your external USB stuff and see if it changes anything, and if the error goes away and boot time changes then...
[04:01] <gardon> Can anyone help me pls
[04:01] <Dalek_Breath> dax... there are no external USB devices
[04:01] <gardon> Grub isnt showing @dax
[04:01] <dax> Dalek_Breath: oh, well that puts a damper on that plan
[04:01] <gardon> I just installed ubuntu alongside win10
[04:02] <gardon> Please help
[04:06] <tekeli-li> thanks Kobaz dax cfhowlett
[04:10] <MATE-Guest> Greetings. I am trying to set up a public access computer using Ubuntu MATE 16.04. But, I am having some issues and am looking for assistance.
[04:10] <MATE-Guest> If I select Advanced Menu from Ubuntu Tweak, as Guest, the menu disappears. Also, I get an error message when I try to connect to a wireless network as Guest. Ultimately, I would like to set up the desktop the way I want and then back it up to skel from my Administrative account. But, there aren't privileges to change what I want while logged in as Guest.
[04:12] <YankDownUnder> The nature of "guest" is to have absolutely NO privelages - other than what is granted from an admin level.
[04:12] <MATE-Guest> Ironically, as Guest, I can run Disks from the menu, select a partition and select minus to delete the partition. While I cannot change the menu or select a wireless network.
[04:13] <MATE-Guest> YankDownUnder, how do i enable a wireless connection for the guest from an admin user?
[04:13] <YankDownUnder> Well, then that's something that would be buggy with MATE...which this channel isn't.
[04:14] <MATE-Guest> YankDownUnder, how do I enable advanced menu for the guest user as the admin?
[04:14] <YankDownUnder> Without running MATE, I cannot tell you. There *IS* a channel specifically for MATE => #ubuntu-mate => just so's ya know.
[04:14] <MATE-Guest> Ah.
[04:14] <SpaceAce> hey guys, i'm really struggling to get my intel gpu to work properly. it seems to be doing software rendering in kodi
[04:14] <SpaceAce> i upgraded to ubuntu 17.04 yesterday and it didn't fix the issue
[04:14] <YankDownUnder> MATE-Guest: If I ran MATE, I'd know. I do NOT run Mate, ergo, I do not know.
[04:15] <MATE-Guest> YankDownUnder, I understand. Thank you.
[04:15] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: It would appear that 17.04 experts aren't available - oh wait, 17.04 rolled out yesterday. Far out. (sarcasm)
[04:16] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Have you tried the usual methods?
[04:16] <SpaceAce> YankDownUnder, i've tried those suggestions you gave me yesterday
[04:16] <SpaceAce> still no luck
[04:17] <SpaceAce> kodi and video playback is slow software rendering
[04:17] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: I'm old - my memory is sh*t.
[04:17] <tekeli-li> dax , my mouse went haywire after reboot so i disconnected it.
[04:17] <SpaceAce> i can't recall what i tried, now
[04:17] <SpaceAce> just that it's using a vmware opengl driver and not the right thing, i guess
[04:18] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: You're in VMware?
[04:18] <SpaceAce> no
[04:18] <SpaceAce> it's a native install on a machine that was working fine for a while
[04:18] <SpaceAce> but now i've screwed around with it all
[04:18] <SpaceAce> damn it
[04:18] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Right.
[04:19] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Open a terminal, type: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ==> follow what it says
[04:20] <SpaceAce> didn't do much
[04:20] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Sometimes it takes a while...
[04:20] <SpaceAce> no it looked like it just refreshed apt
[04:20] <SpaceAce> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[04:21] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Right oh...how's about reading this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/763672/16-04-how-to-purge-intel-default-drivers-reinstall-intel-graphic-drivers
[04:21] <SpaceAce> ah, i might give that a go
[04:22] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: If it works, you have to give me all your donuts.
[04:22] <SpaceAce> mate if it works you can have everything in my pantry
[04:22] <SpaceAce> i've been stuck on this for days
[04:22] <SpaceAce> it's my HTPC but i don't want to dump and reinstall
[04:22] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Give that a shot. I'm not dead yet.
[04:23] <gardon> Is anyone online
[04:23] <gardon> Just have a quick question
[04:23] <gardon> I have windows in Legacy Boot
[04:24] <YankDownUnder> gardon: One question.
[04:24] <gardon> Can I install ubuntu in IEFI?
[04:24] <gardon> UEFI
[04:24] <gardon> Windows 10 on legacy boot then Ubuntu in UEFI?
[04:24] <YankDownUnder> You can install Ubuntu using UEFI...not so sure about the Micro$oft crap. I don't do "Windows"
[04:25] <gardon> Because I have been installing Ubuntu over and over but the Grub isnt showing up
[04:25] <Sparrow_> Sounds Scary and destined to fail
[04:25] <gardon> True Sparrow so Im asking here
[04:25] <Sparrow_> gardon, why not just install ubuntu non uefi
[04:25] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Have you read through exactly HOW to install Ubuntu alongside Win10 before doing this?
[04:25] <gardon> Can I install ubuntu in Legacy mode though because the grub isnt showing
[04:25] <Sparrow_> Alongside is not the problem
[04:25] <pd1> using a full destop image or something like the minimal image?
[04:26] <gardon> I have the 1GB+ one
[04:26] <SpaceAce> well YankDownUnder, i rebooted and it's still stuttery
[04:26] <Sparrow_> gardon, when you boot usb you have uefi and non uefi oprions.
[04:26] <gardon> I dont get that option though
[04:26] <gardon> I just go to bios and choose legacy or uefi
[04:27] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: So you followed the instructions on the page I sent -about purging and re-installing the drivers, yes?
[04:27] <Sparrow_> It wont say non uefi
[04:27] <gardon> I dont get eh
[04:27] <pd1> if the other systems (Windows, GNU/Linux...) of your computer are installed in Legacy (not-UEFI) mode, then you must install Ubuntu in Legacy mode too. Eg if your computer is old (<2010), is 32bits, or was sold with a pre-installed Windows XP.
[04:27] <pd1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[04:27] <SpaceAce> YankDownUnder, yep i ran the reinstall
[04:27] <gardon> I dont get what youre saying sparrow
[04:27] <gardon> Pd1 but the grub isnt working
[04:28] <Sparrow_> gardon, in bios leave legacy, boot usb install and choose the flash drive
[04:28] <gardon> In other words, i cant go to ubuntu after installing it
[04:28] <gardon> Thats what I did sparrow
[04:28] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: So at this point, have you tried - again - to do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:28] <gardon> But windows loader is the one thats showing up and not ubuntu
[04:28] <pd1> you followed the guide? or just give it a go? you have a "ubuntu" uefi partition in the bios whatever uefi thing?
[04:29] <gardon> What guide
[04:29] <Sparrow_> gardon, grub will work when you select the right legacy install
[04:29] <SpaceAce> YankDownUnder, yes
[04:29] <SpaceAce> It's not using the right driver i think
[04:29] <SpaceAce> GL_RENDERER	Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits)
[04:29] <pd1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI this guide
[04:29] <SpaceAce> should be using the Mesa Ivybridge and intel gl vendor
[04:29] <Sparrow_> pd1, if he has a windows non uefi install now that wont work
[04:30] <gardon> Which part pd1
[04:30] <YankDownUnder> SpaceAce: Have you looked through the wiki/forums for exactly your driver and issue? Mind you - 17.04 is NEW - and there might be changes (most likely ARE changes) that will directly affect graphics drivers...hmmm...
[04:30] <gardon> Sparrow how do I choose the right legacy install
[04:30] <gardon> I chose install ubuntu alongside windows10
[04:31] <gardon> Im using Legacy mode on both win10 and ubuntu
[04:31] <gardon> But grub isnt there
[04:31] <gardon> I also did this on linux mint but the grub menu wasnt there
[04:31] <Sparrow_> gardon, with bios set to legacy you shoud have a non uefi option when you boot the flash drive
[04:31] <gardon> How do I make sure that I have non uefi option
[04:31] <gardon> You know what
[04:31] <gardon> Let me reinstall ubuntu
[04:31] <gardon> Is that okay with u sparrow
[04:31] <Sparrow_> gardon, do you hit f12 or something to bring up the boot list?
[04:32] <gardon> And then guide me which one to choose
[04:32] <gardon> Yes @Sparrow
[04:32] <gardon> I dont think you get the situation, I already installed ubumtu
[04:32] <gardon> But when I open the computer, theres no ubuntu option
[04:32] <gardon> It doesnt become a dual boot
[04:32] <Sparrow_> gardon, yea but the grun didnt connect you
[04:32] <gardon> Windows is not detecting ubuntu
[04:33] <Sparrow_> how did you configure your partitions
[04:33] <gardon> I didnr
[04:33] <gardon> Didnt
[04:33] <gardon> I just made 100gb partition for ubunt
[04:33] <YankDownUnder> Change the BIOS to UEFI booting, Use the LiveUSB to re-install grub.
[04:33] <gardon> Then use the alongside with windows 10 install
[04:33] <Sparrow_> HOw did you install ubuntu or to what parttititon did you install it
[04:34] <gardon> It says sda5 amd 6
[04:34] <Sparrow_> gardon, ok
[04:34] <gardon> It made 2 partitions on the 100GB part
[04:34] <gardon> The 100GB is an unallocated partition btw
[04:34] <gardon> YankDownUnder: but Im on legacy mode in windows and  it was on legacy mode as well when I installed ubuntu
[04:35] <Sparrow_> gardon, ok, I dont have much time tonight but legacy mode in the bios and dont select the usb drive that shows uefi
[04:35] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Again, I shall ask the simplest of questions: Did you read up on how to install Win10 and Ubuntu side by side?
[04:35] <gardon> Nope, I just gave it a go.
[04:36] <gardon> I dont get what youre saying sparrow :(
[04:36] <Sparrow_> gardon, Ill be back tomorrow.  Good luck
[04:36] <YankDownUnder> gardon: And you're savvy enough about using forums and wikis and Google?
[04:36] <gardon> I thought it was easy lol
[04:37] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Everything is easy if you know how to do it and follow the instructions. Otherwise, things AREN'T easy. And if you're not experienced in doing it, it's even harder.
[04:38] <gardon> Does the legacy mode affect the whole thing though
[04:38] <YankDownUnder> gardon: There are countless guides on how this is done. Thousands of poeple do this every day - literally. You are NOT a special case.
[04:38] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Set your BIOS to UEFI mode.
[04:38] <YankDownUnder> You've already installed Ubuntu - it's already there. Installing it YET AGAIN is actually quite a silly matter - and a waste of time.
[04:39] <gardon> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside_8.html?m=1
[04:39] <gardon> Im pretty sure this is what I did
[04:39] <tekeli-li> dax Now I got "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.10 has experienced an internal error."
[04:39] <gardon> But there's no "restart now" option that happened to me
[04:39] <gardon> The computer just turned off
[04:39] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Read this: http://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/
[04:40] <dax> tekeli-li: impressive. neither of those should be related to microcode at all.
[04:40] <gardon> YankDownUnder Im using legacy mode for windows though
[04:40] <tekeli-li> dax, I'll buy a new mouse and ignore the "internal error" dialog then.
[04:41] <gardon> Is it okay to install ubuntu in uefi?
[04:41] <dax> gardon: use the same mode for Windows and UEFI
[04:41] <gardon> YankDownUnder
[04:41] <dax> it's gonna make life way too complicated otherwise
[04:41] <dax> erm
[04:41] <dax> for Windows and Ubuntu
[04:42] <gardon> So Im going to reinstall ubuntu in Legacy mode again?
[04:42] <gardon> But by following this guide http://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/
[04:42] <gardon> Is that correct YankDownUnder and dax
[04:42] <YankDownUnder> READ it all - and then read it again - and then follow through.
[04:43] <gardon> In the procedure that I did, I chose install ubuntu alongside windows
[04:43] <gardon> Hope this new procedure would work
[04:43] <gardon> Ill be bacl
[04:44] <gardon> Wait
[04:44] <gardon> Should I write in iso mode or dd mode?
[04:44] <gardon> In rufus
[04:44] <gardon> YankDownUnder and dax which one should I pick
[04:45] <SpaceAce> gardon, it doens't usually matter unless iso mode is causing issues
[04:45] <gardon> Ok
[04:45] <gardon> Because I thought it might be the problem
[04:46] <SpaceAce> dd will take longer, and you'll need to use fdisk or something to make the usb stick usable again
[04:46] <gardon> I just format it lol
[04:48] <Tin_man> i agree with the others, i only see disaster, until you understand what your actually doing, and reading. It would be better as mentioned to read, and re-read until you understand what you need to do in you bios.
[04:48] <gardon> What size should I choose
[04:48] <gardon> I have 98GB available
[04:48] <Tin_man> your*
[04:49] <LynnB> okay. Hello. Pardon me if I'm a bit bad at using IRC. I was in the #ubuntu-mate chat and they told me to come here. I was trying to use Ubuntu MATE's live desktop, everything loaded fine. But my mouse clicks weren't registering. Like if I clicked "close" the button for that on the welcome screen wouldn't even show as being pressed despite being cli
[04:49] <LynnB> cked. I am using a wireless USB mouse and have my trackpad disabled in the BIOS. I was told that this isn't a MATE-specific issue and to come here.
[04:50] <alance> Hello. I was the first time to use irc.
[04:50] <wildpenguin> hello..can I download and use Ubuntu 17.04 now? is it stable for an end user?
[04:51] <YankDownUnder> LynnB: You can always try turning off Bluetooth. See if that affects it.
[04:51] <YankDownUnder> wildpenguin: Yes
[04:52] <wildpenguin> great. thanks.
[04:52] <LynnB> @YankDownUnder if I can get the bluetooth switch to register that I'm clicking it, sure. (my keyboard doesn't have a bluetooth button)
[04:52] <YankDownUnder> LynnB: Here's something to try. You know the little dongle that comes with your wireless mouse?
[04:53] <LynnB> yes
[04:53] <YankDownUnder> LynnB: Unplug it. Wait for about 10 seconds. Plug it in again. See what that does, eh?
[04:53] <LynnB> I will be back in a bitch then!
[04:53] <LynnB> errr bit!
[04:53] <LynnB> oops!
[04:53] <wildpenguin> I think other flavours like Xubuntu and Lubuntu are not available for 17.04 yet.
[04:53] <gardon> YankDownUnder, I can choose install ubuntu alongside windows, right?
[04:54] <YankDownUnder> wildpenguin: Are you in a rush for 17.04? Why not wait for a few weeks and watch what issues crop up so that you know how to deal with them...eh?
[04:54] <YankDownUnder> gardon: Yes.
[04:54] <wildpenguin> that's a good suggestion. I'll wait.
[04:55] <gardon> YankDownUnder, this is exactly how I did the installation earlier
[04:55] <YankDownUnder> wildpenguin: I've watched this "game" for years. For many distros. It's worth it to wait.
[04:55] <gardon> Not really sure what I did wrong :*
[04:55] <gardon> :(
[04:55] <Tin_man> gardon, did you turn off secure boot in the bios?
[04:55] <YankDownUnder> gardon: You asked a question, I answered the question.
[04:55] <gardon> Yes it is turned off.
[04:56] <gardon> How do I get GRUB instead of Windows only
[04:56] <wildpenguin> YankDownUnder, true. I am a newbie. Was just excited. I really wanted to try Ubuntu Budgie. But, I'll wait for a couple of weeks now.
[04:56] <gardon> Tin_man Im using legacy mode btw
[04:56] <gardon> But grub isnt showing after isntallation Tin_man
[04:57] <YankDownUnder> wildpenguin: It's a smarter idea. In that time, you can read up on Budgie and all the other flavours - along with reading through issues folks have with upgrades and updates and drivers - specifically - take a look through about hardware YOU already have - to see if there are specific issues to prepare for, eh?
[04:59] <wildpenguin> I experimented with trying multiple DEs on Ubuntu. Won't ever do that again. I think, it creates some conflicts. Will stick to a single or at the max two DEs.
[04:59] <gardon> YankDownUnder I think my computer overheated during the process
[04:59] <gardon> It just turned off once again
[04:59] <gardon> But now during installation
[05:00] <gardon> On my previous go, it shut down before saying the installation was a succes
[05:04] <Tin_man> gardon, here look around here and see if you can learn how to do the dual boot with Ubuntu and UEFI.. >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+installing+dual+boot+ubuntu+and+windows+10+UEFI+bios&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[05:09] <Jordan_U> gardon: Before you install, make sure that the installer is booted via BIOS using these instructions to test it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/162564/how-can-i-tell-if-my-system-was-booted-as-efi-uefi-or-bios
[05:09] <OERIAS> Tin_man, are newer versions of Ubuntu allowed to use SecuredBoot?
[05:10] <doubtful> hi
[05:10] <doubtful> any ideas on this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43405126/qxcbconnection-could-not-connect-to-display?
[05:10] <Jordan_U> gardon: To do that check you will need to select "Try Ubuntu before installing". You can still start the installer after that, and in fact I generally recommend doing so as then you can access a browser and troubleshoot things while the installer is running.
[05:10] <Jordan_U> OERIAS: Yes. Ubuntu has supported secure boot for years now.
[05:11] <OERIAS> Jordan_U, really?
[05:11] <OERIAS> I that was a relatively a new feature
[05:11] <OERIAS> nice
[05:12] <Jordan_U> OERIAS: Ubuntu 14.04 supports secure boot, and I'm pretty sure a few versions before it did too.
[05:13] <OERIAS> because my understanding was that you had to change the bios settings to legacy mode
[05:14] <Jordan_U> OERIAS: Definitely not. If your boot firmware supports UEFI we recommend booting via UEFI, and have for again years. Many machines cripple their hardware (for stupid reasons) when booting via BIOS/CSM.
[05:15] <dax> I note that UEFI and Secure Boot are not the same thing, also. Ubuntu's supported UEFI even longer than it's supported Secure Boot.
[05:15] <OERIAS> dax, yes for Intel Based Macs
[05:16] <dax> yes what
[05:16] <OERIAS> i said it's the reason why Intel-based Macs are allowed to boot Ubuntu
[05:16] <OERIAS> since they have UEFI
[05:17] <dax> ok
[05:17] <gardon> Jordan_U
[05:17] <dax> Jordan_U: based on some googling I'm guessing 12.10, btw
[05:17] <gardon> Are u still there
[05:18] <gardon> I think my computer just overheated so the installation failed
[05:22] <Jordan_U> gardon: You should definitely check your hardware, see if all of your fans are spinning as they should, check for dust blocking airways, etc as no software should be able to make your machine overheat.
[05:34] <yesimon> Soo, upgraded to 17.04 and nautilus is not opening
[05:34] <yesimon> Error creating proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gtk.vfs.MTPVolumeMonitor: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)
[05:34] <yesimon> And etc
[05:57] <dust> why does vlc gets uninstalled at upgrade to 17.10?
[05:58] <dust> 17.04
[06:00] <YankDownUnder> dust: Have you tried to re-install it?
[06:00] <dust> i ll later
[06:00] <YankDownUnder> It would be due to libraries and other dependencies.
[06:00] <dust> but to kill the best media player is a no go
[06:01] <dust> yeah then kill the other
[06:01] <dust> or give a choice
[06:02] <Peter____> Hello i was wondering if there was anyone here who has had experience using Ubuntu live CD as a way to remove viruses/malware off a portable HDD?
[06:03] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: Yes. Boot with it, update clamav, mount the portable, run clamav on the portable.
[06:03] <Peter____> @yankdownunder am i able to use the GPU version (i think its clamTK?)
[06:04] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: Your preference. I prefer the terminal/console. I can see everything and have more control over all the options. But  that's just me.
[06:05] <Peter____> Thats fair, after the scan is completed, since its a live CD version does it still get stored somewhere in a quarantine or automatically deleted? This is my primary concern as i don't think Clam can attempt to clean files like MSE can right? So i'd like to know what the files are to get a clean version of them instead of outright deleting them. Would it be better to use a USB or can a CD still be used in this situation?
[06:05] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: I have a USB that I use primarily for stuff like that (persistent)
[06:05] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: Deleted.
[06:06] <Peter____> So if i did persistent storage install on a USB, i could get a quarantine option?
[06:06] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: As per clamav.
[06:07] <Peter____> Right they would still work a little differently... Could i post a link here? It's from lifehacker i beleive october last year.
[06:08] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: As per what I use the USB for - virus/malware scans is one, changing Win passwords is the other, recoverying file systems is another...testing networks and hardware is another...the list goes on. The persistent USB allows me to save data for heaps of reasons...aside from my pretty themes and colours and wallpaper...ahem...
[06:08] <Peter____> Ha. But you arent sure if it would quarantine it?
[06:09] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: I delete sh*t. I don't save "bugs"...SOMETIMES I save particular "data" - to use in a "forensics" issue (pr0n and the likes)...otherwise, I delete everything.
[06:10] <Peter____> Yeah i just want to know what files may have been infected so yeah just get the names and reget clean copies
[06:10] <Peter____> to do that i can't really jsut outright delete the damn things
[06:10] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: Save the log files from clamav...those are helpful.
[06:12] <Peter____> right well yeah i already scanned the HDD with malware bytes and im gonna go ahead with MSE today, then to make compeltely sure i was gonna use one of those AV CDs like kaspersky but if Clam TK gets better results, i might make a petition for linux to use it instead
[06:13] <malkauns> in gnome shell how can u i get a shadow for the top bar?
[06:13] <Peter____> Thanks, if i have an issues i''ll come back here
[06:13] <YankDownUnder> Peter____: Peace, bro.
[06:28] <Guest59605> hi guys, I erroneously formatted a disk from GPT to MBR, but just the partition table (you know with gnome disk utility) without overwriting the data and I'm wondering, is there way to get the GPT back?
[06:31] <FManTX> good morning!
[06:31] <Guest59605> hi guys, I erroneously formatted a disk from GPT to MBR, but just the partition table (you know with gnome disk utility) without overwriting the data and I'm wondering, is there way to get the GPT back?
[07:05] <ClydeSlims> I'
[07:06] <ClydeSlims> I'm trying to install a graphic driver for my AMD Radeon 7700 HD card. I downloaded AMDGPUPro but under software & updates it doesn't even recognize it: http://i.imgur.com/wlWVfCL.png
[07:09] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: that is because it is already using the driver ubuntu has for it, it knows of no other
[07:11] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, so the driver I'm using right now doesn't need to be changed?
[07:11] <ClydeSlims> I'm trying to increase my FPS in games
[07:11] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: are you *sure* your card is supported by amdgpu-pro?
[07:12] <ClydeSlims> It was under the list
[07:12] <ClydeSlims> AMD Radeon 7700 HD
[07:12] <ClydeSlims> I don't know any other places to get a driver
[07:13] <FManTX> how's 17.04 working out?
[07:15] <bekks> FManTX: It's released.
[07:15] <FManTX> I am planning to stay with my LTS, but I'll DL the 17.04 torrents just to seed them
[07:15] <bekks> !17.04
[07:16] <FManTX> kewl... it is not possible to dist-upgrade from short-term support versions (16.10 -> 17.04)?
[07:16] <gogeta> umm
[07:16] <gogeta> 17.04 isnt lts
[07:16] <gogeta> that will be 18.04
[07:16] <gogeta> but 16.10 to 17.04 is fine
[07:17] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: are you on 16.04.2?
[07:18] <ducasse> FManTX: you don't dist-upgrade to a new release like in debian, you run do-release-upgrade.
[07:19] <gogeta> i woudl wait if this is launch day repos will be nice and slow
[07:20] <ducasse> it's been out for almost 24 hours now.
[07:21] <gogeta> yea wait still 18.04 hits
[07:21] <gogeta> the repors will be crashed or slow for a week
[07:21] <gogeta> repos
[07:23] <bekks> gogeta: where do you got those rumors from? 17.04 repos are working fine here.
[07:23] <gogeta> lol
[07:23] <bekks> Fetching 185MB updates in 59s cant be considered being slow.
[07:23] <gogeta> been around for a lts launch tryst me things get slow
[07:24] <gogeta> not so mutch for these launches
[07:24] <gogeta> gotta rember most ubuntu uses stick to lts
[07:24] <gogeta> users
[07:24] <FManTX> I hurd Unity will be dropped, but that's not until a few releases from now - in 2018?
[07:24] <gogeta> 18.04 yes
[07:25] <gogeta> probly in 17.10
[07:25] <jkl1996> i dont think so
[07:25] <gogeta> yes it was confermed
[07:25] <gogeta> confermed
[07:25] <gogeta> they even fired all the unity devs
[07:25] <FManTX> hahah
[07:25] <bekks> gogeta: Do you have any trustable news site for those rumors?
[07:25] <gogeta> yes
[07:26] <gogeta> unity ending is no rumor
[07:26] <FManTX> ducasse, in any case, the automatic release only works with LTS releases?
[07:26] <gogeta> there going to gnome 3
[07:26] <bekks> gogeta: So please share that link.
[07:26] <FManTX> +upgrade
[07:26] <ducasse> FManTX: automatic release?
[07:26] <gogeta> https://askubuntu.com/questions/900539/canonical-replacing-unity-with-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu-18-04-what-now
[07:26] <ducasse> FManTX: no
[07:26] <jkl1996> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/04/12/1844230/dozens-of-canonical-employees-resign-as-ubuntu-switches-to-gnome-shuttleworth-returns-as-ceo ??
[07:27] <gogeta> there you go
[07:27] <FManTX> so you can in fact do a release-upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04?
[07:27] <TeKKiE> Yah, going back to gnome, which is worthwhile anyway
[07:27] <gogeta> it was more everyone was using spinoffs and not unity
[07:27] <TeKKiE> I've been running gnome since 14. Got tired of unity personally.
[07:27] <ducasse> FManTX: yes
[07:27] <gogeta> perfect example
[07:27] <FManTX> I think I have received incomplete informations (or perhaps (more likely) I remember wrongly)
[07:27] <bekks> gogeta: employees resigning arent employees fired.
[07:28] <gogeta> thats the nice way to spin it
[07:28] <TeKKiE> gogeta: exactly.
[07:28] <FManTX> I thought Unity was going to be the great thing that unites all to a wonderful experience
[07:28] <gogeta> they where fired
[07:28] <TeKKiE> pfft
[07:28] <TeKKiE> Unity was a resource hog
[07:28] <FManTX> everything is nowadays :P
[07:28] <TeKKiE> and it was supposed to be "one GUI across platforms", which failed miserably
[07:29] <FManTX> yeah, I wonder how that could have gone wrong
[07:29] <misha>  Hey there, what are diffrences between these two: archive.canonical.com/ubuntu  and archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ? Also I need to an original source.list file.
[07:29] <18WAAQELK> hy everybody.
[07:29] <18WAAQELK> I have backports enabled and I want to do `do-release-upgrade`, is it enough to disable backport sources in apt or do I also  need to uninstall software?
[07:29] <gogeta> trust me linux coders geetting paid dont just resine lol
[07:29] <FManTX> hehe
[07:29] <ducasse> Guest66746: https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[07:30] <ikevin> 18WAAQELK, it depend of sofware
[07:30] <jkl1996> There is too much demand for good sysadmins in India @gogeta
[07:30] <18WAAQELK> I have kde installed from backports
[07:30] <Guest66746> @ducasse there is no zesty one in that.
[07:30] <gogeta> where not talking sysadmins
[07:30] <ducasse> 18WAAQELK: from the ppa, you mean?
[07:31] <gogeta> where talking real coders
[07:31] <18WAAQELK> yes
[07:31] <jkl1996> @gogeta i know just a thought
[07:31] <ducasse> !ppa-purge | 18WAAQELK
[07:31] <gogeta> no coder will leave a paying job
[07:31] <gogeta> most of us strave :)
[07:31] <gogeta> starve
[07:31] <Guest66746> I just need source.list file from ubuntu 17.04
[07:32] <ducasse> Guest66746: try disabling and reenabling repos in software and updates
[07:32] <gogeta> you dont even need to that far to remove a ppa
[07:33] <ducasse> gogeta: yes, that is recommended if you're going to upgrade
[07:33] <18WAAQELK> @ubottu thanks for the info, i know how to do ppa-purge but is it realy required when doing do-release-upgrade?
[07:33] <ducasse> 18WAAQELK: it is highly recommended
[07:33] <18WAAQELK> because that will uninstall a lot of software
[07:33] <gogeta> you can remove them viaa the softwhere manager gui
[07:33] <18WAAQELK> ok thank you
[07:33] <ducasse> 18WAAQELK: no, that won't remove the packages
[07:34] <gogeta> and the updater should auto remove them
[07:34] <bekks> gogeta: No.
[07:34] <Guest66746> @ducasse usefull, thanks.
[07:34] <gogeta> it should for a major updrape
[07:34] <bekks> gogeta: It doesnt.
[07:34] <gogeta> pretty shure it does
[07:34] <ducasse> gogeta: please don't give bad advice, you're wrong here
[07:35] <gogeta> you may wanna check that i rember those updaters doing it
[07:35] <bekks> gogeta: I dont need to check since I know that disabling a repo doesnt remove its packages.
[07:36] <ducasse> gogeta: it just disables ppas, it does not remove packages. try it.
[07:36] <gogeta> alwyas a load of laughs in hear
[07:37] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, 16.04 LTS
[07:37] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, should I just downgrade or something? It doesn't seem like 16.04 supports AMD drivers.
[07:37] <18WAAQELK> so i can do `ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && do-release-upgrade` or areis any other spets required ?
[07:37] <ducasse> !hwe | ClydeSlims make sure this is installed first
[07:38] <18WAAQELK> sorry i mean to write "or are any other steps required?"
[07:38] <ducasse> 18WAAQELK: if you don't have any other ppas that should do.
[07:38] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, no older amd cards only have oss drivers
[07:39] <18WAAQELK> @ducasse backports are the only ones. thank you
[07:39] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: to me it looks like 16.04.2 supports your card with amdgpu-pro
[07:39] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, yea fglrx is dead
[07:41] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, if you only have oss driver i recmond this https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[07:41] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, mm anytime I try to install anything now, it says
[07:41] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, it updates you to a way better oss driver for older amd
[07:41] <ClydeSlims> "The following packages have unmet dependencies: wine : Depends: wine1.6  E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[07:41] <ClydeSlims> I tried apt-get -f install too, didnt work
[07:42] <ducasse> gogeta: that's not the driver we are talking about here, his card supports amdgpu-pro
[07:42] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, oh wine
[07:42] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: pastebin the full output on paste.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24378886/
[07:45] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, well I also just purged my ubuntu clean of wine and now I tried it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:46] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: you need to paste the last link again, it doesn't link to the paste
[07:46] <ClydeSlims> woops
[07:46] <ClydeSlims> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24378890/
[07:46] <gogeta> ClydeSlims, humm why 1.6 isnt 1.7 in the repos
[07:48] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: ok, now you can install the amd driver, just follow the instructions from their site.
[07:48] <ClydeSlims> I also outputted  glxinfo | grep 'OpenGL version string' | grep Mesa
[07:48] <ClydeSlims> But I did install it.
[07:49] <ClydeSlims> glxinfo shows nothing.
[07:49] <gogeta> you have to restart after installing a gpu driver
[07:49] <ClydeSlims> gogeta, I did.
[07:49] <gogeta> what amd card
[07:49] <ClydeSlims> 7700 HD
[07:49] <gogeta> oh
[07:49] <ClydeSlims> Radeon 7700 HD*
[07:50] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: pastebin 'lsmod -k'
[07:50] <ClydeSlims> Usage: lsmod
[07:50] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: pastebin 'lspci -k', sorry
[07:51] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24378898/
[07:51] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: "Kernel driver in use: amdgpu"
[07:52] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, so I'm using open source drivers? It's all set?
[07:52] <gogeta> dies laughing
[07:52] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: you're using the amd driver
[07:53] <ClydeSlims> How do I switch it to an open source driver?
[07:53] <gogeta> why would you
[07:53] <ClydeSlims> This tutorial I'm looking at requires open source drivers
[07:53] <ClydeSlims> a wine tutorial
[07:53] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: you are running the driver you have been trying to install all this time, why switch?
[07:53] <gogeta> you dont need that if your running proptery
[07:53] <ClydeSlims> ok
[07:54] <gogeta> when you said amd unssupported in 16.04 i thought it was a old fglrx card
[07:55] <ducasse> ClydeSlims: to remove it (if you ever need to) there are uninstall instructions on the amd site
[07:55] <ClydeSlims> ducasse, ok
[07:55] <gogeta> those you rely run the newer mesa stack
[07:55] <gogeta> there slowwwww otherwise
[07:55] <smokey-screen> quick question on 16.10 - upon login to system, screen flickers between proper colour and almost like a negative effect until i click on the screen and then it stays as you would expect
[07:56] <smokey-screen> any knowledge?
[07:57] <ducasse> smokey-screen: probably just a gpu bug, which card and driver are you using?
[07:57] <smokey-screen> ducasse, honestly a linux noob (windows convert) how would i find this info?
[07:58] <ducasse> smokey-screen: 'lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the url here
[07:58] <ducasse> smokey-screen: it will list the kernel modules loaded for your pci devices
[08:00] <smokey-screen> ducasse, http://termbin.com/z86l
[08:02] <ducasse> smokey-screen: intel gpu/driver. i wouldn't really worry about it if everything works otherwise, but if it bothers you you can file a bug.
[08:02] <smokey-screen> ducasse: no harm, no bother - Thank you for your time
[08:03] <ducasse> smokey-screen: np
[08:06] <userAAAAAvvvvvvv> Good morning to all
[08:06] <smokey-screen> userAAAAAvvvvvvv: good morning
[08:07] <userAAAAAvvvvvvv> it has been ages since i last used IRC
[08:09] <Eightynine> Hi. My system takes very long to boot even though I'm using SSD.
[08:09] <BinaryMaster> Question: I installed gnome3 on my 16.04 install but have one problem. Can anyone tell me how to remove the launcher thing that is on the left of my screen (screen shot: http://picpaste.com/desktop-6URTuKqk.png) it is not the dock at least not the same one that comes up when you press the super key
[08:10] <ikevin> Eightynine, take a look a systemd-analyze to see what is taking time
[08:10] <ducasse> Eightynine: examine the output from 'systemd-analyze blame'
[08:10] <ikevin> Eightynine, systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg then open "plot.svg" :)
[08:10] <Eightynine> Yes, I triend first command before writing here, it said that boot not finished yet try again laiter.
[08:11] <Eightynine> I tried.
[08:13] <ducasse> Eightynine: try 'systemctl --failed'
[08:13] <Eightynine> https://pastebin.com/1d7TMu3T there's nothing special
[08:14] <Eightynine> https://pastebin.com/Mb5MkdL4
[08:15] <immu> ducasse: is it ok if i install gnome-shell with Unity?
[08:15] <ducasse> Eightynine: '3min 385ms (userspace)' from systemd-analyze does not look right
[08:16] <ducasse> immu: yes
[08:16] <immu> ducasse: it won't mess my system up right?
[08:16] <Eightynine>  org.freedesktop.network1.busname org.freedesktop.resolve1.busname  they couldn't be found. Some services are dead and it waits for proc-sys-fs to be loaded
[08:16] <BinaryMaster> Question: I installed gnome3 on my 16.04 install but have one problem. Can anyone tell me how to remove the launcher thing that is on the left of my screen (screen shot: http://picpaste.com/desktop-6URTuKqk.png) it is not the dock at least not the same one that comes up when you press the super key
[08:17] <ducasse> Eightynine: is this 16.04?
[08:19] <Eightynine> No, it's 17.04
[08:21] <Guest15824> What should i know before dualbooting Windows and Ubuntu?
[08:21] <pd1> that data can be lost. @guest15824
[08:22] <tachikomas> Guest15824: Just read before starting, and you will not loss your data :)
[08:23] <Eightynine> How can I show you plot.svg?
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> LOL BIRDSHIT
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> 420 BLAZE IT
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> I KILL FROGS
[08:23] <baggis> yo, im new here
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> BECAUSE THEY SAY RIBBIT
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> baggis: me too
[08:23] <un2him> Guest15824: have a plan before you start.  Backup everything in case of disaster
[08:23] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> baggis: do you like spamming channels?
[08:24] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> i crapflood this channel with spammy shit
[08:24] <ikevin> Eightynine, convert it to png ( https://cloudconvert.com/svg-to-png ) then send it to the cloud
[08:24] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> a phenomenon known as shitposting
[08:24] <baggis> im just what some simple installation help :P anyone ?
[08:24] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> baggis: type "/join #freenode" and then "nigger whore"
[08:25] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> We are all here for the lulz
[08:25] <ducasse> !dualboot | Guest15824
[08:25] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> you can go crawl up a buffalo's butt crack if that offends you!
[08:25] <beginner> Hi all .. I am typing "gnome-keyring-daemon &" every time boot after uninstalling kde, unity8.
[08:25] <beginner> Help me plz!
[08:25] <YankDownUnder> !spam
[08:26] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> !spam
[08:26] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> !ops why dont i spam?
[08:26] <WEEDSMOKERLOL69> !ops | why dont i spam?
[08:27] <ducasse> !ask | baggis
[08:28] <YankDownUnder> baggis: What "simple installation help"?
[08:30] <Guest15824> Should i verify all Checksums of the Ubuntu ISO after Download?
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> Guest15824: Always.
[08:30] <tachikomas> Guest15824: it's better yes.
[08:30] <beginner> My problem is that "/ usr / bin / gnome-keyring-daemon - start --components = ssh" does not apply. So i type "gnome-keyring-daemon &" every time.
[08:31] <FManTX> I think my system is being overloaded by bittorrent
[08:31] <ducasse> beginner: add it to startup services in your desktop settings
[08:32] <Guest15824> Should i use an LTS or a Normal Version of Ubuntu?
[08:32] <ducasse> Guest15824: lts if you need to ask
[08:33] <YankDownUnder> LTS will be the better bet - for testing, learning, stability, support...and overall knowledge, really.
[08:33] <FManTX> someone from the Seychelles is downloading 17.04 from me (among many others)
[08:34] <ikevin> FManTX, why downloading for you?
[08:34] <FManTX> that's not quite what I said
[08:34] <Guest15824> Can i not use 17.04 instead?
[08:34] <beginner> ducasse: I put it in the startup service, but I have to enter the password every time. This is too uncomfortable.
[08:34] <YankDownUnder> With LTS you get free a free box with every pizza you order.
[08:34] <ducasse> Guest15824: yes, you can
[08:35] <ikevin> FManTX, oh sorry, i've bad read what you wrote
[08:35] <FManTX> heheh
[08:35] <FManTX> (I am seeding the torrents)
[08:36] <DJones> Guest15824: You can use 17.04, although because its not an LTS release, you would need to upgrade to 17.10 in 9 months to continue getting security updates, with 16.04LTS, you wouldn't need to upgrade for 5 years unless you want to
[08:36] <Guest15824> Why should i verify the ISO after Download?
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> Guest15824: Data corruption is always an issue - doesn't matter how great your link is...it's always wise to double check and verify.
[08:37] <Guest15824> OK.
[08:38] <FManTX> what was the URL to the page with the SHA hashes for release images?
[08:40] <Guest15824> How can i find out if i have GRUB or GRUB2 on Ubuntu?
[08:40] <ducasse> Guest15824: you have grub2
[08:41] <anddam> that was easy
[08:42] <YankDownUnder> What version of lilo am I using? (JOKE)
[08:42] <pd1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes FManTX
[08:42] <Guest15824> Which Files should i backup from my Windows Partition before dualbooting Windows and Ubuntu?
[08:42] <ducasse> Guest15824: now you're doing what you were doing yesterday that very nearly got you banned. do you actually want support or are you just asking random questions?
[08:42] <pd1> everything you might need again
[08:43] <jink> Guest15824: The short answer is what pd1 said.  Anything you can't afford to lose.
[08:44] <Guest15824> And i'm asking for Support.
[08:44] <FManTX> thanks, pd1
[08:44] <bazhang> Guest15824, please give the exact details of your support needs, all on one line
[08:45] <tomreyn> Gues15824: ...and consider changing your nickname which is not so generic, just because it makes addressing you a lot easier (tab completion).
[08:46] <Guest15824> I only want to know which Files i should backup from my Windows Partition and I don't to be trolling again.
[08:46] <tachikomas> Hello there ! In my chronicles about a clean dmesg, i see a lot of : SystemIO range 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000052F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000057F (\_SB.PCI0.LPC.LPIO) (20160422/utaddress-255) on dmesg.
[08:46] <tomreyn> i meant to write: ...and consider changing your nickname to one which is not so generic, just because it makes addressing you a lot easier (tab completion).
[08:46] <tachikomas> I search a little on google, but i dont understand why i have this kind of messages.
[08:47] <farhantea> hello
[08:47] <ducasse> Guest15824: you got an answer - everything you can't lose
[08:47] <zero-crypto> yap
[08:47] <Guest15824> OK and thanks for this Answer. I will backup all my Data.
[08:48] <bazhang> !info etckeeper
[08:48] <tomreyn> Guest15824: which files to backup for a windows system is a question best asked in a windows audience. surely someone here uses windows, too, but you'd better ask this very question in ##windows or elsewhere.
[08:48] <bazhang> tachikomas, is that a hardware error
[08:48] <tachikomas> bazhang: ACPI_Warning
[08:49] <bazhang> tachikomas, in future please use a paste
[08:49] <tachikomas> bazhang: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24379085/
[08:49] <tachikomas> more here
[08:50] <ducasse> tachikomas: have you tried the acpi page on the wiki?
[08:51] <tachikomas> Yep. Still not working
[08:52] <Guest15824> How can i install the GRUB Bootloader so that doesn't overwrites the Windows MBR?
[08:54] <ducasse> Guest15824: using a usb stick was suggested yesterday, iirc...
[08:54] <tachikomas> ducasse: i can stop acpi on boot.. but i dont want to do something i dont know, or fix it without understanding what i'm doing :)
[08:55] <ducasse> tachikomas: have you tried ##linux?
[08:55] <p3rror> Hello
[08:55] <tachikomas> Nope :)
[08:55] <p3rror> I have an issue with my dhclient
[08:55] <tomreyn> tachikomas: most of the time, ACPI warnings on boot are best just left alone and ignored.
[08:55] <p3rror> I can not get a reply from dhcp server
[08:56] <tachikomas> So, i will not have a clean SystemD boot log :D
[08:56] <tachikomas> And the last of them : [    2.549090] tpm tpm0: A TPM error (6) occurred attempting to read a pcr value
[08:56] <tachikomas> [    2.549091] ima: No TPM chip found, activating TPM-bypass!
[08:56] <p3rror> and I think that the dhcp request is not send at all here a screenshot
[08:56] <p3rror> https://imagebin.ca/v/3J1b4J1CVRpN
[08:56] <tomreyn> tachikomas: you could try a bios update, which may improve the situation, or may do nothing, or may make it worse.
[08:56] <tachikomas> tomreyn: i will let acpi like that
[08:57] <alance> Hello,I install win 10 and ubuntu systems in my computer. But the ubuntu have only 50G. I want to give ubuntu more spaces. What should I do? Thanks.
[08:57] <smokey-screen> alance: drop Win 10
[08:57] <tomreyn> tachikomas: here are some more things you could try (but i really would not even spend any time on that) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97974/how-do-i-remove-acpi-warning-on-boot
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !behelpful | smokey-screen
[08:58] <tachikomas> thanks tomreyn / ducasse
[08:58] <smokey-screen> lotuspsychje, ubottu : fair plaly
[08:58] <smokey-screen> *play
[08:58] <bazhang> smokey-screen, take the chatter elsewhere please
[08:59] <tomreyn> alance: you could use the utilities windows provides to shrink your existing partitions, so you'll end up with unpartitioned space. this can then be added to an existing linux partition, and the file system there can be increased.
[09:00] <tomreyn> alance: the second part could be done from a live boot media such as gparted-live
[09:01] <alance> I have to use MS word to complete my master paper. And my school don't allowed us to use tex. So I can't drop win10 now.
[09:01] <smokey-screen> alance: as well as the builtin utilities in windows there are a number of opensource, freeware softwares to prvide a nice gui. can make it easier
[09:02] <tomreyn> alance: if your computer is powerful enough, you could run windows in a (desktop virtualization) VM, in seamless mode, under ubuntu.
[09:03] <YankDownUnder> I wrote several of my school assessments in LibreOffice...didn't seem to bother anyone...
[09:05] <ducasse> alance: if there is free space on the disk before or after the linux partition you can resize it. you should back up first, though.
[09:05] <smokey-screen> I have found the migration from MS to open source (ubuntu) relatively easy. like YankDownUnder said, cross compatibility is kinda the standard now
[09:05] <YankDownUnder> (and a PDF is a PDF - regardless of OS)
[09:07] <tomreyn> chances are his master thesis will need to be provided in docx format, and will be edited by both him and his / her prof (if just annotations)
[09:08] <YankDownUnder> Ain't had any issues with writing in DOC or DOCX...but that's me...whatever.
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> !chat | YankDownUnder
[09:10] <alance> I have tried to install a win 10 in vbox. But there is a problem. When I convert my paper(format .doc) to pdf using MS word 2013, the euqation(created by Mathtype) becomes very small.
[09:10] <YankDownUnder> Was trying to "help" - apologies if I overstepped a boundary.
[09:12] <smokey-screen> alance: can i ask how you are converting to PDF?
[09:15] <Ben64> alance: ...how is that an ubuntu issue?
[09:16] <alance> I convert doc file to pdf by using MS word 2013 directely in win10 of vbox.
[09:16] <Ben64> alance: ok, none of that is ubuntu
[09:17] <alance> Sorry,Ben64, I'm offtopic.
[09:21] <mastoa> hey guys
[09:21] <mastoa> installing fresh ubuntu to host shell for few friends
[09:21] <mastoa> something good to know for security etc?
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> !security | mastoa
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: clamav, rkhunter, fail2ban (for ssh)
[09:22] <mastoa> oh yes fail2ban is god
[09:22] <mastoa> rkhunter is new?
[09:22] <alance> ducasse. After I back up, what should I do? Reinstall the ubuntu?
[09:22] <mastoa> lotuspsychje: clamav to scan for files eh?
[09:22] <mastoa> is clamav any good?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> !info rkhunter | mastoa
[09:23] <mastoa> and how does one work, does it just delete files or report somehow?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: yes, that database is pretty up to date
[09:23] <mastoa> will it handle for example sality?
[09:24] <ducasse> alance: you can just resize the partition if there is free space next to it
[09:24] <alance> Oh, I see. Thanks. ducasse.
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: i think it will pick it up
[09:28] <mastoa> how does it work when it seen a virus?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: i suggest you test it for yourself, o nice pc scan
[09:29] <ducasse> !virus | mastoa
[09:29] <mastoa> when clamav is installed, does it need much attention to run updated?
[09:30] <ducasse> mastoa: install freshclam to automate updates
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: the key to safer security, is to keep your system up to date at all times also
[09:33] <selsperr> ok so I just downloaded the java jdk binaries from the website, how to install?
[09:34] <tomreyn> mastoa: focus primarily on preventative measures, detection is also important but secondary. i.e., think about which hardening measures to take first, (only) then focus on how to detect when an attack has overcome the hardening.
[09:34] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java selsperr
[09:34] <selsperr> ty
[09:34] <mastoa> yeah i have a strict firewall with it
[09:35] <tomreyn> that's a good start, but far from enough especially on a multi user system where accounts can get comrpomised (or you could have malicious users).
[09:36] <tomreyn> think about which services you're making available to the Internet and to others in general, and how to harden / protect each of them.
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> +1 tomreyn
[09:41] <mastoa> well the clamav is good for some places if it really works and is not hard to set
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis | mastoa also nice to scan
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: this tool can help to have an overview
[09:51] <mastoa> component universe?
[09:51] <mastoa> release name
[09:51] <mastoa> ?
[09:51] <EriC^^> mastoa: that's the repository name
[09:54] <Degos734> Hello
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> Degos734: welcome, how can we assist you?
[09:55] <fox__> hello
[09:55] <fox__> world
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> fox__: welcome, how can we help?
[09:56] <Degos734> Please can you help me to find a chat for chatting
[09:56] <ducasse> !chat | Degos734
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> Degos734: an ubuntu chat, or a regular chat?
[09:57] <ikonia> Degos734: join #freenode and ask for help using IRC and searching for channels
[09:57] <Degos734> ubuntu chat
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Degos734
[09:58] <Degos734> Ok
[09:58] <mastoa> what do you guys thinkg about ubuntu vs debian?
[09:58] <mastoa> and about apt-get vs aptitude
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: not in this channel please
[09:58] <ikonia> mastoa: not really ontopic
[09:58] <mastoa> should i install aptitude?
[09:58] <mastoa> ok sorry
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: see the discuss channel above here ¨^
[09:59] <Lavinho> good morning
[09:59] <Lavinho> rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04
[09:59] <Lavinho> ?
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: and your question is what exactly?
[10:00] <ikonia> try to ask a question
[10:00] <ikonia> thats not a question
[10:00] <Lavinho> not function
[10:00] <mastoa> lotuspsychje: right
[10:00] <Lavinho> not detected
[10:00] <mastoa> what about the apt-get vs aptitude? why does ubuntu come with apt-get and not aptitude also
[10:00] <Degos734> I thinck that Ubuntu is based on Debian so if you want an user-friendly distro chose Ubuntu If you want learn more about GNU/Linux disribution Debian is a correct choose
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: what did we just suggested to you?
[10:01] <ikonia> Degos734: thats nonsnse
[10:01] <ikonia> nonsense
[10:01] <mastoa> lotuspsychje: right
[10:01] <Lavinho> lotuspsychje: driver ubuntu 17.04
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: system up to date to latest?
[10:01] <FManTX> I heard arch is the correct choice to learn how Linux works
[10:01] <Lavinho> yes
[10:02] <ikonia> FManTX: nope
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> !realtek | Lavinho tested newer firmware/driver updates?
[10:02] <Degos734> Ok guys where i found drivers for an ethernet card
[10:03] <ikonia> Degos734: what make/model
[10:04] <mender27> I have the following problem - I'm using a Ubuntu 16.04 LTS based distribution. There is a known bug in swig3.0.8 that makes it useless for converting C/C++ code to Python modules. The only swig3.0 version available in xenial and xenial-backports 3.0.8. How did this come to be and how can I address the problem?
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> Lavinho: did your wifi work on other ubuntu releases? did you update or clean install?
[10:04] <Lavinho> yes
[10:05] <ducasse> mender27: which distro?
[10:05] <ikonia> mender27: we dont support ubuntu based distros
[10:05] <Lavinho> but other versions system crash
[10:05] <xheart> hi everyone.
[10:05] <mender27> ducasse: Peppermint 7, but it's irrelevant, because the Ubuntu base has the same problem.
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> xheart: welcome, how can we help you?
[10:06] <xheart> i need to do an update and it says to go to -a
[10:06] <ikonia> mender27: it's not irrelevant
[10:06] <mender27> ikonia: the problem is the package in the original Ubuntu repos, which this distro uses.
[10:06] <ikonia> mender27: please use peppermint support
[10:06] <xheart> i have 16.04lts and kubuntu
[10:06] <ikonia> mender27: that doesn't change anything
[10:06] <xheart> how i go to -a?
[10:06] <xheart> N: There are 2 additional versions. Please use the '-a' switch to see them
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> xheart: can you pastebin whats really happening?
[10:06] <ikonia> mender27: raise the problem via peppermint support and they can deal with their upstream provider
[10:06] <ikonia> (ubuntu in this case)
[10:06] <xheart> i am checking updates available
[10:07] <mender27> ikonia: erm...how does it change the nature of the problem? Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has a buggy swig 3.0 package.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> !latest | mender27
[10:07] <mender27> heh.
[10:07] <ikonia> mender27: how the distro uses packages and the changes it does/does not make is not ubuntu's problem
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> mender27: if something doesnt work right, please consider a new !bug
[10:08] <Steve2> hello, i just upgraded to xubuntu 17.04, and it won't load any kernel i try.  the error message  is  "WARNING  failed to connect to lvmetad.  FAlling back to device scanning.     Volume groupt "xubuntu-vg" not found    cannot process volume groupe xubuntu-vg
[10:08] <ikonia> mender27: if ubuntus package has a problem, log a bug against the package, if your distro can't use the package/can't use a fix, thats your distros problem to resolve with it's upstream provider
[10:08] <mender27> lotuspsychje: the bug was already reported on launchpad and a supposed fix was provided, but it's not in the xenial repos.
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> mender27: got an url on that bug plz?
[10:08] <xheart> ok so if an update is really necesary it will let me know to download it?
[10:08] <mender27> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swig/+bug/1628974
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> mender27: did you report yourself as 'affected'?
[10:09] <xheart> no
[10:09] <mender27> lotuspsychje: no, I did not as I don't have an account on launchpad just yet.
[10:09] <ziggy> crtl+1
[10:09] <Cmaj6> Hi, i have google chrome as my default webbrowser. Whenever I click on a link in some other application (for example, clicking a link to verify my emailaddres in an email opened in Thunderbird), a chrome window with the default home page (which in my case is an empty window) is opened instead of the actual link. Wut too doo?
[10:09] <ikonia> that doesn't look like a backport fix
[10:09] <Steve2> this problem started when i Clonezilla'd my system drive, and plugged it back in (something about the Clone HDD having the same UID)
[10:09] <ikonia> that just looks like an update
[10:10] <Steve2> from that point on, i was able to boot from the same kernel, but never a new one....   now this 17.04, gives the same error message, even for the 'old' kernel   :*(
[10:10] <mender27> Oh well. then I guess I can either build swig3.0 myself or do a dist-upgrade to 17.04.
[10:12] <xheart> thanks for the clarification. you are great!
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> mender27: i suggest add yourself affected to the bug, the more users affected, more chance of solving
[10:12] <mender27> lotuspsychje: erm, but the bug was already fixed. It's just that the fix was not backported to xenial for whatever reason.
[10:12] <xheart> ok thanks lotus
[10:13] <xheart> and mender27
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> mender27: even then, you help the community adding yourself affected
[10:13] <ducasse> xheart: lotuspsychje is talking to someone else
[10:14] <mender27> lotuspsychje: fine then, I'll do that :). Thank you for your time.
[10:14] <ducasse> xheart: just add -a to the commend you ran
[10:14] <Steve2> i have LUKS encryption, also
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> mender27: perhaps when you explain the whole story to the bug, devs will push it fixxed to the repos
[10:15] <mender27> lotuspsychje: have a look at the original bug report. Everything is already written there.
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> mender27: i know, but still 3 users affected still..
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> mender27: your add 'could' make a difference
[10:16] <mender27> lotuspsychje: I'll see what I can do.
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> mender27: good luck!
[10:17] <mender27> lotuspsychje, ikonia: thanks for the support!
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> mender27: swig version on zesty is at 3.0.10
[10:18] <mender27> lotuspsychje: yes, I noticed. It's the same as on Debian Testing and Sid.
[10:19] <boboma> hello. using ubuntu 17.04. some settings for touchpad seem to be gone. I cannot disable click-function for the touchpad. In 16.10 the option was still there. How comes?
[10:20] <mender27> lotuspsychje: I could do a dist-upgrade to 17.04 Zesty, but I would rather stay with an LTS.
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | mender27 perhaps try this on LTS?
[10:21] <bejo> hayi
[10:21] <bejo> hai
[10:21] <mender27> lotuspsychje: that would be mixing packages from different major releases. Not a good idea I think :D.
[10:24] <raffi> can anyone help me? I have a dual screen setup on ubuntu 16 ... everytime my computer wakes up from sleeping mode all the windows are relocated in my main screen
[10:25] <mender27> lotuspsychje: I added myself as "affected" to the bug report and commented.
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> mender27: lemme check mate
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> mender27: very goos stated mate, im sure that wont be unnoticed
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> *good
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> mender27: if you dont catch up changes in the next weeks, perhaps re-ask the #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-release guys
[10:29] <mender27> lotuspsychje: well, I wanted to make it clear that it's an issue that needs to be fixed pronto ;).
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> mender27: well let the devs do their work, ang give them a little time also
[10:30] <mender27> lotuspsychje: yeah ,yeah, no worries. I'm a dev myself and I know what it means.
[10:31] <mender27> lotuspsychje: I just need a temp solution for my project, which I'm looking for at the moment.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> mender27: i understand
[10:34] <mender27> lotuspsychje: so I checked and the Zesty version is compatible with other packages from Xenial version-wise.
[10:34] <mender27> lotuspsychje: yup, installed and good to go :).
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> mender27: yeah but its recommended not to mix package version son ubuntu
[10:35] <mender27> lotuspsychje: I know and I am aware that it's one of the "don't do" defined already in the Debian docs.
[10:36] <mender27> I need to go, sorry! Cheers! o/
[10:43] <mastoa> how can i run clamav on a samba share everytime someone adds files?
[10:45] <bekks> you dont want that. Image someone copies over 1000 files at once. That would run clamav 1000 times.
[10:45] <bekks> mastoa: Use a cron job instead.
[10:45] <mastoa> well true
[10:46] <mastoa> but lets say if a virus lies on the share for 24 hours, is it useful?
[10:46] <bekks> Run your cron job more often then?
[10:50] <mastoa> sure, but still the virus has time to spread, right?
[10:51] <bekks> Thats why you have a cron job and a backup, yes.
[10:51] <alkisg> mastoa: if you want real time scanning, use a real time antivirus
[10:52] <alkisg> Don't abuse an offline antivirus into making it an online one, its performance will suck
[10:52] <mastoa> alkisg: but is it possible to have it on samba share?
[10:52] <mastoa> okay
[10:52] <alkisg> !virus
[10:52] <alkisg> See available antivirus there
[10:52] <bekks> mastoa: There are realtime scanners which scan network shares as well.
[10:53] <alkisg> It's usually best to scan in local files systems and not in remote, for efficiency; i.e. try to install an antivirus in the samba server itself
[10:54] <mastoa> alkisg: thats what i want. install the antivir on the samba server
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> mastoa: see also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SecuringSamba
[10:57] <mastoa> thanks
[11:10] <un2him> FManTX: on distrowatch.com they have links to the sha sums for each ubuntu distribution
[11:11] <bazhang> !hashes | FManTX
[11:11] <vampineko> hola
[11:17] <MoPac> Hello. In doing the 16.10 --> 17.04 upgrade, is there a way to get a verbose readout of why a package is marked for removal? The updater wants to remove qgis and pythong-qgis, and I'd like to pin down what the conflict is...
[11:18] <Eightynine> Please, help me, I had problems with Ubuntu 16.04 and decided to update to 17.04. It fixed flickering but I've got problems with internet, very long boot and stability issues (memory leaks, crashes). How to fix that?
[11:19] <taralej> MoPac:
[11:19] <taralej> remove
[11:19] <MoPac> taralej: ?
[11:20] <tomreyn> Eightynine: how did you upgrade?
[11:21] <Eightynine> It didn't want to upgrade from dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade and I had to replace xenial with zesty in sources.list
[11:21] <tomreyn> okay, reinstall
[11:21] <sspencer> Eightynine: That's gonna be a reinstall.
[11:22] <Eightynine> Does it work good for you guys? Have you ever had problems with upgrades?
[11:23] <tomreyn> supported upgrades usually work for me. sometimes they fail int he middle, but luckily i know how to recover from it.
[11:23] <taralej> problems is parameters of system
[11:23] <sspencer> Eightynine: Works fine here. Your method of upgrade was a bad one.
[11:23] <YankDownUnder> Did I read that correctly? Didn't want to upgrade from dist-upgrade or do-release upgrade? So you edited the sources.list...hmm...
[11:23] <taralej> hardwear my system work
[11:23] <tomreyn> (and i have a bunch of non standard packages so its totally expectable that something can go wrong since this situation can't be tested)
[11:23] <Eightynine> It always gave me problems when upgrading. But I had only problems with internet after upgrade.
[11:24]  * YankDownUnder is going back to reading...vastly more interesting in the Discworld than in THIS world...
[11:24] <tomreyn> maybe you should try to dfiagnose those instead of trying unsupported upgrades
[11:25] <taralej> upgreat not use not regulear repos
[11:25] <tomreyn> huh?
[11:26] <taralej> just suspend
[11:26] <acresearch> hello people
[11:26] <bazhang> taralej, thats not helpful at all
[11:26] <taralej> ok
[11:27] <Eightynine> Stupid Hexchat. YankDownUnder to be honest I had Elementary OS and it had buggy AppCenter. I decided to go to original Ubuntu. After removing all the Elementary stuff and installing Unity I've got Ubuntu. But some stuff from Elementary remained and lsb_release appeared to be broken. That's why I had problems with update manager and that's why my system didn't want to upgrade using dist-upgrade or do-release upgrade
[11:27] <taralej> i use 17.04 alpha work
[11:27] <taralej> 2 systems
[11:27] <bazhang> taralej, its not alpha
[11:28] <taralej> this version but i am bann
[11:28] <taralej> is final
[11:28] <taralej> ok
[11:28] <bazhang> taralej, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for chatter NOT here
[11:29] <sspencer> Eightynine: You have a disaster. Just reinstall fresh.
[11:29] <taralej> i am bann
[11:29] <Eightynine> How do you think is that normal to use 17.04?
[11:30] <taralej> use proxy hahah lame
[11:30] <bazhang> taralej, stop
[11:30] <taralej> reaaly
[11:30] <bazhang> taralej, yes stop
[11:30] <taralej> why
[11:30] <YankDownUnder> sspencer: Like a disaster that bought a Ford Pinto, drove it backwards into a wall, exploded into a larger disaster, then triggered a small nuclear device nearby - kinda disaster...with whipped cream on top. :)
[11:31] <bazhang> taralej, this is ubuntu support ONLY
[11:31] <Eightynine> Is that correct to ask about Ubuntu MATE here?
[11:31] <taralej> i use ubuntu 6.04 lts
[11:31] <sspencer> YankDownUnder: And that's putting it mildly.
[11:31] <ducasse> taralej: you know you should not be here, you are evading a ban
[11:31] <YankDownUnder> sspencer: It's late at night...I was trying to be "soft" :)
[11:31] <troodon_> What's the best text mode browser in Ubuntu repos?
[11:32] <sspencer> YankDownUnder: Lol.
[11:32] <taralej> chromium
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !info links2 | troodon_
[11:33] <Eightynine> Is there any news about Ubuntu future? Some people not sure about it and thinking of switching to other distributions. They think Ubuntu is dying.
[11:33] <pqeriort> hi
[11:33] <pqeriort> why can't I use google earth properly?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Eightynine
[11:33] <pqeriort> It can't search my requested cities, and open them?
[11:34] <pqeriort> Wat should I do to make it work properly?
[11:34] <YankDownUnder> Ubuntu dying? Not in the next five/six/ten years...
[11:34] <brainwash> why would the most popular server distro die? :)
[11:34] <pqeriort> Anyone here, to clarify my question?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !patience | pqeriort
[11:35] <Eightynine> Thank you for answer. And what about Ubuntu MATE 17.04? Is it stable?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> Eightynine: what did i just suggested you?
[11:35] <taralej> bazhang: thanks
[11:36] <brainwash> pqeriort: I would ask the google support
[11:36] <Eightynine> You told me to reinstall. I want to choose what should I install to get good experience.
[11:37] <bazhang> Eightynine, then ask ##linux
[11:37] <brainwash> Eightynine: it should be stable
[11:37] <bazhang> Eightynine, here we will always recommend ubuntu
[11:37] <ducasse> Eightynine: just pick your favorite ubuntu flavor, if you want stable choose lts.
[11:37] <brainwash> Eightynine: the ubuntu MATE team certainly makes sure that things are running well
[11:38] <YankDownUnder> I was going to suggest Mandrake, then Mandriva - but I realised THEY'RE DEAD...so Ubuntu it is! ;)
[11:38] <brainwash> !mate
[11:39] <pqeriort> brainwash:  google support , if it is free, the only I would go for it???????
[11:39] <Eightynine> The reason I updated to 17.04 is that it had newer X and Mesa and I got rid of that awful flickering.
[11:40] <pqeriort> brainwash: doese it work for you good, the google earth , is it beacause I am on 32bit?
[11:40] <YankDownUnder> 32-bit? OMG...right...NIGHT FOLKS...that's my sign off...
[11:41] <Eightynine> Any Ubuntu LTS always worked bad for me since 14.04.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> pqeriort: , not sure but I think  google is still 32 bit itself
[11:42] <BluesKaj> google earth
[11:42] <brainwash> pqeriort: I don't use google earth. you could ask in #google and see if someone knows how to debug your issue
[11:43] <sabrehagen> I'm unfamiliar with makefiles. How do I uninstall this program? Here's my makefile: https://gist.github.com/sabrehagen/a637bf85073b15a330cfbe5fa282539f
[11:44] <brainwash> sabrehagen: https://cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ#Can_I_do_.22make_uninstall.22_with_CMake.3F
[11:45] <sabrehagen> brainwash: thank you
[11:47] <someusername> Hi. I've set up an openvpn server that allows port forwarding, and it's working just great. However, I don't want all users of the server to forward their traffic through it. Is it possible to drop/reject forwarding using UFW from certain CIDRs?
[11:47] <amosbird> Hi, Is it possible to turn my mouse middle button to a Shift_L key?
[11:48] <someusername> I do want them to be able to access the LAN, just not the world.
[11:49] <ducasse> amosbird: check out xbindkeys
[11:51] <amosbird> ducasse: that doesn't seem reliable
[11:52] <amosbird> do you mean combining with xdotool?
[11:52] <ducasse> amosbird: something like that, yes.
[11:53] <ShadowZ> w: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays
[11:53] <ShadowZ> what is with that??
[11:54] <MoPac> Hello. In doing the 16.10 --> 17.04 upgrade, is there a way to get a verbose readout of why a package is marked for removal? The updater wants to remove qgis and pythong-qgis, and I'd like to pin down what the conflict is...
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: its recommended to do what the updater asks to do
[11:55] <ducasse> ShadowZ: did you expect it to find any arrays?
[11:57] <MoPac> lotuspsychje: I need that program, though, so this is blocking the upgrade for me until I know I can get it reinstalled on the other end. If the conflict is real and intractable, I need to stay on 16.10 until devs fix it. If it's conflicting with something I don't really need or can get a newer version of manually, then I can go forward. But I need to be ale to ID the conflict itsel first
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: did you add ppa's of any kind?
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: both yakkety and zesty look like to have the qgis package
[12:00] <MoPac> lotuspsychje: Yes, I have a fair few third-party sources, including getting the QGIS package directly (the Ubuntu-packaged versions tend to be pretty out of date. It's 4 minor releases behind at this point).
[12:00] <ShadowZ> ducasse: no
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> !latest | MoPac
[12:01] <ShadowZ> ducasse: i dont have any array
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria
[12:01] <ioria> hi lotuspsychje
[12:01] <ShadowZ> ducasse: how can i get rid of this message??
[12:01] <ioria> lotuspsychje  on 17.04 ?
[12:01] <MoPac> lotuspsychje: I think we're getting away from the question at hand, though. How can I see *which* package upgrade is breaking a dependency for my version of qgis or python-qgis?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: ppapurge your versions before upgrade first
[12:02] <ducasse> ShadowZ: just remove mdadm
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> ioria: no, sticking on LTS here :p
[12:02] <ioria> lotuspsychje  ok
[12:03] <ShadowZ> ducasse: u mean just delete the file??
[12:03] <ShadowZ> ducasse: or uninstall it
[12:03] <MoPac> lotuspsychje: I don't want to downgrade purge my qgis installs. I use it heavily and I'd rather stick with 16.10 for a while if it comes to that. But the whole point of my question here is that the package conflict may not actually be a big deal. I may be able to work around it while still upgrading, but I just need to access the information the upgrade manager has about the conflict.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: you get dependecy issues when adding ppa's and try to update...
[12:04] <ducasse> ShadowZ: uninstall it
[12:04] <ShadowZ> ducasse: ok.. thanks..
[12:06] <puffer> #sha2017
[12:06] <ducasse> MoPac: what you're trying to do is known to cause problems, so nobody here wants to spend time debugging it. just ppa-purge the repo and try the upgrade after that.
[12:07] <MangaD> hello, I have upgraded to zesty but ubuntu-software is not showing on the launcher :(
[12:08] <MoPac> ducasse: I don't think I need anybody to spend time debugging it. I certainly haven't asked for anything like that at this point. All I've done is ask a question about accessing a verbose readout from the update manager
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> MoPac: verbose..to trying understand why you getting dependecy errors?
[12:09] <ducasse> MoPac: there's not much you can do there until after the upgrade
[12:10] <MoPac> ducasse: Right, and I've dealt with that sort of thing before. But surely, pre-upgrade, the manager itself knows *why* it needs package X removed, which dependency it sees is going to break
[12:10] <MoPac> But the GUI only shows "packages to be removed" without that accompanying information. It must be there, though, so I just want to know if/how it can be seen
[12:11] <MoPac> That could also help me tell the program devs - "hey, this dependency is blocking a 17.04 upgrade" without actually having to go through with the upgrade first
[12:11] <DovakinPoulet> Bonjour tout le monde !
[12:12] <DovakinPoulet> J'ai un netbook à côté de moi sur lequel j'essaie d'installer Xubuntu. Donc j'ai paramétré le BIOS pour qu'il boot sur une clef USB connectée à l'ordi et sur lequel j'ai une image de l'ISO de Xubuntu 1604
[12:12] <MangaD> Can anyone give me their ubuntu-software launcher please?
[12:12] <DJones> !fr | DovakinPoulet
[12:12] <Guest11422> Can i use Ubuntu in german Language withoud installing it?
[12:13] <DovakinPoulet> Sorry, to complex to speak about it in english, thanks for reply anyway !
[12:14] <ioria> DovakinPoulet, how did you do the usb stick ?
[12:14] <ducasse> MangaD: you would need to manually alter the sources.list under yakkety first, update, then run down the dependencies with something like aptitude
[12:15] <MangaD> ducasse, I upgraded to zesty already
[12:15] <DovakinPoulet> ioria, i just dowloded the .iso file, and copy it to the usb
[12:16] <ioria> DovakinPoulet,  you can't simply copy an iso, you need to decompress it, with a software
[12:16] <ioria> DovakinPoulet,  rufus on windows, dd on linux, for example
[12:17] <DovakinPoulet> dd ?
[12:17] <DovakinPoulet> I'll try
[12:17] <impi> hey guys, and girls i hope your all doing well
[12:17] <impi> i want to upgrade my ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 - i have downloaded a ISO and made a startup disc
[12:18] <ioria> DovakinPoulet,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[12:18] <impi> but my current 14.04 is encrypted and I'm not sure what to do at the partitioning stage - obviously I want to kleep mly current data
[12:18] <impi> have you got any advice for me?
[12:22] <louarn> hi all . Someone knows varnish ?
[12:23] <impi> louarn, a bit, why do you ask?
[12:24] <ducasse> impi: you can't upgrade from cd/usb, you need to do it over the network
[12:24] <impi> ducasse, thanks for that - im a little scared to do that
[12:25] <impi> do you think i shouldnt worry and just do it?
[12:25] <Southern_Gentlem> impi,  backup anything you dont want to loose
[12:25] <ducasse> impi: are you using ppas/third party repos?
[12:25] <louarn> impi: I upgrade v3 to v4 but I have a problem
[12:26] <impi> ducasse, a few for php, chrome, and so on
[12:26] <impi> louarn, whats the issue...?
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: Message from VCC-compiler:
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: Assert error in vcc_IdIs(), vcc_token.c line 283:
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: Condition(t->tok == ID) not true.
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: errno = 9 (Bad file descriptor)
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: Running VCC-compiler failed, signal 6
[12:26] <ducasse> !ppa-purge | impi remove with this
[12:26] <louarn> Apr 14 13:44:58 myserver varnishd[35605]: VCL compilation failed
[12:26] <ducasse> !paste | louarn
[12:26] <impi> louarn, have you seen this? https://github.com/fgsch/varnish3to4
[12:27] <ioria> impi, the change from upstart to systemd can be traumatic ... if you don't want to deal with any kind of issues i suggest backup - fresh install
[12:27] <impi> oh right
[12:27] <impi> i see
[12:27] <louarn> impi: yes i used it
[12:28] <impi> i think i might try that
[12:29] <impi> hey louarn do this:
[12:29] <impi> Try running just varnishd -f /etc/varnish/default.vcl - this should show you any errors in loading your VCL.
[12:29] <impi> man, im in shock about unity being dropped
[12:30] <impi> i think thats why i want to upgrade to try get used to kde 5.8 plasma
[12:30] <impi> i can already hear my brother laughing at me
[12:30] <impi> since i always told him im a unity fan.....and his kde is buggy lol
[12:30] <impi> im never going to hear the end of it Thanks Mark Shuttleworth <3
[12:31] <server_> oi
[12:31] <server_> ola
[12:31] <server_> oi
[12:32] <soupnanodesukar> impi: kde can easily be made to look exactly like unity anyway
[12:32] <impi> lol i might do that and never tell him im running it
[12:32] <impi> good call
[12:36] <ecomaikgolf> Someone having troubles with xinput on Ubuntu 17.04??
[12:38] <ducasse> ecomaikgolf: ask your actual question
[12:38] <ecomaikgolf> "property 'Device Accel Velocity Scaling' doesn't exist"
[12:38] <ecomaikgolf> And mouse sens from ubuntu config doesn't do anything
[12:39] <ecomaikgolf> Mouse still too fast
[12:40] <ducasse> ecomaikgolf: have you tried xset?
[12:42] <ecomaikgolf> ducasse: No, i'm going to try it
[12:49] <ecomaikgolf> ducasse: xset m 99 0 doesn't do anything
[12:51] <selsper> trying to install java on ubuntu, cant figure out where to start
[12:51] <emk_> testing ubuntu mate 17.04
[12:51] <ducasse> !java | selsper
[12:53] <selsper> apturl isn't working
[13:00] <Blackmore> Hi all! How can I disable dnsmsasq on Ubuntu 17.04 so that the system uses the DNS servers specified by the DHCP server?
[13:00] <selsper> http://imgur.com/a/6hTzD
[13:00] <selsper> what does that mean
[13:01] <ThePendulum> This is disappointing :( The dual Dell monitor issue is still present in amdgpu in Ubuntu 17.04
[13:04] <ThePendulum> If I google my own issue, a thread I made half a year ago comes up >.>
[13:08] <Guest58866> Should i use Nano to edit Configuration Files in Ubuntu?
[13:13] <PipeItToDevNull> Blackmore, uninstall it
[13:13] <Blackmore> PipeItToDevNull: dnsmasq-base, you mean?
[13:13] <PipeItToDevNull> Blackmore, Or just change it's config, by default it is off
[13:13] <PipeItToDevNull> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dnsmasq
[13:14] <PipeItToDevNull> There is a section in the wiki on how to enable its DNS server, do that in reverse
[13:15] <ducasse> 17.04 uses resolved, afaik
[13:16] <HentaiMaster360x> how do i hide my ip from irc??
[13:17] <PipeItToDevNull> HentaiMaster360x, Register your nick then as for a cloak on #freenode channel
[13:17] <ppf> HentaiMaster360x: use a vpn or proxy or tor
[13:17] <PipeItToDevNull> ask for*
[13:18] <HentaiMaster360x> btw can you get tracked by government? my friend is crazy about hacking and he trolls anyone everytime
[13:19] <HentaiMaster360x> I'm worried about him so i think hiding his ip can help
[13:19] <PipeItToDevNull> HentaiMaster360x, Expand on that idea and someone may offer advice besides laughter
[13:24] <ducasse> !ot | HentaiMaster360x
[13:25] <HentaiMaster360x> Oh.. I'm still new to IRC chat
[13:27] <ducasse> PrweuREYtryeryRy: for irc support ask in #freenode
[13:27] <audie123> can I ask a support question?
[13:27] <ducasse> audie123: ask
[13:28] <audie123> thanks, I'm new to ubuntu and loaded 16.04.  Followed the directions for a dual boot so I could continue using Windows 10.  Now whenever I turn on my laptop only ubuntu boots.  How do I correct this?
[13:29] <PipeItToDevNull> audie123, most likely you just need edit grub
[13:29] <audie123> not sure how to do that
[13:30] <PipeItToDevNull> https://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[13:30] <audie123> i know about the shift key at boot time but what do I edit?
[13:30] <PipeItToDevNull> What the top answer says
[13:31] <audie123> ok
[13:35] <amenjesus> i am having a mysql installation error
[13:35] <amenjesus> The detecded system (ubuntu zesty) is not supported by MySQL.
[13:35] <amenjesus> What can I do?
[13:35] <ducasse> amenjesus: where are you installing it from?
[13:35] <amenjesus> a terminal
[13:35] <amenjesus> it's a vps
[13:36] <ducasse> amenjesus: where did you get it - how are you installing?
[13:36] <amenjesus> i got it off wget
[13:36] <ducasse> amenjesus: use mysql from the repos
[13:36] <amenjesus> installing it with dpkg
[13:37] <ppf> amenjesus: install it with apt
[13:37] <ducasse> amenjesus: 'sudo apt install mysql-server'
[13:37] <amenjesus> that's giving me an earlier version
[13:37] <amenjesus> Server version: 5.7.17-0ubuntu1 (Ubuntu)
[13:37] <ppf> yes
[13:38] <ducasse> amenjesus: the version you're trying to install is not supported
[13:38] <ducasse> !latest | amenjesus
[13:38] <Guest42538> hi folks, anyone knows what is Symbian syserror -33 about?? Using MIRGGI on Symbian 3, can't connect to any server.
[13:38] <ppf> symbian != ubuntu
[13:38] <amenjesus> okay that's good to know then
[13:39] <Menzador> Guest42538: I think you're looking for #symbian
[13:40] <Guest42538> Symbian moved to open source 2 years ago
[13:40] <Menzador> Guest42538: I still think you're looking for #symbian.
[13:40] <Guest42538> ok, try that $Symbian
[14:04] <Seburo> Hi.  I just ran the update to 17.04 from the terminal.  Post update I still have the older version of Thunderbird, no sign of nightlight and the ubuntu software store is looking a bit empty.  Any clues?
[14:06] <ppf> !info thunderbird zesty
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Seburo: how did you update?
[14:08] <Seburo> lotuspsychje: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> Seburo: lsb_release -a shows what?
[14:09] <ducasse> Seburo: which thunderbird version do you have? 'apt policy thunderbird'
[14:09] <Seburo> lotuspsyche: no lsb modules available, release 17.04 zesty
[14:10] <Seburo> ducasse: 1:45.08+build1-0ubuntu1
[14:10] <nacc> Seburo: that's the zesty version
[14:10] <nacc> Seburo: it was SRU'd to yakkety
[14:11] <Seburo> I thought zesty came with 52?
[14:11] <nacc> Seburo: so there's no change for thunderbird on upgrade
[14:11] <nacc> Seburo: no.
[14:11] <nacc> !info thunderbird zesty
[14:11] <ducasse> !latest | Seburo
[14:11] <nacc> Seburo: also, don't use ubuntu software center, but gnome software
[14:12] <Seburo> nacc: is ubuntu software being discontinued?
[14:13] <nacc> Seburo: iirc, 'software-center' doesn't exist in 17.04
[14:13] <nacc> Seburo: which means it might stick around from 16.10
[14:13] <nacc> !info software-center zesty
[14:13] <aruns> Hi.
[14:13] <nacc> !info software-center yakkety
[14:14] <nacc> Seburo: all the desktops have moved away from it, at this point, i believe
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> aruns: welcome, what can we do for you?
[14:14] <nacc> Seburo: i *think* autoremove should remove it
[14:15] <aruns> lotuspsychje: Quick question, on Ubuntu 16.04, looking to upgrade to OpenGL 3, wondering which PPA I need?
[14:15] <nacc> !ppa | aruns
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> aruns: we dont support ppa's here mate sorry
[14:15] <Seburo> nacc: So ubuntu does not come with a software app by default?  I do not seem to have gnome software installed, just 3.227 of Ubuntu Software.
[14:15] <aruns> Ah OK, thanks all the same :)
[14:16] <aruns> Is OpenGL 3 not in any of the partner repositories?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> aruns: its recommended to use package versions, for the specific ubuntu version
[14:16] <aruns> lotuspsychje: OpenGL 3 doesn't seem to be available yet in any of the main packages.
[14:16] <nacc> Seburo: iirc, ubuntu-desktop recommends ubuntu-software which depends on gnome-software
[14:16] <nacc> Seburo: did you happen to delete the -desktop metapakcage?
[14:17] <aruns> Running glxinfo | grep OpenGL gives me this line which I presume is the OpenGL version number: OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 17.1.0-devel
[14:17] <Seburo> nacc: Not as far as I am aware, no
[14:17] <plasticfish> does software center install snaps on 17.04?
[14:18] <plasticfish> I mean "Ubuntu Software"
[14:18] <Kobaz> Ham62: how's it going
[14:19] <nacc> plasticfish: don't use 'ubuntu software' on 17.04
[14:20] <nacc> plasticfish: but yes, i think it does
[14:20] <nacc> Seburo: can you check?
[14:20] <Seburo> nacc: how do I do that?
[14:20] <nacc> Seburo: are you on stock ubuntu -- or ubuntu gnome or kubuntu, etc?
[14:20] <Seburo> nacc: stock ubuntu
[14:20] <nacc> Seburo: try `sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop`
[14:22] <Seburo> nacc: I am told that I am already using the latest version.
[14:22] <nacc> Seburo: have you modified your apt config to not install recommends by any chance?
[14:22] <nacc> Seburo: can you pastebin `apt-cache policy gnome-software` ?
[14:23] <steven> mornings, I've added a repository and now apt says
[14:23] <steven> ± apt update Reading package lists... Done E: Method mirror has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process mirror received a segmentation fault.
[14:23] <steven> its deb mirror:// .. first time seeing this so, is this a legit thing or a big or am I working wrong with the mirrors?
[14:24] <Seburo> nacc: https://pastebin.com/xV7qVnLD
[14:24] <Seburo> nacc: would not know how to modify the apt config
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> steven: added wich repo?
[14:25] <nacc> Seburo: ok :)
[14:25] <nacc> Seburo: well you have gnome software then :)
[14:25] <nacc> Seburo: it's called "software" in the dash
[14:26] <steven> lotuspsychje: deb mirror://mirrorlist.gerritforge.com/deb gerrit contrib
[14:27] <AndroUser> Dhhd
[14:27] <Seburo> nacc:  I have "ubuntu software"
[14:27] <nacc> Seburo: from a terminal, can you run `/usr/bin/gnome-software` ?
[14:28] <Seburo> nacc: Ubuntu Software opens
[14:29] <nacc> Seburo: ok, `sudo apt remove software-center` and see if it corrects?
[14:29] <nacc> Seburo: if not, we can fix it from there
[14:31] <Seburo> nacc: no change.  Software-center is not installed.
[14:32] <nacc> Seburo: oh wait ... sorry
[14:32] <nacc> Seburo: 'ubuntu software' is not 'ubuntu software center
[14:33] <Seburo> nacc: I have the orange "shopping bag" icon on the unity sidebar labelled "Ubuntu Software".
[14:34] <dudeji> if i do reboot on ubuntu , then do all nohup service & will die or they will restart after restart ?
[14:34] <dudeji> "nohup service_name &"
[14:35] <nacc> dudeji: can you rephrase?
[14:35] <nacc> dudeji: oh, i don't think they will restart -- unless by service you mean systemd units
[14:35] <skinux> Can I comfortable upgrade to 17.04 with 27.1 GB free?
[14:35] <Seburo> nacc:  should I have done the upgrade with "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" instead of "sudo do-release-upgrade"?
[14:35] <dudeji> yeah skinux
[14:36] <dudeji> i did it few days back , it was very smooth
[14:36] <skinux> How long should it take on ~5MB connection?
[14:36] <nacc> Seburo: no -- presuming your prompt (/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is set to 'normal')
[14:36] <nacc> Seburo: any chance you can take a screenshot of what that opens?
[14:36] <dudeji> i am sorry i do not know abt my " fixed " speed but it took nealy 30mints
[14:37] <Seburo> nacc: I am sorry, I do not understand what you mean.
[14:37] <nacc> Seburo: you don't want to use -d generally
[14:37] <skinux> 30 minutes for download or for entire upgrade?
[14:37] <nacc> Seburo: only if you really intend to release upgrade to a release that is not out yet
[14:37] <Seburo> nacc: ok, good.  I did not use -d.
[14:38] <nacc> Seburo: ok
[14:38] <nacc> Seburo: you're definitely on 17.04 -- i'm just trying to figure out if 'ubuntu software' is just an alias for 'gnome software'
[14:39] <Seburo> nacc: Still baffled by Ubuntu Software.  I open it and it had much less in it.  For example, the pre update one had guake, post update that has gone.
[14:39] <ducasse> skinux: the upgrade tells you how long it estimates for the upgrade at various connection speeds
[14:40] <nacc> Seburo: right, can you take a screenshot?
[14:40] <skinux> You mean a web page or where?
[14:40] <nacc> skinux: no, the `do-release-upgrade` process itself
[14:41] <skinux> Wait, is 17.04 LTS?
[14:41] <nacc> skinux: no, of course not
[14:41] <nacc> skinux: LTS are every two years
[14:41] <Seburo> nacc: best way for you to see it?
[14:41] <un2him> skinux: no, let's is next year I think
[14:41] <skinux> Not sure I want to upgrade to a non-LTS
[14:41] <nacc> skinux: you can't upgrade to non-LTS
[14:41] <nacc> skinux: well, i mean directly to 17.04
[14:42] <nacc> skinux: you either are already on 16.10 and thus non-LTS
[14:42] <skinux> I'm on 16.04.1
[14:42] <nacc> skinux: or you have to upgrade to 16.10 first
[14:42] <nacc> skinux: right, so don't
[14:42] <nacc> skinux: and you mean 16.04.2, i hope, with the 16.04.1 kernel
[14:42] <nacc> !imgur | Seburo
[14:42] <nacc> !pastebin | Seburo
[14:42] <nacc> ah, !screenshots is what i was looking for
[14:42] <skinux> How do I check my Ubuntu version?
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> skinux: lsb_release -a
[14:43] <Seburo> nacc: http://imgur.com/a/5dmGh
[14:43] <skinux> OKay, 16.04.2 is what I'm on.
[14:43] <skinux> So, I'll need to upgrade to 16.10 first?
[14:44] <nacc> skinux: you just said you didn't want to be on non-LTS
[14:44] <nacc> skinux: don't upgrade unless you're sure, you can't go back without reinstalling
[14:45] <Kobaz> nacc: that's not exactly true
[14:45] <nacc> Seburo: ah ok, that's gnome software
[14:45] <skinux> No, I said I wasn't sure. But, truth is, if I don't upgrade, it'll be more complicated to upgrade to the next LTS.
[14:45] <Kobaz> nacc: apt supports downgrade
[14:45] <Kobaz> nacc: it's not pretty, but it's very much possible
[14:45] <nacc> ok, "not easily possible"
[14:45] <steven> so I guess you dont know lotuspsychje ? :D
[14:45] <nacc> Kobaz: a user who is not sure which releases are LTS, I would not recommend doing a release downgrade
[14:46] <Kobaz> right
[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: and even with apt downgrade, i think you'll end up in a bad place
[14:46] <Kobaz> but... you know... just saying
[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: because of metapackage changes
[14:46] <Kobaz> i've had to do it
[14:46] <Seburo> nacc: So that is the new equivalent of what I had before and is correct?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> steven: didnt add githubs myself
[14:46] <Kobaz> it takes a few hours, but it works
[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: yeah, i imagine it would :)
[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: and i think it's faster to reinstall :)
[14:46] <Kobaz> could be
[14:46] <Kobaz> it depends what is set up
[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: but good point, it's possible to downgrade, you're right (just not easy)
[14:47] <nacc> Seburo: yeah, sorry for the misdirection
[14:47] <Kobaz> how much work is involved in resetup everything (ie: web, dns, database, etc etc etc)
[14:47] <nacc> Seburo: so i can see guake in my software app on 17.04
[14:47] <Seburo> nacc: where is it located?
[14:48] <nacc> Seburo: not sure what you mean? i click on the top magnifying glass to search, type 'guake', hit enter and after a few seconds, it shows up
[14:48] <steven> HA lotuspsychje
[14:48] <steven> I was on the wrong machine
[14:49] <steven> on the one I wanted to use it, it works
[14:49] <Seburo> nacc: all I have is a tool to change the colour scheme when I do that.
[14:49] <steven> still a weird error
[14:49] <nacc> Seburo: do you see it with `apt search guake` on a terminal?
[14:50] <amenjesus> is apt-get not used anymore?
[14:50] <Seburo> nacc: yes
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> amenjesus: from 16.04 you can use apt without -get
[14:51] <nacc> amenjesus: apt is another frontend, apt-get can also be used, but apt is a bit more user-friendly and combines a few tools together (apt-get, apt-cache, etc)
[14:53] <nacc> Seburo: hrm, i'm really not sure why it's not working -- i would consider filing a bug
[14:53] <nacc> Seburo: or seeing if one is already filed
[14:53] <nacc> !bug | Seburo
[14:53] <Seburo> nacc:  Ok, thanks.  Appreciate your time and help with this. Thank you.
[14:54] <clvx> yeap, laptop is unusable even if you are connected by wire. I have an xps13 9350 DE, this is gonna be fun for Dell users.
[14:55] <clvx> I think I'm gonna reinstall the whole system
[14:55] <waza-ari> Hi, I got a strange problem with my ubuntu 14.04.5. It seems I am unable to get to the grub menu and a new kernel won't boot either. I modified /etc/default/grub, uncommenting both GRUB_HIDDEN_* lines and update-grub. Still no GRUB showing, not even with Shift holding. Further, I installed 4.4 kernel (linux-image-generic-lts-xenial) which is shown in grub config but not loaded.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !who | clvx
[14:56] <clvx> ubottu, ok.. got it
[14:59] <akik> waza-ari: make both GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT have an empty value
[15:00] <waza-ari> akik: I'll try
[15:01] <tapanik> ubuntu wont sync with huawei honor 6
[15:01] <akik> waza-ari: sorry the other one was with _QUIET at the end
[15:01] <waza-ari> akik: yeah, got that. autocorrect :)
[15:02] <waza-ari> akik: still boots straight into ubuntu. What also bothers me: when doing update-grup it detects both the 3.13 and 4.4 kernel, but always boots the 3.13 kernel
[15:04] <mi78108_> 大家好
[15:04] <ducasse> waza-ari: if you set GRUB_TIMEOUT=3 the menu should show for 3 seconds
[15:04] <amenjesus> can someone get this vietnamese person and tell him that we speak american here
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !zh | mi78108_
[15:04] <amenjesus> hey man we don't speak no north korean here
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> amenjesus: please be polite
[15:05] <amenjesus> i am sir
[15:05] <ducasse> amenjesus: we don't speak american either, we speak english ;)
[15:05] <tgm4883> sounds like a troll account
[15:05] <skinux> If that wasn't polite then I don't know what would be.
[15:05] <waza-ari> ducasse: it's actually set to 5. Yet it does not show up
[15:05] <nacc> skinux: not making racial assumptions
[15:05] <amenjesus> i don't know about none of yall but i speak proper murican
[15:05] <tgm4883> yep, troll
[15:05] <nacc> alright, someone can kick amenjesus now
[15:06] <amenjesus> if you kick me you hate jesus
[15:06] <amenjesus> and america
[15:06] <amenjesus> for which it stands
[15:06] <amenjesus> one nation under god
[15:06] <amenjesus> indivisible with liberty and justice for all
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> !ops | amenjesus offtopic
[15:06]  * tgm4883 needs his ikonia op powers
[15:06] <akik> waza-ari: pastebin /etc/default/grub
[15:06] <skinux> amenjesus: Umm, this channel isn't limited to America, but it is English speaking.
[15:06] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: offtopic? A bit generous saying that I would think ;)
[15:07] <amenjesus> we have to recognize the world's greatest country in every way shape or form
[15:07] <amenjesus> USA USA USA!!!
[15:07] <tgm4883> amenjesus: Russia?
[15:07] <skinux> amenjesus: Enough! I'm American too and even I say you're over the line.
[15:07] <nacc> skinux: don't feed the trolls
[15:08] <amenjesus> if you're american and you say that i'm over the line that makes you a damn commie
[15:08] <DJones> amenjesus: Please stop, this is a support channel
[15:08] <amenjesus> no such thing as being over the line when you're talking about how great america is
[15:08] <amenjesus> okay DJones will do sir
[15:09] <waza-ari> akik: https://pastebin.com/NVEnCnmY
[15:09] <Felishia> amenjesus, america is a gud continent c:
[15:09] <tgm4883> Felishia: stop
[15:09] <nacc> Felishia: please don't feed the trolls and stay ontopic
[15:09] <Felishia> what
[15:09] <Felishia> I just arrived
[15:09] <Felishia> what's up?
[15:09] <nacc> doesn't matter -- it's offtopic
[15:09] <Felishia> oh and this is ubuntu channel... I thu I was in community... cya!
[15:10] <ducasse> waza-ari: if you comment out the *HIDDEN* entries, it should work - that's what i have
[15:10] <Felishia> btw I arrived here to ask why does my computer detects a ethernet connection without any ethernet cable connected
[15:10] <waza-ari> ducasse: yeah, tried both empty values and commenting them out. GRUB is not showing. It kind of looks like that none of my config has any effect, as the new kernel is not used either
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> Felishia: ubuntu version?
[15:12] <tgm4883> oh Florida
[15:12] <jml1017> Folks - I'm trying to verify if the CVE-2016-10229 vulnerability exists in kernel 4.4.0-71-generic on 16.04.2 Xenial
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !usn | jml1017
[15:13] <akik> waza-ari: you've added those GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX at the end. what do you get as the first view when you boot
[15:13] <jml1017> From what I've read here: https://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-10229.html, I don't think it does
[15:13] <jml1017> But I'm not 100% sure
[15:13] <ducasse> jml1017: "Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus): not-affected (4.4.0-2.16)"
[15:13] <jml1017> Anyone know for sure whether or not the vulnerability exists?
[15:13] <Felishia> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Felishia: wifi chipset? did you try a reboot or network-manager restart?
[15:14] <waza-ari> akik: well.. I just did grub-install /dev/sda, not grub is showing and the new kernel is bootet.
[15:14] <Felishia> no... I haven't the weird thing is that it connects
[15:15] <Felishia> and then it says it can't find a DNS server
[15:15] <akik> waza-ari: found the solution at google https://thelastmaimou.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/this-grub-does-not-start-in-ubuntu/
[15:15] <Felishia> it says the same about when I actually connect to a real network
[15:15] <akik> waza-ari: GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=0 # disables the menu, boots right away
[15:15] <jml1017> Thanks, ducasse - that's what I thought, but wanted to be 100% certain that my machines aren't affected
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> jml1017: keep your systems up to date, as soon as possible
[15:17] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: not always doable
[15:18] <waza-ari> akik: Interesting... as I said, grub-install /dev/sda and now the menu is showing. Also, the new kernel is loaded. Did not change that config line
[15:19] <akik> waza-ari: in my case i always set those HIDDEN values to an empty value and i get the grub menu
[15:22] <RonWhoCares> How do I set memcached to load when Ubuntu 16.10 boots
[15:24] <Guest23854> hey
[15:25] <amenjesus> hey is for horses
[15:26] <n-iCe> is 17.04 still using unity?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: yes
[15:26] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje, did you update?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: no, im sticking to LTS myself
[15:27] <DArqueBishop> n-iCe: I'm pretty sure Ubuntu won't be dropping Unity for GNOME as the default DE until 18.04.
[15:27] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje, I see, read swap partition is gone in this new update, is it right?
[15:28] <ducasse> n-iCe: new installs won't get a swap partition, bu a swapfile
[15:28] <n-iCe> ducasse, is a swap file awesome
[15:28] <ducasse> n-iCe: 'awesome'?
[15:29] <n-iCe> I mean, is it actually better than a swap partition? will it be fast as a partition?
[15:30] <ducasse> n-iCe: pretty much the same thing, except for certain specific setups.
[15:30] <soroush> hi
[15:31] <soroush> soroush
[15:31] <ducasse> n-iCe: if you have an encrypted disk and want hibernation you need a swap partition still.
[15:31] <Guest23854> where are you from
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Guest23854
[15:37] <marvin2> what is a way to abort script (and maybe also print usage line) if no arguments were passed to bash script?
[15:41] <marvin2> tried this, getting errors. if [$# -eq 0]\n then echo "No arguments supplied"\n fi
[15:41] <marvin2> [0: command not found
[15:41] <\9> marvin2: you need a space after the "[", since it's a command
[15:41] <\9> marvin2: try `which [`
[15:43] <marvin2> which [ $# ] ?
[15:43] <\9> i meant try which [, to see that it's a program on the filesystem
[15:43] <marvin2> oh
[15:43] <\9> so you need to use a space after the [
[15:43] <marvin2> yes, it works after adding spaces
[15:44] <marvin2> I googled that example, should I use quotes in the echo command? is there a situation where lack of quotes would cause errors?
[15:45] <gmickelson> Hello all, I am trying to find assistance with an issue I am seeing on 17.04. I have a binary that is dependent on libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10. This binary runs fine on CentOS 7 but I am not a big fan of running CentOS and would prefer a flavor of Ubuntu. When I go to run this binary, the system complains that the libraries are not in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/. If I create sym-links to the libssl.so.1.0.0 and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 called
[15:45] <gmickelson> libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10 and run ldconfig the binary sees the libssl.so.10 library but fails to recognize the libcrypto.so.10 linked library. Anybody have any ideas on how to get past this? ldd shows that only the libcrypto library is missing so I'd like to get past this one hurdle. Thanks!
[15:46] <oerheks> gmickelson, if you have the source, compile it against ubuntu?
[15:49] <\9> marvin2: in ubuntu, probably not
[15:49] <\9> marvin2: but bash is a minefield of compatibility problems, shell scripts written for ubuntu might not work elsewhere
[16:00] <thyriaen> where can i find the *.desktop files which are "appear" by default when i install something from repos ?
[16:02] <krypto_> thyriaen: try locate
[16:02] <ducasse> thyriaen: /usr/share/applications
[16:02] <oerheks> thyriaen, in  /usr/share/applications/ , user-desktop-files go in  ~/.local/share/applications/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[16:02] <oerheks> pretty good wiki
[16:02] <thyriaen> yes krypto_ but there is soo much stuff in there
[16:03] <thyriaen> even though i got skype installed
[16:03] <thyriaen> it does not show up in that list
[16:03] <thyriaen> or maybe under a different name which i do not know
[16:03] <krypto_> grep ;) or pipe it to your favorite editor
[16:03] <traxus> I'm trying to set an environment variable with a pathname (as part of Vulkan), but it spits back "no such file or directory". I've never dealt with variables before.
[16:04] <traxus> $export VULKAN_SDK=~/vulkan/VulkanSDK/1.0.46.0/x86_64
[16:04] <traxus> It's according to these instructions: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Install-LunarG-Vulkan-SDK.aspx
[16:04] <krypto_> those amd instructions are wrong unfortunately
[16:04] <thyriaen> oh i was in app-install by mistake
[16:05] <krypto_> one sec traxus
[16:05] <thyriaen> okey now i found it
[16:05] <brainwash> traxus: remove the $
[16:06] <thyriaen> i am using an icon theme which when i switch to it
[16:06] <thyriaen> changes the icons of my applications
[16:06] <thyriaen> i wonder - how does it do that when the *.desktop files dont get overwritten ?
[16:06] <thyriaen> since the icon=... line loads the file right ?
[16:07] <traxus> If I enter the variables into a terminal, are they persistent on login, or do I have to add them to ~/.profile?
[16:07] <ducasse> thyriaen: it uses the icon that theme has for that application
[16:07] <krypto_> traxus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381036/ just adjust those variables accordingly to your path
[16:07] <krypto_> yes add them to the .profile
[16:07] <brainwash> traxus: they are not persistent
[16:07] <krypto_> after you do that.. open up a new terminal and type vulkaninfo | pastebinit and share the link
[16:08] <thyriaen> how does the application "know" which icon to use ? :P like where does the theme come on ducasse
[16:08] <ducasse> thyriaen: the name of the icon is defined in the desktop file, typically
[16:08] <thyriaen> yes
[16:08] <thyriaen> in my case its "skypeforlinux
[16:09] <ducasse> thyriaen: so for vlc, you get whatever vlc.png your icon theme has.
[16:09] <thyriaen> and the theme changes that vlc.png to whatever it likes ?
[16:10] <ducasse> thyriaen: each theme has its own vlc.png
[16:10] <thyriaen> ah okey
[16:10] <thyriaen> that makes sense
[16:11] <ducasse> thyriaen: or they fall back to another theme for icons it doesn't have.
[16:11] <thyriaen> can i see those *.png files of my theme somewhere ?
[16:11] <ducasse> thyriaen: /usr/share/icons/
[16:12] <honey_1> i am using ubuntu 16.04 and i was trying to install torch software the instaltion is already   done but when i reboot ther is somthing message "bash: /home/yyy/torch/install/bin/torch-activate: No such file or directory" i cheked in ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and finally  source ~/torch/install/bin/torch-activate but still there is error some one help
[16:12] <thyriaen> okey i think i can fix the thing i want now
[16:12] <thyriaen> one more thing though
[16:13] <thyriaen> what about the icons in the notification area
[16:13] <thyriaen> those little button things not really sure what they are called
[16:14] <krypto_> honey_1: it sounds like you torched your ~/torch directory ;)
[16:14] <krypto_> are you asking about the error or that you can't get torch to run?
[16:15] <honey_1> krypto_: i am asking to fix the error and to run  torch
[16:16] <krypto_> do you know which directory you installed it in?
[16:16] <krypto_> im thinking you followed the site instructions but used a different directory?
[16:17] <thyriaen> ducasse, the same theme contains those icons
[16:18] <Guest24793> Can i use Ubuntu in german Language withoud installing it?
[16:18] <honey_1> krypto_: i installed  in my home directory and i followed this  site  http://torch.ch/docs/getting-started.html
[16:20] <pezdispenser> Hello, I'm having a problem I cannot seem to fix,   my Acer laptop NOW says just after I updated ubuntu,   "security boot fail" after I turn it on,
[16:20] <pezdispenser> I've tried several options, to fix, I cannot resolve this
[16:20] <krypto_> hmm, if you type ls -al ~/torch do you see it?
[16:20] <oerheks> Guest24793, you can try to add german as language, no,  you would need to update, which can be problematic with a lot of packages. there is a german iso 16.10 .. http://ubuntu.de.uptodown.com/ubuntu
[16:22] <pezdispenser> just after I updated ubuntu,   "security boot fail" after I turn it on,   I've tried changing the secure boot files,   there is no option in my bios to switch from uefi to legacy either,
[16:22] <honey_1> krypto_: yes i can see it
[16:22] <Guest24793> OK, i'll try it, if that ISO has also Orca Screenreader installed.
[16:23] <krypto_> honey_1: ok type in ls -al ~/torch/install/bin/torch-activate
[16:24] <Guest24793> But is this Website secure?
[16:25] <honey_1> krypto_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381242/
[16:27] <ThetaOrionis> Hey guys, so I got this Dell Inspiron 14z ultrabook recently, and installed Ubuntu Mate 16.10. Problem is, it's really overheating, the portion between the keyboard and the screen. And battery is draining pretty fast too. :(
[16:28] <ThetaOrionis> tlp and thermald are running normally, and I've got no additional driver to install. Brazilian forums mention some AMD Catalyst driver to be added, but I guess mine doesn't have the optional radeon GPU
[16:28] <oerheks> Guest24793, it is the community editon, you might better ask in #ubuntu-de
[16:29] <krypto_> honey_1: hmm, so ~/torch exists but that file doesn't, try cd'ing into ~/torch and see if there is a bin/torch-activate somewhere
[16:31] <honey_1> krypto_: there is no such file
[16:33] <honey_1> krypto_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381263/
[16:35] <thyriaen> where can i find the status icons of the applications ? and how can i change the icons used ?
[16:35] <krypto_> honey_1: i think i see what happened
[16:35] <krypto_> honey_1: check out https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style/issues/189
[16:36] <immu> ok to install gnome3 when your distro is Unity.
[16:36] <krypto_> honey_1: i think the install failed, and you added that line inadvertently to your profile
[16:38] <honey_1> krypto_: ok it might be the case i was trying many options so what is the solution now?
[16:38] <immu> ok to install gnome3 when your distro is Unity.
[16:39] <krypto_> i would start fresh again, wipe your ~/torch folder and refollow the instructions, make sure build doesn't fail
[16:40] <ducasse> immu: yes, should be fine.
[16:40] <immu> ducasse: i had asked earlier also,remember?
[16:40] <ducasse> immu: yes, which is why i don't see why you're asking again...
[16:41] <honey_1> krypto_: ok  let me try that one again  so in this case i will do "rm -rf ~/torch"
[16:42] <ZenMasta> I need to perform a task through ssh on our website that takes about an hour, however my host automatically times my session out I think after about to minutes. In order to get around this I have been using Screen, and manually switching back to the screen every few minutes. As you can imagine this is tedious and if you're busy with something else, easy to miss - is there anyway that I can run a script that would do that automatic
[16:43] <immu> any how to for it ducasse ?
[16:43] <ZenMasta> using putty but server is on ubunty
[16:43] <oerheks> immu just install the gnome desktop in your softwarecenter, and logout/switch/login
[16:44] <ducasse> immu: 'apt install gnome-shell', i think
[16:44] <kallesbar> Hi, kubuntu 17.04 clean installation stops initramfs prompt, then I tried latest LTS version 16.04 .2 same issue. BTW I am using vmware
[16:44] <oerheks> ZenMasta, there is a timout number in your ssh service ( on the server)
[16:44] <oerheks> !ssh
[16:44] <krypto_> honey_1: that should be safe, if you wanna super-safe do a mv ~/torch ~/torch-old
[16:45] <ZenMasta> oerheks I've contacted the host they dont allow changing the timeout
[16:45] <oerheks> ZenMasta, then stay alert.
[16:46] <honey_1> krypto_: i did that but finally i have get problem at the end http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381340/   when i open teh link it works but theer is fatal error  to get https://github.com/clementfarabet/lua---nnx.git/
[16:49] <krypto_> honey_1: oh thats interesting.. i was able to run the git clone command with no problem, can you try again?
[16:51] <shadygoose> hi. when I boot up ubuntu, I get multiple "System program problem detected" dialog boxes. Any solutions?
[16:51] <jpmh> I use rsync to backup my server and am very happy with it as a mirror copy.  What do your suggest as an incremental copy product, so I can get back to time points
[16:52] <amosbird> hi
[16:52] <Southern_Gentlem> jpmh, backintime ?
[16:52] <amosbird> how can I make my mouse 5 times faster
[16:52] <amosbird> it's using libinput interface and I can only manage 200%
[16:53] <krypto_> shadygoose: on your machine, open the Startup Applications app and maybe one-by-one check out which ones are failing
[16:53] <setuid> Something very fishy with the way preseed handles file based preseed files
[16:53] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: is that an open source product?
[16:53] <setuid> ...in that, it doesn't work at all
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> jpmh, yes
[16:53] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: and will it back up over ssh
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> that is for you to figure out :)
[16:54] <shadygoose> krypto" there's only one under additional startup items. "SSH Key Agent"
[16:54] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: ty so much heading to look at it right now
[16:54] <krypto_> ok then they are probably being started through some other way. tough for us to troubleshoot this one, we'd have to know specifics
[16:55] <ducasse> jpmh: also rsnapshot
[16:55] <shadygoose> krypto: is there a way I could give you more info? like a log file? newb here.
[16:55] <jpmh> ducasse: I'll look at that too - ty
[16:56] <krypto_> sure maybe take a screenshot of what the desktop looks like when it first boots and put it on imgur?
[16:56] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. hold on.
[16:58] <shadygoose> krypto: here you go https://unsee.cc/gibemasu/
[16:59] <krypto_> ok and can you take one after Report Problem also
[16:59] <shadygoose> krypto: clicking on both the boxes?
[17:00] <krypto_> im not sure if they're for the same error, but ideally both yeah
[17:01] <shadygoose> krypto: I got an error log, after clicking the first one, the second one went away. should I paste the log here?
[17:02] <honey_1> krypto_: yesterday it works fine but this problem is happning after i remove torch folder and  clone again but before it works fine now  is showme another error http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381467/
[17:02] <mhg> I have a problem on installing latest Ubuntu Sever, it made bootable from UNetbootin, but on configuration of partition, it has problem. any help?
[17:03] <krypto_> shadygoose: type pastebinit in the terminal, paste the log, and then CTRL+D and share the link
[17:03] <oerheks> mhg, unetbootin is know for making issues, did you check the iso from usb?
[17:03] <traxus> Krypto: Brainwash: Thanks for the assist! Vulkan is working!
[17:04] <mhg> oerheks: no, i didn't. How?
[17:04] <shadygoose> krypto: I couldn't copy the stuff but here's a screenshot https://unsee.cc/betadomu/
[17:04] <immu> ducasse: ubuntu software - no gnome present in it?
[17:04] <krypto_> honey_1: so just to confirm, you re-ran the git clone command and it failed on that same spot?
[17:05] <oerheks> mhg, when you boot the usb, there is an option in the 1st menu
[17:05] <honey_1> krypto_: yes
[17:05] <oerheks> "check disc for defects"
[17:06] <krypto_> traxus: Nice!
[17:06] <krypto_> shadygoose: hmm, no idea why snapd-login is failing there
[17:06] <krypto_> one sec
[17:06] <shadygoose> krypto: take your time,
[17:07] <krypto_> honey_1: it may be github rate limiting you? i was able to clone no problem
[17:08] <Camron> hello all have a question about making you ubuntu system forward to ssl either if you use https or not
[17:10] <krypto_> shadygoose, all your packages are up-to-date? if it's not affecting you minus the annoyance of seeing the error, i'd report the problem and just keep an eye on it for now
[17:10] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. I shall do that. thanks Captain.
[17:11] <krypto_> anytime man
[17:11] <krypto_> Camron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381569/
[17:11] <krypto_> well that's assuming you're running nginx
[17:11] <krypto_> but you get the idea.. that'll send http://localhost to https://localhost
[17:13] <Camron> im not running nginx
[17:15] <mallory__> greetings
[17:18] <Camron> its there a way to use letsencrypt to do this
[17:20] <ppf> Camron: that's something your server can do
[17:20] <ppf> both apache and nginx
[17:20] <Camron> using apache
[17:23] <aalzehla> hi there
[17:25] <latino31> i see ubuntu 17.04  is available...theorectially whats the chances of my computer crashes on upgrade ....how important is a backup lol
[17:26] <kallesbar> Can anyone help me to get forward if clean installation stops initramfs prompt_
[17:28] <oerheks> latino31, if you don't have a backup, your data is unimportant.
[17:28] <krypto_> latino31: we usually ask for advice when we already know the answer ;)
[17:29] <krypto_> if you're happy with your system, i'd stay put (assuming LTS 16.04)
[17:29] <latino31> its important because my ubuntu crashed about 4 weeks and the backup i had was crap because the encryption emfs (crap) would not unlock even with correct passwords so it took days to get some stuff back
[17:30] <latino31> krypto_, i have 16.10 :)
[17:30] <krypto_> in that case, i say go for 17.04.. just revert any PPAs to avoid any problems
[17:31] <krypto_> (assuming you did your backups)
[17:31] <ThetaOrionis1> hello
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> eyh :)
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> i have trouble opening the ubuntu software
[17:32] <latino31> krypto_, are there any good image backup that don't require pc shutdown?
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> it just loads then closes
[17:33] <latino31> krypto_, the only ppa i have is i2p will that be automatically handled?
[17:33] <tapanik> command line task little new for me
[17:33] <tapanik> ms-dos based life
[17:33] <tapanik> ms-dos commands remember :D
[17:34] <tapanik> C64 cant remember
[17:34] <tapanik> i have used 80's
[17:34] <oerheks> tapanik, do you have an ubuntu support question? and please easy on the enter
[17:34] <krypto_> latino31, yeah that should be fine. it'll likely be a smooth upgrade, and nothing that can't be fixed otherwise
[17:35] <krypto_> allrightyyyyy: hmm, try opening up a terminal and running gnome-software - any errors show up?
[17:36] <oerheks> allrightyyyyy, install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter. but to fix ubuntu software, delete ~/.cache/gnome-software perhaps fixes things
[17:37] <Eightynine> While switching between tty, desktop and plymouth I found a cause of long boot. The problem is that it's checking some device with certain uuid. Probably it's swap partition I removed. How can I edit fstab and create swap file?
[17:38] <genii> !swap | Eightynine
[17:39] <Eightynine> Why did you wrote me that? I know what is swap.
[17:40] <oerheks> Eightynine, how did you remove swap?
[17:41] <Eightynine> I used Gnome disk utility and removed it from there.
[17:41] <oerheks> the url from ubottu is helpfull, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_or_modify_a_swap_partition.3F
[17:41] <Lavinho> godd afternoon
[17:42] <Lavinho> how to put on rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 =
[17:42] <Lavinho> ?
[17:43] <Lavinho> no compile drivers
[17:44] <Eightynine> How do you think what is better to use Firefox or Chromium or maybe Chrome? Is Opera usable?
[17:45] <oerheks> Eightynine, try them all 4 yourself and choose what you like best? i use chrome for all things.
[17:46] <hackel> Does anyone know a way to get a list of all origins (ppas in particular) that the installed packages on my system come from?  I've been trying to figure out how to coax grep-dctrl to do it without success.
[17:46] <zaapiel> how do i turn off ssh server?
[17:46] <Eightynine> I'm currently using Chromium and don't like it at all. And what is your opinion on KDE?
[17:46] <hackel> zaapiel: `service ssh stop` (same with any other service)
[17:47] <oerheks> hackel,  all added ppa's are shown in your sources, or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:48] <hackel> Eightynine: I use 80% Firefox (Developer edition), 20% Chromium.  Use whichever one you like best.  Just stick to open source.  (No Chrome or Opera!)
[17:48] <oerheks> Eightynine, polling is useless, you would get 1852 answers..
[17:48] <Eightynine> Can I convert my ext4 partition to xfs? Is it worth it?
[17:48] <hackel> oerheks: Yes, I'm aware, but I'm looking for a list based on what is currently installed.  Sources can be added or removed without actually affecting the installed packages.
[17:50] <oerheks> hackel, if you removes the ppa entry, no way telling
[17:50] <oerheks> apt-cache policy would show them normally too.
[17:51] <tomreyn> Eightynine: (1) no. (2) why would you want to?
[17:51] <Eightynine> Just asking. What if I just create that swap partition on empty space will that fix that problem?
[17:52] <tomreyn> Eightynine: what is "the problem"?
[17:52] <hackel> oerheks: Ahh, of course I just remembered that Origin is only an apt field, not dpkg.  Oh well, thanks.
[17:52] <tomreyn> i did not follow the chat
[17:53] <lo_> bonjour
[17:53] <lo_> quelqu'un s'y connait en informatique ?
[17:53] <tomreyn> 'lo lo_
[17:53] <oerheks> Eightynine, maybe, follow the guide.
[17:53] <tomreyn> !fr | lo_
[17:56] <tirtones> hi  gys
[17:56] <tirtones> i fu u m a d f
[17:56] <Lavinho> help me
[17:56] <tirtones> wats h
[17:56] <Lavinho> rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 not working
[17:57] <tirtones> oh my god
[17:57] <tirtones> wery big  problem
[17:57] <tirtones> wweeeerrryyyy
[17:57] <tirtones> very
[17:57] <tirtones> w
[17:58] <oerheks> Lavinho, why is it not working? no driver available in the driver tool ?
[17:58] <nicomachus> clearly...
[17:58] <nacc> tirtones: please stop. if you have an issue, in one line state it
[17:58] <Lavinho> no
[17:58] <tirtones> ok(
[17:58] <FireBeyond> Trying to install Ubuntu 17. Brand new fresh install, cannot update. "Following signatures were invalid: BADSIG ... ". Even after doing an apt-key add, etc
[17:58] <nacc> FireBeyond: please provide the full output in a pastebin
[17:58] <kallesbar> Can anyone help me to get forward if clean installation stops initramfs prompt
[17:58] <nacc> !pastebing | FireBeyond
[17:58] <Lavinho> oerheks: driver not compile
[17:58] <nacc> !pastebin | FireBeyond
[17:59] <tirtones> i want to crack google db
[17:59] <FireBeyond> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381788/
[17:59] <nacc> !ot | tirtones
[18:01] <nicomachus> !guidelines > tirtones
[18:02] <oerheks> Lavinho, maybe this answer works for you too https://communities.intel.com/message/309488#309488
[18:02] <oerheks> Lavinho, but you would need to recompile after any kernel update
[18:02] <Lavinho> thanks
[18:03] <FireBeyond> Bleh. Frustrating. Cannot install anything.
[18:03] <tirtones> russkie yest&
[18:05] <Eightynine> Is that possible to resize my system partition?
[18:05] <ioria> FireBeyond, can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[18:05] <Lavinho> oerheks: error
[18:05] <Epx998> anyone set up pxe with the livecd?
[18:05] <oerheks> FireBeyond, maybe this command is any help; remove lists and pdate again > sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[18:05] <FireBeyond> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381885/
[18:06] <tms> hello
[18:06] <tirtones> im russian hacker
[18:06] <oerheks> tirtones, hacking is beyond the scope of this channel ..
[18:06] <tms> he didn't say a hacker
[18:07] <ioria> FireBeyond, don't need to be root, btw
[18:07] <digitalfiz> especially shotty russian hacking :P
[18:07] <flavors> hello
[18:07] <FireBeyond> Yeah, true. No joy with rm'ing /var/lib/apt/lists though
[18:08] <krypto_> FireBeyond: how about this thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1877/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-resolve-apt-get-badsig-gpg-errors
[18:08] <tirtones> can i ask something?
[18:09] <tms> you just did
[18:09] <ioria> FireBeyond,  backup that file, and try with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381905/
[18:11] <FireBeyond> No joy with the link, trying new sources.list
[18:11] <FireBeyond> bleh. nope.
[18:11] <FireBeyond> going to try the nuclear option. sigh
[18:12] <ioria> FireBeyond,  you already did the sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com thing ?
[18:12] <krypto_> pftt.. giving up that easy? ;)
[18:12] <FireBeyond> Yeah. "1 processed, 1 unchanged"
[18:12] <FireBeyond> del'ed it and re-added it too
[18:13] <oerheks> FireBeyond, check your iso before reinstall
[18:13] <FireBeyond> good point
[18:14] <ioria> FireBeyond,  if you still have the media you can md5sum the iso
[18:14] <tirtones> help   me
[18:15] <oerheks> tirtones, ask your question, all in one line please.
[18:15] <oerheks> ( but not hacking)
[18:15] <tirtones> ohhhh
[18:17] <Jordan_U> tirtones: If your next message is not a productive Ubuntu support related question then you will be removed from the channel.
[18:18] <tirtones> ok ok im sorry
[18:19] <Epx998> Can someone help with pxe booting from the ubuntu live cd?
[18:19] <FireBeyond> Bah. All hail the reboot. :\
[18:20] <FireBeyond> Working after that
[18:20] <oerheks> FireBeyond, good luck, we'll see you soon
[18:20] <Jordan_U> FireBeyond: It was likely a transient issue with the mirror you were using.
[18:20] <ceegee> hi
[18:21] <Jordan_U> Epx998: What is your end goal? It's much easier to PXE boot the netboot/minimal installer if your end goal is to install Ubuntu.
[18:22] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Goal is to get all the drivers, netboot I am having an issue on some Dell hardware with the controller and network driver.  Works fine from the USB.  So I want to try deploying UB14 on PXE using the live CD.
[18:22] <ceegee> I am on Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS with i3wm. I use the nm-applet to manage openvpn connections. I configured a specific openvpn connection to ask for key password, but it doesnt
[18:22] <ceegee> any hints what could be wrong / missing?
[18:23] <Epx998> Jordan_U: the live cd fails at the cdrom detect, where it should be seeing the live CD
[18:26] <Jordan_U> Epx998: How are you preparing the Live image to be netbooted?
[18:26] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Do you have an NFS server providing the squashfs image?
[18:26] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I am mounting the iso in my fstab and nfs exporting the mount location
[18:28] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I point directly to the vmlinuz and initrd.gz file, then set my netboot=nfs and nfsroot pointed at the export location
[18:28] <kallesbar> Is there anyone that can help me go forward ubuntu installation it stops console prompt initramfs, please
[18:29] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Please pastebin your syslinux.cfg or grub.cfg so that I can confirm that the kernel parameters are being passed correctly.
[18:31] <Epx998> Jordan_U: semt
[18:31] <Bashing-om> kallesbar: The foundation is a known verified .iso file . Have you confirmed the .iso and also verified the copy to the install medium ?
[18:33] <kallesbar> it is kubuntu iso image 17.04 and I also tried latest LTS 16.04.2 same issue both
[18:33] <ash_workz> I think I need to roll back to an earlier release
[18:34] <ash_workz> how should I go about doing that?
[18:34] <oerheks> ash reinstall
[18:34] <Hulio> hi guys, is there a way to use windows RDP to remote to ubuntu?
[18:35] <kallesbar> Bashing-om:  All other ubuntu installation I have tried works just fine
[18:35] <Hulio> anyone
[18:35] <ioria> Hulio, rdesktop
[18:35] <ioria> !info rdesktop | Hulio
[18:36] <Hulio> ioria: so at my work, i can only use windows RDP(client) that came within all windows.
[18:36] <Hulio> ioria: at work i can't install any other software, but to use build-in client (RDP)
[18:36] <ioria> Hulio,  ha, you need a rxdp then
[18:37] <Hulio> ioria: is that something i need to install on ubuntu?
[18:37] <ioria> Hulio, yes, ubuntu will be the server ?
[18:37] <Hulio> yes
[18:37] <ioria> !info xrdp | Hulio
[18:37] <Hulio> ok i'll look into it
[18:37] <Hulio> thanks bro
[18:38] <Jordan_U> Epx998: That looks correct assuming that the paths and addresses are correct. Does "dmesg" print any useful error messages?
[18:38] <ioria> Hulio, http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=8952
[18:38] <Epx998> Jordan_U: cdrom-detect '' a few times then errors on not being able to mount the cdrom
[18:41] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Sorry, I can't think of anything else to try.
[18:42] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Let me point to the netboot linux kernel instead of vmlinuz
[18:42] <Epx998> Jordan_U: maybe ill get lucky
[18:42] <Jordan_U> Epx998: I doubt that will help, but why not? :)
[18:42] <kallesbar> Bashing-om:  I am not trying install it from DVD. I trying install it vmware.
[18:44] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Have you verified the sha256/md5sum of the iso? Are you passing the iso as a virtual DVD drive and have you selected Ubuntu 17.04 (or the lastest Ubuntu option VMware has) as the OS the guest should be expecting?
[18:45] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Do you see any error messages before being droped to the initramfs shell? Does "journalctl" from the initramfs shell produce any helpful error messages? (I don't know if Ubuntu has journald in the initramfs yet or not).
[18:46] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  yes it is virtual dvd, just open the iso file and vmware boots it. I have not veriied it
[18:46] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Please do verify it.
[18:46] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  no error messages
[18:47] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  need to check also that vmware option
[18:55] <wadie> is ubuntu 17 LTS ?
[18:55] <ikonia> no
[18:55] <FinalX> no, 16.04 is
[18:55] <wadie> Then I'll stick with 16.04 for now
[18:55] <wadie> <3
[18:55] <FinalX> next will be.. 19.04? I think?
[18:55] <FinalX> eh 18
[18:56] <ikonia> 18.04
[18:56] <wadie> It'll just auto update when it is LTS
[18:56] <wadie> Any measurements I have to take ?
[18:56] <FinalX> very likely, 2 years is a big change usually
[18:56] <jjikn> using unity, why does date/time applet constantly crash on startup?
[18:57] <ikonia> measurements ?
[18:57] <wadie> FinalX understood my question, I guess you are smart enough to understand as well ikonia xD
[18:57] <ikonia> I don't understand it
[18:57] <ikonia> what are you talking about "measurements"
[18:58] <wadie> Other than a backup, do I need to make sure I have anything pre-installed or a specific version ?
[18:58] <wadie> That was an example of measurements
[18:59] <SpeccyMan> measures
[18:59] <wadie> *
[18:59] <ikonia> wadie: pre-installed for what ?
[18:59] <wadie> the update
[19:00] <wadie> 16 to 17
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: oh no
[19:00] <jjikn> using vmplayer 6, ubbuntu 17.04 boots
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: you need to make sure you don't have software on
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: eg: no 3rd party software that could cause conflicts during hte upgrade
[19:00] <FinalX> wadie: usually an upgrade will go just fine when it hits, but some software stops existing, some software has its featureset changed, some config formats change.. you'll probably want to review them when the time comes.
[19:00] <wadie> Okay thanks
[19:01] <FinalX> also usually if you follow a non-LTS upgrade path it'll be more little things every upgrade, but if you skip from LTS to LTS, it's all those little changes all in one go
[19:01] <jjikn> what are the live user name/countersign?
[19:06] <jjikn> ^---
[19:08] <stevehope> jjikn there aren't preset login/passeord for live image, they are set at boot
[19:08] <jjikn> wut
[19:08] <jjikn> it has to have login, to login
[19:10] <jjikn> found it's "ubuntu" and pass word is blanc
[19:13] <ikonia> if the live user asks you for a login, there is something wrong with the image/boot
[19:13] <ikonia> it should auto login
[19:13] <Guest21759> any expert of maas here?
[19:13] <ikonia> I've used maas a few times
[19:13] <ikonia> far from an expert though as I found other tools provided a better workflow
[19:14] <Guest21759> I am facing issue while using maas 2.1.3
[19:14] <Guest21759> ikonia have you used maas2.1.3
[19:15] <ikonia> Guest21759: not sure on the versions off the top of my head, certainly recent versions
[19:15] <ikonia> why don't you just ask the question rather than who has used what versions
[19:16] <jjikn> i logged off to test
[19:16] <Guest21759> ok, I am facing issue while running conjure-up --bootstrap-to <hostname>
[19:16] <jjikn> turned out, old iso
[19:16] <Guest21759> iso is new ubuntu
[19:16] <Guest21759> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS Release:        16.04 Codename:       xenial rvtadmin@u16:~$
[19:17] <ikonia> whats the problem ?
[19:17] <Guest21759> conjure-up --bootstrap-to <hostname>
[19:18] <Guest21759> not able to  Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:18] <Guest21759>  Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:18] <ikonia> Guest21759: ok, so the call to juju is failing, what do the logs say
[19:18] <jjikn> 16.04.3 is new
[19:19] <Guest21759>  conjure-up/_unspecified_spell: Showing dialog for exception: Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:19] <ikonia> Guest21759: what does the juju logs shows
[19:19] <ikonia> show
[19:20] <ikonia> look at the individual components, rather than maas
[19:20] <Guest21759> there is no juju logs in building latest conjure-up
[19:20] <Guest21759> now it has only said logs
[19:21] <Guest21759> 23:53:57 DEBUG cmd supercommand.go:459 (error details: [{github.com/juju/juju/cmd/juju/commands/bootstrap.go:574: failed to bootstrap model} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/common/bootstrap.go:179: cannot start bootstrap instance} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:950: cannot run instances} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:1310: cannot run instance} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:751: } {
[19:21] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  Hash are same as ubuntu torrent web site. I also run sha256sum for the file, but actually not know if it ok. Cannot remember when last checked those
[19:26] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  initramfs do not have journald, so is not possible get more info on that way
[19:29] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  I could not spotted the option you mention on vmware workstation pro version 12.5.5. Not sure if it is there
[19:33] <Eightynine> How can I add sound applet on MATE panel?
[19:34] <toshiba_leather> 中
[19:36] <YankDownUnder> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/sound-indicator-missing-in-ubuntu-mate-16-04/4744
[19:38] <Eightynine> That guy who gave me a link about swap helped me, thank you if you're here.
[19:39] <YankDownUnder> Eightynine: Check the link I just posted.
[19:39] <Eightynine> I checked already. Thank you.
[19:40] <ash_workz> if I purge php5 will that get rid of the php5 ini conf file?
[19:41] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Possibly, but do NOT assume.
[19:50] <c0mrade> Anyone can volunteer helping in setting a complex web app on an ubuntu server, it's 90% done just publishing it seems to give me some trouble... I can provide remote access :P
[19:50] <ash_workz> shouldn't add-apt-repository take like 2 seconds?
[19:50] <ash_workz> why is it taking forever? -_-
[19:50] <latino31> i upgraded to 17.04 a few mins ago ..went well.. i see some references still to ubuntu 16.10 like official supported non free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?
[19:51] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: It might be servers/network traffic/site traffic. Patience.
[19:51]  * ash_workz tries to chill out
[19:51] <ikonia> c0mrade: just explain the problem,
[19:52] <ikonia> c0mrade: people will help if they can
[19:52] <c0mrade> ikonia: It's not that simple...
[19:52] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Just asking - did you try to ping/view the repo server you're trying to add?
[19:52] <c0mrade> It's a project of installing a complex webapp and I am trying to deploy it on an amazon ubuntu ec2 instance.
[19:52] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: no =·
[19:52] <ikonia> c0mrade: ok, so explain the problem
[19:53] <c0mrade> Really there's a lot to it.
[19:53] <cristian_c> hello, sorry, I'd like to know how to configure lirc with media players, for example mplayer
[19:53] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: how do you do thaqt?
[19:53] <c0mrade> It's much easier to do it via teamviewer.
[19:53] <ash_workz> -q
[19:53] <cristian_c> I've tried to read the doc, but I've n0
[19:53] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: What's the repo?
[19:53] <ash_workz> ppa:ondrej/php
[19:53] <cristian_c> I've tried to read the doc, but I've not got figured out how t0 achieve this task
[19:54] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[19:54] <ikonia> c0mrade: not really acceptable
[19:54] <ikonia> c0mrade: you'd be better to write a summary and post it in a pastebin
[19:54] <wedgie> or on the forums
[19:54] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I just added it - to test (going to delete it) - but it took like seconds, mate.
[19:55] <c0mrade> The thing is that also I tried a lot of stuff, I'll have to mention every single thing that I've done so that you won't offer a solution that I already tried.
[19:55] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah, so wth then? :(
[19:55] <ikonia> c0mrade: if you won't explain the problem, don't bother asking for help, as it's impossible to help with zero information
[19:55] <c0mrade> Login to my system and have a better look.
[19:56] <cristian_c> c0mrade: you could summarize / make a recap
[19:56] <ikonia> no thanks
[19:56] <ikonia> explain the problem
[19:56] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I'd check your DNS -> could be that you're getting "bounced around" - or you could even restart your networking and see if that helps...either which, I got it quite quickly...something to think about...
[19:56] <latino31> no one wants to tackle my question its a easy one :)
[19:57] <oerheks> c0mrade, start with what "webapp"
[19:57] <ash_workz> >.<
[19:57] <c0mrade> https://github.com/ornicar/lila
[19:57] <ikonia> c0mrade: what is that
 i upgraded to 17.04 a few mins ago ..went well.. i see some references still to ubuntu 16.10 like official supported non free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?
[19:57] <latino31> i meant to yaketty yak
[19:57] <ash_workz> internet has been going horribly slow too
[19:58] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Could be your issue, bro.
[19:58] <c0mrade> ikonia: You can check here: https://github.com/ornicar/lila
[19:58] <ikonia> c0mrade: check what ?
[19:58] <ikonia> thats just a chess game
[19:58] <c0mrade> A chess game?
[19:58] <c0mrade> What do you mean it's a chess game...
[19:59]  * cristian_c troll alert
[19:59] <ikonia> the webpage you've just posted says this
[19:59] <ikonia> Lila (li[chess in sca]la) is a free online chess game server focused on realtime gameplay and ease of use.
[19:59] <ikonia> so yes, a "chess game"
[20:00] <c0mrade> Okay continue with the second paragraph and let's see if it's "just" a chess game.
[20:00] <ikonia> no
[20:00] <ikonia> as that doesn't explain your problem
[20:00] <ikonia> it's just a link to an git hub page
[20:00] <ikonia> explain your problem clearly please, or stop requesting help
[20:00] <c0mrade> Let's see, it includes mongodb, nodejs,It features a search engine, computer analysis distributed with fishnet, tournaments, simuls, forums, teams, tactic trainer, a mobile app, and a shared analysis board.
[20:01] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: when you say restart your networking, you mean on my local linux machine?
[20:01] <c0mrade> Lichess is written in Scala 2.11, and relies on Play 2.4 for the routing, templating, and JSON. Pure chess logic is contained in scalachess submodule.
[20:01] <ikonia> c0mrade: so yes, a chess game
[20:01] <c0mrade> The codebase is fully asynchronous, making heavy use of Scala Futures and Akka 2 actors. Lichess talks to Stockfish deployed in an AI cluster of donated servers. It uses MongoDB 3.2 to store more than 350 million games, which are indexed by elasticsearch.
[20:01] <ikonia> c0mrade: yes, a chess game
[20:01] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Without knowing what you're doing, I can't actually answer that.
[20:01] <latino31> anyone going to answer my question or just ignore it?
[20:01] <c0mrade> HTTP requests and websocket connections are proxied by nginx 1.8. Client-side is written in mithril.js. The blog uses a free open content plan from prismic.io.
[20:02] <ikonia> c0mrade: you don't need to type out the page
[20:02] <ikonia> c0mrade: it's a chess game, what's your problem that related to ubuntu
[20:02] <cristian_c> latino31: be patient :)
[20:02] <latino31> ;)
[20:03] <oerheks> latino31, what do you mean with "free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?"
[20:03] <ikonia> 17.10 doesn't exist
[20:03] <latino31> 17.04
[20:04] <latino31> software and updates still have references to ubuntu 16.10
[20:04] <oerheks> latino31, so you want to use old drivers, are they not available in 17.04/drivers ?
[20:05] <latino31> no should i edit them...
[20:05] <latino31> for 17.04
[20:05] <gausus> re
[20:05] <gausus> is anyone using tplink t1u wifi usb card?
[20:05] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: I upgraded a remote server to 16.04; apparently php5 is not supported, I tried patching the app, but the complexity of the depricated code goes too deep; right now I just need something working so I figured I'd look outside official repos for a php5 version that works on 16.04
[20:05] <latino31> community maintained is another one referencing ubuntu 16.10
[20:06] <oerheks> ash_workz, 16.04 comes with php7
[20:06] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: so I tried to add that ppa and . . . . . . . 5 minutes of "waiting for that to finish" later, I came here
[20:06] <ash_workz> oerheks: but the application doesn't work on 7
[20:06] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: So then the question would be IS your "connection" to the server strong/healthy => as if you're doing the "repo" on the server and it's taking forever...hmm?
[20:06] <ash_workz> oerheks: I'm not saying it's right, I just need it to be working atm
[20:08] <oerheks> latino31, what driver exactly? using drivers from an older version is not a good idea, usually.
[20:08] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: fwiw, the server seems to be having issues doing anything outside the network... I mean, I can connect to it just fine; but I had an idea to use docker to just run 14.04 in there, but it took forever just to `docker pull hello` ... and by forever, I mean I inevitably used ^C
[20:09] <latino31> i should delete the section that says ubuntu 16.10 community mainted and the other ones referencing ubuntu 16.10..there are still sections there but they are unchecked..
[20:09] <latino31> ?
[20:09] <latino31> oerheks,
[20:09] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: that said, ubuntu repos work fine
[20:09] <oerheks> latino31, i have no idea what you are seeing, if you added a 16.10 ppa, remove it
[20:10] <oerheks> latino31, else make a screenshot what you see, and post it on imgur.com
[20:10] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Ah...hmm...so methinks that it would be a better thing to actually BE at the "server"...unless you're confident in doing a "remote restart" of it - and then being able to re-gain access...and as it's a "remote" - could there be issues with the hardware on the network THERE...hmm...or saturation of the localised network where that server is sitting...
[20:11] <latino31> oerheks, official supported non free drivers and the community maintained section...i dont think they are considered ppa's.. there are built in to ubuntu itself..i know you have had to have seen them before
[20:11] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah; the answers are, I can't be "there", I am not confident in regaining access and shoot me in the face plz
[20:12] <oerheks> latino31, yes i know the menu, but not 16.10 versions in 17.04 ..
[20:12] <oerheks> latino31, screenshot please?
[20:13] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I don't have to "bash" ya - yer doing it to yerself (which is the worst kind, really) - huge face palm...EITHER WHICH, I'd personally start writing out a list of priorities...and then work them that way (Plan the work, work the plan - and have a "back out" plan)
[20:13] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: are there at least things I can do from here to diagnose what the issue could be?
[20:15] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Since the "adding of the ppa" isn't working, kill that process. That's first. Secondly, I'd be "pinging" things from that server to see exactly what's up - doing traceroutes and the likes...like to other machines on that "local" network...and after that, doing traceroutes to the "outside world" to see where "hangs" are...know what I mean jellybean?
[20:18] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah... I'll do what I can
[20:19] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: What DNS servers is the machine using? Just wondering...it might be a good idea to set the "Google DNS" - that is, IF it's not going against corporate policy and procedure...
[20:23] <ppf> ash_workz: what's the problem?
[20:23] <ash_workz> ppf somethings are taking forever to pull
[20:23] <ash_workz> ppf: on a remote server
[20:26] <ppf> pull meaning what?
[20:27] <YankDownUnder> ppf: The remote server he's working on - he's trying to add a ppa, but it's hanging. As well, the network that the remote server is sitting on is flaky and slow.
[20:27] <latino31> i think i see something that needs to be fixed for 17.04...in software and updates section..and where it says ubuntu software and you can check those sections like community maninted and free and open source software...even after deleting the sections that reference yaketty yak in the other software...when I uncheck and put back the settings it puts back boxes that refernce yaketty yak again
[20:27] <ikonia> latino31: log a bug
[20:29] <ppf> ash_workz: time to get a new hoster, maybe?
[20:30] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: I dunno if I'd say it's flaky
[20:30] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: it is serving webpages, albeit slowly
[20:31] <Epx998> why the heck are there no current docs on pxe booting a live cd. buh.
[20:32] <banyantree> Hello.
[20:32] <banyantree> is somebody using mpd?
[20:33] <banyantree> i need some help with my mpd.comf > audio_output
[20:34] <latino31> what happened to the new terminal button in 17.04?
[20:35] <Cust0sLimen> flooz
[20:35] <Cust0sLimen> how do I make a USB that is persistent ?
[20:35] <oerheks> latino31, nothing, it is still the same
[20:36] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: IMHO, slow is flaky. Shaky is flaky. Intermittent is flaky. Not working proper = flaky. Living in Texas = flaky. IMHO... :)
[20:36] <latino31> oerheks, im right clicking and dont see it...but maybe after a reboot it will come back dunno
[20:36] <ppf> ash_workz: it's the 21st century, life's too short for a bad internet connection
[20:36] <ppf> get a new hoster ;)
[20:37] <latino31> anyone here upgraded to 17.04?
[20:38] <stevehope> Me, although I've used it a few days longer as i was helping to test the iso
[20:38] <latino31> stevehope, right click the terminal button do you see new terminal?
[20:39] <latino31> i have it locked to my sidebar
[20:40] <oerheks> right click the terminal does not give a 2nd terminal, just open a new tab in current terminal or top panel > terminal > new terminal
[20:40] <stevehope> if its docked to your right side toolbar you need to left click it to open
[20:41] <latino31> well its my left side bar.. and I know how to open it i use the terminal a lot but i dont see new terminal...
[20:41] <latino31> stevehope, do you see new terminal?
[20:41] <oerheks> latino31, ctrl alt T opens a new terminal too
[20:42] <stevehope> oh you mean tabbed terminals, it's the default, the tabs are separate instances if thats what youre asking
[20:42] <latino31> yes i can open a new terminal another way oerheks but i dont see the new terminal tab where it used to be ...
[20:42] <banyantree> win+enter opens in i3
[20:42] <latino31> stevehope, when i right click the locked terminal button there was a section called new terminal
[20:43] <latino31> stevehope, where you can right click the terminal icon and see quit, unlock from launcher etc
[20:43] <stevehope> Yes, as thats a shortcut link to open terminal, its not always on
[20:43] <latino31> stevehope, sorry im not sure of the correct terminology :) thanks ... is there a way to flip that back on
[20:43] <stevehope> OR if terminal is started it will put terminal on top of other windows
[20:44] <latino31> stevehope, do you have items to locked to your side bar?
[20:44] <oerheks> latino31, so it is gone
[20:44] <stevehope> you could add it to your startup tasks if you want an open terminal on desktop at login
[20:44] <latino31> stevehope, or locked to launcher?
[20:45] <oerheks> latino31, found it: press mousewheel on the icon on your unity panel
[20:45] <latino31> stevehope, start up terminal,,,right click the icon and check lock to launcher
[20:46] <stevehope> be back in a min i will
[20:46] <latino31> whats the mousewheel again lol
[20:47] <oerheks> latino31, if you have no mouse scroll wheel, there are many ways to open a new terminl, get used to it
[20:48] <latino31> this is the first i have heard of mouse scroll wheel ...but i had new terminal on 16.04..by righ clicking the icon on the launcher left side bar
[20:48] <stevehope> you could also assign a hot-key or macro to it
[20:48] <latino31> i mean 16.10
[20:48] <oerheks> hotkey exist for years now, ctrl alt t
[20:48] <latino31> i know how to launch a new terminal i was pointing out that its not there like it was on 16.10
[20:49] <banyantree> is somebody using i3?
[20:49] <stevehope> to add terminal to the luanch bar... click the top button to open search, type terminal, click or enter
[20:49] <ppf> banyantree: many people are
[20:49] <latino31> stevehope, i already have terminal on the launch bar
[20:49] <latino31> but before right clicking it on the launch bar gave the new terminal option
[20:49] <banyantree> ppf: i mean in here =)
[20:49] <stevehope> the on the control bar check set to luancher ill have to look up wording
[20:49] <ppf> yes, that too :)
[20:50] <oerheks> latino31, so it is gone (lol)
[20:50] <latino31> yes
[20:50] <latino31> it seems
[20:50] <ppf> (not me though, i'm using awesomewm)
[20:50] <stevehope> you can add it to the sidebar same as any app
[20:50] <banyantree> i still need help with polybar
[20:50] <latino31> stevehope, run terminal, right click the icon ...select lock to launcher....then right click the terminal icon on the sidebar and see if you see "new terminal"
[20:55] <latino31> oerheks, look at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/35488/what-custom-launchers-and-unity-quicklists-are-available/39532#39532... look at section 33 about the terminal... there is no longer new window or new terminal there like on the screen shot... stevehope you can look too if you want...
[20:56] <qis> How can I fix randomly not working mouse clicks?
[20:56] <qis> Actually, most of the time not working and randomly working for a few seconds.
[20:56] <ppf> qis: clean your mouse
[20:56] <qis> Movement is fine.
[20:56] <ppf> and/or try another one ;)
[20:56] <qis> ppf: It works fine on Windows 10 and FreeBSD. It's clean.
[20:57] <qis> Oh, just noticed that selecting a specific acceleration with a mouse button lets me use it. Not sure for how long.
[20:57] <YankDownUnder> qis: Wireless?
[20:58] <qis> YankDownUnder: No, it's a R.A.T.7
[20:58] <YankDownUnder> qis: I'll pretend I know what that is, eh?
[20:59] <qis> YankDownUnder: gaming mouse http://techreport.com/r.x/cyborg-rat7/personal.jpg
[20:59] <phelix> I can not for the life of me figure out why build-dep is not an available package.
[20:59] <phelix> I have reinstalled my sources.list file multiple times and ran apt-get update and it still says that package doesn't exist
[21:01] <ppf> phelix: that's not an existing package
[21:01] <phelix> i just realized lol
[21:01] <phelix> i need to remove the install from the apt-get
[21:01] <phelix> geezz
[21:01] <ppf> remove the what?
[21:02] <ppf> what is it you want to do exactly?
[21:02] <phelix> i was trying to use it with apt-get install
[21:02] <YankDownUnder> Do you mean "build-essential" - instead of "build-dep"?
[21:02] <phelix> build-dep an image
[21:02] <phelix> yes
[21:02] <pixel> hi
[21:02] <phelix> i figured out what i was doing
[21:02] <ppf> build-dep an image?
[21:02] <ppf> you aren't making sense :)
[21:03] <phelix> linux-image-$(uname -r)
[21:03] <qis> Nope, still randomly stops recognizing clicks.
[21:03] <Guest75853> How do I change Window Title Bar transparency in Gnome?
[21:03] <ppf> phelix: full sentences please :)
[21:04] <ppf> what is it you want to do?
[21:05] <ash_workz> is mod_php basically the way php is installed when you run `apt-get install php...` on ubuntu? (rather than fcgi_php for example)
[21:06] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Not sure - have you looked through the Ubuntu dox on php?
[21:06] <Guest75853> How do I change Window Title Bar transparency in Gnome?
[21:07] <ppf> ash_workz: no
[21:07] <ppf> mod_php is the apache plugin for php
[21:07] <oerheks> Guest75853, gnome-tweak-tool maybe? i am not on gnome, can't look it up
[21:09] <ash_workz> ppf: okay, so what _does_ it do? I don't think that mod existed on the system prior to using `apt-get install` ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:09] <ppf> it's an apache plugin that allows apache to parse and translate php files
[21:11] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Did you back this server up prior to your "upgrade"?
[21:11] <ppf> the php you install through apt is a meta package. it's possible that it also installs mod_php as well
[21:12] <ppf> !depends php
[21:13] <wafflejock> ash_workz, yup like ppf says php is a meta package points to the latest released PHP for the version of ubuntu on 16.04 points to "php7.0-fpm | libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-cgi, php7.0-common"
[21:13] <wafflejock> ash_workz, you can use apt-cache show packagename to get details, php says it uses 7.0 the 7.0 package has the list of dependencies I pasted here
[21:14] <ppf> the | means 'logical or' here
[21:14] <ppf> so you get one of the server php interpreters
[21:15] <qis> Could it be an ultrawide display problem that's causing mouse clicks not to register? Or rather, they do register but not by the window I click into.
[21:15] <ppf> i guess it goes left to right? meaning you'd get fpm through just installing oho
[21:15] <ppf> php
[21:17] <wafflejock> ash_workz, once you install a package you can use dpkg -L packagename to see the list of files the package installed as well, can be useful for finding config files or other stuff
[21:18] <ash_workz> wafflejock: yeah, that isn't really where my confusion lies
[21:18] <wafflejock> ppf, yeah not entirely sure might be that ash_workz is on a different version of ubuntu I didn't catch that part
[21:18] <oerheks> qis,  you told earlier that your mouse has " specific acceleration with a mouse button lets me use it. Not sure for how long." so it is your mouse, not a general ubuntu issue
[21:19] <ppf> ash_workz: what ubuntu is this
[21:19] <ppf> cat /etc/*-release
[21:19] <ash_workz> ppf 16.04
[21:19] <ppf> okay
[21:20] <qis> oerheks: Not sure if it is. Either Linux or Ubuntu issue. Works fine in FreeBSD X11.
[21:20] <nacc> ash_workz: what is your php question?
[21:21] <ash_workz> I really appreciate everyone jumping in here; there is a honestly a lot I don't get but I gtg pretty soon and I know that my questions are just too involved
[21:22] <ppf> ash_workz: did you ask a question yet? what's the problem you're solving?
[21:22] <ash_workz> ppf: it's not a problem anymore; it's just a brain thing.
[21:22] <nacc> ash_workz: by default 'php' will install libapache2-mod-php -> libapache2-mod-php7.0 which is the apache module for using php
[21:22] <nacc> ash_workz: if you want the cli, you need php-cli
[21:24] <ash_workz> nacc: I see. I was confused because apparently their are several ways to install php (to use apache) and (idk for sure but) it seems like that is not the ideal way (anymore?) https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/php
[21:25] <nacc> ash_workz: installing php and using php are sort of different things (terminology wise)
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: the apache default (in 16.04) was switched to php-fpm, but that was a diversion from debian and has been changed back in later releases
[21:26] <nacc> *the php default
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: note also that page is out of date already
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: as it explicilty mentions php5_module
[21:28] <ppf> nacc: not for me
[21:28] <ppf> tried it just then, gives me fpm by default
[21:29] <ppf> (xenial)
[21:29] <nacc> ppf: yes, that's what i just said?
[21:29] <nacc> "the php default was swtiched to php-fpm"
[21:29] <nacc> (in 16.04)
[21:29] <ppf> nacc: right, sorry. i read from the top and answered before i got to the bottom :)
[21:29] <nacc> later releases default back to libapache2-mod-php just like debian does
[21:30] <nacc> ppf: np :)
[21:30] <oerheks> qis, i think the driver for bsd working better, file a bugreport perhaps?
[21:30] <oerheks> !bug
[21:30] <ppf> and i can confirm, it gives me mod_php on zesty :)
[21:30] <nacc> ppf: :)
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: A question is eating at the back of my mind - is this a production server with a special app or database or website that requires PHP5? And again, was it backed up prior to the upgrade...?
[21:33] <Epx998> pxe booting a live is kicking my butt
[21:33] <Epx998> nothing wants to work buh
[21:35] <qis> oerheks: It looks more like a windowing system problem.
[21:35] <qis> oerheks: If I have multiple windows on top of each other, the click is received by the underlying window. Totally weird.
[21:35] <ppf> what DE/WM is this?
[21:36] <qis> default ubuntu installation, unity I suppose
[21:38] <oerheks> "underlying windows" this is new info
[21:38] <qis> Yes, just noticed it.
[21:39] <qis> xev registers the clicks just fine but I cannot drag the xev window.
[21:43] <qis> Oh, also very interesting: I switched to mouse over focus mode. As soon as the issue reappears, focus does not change on mouseover.
[21:45] <eriswans> Is it normal for security bug reports made via launchpad to sit in new:undecided for 2 weeks with zero activity?
[21:46] <nacc> eriswans: link?
[21:46] <qis> eriswans: Make a blog post and publish it on reddit. Publicity tends to speed things up in the OSS world.
[21:46] <eriswans> 1678349 (not including full link because I don't want to tip off about the package)
[21:47] <wedgie> eriswans: is it ubuntu specific or is it something that you may want to report to the upstream project for whatever package it is?
[21:47] <oerheks> eriswans, security bug filed with "private" ??
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> qis: I just thought of something - I had a situation with Unity before - and a "gaming mouse" - and if I recall, I ended up using "unity-tweak-tool" to sort it out - that, and there was something else...I think it was "mapping" the buttons...was last year...
[21:47] <eriswans> It's not ubuntu-specific but ubuntu is the only distro that packages this software.
[21:48] <qis> YankDownUnder: Thanks but wouldn't xev display the wrong button number when the issue appears? That's not the case.
[21:48] <qis> And why does mouseover focus stop working?
[21:49] <oerheks> ericnoan, without knowing what package, is it supported by ubuntu or does it come from universe ???
[21:49] <oerheks> eriswans ^^
[21:49] <eriswans> Universe.
[21:51] <nacc> eriswans: only main is officially supported by ubuntu-security, aiui
[21:51] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main
[21:51] <nacc> eriswans: if you provided the fix already, then it might get moved along, but universe security fixes are not necessarily a priority (again aiui)
[21:51] <wedgie> might try to track down the package maintainer and ping them
[21:52] <viju> Hi, I am running sudo dpkg --configure -a and it's stuck on cups-ademon
[21:53] <eriswans> Ah, no, no patch. Would be useful if there was some feedback in the process that security-private bugs for universe are a black hole.
[21:53] <oerheks> eriswans, now you know
[21:53] <nacc> eriswans: it's sort of definitional in universe
[21:53] <nacc> eriswans: per the above wiki page
[21:54] <nacc> eriswans: and it's not clear it's actually a black hole, just probably not a priority
[21:55] <ppf> !paste | viju
[21:56] <viju> ppf just one line it shows - sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:57] <viju> Setting up cups-daemon (1.7.5-11+deb8u1) ...
[21:57] <viju> y
[21:57] <ppf> alright. can you increase verbosity of dpkg?
[21:57] <ppf> i.e. enable debug output
[21:58] <eriswans> nacc: Can totally understand it being a low priority, just figured it'd actually get triaged as such instead of sitting at undecided.
[21:58] <nacc> eriswans: true, not sure on it, let me ask
[21:58] <oerheks> viju, cups-daemon 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 ?? what ubuntu is this
[21:59] <rowe> Does anyone have experience with FreeSpace2 Open? I'm having a difficult time compiling the launcher, and with finding a precompiled launcher out on the web.
[22:00] <nacc> rowe: have you tried 'freespace2-launcher'? and/or freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher ?
[22:00] <bray90820> Can anyone recommend a tablet to run the ubuntu?
[22:01] <nacc> rowe: it's in multiverse
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: it's the wxlauncher that I'm trying to compile, but it just won't work.
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: is there a precompiled one there?
[22:01] <nacc> rowe: why are you compiling it?
[22:01] <banyantree> i cant recomennend anyone but i am curious what do you like to do with it?
[22:01] <oerheks> bray90820, bq Aquaris M10 runs ubuntu fine
[22:01] <Digit_01> I had a quite dire problem with Ubuntu Budgie 17.04
[22:01] <banyantree> *anything
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: building it from source, rather.
[22:02] <nacc> rowe: why? it's a binary package?
[22:02] <nacc> rowe: /usr/games/freespace2-launcher ?
[22:02] <Digit_01> In the installer I choose "replace ubuntu 16.04", well, it also replaced my windows partition
[22:02] <bray90820> oerheks: That's running ubuntu touch which is dead
[22:02] <rowe> nacc: could you throw me a link? There is no launcher in my FreeSpace folder.
[22:02] <banyantree> i installed recently ubuntu touch on a nexus 4 but i'm not that happy with it
[22:03] <nacc> !info freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher | rowe
[22:03] <viju> oerheks: that's debian, sorry out of habit I asked here.
[22:03] <nacc> rowe: it's in trusty and on, afaict
[22:03] <nacc> rowe: make sure you have multiverse enabled and `sudo apt update; sudo apt install freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher` ?)
[22:04] <rowe> nacc: How can I enable multiverse if you don't mind me asking?
[22:04] <nacc> !components | rowe
[22:04] <bray90820> oerheks: I was looking to run the desktop version of ubuntu on a tablet
[22:04] <ppf> viju: you should ask this in #debian, then. but they'll be interested in debug output from dpkg, too :)
[22:07] <rowe> nacc: cool, I downloaded from the repository. After that, do I just put it in my Freespace Open install folder
[22:07] <rowe> ?
[22:08] <nacc> rowe: why are you downloading it?
[22:08] <nacc> rowe: just install it
[22:08] <rowe> nacc: I installed it, I mean. Sorry, I'm a new Linux user. Now do I just run it, or does it need to be somewhere in particular?
[22:08] <oerheks> bray90820, the arch wiki gives 3, surface pro 3, Samsung Series 7 Slate XE700T1A and an Asus T300
[22:09] <bray90820> oerheks: Thanks
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: i don't think you need to do anything -- it should be in games now? or you can run /usr/games/freespace2-launcher i think
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: i have no idea about the package itself, i'm just seeing it's packaged and so you shouldn't need to build it yourself
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: or read /usr/share/doc/freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher/README.Debian
[22:13] <skinux> What is the command to remove PPA by name?
[22:13] <nacc> skinux: ppa-purge?
[22:13] <skinux> For example, I need to remove PPA for Cherokee server
[22:13] <oerheks> ppa-purge <cherokee-server-ppa-name>
[22:16] <rowe> nacc: Okay, so I think I went backwards. The first thing I did was install the GOG version of Freespace 2 with Wine, then I ran the .jar installer for FS2 Open, then I went to you and got the launcher.
[22:17] <rowe> nacc: I think I went about this the wrong way.
[22:17] <skinux> It's complaining that the PPAs don't have Release files
[22:17] <oerheks> skinux, ohh, then nothing got installed, just comment it out in softwaresources
[22:18] <skinux> Okay.
[22:18] <debkad> hello, It seem that i can't access youtube from chromium or firefox, fire fox tell me this: (Error code: ssl_error_protocol_version_alert)
[22:18] <nacc> rowe: afaict, you don't need wine for freespace2 it's in the archive too, but you need the cd files
[22:19] <nacc> rowe: the wine version will be totally different and i have no idea
[22:19] <debkad> I use 14.04 for info
[22:21] <ppf> debkad: what firefox/chromium version are you using
[22:21] <debkad> ppf: firefox 28.0, chromium 53.0.2785.143
[22:22] <kostkon> debkad, 28??
[22:22] <debkad> yeah
[22:22] <nacc> !info firefox trusty
[22:22] <oerheks>  firefox is @ v 52
[22:22] <debkad> oh
[22:22] <kostkon> debkad, and there's a reason behind that?
[22:22] <nacc> debkad: no idea what you're doing but i'm guessing you're not using -updates or -security
[22:22] <nacc> which is a terrible idea (the latter at least)
[22:22] <oerheks> debkad, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:22] <debkad> no, i tryed to update/upgrade without a chance
[22:23] <oerheks> you might be 10 kernels behind too ..
[22:23] <nacc> pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[22:23] <ppf> nacc: is saying that you've disabled the -updates or -security repos
[22:23] <nacc> or never enabled themm, or something
[22:23] <kostkon> debkad, apt-cache policy firefox
[22:23] <debkad> that will take a while on Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com trusty/universe Translation-fr_FR
[22:24] <debkad> ok
[22:24] <nacc> debkad: hrm?
[22:24] <nacc> debkad: that's still the release pocket (for universe)
[22:25] <ppf> debkad: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:25] <debkad> it still hanging but in another one
[22:25] <debkad> ah i remember i changed dz to fr on that file
[22:26] <debkad> kostkon: http://ix.io/qG2
[22:26] <ppf> no, i mean: check it for -updates and -security
[22:26] <debkad> one sec
[22:27] <debkad> ppf: there is none of those
[22:27] <debkad> i disabled the auto update ( the gui ) in few days ago, it might be the reason?
[22:28] <oerheks> debkad, noo, it can't be that ... wait, are you serious?
[22:29] <debkad> yeah i did it oerheks
[22:29] <debkad> let me check the gui source
[22:30] <kostkon> debkad, you're missing some repos, open Software & Updates to re-enable them
[22:30] <Guy1524> hey guys, I using Ubuntu 16.04 on a computer w/ 4 GB of RAM.  Unfortunately, a lot of it is being consumed by Ubuntu.  Here you can see the total usage: http://i.imgur.com/VcH3rnj.png  Its a lot but when i try to see what is eating it up, I go in to the processes tab and sort by memory: http://i.imgur.com/v1XzJCh.png   compiz has the highest memory usage, which is only 40 MB though
[22:30] <Guy1524> this is without firefox up
[22:30] <debkad> kostkon: I must check all the unchecked?
[22:31] <nacc> Guy1524: memory usage is good
[22:31] <ppetraki> Guy1524, what does free -h say?
[22:31] <nacc> Guy1524: not using memory is bad
[22:31] <debkad> kostkon: there is: trusty-security, -updates, proposed and -backports
[22:31] <kostkon> debkad, one to avoid is Proposed, Enable everything else
[22:31] <debkad> thanks
[22:31] <Guy1524> used gives me the same information
[22:32] <Guy1524> actually
[22:32] <Guy1524> in free -h, used is 400 MB less
[22:32] <ppetraki> Guy1524, buff/cached is what im interested in
[22:32] <Guy1524> well keep in mind this is w/ firefox now open, buff/cache is 605M
[22:32] <debkad> It seem that the update is fast now
[22:33] <ppetraki> Guy1524,  so about a 1/4 of your available ram is cached
[22:33] <bb88> so wait, unity 8 is no more? so what's next?
[22:33] <kostkon> debkad, now open your updater and apply the updates
[22:33] <debkad> yes it is in the rouad :)
[22:33] <bb88> rouad?
[22:33] <bb88> so unity 7 is just going to continue evolving? no wayland?
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524, so if things start to get slow for you. you can force linux to dump that cache
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524,  sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
[22:34] <Guy1524> cool, thx
[22:34] <debkad> bb88: road i think
[22:34] <bb88> so wayland is dead as well?
[22:34] <bb88> or just unity 8?
[22:34] <debkad> my english is horible
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524, in the meanwhile, as long as you're not having performance problems your memory usage looks fine
[22:35] <debkad> wow many things are updating
[22:35] <Guy1524> well, the problem is when I try to run a huge mc modpack, it fills my memory
[22:35] <nacc> Guy1524: memory being full is not in and of itself a bug
[22:35] <Guy1524> but this will definitely help, thx
[22:35] <ppetraki> Guy1524, though it would be best if you had atleast 8G of ram. webbrowsers with their sandboxes consume oddles of ram
[22:35] <ppetraki> Guy1524, yw
[22:35] <Guy1524> ya, thats why i use firefox
[22:35] <Guy1524> ive heard it uses less than chrome
[22:35] <Guy1524> cya
[22:36] <ppetraki> o/
[22:36] <kostkon> !ram
[22:36] <nacc> kostkon: thanks
[22:37] <cabuloso> bb88, wayland is going to continue being developed, but probably not focused on desktop.
[22:37] <bb88> cabuloso: that's so stupid
[22:37] <bb88> guess i'll be migrating to fedora
[22:38] <Ben64> you're thinking of mir i think
[22:38] <oerheks> cabuloso, probably not focused on desktop ??? wher edid you get that info?
[22:39] <bb88> Ben64: yes, mir
[22:39] <bb88> still better than X
[22:39] <bb88> so ubuntu is planning to just stay with X forever?
[22:39] <Ben64> wayland
[22:39] <bb88> unity 7 will run on wayland?
[22:39] <oerheks> omg ..
[22:39] <Ben64> unity is going away...
[22:39] <compdoc> lol
[22:39] <oerheks> troll night, i am off
[22:39] <bb88> what will unity be replaced by?
[22:39] <Ben64> gnome
[22:39] <compdoc> gnome3
[22:39] <bb88> what?
[22:39] <bb88> i'm okay with that
[22:39] <Ben64> GNOME
[22:40] <bb88> ya i'm not opposed to gnome
[22:40] <bb88> prefer it to unity
[22:40] <debkad> so many question :)
[22:41] <bb88> so will GNOME replace unity for 18.04?
[22:41] <bb88> hopefully
[22:41] <Epx998> never had my butt kicked as bad as making a new netboot initrd.gz is kicking it
[22:41] <debkad> as you like they do
[22:49] <cabuloso> bb88, X will be supported for a long time
[22:54] <chromium_issue> I am using Chromium. While on Youtube when I switch to Fullscreen mode the system freezes, sound goues on then the Video plays ...Same happens when I switch to windowed mode
[22:57] <debkad> chromium_issue: try to use 720P if you use 1080, and 480P if 720P ... and see if the resolution is the problem or something else
[22:58] <debkad> or try disabling the acceleration
[22:59] <chromium_issue> debkad, Just checked its playing at 360p ....
[22:59] <chromium_issue> Trying now
[22:59] <debkad> ok
[23:00] <debkad> start chromium with --disable-gpu
[23:01] <debkad> my pc is old and slow, i use mpv, it work very good
[23:02] <RYDeN> hola
[23:02] <RYDeN> que tal?
[23:02] <chromium_issue> --disable-gpu has improved the delay slightly...I will try n restart and see if that helps
[23:03] <debkad> yeah that will help a little
[23:08] <debkad> chromium_issue: you can also install mpv and let me know if that make you happy :)
[23:18] <pezdispenser> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu Gnome 17.04  > upon boot says, default boot device missing or boot failed,     why?
[23:19] <SchrodingersScat> so do I simply wait for zombie processes to be cleaned up by some process I don't understand?
[23:19] <compdoc> pezdispenser, how many drives are in the system?
[23:19] <pezdispenser> compdoc: Only One primary HDD
[23:20] <compdoc> pezdispenser, you using uefi?
[23:20] <karim_> hi
[23:20] <karim_> what is the command to make a deb package from a make install ?
[23:20] <karim_> i can't remember
[23:20] <debkad> dpkg i think
[23:20] <karim_> no
[23:20] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  It doesnt detect any drives in legacy,   It's running in uefi Yes
[23:20] <debkad> oh
[23:20] <debkad> apt-something may be
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> karim_: installcheck?
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> !info installcheck
[23:21] <karim_> checkinstall
[23:21] <karim_> or something
[23:21] <karim_> i remember
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> one of them
[23:21] <compdoc> pezdispenser, most system have a boot menu if you hit f11 or whatever key before it boots. see if there are other choices to boot in the menu
[23:22] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Me, I want to know the why (pstree). Reference: http://askubuntu.com/questions/111422/how-to-find-zombie-process .
[23:22] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I've entered the bios, switched between legacy and uefi, disabled secure boot,   no other choices as I see,  made sure the HDD is first on the boot order as well
[23:22] <compdoc> pezdispenser, thats not what I said
[23:23] <GlitchKen> hector?
[23:23] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  sorry,  f11 towards bios? or towards booting from a usb
[23:23] <compdoc> towards bios, if i take you meaning
[23:23] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I understand. boot menu, yes
[23:24] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I have  - try ubuntu gnome without installing,   install ubuntu gnome, OEM install for manufactureres.   check disc for defects
[23:25] <karim_> SchrodingersScat, checkinstall it was
[23:25] <compdoc> that sounds like booting from the cd or usb
[23:25] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: the zombie is the ipfs command, i killed the bash process that was running it, was that bad? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24383634/
[23:25] <SchrodingersScat> karim_: right-o
[23:25] <compdoc> *that sounds like the installer when booting from the cd or usb
[23:26] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  yes,   without the usb my "f9"  has no result,  it only boots the screen i first mentioned,  missing boot device or boot failed screed
[23:30] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Well that depends on what file shating processes ya have going on . Killing the parent should generally kill the childs, no ?
[23:31] <Bashing-om> sharing*
[23:31] <SchrodingersScat> oddly similar to what my mother said before the police came through the door and took her away
[23:31] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I'll be back after a reinstallation
[23:32] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: I have to kill systemd?  systemd(1)───ipfs(5235)─┬─{ipfs}(5241)
[23:32] <Guma> Any one here is using KVM on Ubuntu server? I just installed for the first time and got it working. But got a question about shutting down host. Do you have to manually shutdown all guests or it you shutdown host it will automatically send messages to guests and wait for them
[23:33] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Ouch ! Ya kill 1 .. that is the system ! everything runs under PID1 .
[23:34] <Guma> I googled fro it and different people say different this.
[23:35] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: I would expect " 5241 " as that zombie .
[23:37] <MWM> I am wondering if there are any workarounds to have different wallpapers on each virtual desktop in KDE
[23:38] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: ps aux | grep 'Z': 5235  3.9  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   18:26   2:36 [ipfs] <defunct> is the only one, five children of that though. any quick way to kill it?
[23:38] <AlexUbuntu> Quick question: I have Ubuntu 16.04 installed on a persistent USB and loaded into RAM
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> it works great, but I am being auto logged in as ubuntu
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> Rather than as the user account I created
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> Any idea why?
[23:39] <PWP> I'm searching for help with Zenmap beyond documentation at nmap.org, can anyone assist?
[23:40] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/779358/autologin-with-lightdm-on-xenial-16-04 [23:40] <wedgie> PWP: probably much better off asking in #nmap
[23:42] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Let me check this out
[23:44] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: oh, I had it going to a FUSE thing, and that must have been holding it up
[23:45] <PWP> thank you wedgie, im there now.
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, I think this is it
[23:46] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Ya got it ? As what ya want to do is kill the child of the offending process  - has been my experience .
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Do I set auto-login user to false?
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Right now it is: autologin-user=ubuntu
[23:46] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: THAT is up to YOU...
[23:46] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: i threw a bunch of kill commands at the children, but killing the acdcli process (twice) took care of it
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Okay, let me rephrase: if I set autologin-user=false will that prevent any autologin?
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: For "persistent" USB's - because I use them on jobsites - I set them to NOT automagically login...
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, I just don't know if I have the correct syntax
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Or will it want to autologin a user named "false"?
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: Leave it blank.
[23:48] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Excellent thanks
[23:48] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Lol, don't have necessary permissions to overwrite it
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: Use sudo...best from a terminal, really...but we're all different...
[23:50] <debkad> I think i can't wait more than that as the dist-upgrade is freezing on" Paramétrage de pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.3ubuntu1.1) ..." for more than 15 minutes
[23:51] <mininessie> Hi
[23:51] <mininessie> Anyone here
[23:51] <amr_> me
[23:51] <amr_> hi
[23:52] <amr_> what
[23:52] <amr_> 's up
[23:54] <jk0ne> hi.
[23:57] <debkad> By the way, no fix for viewing youtube