[00:21] <ali1234> diddledan: beer
[00:22] <daftykins> there was an amusing piece on Radio 2 that spoke of easter being a common time for all sorts of DIY injuries due to folks having a crack at something over the break
[00:22] <ali1234> yeah. plus beer
[00:22] <daftykins> cue my neighbour assembling some kind of wooden thing with a power tool earlier XD
[00:22] <daftykins> i wasn't referring to that :)
[00:23] <ali1234> i bet there's a lot of DIY + beer going on tho
[00:23] <daftykins> oooh yes
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> diy AND beer... darwins favourite
[07:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:33] <diddledan> hahahaha: https://youtu.be/6filPCtrt0c
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> sadly fake... http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp i think i first heard of this back in the 70s or 80s. they used it in an advert in the 90s for something or the other... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePi4dieDS8Y
[12:37] <m0nkey_> Is the Galaxy S7 worth getting? I know it's just over a year old already. I'm just looking for a good phone that's cheap. The S7 I can get for $150 down.
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> and you know after a year that it won't explode... but it will get a year less updates than the new shiny one
[12:38] <m0nkey_> I may be able to get the LG G6 if I trade in an old device.
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> so if you hold phones for a long time the update thing might be applicable
[12:38] <m0nkey_> Two years, tops.
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> so check if when the last update for the s5 was?
[12:39] <m0nkey_> Aug 2016
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> not too bad...
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> unless a doozy of a bug is found that doesn't get patched...
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> so it might just cut short the last few months if a bug is found...
[12:42] <m0nkey_> My work device, a Note 4, got an update Nov 16
[12:43] <m0nkey_> I can get the LG's latest G6. There is a minimum $400 credit for trading in an old iPhone 4.
[12:43] <m0nkey_> I just so happen to have an old iPhone 4.
[12:43] <m0nkey_> That would make it $100 down for the phone.
[12:43] <m0nkey_> So, anyone tried the G6? :)
[12:43]  * zmoylan-pi still has an iphone 3g on a shelf charged for giving out the sms number to those annoying we need an sms number for
[12:54] <charged> you called?
[12:56]  * zmoylan-pi tries to insert usb cable to make sure you're fully charged
[12:56] <charged> lel
[13:39] <m0nkey_> I just found three ants dragging a spider corpse.
[13:39] <diddledan> haha. that's impressive ambition
[13:40] <m0nkey_> I looked over at the floor and saw this 'thing' moving. I could see it was a spider, but as it got closer, I noticed it wasn't actually moving itself.
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> not as interesting of the story this week of ants dragging back injured ants to the nest after raiding termite nest
[13:46] <diddledan> noone left behind!
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> they leave the dead and the ones that can't be saved...
[14:20] <foobarry> cash ISAs are a joke :(
[14:20] <foobarry> nobody wants my money
[14:21] <diddledan> you can give it to me
[14:21] <diddledan> I'll take anyone's money
[14:21] <diddledan> T&Cs apply
[14:21] <diddledan> specifically the T&C that I get to keep it
[14:22] <foobarry> maybe i need a peronal planner to sort all this out
[14:23] <foobarry> i had a bunch of money earning 0.05% because th ebank didn't tell me
[14:23] <foobarry> will you pay me interest diddledan
[14:24] <diddledan> no
[14:25] <foobarry> still on a par with most banks
[14:25] <foobarry> do i get a toy or money box?
[14:30] <diddledan> you get the warm fuzzy feeling that you've lost your money
[14:31] <foobarry> looks like ISAs are dying
[14:31] <foobarry> most banks are offering better rates on savngs accounts
[14:31] <diddledan> yeah, we use PCI now
[14:31] <foobarry> :P
[14:31] <foobarry> pcie
[14:31] <diddledan> \o/
[14:31] <diddledan> gotta love that e
[14:32] <diddledan> PCI just isn't great unless it's pcie
[14:32] <diddledan> being serious for a moment about money, though: I think part of the problem is that interest rates set by the BoE are so low
[14:42] <foobarry> and that banks are thieves
[14:43] <foobarry> flipping you from 1% to 0.05% on an account you decide to withdraw at will is thieving
[14:45] <diddledan> yeah
[14:45] <diddledan> there is that
[15:23] <penguin42> foobarry: I think they're offering approximately the same rate after tax on both - which is a rip off
[15:26] <foobarry> there's no tax on interest now
[15:26] <foobarry> not until you earn a lot
[15:29] <penguin42> yeh well, there's the problem
[15:31] <foobarry> oh great. paid a load of savings money from one bank to another. only it hasn't arrived at the other
[15:31] <foobarry> and everyones off till tuesday now
[15:37] <penguin42> the phone-banky people are still around
[15:58] <foobarry> it arrived phew
[16:15] <diddledan> let me guess. needed to be there for bills to be taken?
[16:24] <penguin42> or just worried when a blob of money went
[17:33] <ali1234> thanks for the plug popey
[17:33] <ali1234> to who ever said "why cant the pi zero do this by default" - it can, you just have to use a normal USB cable
[17:59] <foobarry> do what ali1234 ?
[18:28] <directhex_> we added a pi 1/0 compatible repo! http://www.mono-project.com/download/alpha/#download-lin-raspbian
[18:28] <brobostigon> :)
[18:35] <penguin42> directhex_: That must have been a PITA - pi 1 is so uselessly different on the CPU
[18:36] <ali1234> directhex_: does it have support for raspberry pi proprietary gpu drivers?
[18:36] <ali1234> mono in general i mean
[18:36] <ali1234> Qt does...
[18:38] <directhex_> ali1234: "we have no product announcements to make at this time"
[18:39] <ali1234> so not currently?
[18:39] <ali1234> by "support" i mean "it might work" not "we guarantee it works"
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> Isn't there a sane GPU driver for the Pi now?
[18:40] <ali1234> no. there is an open source one but there is nothing sane about it
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[18:40] <ali1234> the gpu architecture itself is insane
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[18:41] <ali1234> directhex_: suite=alpha-raspbianjessie sections=main?
[18:42] <directhex_> ali1234: right
[18:42] <ali1234> what should i nstall if i just want to run things not develop?
[18:42] <directhex_> ali1234: mono, at this point, just sees a normal desktop linux target on pi. there might be pi-centric libs on nuget tho
[18:42] <ali1234> i have no desktop
[18:42] <ali1234> so i guess this will effectively be command line only
[18:42] <directhex_> mono-runtime is enough to run hello world
[18:43] <ali1234> k
[18:44] <ali1234> going to throw it into this: https://github.com/ali1234/rpi-ramdisk
[18:44] <directhex_> strictly speaking it's enough to run `gacutil`, the command for registering system-wide .net libs. so that's more than just hello world
[18:45] <ali1234> is "hello world" packaged so i can test it?
[18:45] <ali1234> or something else...
[18:49] <ali1234> directhex_: your repo is compatible with apt-cacher-ng.... docker's isn't :)
[18:49] <directhex_> try `gacutil -l`?
[18:49] <ali1234> okay
[18:50] <ali1234> the postinst ran without any errors...
[18:51] <ali1234> image size only increased by 19M compressed... that's pretty good
[18:52] <directhex_> it'd be less without enough to run gacutil
[18:55] <ali1234> booting...
[18:55] <ali1234> it works :)
[18:57] <directhex_> directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test$ du -hs .
[18:57] <directhex_> 7.3M	.
[18:57] <directhex_> directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test$ MONO_PATH=. ./mono-sgen hello.exe
[18:57] <directhex_> Hello, World!
[18:57] <ali1234> i use multistrap so i get whatever is packaged, unless i start excluding things
[18:58] <ali1234> image is built in qemu/fakechroot
[19:00] <ali1234> foobarry: listen to the latest ubuntu podcast for context :)
[19:04] <directhex_> actually, can do better on a per-embedded-app basis with `monolinker`
[19:04] <directhex_> directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test/output$ MONO_PATH=. ./mono-sgen hello.exe
[19:04] <directhex_> Hello, World!
[19:04] <directhex_> directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test/output$ du -hs .
[19:04] <directhex_> 5.8M	.
[19:05] <directhex_> monolinker is from the ios/android product. it scans an app's symbol dependencies, and removes unused symbols from the libraries it depends on to make app-specific minimalist versions of the libs
[20:17] <popey> np ali1234