[00:21] diddledan: beer [00:22] there was an amusing piece on Radio 2 that spoke of easter being a common time for all sorts of DIY injuries due to folks having a crack at something over the break [00:22] yeah. plus beer [00:22] cue my neighbour assembling some kind of wooden thing with a power tool earlier XD [00:22] i wasn't referring to that :) [00:23] i bet there's a lot of DIY + beer going on tho [00:23] oooh yes [00:39] diy AND beer... darwins favourite [07:04] morning boys and girls. [11:33] hahahaha: https://youtu.be/6filPCtrt0c [12:15] sadly fake... http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp i think i first heard of this back in the 70s or 80s. they used it in an advert in the 90s for something or the other... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePi4dieDS8Y [12:37] Is the Galaxy S7 worth getting? I know it's just over a year old already. I'm just looking for a good phone that's cheap. The S7 I can get for $150 down. [12:38] and you know after a year that it won't explode... but it will get a year less updates than the new shiny one [12:38] I may be able to get the LG G6 if I trade in an old device. [12:38] so if you hold phones for a long time the update thing might be applicable [12:38] Two years, tops. [12:39] so check if when the last update for the s5 was? [12:39] Aug 2016 [12:39] not too bad... [12:40] unless a doozy of a bug is found that doesn't get patched... [12:41] so it might just cut short the last few months if a bug is found... [12:42] My work device, a Note 4, got an update Nov 16 [12:43] I can get the LG's latest G6. There is a minimum $400 credit for trading in an old iPhone 4. [12:43] I just so happen to have an old iPhone 4. [12:43] That would make it $100 down for the phone. [12:43] So, anyone tried the G6? :) [12:43] * zmoylan-pi still has an iphone 3g on a shelf charged for giving out the sms number to those annoying we need an sms number for [12:54] you called? [12:56] * zmoylan-pi tries to insert usb cable to make sure you're fully charged [12:56] lel [13:39] I just found three ants dragging a spider corpse. [13:39] haha. that's impressive ambition [13:40] I looked over at the floor and saw this 'thing' moving. I could see it was a spider, but as it got closer, I noticed it wasn't actually moving itself. [13:45] not as interesting of the story this week of ants dragging back injured ants to the nest after raiding termite nest [13:46] noone left behind! [13:46] they leave the dead and the ones that can't be saved... [14:20] cash ISAs are a joke :( [14:20] nobody wants my money [14:21] you can give it to me [14:21] I'll take anyone's money [14:21] T&Cs apply [14:21] specifically the T&C that I get to keep it [14:22] maybe i need a peronal planner to sort all this out [14:23] i had a bunch of money earning 0.05% because th ebank didn't tell me [14:23] will you pay me interest diddledan [14:24] no [14:25] still on a par with most banks [14:25] do i get a toy or money box? [14:30] you get the warm fuzzy feeling that you've lost your money [14:31] looks like ISAs are dying [14:31] most banks are offering better rates on savngs accounts [14:31] yeah, we use PCI now [14:31] :P [14:31] pcie [14:31] \o/ [14:31] gotta love that e [14:32] PCI just isn't great unless it's pcie [14:32] being serious for a moment about money, though: I think part of the problem is that interest rates set by the BoE are so low [14:42] and that banks are thieves [14:43] flipping you from 1% to 0.05% on an account you decide to withdraw at will is thieving [14:45] yeah [14:45] there is that [15:23] foobarry: I think they're offering approximately the same rate after tax on both - which is a rip off [15:26] there's no tax on interest now [15:26] not until you earn a lot [15:29] yeh well, there's the problem [15:31] oh great. paid a load of savings money from one bank to another. only it hasn't arrived at the other [15:31] and everyones off till tuesday now [15:37] the phone-banky people are still around [15:58] it arrived phew [16:15] let me guess. needed to be there for bills to be taken? [16:24] or just worried when a blob of money went [17:33] thanks for the plug popey [17:33] to who ever said "why cant the pi zero do this by default" - it can, you just have to use a normal USB cable [17:59] do what ali1234 ? [18:28] we added a pi 1/0 compatible repo! http://www.mono-project.com/download/alpha/#download-lin-raspbian [18:28] :) [18:35] directhex_: That must have been a PITA - pi 1 is so uselessly different on the CPU [18:36] directhex_: does it have support for raspberry pi proprietary gpu drivers? [18:36] mono in general i mean [18:36] Qt does... [18:38] ali1234: "we have no product announcements to make at this time" [18:39] so not currently? [18:39] by "support" i mean "it might work" not "we guarantee it works" [18:40] Isn't there a sane GPU driver for the Pi now? [18:40] no. there is an open source one but there is nothing sane about it [18:40] why not? [18:40] the gpu architecture itself is insane [18:41] ah yes [18:41] directhex_: suite=alpha-raspbianjessie sections=main? [18:42] ali1234: right [18:42] what should i nstall if i just want to run things not develop? [18:42] ali1234: mono, at this point, just sees a normal desktop linux target on pi. there might be pi-centric libs on nuget tho [18:42] i have no desktop [18:42] so i guess this will effectively be command line only [18:42] mono-runtime is enough to run hello world [18:43] k [18:44] going to throw it into this: https://github.com/ali1234/rpi-ramdisk [18:44] strictly speaking it's enough to run `gacutil`, the command for registering system-wide .net libs. so that's more than just hello world [18:45] is "hello world" packaged so i can test it? [18:45] or something else... [18:49] directhex_: your repo is compatible with apt-cacher-ng.... docker's isn't :) [18:49] try `gacutil -l`? [18:49] okay [18:50] the postinst ran without any errors... [18:51] image size only increased by 19M compressed... that's pretty good [18:52] it'd be less without enough to run gacutil [18:55] booting... [18:55] it works :) [18:57] directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test$ du -hs . [18:57] 7.3M . [18:57] directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test$ MONO_PATH=. ./mono-sgen hello.exe [18:57] Hello, World! [18:57] i use multistrap so i get whatever is packaged, unless i start excluding things [18:58] image is built in qemu/fakechroot [19:00] foobarry: listen to the latest ubuntu podcast for context :) [19:04] actually, can do better on a per-embedded-app basis with `monolinker` [19:04] directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test/output$ MONO_PATH=. ./mono-sgen hello.exe [19:04] Hello, World! [19:04] directhex@bubblegum:/tmp/test/output$ du -hs . [19:04] 5.8M . [19:05] monolinker is from the ios/android product. it scans an app's symbol dependencies, and removes unused symbols from the libraries it depends on to make app-specific minimalist versions of the libs [20:17] np ali1234