[00:03] <user27> anybody want a free steam account
[00:03] <debkad> not me
[00:03] <debkad> i want just to access youtube o.o
[00:04] <user27> its a $200 dollar value
[00:05] <pezdispenser> Just installed ubuntu gnome 17.04,   will not boot, says boot device missing,  I need help
[00:05] <dax> user27: not here, please
[00:08] <jnrubyrubyruby> pezdispens: you may need to set your BIOS to Legacy Support if it is in UEFI mode.
[00:08] <pezdispenser> jnrubyrubyruby: I've tried this,  However it does not fix the issue,  does not detect bootable device while in legacy,
[00:11] <jnrubyrubyruby> do you have a dual boot situation, or just ubuntu?
[00:12] <pezdispenser> jnrubyrubyruby: no dual boot, just a fresh install of ubuntu gnome 17.04
[00:15] <latemus> when i try to use the lubuntu torrent to dowload the iso as suggested by the lubuntu download webpage, i get the error 'Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.'
[00:15] <latemus> why
[00:16] <jnrubyrubyruby> pezdispens: I don't have much more expertise, but it has happend to me on fresh install with 16.04, and it was some combination of UEFI, Legacy and Secure Boot settings.
[00:16] <latemus> ah, looks like i need to wait longer before abandoning hope as per https://askubuntu.com/questions/761773/requested-download-is-not-authorized-for-use-with-this-tracker
[00:17] <pezdispenser> jnrubyrubyruby: I went to select trusted boot device,   selected something like shimuefix64,    says no bootable device now,  but... differently with a fancy picture,   this had been a fix on ubuntu 16.04 prior :(  but yes its some kind of issue with this
[00:17] <latemus> tfw the iso the torrent is going to download is also 960M
[00:18] <latemus> but direct download of the iso over http is only ~ 360M
[00:19] <wellick> hi, currently when i connect my tv to my pc i get two screens, but I only want 1 (same thing on laptop's screen as on the tv). how can I change that?
[00:21] <wedgie> wellick: may vary by de, but go to Displays and select "Mirror displays"
[00:22] <pezdispenser> jnrubyrubyruby:  I think I may have found something,  If I run the USB installer while the bios is in legacy , it will be installed to run legacy,  if I run the installer while biod is in uefi,  it will install it while on that.... here goes
[00:27] <wellick> wedgie: thanks!
[00:27] <latemus> i have brought shame to my family name. the iso is alway 900+m, is dvd image, my folly
[00:28] <latemus> hence 'media is unsuitable for write'
[00:28]  * latemus spills bowels honorifically
[00:34] <TomFerguson> Is there anyone that has a link or guide to installing Ubuntu Proper onto a pixel thats NOT the crouton path?
[00:46] <pezdispenser> damnit, no beans !
[00:46] <pezdispenser> !language
[01:00] <alexubuntu> Back with a question about Unity Launcher Folders:
[01:00] <alexubuntu> I got it to run and created my folders, but when I click on them they just flash
[01:00] <alexubuntu> And nothing happens
[01:00] <alexubuntu> They don't open up and show me the icons I added
[01:04] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Just reminded me of yet another reason I loathe/despise Unity... :)
[01:04] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, Is there a better option?
[01:05] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I'd like to de-clutter my launcher
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> For a USB that gets carted around to different computers, I use a super light end window mangler...
[01:06] <latemus> YankDownUnder: why do you need a cart to move a usb drive
[01:06] <latemus> YankDownUnder: that must be some massive usb device bro
[01:06] <YankDownUnder> Yersh...huge cart...
[01:06] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, It's 32 GB.  It has enough room for Ubuntu and a lot of apps
[01:06] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I just use it for streaming video and playing roguelikes
[01:07] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, Windows 10 has been giving me problems, but I don't want to format a hard drive for Ubuntu
[01:07] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: That's not the point...RAM...that's the point. I generally use XFce or WindowMaker - very small footprint...but I digress...you're using *ahem* Unity...
[01:07] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I have 16 GB of RAM, might as well use it :)
[01:08] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Fair enough...
[01:08] <YankDownUnder> Have you looked through the forums/wikis about configuring Unity?
[01:09] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I did to get it up and running in the first place.  I had to manually edit a Python file to make it even run
[01:09] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, Having trouble finding someone with the same issue as me
[01:09] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Hold on - I'm trying to act surprised...hang on...it's coming...
[01:09] <YankDownUnder> Nah...missed it.
[01:09] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I take it Unity is not well-liked
[01:09] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I haven't really tried Linux since I was in high school 15 years ago
[01:10] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, So this is all new to me
[01:10] <YankDownUnder> Right...so you've not been able to figure out why Unity is behaving badly...? And you've dug through all the forums about it?
[01:10] <acovrig> I’m looking for people’s opinion - I currenlty have 3x 6TB drives in mdadm RAID5. I don’t care about performance, but do care about reliability (yes I know RAID != backups; I have an offiste backup that’s ~4mo out of sync). I was doing some heavy IO on the RAID today and the system froze hard, had to force reboot, now mdadm is resyncing the array and things are finicky. Should I stay with mdadm or switch to something like ZFS or look 
[01:10] <acovrig> a hardware RAID controller?
[01:10] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Unity is dying a slow death - ending with 18.04 LTS
[01:11] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, What will replace it?
[01:11] <raf_> finally ;)
[01:11] <xangua> 20:00 <alexubuntu> They don't open up and show me the icons I added / you mean some software you installed manually?
[01:11] <raf_> Gnome3 maybe ?
[01:11] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Gnome3
[01:11] <YankDownUnder> (Gee - No Me!)
[01:11] <compdoc> acovrig, there are many low cost LSI controllers on ebay that work great with zfs
[01:11] <raf_> hah :-D
[01:11] <alexubuntu> xangua, I installed Unity Launcher Folders, and added some programs to a drawer.  The drawer appears on the launcher, but will not open when left-clicked
[01:12] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, Can I use Gnome3 on Ubuntu?
[01:12] <xangua> "unity launcher folders"?
[01:12] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Yersh...
[01:13] <acovrig> compdoc: I’m afraid of hardware RAID cards because what happens if the card itself dies? don’t I loose all my data and isn’t a hardware failure fairly likely? w/software RAID, the only thing to fail is the drives (or mobo) in which case I can replace it and let it do it’s parity; Is my understanding/thoughts wrong?
[01:13] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, Heh, "What follows is not an officially supported upgrade path. You will upgrade to GNOME 3.20 at your own risk. If adding the following PPAs breaks your system you get to keep all the pieces!"
[01:13] <alexubuntu> Scary!
[01:14] <compdoc> acovrig, if the card dies, which is very rare, you swap it with another low cost card
[01:14] <acovrig> compdoc: isn’t the RAID data stored on the card though? so wouldn’t the new card just see x drives to be used in a new array?
[01:15] <alexubuntu> xangua, It's just a program that allows you to group icons in a drawer on the launcher
[01:15] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: It "breaks" a heap of GTK based libs - duh...so that's what ends up borked. Mate and Cinnamon, however (they're versions of Gnome) don't bust the system libs...that being said, I installed it...it doesn't interfere with WindowMaker or KDE (when I use it) or XFce...but that's ME...and it's merely IMHO...
[01:15] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I'll see if I can work the courage
[01:16] <xangua> YankDownUnder: one can install gnome shell without any issues
[01:16] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Why not just use something nice and light and pretty - like XFce...? Simple as...has all kinds of bells and whistles and is SUPPORT cuz it's like ancient...hmm...
[01:17] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I installed Ubuntu because I didn't know better, and because the VPN software I use is supported on Ubuntu
[01:17] <YankDownUnder> When I'm feeling "graphically needy" - I don't mind running Gnome3...ain't like the old days...but it's all right...better than KDE, really...
[01:17] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: Ubuntu is great stuff, bro. Strewth that.
[01:18] <YankDownUnder> alexubuntu: The beauty is that you can use a heap of different wm's and de's...
[01:19] <alexubuntu> YankDownUnder, I will try xfce
[01:19] <jk0ne> xfce seconded. Love it.
[01:19] <dah85> YankDownUnder: if you want to be extra aussie, try MATE desktop ;)
[01:20] <YankDownUnder> XFce - it's old, it's highly configurable, it's SUPPORTED BIGTIME, it's cool, it will make you toast in the morning and make you coffee, and it's supported. Did I say it was supported?
[01:20] <Sparrow_> I run Mint Mate here
[01:20] <dah85> me too
[01:20] <YankDownUnder> dah85: Mate desktop - the BOGAN Desktop! Yay! Centrelink all the way! ;)
[01:20] <dah85> YankDownUnder: haha 'ken oath mate
[01:20] <dah85> how long you been here?
[01:20] <dah85> in aus i mean
[01:20] <YankDownUnder> 18 years.
[01:21] <dah85> did you make the right choice and move to brisbane?
[01:21] <dah85> lots of yanks in bris
[01:21] <YankDownUnder> dah85: Since I have a higher education, they kept me here in NSW (Ha!) ;)
[01:22] <YankDownUnder> Bloody pissing myself over that one... ;)
[01:22] <dah85> Sparrow_: i'd be lost without the panel, nothing else seems to be as intuitive and out of the way
[01:22] <dah85> YankDownUnder:  haha
[01:22] <dah85> i assumed you were a fellow bogan
[01:22] <dah85> :P
[01:22] <YankDownUnder> dah85: I *am*. I live in Parramatta.
[01:23] <dah85> YankDownUnder: ohhh, an educated bogan :D
[01:23] <dah85> what part of the US are you from then?
[01:23] <dah85> deep south?
[01:23] <YankDownUnder> dah85: Hehehehe...yeah...
[01:23] <YankDownUnder> dah85: No way. Detroit. It used to be a town in MIchigan. Used to be the Rock'n'Roll Capital...and Motown Capital...long ago...
[01:26] <jk0ne> yow.  What would you call it now?
[01:26] <YankDownUnder> Deadzone.
[01:26] <jk0ne> yikes.
[01:26] <dah85> haha
[01:26] <dah85> complete other end
[01:27] <YankDownUnder> Not as bad as Brissie, but.
[01:27] <dah85> i've actually been in detroit once before
[01:27] <dah85> my wife's canadian, we went back there to see her family and drove over for the walmart :p
[01:27] <dah85> haha
[01:27] <YankDownUnder> dah85: You should have seen it in the late 60's and early 70's. Was great.
[01:27] <dah85> i could only imagine
[01:27] <batesman13> Does anyone else have problems with gnome-software?
[01:27] <YankDownUnder> Egads...Walmart...ARGH...I have to stab my eyes out now.
[01:28] <jk0ne> batesman13: can you be more specific?
[01:28] <Rockwolf> Detroit will be where the walking dead will start. mark my words
[01:28] <batesman13> jk0ne: It seems to have been downgraded https://askubuntu.com/questions/903738/software-center-is-almost-empty-after-do-release-upgrade-d-switching-to-ubunt
[01:28] <YankDownUnder> Rockwolf: ...and Robocop
[01:30] <dah85> YankDownUnder: there's nothing comparable in price here in aus
[01:30] <dah85> most aussies would lose their minds in walmart
[01:31] <YankDownUnder> dah85: Chinatown! Yay! Best prices! Best deals! Yay! ;)
[01:31] <jk0ne> batesman13: I got nothing. Sorry. :-(
[01:31] <kk4ewt> dah85,  i have seen that happen
[01:32] <dah85> kk4ewt: buying alcohol anywhere other than a specific store that sells alcohol is crazy, at least in QLD
[01:33] <jk0ne> Sounds like Virginia.
[01:33] <kk4ewt> jk0ne,  you can buy alcohol in grocery stores but liquior  only in the state run store
[01:35] <jk0ne> kk4ewt: in VA, yeah. Do they still have the sunday rule?
[01:37] <kk4ewt> blue law is dead but ABC stores are not open on sunday
[01:38] <jk0ne> wow. I grew  up in Chicago... the rules in VA when I got there were quite surprising to me. ;-)
[01:39] <kk4ewt> bible belt
[01:41] <implite> how do i kill my xserver? what is the pid?
[01:42] <implite> !kill
[01:44] <implite> can anyone help me with that?
[01:44] <oerheks> implite, why would you need to kill xserver?
[01:45] <ritztech> sooo question... i have a hosting provider that gave me a VM but they wont let me download the vm or snapshot
[01:45] <oerheks> go to tty2; sudo lightdm stop
[01:45] <ritztech> is there a way to like convert to an offline vm again
[01:45] <implite> I want to kill it so i can start another one manually
[01:45] <implite> using xinit
[01:45] <ritztech> like snapshot the whole Current vm to another vmdk kinda thing (of course i would see if my Vm had double the HD space
[01:46] <jk0ne> implite: what oerheks said.  If you just kill it, it will restart.
[01:46] <jk0ne> kk4ewt: indeed.
[01:46] <jk0ne> Alabama was the same way.
[01:46] <oerheks> kk4ewt, jk0ne please stay ontopic, chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[01:48] <jk0ne> ritztech: so you have access to the running machine, but not the vmdk?
[01:49] <Bashing-om> implite: systemd ? moght try ' sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target ' .
[01:50] <ritztech> ya
[01:50] <ritztech> i even have root
[01:50] <ritztech> lol
[01:50] <oerheks> Bashing-om +1 that would boot into tty2
[01:50] <ritztech> i can install anything
[01:50] <ritztech> but not the vm infra
[01:50] <ritztech> i need to take some vms offline but i like to kinda repackage it all and so i can move them offsite
[01:51] <oerheks> ritztech, ask your vm vendor, there must be an adminpanel
[01:51] <ritztech> vmware
[01:52] <ritztech> they wont let me get access to the vmware its like a fort knox (they feel that they arent allowed to supply the vmdk to us)
[01:53] <oerheks> ritztech, so why do you tink we can help, cloning a running vm ?
[01:53] <ritztech> hmmm maybe use mondorescue but not sure if i can save it as like a ova
[01:53] <ritztech> well i did something similar for a winbox years ago and i did like a p2v but this is diff more like a v2v
[01:53] <ritztech> lol
[01:53] <ritztech> i didnt feel like rebuilding like postgres configs and such
[01:54] <jk0ne> ritztech: if you can't access the panel, or the host system, I don't know of any 'proper' ways... You could get crafty with dd of the virtual disk from inside the vm over piped into ssh... but it would be... less than optimal.
[02:10] <ritztech> hmm intersting
[02:10] <ritztech> http://vmutils.blogspot.com/2013/09/fwd-virtualizing-physical-linux-without.html
[02:11] <jk0ne> ritztech: yes.  Basically that.
[02:11] <ritztech> haha nc over ssh hehe
[02:11] <ritztech> might as well try it out
[02:12] <jk0ne> you can also run it through gzip, which would cut the transfer time down.
[02:16] <jk0ne> ie: drop: 'gzip -c -' before nc.  then you can gunzip it on the other side.
[02:17] <waltman> Setting up network printing and Airprint for my usb printer was dirt simple in 17.04. I can finally print from my iOS devices!
[02:19] <oerheks> waltman, yes, cups has improved
[02:19] <oerheks> .. like 100%
[02:20] <sorin-mihai> what options are there to have ssh run inside a 'live cd' on a remote server? i have access to a server over ssh now, but i want to make some changes to the disks that can't be done while running and i have no one to boot on a live cd, and the server is on the other side of the world.
[02:20] <waltman> Debian never recognized my printer without a special proprietary driver, and then it would break every time cups updated.
[02:22] <oerheks> sorin-mihai, that would take a custom iso, there is no ssh installed
[02:23] <Ieuan> If I'm trying to install an old deb that requires libtiff4, what's the easiest solution to actually install the blumming thing?
[02:23] <Ieuan> Installing libtiff4 from an old release of ubuntu, or?
[02:24] <bazhang> Ieuan, why an old deb
[02:24] <Ieuan> bazhang, because it's a proprietary program I bought years ago
[02:24] <bazhang> which one
[02:24] <Ieuan> That's not really what I was asking :\
[02:25] <bazhang> Ieuan, how is that ubuntu related then
[02:25] <marvin2> I have errors in a bash script that I am not sure how to fix. would appreciate if someone can take a look.  http://lpaste.net/8175552191617040384
[02:25] <Ieuan> bazhang, installing a deb file isn't ubuntu related?
[02:25] <bazhang> marvin2, tried in #bash yet
[02:25] <Ieuan> Installing a deb file on Ubuntu*
[02:25] <oerheks> Ieuan, libtiff4 is part of tiff > http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/tiff
[02:26] <marvin2> bazhang yes but thanks
[02:26] <bazhang> Ieuan, installing an old one on a supported release? not really
[02:26] <oerheks> leuif your version does not work, question the deb you want to use
[02:26] <Ieuan> oerheks, I'll try that, cheers
[02:27] <Ieuan> Although, that page only seems to include libtiff4, not libtiff5
[02:27] <Ieuan> I can get it from precise still, I guess.....
[02:27] <oerheks> Ieuan, you didn't mention the -5 version
[02:27] <Ieuan> oerheks, hmm?
[02:27] <Ieuan> I don't follow
[02:28] <oerheks> anyway, we don't support old debs on newer ubuntu versions, figure it out
[02:29] <Ieuan> I see.
[02:29] <Ieuan> Well, many thanks for the help.
[02:32] <trompstomp> I am trying to understand the real difference between the folder /opt/ and /usr/local/bin. Which directory is the proper place to install robomongo and/or postman? I believe since I am not doig a build and make I should put them in /opt. Is this correct?
[02:33] <bazhang> !info postman
[02:33] <oerheks> trompstomp, yes, 'own builds' are suggested to put in opt
[02:34] <trompstomp> oerheks, so If I were to compile from source then I should put it in /usr/local correct?
[02:35] <oerheks> trompstomp, the good build would direct to those proper folders, yes. if not, use /opt/
[02:37] <trompstomp> oerheks, thanks.
[02:37] <Ieuan> If anyone gets a similar issue to me in future, ‘sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise universe main"‘ provides a solution :)
[02:38] <bazhang> Ieuan, what version are you adding that to
[02:39] <Ieuan> bazhang, 14.04
[02:39] <Ieuan> Why?
[02:39] <bazhang> Ieuan, trusty?
[02:39] <oerheks> Ieuan, good luck with that ...
[02:40] <bazhang> Ieuan, adding a different version repo is not only a very bad idea, but also never a solution on offer here
[02:41] <Ieuan> Any particular reason for that?
[02:41] <bazhang> yes
[02:41] <Ieuan> Which is?
[02:41] <bazhang> Ieuan, are you adding debian repos to that as well?
[02:42] <Ieuan> bazhang, nah
[02:42] <bazhang> !precise
[02:42] <Ieuan> However, adding that repo, installing the packages, and removing the repo hasn't noticably damaged anything yet...
[02:42] <oerheks> Ieuan, it is unsupported, you surely run into issues, and we are not helping fixing them. but go ahaed, have fun, but do not suggest it is a solution to a non-problem
[02:43] <Ieuan> Being unable to install old-packages is clearly not a non-problem to many people
[02:43] <Ieuan> The old repo was only added to install two packages, and removed afterwards...
[02:43] <Ieuan> Not really sure I see the issue
[02:43] <latemus> debian is disentegrating
[02:43] <bazhang> Ieuan, never suggest that here, it;s not a solution
[02:43]  * latemus grabs papcarn
[02:44] <Ieuan> bazhang, what would you propose instead? I go directly to those libraries websites and manually copy the lib into /usr/lib? >.>
[02:44] <Ieuan> I guess that would work too tbf
[02:45] <oerheks> Ieuan, the only valid solution is to build the dependencies yourself.
[02:45] <bazhang> Ieuan, if you really wanted support you would give us more info on this 'proprietray app'
[02:45] <Ieuan> oerheks, that's better than adding an old repo for ~5 minutes?
[02:47] <oerheks> Ieuan, why should i answer that
[02:47] <Ieuan> oerheks, you don't have to, more asking out of intellectual curiosity than anything else :)
[02:48] <oerheks> Ieuan, read back, answers are given.
[02:48] <Ieuan> oerheks, nothing more than it being a very bad idea, and never a solution on offer
[02:49] <bazhang> Ieuan, it's not a proper solution, not supported here, lets get back on topic
[02:50] <Ieuan> bazhang, so essentially, it doesn't cause any harm...
[02:50] <Ieuan> I'm not leaving the repo added permanently, not overwriting any current packages that way...
[02:50] <bazhang> Ieuan, please just lets get back on topic
[02:50] <Ieuan> bazhang, the topic is adding an old repo, no?
[02:51] <Ieuan> So asking about potential damage that may have caused is perfectly on topic.
[02:51] <bazhang> Ieuan, yes, not supported here. that means offtopic
[02:51] <oerheks> LoLz, he keeps trying
[02:52] <Ieuan> Thanks again for being very helpful.
[02:52] <bazhang> np
[02:54] <Ieuan> I would note however, that sometimes a little pragmatism is superior to a little purity when someone is trying to fix a problem ;)
[03:00] <marvin2> is it normal that I am getting these errors when I run nautilus from terminal? there are four of them, this is just the first one. (nautilus:53440): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_interface_skeleton_unexport: assertion 'interface_->priv->connections != NULL' failed
[03:00] <marvin2> I am also getting GLib error when I quit gvim
[03:01] <oerheks> marvin2, yes, those are warnings, when you run a gtk gui program from terminal
[03:02] <oerheks> pretty normal, annoying but harmless
[03:03] <marvin2> ok, thought there was something wrong with my configuration
[03:03] <MoPac> After upgrading to 17.04, I installed gnome-shell to try it out, and that brings in the Wayland session as well. Now I see two problems that may be one (a) Gnome Wayland never starts from lightdm, ttys become unusable. (b) if gdm3 made default, it never loads on startup or launches from a tty
[03:03] <MoPac> Is there something obvious I should check on?
[03:03] <oerheks> clean solution is to install nautilus-admin, so you have 'open as admin' in context menu
[03:04] <oerheks> !info nautilus-admin
[03:05] <marvin2> oerheks
[03:06] <marvin2> thanks
[03:06] <oerheks> marvin2, have fun!
[03:06] <alexubuntu> I dun goof - I installed a bunch of programs as root.  Can I just copy the  root home directory over to a new user's home directory?
[03:06] <alexubuntu> Is there anyway to save my program settings?
[03:07] <alexubuntu> And transfer theM?
[03:07] <bazhang> alexubuntu, using sudo?
[03:07] <alexubuntu> bazhang, No, I was logged in as "ubuntu."  I am using a live USB with persistence
[03:08] <alexubuntu> bazhang, And I guess that logged me in as Ubuntu by default and I didn't notice
[03:08] <bazhang> alexubuntu, you installed things on the live and want to transfer it to the persistent?
[03:09] <pd2> you used and set them up as root and want to keep the settings now? alexubuntu
[03:09] <alexubuntu> bazhang, No, I am using a persistent live USB - I've got that setup.  By default, the live USB seems to have logged me in as "ubuntu" which I guess was root?
[03:09] <alexubuntu> pd2 yes!
[03:09] <bazhang> alexubuntu, live and persistnet are two very differing things
[03:09] <alexubuntu> pd2, You have it exactly.
[03:10] <pd2> copy the files, and write a script that chown everything and replace root/whatever with the new username. that might work - or not. better to set them up with the new user again and copy relevant parts from relevant config files from the root home
[03:10] <alexubuntu> bazhang, Yes, you can have a live USB with persistence.  I was able to do it.   But that's not really the important part.  I'm trying to transfer program settings that were set under root
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[03:13] <alexubuntu> pd2, I've seen people recommend using chmod
[03:13] <alexubuntu> pd2, Does that make sense to you?
[03:15] <pd2> alexubuntu: considering the possible fuckup that might get caused by chmod/chown things you do not  exactly what the are doing etc...as long as you do not need haurs or days to setup the programs again with the new user i wouldn't take the risk.
[03:15] <alexubuntu> pd2 okay fair point
[03:16] <alexubuntu> pd2 I may try to log in as ubuntu permanently
[03:16] <alexubuntu> pd2 security risks be damned
[03:16] <oerheks> alexubuntu, where would those 'root' settings be stored?
[03:16] <alexubuntu> oerheks, Looks like /home/ubuntu
[03:17] <yesimon> Does gnome-disks not automount hotplugged drives?
[03:17] <yesimon> Does it only mount at startup?
[03:17] <oerheks> yesimon, only ntfs/fat32 would automount, AFAIK.
[03:18] <yesimon> Hm, this is an NTFS external HD
[03:18] <oerheks> you would see an icon on the unity panel
[03:18] <yesimon> I am using i3 insead of unity but that shouldn't matter?
[03:19] <oerheks> yesimon, oh, i3, no clue about that WM
[03:19] <sani1486> .
[03:19] <yesimon> Yeah I don't think gnome-disks can handle it :/ maybe I'll look into udevil
[03:20] <Menzador> yesimon: Wait... so you're using i3 and expect GNOME to automount things?
[03:20] <Guest46965> Help I need to know if ytcracker is still relevant
[03:21] <bazhang> Guest46965, what is ytcracker
[03:21] <sani1486> query pd2
[03:21] <bazhang> !info ytcracker
[03:22] <yesimon> What does disk mounting have to do with my choice of WM?
[03:22] <oerheks> yesimon, are you sure it is ntfs? not exfat?
[03:23] <yesimon> It's an NTFS external USB HDD
[03:23] <oerheks> yesimon, then it should show up in a filemanager, no?
[03:24] <oerheks> .. unless it is closed dirty ( broken filesystem) then you would need to fix that, only clean filesystems are mounted auto
[03:24] <oerheks> !info ntfsfix
[03:24] <oerheks> oh
[03:25] <oerheks> ntfsfix is standard installed with ntfs tools
[03:25] <Menzador> yesimon: Whatever desktop or WM you're using has everything to do with what background application that handles auto-mounts is running...
[03:26] <yesimon> so apparently gnome-disks is GUI frontend for udisks
[03:27] <Bashing-om> !info ntfs-3g
[03:27] <yesimon> Let me see if the filesystem is broken
[03:28] <yesimon> Also for some reason after installing 17.04 applications take forever to start - like 30s
[03:28] <yesimon> This is truly bizarre
[03:28] <yesimon> Probably f'd up my install over the years
[03:28] <yesimon> Also it's not normal to see root partition on the left bar of nautilus right?
[03:28] <yesimon> With an eject button?
[03:29] <yesimon> xdg-opens also take 30s
[03:29] <oerheks> sounds like something is serious broken
[03:30] <yesimon> Yeah probably accumulated cruft or something...
[03:36] <sam_wong> I installed terminal and then VIM on my android mobile phone. After finishing the document, I was not able to exit VIM. The command ":wq" didn't work. Any ideas?
[03:37] <yesimon> Keep entering :q ?
[03:37] <sam_wong> yes
[03:37] <oerheks> sam_wong, wrong channel, this is ubuntu support
[03:37] <sam_wong> sorry, which channel should I visit?
[03:38] <oerheks> !alis
[03:38] <sam_wong> thanks
[03:39] <yesimon> Is there any program to check all system files/packages integrity?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> !info integrit | yesimon
[03:40] <oerheks> that would not check config files, i guess.
[03:41] <yesimon> Um, what if I don't have a snapshot to test against?
[03:42] <yesimon> it seems to require I already have taken a "trusted snapshot"
[03:42] <yesimon> I guess I just want to check that all package files are the same as in repos
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> yesimon: you dont trust the files on a repo?
[03:43] <yesimon> I'm just worried that I might files that corrupted later on
[03:43] <yesimon> I trust the files from the repo alright
[03:43] <yesimon> That's why I want to check integrity against it
[03:43] <wedgie> yesimon: debsums
[03:45] <nathan420> what is your favorite operating system"?
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> nathan420: no polls here please
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | nathan420
[03:45] <oerheks> nathan420, what do you expect for answers ?? please don't poll, this is ubuntu technical support
[03:47] <yesimon> thx for suggestion
[03:47] <yesimon> I seem to be missing a bunch of COPYRIGHT files
[03:47] <yesimon> I'm guessing that doesn't matter
[03:49] <marvolo> hi bitches
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !language | marvolo
[03:49] <oerheks> marvolo is on ignore now.
[04:08] <omagash> heyy
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> omagash: welcome, how can we help you?
[04:10] <omagash> Umm, since I reinstalled Ubuntu 16.10 amd64 from i386, the media of my mouse buttons won't work on rhytmbox :/
[04:12] <nacc> omagash: can you rephrase that? "reinstalled ... amd64 from i386" "media of my mouse buttons"?
[04:12] <omagash> oh, sorry 'bout that. It meant the media buttons of my mouse
[04:12] <omagash> like pause/play, next, and prev buttons
[04:13] <omagash> I use X7's X-710BH
[04:13] <nacc> omagash: and you reinstalled amd64 and had i386 before? and your mouse buttons worked in i386?
[04:13] <bkap> d
[04:13] <omagash> Yup
[04:13] <bkap> hello
[04:14] <omagash> wait, lemme try to switch DE first, brb
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> bkap: welcome, how can we help you?
[04:14] <bkap> nice to meet you
[04:15] <bkap> I wanna understand hacking
[04:15] <nacc> !ot | bkap
[04:15] <omagash> yup, it still doesn't work :/
[04:16] <nacc> omagash: ok, any chance you can try a i386 live usb?
[04:16] <nacc> omagash: does that mouse need a special driver? or something
[04:16] <bkap> oh, sorry
[04:16] <omagash> I don't think so, since it worked on the previous installation without installing anything
[04:16] <omagash> but I have a live dvd of 32bit
[04:17] <nacc> omagash: ok, that might be worth testing -- also, you could try running `xev` and see if the mouse clicks are detected in 64-bit
[04:17] <omagash> They work on vlc though :/
[04:18] <gajendra> hi
[04:18] <nacc> omagash: oh, so it's a rhythmbox specific thing?
[04:18] <bkap> so, i using ubuntu 16.04 LTS, it auto upgrade to ubuntu 17.04?
[04:18] <eltigre> er
[04:18] <nacc> omagash: maybe you have to configure rhythmbox?
[04:18] <nacc> bkap: no
[04:18] <nacc> bkap: LTS (by default) won't upgrade until the next LTS releases (18.04)
[04:18] <omagash> The only thing I changed inrhytmbox that time is the lyrics plugin and crossfade
[04:18] <omagash> Ill try the xev thing
[04:19] <gajendra> is 17.04 stable?
[04:19] <nacc> omagash: ok, i don't know -- but if other tools work, i'd assume it's something specific to rhythmbox
[04:19] <nacc> gajendra: define 'stable'?
[04:19] <bkap> oh, thank you, sure wait version 18.04 ?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> bkap: your choice
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> bkap: do you need LTS or a non-LTS?
[04:21] <bkap> why?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> bkap: its a question to you
[04:21] <omagash> xev says XF86Audio[Prev,Next,Play] when I press them
[04:21] <nacc> omagash: yep that's the correct key(s)
[04:22] <nacc> omagash: so i don't know why rhythmbox isn't seeing them
[04:22] <nacc> bkap: "sure wait version 18.04" isn't a question I understand
[04:22] <omagash> guess it's an app issue rather than system...
[04:22] <bkap> I like Ubuntu LTS
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> bkap: then what will your choice be? stay LTS or try another?
[04:24] <marvin2> I messed something up. instead of booting to X straight away, and present me the login there, I get login on the terminal, and then a couple of seconds later I get blank screen. C-A-1 etc do work though.
[04:24] <marvin2> if I login in C-A-1 and run startx I just get my wallpaper, and that is it
[04:24] <bkap> OK, thank
[04:25] <Ham62> oh yay I got it working!
[04:25] <Ham62> got the P100 on the net with ethernet passthrough through the Linux box
[04:27] <bkap> Now, how to i wanna change bootload icon?
[04:27] <kostkon> Ham62, Pentium 100MHz?
[04:28] <bkap> i using ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[04:28] <Ham62> kostkon, yeah
[04:29] <Ham62> oh no I hung the server again
[04:29] <Ham62> I think there's a bug in Linux
[04:29] <Ham62> so on the P100, I tried to pull up my website
[04:30] <Ham62> but my website is hosted on the server that's doing the ethernet passthrough
[04:30] <marvin2> (I got it, somehow gdm became my default manager)
[04:30] <Ham62> is it possible it caused a overflow or something that hung the system?
[04:31] <Ham62> because the P100 sent the request through the linux box to the router to do the DNS lookup which directed it back at the Linux box to serve it back to the system connected onto the network through itself
[04:31] <Ham62> the system was running fine before
[04:31] <Ham62> but as soon as I connect the P100 it hangs within a few minutes
[04:31] <Ham62> this time in the middle of a web request
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !enter | Ham62
[04:32] <omagash> Wait, how can I install a printer's driver?
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> !printer | omagash
[04:34] <singh_15> new to ubuntu , how can explore ubuntu, please help
[04:34] <nacc> !manual | singh_15
[04:34] <omagash> I also want to scan using the same printing machine
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> omagash: what printer brand?
[04:34] <singh_15> nacc , thanks
[04:35] <omagash> Pixma P200
[04:35] <Sparrow_> Oh Boy Cannon
[04:35] <omagash> Why? :O
[04:35] <omagash> Canon*
[04:36] <Sparrow_> I never had any luck with those.
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> omagash: did you try the printer wizard, adding a printer?
[04:37] <omagash> I'll try m,ine with the link provided, thanks everyone! ;)
[04:37] <CyberGhostVN> how to fix system font?
[04:37] <omagash> How, <lotuspsychje>?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> !fonts | CyberGhostVN
[04:40] <CyberGhostVN> thank all! happy day
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> omagash: click on the printer icon in ubuntu
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> omagash: and press +
[04:42] <Sparrow_> The P200 isnt listed...
[04:42] <Ham62> lotuspsychje, one could actually argue it's harder to follow when everything is on one giant line instead of formatted nice through multiple lines. I type in the way I would speak and especially if your IRC client isn't running at a super high resolution exceedingly long messages can be harder to read
[04:43] <darkzek> Hey i'm having some troubles following this guide on installing rEFIned. I did "sudo apt-get install refined" but got stuck on the next command. "refind-install --shim /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi --localkeys" because I dont have a folder called efi in /boot/
[04:43] <darkzek> Guide: refind-install --shim /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi --localkeys
[04:43] <darkzek> Guide: https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/dfff8321b94fd666eb64eda0382f6813
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> Ham62: i did not invent the rules mate
[04:43] <omagash> I addd P200, and it opened a dialogue box saying searching for drivers, then a new window opened
[04:43] <omagash> a Download Printer Driver opened
[04:43] <omagash> I found this on the support site tho: http://search-asia.canon-asia.com/canon__asia_en__asia_p_en/search.x?ct=Support&hf=category%09zubaken&cf=model_sm:P200&d=DOWNLOADS
[04:44] <nacc> darkzek: then you are probably not booted (or installed) in EFI mode
[04:45] <nacc> darkzek: also no such package refined in ubuntu, did you mean 'refind'?
[04:45] <marvin2> I got "Only one display manager can manage a given X server" message, picked one option without thinking much, restarted after a while, and now I am getting all kind of weird things, including "The system is running in low graphics mode" warning during boot. how I can restore my original config?  I manually edited default-display-manager and replaced gdm with /usr/sbin/lightdm
[04:45] <nacc> marvin2: that's not the correct way -- so change that back (your manual change) and run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm`
[04:45] <darkzek> nacc ah yes refind sorry. I'll take a look at my bios for booting into EFI mode then
[04:45] <nacc> marvin2: it should prompt you to pick a DM
[04:46] <marvin2> what should?
[04:46] <omagash> how do I execute a install.sh again?
[04:46] <nacc> marvin2: that command
[04:46] <marvin2> oh sorry, I missed that line
[04:46] <nacc> omagash: make it executable and run ./install.sh or run `bash install.sh`
[04:47] <omagash> okay, thanks
[04:48] <marvin2> nacc nice, that seemed to have fixed it
[04:48] <marvin2> back in the saddle. =)
[04:49] <omagash> what's the difference with debian PackageArchive with rpm PackageArchive?
[04:49] <marvin2> I am a bit curious why just manually adjusting /etc/X11/default-display-manager didn't work? what else does sudo dpkg-reconfigure do?
[04:49] <Sparrow_> omagash, deb for our debian ubuntu setus
[04:50] <omagash> Can both run on ubuntu?
[04:50] <Sparrow_> no
[04:50] <Sparrow_> You could use alien but seldom works right
[04:51] <omagash> So I'd probably take the Debian one, correct?
[04:51] <Sparrow_> omagash, yes, but if it worked it would already be included so dont hold out much hope
[04:51] <Sparrow_> be inclded in our drivers that is
[04:51] <omagash> Okay, thanks Sparrow_
[04:52] <Sparrow_> np
[04:53] <nacc> marvin2: i'm not sure
[04:56] <Ham62|P3> ok yeah this is for sure a Linux bug, I just did a test
[04:56] <darkzek> Damn, no option to turn off secure boot to be able to boot in efi mode
[04:57] <Ham62|P3> so I rebooted the server and pinged it from the P100, first ping all 4 packets got back no issue, a few seconds later I did another ping and can you guess what happened?
[04:57] <Ham62|P3> the server hard locked itself! :D
[04:57] <darkzek> lol
[04:57] <marvin2> how unsafe is it to enlarge partition in gparted?
[04:58] <Ben64> marvin2: not very
[04:58] <Ben64> Ham62|P3: not sure how you know it's a linux bug from that
[04:59] <Ham62|P3> what else would it be? the system never hangs until it gets a request to itself from the system connected through it's bridge
[05:01] <Ben64> hardware error
[05:02] <Ham62|P3> I have two extra PCI network cards, it happens connected to either
[05:02] <Ham62|P3> no way both cards are dead
[05:02] <Ben64> could be any hardware
[05:03] <Ham62> no because if I disconnect the P100 from the server it will run for months without issue
[05:03] <Ham62> but if I connect it again as soon as it gets a request for itself it hangs
[05:04] <Ben64> that doesn't mean it isn't hardware
[05:05] <marvin2> how much swap should I use? I am running ubuntu under VM and I dedicated 4GB of ram to it
[05:05] <Ham62> I could switch the system to use the main network on one of the PCI NICs instead of the built in ethernet on the motherboard and it would still run fine
[05:05] <Ben64> marvin2: depends what you want to use it for, 4GB would probably be good
[05:06] <marvin2> what does ubuntu use by default? 1x ram? 2x ram? I think I started with less ram dedicated to ubuntu vm when i was installing it
[05:07] <nacc> marvin2: before 17.04, it uses (iirc) 2x ram. after 17.04 it uses swapfiles and no swap partition
[05:08] <nacc> marvin2: how much swap you need, if you need it, is workload dependent
[05:09] <darkzek> I have a UEFI bios, that must be the issue or something
[05:09] <darkzek> I cant even see an option to boot in EFI mode
[05:09] <darkzek> There was legacy mode but that has made no change
[05:12] <nacc> darkzek: do you see /sys/firmware/efi ?
[05:12] <marvin2> wtf, ubuntu 17.04 appeared? i installed 16.04 a week ago =)
[05:12] <nacc> marvin2: you understand the dates, right? 16.04 came out april 2016
[05:13] <nacc> marvin2: and given your response, you might be best served staying on the LTS (16.04)
[05:13] <marvin2> i did not know those stand for dates
[05:14] <marvin2> why should I stay on 16.04? I don't have a lot invested in this OS
[05:14] <omagash> how do i install a scanner driver?
[05:14] <marvin2> 17.04 is not a stable release?
[05:15] <nacc> marvin2: 17.04 is not an LTS
[05:15] <nacc> marvin2: so you will need to upgrade again in 6-9 months
[05:15] <marvin2> I know that stands for LTS but I'm not sure what are the implications
[05:15] <marvin2> ah
[05:15] <marvin2> *need*?
[05:15] <marvin2> what if you don't?
[05:15] <nacc> marvin2: support durations. LTS are supported for 5 years. non-LTS are supported for 9 months
[05:15] <marvin2> no more updates?
[05:15] <dax> correct
[05:15] <nacc> marvin2: then you are out of support, your systems stop getting updates and you are insecure
[05:16] <nacc> marvin2: again, it's better (IMO) to learn all this while staying on LTS
[05:16] <nacc> marvin2: and then make an educated decision once you understand how ubunt works
[05:18] <omagash> how do i install a scanner driver?
[05:20] <Ham62> these pings were 3 seconds appart: http://i.imgur.com/60Km3eQ.jpg
[05:20] <Ham62> I killed the server with a ping through the bridge to itself
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> dax: can we ask you something in discuss?
[05:32] <ca_ds> hue http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> Got a year to start loving Gnome3...eh...(not shedding a tear...)
[05:37] <implite> no need to worry about some interface thing... I can do just fine with command line stuff and lol twm
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> use #ubuntu-discuss guys
[05:38] <YankDownUnder> implite: Great for servers.
[06:02] <marvin2> nacc does anyone actually use non-LTS version as their main OS? how involving is it to install new ubuntu, while retaining all your programs, configurations and data?
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> marvin2: for users that want latest packages, non-lts is perfect
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> marvin2: many cases of newer hardware need newer kernels also
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> marvin2: jumping to a new release doenst always mean loss of data and configs neither
[06:06] <marvin2> what do you do after 9 months though? how do you restore all your configurations, scripts, reinstall all the programs? hopefully not manually
[06:06] <Bashing-om> marvin2: " how involving is it to install new ubuntu, while retaining all your programs, configurations and data?" If that is a primary concern, then one has a separate /home .
[06:09] <marvin2> Bashing-om there are configurations outside of home though
[06:11] <mystified> whats a good front end video file converter
[06:12] <Bashing-om> marvin2: Well, I can tell you my use case . I keep a change log of all alterations I make to the system . On a new install I do want all as defaults for what the system has installed ; and then make my adjustments .
[06:14] <chue> mystified: handbrake
[06:14] <mystified> beside handbrake
[06:15] <mystified> it's refusing to do the whole video
[06:17] <chue> mystified: avidemux
[06:20] <marvin2> Bashing-om I see
[06:20] <marvin2> btw, if I want to give kubuntu a try, can I just install kde windows manager and get pretty much the same thing?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !info kubuntu-desktop | marvin2
[06:27] <pd009> !info vlc | mystified
[06:28] <mystified> tx
[06:33] <masterjorn> wow, theres a crap ton of people on this server
[06:34] <masterjorn> its like aol in 2017
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> !language | masterjorn
[06:35] <itsgokul> !language | masterjorn
[06:55] <samuel02> hi I have just learned that ldconfig only picks up files with names starting with 'lib'. I have an ODBC driver that needs to be on the LD_LIBRARY_PATH for a program to work correctly. The name of the driver is ivoa25.so . What is the correct way of solving this? Change the filename and change the ODBC config (I'm using unixODBC)?
[06:59] <ThetaOrionis> Hey guys, so I've Dell Inspiron 14z (5423) ultrabook with dedicated Radeon HD 7550M GPU, and as usual, Ubuntu 16.10 does not use it. No official or unofficial drivers available anywhere, although UBuntu 14.04 (supposedly) has support for AMD catalyst.
[07:00] <ThetaOrionis> Problem is, there's a lot of overheating, and battery drains quickly. So, is there any way I can disable the Radeon GPU and use Intel HD instead? I don't wanna fall back to Windows, but looks like I've got little choice...
[07:03] <Bashing-om> ThetaOrionis: switcheroo ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics .
[07:05] <ThetaOrionis> Ah! Quite interesting, and looks like it's worth a shot. Thanks Bashing-om, I'm trying it now. :)
[07:06] <Bashing-om> ThetaOrionis: Let us know how it works out, as I do not know in 16.10/systemd .
[07:07] <ThetaOrionis> Sure. However, I'm still searching a bit, to see whether something like AMDGPU-PRO will work with my system or not. But looks like that's a dead end, and I will have to rely on Switcheroo instead.
[07:09] <ThetaOrionis> Acpi-call looks promising (and easier) too, and I don't really need heavy GPU.
[07:11] <masterjorn> Wait, what person thinks that "crap" is offensive?
[07:12] <cheloufi> can you tell me what's this program for? lol
[07:13] <Bashing-om> ThetaOrionis: http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/general-interest/11-amd-gpu-support-with-amdgpu-and-amdgpu-pro .
[07:15] <flagellumDIE> whats the best way for troubleshooting wifi that goes on and off?? help??
[07:15] <Guest40878> no
[07:15] <Bashing-om> ThetaOrionis: And also : http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/categories/12-possible-amdgpu-pro-supported-gpus-by-the-end
[07:17] <flagellumDIE> why?
[07:17] <flagellumDIE> lastklog
[07:17] <ThetaOrionis> Yeah, thanks Bashing-om. But looks like my card is not supported. :( I guess, I'll just head back to my old Inspiron 14R for the moment, which worked fine with Ubuntu (discrete GPUs are the worst, really)
[07:18] <ThetaOrionis> And I tried acpi call, can't get it work. All these docs look Greek to me, to be honest.
[07:18] <ThetaOrionis> Nonetheless, thanks very much, Bashing-om. :) I hope one day, GPU support won't be an issue any more.
[07:21] <Bashing-om> ThetaOrionis: Without doing the research I "think" that card takes the radeon driver . As to how well it works in a hybrid situation in 16.10 I do not know at all .
[07:24] <fjewio> Hello, I want to make an abuse report. I asked for help with startx, and a mod replied that it was deprecated. When I asked if there were any alternatives besides a DM, he told me to piss off and threatened to ban me.
[07:24] <fjewio> I find this a huge problem. I feel like if you use a distro it should come with good support
[07:25] <fjewio> Like I feel like I cannot rely on the support that Ubuntu offers now.
[07:31] <fjewio> Drone`:
[07:34] <ducasse> fjewio: i've never seen anyone be told to p**s off here, but that should be in the logs. try #ubuntu-ops to talk to the ops.
[07:35] <ducasse> fjewio: startx *is* unsupported on ubuntu, though, so there's little i can do for you there.
[07:38] <ALFA> salve sono federica 14 anni
[07:38] <ducasse> !it | ALFA
[07:40] <masterjorn> Is anyone else sad that Ubuntu is discontinuing unity 8
[07:41] <_28Kb> i didn't even get that unity8 working
[07:42] <masterjorn> Me niether, but I think that unity is what makes ubuntu ubuntu, GNOME just isnt the same.
[07:42] <_28Kb> so, why discontinue?
[07:43] <madwizard> _28Kb: Money. :)
[07:43] <madwizard> It all was in this TheRegister article :)
[07:43] <masterjorn> I think its becuase they discontinued ubuntu phone, and unity 8 was mainly disihned to intagrate with ubuntu phone, but don't quote me on that.
[07:44] <madwizard> I expect Ubuntu Unity will become a spin, unless there is not enough people to build it
[07:45] <_28Kb> i don't know much other than interface and the fact that unity 8 was about to push interface directly to openGL
[07:45] <_28Kb> which i considered positive
[07:45] <_28Kb> it's not that i'm sad though :)
[07:47] <madwizard> :)
[07:47] <masterjorn> Frankly, I love the unity interface, and considering I am a newish Linux user, its cool to see all the little things in the interface.
[07:47] <Bashing-om> masterjorn: Discussion at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2357743 . You are welcome to join .
[07:49] <masterjorn> its cool to talk with a bunch of people who love Ubuntu as much as I do :)
[08:12] <kallesbar> Hi, I still have the problem where ubuntu installation stops initram prompt. I verified sha256sum and it is ok. How to go forward?
[08:16] <ducasse> kallesbar: is this while booting the usb or after installation?
[08:17] <kallesbar> I am booting virtual DVD in vmware it is booting tima in quit a early and it is kubuntu iso file 17.04. found same promlem kubuntu 16.04.2
[08:18] <kallesbar> ducasse: All other ubuntu installations I have tried works just fine
[08:21] <ducasse> kallesbar: in vmware it should just work, can you pastebin the error?
[08:22] <kallesbar> ducasse: Actually there is no error. It just shows Initramfs prompt
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> kallesbar: tested this in virtualbox also?
[08:23]  * YankDownUnder wonders if it has anything to do with the heavy-duty graphics that KDE insists on - in some fashion...
[08:23] <kallesbar> ducasse: Is virtuaboc linux software is so I have not tested it.
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox | kallesbar
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> kallesbar: from wich Os are you testing vmware right now?
[08:26] <kallesbar> lotuspsychje: could you clarify 0s
[08:26] <ducasse> kallesbar: operating system - what are you running vmware on?
[08:26] <kallesbar> lotuspsychje: Oh sorry, I am running vmware workstation pro 12.5.5 cersion in windows10
[08:27]  * coderrahul I am ubuntu noob -- my system has 12 gb ram, what should I do with it? 
[08:27] <ducasse> kallesbar: try virtualbox, it is available for windows as well, then install ubuntu in that.
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> coderrahul: enjoy it?
[08:28] <kallesbar> ducasse: As I mentioned all other ubuntu installitions works just fine in my current setup
[08:28] <coderrahul> lotuspsychje> Please elaborate?
[08:29] <rud0lf> throw a ram party
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> ...run a heap of 512mb VM's?
[08:29] <kallesbar> ducasse: It seems to be only that kubuntu promlematic
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> coderrahul: you ask what to do with lots of ram
[08:30] <ducasse> kallesbar: and you verified the checksum?
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> Kubuntu => set the graphics for VGA in the boot and try again.
[08:30] <kallesbar> ducasse: yes i did hashes are ok
[08:30] <coderrahul> lotuspsychje: I meant which applications uses a lot of RAM, like handbrake?
[08:30] <cherubim> Hello anybody help me i installed two linux distributions on on two partittions one is "mx-16 linux" and other one is "ubuntu Mate" and in grub menu i want to set mx-16 os a first option but i tried different things nothing worked please help me
[08:31] <ducasse> kallesbar: being dropped into the initramfs is typical for disk problems
[08:32] <bionicrm> are there known issues regarding `setcap CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE=+eip` on zesty?
[08:33] <kallesbar> ducasse: That Ithink also, worried a bit of that.  Becouse it is HD
[08:33] <kallesbar> ducasse: Not DVD
[08:33] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: Set the boot to silent -> edit the boot params => have you tried that? Because it's rather ODD that Kubuntu 16.04 and 17.04 are doing the same thing, hmm? So, barring an actual "disk" error, you might see more of what's going on?
[08:35] <cherubim> Hello anybody help me i installed two linux distributions on on two partittions one is "mx-16 linux" and other one is "ubuntu Mate" and in grub menu i want to set mx-16 os a first option but i tried different things nothing worked please help me please!!!!!!
[08:35] <ducasse> !patience | cherubim
[08:35] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: How to to that. I am not so famiilier with those booting parameters.
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: When you're at the BOOT menu - you can directly edit the boot params...
[08:36] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[08:37] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: There is no BOOT menu. Can break and stop installation start somehow
[08:37] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: I check that one
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: Check the disk/graphics settings for the VM you're trying to setup, eh?
[08:41] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: The installation is not go as far as I get the boot menu. It fails when trying start a life
[08:43] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: "Start a life"? Um...right...ok, what I'm getting at - SINCE both Kubuntu 16.04 and now 17.04 are doing exactly the SAME thing (not booting at all) - CHECK the graphics settings and the disk settings. Double check. KDE is graphically intensive - and it's rather strange that you're getting the same problem with two different ISO's of the same thing, true? I'm THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX - that's why I'm asking you to
[08:43] <YankDownUnder> CHECK and possibly change disk settings or graphics settings, hmm? Easy as pie.
[08:49] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: I download 16.10. Its installation seems to work. Going forwad, strange
[08:54] <logithack> i'm on ubuntu mate. how can i add/remove apps to/from the top taskbar?
[08:55] <YankDownUnder> logithack: Right-click, edit/remove/whatever
[08:57] <logithack> YankDownUnder: when i right click the taskbar, i can only view properties or add new icons, but theres no option to remove them.
[08:58] <YankDownUnder> If you click on an icon that is for a program, you can edit/delete/move it - if you click on something that's LOCKED, you'll have to UNlock it. There are also icons that are just there. They're generally part of the "system tray".
[09:01] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: 16.10 started the live sesion and there I successced install the kubuntu to HD
[09:01] <YankDownUnder> kallesbar: There ya go. All good.
[09:01] <YankDownUnder> logithack: https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[09:01] <logithack> YankDownUnder: so easy, lol. i was looking for a similar add/remove menu as in xfce. but got it now, thanks!
[09:03] <kallesbar> YankDownUnder: At this it is ok for me, I can check KDE desktop. Thanks for now
[09:27] <Eightynine> I'm tired of that stupid keyring why is it constantly launching? Why does Chromium open keyring and Firefox doesn't?
[09:28] <YankDownUnder> Eightynine: I'm sure you're dug through the wiki/forums for your answer, right?
[09:29] <Eightynine> No.
[09:29] <YankDownUnder> Then do so.
[09:30] <Eightynine> The most stupid OS is Linux why it even exists?
[09:30] <ducasse> Eightynine: then use something else.
[09:31] <YankDownUnder> Eightynine: YOUR perspective means absolutely nothing. Ignoring you from this point on.
[09:32] <pd009> its a measurement tool how stupid you are ;) thats why it exists
[09:33] <MonkeyDust> why does anything exist, that i don't like
[09:35] <pd009> Eigthynine: jsut get rid of the keyring or better: change the firefox code to your own needs! :P
[09:36] <Eightynine> Thank you for good answer.
[09:36] <ducasse> Eightynine: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chromium
[09:36] <ducasse> Eightynine: look under troubleshooting
[09:39] <Eightynine> Thank you, I found there information about disabling keyring prompt. I have another question. Is that normal that keyboard layout indicator is green in MATE?
[09:41] <guest_2087> morning! i would like to visit a website from my VPS servers IP adress. How can I do that?
[09:41] <guest_2087> I tried instaling squid, but no success. Is that a good tool for it or is there a easyer way?
[09:41] <guest_2087> I', using ubuntu 16.04
[09:42] <guest_2087> thanks for any pointers
[09:42] <MonkeyDust> guest_2087  if you like it, then it is good, depends on what you want to do or achieve
[09:43] <guest_2087> MonkeyDust: i need to login to sendgrid (email provider/service) from my VPS IP address, since there is a whitelist that my vps is on
[09:43] <guest_2087> so i need to browse using my vps as a proxy
[09:44] <guest_2087> is there a way to have ubuntu just "map" me to it? or is a tool like squid needed?
[09:44] <guest_2087> i followed the official docs https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/squid.html
[09:45] <guest_2087> and the service is upp and running, but can't use it somehow
[10:14] <blabs> hey what is the safest free email server you would reccomend?
[10:15] <blabs> *recommend :)
[10:19] <YankDownUnder> Postfix-Courier - or Dovecot.
[10:41] <cfhowlett> ping!
[10:43] <iuza> polari irc client
[10:44] <cfhowlett> !ping
[10:45] <kallesbar> ducasse: I installed virtualbox and succesfully installed kubuntu 17.04 on it. Thanks for help
[10:51] <Blackmore> Hi all! After upgrading to 17.04, I have the following problem. When I configure NetworkManager to use dns=default, I get "foo.com: Name or service not known", but when I use dig foo.com I et the right result. /etc/resolv.conf also has the right content (points to the right DNS server set by the DHCP client). Any hints?
[10:55] <bogi58> halli
[10:56] <l9> ello
[10:59] <ducasse> Blackmore: where do you get the error?
[11:00] <pmitros> My Ubuntu 16.04 install broke completely on upgrading to kernel 4.8.0-44 from 4.8.0-41. No network drivers work. Looking in the respective /lib/modules, there are 1248 files for -44 and 5835 files for -44
[11:00] <Blackmore> ducasse: ping <foo.com> ssh foo.com... everywhere
[11:01] <pmitros> I saw a similar question on askubuntu... but it was removed.
[11:02] <pmitros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/897719/ubuntu-16-04-break-hardware-after-kernel-upgrade-to-4-8-0-44 seems to be having the same problem, from the Google clip, but the page is gone
[11:02] <pmitros> Any ideas?
[11:03] <pmitros> And any ideas what changed? Can I just run the older kernel?
[11:03] <ducasse> pmitros: maybe the linux-image-extra-* package is not installed
[11:03] <Blackmore> ducasse: 'foo.com' is defined in my local DNS server which serves as an authority for 'foo.com' (if that can be of some help). I don't have any problems with any other distro that I run.
[11:05] <ducasse> Blackmore: and that server is listed in resolv.conf?
[11:06] <Blackmore> ducasse: Yes. And when I write: dig foo.com I get the right answer from the right server.
[11:06] <pmitros> ducasse: Hmmm.. There's something definitely odd with the package. Thanks. That gives enough to debug from
[11:10] <ducasse> pmitros: try apt install --reinstall linux...etc
[11:13] <pmitros> ducasse: I think I got it from here. It wasn't installed. There was also some discrepancy between Ubuntu's tools as to whether they thought it existed. I think I have it fixed, though. Just need to reboot.
[11:13] <ducasse> Blackmore: well, first thing i think of is that 17.04 has switched from dnsmasq to resolved, something could be happening there...
[11:14] <pmitros> ducasse: Thank you
[11:14] <ducasse> pmitros: no problem :)
[11:14] <billythekid> Hi guys. I just mounted google-drive to my ubuntu using the Online account options.
[11:15] <billythekid> Is there a way to copy a file there via command line?
[11:15] <billythekid> I can't seem to find where google-drive is actually mounted
[11:15] <billythekid> I can see it on nautilus but I'm not sure how to find the mounting point
[11:15] <billythekid> any ideas? :)
[11:17] <ducasse> billythekid: i don't think it is mounted as such, as part of the filesystem. transfer happens in a different way, but i don't know much about it. i think a few scripts exist if you want to use cli.
[11:18] <flux242> billythekid: what does mount say?
[11:18] <billythekid> ducasse: yeah I read about external apps that do the mounting. I assumed though that it is already mounted and I don't need them
[11:18] <billythekid> flux242: it does not list it
[11:18] <billythekid> I can see it on nautilus as "google-drive://my-email-here/"
[11:19] <billythekid> maybe it's like ducasse says. It is not actually mounted, rather a functionality added on nautilus?
[11:19] <ducasse> billythekid: i think your assumption there is flawed... it would be nice if they provided a standard protocol, but afaik they don't.
[11:19] <billythekid> hehe that's the conclusion I'm reaching but I thought to ask
[11:19] <flux242> billythekid: check the /var/run/user/xxx/gvfs
[11:20] <flux242> xxx is your user id
[11:20] <billythekid> yeah it's there
[11:20] <billythekid> what does it mean? can I copy there?
[11:20] <billythekid> sorry I have no idea what this is
[11:21] <ducasse> billythekid: try reading from there first
[11:21] <billythekid> hmmm I guess not the files included there are hashes
[11:21] <flux242> it's strange that mount doesn't list that mount point
[11:22] <billythekid> ok this seems to be a dead-end. my target is to rsync on google drive for backups. anyone done it with one of the external solutions?
[11:23] <ducasse> billythekid: look at rclone, it's in the repos
[11:23] <flux242> i did something like this but not with gdrive
[11:23] <billythekid> gdrive seems one option, google-drive-ocamlfuse another one
[11:24] <billythekid> aha! that's why I always ask in this channel. hehe :)
[11:24] <billythekid> ducasse: have u used rclone for long? happy with it?
[11:24] <billythekid> flux242: do u remember what u used?
[11:24] <ducasse> billythekid: haven't used it at all, just found it with apt search ;)
[11:25] <flux242> just a sec
[11:25] <billythekid> oh I see
[11:25] <ducasse> billythekid: there is a commercial thingy for gdrive and others, but i don't remember the name
[11:25] <ducasse> billythekid: insync or something
[11:27] <ducasse> billythekid: https://www.insynchq.com/ - never used that either.
[11:27] <billythekid> ducasse: thanks buddy I'll have a look. to be honest I was hoping for someone to popup and say "i've done it with X and I'm happy with it". Seem's like I'll need to experiment
[11:28] <flux242> http://flux242.blogspot.de/2012/06/mount-webdav-resources-with-davfs-and.html
[11:28] <ducasse> billythekid: for cloud storage i've only used rsync.net and tarsnap - happy with both.
[11:28] <flux242> syntax highlighting stopped working though. I don't know why
[11:29] <ubuntor_> Fresh installation of 17.04. Core i5, 6GB RAM, SSD. Still VERY slow boot. Anyone keen on helping me resolve this?
[11:30] <undead> look your bootlog, what takes long
[11:31] <undead> it has timestamps.
[11:31] <ducasse> ubuntor_: can you put output of 'systemd-analyze blame' in a pastebin?
[11:32] <Guest22161> I am totally blind and installed Ubuntu alongside Windows 10 and i cannot start Windows 10. What should i do?
[11:34] <androidlover5842> hi
[11:35] <ducasse> Guest22161: ask in ##windows for windows help
[11:35] <billythekid> ducasse, flux242 guys thanks for the help. I'll experiment with one of the resources that you sent me :) have good one!
[11:35] <ducasse> billythekid: np, have fun :)
[11:35] <androidlover5842> you know flux242 ?
[11:35] <ubuntor_> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/L6Qw3geF
[11:36] <ubuntor_> boot log: https://pastebin.com/mv0fepW4
[11:37] <Blackmore> ducasse: Indeed. My DNS server is 10.0.0.4 .. when I instead place external DNS server (like the one provided by the ISP) the resolving process seems to work... strange.
[11:38] <Blackmore> ducasse: *place in /etc/resolv.conf
[11:38] <ducasse> ubuntor_: fwupd takes over 7 seconds to start, it's a daemon to allow updating firmware. i have no clue if anything even uses that in the real world.
[11:40] <undead> ducasse disable the .service of fwupd
[11:40] <ubuntor_> ok, but that is not the biggest time sucker. have a look here at the dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/REB9ixgx
[11:40] <ducasse> ubuntor_: try 'systemctl status fwupd -l --no-pager'
[11:40] <undead> :-D ( what a great advice)
[11:41] <flux242> so, after apgrading to 17.04 my keyboard shortcuts that include alt-shift stopped working (i.g. alt-shift-e and so on). This happens because I'm using alt-shift to switch keyboard layouts too. As far as this was perfectly working up to 16.10 there seems to be some kind of regression in some package or even in the x.org. Could somebody confirm this behaviour?
[11:41] <ubuntor_> ducasse: fwupd[2167]: disabling plugin because: failed to startup dell: Firmware updating not supported
[11:42] <undead> do you have a dell
[11:42] <undead> ?
[11:42] <ubuntor_> Lenovo
[11:42] <ducasse> undead: ok, just disable it, then.
[11:42] <ducasse> ubuntor_: do you need/use ipv6?
[11:43] <ubuntor_> It is not the biggest problem regarding boot time. See here: https://pastebin.com/REB9ixgx
[11:43] <ubuntor_> No I dont think I need ipv6
[11:43] <ducasse> ubuntor_: then you can disable it. give me a sec.
[11:44] <ubuntor_> ok, thanks
[11:44] <ducasse> ubuntor_: http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/05/how-to-disable-ipv6-under-ubuntu.html
[11:45] <ducasse> ubuntor_: i would still disable fwupd if it's not working anyway.
[11:46] <util1> hi can someone explain to me why does my pc stays 1 minute on the grey screen whenI'm starting  it. It appeared this week ....
[11:47] <Vbits> My Dell XPS 15 9550 running Ubuntu 17.04 starts up from scratch after opening the lid. This only happens if the lid has been closed for more then about 10 minutes. I think it may be an issue coming out of sleep mode. It's running up to date BIOS.
[11:51] <ubuntor_> ducasse: can we do something about this aswell? "usb 2-6: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using xhci_hcd" It takes 30 seconds.
[11:53] <ducasse> ubuntor_: is it possible you have a usb keyboard/mouse plugged into a usb3 (blue) port? try moving it to a usb2 port.
[11:54] <ducasse> ubuntor_: that can create problems like that.
[11:56] <ubuntor_> ok thanks
[11:56] <ubuntor_> will try ro reobot now :)
[11:56] <ubuntor_> *reboot
[11:57] <cristian_c> hi
[11:58] <cristian_c> I'd like to know more info about how to use lirc with media players, for example mplayer
[11:59] <cristian_c> I've made some searches and read the doc, but I've not figuree out how it works
[11:59] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[12:02] <ducasse> cristian_c: iirc there are a few pages on it on the kodi wiki
[12:04] <ubuntor_> ducasse: Boot is still just as slow. I disconnected all USB dongles also before I did the reboot. Here is the new dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/inXgJZZs
[12:09] <ILikeUnity7> Hello! Please continue Unity 7.
[12:10] <ducasse> ubuntor_: i notice you have an r8169 ethernet adapter, are you using that or wireless?
[12:11] <ubuntor_> onlu wireless
[12:11] <ubuntor_> only
[12:11] <cristian_c> ducasse: I try to take a look
[12:12] <ducasse> ubuntor_: ok. those chips are known to be weird and problematic. you could try blacklisting the module, see if that speeds up boot when it's not trying to enable it.
[12:12] <ubuntor_> how to do that?
[12:12] <ducasse> cristian_c: otherwise you really need to ask a specific question, i'm not sure how to answer 'how does it work?' :)
[12:14] <ducasse> ubuntor_: create a file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-r8169.conf, put 'blacklist r8169' in it (without the 's)
[12:14] <ubuntor_> ok thanks
[12:16] <Gasher> hello, what package is the Ubuntu cursor located in?
[12:29] <ubuntor_> ducasse: blacklisting r8169 did not help.
[12:29] <cristian_c> ducasse: I need to make media keys working with audio files in mplayer
[12:30] <cristian_c> ducasse: mplayer guys have suggested me trying with kirc
[12:30] <cristian_c> *lirc
[12:30] <ubuntor_> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/MfjhBVww
[12:31] <cristian_c> ducasse: for example, I talk about mediakeys on laptop keyboard
[12:31] <ducasse> ubuntor_: let's take a look...
[12:32] <ducasse> ubuntor_: what does 'lsmod | grep r816' say?
[12:33] <ubuntor_> https://pastebin.com/sb21LLNn
[12:33] <yeats> cristian_c: http://lirc.org/html/index.html looks like a good place to start (I haven't used it myself, but that ToC looks pretty complete) - there's also a project mailing list: http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/lirc-list - probably a better source of support than this channel
[12:34] <cristian_c> yeats: ok
[12:35] <cristian_c> yeats: btw, I've already taken a look st the doc, but I've figured out what I should do, yet
[12:35] <ubuntor_> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/sb21LLNn
[12:35] <cristian_c> *at
[12:35] <cristian_c> *I've not figured out
[12:36] <BernhardPosselt> hi i just added a repo that provides a newer node.js but the old node.js is installed
[12:37] <BernhardPosselt> curl -sS https://deb.nodesource.com/gpgkey/nodesource.gpg.key | sudo apt-key add -
[12:37] <BernhardPosselt> echo "deb https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x xenial main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list
[12:37] <BernhardPosselt> should be enough right?
[12:37] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' should do it
[12:37] <ducasse> ubuntor_: it's still being loaded, did you create the blacklist file correctly?
[12:37] <BernhardPosselt> yeats: nope :)
[12:37] <BernhardPosselt> still on 4.x
[12:38] <BernhardPosselt> my guess is that the current package has a higher priority
[12:38] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: what is the output of 'apt-cache showpkg nodejs' (or whatever the actual package is you're trying to upgrade)?
[12:39] <BernhardPosselt> yeats: https://dpaste.de/aGw6
[12:40] <ubuntor_> ducasse: i think so https://snag.gy/4gCXfK.jpg
[12:41] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: what is the output of 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'?
[12:41] <BernhardPosselt> yeats: nothing to upgrade
[12:42] <BernhardPosselt> everything up to date :)
[12:42] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: how about 'sudo apt install nodejs'?
[12:42] <BernhardPosselt> yeah, that install 4.x
[12:42] <BernhardPosselt> instead of 7
[12:42] <BernhardPosselt> the external repo is fetched after the built in ones btw
[12:43] <BernhardPosselt> xenial, xenial-security, xenial-updates appear before the external repo
[12:43] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: yeah, it fetches ones in /etc/apt/sources.list before the ones in sources.list.d
[12:45] <ducasse> ubuntor_: ah, run 'sudo update-initramfs -k all -u'. didn't think of that :)
[12:46] <yeats> BernhardPosselt: ok, could you please paste in the output of 'sudo apt update'?
[12:46] <BernhardPosselt> yeats: https://dpaste.de/EqJg
[12:47] <Ben64> BernhardPosselt: apt-cache policy nodejs nodejs-dbg
[12:48] <BernhardPosselt> Ben64: https://dpaste.de/8YLL
[12:48] <Ben64> repo isn't working properly then
[12:48] <Ben64> or isn't added properly
[12:49] <BernhardPosselt> ive used
[12:49] <ducasse> ubuntor_: that should be it, it regenerates the initramfs to include the new blacklisted modules list. that is where it gets loaded in the first place.
[12:49] <BernhardPosselt> curl -sS https://deb.nodesource.com/gpgkey/nodesource.gpg.key | sudo apt-key add -
[12:49] <BernhardPosselt> echo "deb https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x xenial main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list
[12:49] <Ben64> ok
[12:49] <wireless-woes> I can't get my wireless to work.  I changed routers, updated my /etc/network/interfaces, sudo ifup says I got an ip address, router shows my computer as a dhcp client, but pages won't load.  Wired works fine.
[12:49] <ducasse> BernhardPosselt: if this is like the docker repo, the packages have different names than in the ubuntu repo
[12:50] <BernhardPosselt> ducasse: https://deb.nodesource.com/node_7.x/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[12:50] <BernhardPosselt> probably not :D
[12:50] <wireless-woes> ifup says "failed to reload dmdb.service: connection timed out"  What does that mean?
[12:50] <ducasse> BernhardPosselt: just a thought ;)
[12:50] <wireless-woes> Err, "smdb.service"
[12:51] <ducasse> wireless-woes: do you mean smbd?
[12:51] <wireless-woes> Yes, typo.
[12:51] <BernhardPosselt> ah ok, im an idiot xD
[12:51] <BernhardPosselt> tee does not append by default
[12:51] <BernhardPosselt> so the only thing that is in the sources.list file is the deb-src
[12:51] <ducasse> wireless-woes: that's samba. it most likely fails to start if it can't find the network.
[12:52] <ducasse> wireless-woes: which chipset is this?
[12:52] <wireless-woes> Do I need quotes around SSID in the config file?
[12:52] <yeats> Ben64: BernhardPosselt: I meant 'apt-cache policy' when I said 'apt-cache showpkg' :-)
[12:53] <wireless-woes> I'm not sure what chipset it is.
[12:53] <BernhardPosselt> so basically needed a tee -a
[12:53] <BernhardPosselt> for the deb-src entry
[12:53] <BernhardPosselt> works now, thanks :)
[12:53] <BernhardPosselt> !next
[12:54] <cobracyborg> -e
[12:54] <ducasse> wireless-woes: is the wifi built-in or usb?
[12:54] <wireless-woes> Built-in
[12:54] <ducasse> wireless-woes: can you pastebin 'lspci -k'?
[12:56] <wireless-woes> And... ifdown locked up.
[13:00] <wireless-woes> ducasse: My wifi worked just fine before I changed routers.
[13:01] <Mylon> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/7cG6vCmm
[13:01] <ducasse> wireless-woes: can you remove the password and pastebin the interfaces file?
[13:02] <Mylon> At the moment I can't do anything because ifdown locked up.
[13:03] <Mylon> <- wireless-woes laptop (on wired)
[13:03] <ducasse> Mylon: if you put quotes around the ssid remove them
[13:05] <Mylon> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/PuncpKBt
[13:06] <ducasse> Mylon: try commenting out netmask and gateway, you should get them via dhcp
[13:07] <Mylon> K, but how do I kill the lock on the network adapter?
[13:07] <ducasse> you can try reloading the kernel module
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <Mylon> Or I'll just reboot.  brb.
[13:09] <wireless-woes> Or I can not actually leave.
[13:09] <gddai> how do i fix this http://sprunge.us/UQPD
[13:09] <gddai> to utf8?
[13:15] <ubuntor_> ducasse: ok thank you once more :)
[13:16] <wireless-woes> ducasse: Something worked!  I'm online now.
[13:16] <wireless-woes> ducasse: Thanks for your help.
[13:16] <ducasse> !yay | wireless-woes
[13:16] <wireless-woes> Now to repeat this process for my rpi.
[13:18] <wireless-woes> Weird, my phone shows up on my router as "murata manufacturing co"
[13:20] <ducasse> wireless-woes: if you use /e/n/i on the rpi also it should be the same thing, just don't specify things you get via dhcp :)
[13:21] <wireless-woes> My laptop config had a lot of unnecessary crap in the file.
[13:21] <wireless-woes> I had set it up like... 3 years ago and didnt' know what I was doing.  Still don't, really.
[13:22] <ducasse> wireless-woes: iirc there's a chapter on using those tools for networking in the server guide
[13:23] <gddai> my locales show POSIX even though i installed german language pack and set de-DE.UTF-8, configured with dpkg and updated locales, rebooted the system but still it shows POSIX in locale.
[13:24] <gddai> locale -a shows de-DE.UTF-8 but also POSIX. i have to get rid of POSIX
[13:24] <gddai>  /etc/default/locale shows LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[13:24] <gddai> LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8
[13:25] <gddai>  /etc/locale_gen has only de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 uncommented
[13:30] <wireless-woes> That's weird.
[13:31] <wireless-woes> I want my rpi to have a static IP, and it worked for my old router.  Restarted adapter and it looked like it worked with the static IP, then it reverted to a DHCP ip?
[13:33] <PipeItToDevNull> wireless-woes, How did you set your IP
[13:33] <ducasse> wireless-woes: if you want a static ip reserve one for the mac address on the router
[13:33] <wireless-woes> In /etc/network/interfaces
[13:33] <ducasse> the mac=that mac
[13:33] <PipeItToDevNull> wireless-woes, did your interface name change
[13:33] <wireless-woes> Nope.
[13:34] <wireless-woes> I thought I could just edit the wireless ssid and password.
[13:34] <PipeItToDevNull> wireless-woes, Sounds like you tried reusing an old config?
[13:35] <wireless-woes> PipeItToDevNull: Yes.
[13:35] <PipeItToDevNull> wireless-woes, remake it, see if the issue persists
[13:35] <wireless-woes> I narrowed the DHCP range, let's see if the router respects my manual IP config now.
[13:35] <wireless-woes> I'm pretty sure it's a router problem.
[13:36] <rud0lf> i have a ubuntu as subsystem for chroot (not sure about the terminology), whenever i do anything it claims about error in locales: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24386917/
[13:36] <wireless-woes> Just seems really weird that it would revert to an assigned IP when it's supposed to be a static one.
[13:36] <rud0lf> i've been following some tutorials found on google and it didn't help
[13:37] <rud0lf> i cannot persist locales "en_US" (i want it instead of pl_PL)
[13:37] <PipeItToDevNull> rud0lf, The Linux Subsystem of WIn10?
[13:37] <rud0lf> no
[13:37] <rud0lf> chroot in xubuntu64 16.04
[13:37] <wireless-woes> Doh... I tried "sudo ifdown wlan0 | sudo ifup wlan0" because I know ifdown will kill my ssh... But it ran ifup first?
[13:38] <rud0lf> should i place export LANGUAGE=.. etc in .bashrc in /root/ directory?
[13:38] <rud0lf> it's terminal access and all i know about locales is how to set them with gui
[13:41] <wireless-woes> Yeah, changed router dhcp range and it works now.
[13:41] <ducasse> wireless-woes: pastebin the interfaces file
[13:42] <ducasse> wireless-woes: oh, it works
[13:51] <emanuel72> hi im italian
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> italians are irrelevant - you will be assimilated
[13:52] <flipper> Hi Italian, I'm Mike... ;)
[13:52] <Wulf> Good Morning.
[13:53] <Wulf> If I want to run a Windows Desktop as VM on my Ubuntu Laptop, what's the preferred VM sofware for it?
[13:54] <ducasse> Wulf: personally i like kvm (virt-manager)
[13:54] <phantom> hi all
[13:55] <phantom> im new jere and its my first time to use IRC from my ubuntu and im new user on ubuntu also
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> Wulf  vbox is free and sits in the repos, vmware product don't
[13:56] <flipper> ducasse: keeping this in the context of Ubuntu, or course, what are the advantages of KVN over VirtualBox, and VMWare?
[13:56] <flipper> phantom: welcome! how's it working out for you?
[13:56] <XUBI> good afternoon
[13:57] <phantom> very good
[13:57] <XUBI> rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 driver ?
[13:57] <phantom> im using ubuntu form 3 months till now, so im new
[13:57] <cfhowlett> phantom, ask your support question
[13:58] <phantom> 16.04
[13:58] <phantom> ask my support about what ?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> this is the ubuntu support channel, phantom.  ask your support question here or chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:59] <phantom> ahaaa .. ok, i got that,
[13:59] <phantom> thank you
[14:00] <phantom> mmmm, lets see >> how i can use that chat usefully ?
[14:00] <Wulf> ducasse: I'll give it a try, thanks for the suggestion
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> phantom  type    /topic
[14:01] <phantom> in chat bar ?
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> yes, here, where you type text
[14:01] <ducasse> flipper: kvm is free software, based on qemu and code already in the kernel. it's very well supported and works well. both vbox and vmware needs their own kernel modules and neither is completely free software afaik
[14:02] <Oerheks> XUBI, were you here yesterday too ??
[14:03] <flipper> XUBI: Maybe this will help?
[14:03] <flipper> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2249936
[14:03] <hk238> hello I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu along side my current linux distribution with the sole purpose of gaming with an online friend, GW2 to be exact. IT requires play on linux or wine, and doesn't work with this distro. I don't normally play games, but this is a social thing I suppose
[14:04] <phantom> actually i can't under stand what after i type topic
[14:04] <XUBI> no
[14:04] <XUBI> Oerheks: no
[14:04] <hk238> so... should I get 16 or 17 version? :o
[14:04] <Oerheks> XUBI, the driver will be available with kernel 4.12, and this bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1581711 suggest to build it from source https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs
[14:05] <MonkeyDust> hk238  17.04 has just been released, feel free to use it
[14:05] <cfhowlett> completely your choice. Note that 16.04 is a Long Term Support release. 17.04 is not.
[14:05] <hk238> alright thanks cool
[14:06] <hk238> cfhowlett sorry I was thinking about using this solely for the purpose of running play on linux or wine  and GW2, so if the version makes a difference regarding that.... Then I'd go with whichever is better for that purpose.
[14:06] <XUBI> no function
[14:06] <phantom> are there accounts with password here. or chatting with out account ?/
[14:06] <cfhowlett> hk238, they both work.
[14:07] <hk238> great
[14:07] <phantom> can i have an account here, or not available ?
[14:07] <derstrom> Hello. I am trying to boot a LiveUSB of Ubuntu 17.04 on my iMac (Late 2015). In the boot menu (holding down the Alt key on startup), I select “EFI Boot” (which I presume corresponds with the USB drive where copied the ISO onto). An error momentarily appears “No /boot […] found” but then displays the menu to “Try Ubuntu” or “Install Ubuntu” - no matter which one I select, the screen remains black afterwards. Any ideas as to wh
[14:07] <derstrom> can do here? (I’ve also tried booting from a DVD using my USB disc drive).
[14:08] <hk238> the contribution system with earmarked money seems pretty cool btw :D
 no function << what do you mean ?
[14:09] <flipper> hk238: If you want an install, and just use for years system, I recommend LTS only. If you go with an interim release, you have to upgrade every six to nine months, but you'll get all the cool new toys.
[14:09] <david> hello
[14:09] <david> are u there
[14:09] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | derstrom sounds like noodeset
[14:09] <Oerheks> !nomodeset | derstrom
[14:09] <Nothing> How to know current desktop environment?
[14:09] <Guest79976> not goof
[14:09] <Guest79976> good
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> hk238  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes#New_features_in_17.04
[14:10] <Guest79976> how to hack wifi
[14:10] <Sparrow_> Everyone talks about dual boot windows and linux and not enough tell peope about dual linux systems
[14:10] <Sparrow_> Guest79976, Not supported here
[14:10] <cfhowlett> Guest79976, nope.  not in this channel.
[14:10] <Guest79976> s
[14:10] <Nothing> !ot @Guest79976
[14:10] <Oerheks> Nothing, what DM > dpkg -l | awk '$2 ~ /dm$/'
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> Nothing  env|grep -i current
[14:11] <hk238> flipper I'm planning to continue using my current distribution, but this particular game (I dont really intend to play others either) doesn't work with this distro, so currently the plan is to install another distro and keep it to a minimum, so I only boot into that when gaming. Well that's the plan anyway, can easily turn into not feeling up to rebooting every time.. and then starting to use the new version insteaed
[14:12] <flipper> hk238: On my production machines, I only use LTS. On my personal laptop, I use the latest. I just upgraded my laptop from 16.10, to 17.04 yesterday. The upgrade went perfectly, with no problems, not a single issue that I've found yet. That doesn't always happen. Release upgrades have broken plenty of my systems in the past.
[14:12] <XUBI> overheaks hel me
[14:12] <XUBI> help me
[14:13] <ducasse> XUBI: he gave you a github repo to try
[14:13] <XUBI> yes
[14:13] <XUBI> but no function
[14:13] <XUBI> no make
[14:15] <derstrom> cfhowlett, Oerheks : Thank you, I’ll give that a try.
[14:16] <cfhowlett> happy2help
[14:18] <ducasse> XUBI: 'no make' tells us absolutely nothing
[14:19] <Sparrow_> Hate to ask, but what IRC network for LinuxMint
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !mint | Sparrow_
[14:19] <XUBI> yes
[14:19] <Sparrow_> cfhowlett, Dont be a jerk.  It is not a support question.
[14:20] <Oerheks> Sparrow_, then don't ask
[14:20] <cfhowlett> Sparrow_, don't be daft. you asked for mint channel. read the factoid and you'll see it.
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> Sparrow_  he's not being a jerk, it's a standard answer
[14:20] <Sparrow_> As an op here for almost a decade I know the rues
[14:20] <Sparrow_> rules
[14:21] <Oerheks> Sparrow_, you are an op here? with such attitude?
[14:21] <Oerheks> LoLz
[14:21] <Sparrow_> I started as an op here back before dapper
[14:21] <flipper> Sparrow_: I have a system which boots Between Windows 8, Ubuntu 14.04, Ubuntu 16.04, Cent OS 7.3 and OpenSuse 42.2. It works fine. They all share a single SWAP partition, and all user data is kept in a single NTFS partition.
[14:22] <Sparrow_> How is this conversation better than saying the network for Mint is...
[14:22] <Sparrow_> flipper, cool
[14:23] <webley> hi
[14:23] <Sparrow_> flipper, I started mounting my Desktop on its own partition instead of /hoome
[14:23] <webley> So let's say there is a package in Ubuntu that is available as binary + source package. I want that when the package is updated, that the source package is downloaded, built with extra steps and then pushed to PPA - or does PPA already build on their own infra?
[14:28] <flipper> Sparrow_: what does that accomplish?
[14:29] <Sparrow_> flipper, Mkaes for easy reinstall and able to keep my fies
[14:29] <Sparrow_> files
[14:29] <flipper> The The Desktop folder is one user folder that I do not redirect, becasue it may contain OS specific shortcuts.
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> Sparrow_  switch to the irc.spotchat.org server, then join the mint channel
[14:30] <phantom> how can i make account on IRC ?
[14:30] <flipper> Sparrow_: you keep your files only on your Desktop?
[14:30] <Sparrow_> MonkeyDust, already did
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> !register | phantom
[14:30] <webley> So let's say there is a package in Ubuntu that is available as binary + source package. I want that when the package is updated, that the source package is downloaded, built with extra steps and then pushed to PPA - or does PPA already build on their own infra?
[14:30] <webley> is it possible to hook into the official ubuntu repo and auto-build a new package when an updated package is published there?
[14:31] <Sparrow_> flipper, No I also have a UserData partition
[14:31] <Sparrow_> flipper, Just script out my changes to a fresh install
[14:33] <phantom> ubottu | thank you
[14:33] <phantom> :-D
[14:34] <flipper> Sparrow_: That's over my head. I don't know what script out my changes means.
[14:35] <Sparrow_> flipper, np, everyone has their own way of saving what is important during a reinstall
[14:35] <Sparrow_> or sharing between OS's
[14:39] <alberto> Hello everyone
[14:39] <alberto> I'm trying to remove some entries which I don't need on refind boot manager, but I just can't manage to do it.
[14:40] <alberto> I've tried adding the following line to refind.conf: dont_scan_files grubx64.efi,memx64.efi
[14:41] <alberto> But I get even more entries!
[14:46] <wudo_honour> hi How can I set the static route  script in ubuntu 16.04
[14:50] <john4563> can someone tell me how I can get ubuntu out of emergency mode? when I start up it goes straight to emergency
[14:50] <Pessimist> john4563, what do the error messages say?
[14:50] <alberto> I'm trying to remove some entries which I don't need on refind boot manager, but I just can't manage to do it.
[14:51] <john4563> I don't exactly get any error messages, just radeon no firmware and wifi no firmware
[14:51] <john4563> but it's worked before
[14:51] <john4563> it takes me to this screen is says "systemctl default" to try again, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, etc
[14:57] <golden_ticket> how do I open a zlib file?
[15:00] <AntonMc> Is using IIS forbidden for cdimage or archive mirrors?
[15:00] <pavlos> wudo_honour: this may help ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/168033/how-to-set-static-routes-in-ubuntu-server
[15:00] <Kiicki> Lubunu seamed to be really dead so I guess I need to ask here. I need to install the audio software that comes with Ubuntu. On lubuntu the "alsamixer" comes preinstalled which for some reason won't let me change the audio output. I have installed the audio software that is stock on Ubuntu before but cannot remember how or even what's it called
[15:00] <Kiicki> My PC has prebuilt speakers and the video is coming from there. I need the output to be from my TV which is connected with a HDMI cable to my PC
[15:02] <Guest2806> How accessible will be Ubuntu 18.04?
[15:02] <Sparrow_> klii np go to sound in settings and use hardware tab   select hdmi output
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> Guest2806  first wait for 17.10, in october
[15:02] <Guest2806> OK.
[15:02] <Sparrow_> actually digital stereo hdmi I think
[15:03] <flipper> Guest2806: what do you mean by accessible?
[15:03] <Guest2806> I mean how accessible it will be for blind Users.
[15:04] <mjnovice> Hello guys, am using ubuntu 16.04. I am facing glitches form the past few days. The glitch is that my entire system just hangs and becomes static, and the only way out is through the power button. Here is the link to the syslog log file https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1GTj1_DADCOdU9xWmtybVQzdjA/view?usp=sharing . I am not sure what is causing this. can someone have a look at the file and tell ?
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> Guest2806  afaik, there's orca and brltty
[15:06] <Guest2806> But how can i configure brltty to start every Time i login to Ubuntu?
[15:10] <MonkeyDust> Guest2806  is this useful http://mielke.cc/brltty/guidelines.html#start
[15:22] <frozenrouter> can I upgrade to ubuntu 17.04 when I use a different desktop to unity?
[15:23] <MonkeyDust> frozenrouter  sure
[15:23] <frozenrouter> thanks
[15:24] <ioria> frozenrouter, and what are you using instead of Unity ?
[15:31] <mjnovice> Guys, any idea how to debug a complete freeze on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[15:31] <mjnovice> I am wanting to know the root cause
[15:31] <FManTX> how do you freeze it?
[15:32] <mjnovice> FManTX: I don't freeze it, intentionally. I am using chromium browser and suddenly everything becomes static
[15:32] <mjnovice> The RAM/CPU consumption upto the point of freeze is pretty normal.
[15:32] <mjnovice> Well below normal.
[15:33] <mjnovice> Where should I be looking to find the root cause ?
[15:33] <FManTX> hm, so the whole system freezes?
[15:33] <mjnovice> Yes
[15:34] <mjnovice> Keyboard/Mouse input ceases to process/
[15:34] <paalgyula> i had a same issue
[15:34] <paalgyula> and i have upgraded my video card driver
[15:34] <paalgyula> when crashed? when you saw a video?
[15:35] <FManTX> almost sounds like a hardware issue, but hard to say
[15:35] <mjnovice> I have nvidia quadro card. I am using nvidia-375 driver.
[15:35] <thor_> apt-get install node-sass claims node is not installed. but it is. what am i missing?
[15:35] <mjnovice> paalgyula: no, I was not watching any video
[15:35] <thor_> no luck with node-sass-middleware either
[15:36] <paalgyula> thor_ sudo aptinstall nodejs-legacy
[15:36] <mjnovice> The RAM consumption was pretty low, around 4GB/32GB at the time of freeze.
[15:36] <paalgyula> thor_ sudo apt install nodejs-legacy
[15:40] <thor_> paalgyula, thanks :) nothing bout that in the guides i found. it compiles now. sorry for being such a noob, but npm says: npm WARN enoent ENOENT: no such file or directory, open '/var/www/thor.dev/test/package.json'
[15:41] <areyoureddy> Hello everyone!
[15:42] <thor_> paalgyula, so that means i just have no project for gulp or other tools?
[15:42] <paalgyula> sure :D but pakcage.json is just an npm config file
[15:42] <paalgyula> which command said that?
[15:46] <thor_> paalgyula, it was during the install. hmm. okay. so the json is just for npm. now Atom says node-sass was not found in /bin/sh. im using the sass-autocompile package. not sure if thats the right way to go about it?
[15:46] <paalgyula> i think you are asking it in a wrong channel
[15:47] <paalgyula> join #node.js
[15:47] <paalgyula> thay may can help you
[15:47] <thor_> paalgyula, you are right. thanks a bunch for helping me with the install. the rest is *cough* trivial :D
[15:47] <paalgyula> :D
[15:47] <thor_> paalgyula, will try the node channel. thanks. have a nice day.
[15:48] <paalgyula> thank you, same to you
[15:48] <dee_two> hello
[15:50] <areyoureddy> What's the most Windows-like DE you can install on Ubuntu?
[15:50] <areyoureddy> I think today was the second time Windows update borked my parents' computer and I'm getting tired of going over and fixing it :\
[15:51] <thor_> areyoureddy, Mate is close
[15:52] <thor_> areyoureddy, but it works, so maybe they wont like it :D
[15:53] <paalgyula> areyoureddy, have you ever tried KDE?
[15:54] <sirkATAR> areyoureddy: Mint with Cinnamon is very windows like. taskbar and program start menu
[15:54] <thor_> areyoureddy, check how old the machine is before jumping into Plasma
[15:54] <Oerheks> sirkATAR, don't suggest mint here, thanks. ( it is not supported)
[15:55] <sirkATAR> Oerheks: sorry wrong channel, thought i was elsewere :)
[15:56] <Oerheks> cinnamon is available, though..
[15:57] <Sparrow_> areyoureddy, Mate is good, kde lags a bit, cinammon is noce too
[15:57] <socialevil> hi guys. when i start my computer.. ubuntu loads like super slow.. 2-3 minutes.. but i have no idea what to do or how to fix it.. any ideas where to start?
[15:57] <brunch875> socialevil, have you tried pressing the escape key as it boots?
[15:57] <Sparrow_> socialevil, what all have you installed or added from outside repos
[15:57] <brunch875> that removes the splash and lets you see what's going on
[15:59] <socialevil> brunch875, when exactly should i press it? at the beginning loads like normal.. and then i see the purple screen for 2 minutes, should i press it then? Sparrow_ well it does that from the beginning, but just now i address the problem
[15:59] <thetamax> I ran a command to switch from ubuntu desktop to ubuntu server, and now when I boot I get this: error: file '/boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-46-generic.efi.signed' not found
[15:59] <thetamax> and there doesn't appear to be any way to boot now :(
[15:59] <thetamax> can I recover from this somehow or am I toast?
[15:59] <thor_> socialevil, brunch875 is right. could be a hardware hang. but you didnt give any details. fresh or old install? RAM?
[15:59] <MonkeyDust> socialevil  what's the output of    systemd-analyze
[16:01] <Oerheks> thetamax, did your server ever boot?
[16:01] <socialevil> thor_,  i guess its my video card.. there were problems at the beginning, some guy here helped me fix it, but i dont know what exactly was i doing.. just following his instructions.. 8gb ram
[16:02] <socialevil> MonkeyDust, Startup finished in 2.703s (kernel) + 10.218s (userspace) = 12.921s
[16:02] <thetamax> Oerheks: it booted fine back when it was in desktop mode, I ran the command to switch to server mode and left, and when I came back just now I found it sitting on the login screen (the desktop login screen) with a bunch of squares in place of text
[16:03] <thetamax> Oerheks: I had to do a hard power down, and now when I boot, I get the error above + "unaligned pointer" and a hex string
[16:03] <thor_> socialevil, plenty of juice then. try boot with no drivers
[16:03] <MonkeyDust> socialevil  so it boots in 13 seconds
[16:04] <brunch875> socialevil, what do you mean by "purple" screen? Does it display the ubuntu logo?
[16:04] <brunch875> I suspect the grub loader could be idling for a long time until it times out
[16:04] <brunch875> did you change any grub settings?
[16:04] <socialevil> brunch875, no, its the screen with the logo, then it just goes to purple screen for ~2 minutes and then i see the login screen
[16:05] <thor_> socialevil, try a safe boot.
[16:05] <pezdispenser> Hi there, I'm getting some screen tearing, and like the mouse jumping around, repeating movements when I hook up external monitor,   anyone know how I can resolve this ?
[16:06] <Oerheks> thetamax, try to boot into grub ( hold shift) and try an older kernel ?
[16:06] <socialevil> thor_, and then what?
[16:06] <pezdispenser> actually it's happening without external display, as well,
[16:06] <thor_> socialevil, is that is fast, then you have a driver issue.
[16:07] <thetamax> Oerheks: ok I'm at a grub console, can you give me a clue of what I can type there? :)
[16:07] <Oerheks> grub-console .. not the menu ?
[16:08] <thetamax> Oerheks: oh, from the menu I've tried everything and it always results in the same error
[16:08] <Oerheks> thetamax, did you enable secureboot after install the server version??
[16:08] <thetamax> Oerheks: no, I don't believe so (not sure what secureboot is)
[16:09] <Oerheks> vmlinuz-4.8.0-46-generic.efi.signed says you have an UEFI bios, with an option for secure boot.
[16:09] <thetamax> oh, hmm
[16:09] <thetamax> in the bios, I see an option for secure boot, but it's disabled
[16:09] <thetamax> should I enable it?
[16:10] <thetamax> heh well that didn't work
[16:10] <Oerheks> thetamax, if you disabled it at some point, yes. i was expecting it was turned off now...
[16:10] <thetamax> the bios yells at me for there's no proper digital signature
[16:11] <thetamax> eh, I'm not gonna worry about this too much, to be honest
[16:11] <thetamax> I'll see if I can pull the files I need off of this from a usb-boot and then reinstall a fresh copy of ubuntu :)
[16:11] <thetamax> this time I'll start with the server version :D
[16:12] <pezdispenser> Hi there, I'm getting some screen tearing, and like the mouse jumping around, repeating mouse movements, glitchy screen tearing,  how can I resolve this?
[16:14] <ztane> lol, logging in to my 17.04 via ssh, I get the message "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS end-of-life is April 25, 2017 -- Upgrade your Precise systems!
[16:14] <ztane> is this intentional?
[16:14] <thetamax> ztane: someone clearly intended it
[16:15] <Guest2806> Which Desktop Environment is best for blind Users?
[16:16] <antimist> anyway, so, I just upgraded from XUbuntu 16.04 to 16.10
[16:16] <ztane> thetamax: is this banner displayed on all ubuntu or is that system somehow confused now? IIRC it *was* originally a 12.04
[16:16] <antimist> on XUbuntu, unfortunately, my GTK apps have been screwy for some reason
[16:16] <antimist> or maybe it's a theme thing
[16:17] <thetamax> ztane: it sounds like there's some legacy stuff somewhere in your system that's displaying that, but I haven't seen it on any of my newer stuff. I've never run any given version long enough for it to reach end of life :P
[16:18] <antimist> yup, the default theme fixed it.
[16:18] <dli_> how to get 2-in-1 support: auto-screen rotation, disabling keyboard/touchpad, on-screen keyboard, etc.
[16:18] <ztane> it didn't show up on 16.10, I just upgraded to 17.04 and it is now displayed
[16:21] <cyrano> What is aptitude?
[16:22] <ikonia> another interface to the package manager
[16:22] <k1l_> cyrano: a frontend for the packages manager for the shell. apt is more commonly used on ubuntu and preinstalled
[16:23] <ztane> ah nvm, it comes from /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news which comes from https://motd.ubuntu.com/
[16:23] <ztane> *which gets its data from
[16:23] <ztane> seems like a new feature in 17.04
[16:23] <aruns_> Hi guys.
[16:24] <aruns_> Somewhat of a silly question, when you install Ubuntu from scratch, say just the base image on a headless VM, I am guessing it would automatically run an apt update?
[16:24] <dogol> can anybody help.. ive made a big mistake by using chown root:suer /* and now locked out all my files
[16:24] <socialevil> thor_, i cannot access recovery mode. when i reboot, i press and hold left shift - nothing happens.. when i press escape, i just see a menu that allows me either to go into bios or to select from what it should boot, my dvd or my hard disk.. its really strange
[16:25] <ztane> aruns_: depends on an image
[16:25] <aruns_> @ztane ubuntu/xenial64 https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ubuntu/boxes/xenial64
[16:25] <k1l_> dogol: running that command will spoil all the fileownerships. i guess best is to copy your data to a backup and make a proper reinstall
[16:26] <dogol> thats why i used the command.. after reinstall my old backup files had no permisions so was trying to unlock them..
[16:27] <dogol> so i guess i'll have to start again then?
[16:27] <pezdispenser> I cannot fix this screen tearing/mouse glitching issue , Just did a fresh install, please help
[16:28] <dogol> so there is no way to reverse that command k1l_
[16:29] <k1l_> dogol: you can reverse that. you can only set every file and folder to the correct permissions manually. and that takes way long then a reinstall
[16:29] <k1l_> *longer
[16:29] <Capum321> where is the path for GNOME installation? Is it a package?
[16:29] <k1l_> Capum321: can you give more context?
[16:29] <thor_> socialevil, It doesnt sound right. try your live version, and see if that boots okay. if its a fresh install, it takes little time to start over.
[16:29] <Capum321> k1l_: http://www.mono-project.com/docs/compiling-mono/parallel-mono-environments/
[16:29] <dogol> ah i get ya.. i cant access the files to back em up now tho
[16:30] <k1l_> dogol: start the ubuntu usb, mount the hdd there, then copy to your backup
[16:30] <dogol> sounds good k1l_.. here goes my 101th install
[16:31] <k1l_> dogol: its the hard way to learn, but most of us did similar things as beginners.
[16:31] <pezdispenser> Cannot find any useful information... was never a problem before
[16:32] <dogol> its the only way we do learn k1l_ and guess its all part of the fun
[16:32] <Capum321> k1l_: see?
[16:32] <Sparrow_> pezdispenser, does it do it at all avail resolutions in the display manager
[16:32] <nacc> Capum321: why are you building mono?
[16:33] <Capum321> because there is no build for i386
[16:33] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  I've tried a few and it still does yes
[16:33] <dogol> k1l_: read somewhere that not to even use the a home dir and keep all files on extrnl hdd
[16:34] <Sparrow_> what video card is in your system
[16:34] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  it's pretty bad,  it's intel cherryview I believe
[16:34] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  or wait
[16:34] <nacc> Capum321: what? yes it is
[16:34] <nacc> Capum321: what pakcage are you trying to isntall that is not on i386?
[16:34] <Sparrow_> pezdispenser, I jave intel here and just use std drivers for everything
[16:34] <Capum321> nacc: oops, sorry i shall build monodevelop
[16:34] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  std?
[16:34] <pezdispenser> standard
[16:35] <nacc> Capum321: the actual answer to your question is 'gnome-devel' probably and then see what it installs. But you probably don't even need to build
[16:35] <nacc> Capum321: monodevelop is an architecture independent package
[16:35] <Capum321> nacc, getting mislead by the names
[16:35] <nacc> Capum321: in universe, it should install fine on i386
[16:35] <Capum321> nacc, i will install the other one, not universe, how it's called?
[16:36] <nacc> Capum321: what other one? you're not being very clear what you need
[16:36] <Capum321> the latest
[16:36] <nacc> !latest | Capum321
[16:36] <nacc> Capum321: but "becuse it's not availabe on i386" is absolutely false for mono, afaict
[16:36] <nacc> Capum321: and is definitely not a reason to build it from source
[16:36] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  no other options in the "additional drivers tab"    I didn't have this issue with 16.04,   i went to 17.04,   couldnt fix and went back down to 16.04.2   issue is now still persisting
[16:36] <dogol> k1l_: if i start live usb.. will i be able to cp.. mv some files to extrnl hdd
[16:36] <Sparrow_> pezdispenser, yes, standard default setup on acer laptop
[16:37] <k1l_> dogol: yes
[16:37] <Capum321> nacc yes, sure, I already correct myself, it's about building the latest monoDEVELOP
[16:37] <ikonia> pezdispenser: how did you "go back down"
[16:37] <pezdispenser> ikonia:  fresh install,
[16:37] <dogol> ok thanks k1l_ .. here goes.
[16:37] <nacc> Capum321: why do you need the "latest" ?
[16:37] <Sparrow_> pezdispenser, I wont be able to help with that.  try booting a few different live setups and see what you find out
[16:38] <nacc> Capum321: and if you insist you do, i told you what you wanted to know. We can't really support building mono from source, please ask mono for help with that part.
[16:38] <pezdispenser> Sparrow_:  live work just fine,  I've tried ubuntu 17.04,  ubuntu gnome 17.04  and ubuntu 16.04.2  and after about 5 mins this issue always starts to happen : /
[16:39] <Sparrow_> wow that is odd
[16:39] <pezdispenser> i ran the intel driver update utility as well in hopes of fixing
[16:40] <Sparrow_> I am hoping it is not a thermal issue.  dmac comes to mind.
[16:40] <Oerheks> Capum321, are you sure there is no i386 version > http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/
[16:41] <Capum321> Oerheks: not mono, again, monodevelop the IDE
[16:41] <Sparrow_> Id try going to kernel 4.5 or newer
[16:41] <Capum321> is monodevelop possible to compile to i386 : source of information : https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=51534
[16:43] <Capum321> i mean from the git or tarball?
[16:45] <Oerheks> Capum321, https://github.com/mono/monodevelop
[16:45] <Oerheks> pezdispenser, try a custom xorg.conf with the option "TearFree"    "true" > https://askubuntu.com/questions/667466/screen-tearing-in-ubuntu-with-nvidia-intel-graphics
[16:45] <Capum321> yes, could you clarify a bit?
[16:46] <pezdispenser> Oerheks:  thank you I'll give it a try,
[16:46] <Oerheks> Capum321, not sure about i386, never tried building mono
[16:47] <Capum321> they don't have the i386 build, but that means I can't compile on my own with git or tarball?
[16:47] <Oerheks> Capum321, i think you better follow nacc's advise, and join the mono channel ?
[16:48] <Capum321> it's dead over ther
[16:48] <Capum321> thanks anyway will try along
[16:49] <Guest2806> Which ISO Image of Ubuntu should i download? Amd64, And can i also use i386 ISO Image on a 64-Bit Computer?
[16:50] <Capum321> Oerheks: is it correct to put in these terms "compile with git" or is it "build with git" ?
[16:50] <implite> wow GNUstep looks nice! wonder if i can get that to also work in ubuntu
[16:50] <implite> !GNUstep
[16:51] <implite> no info lol
[16:52] <mendex> how to update manually ubuntu MATE with a bootable usb??
[16:53] <marvin2> hi. what is the simplest way to supply password to ssh? I don't care about security, I have ubuntu running under VM on the machine that only I am using
[16:53] <coffeeguy> thinking about buying an hp and putting linux on it. HP still make their desktops linux friendly?
[16:53] <marvin2> (by supply I mean supply it in the script, so that I don't have to type it every time I run it)
[16:53] <cyrano> How can I run .jar files?
[16:54] <Sparrow_> coffeeguy, I have been buying ASUS quad core laptops new for $250 that love linux
[16:54] <coffeeguy> Sparrow_, link? :D
[16:54] <marvin2> I am reading man ssh and I don't see a way to supply password directly, only through identity_file, which seems unnecessarily complicated for my situation
[16:54] <Sparrow_> Amazon, one sec
[16:55] <Sparrow_> https://www.amazon.com/VivoBook-15-6-Inch-Performance-Premium-Processor/dp/B01KAP7RJG/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1492275315&sr=1-7&keywords=asus+laptop
[16:56] <Sparrow_> Went up to $272
[16:56] <coffeeguy> thank you Sparrow_ checking the specs now
[16:56] <Sparrow_> I bought four for family
[16:56] <coffeeguy> neat
[16:56] <coffeeguy> ubuntu runs great hunh?
[16:57] <implite> there is not much that it wont work on
[16:57] <Sparrow_> Honestly, I am running Mint Mate 18.1 on them but yes, ubuntu too
[16:57] <ant_> ubuntu does work great sick 0f windows 10
[16:58] <coffeeguy> this is what i was looking at http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-260-P026-Slimline-Desktop-Intel-Core-i3-6100T-3-2GHz-8GB-1TB-Windows-10-/252710382079?_trkparms=5373%3A0%7C5374%3AFeatured
[16:58] <implite> I have found a way to run all my windows programs if i need so no need windows for much of anything now
[16:58] <coffeeguy> just worried about the unified hardware
[16:59] <pezdispenser> no such luck with adding the xorg no tear ....
[16:59] <implite> coffee guy
[16:59] <coffeeguy> yes?
[16:59] <implite> dont buy that imo
[17:00] <boboma> Hello. Got the problem that since a few days my laptop is reboot if I want to wake it up from suspend.
[17:00] <Sparrow_> coffeeguy, Im sure that one is fine, I personally know the asus work
[17:00] <implite> there are a lot better ones on ebay with i5
[17:00] <coffeeguy> implite kk will look :)
[17:00] <boboma> Never had this behavior before. Any idea what could cause that?
[17:00] <coffeeguy> ty guys :)
[17:01] <Sparrow_> I set these up with hdmi and wireless trackballs to the big screen and home entertainment, chrome, netflix hulu stuff
[17:01] <tomreyn> Sparrow_, implite, coffeeguy: could you kindly move the hardware chat to -offtopic?
[17:01] <implite> coffee guy i sent you a message if you would like to chat there
[17:01] <Sparrow_> im done
[17:01] <tomreyn> or anything non ubuntu support releated really
[17:02] <tomreyn> ty
[17:02] <coffeeguy> tomeryn np
[17:03] <tomreyn> boboma: this (if I understand your problem description correctly) sounds like a ##hardware issue.
[17:04] <Sparrow_> boboma, Id try the 4.5 or newer kernel
[17:05] <tomreyn> marvin2: you shoul dindeed use ssh key based authentication for this use case. it's note really that complex.
[17:07] <fun> Anyone from outside India?
[17:07] <fun> Coming to India?
[17:07] <yeats> !ot | fun
[17:07] <tomreyn> this chat is just about ubuntu support really. maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:21] <areyoureddy> night everyone c:
[17:23] <pezdispenser> grrr
[17:23] <pezdispenser> this is a problem
[17:23] <FManTX> fix problem
[17:23] <pezdispenser> trying endlessly
[17:25] <pezdispenser> i'm ready to leave ubuntu just about
[17:26] <ikonia> pezdispenser: why do you think this is an ubuntu problem
[17:26] <pezdispenser> ikonia: linux problem
[17:27] <ikonia> ahh, so you don't think you're having an ubuntu problem
[17:27] <FManTX> install Windows 10?
[17:27] <pezdispenser> ikonia:  I'm having a graphical problem,  which I cannot resolve whilst on ubuntu
[17:27] <FManTX> did you try another graphics card?
[17:27] <pezdispenser> FManTX:  I have windows 10 on other machines but I rather enjoy linux, I'd like to continue using it
[17:28] <pezdispenser> FManTX:  it's a laptop,
[17:28] <FManTX> well, Linux is notorious for not being able to display graphics
[17:28] <ikonia> FManTX: no it's not
[17:28] <FManTX> I had to do several trickery to get a standard 1280*1024 resolution out of Ubuntu :)
[17:29] <pezdispenser> FManTX:   this problem didn't exist on 16.04   even upgraded to 16.04.2    but now upon fresh isntall 16.04.2 this problem is here..
[17:29] <ikonia> FManTX: so by that logic, because I had no problems, that means "linux never has a problem displaying any graphics"
[17:31] <FManTX> no comment
[17:31] <pezdispenser> adding no tear option to xorg file will not fix, i'm stumped
[17:34] <krain> Hello
[17:34] <_28Kb> you have to say what is specific issue
[17:34] <krain> I added a second pub key to my id_rsa.pub file and can't authenticate with it
[17:34] <krain> I can auth using the first key pair just fine
[17:35] <krain> Using mint 18 and openssh
[17:35] <krain> same user id
[17:35] <krain> anyone know what would cause that>
[17:35] <krain> ?
[17:38] <pezdispenser> I may have fixed it
[17:38] <pezdispenser> I HAVE MADE FIRE
[17:38] <pezdispenser> I mean... i fixed it
[17:39] <pezdispenser> ikonia:  thanks for the help man
[17:39] <ikonia> pezdispenser: didn't do anything, you sorted yourself
[17:39] <pezdispenser> Oerheks: thank you then for the articles,
[17:39] <pezdispenser> lol
[17:39] <_28Kb> you sent him good mojo :)
[17:41] <Oerheks> pezdispenser,  have fun!
[17:41] <boboma> tomreyn, already did a test run. found nothing ;(
[17:41] <pezdispenser> Oerheks: I solved the issue,  articles favorited ;) will do, thanks
[17:42] <_28Kb> krain, i suppose different ssh keys must have different user@platform names
[17:42] <Oerheks> pezdispenser, thank you for the feedback, it will help other users
[17:42] <Oerheks> ( but i knew it could be the fix)
[17:42] <krain> my current syntax is
[17:43] <krain> ssh-rsa
[17:43] <krain> Key1kljfaslkjdhglkdjahfa
[17:43] <krain> Key2jkdshafkljhdsfk
[17:43] <_28Kb> ok :)
[17:43] <pezdispenser> Oerheks:  was kind of stupid,  I seen the directory had been renamed to  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d  after 10.10  and it's that way in a lot of articles...  but it ended up just needing the name  /etc/X11/xorg.conf instead
[17:44] <krain> shouldn't the server look at all pub keys for a match?
[17:44] <_28Kb> only the platform specific
[17:46] <_28Kb> you connect from "this" to "that"... generate key in "this", then pass it to "that" and it works
[17:48] <FManTX> congrats on your dispensed pez
[17:48] <krain> RIght, a private key on my phone (client) and laptop (client) to Mint desktop (host)
[17:48] <krain> the phone works
[17:48] <krain> they pub key i generated on the laptop does not
[17:49] <krain> private key on laptop* public key on host*
[17:49] <_28Kb> you don't need two keys
[17:49] <krain> I can still auth with password, so I'm sure the connection is fine
[17:49] <FManTX> use same key?
[17:49] <krain> you think I should just take my phone's private key?
[17:49] <_28Kb> u use same pass for facebook both from your laptop and phone
[17:51] <_28Kb> when someone steal your key, then you delete public one and key is not working anymore
[17:54] <_28Kb> i know that much of ssh... you should just pass existing key to your phone
[17:54] <_28Kb> i've never done that, someone else must help you
[17:55] <FManTX> I just use passwords :P
[17:57] <krain> Fair enough, trying it now.
[17:57] <krain> Passwords are too much of a pain for scripting and automation :/
[18:01] <krain> Ok, openssh still rejects the putty connection even with the same key
[18:02] <krain> So it is either my key formatting in windows client or a restricted config on the server (not likely as it is a new install)
[18:02] <FManTX> you are doing something wrong
[18:03] <FManTX> do you get an error message or see something in the secure log?
[18:04] <krain> Server refused our key
[18:05] <krain> where would I find logging?
[18:07] <krain> found auth.log, checking
[18:10] <krain> User kyle authorized keys /home/kyle/.ssh/authorized_keys is not a regular file
[18:12] <Nilesh_> whuch package gives libOpenCL.so?
[18:12] <Nilesh_> which*
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> hi, how do I remove a whitelisted ipaddress from sshguard
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> ?
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> hi, how do I remove a whitelisted ipaddress from sshguard?
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> 'sshguard -w ip.add.re.ss' whitelists an ipaddress
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> how do I remove the same ip address after whitelisting
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> ?
[18:27] <LinuxAdventure> hello, how can I add tlp in the startup programs in Lubuntu 17.04?
[18:28] <zteam> Hi all, I'm facing Failed to add entry for user gustav then I try to add a sambauser with sudo smbpasswd -a gustav I have done this multiple times before without problems, /etc/smb.conf seems to be having all permissions set correctly as well
[18:31] <zteam> even more oddly is that sudo smbpasswd -d works perfectly for disaebling another samba user
[18:32] <marvin2> I just noticed that ~/bin is in my path. is that by default? and is that where I am suppose to put my executables, as opposed to /usr/local/bin
[18:33] <yeats> marvin2: *your* excecutables should probably go in ~/bin, yes - root's executables go in /usr/local
[18:34] <yeats> /usr/local/bin
[18:34] <MonkeyDust> marvin2  /usr/bin/ and /usr/sbin/ is where the executables sit
[18:34] <yeats> marvin2: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4186/what-is-usr-local-bin#4187
[18:35] <marvin2> there's also ~/.local/bin
[18:36] <krain> any more ideas on what the the following auth.log error is?
[18:36] <krain> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAQEA1jIMb0/3XQPkJRPfkNac2QDM66QrFeAkxHRKbQ3oGqpWsrrcZMN61k1ebD2AeloKQpKL6W7i8VbrP0y8FSBMFunodhJ88Gl1E6jG5ZrlcLYAcTEqbLM4v8SrmsEUeBXDE7iaPNP6iuKUyikhCFIEzCKtwJma0yMK25esKfywfCgWBnO9Rkl4YRngDIdmyEFagM4MADin3pCBX2jQSjVIJmATxCQFylBIB5i3Y719NO5Ej2sUTIWHw5Zb3EqG2O1x6JDFGp5N1nGDAivf5JIWc6HAvWh6nlSYcP5X/ZorEzu4kTes3clh/+dTJs
[18:36] <krain> Nq6d15yezU5TnB113L+jIjRs7b2Q== imported-openssh-key
[18:36] <krain> woops, wrong paste... that's no good any more...
[18:36] <Ben64> heh
[18:36] <Ben64> and put whatever it is into a pastebin
[18:36] <krain> ok
[18:36] <yeats> marvin2: that's not in your PATH by default, but you can also append custom dirs to your PATH in ~/.bashrc and friends
[18:37] <Ben64> ~/bin is in path by default
[18:37] <yeats> Ben64: but not ~/.local/bin
[18:37] <Ben64> ah ok
[18:38] <marvin2> yeats I don't recall ever setting additional paths
[18:39] <marvin2> anyway, if I want to override emacs command with my sh script that calls emacs program, where should it go?
[18:39] <tonyt> has anyone succesfully installed a newer nvidia driver on 17.04?
[18:39] <yeats> marvin2: add 'export PATH=/your/custom/path:$PATH' to ~/bashrc, then '. ~/.bashrc' (or just put it in ~/bin)
[18:39] <Ben64> tonyt: it's best to describe your issue rather than ask if "anyone _____ ?"
[18:39] <yeats> it will check ~/bin before the others
[18:39] <tonyt> ok sec
[18:40] <marvin2> yeats but why not /usr/local/bin? I was putting all my scripts there
[18:40] <marvin2> if I put it in ~/bin then root can't call those commands?
[18:40] <yeats> marvin2: did you read the stackexchange link? that should clarify
[18:40] <marvin2> i glanced at it, i'll read it more thoroughly
[18:41] <yeats> marvin2: and btw, these are all just conventions, in the end you can put it where you want
[18:41] <marvin2> i know
[18:41] <tonyt> has anyone seen this https://1drv.ms/i/s!Aqm_HiYIEo4Ej2OaNH_2pLsxs2XK when trying to install a nvidia driver on 17.04?
[18:41] <ioria> marvin2, usually ~/bin it 's for the single user, /usr/local/bin is system wide
[18:42] <marvin2> i have a single user
[18:42] <tonyt> and is their a way around that error(s)?
[18:42] <marvin2> and root
[18:42] <Ben64> tonyt: not really recommended or supported here to install nvidia drivers manually
[18:42] <marvin2> actually with sudo I guess that single user is root? I did notice that I can't login as root
[18:42] <Ben64> marvin2: only root is root
[18:42] <ioria> marvin2,  can you paste    echo $PATH ?
[18:43] <tonyt> ben whats bad about installing manually? thats the only way to get true 3d support
[18:43] <Ben64> tonyt: that is false
[18:43] <yeats> tonyt: there should be an nvidia install log somewhere (probably in the dir where you ran the script) - but yeah, better to install from the repos
[18:43] <marvin2> ioria /home/marvin/bin:/home/marvin/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[18:43] <tonyt> ben using what comes with ubnutu it results in video tearing
[18:43] <Ben64> look into "vsync"
[18:44] <tonyt> i look in the log. it has no solution
[18:44] <tonyt> k
[18:44] <marvin2> path is set to ~/bin, but that directory does not exist out of the box
[18:44] <tonyt> what comes with ubuntu has no vsync option
[18:44] <ioria> marvin2,  it's ok, you can put your script there (/home/marvin/bin)
[18:44] <ioria> marvin2,  true
[18:44] <marvin2> ioria can I run those scripts as sudo?
[18:44] <tonyt> thats why you need to install nvidia's driver manually
[18:44] <marvin2> in ~/bin
[18:44] <Ben64> tonyt: that is false as well
[18:45] <yeats> tonyt: run nvidia-settings (it does come with the repo version)
[18:45] <tonyt> ben where is the option?
[18:45] <tonyt> k
[18:45] <ioria> marvin2,  you should have created it, is some way
[18:45] <ioria> *in
[18:45] <tonyt> when you say repo version ben you happen to know the name of the file?
[18:45] <Ben64> what do you mean file
[18:46] <tonyt> is it just nvidia-settings?
[18:46] <Ben64> that's the name of the settings executable
[18:46] <krain> FIgured out my issue, I was using /.ssh/authorized_keys as a directory
[18:46] <ioria> marvin2,  i never run script as sudo, if i can't help it
[18:46] <marvin2> yeah that is an issue. I just put a script in /home/marvin/bin/, and I can't run them as sudo
[18:46] <tonyt> k
[18:47] <krain> I now have an authorized_keys file... thanks to the help guys
[18:47] <Ben64> marvin2: best to avoid using sudo
[18:47] <tonyt> no option in the nvidia-settings for vsync
[18:47] <Ben64> tonyt: sure there is
[18:48] <marvin2> Ben64 I don't when I need to. but some scripts need sudo. and I'm not sure I like having two paths for my script
[18:48] <marvin2> when I don't need to*
[18:48] <Ben64> marvin2: what scripts need sudo
[18:48] <tonyt> ben no there isnt.
[18:48] <tonyt> im not seeing it
[18:48] <Ben64> tonyt: what is the actual issue you're experiencing
[18:48] <tonyt> ben look at the screen shot i posted ealrier please
[18:48] <marvin2> Ben64 scripts that run commands that need sudo. or scripts that modify files that need sudo to be modified
[18:49] <Ben64> tonyt: the one where you're trying to install nvidia manually?
[18:49] <tonyt>  https://1drv.ms/i/s!Aqm_HiYIEo4Ej2OaNH_2pLsxs2XK
[18:49] <tonyt> ya
[18:49] <Ben64> tonyt: that is not supported here
[18:49] <tonyt> is it supported anywheres?
[18:49] <Ben64> marvin2: sounds sketchy
[18:49] <Ben64> tonyt: only the repository version is supported here
[18:49] <tonyt> k
[18:50] <Ben64> so if you want to actually explain your issue maybe it can get fixed
[18:50] <marvin2> Ben64 I'm not sure why it would be sketchy to automate commands that need sudo
[18:50] <Ben64> marvin2: because the number of things that need sudo regularly is pretty much 0
[18:50] <marvin2> it doesn't need to be used regularly
[18:51] <ioria> marvin2, so you have a script in ~/bin that requires sudo ?
[18:51] <marvin2> anyway didn't mean to turn this into an argument
[18:52] <Ben64> just trying to help, you seem like  you might not know the best practices
[18:52] <marvin2> ioria not right now, but at some point I may want to run some scripts as sudo
[18:53] <w9qbj> The way I run 'sudo ~/bin' commands is to put the sudo in the .sh file  It still will ask for the password
[18:54] <w9qbj> The script doesn't need the sudo, but the internal commands to, and I don't have to remember to sudo
[18:54] <marvin2> w9qbj that is interesting. so sudo is calling in a yourscript, not sudo yourscript
[18:54] <marvin2> is called*
[18:54] <w9qbj> marvin2: yes.
[18:54] <ioria> marvin2,  if you run a script with sudo from there you 'll probably  get 'sudo - command not found'.... so you may need to give it the full path ..   sudo bin/myscript.sh   but not good practice
[18:55]  * freddyP goes for dinner
[18:55] <marvin2> i already created a bunch of scripts in usr/local/bin as sudo. if I move them to ~/bin will I still need root rights to edit them?
[18:56] <marvin2> since root created them
[18:57] <w9qbj> marvin2: or chown them (as root) maybe even to mv them
[18:59] <marvin2> sudo chown marvin /usr/local/bin/* ?
[18:59] <Ben64> nooo
[18:59] <marvin2> heh
[18:59] <marvin2> only my scripts are there
[19:00] <Ben64> man you gotta stop using sudo so much
[19:00] <marvin2> I created those files under sudo, after moving them to /home/marvin/bin I wasn't able to edit them without sudo
[19:00] <Ben64> right
[19:00] <marvin2> just tried
[19:01] <Ben64> so sudo chown marvin /home/marvin/bin/*
[19:01] <marvin2> neat
[19:02] <arch92> try chown -R marvin:marvin /home/marvin/bin/
[19:02] <marvin2> I already did it without -R
[19:02] <marvin2> and with marvin:marvin
[19:02] <marvin2> and without marvin:marvin
[19:03] <marvin2> -R is recursive, marvin:marvin is marvin user, marvin group?
[19:03] <marvin2> what is group?
[19:04] <arch92> yes, marvin is user
[19:05] <arch92> so if you typing syntax above you will have granted to access file into directory
[19:06] <arch92> hmm.. tell me when I was wrong
[19:06] <marvin2> ls
[19:07] <marvin2> I kind of like this, not having to call sudo every time I want to edit a script
[19:07] <arch92> oh, I almost forget about edit a script
[19:08] <maarhart> How to set the default window manager from the terminal? latest ubuntu
[19:08] <arch92> type this chmod 755 /path/your/file, file can you change directory
[19:09] <maarhart> in which file is this specified?
[19:09] <arch92> like this chmod 755 /pat/your/directory
[19:09] <marvin2> arch92 who was that for?
[19:10] <uL4m0G> newb linux user here, what anyone recommends, should I just do a new installation of ubuntu 17.04 or upgrade ?
[19:11] <wedgie> no reason not to try upgrading. that usually goes quite smoothly in my experience
[19:11] <arch92> marvin: you can type granted access on single command: chown -R marvin:marvin /path/your/directory && chmod 755 /path/your/directory
[19:11] <wedgie> though if you're nervous, wait a month or two. by then any kinks should have been worked out
[19:11] <uL4m0G> wedgie do you know how i can upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04?
[19:12] <wedgie> !upgrade
[19:12] <marvin2> arch92 what does chmod 755 do?
[19:12] <lirammr> hi
[19:13] <lirammr> kmail is like 60MB to download
[19:13] <lirammr> how do I identify that when any email comes?, it should generate an alarm sound??
[19:13] <arch92> chmod 755 give your access to edit file into directory without permission root
[19:13] <lirammr> I can't watch all emails, and my email is web based and is grpahical too
[19:14] <arch92> if you want upgrade, please don't type apt-get upgrade but apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:14] <arch92> to details you can type into terminal man apt-get
[19:14] <marvin2> arch92 hmm, I seem to be able to do that with just chown
[19:15] <arch92> marvin: can you access now your file or script without root?
[19:15] <marvin2> arch92 yes I modified it without sudo
[19:15] <arch92> yep, that's true
[19:17] <ClydeSlims> Which ubuntu installation is good for my graphics card to utilize its performance properly to max potential? AMD Radeon HD 7700HD.
[19:19] <arch92> ClydeSlims try read this http://tutorialforlinux.com/2017/03/02/how-to-install-ati-radeon-hd-7700-hd-7800-driver-for-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-lts/
[19:21] <arch92> ClydeSlims official amd available graphics card your needed for linux http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux
[19:22] <ioria> ClydeSlims, what is Verde ?  lspci -k | grep VGA -A 2
[19:25] <ClydeSlims> arch92, I remember when I installed amdgpupro before and went to "Software & Updates", the graphics card driver read as "Unknown".
[19:26] <ioria> ClydeSlims, can you paste   lspci -k | grep VGA -A 2  ?
[19:27] <jan1> k
[19:27] <basil1x> My cache went mad and filled my drive.  I have deleted the offending files.  Any thoughts on stopping this happening again in another year?
[19:27] <ClydeSlims> ioria, no haha I uninstalled ubuntu 16.04. I recall someone said they removed something important from it for my graphics card.
[19:28] <ClydeSlims> Was hoping there'd be another ubuntu version I could use that best suits my card.
[19:28] <ioria> ClydeSlims, if your card is verde it is supported by radeon in xenial and above
[19:29] <ioria> ClydeSlims, but not by the AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta ... maybe you're talking about the fgrlx in trusty
[19:29] <lingos> ?
[19:29] <ClydeSlims> Not sure what you mean by verde
[19:29] <ClydeSlims> It's an AMD Radeon 7700 HD.
[19:30] <ioria> ClydeSlims, yes, usually it has also a common 'name'
[19:31] <uL4m0G> wegie, is there anyway to make my ubuntu, upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04? when I run software updater its telling me it wants to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10
[19:31] <basil1x> 7700HD is 'Southern Islands', if that helps.
[19:31] <ioria> uL4m0G, you need to go to 16.10, but if you are on xenial it's set to 'lts', so you don't get anything
[19:31] <ClydeSlims> Oh cape verde.
[19:31] <ioria> right
[19:32] <ClydeSlims> ioria, well I mean I'm just looking for a driver that will best suit my card for maximum performance. AMDGPUPro seems to be the only official driver out there for 16.04LTS, yet it shows up as "Unknown" when I install it.
[19:32] <ClydeSlims> Or I don't think it shows up at all, because I think the "unknown" driver is the one that came with ubuntu?
[19:33] <ClydeSlims> There's only 1 driver that shows up and it's that one in "Software and Updats
[19:33] <ioria> ClydeSlims, but not by the AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta ... maybe you're talking about the fgrlx in trusty
[19:33] <ClydeSlims> I was in 16.04LTS
[19:33] <ClydeSlims> Not 14
[19:34] <ioria> uL4m0G,  grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:34] <ClydeSlims> I think fgrlx isn't supported anymore
[19:34] <ioria> ClydeSlims,  in trusty, yes until 2019
[19:34] <uL4m0G> ioria, too late, i already click "upgrade" to 16.10
[19:34] <ClydeSlims> ioria, so I should install ubuntu trusty then?
[19:34] <uL4m0G> :>
[19:34] <ioria> uL4m0G,  ok :þ
[19:35] <ioria> ClydeSlims,  as i said, your card it's supported by the open sopurce driver in xenial .... but i don't know you needs
[19:36] <ClydeSlims> ioria, okay so say it's supported then. The open source driver in xenial AMD calls "AMDGPU Pro". I installed that. But the only driver that shows up in "Software & Updates" is "Unknown". Shouldn't there be two? "Unknown" and "AMD GPU Pro" ?
[19:36] <ClydeSlims> Or is it not possible to answer without running that command you asked for before
[19:37] <ioria> ClydeSlims,  what ubuntu are you on now ?
[19:37] <ClydeSlims> ioria, Windows right now. Waiting to see which ubuntu is good for me to install for my graphics card.
[19:37] <ClydeSlims> I guess trusty is the answer.
[19:38] <ioria> ClydeSlims,  i see... yes, you can try both :þ and see ...
[19:38] <ClydeSlims> ok.
[19:45] <c0mrade> I've just inserted an Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS DVD into my server and I have many installation options, one of them is Install Ubuntu Server with HWE kernel
[19:45] <c0mrade> What does that mean?
[19:45] <kostkon> !hwe
[19:45] <tehmal> Hi
[19:45] <tehmal> Cannot install Ubuntu 17.04
[19:46] <c0mrade> Okay, I still didn't get it.
[19:46] <tehmal> https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f6522c299be01bb9051aac29f9490fa03d7e46afd543308c421172a95e7c289.png
[19:46] <ioria> c0mrade, i don't rememember that option, but in xenial should mean that it will install the yakkety kernel
[19:46] <tehmal> any ideas?
[19:47] <c0mrade> So what's the difference? How would it differ to me? Why would I choose that option over the standard "Install Ubuntu Server" option?
[19:47] <ioria> c0mrade, xenial 4.4 ; yakkety 4.8
[19:47] <c0mrade> Why would ubuntu provide you that option of either installing with latest kernel or an older one?
[19:48] <ioria> c0mrade,  are you installing the server edition of xenial ?
[19:48] <c0mrade> Shouldn't you just install it right away? There's something to it...
[19:48] <c0mrade> It's Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS 64bit amd and it's the server edition.
[19:49] <ioria> c0mrade,  i'd say, stay with 4.4 ...
[19:50] <c0mrade> I don't get it though.
[19:50] <ioria> c0mrade,  you can always upgrade later
[19:50] <c0mrade> Why is there this option.
[19:50] <ioria> c0mrade,  i don't know
[19:50] <c0mrade> But why not use it straight away.
[19:50] <c0mrade> That's what am trying to know.
[19:50] <BluesKaj> tehmal:  check your installation partition
[19:51] <ioria> c0mrade, oh right 14.04.02 ...
[19:51] <tehmal> BluesKaj: is correct /dev/sda1
[19:51] <ioria> c0mrade, 14.04.02 comes with yakkety
[19:51] <tehmal> 16.05 installs correctly
[19:51] <tehmal> 04
[19:52] <ioria> c0mrade, 16.04.02, i  mean
[19:52] <marvin2> I am in some corner situation where "prog &" doesn't work, and I need "tobackground prog" equivalent. is there such a thing?
[19:52] <ioria> c0mrade, you want 16.04 not 16.04.02
[19:53] <c0mrade> I am installing 16.04.2
[19:53] <ikonia> marvin2: I think someone gave you the best answer in ##linux
[19:53] <c0mrade> I get the point now after googling...
[19:53] <c0mrade> Ubuntu will offer at least two kernels: the General Availability (GA) kernel, i.e. the most stable kernel, which does not get updated to point releases; and the Hardware Enablement (HWE) kernel, i.e. the most recent kernel released.
[19:53] <ikonia> marvin2: it's not how emacs_client works
[19:53] <c0mrade> The HWE uses a kernel version which is not the current stable one...
[19:53] <c0mrade> I'll use the normal option thanks.
[19:54] <ioria> c0mrade, 4.4 right
[19:54] <marvin2> ikonia I would prefer not to continue that discussion in here as well
[20:05] <joeelectricity> so im trying to install libssl-dev on 14.04 LTS, but am getting 404'd
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> 404, as in 'webpage not found'?
[20:06] <ikonia> the repos will 404
[20:06] <joeelectricity> mhm
[20:06] <ikonia> look at what repo you are using
[20:07] <joeelectricity> It's failing to find http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl-doc_1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.21_all.deb
[20:09] <ikonia> joeelectricity: apt-get update
[20:09] <ikonia> that package has been changed
[20:09] <ikonia> go one level up in the browser and you'll see
[20:09] <joeelectricity> doh
[20:09] <joeelectricity> thanks
[20:13] <zik> hello. i have a problem with an ubuntu installation
[20:13] <maarhart> Please help me go back to the login screen. Startx --> unity works. But I can't get to the login screen.
[20:13] <ikonia> why are you running startx
[20:13] <ikonia> it should boot the greeter when you start the machine
[20:13] <MonkeyDust> zik  let's hear it, in one line
[20:13] <zik> whenever i reboot, the speakers make a loud exploding sound
[20:13] <zik> system is Intel NUC. didnt have that problem with windows
[20:14] <zik> fresh 17.04 install
[20:14] <maarhart> ikonia: I'm not getting the greeter.
[20:14] <ikonia> maarhart: what is happening
[20:15] <maarhart> I think nothing. But I can get to the tty's. Let me reboot and check
[20:16] <maarhart> ikonia: give me a sec
[20:16] <zik> you there monkeydust?
[20:17] <SummerRain> In my desktop theres an icon called : "Reserved by the system", its a hard disk icon.
[20:17] <SummerRain> i cant remove it
[20:17] <SummerRain> how can i do it ?
[20:17] <maarhart> ikonia: Btw, I also have gdm3. But i have dpkg-reconfigured it so lightdm starts
[20:18] <maarhart> ikonia: I get all the text... e.g. mounted Mount unit for core.
[20:18] <SummerRain> no one ?
[20:19] <maarhart> ikonia: I also get "ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status :"
[20:19] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Have you tried "sudo service lightdm restart" => that should take you to tty7 (graphical) with a login screen...
[20:19] <MonkeyDust> SummerRain  repeat your question every 10 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[20:19] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: I think so,yes
[20:20] <ikonia> maarhart: look at the xorg logs
[20:20] <maarhart> Where are they?
[20:20] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: I'll assume you're trying it NOW, right?
[20:20] <maarhart> Yep.
[20:21] <SummerRain> In my desktop theres an icon called : "Reserved by the system", its a hard disk icon. i cant remove it...
[20:21] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: I just go back to that text screen with the mounted stuff and that error I mentioned
[20:21] <ikonia> maarhart: look at the xorg logs
[20:21] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Then try hitting CTRL+ALT+F7
[20:21] <ikonia> clear them down, reboot and watch how it fails to start from the greeter
[20:21] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: nothing
[20:22] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Then as ikonia just stated
[20:22] <maarhart> ikonia: where are those?
[20:22] <ikonia> maarhart: /var/log
[20:23] <maarhart> ikonia: I remove all those xorg logs and reboot?
[20:23] <SummerRain> why ubuntu wont allow for you to remove desktop icons
[20:23] <SummerRain> seriously
[20:23] <ikonia> maarhart: seems a good way to get a clear log
[20:23] <SummerRain> gonna have to format it to reinstall just because of this
[20:23] <SummerRain> pff
[20:23] <YankDownUnder> SummerRain: If the icon is called "System Reserved" - what does INTUITION tell you about that icon?
[20:24] <SummerRain> tells me that the icon came from the start menu
[20:24] <SummerRain> when i was trying to bring firefox icon instead
[20:24] <maarhart> ikonia: okay. Please hold on. I'm rebooting
[20:24] <YankDownUnder> SummerRain: So obviously you made some type of mistake.
[20:24] <SummerRain> so blame me for ubuntu not being able to remove a shortcut icon
[20:24] <SummerRain> lol
[20:24] <SummerRain> blame the user.
[20:25] <YankDownUnder> SummerRain: We all make mistakes, I'm not blaming you - however, since you're being passive/agressive about it, why don't you go and install a nice fresh version of Windows?
[20:26] <SummerRain> make me.
[20:26] <ikonia> SummerRain: please calm down
[20:26] <ikonia> we are here to help you if you can
[20:26] <SummerRain> i am calm
[20:26] <SummerRain> the fanboy is just triggered.
[20:26] <ikonia> no
[20:27] <ikonia> please stop with comments such as "fan boy"
[20:27] <ikonia> if you want a change to functionality log a bug
[20:27] <freddyP> sudo rm -rf / will remove a lot so using that syntax you can pretty much remove anything
[20:27] <ikonia> however keep in mind that the 18.04 version will drop untiy
[20:27] <ikonia> please ignore that command anyone
[20:27] <SummerRain> if you tell a user to install windows due to a critic, then you are obviously a fanboy
[20:27] <maarhart> ikonia: okay, now there are no x logs
[20:27] <ikonia> maarhart: then xorg is not set to start
[20:27] <ikonia> so I suspect your greeter is not enabled at startup
[20:28] <ikonia> SummerRain: no, thats not true but YankDownUnder's comment was also uncalled for
[20:28] <maarhart> Ikonia: just to let you know, i still get the "ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status :"
[20:29] <SummerRain> Hes just triggered cuz he never learned to use windows.
[20:29] <ikonia> maarhart: where ?
[20:29] <ikonia> SummerRain: ENOUGH now
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> ikonia: Yes, my comment was. I apologise for that. I shan't remove my "ignore", however. Too old for kiddie stuff on a Sunday morning.
[20:29] <ikonia> SummerRain: I'm pretty sure he can use windows, and I have no idea why that even matters if he could or couldn't
[20:29] <ikonia> YankDownUnder: appreciated,
[20:29] <nbastin> Does anyone know how to get 14.04 server to install using a serial console?
[20:29] <SummerRain> kiddie stuff. yeah right.
[20:29] <nbastin> I hacked up isolinux, but apparently insufficiently
[20:30] <maarhart> ikonia: in the screen with the [    OK     ] lines
[20:30] <bekks> nbastin: Like this?: http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=E25612E9-84F0-4DCF-A876-1E92FD1D065C
[20:30] <ikonia> maarhart: I'd need more context, but from what you've said xorg isn't starting at all, which suggests to me your greeter isn't set to start at start up
[20:30] <nbastin> bekks: except that I have an iso, not a syslinux unetbootin image
[20:30] <SummerRain> Going to leave, obviously this chat is filled with wannabe trolls. Internet warriors who have no life. If you are so stressed in a sunday, your lfie must SUCK
[20:30] <SummerRain> CYA
[20:30] <maarhart> Ikonia: is there any way I can send you a picture?
[20:30] <SummerRain> ban me if u want
[20:30] <SummerRain> dont care
[20:31] <ikonia> maarhart: use an image bin
[20:31] <shabaan> i need serial code for pixeluvo, i have installed but its not active
[20:31] <zigford> System Reserved may be a mounted volume from a previous windows install which is why it can't be removed.
[20:31] <blackbird1> Hi
[20:31] <bekks> nbastin: well, that howro starts with an ISO as well.
[20:31] <nbastin> bekks: so I don't have syslinux.cfg, for one...I get to the stage where it tries to load the bootlogo from isolinux
[20:31] <geirha> zigford: too late, he rage quit
[20:32] <maarhart> Ikonia https://imagebin.ca/v/3JC1FV7BTkQz
[20:32] <nbastin> bekks: sure, but it makes a live usb stick, which I can't feed to the machine
[20:33] <blackbird1> I installed opencv 3.2.0, but when I execute a python script i got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24389546/
[20:33] <nbastin> bekks: http://www.fantaghost.com/ubuntu-server-10-10-headless-installation-via-serial-console is similar to what I did, just with an old version - I'm wondering if there are new problems because 14.04 started trying to use the framebuffer console
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: So that is the screen you're currently staring at, yes?
[20:33] <ikonia> maarhart: thats a disk being slow/failing ot mount
[20:33] <ikonia> nbastin: that depended on the non-graphical installer
[20:33] <ikonia> nbastin: thats no longer available
[20:33] <maarhart> ikonia: Context is: upgraded to ubuntu 17.04. Installed gnome 3 based on the link provided here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-17-04, then tried logging to gnome on wayland. Nothing happened so I rebooted.
[20:34] <nbastin> ikonia: hrm?  I mean we install non-graphical all the time
[20:34] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: indeed
[20:34] <nbastin> ikonia: curses, but not...vga
[20:34] <ikonia> nbastin: how the alternative CD is no longer available with curses based installer,
[20:34] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: As ikonia stated...
[20:35] <maarhart> ikonia: just one disk. It's a laptop
[20:35] <nbastin> ikonia: I'm confused, I installed 14.04 earlier with the curses installer
[20:35] <nbastin> although perhaps the boot screen was not curses-based...hrmph
[20:35] <nbastin> but the actual install was
[20:36] <maarhart> ikonia: any suggestions?
[20:36] <nbastin> ikonia: so you're saying there's basically no way to install server without video?
[20:36] <ikonia> nbastin:you can use the unattended install
[20:37] <ikonia> nbastin: I'd be interested in how you launched the curses based install
[20:37] <nbastin> ikonia: ugh, I can't, because I can't guess the device names
[20:37] <nbastin> ikonia: this is all so I can write a preseed file..
[20:37] <ikonia> yeah preseed should work
[20:37] <maarhart> ikonia: ?
[20:37] <nbastin> ikonia: but it won't if you don't know the disk device names
[20:37] <blackbird1> any help please
[20:37] <nbastin> ikonia: which is why I was trying to start a serial installer so I could look
[20:38] <arch92> what's going in, blackbird1?
[20:38] <maarhart> ikonia: I still see the same thing. But I can go to a tty
[20:40] <blackbird1> arch92, I installed opencv 3.2.0, but when I execute a python script i got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24389546/
[20:40] <ikonia> maarhart: what did I stell you to do
[20:40] <maarhart> ikonia: you just said: 23:33 ikonia: maarhart: thats a disk being slow/failing ot mount
[20:41] <ikonia> oops
[20:41] <baye> salut
[20:41] <ikonia> maarhart: sorry, I didn't mean to kick you
[20:41] <hvsk> hello all
[20:41] <ikonia> maarhart: totally my fault,
[20:41] <maarhart> Np
[20:42] <ikonia> maarhart: I hit an up arrow with my finger while typing you name, really sorry, my fault
[20:42] <baye> quelqu'un parle le français ici?
[20:42] <maarhart> ikonia: no problem
[20:42] <ikonia> maarhart: thank you
[20:42] <ikonia> !fr | baye
[20:43] <maarhart> ikonia: in any case, the last thing you told me about my issue is: 23:40 maarhart: ikonia: you just said: 23:33 ikonia: maarhart: thats a disk being slow/failing ot mount
[20:43] <maarhart> Oops sorry. I pasted more than needed
[20:43] <ikonia> maarhart: I told you about the xorg problem
[20:44] <ikonia> I've not looked at your disk problem
[20:44] <maarhart> ikonia: right. So back to the xorg problem.
[20:45] <maarhart> So there is no x log yet
[20:45] <Somelauw> In nautilus (or at least the default file browser), how can I add folders to that sidebar on the left?
[20:45] <ikonia> right, and I've told you why maarhart
[20:45] <ikonia> (or at least why I think why)
[20:46] <Somelauw> I would expect to drag the folder there, but that doesn't work? Otherwise I would at least like to make a bookmark to that folder.
[20:46] <maarhart> ikonia: Right, because x is not called. But I wouldn't know how to proceed
[20:47] <maarhart> ikonia: sorry if that is not what you said or meant
[20:49] <maarhart> ikonia: Should I run startx to get a log? Or should I somehow try to ensure that x is set to run upon boot?
[20:50] <blackbird1> I installed opencv 3.2.0, but when I execute a python script i got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24389546/
[20:51] <Somelauw> Hmm, nautilus seems a bit limited. I couldn't find a graphical way to create a symlink. Even windows makes that easy.
[20:51] <Somelauw> nvm, I found the option, it's create link
[20:51] <urotkoy> hi, can anyone help me out with mounting, i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong
[20:52] <urotkoy> i have an ext4 partition on /dev/vdb1
[20:52] <fadavi> hello there. i've many errors in journalctl :( please help me to solve them. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24389616/
[20:52] <urotkoy> i can't seem to mount it and write to it
[20:52] <nbastin> oh good the debian installer still works
[20:53] <ikonia> maarhart: the greeter is not set to start at boot most likley
[20:54] <maarhart> ikonia: do you know how to set it?
[20:54] <maarhart> ikonia: FYI I do see the ubuntu logo
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> ni
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> aaaa
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> asdasdas
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> adasda
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> qwdqwd
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> c
[20:56] <urotkoy> can anyone help?
[20:56] <bekks> urotkoy: So how do you try to mount it?
[20:57] <jney> hi
[20:57] <urotkoy> i tried both with xfce's file manager and in the terminal with: sudo mount /dev/vdb1 /home/user/Data
[20:57] <RBoreal_Frippery> How can you autocomplete the location bar in nautilus? For example, you do CTRL+L to type, and then do ~/.con
[20:57] <RBoreal_Frippery> pressing TAB in terminal will complete this to ~/.conf
[20:57] <bekks> urotkoy: and whats the output of that sudo command?
[20:57] <RBoreal_Frippery> how can you get this functionality there?
[20:57] <urotkoy> nothing, it seems to be mounted but i can't write there
[20:57] <arch92> blackbird1, would you tell me version of python are using?
[20:58] <bekks> urotkoy: so whats the output of "mount" now?
[20:58] <blackbird1> arch92, Python 2.7.12
[20:58] <jney> since ubuntu 16.10 i've got a problem with  my backlight which randomly changes. is it the good place to ask support for this ?
[20:59] <urotkoy> there is no output, bekks
[20:59] <blackbird1> arch92, when I user python 3, it becomes worst
[20:59] <maarhart> ikonia: lightdm.log is all the time being updated: https://imagebin.ca/v/3JC9I74Y9pV8
[20:59] <blackbird1> use*
[20:59] <arch92> blackbird1, try installing libopencv-contrib-dev and libopencv-dev
[20:59] <urotkoy> it asks for a password, i write it and it's done, no output
[20:59] <bekks> urotkoy: so pastebin the output of "dmesg" plase, and provide the URL here.
[21:00] <arch92> maybe it can help you to fix your problem
[21:00] <ikonia> maarhart: look inthe xsession logs then
[21:00] <ikonia> it says in that output thats where it's writing to
[21:01] <blackbird1> arch92, libopencv-contrib-dev is already the newest version (2.4.9.1+dfsg-1.5ubuntu1).
[21:01] <arch92> and libopencv-dev are installed too?
[21:01] <blackbird1> arch92, libopencv-dev is already the newest version (2.4.9.1+dfsg-1.5ubuntu1).
[21:01] <urotkoy> bekks: https://pastebin.com/hdQUjsJi
[21:02] <bekks> urotkoy: As you can see, its perfectly mounted, you just dont have permissions on that mountpoint since it is owned by root.
[21:02] <urotkoy> uhm, the place where i mounted it
[21:02] <bekks> urotkoy: Correct.
[21:02] <urotkoy> is in my regular user's home directory
[21:02] <arch92> blackbird1, try following this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19164343/opencv-libopencv-core-so-2-4-cannot-open-shared-object-file-no-such-file-or
[21:02] <bekks> urotkoy: which doesnt mean you have user permissions on the drive mounted.
[21:02] <gredjok> once somebody here suggested a pdf editor with no gui, it has to be started from the shell. It allows to increase/decrease/trim pdf files. Not page by page, but bulk (for 300 pages, for example) I forgot its name.
[21:03] <bekks> urotkoy: check with ls -lha
[21:03] <urotkoy> oh right, it says root root for that folder
[21:03] <blackbird1> arch92, the file "/etc/ld.so.conf.d/opencv.conf" doesn't exist
[21:03] <maarhart> ikonia: https://imagebin.ca/v/3JCAp1l42j2k
[21:04] <arch92> give a second
[21:05] <urotkoy> bekks: when i unmount the rights to that folder are back to my user
[21:05] <urotkoy> what do i need to do
[21:06] <ikonia> maarhart: look at the time stamp on that file, is it current
[21:06] <ikonia> maarhart: I need you to start actually thinking about the process you are doing and not just posting screen shots
[21:06] <maarhart> Not really.
[21:06] <bekks> urotkoy: you need to mount it, and grant permissions on tha folder and all subfolders.
[21:06] <urotkoy> with chown?
[21:06] <maarhart> ikonia: I know, but I haven't been rebooting in a long time
[21:07] <ikonia> maarhart: so if those logs are out of date, they mean nothing
[21:07] <bekks> urotkoy: Is that an empty drive? Or is it a full blown install from another system?
[21:07] <maarhart> ikonia: in any case I'm clueless.
[21:07] <urotkoy> yes
[21:07] <urotkoy> just created it with gparted
[21:07] <bekks> urotkoy: then you can use sudo chown
[21:08] <maarhart> ikonia: I wished there was a way to start the greeter, change to unity, reboot.
[21:08] <ikonia> maarhart: ?
[21:08] <ikonia> maarhart: the greeter is not starting....
[21:08] <maarhart> ikonia: but maybe that doesn't help
[21:08] <ikonia> maarhart: you need to look at the logs to see it trying to start and understand what's stopping it completing
[21:08] <ikonia> looking at old logs don't help, so clear them down to remove confusion
[21:09] <maarhart> ikonia: does running startx help here?
[21:09] <maarhart> ikonia: or x or xinit
[21:10] <ikonia> maarhart: no
[21:10] <ikonia> it confuses things and adds no value
[21:10] <maarhart> ikonia: okay, I will reboot and see if there is any .xsession-errors
[21:11] <maarhart> ikonia: by the way, is it correct to look for the xsession errors in my home folder?
[21:11] <arch92> blackbird1, I don't have idea about this, but you can read on github https://gist.github.com/dynamicguy/3d1fce8dae65e765f7c4 and https://github.com/opencv/opencv_contrib
[21:11] <arch92> I'm sorry
[21:12] <ikonia> maarhart: yes, as it should be your session afte you login
[21:12] <ikonia> maarhart: it's possible it's trying to start and auto login
[21:12] <maarhart> ikonia: thanks for making me think.
[21:12] <rx-determine> hello
[21:12] <blackbird1> arch92: Thanks for help :)
[21:13] <maarhart> ikonia: not sure if I followed you with your last comment
[21:13] <ikonia> just work it through if you're not sure
[21:13] <arch92> yep
[21:14] <sinthetek> i'm experiencing an issue with my audio in 16.10/17.04
[21:14] <maarhart> Okay now I get in the [   OK   ] screen "ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status : executable binary formats"
[21:15] <sinthetek> my system appears to pseudo-randomly make a tapping noise for no apparent reason since upgrading from 16.04 this morning
[21:16] <rx-determine> is that normal or hacking activitys
[21:16] <maarhart> ikonia: ok. After rebooting I don't have xsession nor xorg error logs.
[21:16] <fadavi> hello there. i've many errors in journalctl :( please help me to solve them. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24389616/
[21:16] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: When you're seeing that screen, have you tried hitting CTRL+ALT+F7 to see if you get a graphical login ---> have you tried that yet?
[21:16] <ikonia> maarhart: ok, so that suggests its not even trying to start as I said at the very beginning
[21:16] <ikonia> maarhart: so enable the greeter to be a boot time start up
[21:18] <sinthetek> as soon as rebooted for 16.04->16.10 upgrade, the noise started at the login screen. i immediate updated repos and began the 17.04 upgrade but the sound persists after the next update. it is emitted both through internal sound and through hdmi when I set it as primary output. anyone know of this issue?
[21:18] <maarhart> ikonia: and how do you enable it? I can also start googling about it. Unfortunately I'm using a phone at the moment
[21:19] <ikonia> maarhart: you need the service name and just use systemctl enable $service_name
[21:19] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: yes. CTRL ALT F7 shows me the screen with the [   OK   ] lines.
[21:20] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: So then CTRL ALT F1 is your tty1 login, yes?
[21:20] <arch92> blackbird1, I found this http://docs.opencv.org/trunk/d7/d9f/tutorial_linux_install.html
[21:20] <pvl1> hey everyone, it seems as tho dhclient stopped setting a default gate, but does set a route. what is the difference between dhclient and dhclient-script? and how can i set the latter to be the default
[21:20] <Annoyverklone> ubuntu-indonesia
[21:21] <maarhart> ikonia: the service would be unity-greeter?
[21:21] <ikonia> maarhart: come on - I just said "YOU" need to find it out
[21:21] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: indeed
[21:21] <blackbird1> arch92, I'm on it :) thanks a lot
[21:21] <ikonia> maarhart: if I had it to hand I'd have given it you
[21:21] <arch92> blackbird1, ok :)
[21:21] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Login to that...and what happens when you run: sudo service lightdm start
[21:21] <maarhart> ikonia: I was just checking before making mistakes :P
[21:25] <maarhart> ikonia: Okay. I don't know what is the name of the greeter service and google didn't help. Trying YankDownUnder's suggestion
[21:26] <ikonia> systemctl list-unit-fils type=service
[21:26] <ikonia> look it up
[21:26] <ikonia> maarhart: you need to google for the right questions
[21:26] <ikonia> eg: how to list systemd files
[21:26] <ikonia> not "what is the name of the lightdm greeter service"
[21:26] <maarhart> You got me ikonia
[21:26] <FManTX> is systemd used in 16.04?
[21:27] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: There's also : sudo systemctl start multi-user.target
[21:27] <ikonia> FManTX: yes
[21:27] <ikonia> YankDownUnder: won't work if it's not enabled for multi-user
[21:27] <ikonia> which reading about how dpkg-configure works, it may not have linked it
[21:27] <gredjok> I downloaded and installed krop from http://arminstraub.com/downloads/krop/krop_0.4.12-1_all.deb. I saved the file to my home dir. I clicked on it to install. It installed. Are these 2 assumptions correct? 1. krop was automatically installed in the directory where all other deb files are installed. 2. I no longer need to keep the .deb file and if krop releases an update it will be downloaded automatically.
[21:27] <ikonia> gredjok: we don't know where it was installed
[21:28] <ikonia> gredjok: thats up to the person who packages it
[21:28] <gredjok> ikonia, a , ok
[21:28] <maarhart> ikonia: 0 unit files listed.
[21:28] <EriC^^> gredjok: if it created a .list in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ it'll update itself with apt
[21:29] <ikonia> maarhart: that seems unlikely
[21:29] <EriC^^> (usually)
[21:29] <EriC^^> *sources.list.d
[21:29] <Sparrow_> gredjok, no to both questions
[21:30] <maarhart> ikonia: but that's what I get from sudo systemctl list-unit-files type=service
[21:31] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: none of those suggestions helped, unfortunately. Everything remains the same. No errors, nothing.
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Just for a bit of "history" about this issue - was this system configured - at any point in time - to be a single user system - or, please tell - how did it come about that you were using "startx"?
[21:33] <Oerheks> maybe this is the correct command > sudo systemctl list-units --type=service
[21:33] <Oerheks> this :  sudo systemctl list-unit-files type=service  # give me 0 files too
[21:35] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: nope. I was using startx because it wasn't launching the login manager
[21:35] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: And this is all from a fresh installation?
[21:36] <EriC^^> maarhart: did you try manually starting the login manager or checking the logs in /var/log ?
[21:38] <maarhart> I'll answer the questions in a second. Could anyone kindly confirm that lightdm.conf should look like this https://imagebin.ca/v/3JCKiDvPdsPN ?
[21:39] <EriC^^> maarhart: that looks ok, it says to auto-login your user
[21:39] <AceKing> Hi everyone. I did a fresh install of 17.04 64 bit on my PC yesterday. I have two ethernet ports. One to connect to the internet, the other is a shared port. I cannot get the shared port to connect. I've been trying since yesterday but can't figure it out.
[21:39] <EriC^^> maarhart: try sudo systemctl start lightdm
[21:39] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: as I said before, I upgraded to 17.04, then installed gnome 3.24 based on this link http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-17-04 and then tried unsuccessfully to login using gnome on wayland
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> ...or "sudo service lightdm start"
[21:39] <gredjok> when is 17.04 gonna be released?
[21:39] <iresf> hello
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Right oh.
[21:40] <dax> gredjok: already released
[21:40] <maarhart> Eric: which logs exactly?
[21:40] <EriC^^> maarhart: /var/log/lightdm/*
[21:40] <iresf> i changed localhost ip in hosts file to my local ip 192.168.0.100   and  in phpstorm i want to connect to  DB but  it failed because of localhost 's ip  any sulotion ?
[21:41] <maarhart> EriC^^: your systemctl suggestion didn't work. It doesn't throw errors either
[21:42] <EriC^^> maarhart: try systemctl status lightdm
[21:43] <Oerheks> look at the owner of .Xauthority, is it owned by root?
[21:43] <maarhart> EriC^^: its active and running
[21:43] <EriC^^> try Oerheks ' suggestion
[21:44] <maarhart> I own it. It's -rw--------------
[21:44] <EriC^^> maarhart: let's establish if lightdm can run, try sudo nano .../lightdm.conf and remove your username next to autologin
[21:44] <Oerheks> oke mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.bak   # and hit ctrl alt F7 again :-)
[21:45] <Oerheks> no you don't own it.
[21:45] <maarhart> Okay which one should I try first?
[21:46] <maarhart> EriC^^ or Oerheks ?
[21:46] <maarhart> I'll go with Oerheks
[21:46] <ramrebol> Hola. Alguien sabe como grabar una pelicula que esta en un dvd a un pedrive para verla en una tv?
[21:47] <EriC^^> !es | ramrebol
[21:47] <maarhart> Oerheks: nothing regarding your suggestion
[21:48] <ramrebol> ubottu: thanks, I thought that I was in a spanish channel :X
[21:48] <maarhart> EriC^^: should I remove my username next to autologin-user ?
[21:48] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Yes...
[21:49] <maarhart> And then reboot or restart the service?
[21:49] <ramrebol> Hello. Somebady knows how to burn a movie from a dvd to usb memory for watch the movie in a tv?
[21:49] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Just restart the service
[21:49] <AceKing> Can someone help me to get a shared wired connection to work? I created a shared connection but it does not connect
[21:49] <maarhart> It worked :)
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Good. You're buying the donuts this morning.
[21:50] <maarhart> EriC^^: now I'm in the greeter :)
[21:50] <Sparrow_> ramrebol, usb tool in menu
[21:50] <maarhart> Donuts and beer. Depends on your time zone
[21:51] <maarhart> EriC^^: Is this it?
[21:51] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: I don't drink alcohol, so you can buy the donuts - non-meat, vegetarian and vegan. Yep. :)
[21:51] <Sparrow_> ramrebol, usb image writer tool in menu
[21:52] <maarhart> YankDownUnder: I'll learn how to make ascii donuts. Then get banned from here
[21:52] <nomic> O
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Good on ya! :)
[21:52] <nomic> ^ ascii donut
[21:53] <nomic> o <- smaller one
[21:53] <ramrebol> thanks Sparrow_ . I'm searching how to use now
[21:53] <nomic> 0 <- one with fat outside
[21:54] <l33n> pm2 list does nothing but print a new line
[21:55] <maarhart> Okay I'm trying rebooting.
[21:57] <maarhart> Thanks guys. My wife won't kill me for screwing up her laptop. She might kill me because she only knows how to use unity. But she has to get used to it anyway
[21:57] <gogeta> maarhart, unity is dead
[21:57] <rp2> dead?
[21:57] <maarhart> I mean to gnome 3. Anyway she just uses firefox
[21:57] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Women *always* find a reason - whether one exists or not. Buy her a donut.
[21:57] <gogeta> gnome 3 next relese
[21:58] <rp2> there's plenty of choice on Ubuntu. I've always hated Gnome but there's plenty more
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> Gnome = "Gee! No Me!" (I've used that since the demise of 1.4.8) hehehehehe
[21:58] <maarhart> I'm afraid of screwing everything up again if I choose gnome on wayland. Any reason for this not working?
[21:59] <rp2> I haven't tried Wayland
[21:59] <FManTX> try xfce
[21:59] <rp2> or LXDE
[22:00] <YankDownUnder> or WindowMaker
[22:00] <maarhart> And why does the battery icon looks so bad in gnome 3?
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> maarhart: Just find a nice Gnome3 icon set/theme that makes the missus happy...easy done, end of story. :)
[22:01] <gogeta> well linux is all about choice
[22:02] <gogeta> gnome 3 has inproved sense its early days now very custmisable
[22:02] <maarhart> I mean, it looks ugly. Glitchy
[22:02] <maarhart> I'm sure it shouldn't look like that
[22:03] <gogeta> you can change its look now and now its relly not glitchy
[22:03] <maarhart> Okay then something is not working as it should
[22:03] <gogeta> before you could not change anything and thats what enraged the linux communty
[22:03] <gogeta> ?
[22:04] <YankDownUnder> gogeta: Yeah...like in 1992/3...
[22:05] <gogeta> https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/135/ord/top/
[22:05] <gogeta> plenty of themes you can change to
[22:06] <FManTX> browse those cats
[22:06] <YankDownUnder> CATS? Someone's being mean to cats?????
[22:06] <gogeta> gtk3 is gnome 3
[22:07] <gogeta> you can make it looks like osx even unity
[22:07] <gogeta> or anything else
[22:07] <YankDownUnder> OSX = macOS - ahem...
[22:08] <YankDownUnder> The ultimate paradox - getting rid of Unity for Gnome3 and then turning Gnome3 into a "Unity look-alike" ....erf...
[22:09] <gogeta> i relly food linux theme is newmix
[22:09] <gogeta> good
[22:09] <maarhart> Okay. I was using the ubuntu icons in gnome 3. That's why it sucked
[22:09] <gogeta> even a ppa for that one
[22:09] <YankDownUnder> "Food" theme? Hmm...have to suss that out...
[22:09] <guvn0r> o gawd
[22:10] <gogeta> the newmix theme
[22:10] <gogeta> te one they use in manjaro
[22:10] <gogeta> numix
[22:11] <gogeta> https://itsfoss.com/install-switch-themes-gnome-shell/
[22:11] <gogeta> hear is a nice guide
[22:11] <gogeta> and even some apps to make it easy
[22:12] <yesimon> I did a fresh reinstall of 17.04 to resolve some issues yesterday. Installed playonlinux and osu which spew out a few errors, and now my nautilus shows a moveable black screen kinda like wine's desktop?
[22:12] <yesimon> Not sure what to do
[22:13] <gogeta> well playon should noot brake thing
[22:13] <YankDownUnder> yesimon: And you've asked in #playonlinux for resolutions to the issue or tips on what it could be? (sounds "graphics" related)
[22:13] <gogeta> things
[22:13] <yesimon> Actually it fixed itself...
[22:13] <yesimon> But it was really quite bizarre
[22:13] <gogeta> sounds like osu did something
[22:14] <yesimon> Yeah I removed all playonlinux virtual drives
[22:14] <gogeta> yea playon is self contaned wine i bet your wine app crashed but wine was still running
[22:15] <yesimon> I tried looking for wine in ps aux didn't find anything
[22:15] <yesimon> Can it be named anything else?
[22:15] <gogeta> du ps -A
[22:15] <gogeta> do
[22:15] <yesimon> Actually I'm going to try this again to see if it's reproducible
[22:15] <gogeta> list everything
[22:16] <gogeta> sudo ps -A
[22:16] <gogeta> will list every prosses running
[22:16] <yesimon> Yes what am I looking for?
[22:16] <gogeta> anything with wine
[22:17] <yesimon> Nothing
[22:17] <gogeta> well you said its fixed now
[22:17] <yesimon> It's fixed now - will retry this process
[22:17] <gogeta> it probly closed
[22:17] <maarhart> What are the original fonts and sizes of gnome 3?
[22:17] <gogeta> sometimes wine is smart enough to see it crashed and kill itself sometimes now
[22:18] <maarhart> I'm not going to use ubuntu fonts...
[22:18] <gogeta> not
[22:26] <denis> hello
[22:26] <gogeta> lol
[22:26] <yesimon> Reinstalled - fewer errors this time and didn't mess up nautilus :)
[22:27] <Guest35981> heyo
[22:27] <Guest35981> Is anybody here
[22:27] <Guest35981> ?
[22:28] <gogeta> i see 1795 so yea people are hear lol
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> The question is actually "relative".
[22:29] <gogeta> lol
[22:30] <gogeta> returned to hibernation
[22:30] <gogeta> lol
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> Since a question wasn't asked, I shall return to morning coffee and a fresh cigarette. Very entertaining that.
[23:01] <laserbeak4445> Hi
[23:01] <laserbeak4445> I need help guys!
[23:02] <laserbeak4445> I'm having a OpenVPN DNS Leaks issue with the new default systemd-resolved in 17.04
[23:02] <laserbeak4445> Is there way to make 17.04 resolve DNS the way it was done on 16.10?
[23:06] <Moude> hello
[23:24] <edgy1> Is it at all possible to get precise repositories working on ubuntu Edgy Eft?
[23:24] <gogeta> umm no
[23:24] <gogeta> not without blowing up your system
[23:24] <edgy1> >:C
[23:25] <edgy1> edgy repositories went away
[23:25] <edgy1> are they archived anywhere?
[23:25] <gogeta> upgrade??
[23:25] <edgy1> no, i want to keep edgy
[23:25] <Bashing-om> !edgy | edgy1
[23:25] <gogeta> any reasion
[23:25] <edgy1> if the edgy repos are archived anywhere id like to know where they are
[23:26] <glitchd> how can i create a rar file from and iso and have it split in 100mb parts?
[23:26] <glitchd> *an
[23:26] <edgy1> gogeta: because why not, that's why!
[23:27] <gogeta> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:27] <gogeta> edgy1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[23:27] <gogeta> also shows you how to enable the legicy repo
[23:28] <edgy1> thank you gogeta
[23:28] <gogeta> edgy1, but why stay on old uncecure linux
[23:29] <edgy1> because i want to
[23:29] <edgy1> i have xenial on another laptop :)
[23:29] <edgy1> i like edgy
[23:29] <gogeta> oof its becouse of gnome 2 check out ubuntu mate
[23:29] <gogeta> if
[23:29] <gogeta> the fork of gnome 2
[23:30] <marvin2> using plain ubuntu 16.04. how can I let window manager allow emacs to handle M-F4 rather than handling it itself?
[23:31] <edgy1> gogeta: 1. it is NOT bcause of the DE. 2: i HATE mate because it is very slow an dlags. but thank you for helping :)
[23:31] <edgy1> btw gaim internet messenger is quite the IRC client :P
[23:32] <implite> i use hexchat
[23:32] <gogeta> edgy1, the slowness isnt mate its 16.04 slow mesa stack you can fix it with the oibf drivers
[23:32] <edgy1> litterally everything is slow and crashy, and it will never be as stable as authentic gnome 2. also I like edgyyyyyyyy :D
[23:33] <gogeta> edgy1, i thought that to unledd i put oibf on the netbook
[23:33] <gogeta> untill
[23:33] <edgy1> hmm
[23:33] <edgy1> i like unity for new computers though :)
[23:33] <edgy1> or else gnome 3
[23:34] <kerash> I like the gsetting interface for gnome
[23:34] <gogeta> edgy1, now its nearly as fast as a arch setup :)
[23:35] <ramrebol> to write a movie in a pendrive (for whats in a tv), its enogh to write the iso in the pendrive, or I need to burn otherwise (like the iso of ubuntu)?
[23:35] <gogeta> edgy1, the bottleneck in 16.04 is a very slow 2d/3d mesa stack
[23:35] <edgy1> yeah got it working :) thanks
[23:37] <gogeta> edgy1, oibs is like adding a turbo to 16.04 lol if your using open drivers
[23:37] <gogeta> oibf
[23:37] <gogeta> edgy1, https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[23:38] <edgy1> so oibs would speed up my unity too?
[23:38] <gogeta> edgy1, if your using 16.04 and open drivers yes
[23:38] <gogeta> and 16.10
[23:38] <edgy1> is it on the xenial repositories?
[23:39] <gogeta> edgy1, that link has a ppa for xenial
[23:39] <gogeta> edgy1, you dont need the wine bits of course
[23:40] <gogeta> edgy1, just add the paa and run a upgrade
[23:40] <edgy1> oh ok
[23:40] <gogeta> edgy1, it will add the newer unbroken mesa stack
[23:41] <gogeta> edgy1, then reboot enjoy the fixed drivers
[23:41] <tgm4883> edgy1: to be clear, you aren't installing anything called oibaf. You're installing updated packages that were created by a third party named oibaf
[23:41] <edgy1> oh,,,,,,
[23:41] <edgy1> hmm
[23:41] <gogeta> edgy1, yes its just updated and optmised mesa
[23:41] <dax> which, notably, are not officially supported here
[23:43] <gogeta> well anything you add is unsupprted but trust me it makes all the diffrence
[23:43] <edgy1> **all the difference between edgy and xenial**
[23:43] <edgy1> hahaha
[23:43] <gogeta> yea
[23:44] <mears11> hey, I upgraded a machine from Ubuntu Server 16.10 to 17.04 this morning and am having some boot issues.  Every time I boot, I keep getting disk timeouts that look like:
[23:44] <mears11> Apr 15 17:34:57 nfs-master systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2duuid-9e7e6bcc\x2d6620\x2d4625\x2dabca\x2da45ebffd4e15.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-9e7e6bcc\x2d6620\x2d4625\x
[23:44] <mears11> Apr 15 17:34:57 nfs-master systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-9e7e6bcc\x2d6620\x2d4625\x2dabca\x2da45ebffd4e15.device.
[23:45] <mears11> -- Unit dev-disk-by\x2duuid-9e7e6bcc\x2d6620\x2d4625\x2dabca\x2da45ebffd4e15.device has failed.
[23:47] <gogeta> edgy1, all you need is the basic usbage bit
[23:47] <edgy1> oh hi finetundra
[23:47] <gogeta> usage
[23:47] <mears11> At that point, I’ll be prompted to go into emergency mode or can press ctrl-d to continue booting.  If I do the latter, everything starts up fine.  I also have no issue booting into “run level 3”.  I’ve tried changing the order of mounts in /etc/fstab.  Previously, I was getting the error with /dev/mapper entries, so I switched to UUIDs, but it didn’t help
[23:48] <Finetundra> Hello edgy1
[23:48] <gogeta> edgy1, becouse i installed ubuntu mate on my netbook very slow to do anythig updated the mesa stack snappy as hell :)
[23:48] <edgy1> Finetundra: whatcha doing in here?
[23:48]  * Finetundra shrugs
[23:49] <Finetundra> I just loaded up an old OS install and the client autoconnected at startup
[23:49] <edgy1> ah
[23:49]  * edgy1 pm's finetundra
[23:52] <gogeta> edgy1, but if your hardware is just relly old you can try out stuff like puppy dsl and tinycore
[23:53] <edgy1> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
[23:53] <gogeta> lol
[23:53] <edgy1> i HATE pupy linux
[23:53] <edgy1> AND tinycore
[23:53] <gogeta> lol
[23:53] <bazhang> edgy1, what support issue did you have
[23:53] <gogeta> we fixed it :)
[23:53] <gogeta> he nedded legicy repos
[23:53] <edgy1> bazhang: repository issue
[23:53] <bazhang> lets take chatter to another place
[23:54] <edgy1> ok, ill join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:59] <fre54321> uh bazhang, what again was the offtopic chanel again? i forgot