[01:29] <ali1234> 4.8 is a weird choice
[04:20] <Maurits> I want to change the color of the windows (default is black) in mate, but don't know how to do this
[06:37] <chen_> hello
[07:47] <danboid> I spent all last night installing UM 17.04 on a friends laptop but it failed right at the end and didn't boot - GRUB doesn't show
[07:48] <danboid> There was a vague error right at the end was something like "Some packages failed to install or be removed. Install can continue but you will have to re-install these later" something like that
[07:49] <danboid> It didn't say which packages
[07:50] <danboid> It was a UEFI laptop running Win 10. I disabled secure boot first and I chose to install it alongside Windows 10 bootloader
[07:50] <danboid> Is a UEFI laptop
[07:51] <danboid> Anyone else had a similar problem?
[07:52] <danboid> I was watching the console as it insalled and it looked like GRUB installed without error but there was no trac of a GRUB boot meu after install
[07:52] <danboid> If if manually install a bootloader, I expect it will boot but thats not the point of th installer
[07:54] <danboid> I think this is the first time I've trie setting up dul boot with Win10 where w10 was already installed. This should work, right?
[07:55] <danboid> I manually resized the Windows partition to make way for a (XFS) Linux partition. Maybe it was me choosing XFS that caused it to fail?
[07:56] <danboid> Maybe ext4 would've worked?
[07:58] <alkisg> I'm not sure if grub supports xfs or not,
[07:58] <alkisg> but since this issue isn't related to the desktop environment that you're using, you could ask in #ubuntu where there are more users
[07:58] <alkisg> You can boot with a live cd and fix grub; if it boots after than, then xfs shouldn't have been an issue
[07:59] <alkisg> *that
[08:00] <danboid> alkisg, Do you think a `sudo grub-install /dev/sda` or whatever will do it?
[08:00] <danboid> alkisg, GRUB does defo. support XFS, I've used it for years
[08:02] <danboid> There may be a bug in the installer that fluffs the GRUN install if you use XFS root on UEFI?
[08:03] <danboid> or maybe not as GRUB SEEMED to install without error, but evidence says otherwise
[08:03] <alkisg> danboid: the proper way to answer that would be to pause when you saw the installer errors, and then report them, attach them etc
[08:03] <alkisg> Now just making speculations won't help much in solving the underlying bug
[08:04] <danboid> I should also mention I saw 1000's of the same error/warning during install, something about memory
[08:04] <alkisg> Now, booting with a live cd and running grub-install or chroot'ing to the installation and dpkg-reconfiguring should help, yes
[08:04] <alkisg> If you have hardware issues, that would also explain errors :)
[08:04] <alkisg> Try running a memtest as well
[08:05] <danboid> When I say memory error, it was unlike any I've seen
[08:05] <danboid> It looked like it could be a 'feature'
[08:05] <alkisg> Precise messages help
[08:05] <danboid> "balancing memory"?
[08:05] <danboid> I can't remeber the eact wording
[08:05] <alkisg> So, now you need to actually start doing things, and report them as you see them
[08:05] <alkisg> OK; what's done is done
[08:06] <alkisg> You can either retry installing, or try to salvage the existing one
[08:06] <CrazyLemon> hey guys.. i'm trying to find out where do you guys have installer strings for translations
[08:06] <danboid> but it showed it after synaptic/dpkg or whatever 'installed' every package
[08:06] <alkisg> But there's no point in talking about what you remember happened
[08:06] <CrazyLemon> i can't find it on transifex
[08:07] <alkisg> CrazyLemon: by installer, you mean ubiquity, and not ubuntu welcome?
[08:07] <alkisg> Ubiquity is not specific to ubuntu mate, so I would expect it not to use transifex but launchpad
[08:07] <CrazyLemon> alkisg hmm.. thats a good point! thanks :)
[08:07] <alkisg> np
[08:08] <CrazyLemon> good point..but no luck :( ubiquity strings are translated
[08:08] <CrazyLemon> http://shrani.si/f/1T/133/3IdvdCrK/priprava-na-namestitev.png i'm looking for english strings in this screenshot
[08:08] <alkisg> CrazyLemon: can you post a screenshot of what you see that's untranslated?
[08:09] <alkisg> This is not specific to mate
[08:09] <danboid> The "memory error" was ubiquity "balancing RAM" or something, after installing almost evety package. Ring any bells? I've never seen 'buntu do that
[08:09] <alkisg> Are you talking about the mp3 line?
[08:09] <alkisg> Eh sorry the "This software..." line?
[08:09] <CrazyLemon> alkisg yea.this software bla bla bla
[08:09] <alkisg> CrazyLemon: ok, yes that would be ubiquity in launchpad then
[08:10] <danboid> It seems to be a new flaw/feature of ubiquity/apt/dpkg but I cant help but think it slows install down. The laptop I was installing on has 4GB RAM
[08:10] <alkisg> CrazyLemon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1625567
[08:11] <alkisg> danboid: never heard of it, no. If you want to try reinstalling, pause at the point when it does that, and join irc from there.
[08:11] <CrazyLemon> alkisg yea its a bug.. the string has been translated for over a year now and it wasn't included in the release.. thanks for your help
[08:11] <alkisg> np
[08:12] <alkisg> Mention in the bug that it affects other languages too
[12:56] <Canoe> Deeply impressed by Ubuntu Mate, - I get the feeling my distro-hopping days are over, after a couple of days of tests, I'm struggling to find anything of note that's wrong with 17.04 Mate.
[12:57] <Canoe> Huge thanks to Popey for that initial decision to pull Mate into Ubuntu and setting this all off.
[13:01] <SuperEngineer> Canoe: Yuo obviously haven't worked out the major drawback with it... everytime you turn your machine off, the desktop is gone!  ;-)
[13:02] <SuperEngineer> Fortunately it seems to recover ok (for some unknown reason) every time you turn your machine back on :-D
[13:03] <Canoe> That's odd.. - don't have that issue, - is it consistent on every boot for you?
[13:03] <Canoe> I'll give it another test on that front and check journalctl
[13:04] <SuperEngineer> lol
[13:23] <Canoe> Super that's possibly the most dad-level joke ever.. ;)
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[14:10] <taaem> Sorry to ask again but will there be an iso for 17.04 for the Raspberry Pi 3?
[14:49] <cyberhome> hello, german mate users here ?
[16:39] <Guest64821> hello, beutifull peoples!
[16:40] <Canoe> hi!
[16:41] <Guest64821> any ones knows what is the best operating system for Raspberry PI2?
[16:42] <Canoe> I'd say Ubuntu-Mate? More so given we're in the same channel.. :)
[16:44] <Guest64821> OTHER?
[16:46] <Canoe> Other OS? Raspbian would be the default and a good starting point.
[17:37] <intisar> wow
[17:50] <PlainDave> Is 17.04 no longer in beta? If so, do I need to install it again? I'm currently using beta 2.
[17:57] <Mikelevel> no , you dont need to install again . only let update
[17:59] <PlainDave> do I type "let update"?
[18:05] <PlainDave> okay thanks
[18:38] <Akuli> PlainDave, i don't think that's what Mikelevel meant
[18:38] <Akuli> typing let update to a terminal does nothing
[23:29] <vaoi> Hi, may I ask question about linux and torrent to use?
[23:30] <vaoi> I just switched over to ubuntu/linux and i have iptorrents. Is Bitorrent the recommended torrent for Linux?