[00:00] <MK> Hey guys, I need to mount a windows Recovery partition to get at some files, but it seems Dolphin hides those completely by default. Is there a setting to make those visible in dolphin? "Show All Entries" doesn't
[00:01] <clivejo> can't see why it would hide them
[00:03] <MK> I assume to prevent people from breaking things; it's also hiding my dual boot's windows recovery partition (which I don't need to access)
[00:04] <clivejo> Linux doesn't usually do that, it tends to trust the user knows what they are doing!
[00:04] <mattpalermo> MK: I just checked mine, and yea, mine don't show in dolohin either. But I checked the partition manager, and the 'hidden' flag is set on both of those partitions
[00:05] <clivejo> are you able to see the other partitions on the disk?
[00:05] <mattpalermo> I'll see if unchecking that flag does anything.
[00:05] <MK> Yes, and I was able to make a backup of the partition with KDE Partition Manager, it just won't let me mount it
[00:06] <MK> Hm, it doesn't seem to have a hidden flag on it, lemme try setting and then removing that flag
[00:11] <MK> Nothing :(
[00:13] <mattpalermo> Back. Can confirm. Unsetting those flags did nothing.
[00:26] <MK> Hm, well can one of you help me mount it manually?
[00:29] <MK> ah, I got it
[00:30] <mattpalermo> MK: How did you do it?
[00:31] <MK> just made a folder and used sudo mount to mount the partition to it, it didn't complain
[00:31] <MK> (read-only, so I don't break anything :P)
[00:32] <mattpalermo> excellent :) I just managed to do the same thing through the partition manager. Seems to work. Odd that dolphin can distinguish between the many different ntfs partitions.
[00:32] <MK> There might be some hard-coded restriction on listing ntfs RECOVERY or WIN_RE labels
[00:33] <mattpalermo> Perhaps.
[00:40] <mattpalermo> clivejo: Ah, wifi just broke again. Seems like IPv6 didn't help.
[01:37] <sakhd> I change my keyboard layout with alt + shift. I press alt, then shift, and before I key up the shift it's already changed. The correct way is to trigger after I key up the last key. Ho can I change this behavior?
[01:38] <sakhd> in ubuntu it was ok
[06:19] <schnoodles> Since upgrading to kubuntu 17.04 has anyone run into cursor graphic problems? When I hover over certain system elements in draws a box behind my cursor.
[06:34] <valorie> schnoodles: in nvidia?
[06:35] <valorie> I noticed it about 10 days ago
[06:35] <valorie> but I've been using zesty for many months, so it's not that
[06:36] <valorie> and it didn't happen when I moved from nouveau to the blob
[06:36] <valorie> but later
[06:38] <steve-_-[m]> hi all. is there some sort of "about" screen in kubuntu? discover shows installed items but those seem to be packages? I'd like to be able to loot at some info window telling me which kubuntu version is currently installed
[06:41] <mattpalermo> Good question steve. If you look at the /etc/apt/sources.list file it will show you the 'software repositories' you are tracking. I think this is really what determines your 'version'.
[06:42] <steve-_-[m]> so that would be in konsole?
[06:42] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo:
[06:44] <mattpalermo> Actually, you could see this information in the Software Center by going into 'Settings'. Don't need to go into the terminal
[06:45] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo: "software center" is that "discover"?
[06:45] <mattpalermo> yea
[06:47] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo: I am in there. where are the settings? I don#t see any "settings" item. do you mean "configure sources"? http://imgur.com/a/404wH
[06:47] <mattpalermo> You'll see lines that look similar to: "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty-updates main restricted"
[06:48] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: just type about in krunner
[06:48] <mattpalermo> I think we have different versions of Discover installed. I'm not familiar with that interface.
[06:48] <valorie> krunner is alt and space
[06:49] <valorie> I mean alt key and space key
[06:49] <mattpalermo> valorie: That would be alot simpler :P
[06:49] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: that worked so 16.10 installed. it brought up an "About System" dialog. great. should I be able to find that about item from within the system settings as well?
[06:49] <mattpalermo> Sorry
[06:50] <valorie> if you want just plasma version, it's `plasmashell --version` in the commandline
[06:50] <steve-_-[m]> no overall about is great
[06:50] <valorie> well, every KDE application has help > about
[06:51] <valorie> well, system settings is about KDE settings
[06:51] <valorie> not much to do about Kubuntu, which is a way of providing that software
[06:52] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: so if I want to update to kubuntu 17.04 how would I go about doing that?
[06:52] <valorie> the simplest way is in the commandline
[06:52] <valorie> are you interested in doing it that way?
[06:53] <valorie> but it can be done in Muon or Discover as well
[06:53] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: if it is the easiest way, ok. I always wonder why there is no easy UI for stuff like that. but maybe I am expecting the wrong thing from a linux distro then? ah ok, I guess then I'd prefere Discover. from what I understood Muon would be replaced by Discover.
[06:54] <valorie> well, Muon is a package manager
[06:54] <valorie> Discover is a software store
[06:54] <valorie> so they are different sorts of guis
[06:55] <valorie> personally, I do not like software stores
[06:55] <valorie> but it's a matter of taste
[06:55] <steve-_-[m]> valorie:  I can see why that would be. I'd be interested in learning about the non CLI way which kubuntu things would be the way non-expert end users would take as a route.
[06:56] <steve-_-[m]> *thinks
[06:57] <valorie> sure, I sometimes do it that way, to see how it goes
[06:57] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: here is a step by step: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZestyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[06:58] <valorie> the important part is to do upgrades in 16.10 first
[06:58] <valorie> before beginning the 17.04 upgrade
[06:59] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: yeah I checked for updated in discover and installed everything available. funnily enough this guide falls back to CLI pretty quickly
[07:00] <valorie> it only "falls back" if there is a problem
[07:00] <mattpalermo> I think the guide says that the GUI should offer you a way to upgrade.
[07:00] <valorie> krunner doesn't count as a commandline
[07:00] <valorie> it should, yes
[07:01] <steve-_-[m]> I see no further updates in discover and still am on 16.10, so CLI seems now the next step I guess?
[07:02] <valorie> if there is nothing in that bottom left-hand box where updates show
[07:02] <valorie> you can go to settings > more > check for updates
[07:02] <steve-_-[m]> ok CLI worked
[07:03] <steve-_-[m]> I am not sure, why this is not solvable via easy UI or a store (since one exists).
[07:03] <valorie> well, Muon always works for me
[07:03] <valorie> Discover seems a bit hit or miss
[07:04] <valorie> I tried out the Ubuntu Software Store and found it an unusable mess
[07:04] <steve-_-[m]> it does. hm, from an end user perspective such things are really hard with kubuntu or linux in gerneal
[07:04] <valorie> the old Synaptic worked, but I like Muon better
[07:04] <valorie> well, I'm no coder
[07:05] <valorie> but I prefer the commandline when I know the commands I'm using
[07:05] <steve-_-[m]> choice is great, but telling a user to check out 4-5 update UI solutions of which 3 can be considered unreliable will mean "game over" for many end users
[07:05] <valorie> I used it in windows, and before that CP/M
[07:05] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: mattpalermo thanks for your help. I will keep trying this.
[07:06] <steve-_-[m]> maybe in 2025 we can have seamless updates (:
[07:06] <valorie> I left the Mac world because I don't like *only* point and click
[07:06] <valorie> they are seamless for me!
[07:06] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: I get that, but for many people it is all they can do
[07:06] <mattpalermo> Good luck. Have you considered just doing a fresh install? That's always fun (when installing linux)
[07:06] <valorie> the up-arrow in konsole is just about instant
[07:07] <valorie> mattpalermo: there are times when that is necessary
[07:07] <valorie> but 16.10 > 17.04 should be easy-peasy
[07:07] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: konsole isn't always for end users. if I think about my parents, they would be lost fiddling with CLI, no chance.
[07:07] <valorie> no big changes
[07:07] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: I'm a grandma....
[07:08] <steve-_-[m]> wow, I wish I had a grandma teaching me linux stuff
[07:08] <valorie> heh
[07:08] <mattpalermo> steve-_-[m]: My dad isn't scared of the command line... he's just to lazy to reach the keyboard :P so point and click is important to him too
[07:08] <valorie> that's why I write my blog
[07:08] <valorie> to remember what I learn
[07:09] <mattpalermo> valorie: Too bad you're not a programmer. Then you'd be a hacker grandma!
[07:09] <valorie> heh
[07:10] <valorie> well, my code is english, and at this point in my life, I'm relying on my strengths while continuing to learn new things along the way
[07:11] <valorie> helping the kids in Google Summer of Code is as close as I get
[07:11] <valorie> niters all
[07:13] <mattpalermo> Goodnight valorie!
[07:14] <steve-_-[m]> valorie:  can you link me your blog?
[08:22] <steve-_-[m]> wow, nice changes so far. plasma has matured and discovere received a major cleanup. nice work!
[08:25] <steve-_-[m]> can I remove the messaging app from the task bar in the bottom right?
[08:28] <mattrpalermo> steve-_-[m]: If you right click between the tiny icons, you can open the 'System Tray Settings'. From there you can disable it. I'm not sure if there is an easier way.
[08:28] <steve-_-[m]> mattrpalermo: yep that's now called "task manager settings"
[08:28] <steve-_-[m]> is that the one?
[08:29] <acheronUK> nope
[08:29] <steve-_-[m]> ah got it it's the triangle
[08:29] <steve-_-[m]> and disabled. great. thx mattrpalermo
[08:29] <mattrpalermo> :D Yea, triangle seems easy.
[08:30] <acheronUK> yes, if that is there as stuuf is hidden, then right clicking that triangle expander is usually the easiest way
[08:30] <acheronUK> *there is stuff hidden
[08:32] <acheronUK> steve-_-[m]: hope valorie doesn't mind: http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.co.uk/
[08:36] <mattrpalermo> I know that wasn't directed towards me, but thanks for the link!
[09:10] <steve-_-[m]> acheronUK:  cool, thanks for the link
[09:32] <ddm1> How accessible is Kubuntu for blind Users?
[09:46] <mattrpalermo> ddm1: Interesting question. I wonder if there are any dedicated ubuntu communities for this?
[09:48] <ddm1> I have read that Orca doesn't work with KDE.
[09:49] <mattrpalermo> Are you blind or somebody you know?
[09:49] <ddm1> I'm blind.
[09:53] <mattrpalermo> I would hope that the KDE team put as much effort into accessibilty as they did with the rest of the experience. Perhaps this link will help: https://accessibility.kde.org/
[09:55] <mattrpalermo> From that website, I found two applications. Jovie text to speech system and the Simon speech recognition program.
[09:56] <ddm1> But can i use Jovie as a Screenreader?
[09:59] <mattrpalermo> "Jovie KDE Text-to-Speech is a subsystem within the KDE desktop for conversion of text to audible speech. Jovie is currently under development and aims to become the standard subsystem for all KDE applications to provide speech output."
[09:59] <ddm1> But can I also use brltty under KDE for Braille Output?
[09:59] <mattrpalermo> But if you are familiar with Orca, the wikipedia page claims that it works in KDE as well.
[10:07] <mattrpalermo> I'm not sure ddm1. From what I just read about it, it seems to not be strongly related to any one desktop so I think you should give it a go.
[10:08] <mattrpalermo> It is available in the repository so it should be easy to install.
[10:09] <ddm1> But I want to install Kubuntu first, before installing the Orca and BRLTTY Software.
[10:10] <mattrpalermo> Ahh. So Kubuntu needs to be accessible straight out of the box.
[10:11] <ddm1> Yes.
[10:26] <mattpalermo> #ddm1: Perhaps you could try the #kde-accessibility IRC channel.
[10:26] <mattpalermo> ddm1: Perhaps you could try the #kde-accessibility IRC channel.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:13] <mattpalermo> Hello. Seems a bit quiet this time of day.
[11:31] <acheronUK> Yes. the USA is still mostly asleep and the UK is on a bank holiday
[11:45] <mattpalermo> Holiday is already over here in Australia :( back to normal tomorrow.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Canada is mostly awake, Easter Monday is an optional holiday here
[12:56] <flo__> hello..i need to know the content of /etc/lsb-release file for ubuntu 17.04 as i'm triyng to use the intel drivers update tool under kde neon with kernel 4.10. can someone tell me the contents of that file?
[13:04] <mattpalermo> flo__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24400573/
[15:33] <sanu01> guy just installed Kubuntu after dumping windows. Kindly how do i install minimize to desktop shortcut?
[15:42] <acheronUK> do you mean 'show desktop' widget?
 Sorry for ask: Does anyone knows what is the best for PDF editor? Combine, delete page, add page, edit text.
[15:51] <sebastian__> hi
[15:52] <sebastian__> I have a problem with amarok. it doesn't  really display the current track applet.
[15:52] <sebastian__> anybody is willing to help me?
[16:03] <faunris> hi all. i'm sorry but. Where is bridge connection type in plasma-nm?!
[16:03] <faunris> Kubuntu 17.04
 Still facing DNS issues with wireless on fresh install of Kubuntu... Any fixes? Restarting network manager does not solve the issue 😡😡😡
[16:37] <user|59069> I have tried booting 17.04 (to install) on 2 devices (CD and Flash drive) on a machine that boots 16.04 just fine, but for some reason 17.04 will not, any issues?
[16:40] <user|59069> shoot nvm, let me try UEFI, and disable legacy
[17:18] <ronnoc> ooh nice new banner on Kubuntu.org :)
 @ronnoc, https://delsalife.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/kubuntu-17-04-banner/
[17:29] <ronnoc> IrcsomeBot1: Yea I saw the post on Planet. Very nice.
[17:30] <clivejo> ronnoc: IrcsomeBot1 is a telegram bridge
[17:30] <clivejo> acheronuk is the one sending the message
[17:45] <ronnoc> oh yea lol. duh :)
[17:52] <ScroopyNoopers> Hey
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> can some one help me with some strange graphical issues
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> in windows like my chat here, or in kate when i type a new line sometimes i get lines running through the screen
[18:45] <sanu01> acheronUK: its ok i found how to do it
[18:46] <sanu01> how come ifconfig is not installed as default in Kubuntu?
[18:46] <genii> Because it is deprecated now in favour of the "ip" command instead
[18:47] <sanu01> ok. thought of installing net-tools but if ip is there that should be fine.
[18:50] <sanu01> JonelethIrenicus: most prob a graphics card issue
[18:50] <sebastian__> @jonelethIrenicus I had the same today for the first time
[18:50] <JonelethIrenicus> im using the backports ppa
[18:50] <sanu01> anyone with a lenovo laptop with fingerprint enabled?
[18:50] <sebastian__> and my graphic card is just new and working fine
[18:50] <JonelethIrenicus> 1070 here
[18:51] <sebastian__> it's an nvidia right?
[18:51] <sanu01> how do i enable fingerprint login?
[18:51] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: yeah
[18:52] <JonelethIrenicus> it isn't a huge deal just visually not pretty
[18:52] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I have an amd and the same issues but only once yet
[18:52] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: for me it is only on some applications
[18:52] <sebastian__> *issue
[18:53] <JonelethIrenicus> like the terminal and kate
[18:53] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I had it in my firefox while scrolling in youtube to the top of the page
[18:54] <JonelethIrenicus> ahh
[18:54] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus no issue here in terminal and kate
[18:55] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: for me the lines appear and disappear when lines move in the terminal
[18:55] <sebastian__> ah ok
[18:55] <genii> sanu01: I did fingerprint reader login before with fingerprint-gui and a bit of tinkerin with PAM, but it might be a simpler now ( that was with 12.04 ). You'll probably still need fingerprint-gui though
[18:55] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I will look for them the next timne I am using the terminal
[18:56] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus but I can't remember I had them before
[20:37] <nye> Hello, after install the privative drivers for my nvidia card the message " bbswitch: No suitable DSM call found." appears on boot and I can't log in graphical mode, any solutions for these?
[20:37] <nye> this is after a clean install of Kubunu 17.04
[20:41] <valorie> yikes
[20:41] <valorie> I assume you googled that error message and didn't find anything useful?
[20:41]  * valorie goes to refill the coffee cup
[20:42] <nye> yes, I can't find any solutions
[20:43] <BluesKaj> nye: which nvidia gpu?
[20:45] <nye> GeForce GT 740M
[20:46] <BluesKaj> nye:  is this a laptop with hybrid dual gpu system called Optimus?
[20:48] <nye> yes BluesKaj
[20:48] <Sirmaxalot305> so has anybodu noticed anything od about the desktop in the 17.04 release.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> nye:  did you install bumblebee as well
[20:49] <Sirmaxalot305> no i have yet to install any proprietary drivers.
[20:49] <BluesKaj> nye:  and I think the nvidia driver requires nvidia-prime
[20:50] <nye> yes, I tried with the newer version of bumblebee from a ppa
[20:50] <BluesKaj> Sirmaxalot305:  I wasn't answering your question
[20:50] <Sirmaxalot305> sorry :(
 odd?
[20:51] <nye> and with different versions of the package nvidia-3XX
[20:52] <BluesKaj> nye: right, can you get to a tty , ctl+alt+F1-F6 and install nvidia-prime
[20:53] <user|52989> hola
[20:53] <acheronUK> Sirmaxalot305: what is odd?
[20:53] <nye> i tried that too, didn't work BluesKaj
[20:54] <nye> BluesKaj "sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus linux-headers-generic" this was the last I tried.
[20:54] <genii> bumblebee is deprecated
[20:55] <nye> genii What should I use instead?
[20:56] <genii> nvidia-prime
[20:57] <genii> Development on bumblebee stopped in 2013
[20:58] <BluesKaj> genii:  it's back in a ppa
[20:58] <BluesKaj> nye: https://antergos.com/wiki/hardware/graphics/bumblebee-for-nvidia-optimus/
[21:01] <genii> Meh :(
[21:02] <nye> I'm going to try to delete and blacklist nouveau, probably that is the problem.
[21:02] <genii> After you install nvidia-prime, you get a setting called PRIME Profiles which you can set what GPU to use
[21:03]  * genii wanders off to lock up at work
[21:03] <BluesKaj> installing the nvidia driver automatically removes/blacklists nouveau
[21:08] <nye> I have to go, thank you for your help BluesKaj
[21:10] <alihatap> Hi everyone, I have just switched Kubuntu due to its great support for HiDPI displays. However, now it does not detect my nvidia gtx1050 graphic card. Any help would be very much appreciated.
[21:12] <valorie> what graphics driver are you running, alihatap?
[21:13] <alihatap> nvidia geforce gtx 1050
[21:15] <valorie> !nvidia
[21:15] <valorie> that will have the most up-to-date information
[21:15] <alihatap> Thanks guys, I am checking the links now!
[21:16] <valorie> not a guy, but you are most welcome
[21:22] <BluesKaj> well, time to close up for the day ...take care all
[21:26] <alihatap> @valorie, I used it in a generic way, but I could have been more sensitive
[21:36] <alihatap> Okay, I downloaded and installed this driver http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/114708/en-us but my graphic card is still not detected in the driver manager
[22:50] <Guest74885> Hi, so I found a major bug in plasma 5.5.5...   the panel settings are discarded on every reboot
[22:50] <Guest74885> what should I do about it?    It's deployed on a system for an old lady that I want to keep it as simple as possible
[22:51] <Guest74885> so everything needs to be the same every time she starts the computer
[23:19] <valorie> Guest74885: in systemsettings, choose "save settings at shutdown" or such
[23:20] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date
[23:21] <acheronUK> plasma 5.5.5 implies 16.04, so adding backports ppa ay help
[23:21] <Guest74885> valorie, the problem is that the panel changes size when the vertical screen resolution changes, and on reboots.
[23:21] <Guest74885> acheronUK, the problem also exists in 5.8.5
[23:22] <Guest74885> I just installed backports... I'm downloading neon now
[23:22] <Guest74885> I want to make all of the config files read only... like a kiosk
[23:22] <Guest74885> so the system won't get goobered with an improper mouse click
[23:23] <acheronUK> never had those issues. something is misconfigured somewhere.
[23:23] <Guest74885> I looked at the plasmashellrc and there were many entries for panel1
[23:24] <Guest74885> acheronUK, I also have the panel on the left... windows can cover
[23:24] <Guest74885> with a quicklaunch just under the grossly oversized K menu
[23:26] <Guest74885> I can live with the sizing error of the widgets but I can't have the panel turn antman size
[23:26] <Guest74885> I'll try to get a screenshot up
[23:28] <Guest74885> how do you do screenshots in irc?
[23:28] <Guest74885> pastebin?
[23:29] <krytarik> !paste
[23:30] <Guest74885> https://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=105066
[23:31] <Guest74885> I already have a screenshot in the bug...
[23:31] <Guest74885> I figure that should work
[23:35] <Guest74885> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378895
[23:41] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date; even an icon making tutorial with an included list or guide for icon naming.. something newer than 2012 heh :)