[04:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> morning txtechnow
[05:04] <txtechnow> sup
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> just wakeup with coffee
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[05:41] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> morning Extremeadin
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys happy easter monday
[06:19] <Bashing-om> done guys g nite - gonna leave the box up and see if it freezes up overnight . \o
[06:21] <ducasse> morning all
[06:32] <xangua> Morning here technically
[10:10] <EriC^^> morning
[10:15] <ducasse> hiyup EriC^^
[10:16] <EriC^^> hi ducasse, how's it going?
[10:16] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[10:19] <EriC^^> good as well, thanks
[10:20] <ducasse> any plans for the day?
[10:23] <EriC^^> not much, need to get some groceries later
[10:23] <EriC^^> what about you?
[10:33] <ducasse> EriC^^: nothing major, i'm just messing with my arch install. something is also odd with my desktop, lots of usb resets it seems like. might try to dig a bit deeper on that.
[10:45] <baizon> so unity 8 is dead, like i mention it :/
[10:48] <EriC^^> ducasse: aha
[10:49] <EriC^^> baizon: i thought the community was going to further develop it?
[10:51] <brunch875> I'm giving fedora a spin but I'm not convinced by it
[10:51] <brunch875> I'll give suse a go
[10:51] <baizon> it is, but it has to many mir dependecies, so they have also to port mir on top of wayland :D
[10:51] <EriC^^> i only tried it on a vps once, yum seemed super slow though
[10:51] <ducasse> EriC^^: i get lots of 'new high-speed usb device' messages, and on boot all input in the bios gets really slow after three-four seconds. everything seems to work, though.
[10:51] <brunch875> but so far ubuntu seems the most friendly to "working out of the box"
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:14] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - how's life?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, good here and you?
[11:16] <ducasse> i'm good, but i'm slightly worried my desktop has a hardware usb problem. it doesn't seem to keep the system from running, though. :)
[11:17] <EriC^^> how old is it ducasse
[11:17] <BluesKaj> what kind of problem?
[11:17] <ducasse> nearly 2 years
[11:18] <ducasse> tons of these in the logs:
[11:18] <ducasse> [76444.217477] usb 3-5.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd
[11:18] <EriC^^> my hp is like 3 years old when it suddenly wouldn't work in uefi mode anymore, i switched to legacy for it
[11:18] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:19] <EriC^^> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132266/usb-device-messages-flooding-dmesg-and-console
[11:20] <EriC^^> it doesn't really solve anything, it does hint to the obvious though, something is disconnecting and reconnecting
[11:22] <ducasse> that's what i was thinking, but there's no device in whatever port this is
[11:22] <ducasse> seems it's the port or hub itself
[11:24] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:24] <EriC^^> the message does say like something is connected though
[11:25] <EriC^^> like it's detecting something, a flash disk for instance or something like that
[11:27] <EriC^^> google sayd xhci_hcd is the module for usb 3.0
[11:27] <EriC^^> *says
[11:32] <ducasse> yes, but there is nothing in any of the usb 3 ports. it looks to me like the port is flapping. looking now for instructions on turning it off...
[11:40] <ducasse> ok, switching the hub off stops the messages. i'll just disable it in the firmware.
[12:26] <ducasse> BluesKaj: problem tracked down and solved \o/
[12:26] <ducasse> TIL a whole lot about usb on linux...
[12:28] <BluesKaj> so what did you do, ducasse ?
[12:30] <ducasse> the output i was looking at actually had the port offset by 1, which was why i couldn't figure it out. as soon as i figured this out it was pretty obvious, it was an android tablet connected to the usb hub in my monitor that was doing the flapping. disconnected it and all is fine.
[12:31] <ducasse> it was on a usb2 hub/port, though, so i'm still wondering where xhci came from...
[12:33] <ducasse> (i should have thrown that tablet away a long time ago anyway, it's crap.)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> odd that lsusb would get the port number wrong, or did you use a different hw discover command?
[12:38] <ducasse> usb-devices, and i found a post that said "You will need to add "1" (arithmetic one) to "Cnt" to get the rank Rank=Cnt+1"
[12:42] <ducasse> this helped me 'map' it to how the ports are listed in my mobo manual, which was what i was having trouble with (aside from the xhci thing being a red herring)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> interesting, I'll keep the 'usb-devices' phrase in mind
[12:52] <ducasse> BluesKaj: do you want the link?
[12:54] <ducasse> sharing it anyway, as this had useful info ;) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1163824/linux-usb-turning-the-power-on-and-off/7037295#7037295 - there is a lot of other useful stuff on usb on that page, btw.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse
[13:08] <ducasse> np. i'm _really_ glad this wasn't a hw problem with my desktop. if that tablet ceases to function i won't miss it, but my desktop would have been very different :)
[17:00] <Bashing-om> Back on ... Good morning all .
[17:01] <EriC^> morning Bashing-om
[17:02] <Bashing-om> EriC^: We see what the day brings .. looks to be a busy one :)
[17:07] <EriC^> yup :)
[17:43] <Menzador> Yo!
[17:43] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om - how are things?
[17:53] <Bashing-om> ducasse: L00king well - so far so good :) . You look also to have things in your world under control :)
[17:56] <ducasse> Bashing-om: yep, done a little usb digging :) everything is fine now, though, and i've made a note in the manual :) now i'm toying with arch, just trying it out on my desktop.
[17:58] <Bashing-om> ducasse: My freezes may be related to th nouvuau driver. installed nVidia and thus far no freezes in 24+ hours .
[18:06] <ducasse> Bashing-om: awright! :) let's hope it stays that way. which gpu was this?
[18:10] <Bashing-om> ducasse: GT710 . Went proprietary as I could come up with nothing else to try .. and I do mean try . As I can not see how the nouvea driver could bring the system to a halt . ( froze up and can not even ping the box from the LAN !) .
[18:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: aiui a kernel driver can freeze the whole kernel, which is why some people advocate microkernel designs. my grasp of this is limited, though.
[18:21] <daftykins> just an example of FOSS not working most likely!
[18:22] <daftykins> (nouveau being wonky)
[18:22] <ducasse> :-P
[18:22] <daftykins> i mean i know they have to reverse engineer it on their own, so it's not their fault exactly
[18:23] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I tend now to look at it that as I have a Nvida mainbord chipset . maybe the nvidia graphics driver interprets the better ?
[18:23] <ducasse> Bashing-om: possible, they're two entirely different beasts.
[18:23] <daftykins> nah nvidia chipsets have historically been pretty terrible
[18:24] <Bashing-om> Well, My fingers are still crossed . see if this system stays up .. else 2 hours and I can have the Asrock system running !
[18:28] <ducasse> Bashing-om: how often did it crash before?
[18:30] <Bashing-om> ducasse: varied .. After some changes might be up a running for a few days before the freezes again set in - why my fingers are still crossed - .
[18:30] <daftykins> Bashing-om: is this your machine that you were having problems with 16.04 installed on the new SSD with? i'd have always been running nvidia over nouveau :)
[18:30] <daftykins> wow that first sentence was bad
[18:31] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah, same same machine . has not been stable since the install of the SSD AND the GT710 card at the same time . Have made a lot of progress however and I am very hopeful now that all is good .
[18:32] <daftykins> \o/
[18:33] <Bashing-om> daftykins: This ole box .. similar to placing new wine in old wineskin ! It has been a challenge finding out what it takes to interface the new hardware .
[18:45] <ducasse> daftykins: for me as a non-native english speaker that sentence was mind-bending ;)
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe sorry, yeah i wanted to point that out so nobody strained over it
[18:46] <daftykins> was almost as bad as literally translated German :>
[18:47] <ducasse> when you mentally translate things as you read the words, things like that can get Really Wrong :)
[18:47] <EriC^> :D
[18:47] <EriC^> hey daftykins o/
[18:48] <daftykins> o hai \o
[18:49] <EriC^> i was playing horizon zero dawn
[18:49] <EriC^> it's a good game!
[18:49] <Bashing-om> Me ??  I have difficultiy enough translating english to English - much less English to German .
[18:49] <EriC^> the story is very on your feet kind of, what to expect hmm
[18:50] <daftykins> ah i had been watching a twitch streamer play that
[18:50] <nacc> EriC^: yeah, i've been enjoying it too!
[18:52] <EriC^> :D
[19:29] <luizcarvalho> hello
[19:31] <daftykins> \o