[02:34] <LorJSR> list
[02:34] <LorJSR> Welp
[07:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:00] <m0nkey_> daftykins: I had a response from Louis on reddit :) https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/65rnwk/apple_uses_spite_to_force_planned_obsolescence/dgcyflo/
[11:28] <ali1234> i mean he's right, it's a really boring video
[11:28] <ali1234> and i like watching electronics repair videos
[11:33] <ali1234> also he doesn't even do a good repair job lol
[15:21] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/853987219241095168
[16:44] <diddledan> how do I report someone on launchpad for spamming?
[16:44] <diddledan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/1160372 (see the last two comments)
[16:45] <penguin42> diddledan: You can ask on #launchpad  and I think the other thing is to do an ask-a-question of the launchpad team
[16:46] <diddledan> danke
[17:24] <thudkol> Hi. With many Ubuntu installations across many machines I've noticed that trying to change video driver to nvidia in Additional Drivers often fails with no error messages. It simply reverts to xorg driver with no comment. Any idea how I can find out why?
[17:31] <thudkol> Here's syslog, though again, no errors: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24402080/ are there other logs I could be looking in?
[17:52] <daftykins> m0nkey_: XD
[18:33] <daftykins> ali1234: what's bad about it?
[18:34] <ali1234> instead of properly repairing the pad he just soldered a bit of wire under the chip
[18:34] <daftykins> i suspect it's a time-result trade-off
[18:34] <ali1234> i mean sure it works but all the people saying "wow amazing job" in the comments have absolutely no idea what they are talking about
[18:35] <ali1234> doing it properly wouldn't take that much longer
[18:36] <ali1234> the only difference is you have to wait 12 hours for the epoxy to cure but its not like you have to sit and stare at it while that happens
[18:36] <daftykins> hmm, never seen a missing pad resolved
[18:36] <ali1234> search "lifted smd pad repair" on youtube, there's loads of videos
[18:36] <daftykins> ah well if he did that and the issue ended up being a dead PCH or CPU anyway, then that'd be a waste
[18:37] <ali1234> then you replace the chip too
[18:37] <daftykins> neither are viable
[18:37] <penguin42> heck, never tried replacing a pad
[18:37] <daftykins> i mean i watch his videos a lot and i'm totally new to it, but there must be a reason he does it the way he does...
[18:37] <ali1234> cos its cheap and easy
[18:38] <ali1234> this is how you do it properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx50YtEC2S8
[18:39] <ali1234> there's nothing wrong with doing it the lazy way, i mean i've done it myself
[18:39] <ali1234> i wouldn't pay someone $350 to do that though
[18:42] <daftykins> yeah, in other videos he explains that sure, if he weren't right in the centre of Manhattan the prices he charges wouldn't be so high
[18:45] <daftykins> often he knows that Apple ask customers for upwards of $700 for a full out motherboard swap too, so just undercuts it
[18:45] <ali1234> yep. but he's not doing a good job
[18:45] <ali1234> just a passable one
[18:46] <ali1234> sure, apple will give the customer a new board, but they won't just landfill the old one. it will get repaired and then given to some other customer
[18:46] <ali1234> they do that for efficiency, not in order to sell more motherboards
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> i see so many people going around with phones with cracked screens that i don't think people care about quality anymore
[18:46] <daftykins> only if it's a given age model - but yeah they ship them back to China for repair
[18:47] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i think they just don't care about their possessions ;) careless idiots
[18:47] <ali1234> they can swap the motherboard in minutes, and then take the ~48 hours needed to do the repair job properly
[18:47] <daftykins> of course there's the angle that the premium devices are more prone to screen shatter when dropped too
[18:48] <daftykins> ali1234: Apple don't do that though :) that's the crime
[18:48] <ali1234> of course they do
[18:48] <daftykins> not in-house in the US, no
[18:48] <ali1234> no, they ship the board to china and ship the reconditioned ones back
[18:48] <ali1234> but customer won't want to wait for that
[18:49] <daftykins> yip, with a customer getting a blank refurb
[18:49] <daftykins> "oh, you mean you don't pay us for iCloud services so all your data is stored with is and restorable?"
[18:49] <daftykins> s/is/us/
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> apple with their cash hoard could build a mini hyperloop to send sick phones to china for motherboard swap and have them back a few hours later... :-P
[18:51] <ali1234> mini?
[18:51] <ali1234> all the way to china is mini?
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> narrow gauge so won't transport humans so to speak...
[18:52] <ali1234> oh i see, just big enough for devices
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> think futurama transport tubes...
[18:52] <diddledan> a succubus: http://www.starshiptitanic.com/game/succubus.html
[18:53] <ali1234> or like the original pneumatic tube systems that inspired hyperloop
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> there's still a few of those still around...
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of supermarkets now have them for cash deposits that seem to be a new use of them
[18:55] <penguin42> is it that new?
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> well new supermarkets installing them after years of not using them so i'm thinking someone is flogging them new now
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> a quick search turns up a lot of competing systems..
[18:58] <daftykins> o0
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side unhappy customers who want to complain and set up companynamesucks.com domains to complain might not do as well as they hoped... :-P
[19:01] <diddledan> diddledansucks.com
[19:01] <diddledan> one of you probably have that already?
[19:02]  * daftykins whistles
[21:13] <lopta> Did Ubuntu abandon i386?
[21:13] <lopta> I'm wondering whether I need to dig out my amd64 test rig.
[21:14] <lopta> Think I found the answer.
[21:14] <daftykins> 32-bit got the chop at some point i think, not sure if it's past or future
[21:21] <ali1234> the archive is still built for i386
[21:21] <ali1234> you might need to use the alternate iso to install it though
[21:23] <daftykins> then you might still get PAE issues
[21:23] <ali1234> that's purely down to what kernel you decide to install
[21:23] <ali1234> ie it's easily fixed
[21:25] <daftykins> if you're fighting to keep using 32-bit machines, it's time to reevaluate life :)
[21:25] <ali1234> yeah
[21:26] <ali1234> unless you're on arm
[21:26] <ali1234> but that's a whole different can of worms
[21:26]  * hamitron is currently struggling with 256MB ram on his server
[21:29] <razian_> Hello !
[21:30] <daftykins> \o
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> i'll have you know daftykins that i intend at some point to get an 8bit cpm machine up and going :-)
[21:31] <daftykins> hamitron: oof even my irssi only VM is up to 384MB now due to newer and newer releases :)
[21:31] <hamitron> I'm considering upgrading to 4GB
[21:31] <razian_> Hi, I have a problem with xubuntu setup, can anyone help me please ? :)
[21:31] <ali1234> i think you can install cp/m on an arduino
[21:32] <daftykins> razian_: ask away, with detail, on one line
[21:32] <hamitron> I got the memory sat on my desk now... just can't risk having downtime at this time of the week
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> there seems to be 1-2 z80 based systems still been built for cpm enthusiasts/masochists...
[21:33] <ali1234> https://hackaday.io/project/19560-z80-cpm-computer-using-an-arduino
[21:33] <lopta> CP/M!
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> i think the arduino is way over powered for cpm :-D
[21:33] <lopta> I miss CP/M.
[21:33] <ali1234> back when s1mp3 was popular we briefly entertained the idea of running cp/m on them
[21:34] <ali1234> 8 bit avr is pretty close to the original machines that ran cp/m actually
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> i remember we got a cp/m system in our office to transfer the data from it to our pc based crm accounts system.  it had better sound capabilities than pcs built 10+ years after it and played midi files
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> but no serial port so we had to export the data via lpt -> rs232 using an interfaker... https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6069/6074303957_8d92001eb8_z.jpg
[21:36] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: Couldn't do PLIP?
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> the data was locked up in propietary software so options were parallel or nowt
[21:36] <lopta> Ah, I understand.
[21:37] <lopta> "Pretend I'm a daisywheel printer..." ;-)
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> that's the puppy :-)
[21:37] <razian_> When installing xubuntu, a message appears saying that grub2 can not be installed and that the installation will stop. I do not have any operating system (windows was crushed during installation), I just have a usb to install xuubuntu and am currently on the test session of xubuntu
[21:37] <ali1234> razian_: modern computer with uefi?
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> is secure boot on/off?
[21:38] <razian_> Yes
[21:38] <ali1234> uefi / secure boot requires a FAT partition to store boot files
[21:38] <ali1234> did you delete that, when you deleted windows?
[21:38] <ali1234> if so you will need to recreate it
[21:38] <lopta> Does ubuntu-17.04-desktop-i386.iso only work from a CD or can I use dd to dump it onto a USB flash stick?
[21:38] <lopta> (and expect it to boot)?
[21:38] <ali1234> lopta: you can dd it to a flash disk
[21:39] <ali1234> it will boot
[21:39] <razian_> Hmm, yes I think
[21:39] <ali1234> all major distros support hybrid iso at this point
[21:39] <ali1234> even for uefi
[21:39] <lopta> Thanks
[21:40] <lopta> ali1234: I don't use Linux much.
[21:40] <ali1234> i think even windows can do it at this point :)
[21:40] <lopta> I don't use Windows much ;-)
[21:40] <lopta> brb
[21:41]  * zmoylan-pi hands out the pitchforks and torches to deal with the os/2 user :-P
[21:42] <lopta> CP/M > OS/2 ;-)
[21:42] <lopta> I have to go now.
[21:43] <razian_> ali1234 : Should I create a FAT partition to have a good installation?
[21:43] <ali1234> "my home planet needs me"
[21:43] <ali1234> razian_: i'm just looking up the documentation
[21:43] <razian_> Thanks
[21:44] <ali1234> can you open a terminal and run "sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit"
[21:44] <razian_> Yes
[21:44] <ali1234> if it says pastebinit not found then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[21:45] <ali1234> this will upload information abut your partitions (just the sizes and whatever) and give you a link
[21:45] <ali1234> paste the link here
[21:45] <razian_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24403368/
[21:45] <ali1234> hmm
[21:45] <ali1234> thats an interesting collection of disks
[21:46] <ali1234> which one did you install on?
[21:48] <razian_> On my SSD (sda), I want my /home on sdc and keep my sdb data
[21:51] <ali1234> i see. and indeed you don't have any uefi partition on sda
[21:51] <razian_> No
[21:51] <ali1234> if sdb has precious data on it, i would unplug it while trying to get this working
[21:52] <ali1234> just as a precaution
[21:53] <razian_> "precious"... just my windows games, if it will be delete it's not a real problem. my precious datas are in my external hard drive
[21:53] <ali1234> okay well that's up to you
[21:54] <ali1234> i'm reading the docs and i get the impression that the install should create the uefi partition if it doesn't exist
[21:54] <ali1234> however, maybe it doesn't depending on what install method you choose
[21:54] <ali1234> you can also do it manually
[21:55] <razian_> I use the manual install method, cause i want the /home on sdc
[21:55] <daftykins> it does, but razian_ has booted in EFI mode and the installer is playing it safe with wiping the disks
[21:55] <ali1234> that could be why
[21:55] <daftykins> one of the drives needs to have the first sectors zero'd then it'll intall.
[21:55] <ali1234> arch wiki has some docs on how to make the boot partition manually: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFI_System_Partition
[21:55] <daftykins> *install
[21:55] <daftykins> nah manual would just be more work than it's worth
[21:55] <ali1234> yep that will probably work too delete the whole partition table, not just the partitions
[21:56] <daftykins> razian_: do any of those 3 disks have data you need to keep?
[21:56] <razian_> I'l prefer to keep sdb's datas, but it's not really important
[21:58] <ali1234> as i said, just unplug it... the installer doesn't need to know about data drives anyway. actually even separate /home is very easy to do post-install
[21:58] <daftykins> ^ shutdown, unplug sdb and sdc and come back with just sda plugged in
[21:58] <daftykins> i know you want home elsewhere but you can worry about that later
[21:58] <razian_> Okay nice
[21:59] <razian_> Thanks you ! :D