[00:01] <cores> YankDownUnder, shutting off bluetooth and switching from synaptics to libinput xort input driver didn't work, pointer still jumping around
[00:02] <cores> oh well, i'm switching back to 16.04, that seems to work
[00:02] <cores> curiously, the installer for 17.04 seems to work as well.
[00:02] <badcatalex> Great. Now there's nobody to help me use my modem card in Ubuntu 17.04
[00:02] <badcatalex> I might as well leave Linux
[00:03] <Dwarf> Hey guys, how do I disable the installing of suggested pakages?
[00:03] <Dwarf> Why would you want to leave linux, badcatalex?
[00:03] <ILikeUnity7_> Dwarf, you sometimes can't.
[00:03] <Dwarf> I was wondering if there's a config setting and if so, if there's a manpage on it
[00:03] <ILikeUnity7_> badcatalex, use linux.
[00:04] <badcatalex> Because, it is hard to use dial-up for BBSes in Linux/Ubuntu
[00:04] <gogeta> badcatalex, problem seems to bee the driver  has not been updated n forever
[00:04] <Fasort> ubuntu 17 is full of bugs? is that true?
[00:04] <badcatalex> no
[00:04] <ILikeUnity7_> Fasort, tell me. I'm still using 16.10.
[00:04] <Dwarf> ...people still use dial-up?
[00:04] <Dwarf> It's 2017
[00:05] <badcatalex> Conexant a pain in the butt to use under linux
[00:05] <gogeta> badcatalex, i think most usb modems work
[00:05] <ILikeUnity7_> Dial-up is slow. People only use it in very rural areas, as far as I know.
[00:05] <Dwarf> Funny enough apt-config dump ouputs
[00:05] <Dwarf> APT::Install-Recommends "0";
[00:05] <Dwarf> APT::Install-Suggests "0";
[00:05] <badcatalex> What should I do?
[00:05] <badcatalex> Contact them?
[00:05] <Dwarf> I'd call your ISP and tell them they should get their sh*t together and join 2017 with the rest of the world
[00:05] <gogeta> badcatalex, there not going to supporting a 15 year old card lol
[00:06] <gogeta> badcatalex, you can pick up a usb dialup modem i think those work still
[00:06] <ILikeUnity7_> I'm annoyed about Unity being discontinued...
[00:06] <badcatalex> I use Media com. No dial-up. As I said earilier, I want to use it for BBSes
[00:07] <Dwarf> Unity is being discontinued? I thought they only switched the default DE to gnome
[00:07] <Dwarf> I'm quite sure you can still install the unity DE regardless
[00:07] <gogeta> unity is dead
[00:07] <gogeta> no
[00:07] <gogeta> it wil be dpreched
[00:07] <badcatalex> also, I don't have the money for a USB modem
[00:07] <yasgur99> im new to this irc thing. is anyone able to explain how i can tell which information gets sent to you guys and which is just on my screen to see
[00:07] <gogeta> devs fired all that jaz unity is no more
[00:07] <Dwarf> yasgur99: Your client sends a PING periodically to tell the server it's still alive. Anything else you type in also gets sent to the server
[00:08] <Fasort> there wont be any unity in 18
[00:08] <Fasort> lol
[00:08] <gogeta> badcatalex, connects where a pain whe they where supported
[00:09] <YankDownUnder> Dwarf: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/80_canonical_staff_face_chop/
[00:09] <badcatalex> Should I give up?
[00:09] <Fasort> ubuntu will be an ordinary distro after it removes unity. I dont think as many people are gonna use ubuntu anymore as they do now
[00:09] <kk4ewt> Fasort,  why not
[00:09] <Dwarf> painful
[00:09] <Dwarf> Unity is pretty awful imo
[00:09] <gogeta> badcatalex, you can try using winmodem drivers
[00:10] <gogeta> badcatalex, it may respond to that
[00:10] <YankDownUnder> Actually, it's not really going to affect Ubuntu very much. "Fanboys" of Unity might not like the statistics.
[00:10] <Dwarf> Gnome is much more streamlined and customizable
[00:10] <badcatalex> gogeta, how?
[00:10] <Fasort> fedora has gnome
[00:10] <Fasort> and other major distros
[00:10] <Fasort> they integrate gnome bettere
[00:10] <ILikeUnity7> Hi, my screen went blank and I had to turn off my computer.
[00:10] <Dwarf> Every distro has gnome
[00:10] <YankDownUnder> It's not really an issue about Gnome or whatever desktop...it's about the underlying system.
[00:10] <Dwarf> Systemd
[00:10] <Fasort> Dwarf, ubuntu will be debian :D
[00:10] <ILikeUnity7> ^
[00:11] <Dwarf> Ubuntu /is/ debian
[00:11] <ILikeUnity7> GNOME should have global menus!
[00:11] <Dwarf> But with different packages
[00:11] <Dwarf> Gnome has global menus!
[00:11] <ILikeUnity7> By the way, Unity 8 was forked into #yunit
[00:11] <badcatalex> gogeta: How do I use winmodem? And what is it?
[00:11] <ILikeUnity7> Global menus with the File Edit View...?
[00:11] <Dwarf> Oh global menus like that
[00:12] <gogeta> badcatalex, oh seem the sites is still alive buddy the linkwwas old
[00:12] <Fasort> linux never had decent DE. the community should learn from windows or macOS. keep one rock solid featured DE.
[00:12] <Dwarf> Like this, ILikeUnity7? https://launchpad.net/maximus
[00:13] <Dwarf> Fasort: You mean, gnome?
[00:13] <ILikeUnity7> Hmm... I'll do some research.
[00:13] <badcatalex> gogeta, what is winmodem?
[00:13] <gogeta> badcatalex, http://www.linuxant.com/alsa-driver/#pre-compiled
[00:14] <YankDownUnder> The point of linux is that there should be NO "primary desktop environment" - none. It's all about "individual choice".
[00:14] <badcatalex> YES!
[00:14] <gogeta> badcatalex, the issue is the patches are relly out of date
[00:14] <ILikeUnity7> YankDownUnder, YES!
[00:15] <badcatalex> also, how do I use the file?
[00:15] <Fasort> YankDownUnder, and useless competition.. *coughs* mate and gnome *gnome*
[00:15] <ricochet00> hello, I'm looking for a strange network issue.  after upgrading to 16.10, I can ping yahoo.com, but can't ping github.com.  In addition, I had to bring up the interface manually (enp6s0) with ifconfig.  Could this be a ipv6 issue?
[00:15] <Dwarf> ILikeUnity7: https://github.com/deadalnix/pixel-saver
[00:15] <Dwarf> ricochet00: Try pinging an IP address instead of a resolving domain
[00:15] <YankDownUnder> ricochet00: Have you checked your DNS settings?
[00:16] <badcatalex> gogeta, also, how do I use the file?
[00:16] <badcatalex> *files
[00:16] <ricochet00> Dwarf: when I ping githubs's ip address, it says Network Unreachable
[00:16] <DF3D2> having a weird issue trying to troubleshoot something, I set a lan client to ping an ubuntu vm that has UFW installed
[00:16] <DF3D2> UFW does not seem to log ANY incoming connections even tho log level is set to high ?
[00:16] <ILikeUnity7> Dwarf, not sure about Pixel Saver, I want the menus to be in the top bar
[00:16] <DF3D2> it should be logging a steady flow of ping requests
[00:16] <DF3D2> the pings are going through
[00:16] <Dwarf> ILikeUnity7: That's what pixel saver does, no?
[00:16] <DF3D2> and I have an allow LAN rule that seems to work
[00:17] <Dwarf> ricochet00: Funny enough, yahoo has a AAAA record, whereas github does not. So it sounds like your IPv4 isn't working and your IPv6 is
[00:18] <cores> dwarf is an object file format
[00:18] <Dwarf> I'm for debugging
[00:19] <ILikeUnity7> I think the internet problem can be fixed with the command in my next message:
[00:19] <ILikeUnity7> sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[00:19] <ILikeUnity7> I've used it before.
[00:19] <ricochet00> Dwarf, guess my guess was correct.  I configured the interface with 'ifconfig enp6s0 10.0.0.225 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255'
[00:20] <ricochet00> dwarf: I'm not sure what to do
[00:21] <ILikeUnity7> Here's my bash script for fixing problems with wifi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24397459/
[00:21] <ILikeUnity7> Run with sudo
[00:22] <[[thufir]]> how do I install wildfly app server with umake?
[00:23] <ricochet00> Dwarf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24397469/  here's the ifconfig output for the interface
[00:26] <zephyr8965> Anybody in here know how to improve bluetooth headset issues in Ubuntu?  I'm on 17.04 MATE 64-bit and I keep getting crackling sound and about 0.5 - 1.0 seconds latency on sound.
[00:26] <zephyr8965> I had it working nicely earlier with a system reboot, but it seems like the issue built right back up. :(
[00:28] <ricochet00> YankDownUnder: any idea why the interface (dos resolver) would only be using ipv6 (outside the local network)
[00:28] <zephyr8965> Update: Switching to HSP/HFP then back to A2DP seems to get it back on track for a random amount of time (seconds to minutes to hours), but I'm hoping to get it to just stay working well. :(
[00:29] <energizer> I need help with my graphics card.
[00:30] <energizer> Whenever I wake from sleep all my window borders are totally messed up, showing basically rainbow white noise all along them
[00:36] <mattpalermo> energizer: I am certainly no expert on this, but perhaps I can start off by asking what OS you are using and what graphics driver are you using.
[00:39] <energizer> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24397526/
[00:39] <energizer> 16.10
[00:39] <energizer> mattpalermo: ^
[00:39] <DF3D2> you need to install the driver
[00:40] <energizer> DF3D2: what do you mean
[00:40] <brawell> hello
[00:41] <brawell> ok}
[00:44] <ricochet00> anyone?  why would networking.service (journalctl - xb) say: unknown interface enp6s0 ?  I can ifconfig it, and bring it up and down.
[00:44] <energizer> DF3D2: did you mean something by your comment?
[00:45] <DF3D2> yes install the driver lol
[00:45] <energizer> DF3D2: what makes you think its not
[00:45] <energizer> already installed
[00:46] <sage__> hi
[00:46] <Bashing-om> DF3D2: energizer "configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0" A Nvidia driver is installed :)
[00:46] <zephyr8965> x.x Google has failed me....
[00:47] <DF3D2> ah I didn't look close enough
[00:47] <DF3D2> lol
[00:47] <sage__> does anyone else have a thinkpad/
[00:47] <energizer> anyway, what do i do now?
[00:47] <energizer> sage__: yes
[00:48] <sage__> i just got mine and i love it
[00:48] <energizer> good
[00:48] <Bashing-om> energizer: A thought , What is the GUI like when logged in from the guest account ?
[00:49] <energizer> Bashing-om: you mean sleep, wake, switch user to guest?
[00:50] <Bashing-om> energizer: That should work . IF the GUI is good there, then you have a config issue in "your" user space .
[00:51] <energizer> ok will test
[01:04] <thingfish> I'm having an issue where my IRC connection ping timeouts after a period of time, usually about an hour into chatting.  I don't think it's a setting in the client, since I've tried two different clients and I see the same thing happening in both (pidgin and quassel).
[01:04] <thingfish> it's not happening in Windows.
[01:05] <mattrpalermo> thingfish: Damn, that must make getting support on IRC difficult ^^
[01:05] <thingfish> it didn't happen in previous versions of Ubuntu either.
[01:05] <BigMac> Ubuntu isnt a serious distribution.
[01:05] <BigMac> Its filled with unnecessary stuff for the more.. uneducated users.
[01:06] <pd007> there are uneducated users inside my ubuntu? :o
[01:06] <mattrpalermo> thingfish: Do other network related program have similar problems?
[01:06] <BigMac> Ubuntu users are mostly dual-booters.
[01:06] <BigMac> IF YOU GET MY MEANING
[01:06] <thingfish> mattrpalermo: no, they don't.
[01:06] <BigMac> "MICROSOFT FAN BOYS"
[01:06] <badcatalex> Not me!
[01:07] <BigMac> Ubuntu is slower than XP
[01:07] <badcatalex> Also, I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff.
[01:07] <bazhang> BigMac, take the chatter elsewhere
[01:07] <pd007> whats your point BigMac?
[01:08] <badcatalex> I'm on Ubuntu 17.04
[01:08] <BigMac> @pd007 that windows xp is better than ubuntu
[01:08] <finisterra_> I'm having trouble getting touchscreen working out of the box
[01:08] <bazhang> BigMac, thats enough, this is support only NOT chat
[01:08] <BigMac> so what
[01:08] <BigMac> ban me
[01:08] <BigMac> for telling the TRUTH
[01:08] <BigMac> ALEX JONES
[01:08] <BigMac> WAS HERE
[01:08] <BigMac> #infowars
[01:09] <pd007> finisterra_, : whats the problem? hard to halp without any info
[01:09] <mattrpalermo> thingfish: Damn, that's difficult. Have you tried posting to either Ask Ubuntu or Ubuntu forums? Perhaps they might have some ideas.
[01:09] <finisterra_> pd007, I ran xinput but touchscreen doesn't pop up in list
[01:10] <thingfish> mattrpalermo: no, just now starting to look for answers.  I'll check them out, though, thanks.
[01:10] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on info.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:10] <badcatalex> *help.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <pd007> finisterra_, : the hdmi+usb kind of touchscreen or some laptop build in screen?
[01:11] <thingfish> it doesn't really seem to be related to activity level, either.
[01:11] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:12] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:13] <finisterra_> that's just it. I dunno if its usb or serial. I tried the lsusb with nothing listed for touchsreen then with serial tried screen /dev/ttsy0 all the way up to 20 and nothing
[01:13] <finisterra_> it's a laptop
[01:13] <finisterra_> toshiba portege m750
[01:14] <finisterra_> pd007, thanks for the help
[01:14] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:15] <quidnunc> I'm getting intermittent DNS lookup failures after installing 17.04. What gives?
[01:15] <mattrpalermo> I can't wait to get a system76 machine *day dreams of the Lemur*
[01:15] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:15] <thingfish> I don't know, call it a hunch maybe if you want, but badcatalex, I bet that mindlessly repeating yourself is not the way to get assistance in this or any other channel.
[01:16] <badcatalex> I'm just desprate
[01:17] <thingfish> did you try installing drivers for it using the Additional Software tab in Software and Updates?
[01:17] <badcatalex> It is unlisted there
[01:17] <thingfish> oh bummer
[01:17] <finisterra_> pd007, I missread your question. It is a built-in touchscreen for laptiop. Not usb plugin
[01:17] <pd007> finisterra_, : but the screen works out of the box? just the input is missing?
[01:17] <badcatalex> Someone else tried to help me, but it went nowhere
[01:18] <finisterra_> pd007, yeah. screen is working. No touch function
[01:18] <badcatalex> want my lspci?
[01:18] <thingfish> well, maybe it's just a bad time of day and none of the channel gurus are active.
[01:19] <thingfish> nah, I got stuff to do.
[01:19] <thingfish> just thought I'd poke my head in here and see if I could get some ideas.
[01:19] <thingfish> good luck
[01:19] <mattrpalermo> thingfish :(
[01:20] <thingfish> thanks for your help, mattrpalermo :)
[01:20] <mattrpalermo> thingfish :)
[01:22] <homeless> Does anyone know anything about chromium and uninstalling it?
[01:30] <mattrpalermo> homeless: You should be able to do this from the software center
[01:33] <badcatalex> Any linux gurus here?
[01:33] <oldschool^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPjN6N8TgNI
[01:33] <w9qbj> badcatalex: YES, but what's it you need?
[01:33] <badcatalex> I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:34] <jamesd> dialup is out of date ;-)
[01:35] <badcatalex> I'm using it to use a BBS that is dial-up only
[01:37] <zero_> Question - Is Ubuntu vanilla the only flavor that comes with a "master" scaling option for high res displays?
[01:37] <zephyr8965> I'm back. Client crashed.  Still looking for help getting my bluetooth headphones to stop lagging. x.x
[01:38] <zephyr8965> Any help would be much appreciated.
[01:38] <badcatalex> Repeat: I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:41] <badcatalex> Repeat: I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:43] <Bashing-om> xer0: HiDPI ? " Not all software behaves well in high-resolution mode yet. Here are listed most common tweaks which make work on a HiDPI screen more pleasant." :: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI .
[01:43] <finisterra_> how do I list names in this Polari program
[01:43] <thinkingmanjaro> i was running solus then fedora. Both suffered the same bug with my motherboard (Asrock Z87extreme4), if I have my headphones connected to the front port, and my speakers to the green lineout in the back fedora and solus couldn't see my speakers. Only if I unplugged my headphones. This is annoying as it caused me to put a lot of wear on my headphon
[01:43] <thinkingmanjaro> es 3.5mm jack from 2-3 times daily unplugging it in and out. In Windows I never encountered this issue. I'm unsure if its pulseaudio related or what.
[01:44] <thinkingmanjaro> Anyone had a similar bug happen to them in ubuntu?
[01:44] <thinkingmanjaro> Thinking of trying it to avoid that annoying audio bug.
[01:45] <badcatalex> Repeat: I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:45] <zero_> Thanks Bashing-om
[01:46] <Bashing-om> zero_: :)
[01:48] <Vbits> Hello, I was having issues with my Dell XPS 9550 running Ubuntu 17.04 remounting the root file-system read-only unexpectedly yesterday. I finally managed to get dmesg logs last time it happened. I have since rebooted though. The relevant dmesg logs are at https://gist.github.com/Vbitz/a1e21e661d5bb5d3ff0e7ad40b3ebeba
[01:48] <badcatalex> Repeat: I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:49] <finisterra_> OK. so new question. My touchscreen does not come up when I type xinput...
[01:49] <j4ckcom> how can i install monaco-font, i can’t install like this : https://github.com/cstrap/monaco-font
[01:49] <finisterra_> should I be reinstalling Ubuntu gnonme? or a diff disctro?
[01:49] <Ben64> j4ckcom: download the font, double click, install
[01:50] <j4ckcom> can you give me link?
[01:50] <j4ckcom> Ben64:
[01:50] <Ben64> its on the page you linked
[01:50] <badcatalex> Repeat: I need help getting my Conexant PCI Modem Card working for BBS stuff on Ubuntu 17.04. The page on dial-up on help.ubuntu.com is out of date.
[01:50] <Ben64> !repeat | badcatalex
[01:51] <j4ckcom> ok thanks Ben64
[01:54] <blacknight> are u checked chipset nameś?
[01:55] <blacknight> of your moden card
[01:58] <FManTropyx> I have dfsg
[02:00] <FManTropyx> things are being uninstalled
[02:01] <j4ckcom> using ubuntu on latop directly or vmware, which is best choice?
[02:01] <FManTropyx> I suppose it depends on what you are looking for
[02:01] <blacknight> normaly u can check for info of this chipset
[02:02] <FManTropyx> DKMS was uninstalled
[02:02] <FManTropyx> "Unknown media type"
[02:03] <blacknight> check on synaptic  for more support
[02:04] <blacknight> sorry im not a profesional just a newbie programer
[02:05] <blacknight> and  u check unsupported drivers ?
[02:05] <pd007> j4ckcom: depends on what you intend to do
[02:06] <j4ckcom> pd007: i just want to use unbuntu only.
[02:06] <j4ckcom> :)
[02:06] <j4ckcom> then how can i do?
[02:06] <blacknight> best on pc
[02:06] <j4ckcom> using vm is not good idea?
[02:06] <felyeni> Hi
[02:07] <blacknight> its more charge  for pc
[02:07] <pd007> you need something to run the "vm" on. that would be some kind of operating system
[02:07] <blacknight> u are runnig 2 machines
[02:07] <pd007> j4ckcom: just install ubuntu on your machine
[02:07] <j4ckcom> directly? pd007 ?
[02:07] <blacknight> just need 30 gb
[02:07] <pd007> yes, why not? if you do not need something else
[02:08] <j4ckcom> most hacker use ubuntu?
[02:08] <jamesd> ubuntu in a vm, if you want a CLI interface.. its not as useful and fast if you want a gui
[02:08] <jamesd> j4ckcom: first define hacker... second a real hacker can use the OS of there choice and that may not be ubuntu.
[02:09] <blacknight> and u can use a win or another OS in a vm in ubuntu
[02:09] <j4ckcom> not ubuntu jamesd :(
[02:09] <j4ckcom> ubuntu have vm too?
[02:09] <FManTropyx> real hackers use one of those penetration systems
[02:09] <bazhang> !ot > FManTropyx
[02:10] <pd007> j4ckcom: have a look at virtualbox, or kvm or xen
[02:10] <FManTropyx> hmph
[02:10] <j4ckcom> pd007: how about vmware?
[02:10] <blacknight> real hacker use a custom linux
[02:10] <blacknight> i think
[02:10] <bazhang> blacknight, lets stay on topic please
[02:11] <blacknight> ok
[02:11] <pratyush> is there any chat channel for zorin?
[02:11] <j4ckcom> custom linux lol
[02:11] <bazhang> #zorinos pratyush
[02:11] <pratyush> thanks
[02:13] <samuraiSwing45> Am I welcome? 1st ubuntu install 1st IRC msg
[02:13] <pd007> j4ckcom: don't knwo of vmware and linux...google it ;) and why lol? to run a kernel with some custom things around will teach you more that www.crazyhackes.comnetde ever will...
[02:13] <PipeItToDevNull> samuraiSwing45, Hello
[02:13] <blacknight> hello samuraiSing45 and welcome
[02:13] <blacknight> congratulations
[02:14] <j4ckcom> pd007: i can’t open that site
[02:14] <samuraiSwing45> thx blacknight!!!
[02:14] <sere> whats more stable.. ubuntu or debian? i have been using debian for amonth now and alot of stuff that was working in ubuntu is not working in debian
[02:15] <blacknight> normaly debian
[02:15] <blacknight> but i dont have any problem with my ubuntu
[02:16] <blacknight> its works  with all that i want
[02:16] <sere> blacknight: thats what i thought and why i switched but having fix alot of stuff i normally wouldnt with ubuntu... i miss my custom minimal install :x
[02:17] <samuraiSwing45> love kali but went crazy installing it but it was fun.
[02:18] <samuraiSwing45> with ubuntu it was pretty straight foward
[02:18] <blacknight> with katooling u can install kaly soft on ubuntu
[02:19] <Ben64> bad idea
[02:19] <blacknight> katolin sorry
[02:19] <Ben64> also not on topic here
[02:19] <blacknight> ok
[02:19] <sere> thats why your not a whiteknight
[02:21] <blacknight> i take the blacknight from monty python  was an amazing film
[02:21] <__Yiota> hey guys I need urgent help
[02:22] <__Yiota> my CTO rebooted both of our google cloud engine nodes
[02:22] <__Yiota> all the data appears to have dissapeared (I can only see my user + ubuntu user)
[02:22] <bazhang> blacknight, please, we ask again to stay on topic
[02:22] <bazhang> blacknight, the chit chat is NOT this one
[02:22] <__Yiota> I checked df -h and the result is: /dev/sda1        49G  1.1G   48G   3% /
[02:23] <__Yiota> it should normally be at ~20 gigs or so
[02:23] <__Yiota> our devops person is away on vacation
[02:23] <bazhang> blacknight, #ubuntu-offtopic for the random chatter
[02:24] <blacknight> ok thanks and sorry
[02:24] <YankDownUnder> __Yiota: So has anyone checked to see if all the "disk storage" was online as well - because that is what it would appear...that storage is not online (or at least completely online)
[02:24] <__Yiota> is there a cli command for that? YankDownUnder
[02:25] <YankDownUnder> __Yiota: I have no idea how your system is setup, so, I can't honestly answer that question.
[02:26] <YankDownUnder> __Yiota: You'd want to have SOME type of "check list" for when the system is shut down or rebooted - do y'all have anything like that?
[02:26] <pd007> __Yiota, rebooted or shutdown - restarted?
[02:27] <__Yiota> we have consul to check for healthchecks
[02:29] <__Yiota> but of course it's gone
[02:30] <__Yiota> pd007 the node was rebooted via the google web api
[02:31] <YankDownUnder> __Yiota: You might want to take this into the #ubuntu-server channel.
[02:32] <YankDownUnder> __Yiota: What you describe - or really, what LITTLE you're describing, isn't very helpful...so you might want to "get all the facts" in order...
[02:32] <pd007> __Yiota, check if your config files are still there or if that machine is "clean"
[02:32] <__Yiota> the machine is clean
[02:33] <__Yiota> all I see is the cloudinit log saying that the VM was created
[02:33] <__Yiota> that is, everything is gone
[02:35] <alphaandomega_> AΩ
[02:37] <vishy> I'm trying to use gdisk for repairing gpt disk
[02:40] <vishy> Have a look https://pastebin.com/KdyAsVbe
[02:46] <alphaandomega_> you got the disk? choose B
[02:46] <alphaandomega_> you pressed P and it printed the shit out son
[02:49] <pd007>  __Yiota that seems like a problem for the google support
[02:50] <pd007> better to call you devops guy in his holiday! ;)
[02:51] <edgy1> Hello, I have Ubuntu Edgy Eft (because I want to) with gnome 2 and I'm wondering if it is possible, when i am customizing the panels, to have the text white instead of black (works better if i use a brownish/black color)
[02:53] <pd007> edgy1, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-font-color-in-gnome-panels.html
[02:53] <alphaandomega_> Gnome 2 has many themes. http://www.linuxnov.com/top-30-dark-gnome-themes-gtk-2-x/ heres a list of 30 of them
[02:53] <alphaandomega_> if it's not there contact the developer of your choice
[02:54] <alphaandomega_> or do it yourself with what pd007 posted
[02:54] <edgy1> thank you @pd007
[02:55] <edgy1> white is #00000 right?
[02:55] <edgy1> I mean #000000
[02:56] <FManTropyx> for me that is black
[02:56] <strive> edgy1: Hex?
[02:56] <strive> edgy1: I believe that's #FFFFFF
[02:57] <edgy1> ok thank you
[02:57] <strive> yw
[02:58] <edgy1> im going to log out brb
[02:58] <sere> alphaandomega_: ty i love dark themes :)
[03:00] <edgy1> uh it keeps changing it back to how it was before
[03:01] <edgy1> it changes it to :   include "/home/james/.gtkrc.mine"
[03:02] <sere> edgy1: white if #ffffff / dark is #000
[03:03] <hdon_> hi all :) i've got a weird bug between gcc/gdb on xenial: https://gist.github.com/hdon/3f96a8a6b67e078e0213660ec6245677
[03:03] <edgy1> I did #ffffff
[03:04] <edgy1> however, it automatically switches to how it is before
[03:04] <edgy1> actually it might be cloning it: james@thinkpad:~$ ls .gtk*
[03:04] <edgy1> .gtk-bookmarks     .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2~     .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2.old~ .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2  .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2.old
[03:06] <alphaandomega_>  is Android really all Linux runtime?
[03:16] <hdon_> alphaandomega_: linux is the kernel
[03:17] <alphaandomega_> Ah. is WebOS still running?
[03:26] <generic> my firefox keeps crashing
[03:27] <lucas_> oi
[03:27] <lucas_> hi
[03:27] <generic> says something sync encountered login error
[03:28] <lucas_> oi
[03:28] <partyline> hello i got a wittel problem i just install ubuntu mate 17 but my mouse not working on laptop
[03:29] <alphaandomega_> when you used windows, what was your mouse driver?
[03:30] <partyline> well i dont remmeber
[03:31] <partyline> but in win work pefrect no i just connect usb mouse
[03:31] <partyline> i mean mouse pad wher is in laptop
[03:34] <alphaandomega_> U gotta know what driver it is
[03:34] <alphaandomega_> so you can search it
[03:34] <alphaandomega_> and then download it
[03:35] <partyline> how to see wgat driver i need
[03:35] <PipeItToDevNull> Is it just a random cheap mouse or something special?
[03:35] <partyline> when i dont have any win install
[03:35] <alphaandomega_> Pipe help him out I'm off to sleep
[03:35] <alphaandomega_> GN
[03:36] <awesomess3> How do you make the Windows XP login/start-up sound when the desktop or ubuntu logo shows up?
[03:36] <generic> apt-get install pimp
[03:37] <uxfi> hi awesomess3
[03:38] <partyline> E: Unable to locate package pimp
[03:38] <awesomess3> uxfi: help me answer this evil question.
[03:38] <generic> apt-cow fcuk firefox
[03:39] <generic> i am really not interested in sending crash logs all day long
[03:39] <generic> fucking shit of a program is almost dragging the kernel down
[03:40] <generic> and shows no nothing except sync encountered a login error on ubuntu
[03:40] <uxfi> awesomess3 http://www.techgainer.com/how-to-disable-or-change-ubuntu-startup-sound-at-login-screen/
[03:41] <generic> let alone what panopticlick.eff.org shows
[03:41] <generic> UNIQE
[03:41] <generic> UUUUU
[03:42] <PipeItToDevNull> partyline, I said keep it here. First you said a mouse was not working now it is a touchpad?
[03:43] <marcoraz> hi guys.. i added official qbittorrent stable ppa, but i am not getting the latest 3.3.12 version. i can only install 3.3.7 from ubuntu repo. this is the ppa - https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-stable
[03:43] <partyline> touchpad
 but in win work pefrect no i just connect usb mouse
[03:43] <thereyougo> if I login remotely to ubuntu, how to find out what ubuntu version  is it ? cat /etc/motd ? cat /dev/version ? anything else ?
[03:44] <Bashing-om> thereyougo: ' cat /etc/issue ' .
[03:44] <awesomess3> uxfi: yaaaay https://ia601004.us.archive.org/5/items/MicrosoftWindowsXPStartupSound/Microsoft%20Windows%20XP%20Startup%20Sound.ogg
[03:44] <jamesd> lsb_release -a
[03:45] <uxfi> awesomess3  that works
[03:45] <partyline> genetic i trying to run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[03:46] <partyline> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is already the newest version (1.9.0-1ubuntu1)
[03:47] <generic> take mouse and swipe touchpad
[03:51] <partyline> is unoing to use usb mouse
[03:58] <learninglinux> hello all
[04:01] <marcoraz>  hi guys.. i added official qbittorrent stable ppa, but i am not getting the latest 3.3.12 version. i can only install 3.3.7 from ubuntu repo. this is the ppa - https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-stable
[04:03] <awesomess3> marcoraz: `apt-cache show qbittorrent`
[04:05] <marcoraz> awesomess3: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24398413/
[04:07] <awesomess3> marcoraz: omg you used paste.ubuntu.com!  *claps*
[04:08] <awesomess3> marcoraz: ok now `sudo apt-get update` and hopefully your ppa url will show up and update in the output to stdout.
[04:09] <awesomess3> stdout = console output from the command you executed which happens to be `sudo apt-get update'
[04:09] <awesomess3> and I know how everyone is gonna love to say that stderr goes out too.
[04:09] <strive> No pressure awesomess3 :)
[04:12] <marcoraz> awesomess3: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24398562/ ... I have updated many time now. but there seems to be no update for qbittorrent.
[04:16] <acresearch> people i used to use ubuntu and VPN was working perfectly, i am now using debian but when i connect through VPN (the vpn work fine) but the internet freezez, (it returns when i severe the VPN connection),,, what is different between ubuntu and debian in this aspect?
[04:17] <awesomess3> marcoraz: if you open `sudo synaptic` you can see the tab where you can view packages from sources, in this case your launchpad ppa source. http://ppa.launchpad.net/qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz only shows python-libtorrent python3-libtorrent libtorrent-rasterbar8  primarily
[04:17] <awesomess3> as the packages you can download from this ppa
[04:18] <awesomess3> marcoraz: you can download the source package though:   qbittorrent
[04:18] <awesomess3> marcoraz: http://ppa.launchpad.net/qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/source/Sources.gz
[04:19] <awesomess3> marcoraz: however, I'm on Trusty....and _I_ can download the binary, hahahahaha qbittorrent http://ppa.launchpad.net/qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[04:20] <awesomess3> Version: 3.3.12-0ppa1~trusty1
[04:21] <awesomess3> I should email them and tell them those poor zesty people need binary packages too ;c
[04:21] <marcoraz> awesomess3: so that means they probably haven't build one for zesty yet? I think I'm gonna wait for the binary package lol.. thanks for helping me out.:)
[04:21] <awesomess3> especially since zesty is so much newer than trusty
[04:21] <marcoraz> haha you that brother
[04:22] <awesomess3> But they have other binary packages for zesty, and qbittorrent is ............. not there?
[04:22] <awesomess3> That makes no sense.
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> !info qbittorrent
[04:23] <awesomess3> OMG even yakkety has it
[04:23] <marcoraz> this here says https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-stable/+packages build failed for yakkety and zesty.. maybe some problem then.
[04:23] <awesomess3> http://ppa.launchpad.net/qbittorrent-team/qbittorrent-stable/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[04:24] <awesomess3> oooh
[04:24] <awesomess3> I see.........
[04:25] <marcoraz> that is why new and shiny is not always nice i guess..
[04:25] <marcoraz> poor us zesty people
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !latest | marcoraz
[04:26] <awesomess3> lotuspsychje: this is ppa.................
[04:26] <awesomess3> or wait..
[04:26] <awesomess3> marcoraz: was talking about zesty in general
[04:26] <awesomess3> Or specifically
[04:26] <awesomess3> for this fucking package
[04:27] <awesomess3> oops I sweared
[04:27] <gogeta> lol
[04:27] <marcoraz> lol
[04:27] <gogeta> best stick to lts if you dont like things broken
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> awesomess3: please mind the language, and we dont support ppa's here
[04:29] <aavrug> I am running df -h on my system and getting /dev/sda1 is 97% used I want to clear some data but unable to access it any idea?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> aavrug: clean system with bleachbit
[04:29] <aavrug> I am trying to access it through terminal
[04:30] <jonfen> aavrug: is it a usb flash drive?  maybe it is read-only?
[04:31] <aavrug> jonfen, It is the Hard disk partition and I don't think because it is read-only that's why unable to access it
[04:31] <aavrug> It is in yellow color I guess that means it is not a directory
[04:32] <Bashing-om> aavrug: What does the tool 'ncdu' tell you about disk usage and where you need to focus your attention ?
[04:32] <awesomess3> lotuspsychje: fantastic idea! To clean the data in the mounted filesystem, let's install more software!
[04:33] <acresearch> people i used to use ubuntu and VPN was working perfectly, i am now using debian but when i connect through VPN (the vpn work fine) but the internet freezez, (it returns when i severe the VPN connection),,, what is different between ubuntu and debian in this aspect?
[04:33] <jonfen> "sudo fdisk -l" would be good information too
[04:33] <aavrug> Bashing-om, because I am running out of space unable to install it
[04:33] <jonfen> acresearch: is the vpn assigning the same subnet as your LAN?
[04:34] <acresearch> jonfen: i don't know, what do you mean?
[04:34] <aavrug> jonfen, I executed that command but unable to understand
[04:34] <aavrug> All in bytes
[04:35] <jonfen> VPN assigns DHCP info, same as your LAN.  If they are on the same subnet, they will conflict, and the symptom is no internet.
[04:35] <jonfen> aavrug: what was the "Type" for /dev/sda1
[04:35] <Bashing-om> aavrug: Is the file system presently "read only " ? if not might try ' sudo apt clean ; sudo apt autoremove ' see if that gets ya some operating head room .
[04:36] <aavrug> Bashing-om, already tried
[04:36] <acresearch> jonfen: hmmm, how can i diagnose this? i connect to vpn in the terminal through openconnect
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> awesomess3: no reason to be ironic...bleachbit can free up gigs of space on full systems
[04:36] <jonfen> acresearch: ifconfig will tell you what ip address you are getting for the vpn and the lan
[04:37] <Bashing-om> aavrug: 'dpkg -l | grep linux- ' maube remove the old kernels ?
[04:37] <aavrug> jonfen, block special file
[04:38] <acresearch> jonfen: hmmm, there is no ifconfig in debian, i cannot install it (is it propreitry? or restrictd to ubuntu only?)
[04:38] <awesomess3> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. what's that package that installs gcc and stuff???
[04:38] <awesomess3> what's the name of it?
[04:38] <freddyP> sudo apt get net-tools     should install ifconfig
[04:38] <awesomess3> basename?
[04:38] <acresearch> freddyP: oh ok
[04:39] <awesomess3> base-gcc-system?
[04:39] <awesomess3> omg
[04:39] <awesomess3> fuuuuuudge
[04:39] <cybertek> hey does anyone remember the name of that service you can run that you can allow or deny all traffic or specific IP's through, it acts like a wrapper for services such as mail
[04:39] <Bashing-om> !info gcc5 xenial
[04:39] <jonfen> acresearch: ip addr
[04:39] <acresearch> jonfen: its ok i got ifconfig like freddyP said
[04:40] <jonfen> acresearch: or you can install the net-tools package
[04:40] <freddyP> tcpwrappers
[04:40] <acresearch> jonfen: ok got ifconfig, what should i be looking at?
[04:40] <aavrug> Bashing-om, How to identify which is old modules there a re a lot in result
[04:41] <jonfen> acresearch: it will list the network information for each of your devices, you will need to figure out which one is your wireless/wired connection and which one is your vpn
[04:41] <jonfen> acresearch: inet 10.0.0.251  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 10.0.0.255
[04:42] <awesomess3> build-essential  !!!
[04:42] <jonfen> using that example, if they both start with the same three octets 10.0.0
[04:42] <acresearch> jonfen: i have eth0 (ethernet correct?) i have wireless turned off,, what is lo?
[04:42] <jonfen> then you have a conflict
[04:42] <freddyP> lo is loopback
[04:43] <acresearch> jonfen: ohhh
[04:43] <acresearch> thanks freddyP
[04:43] <jonfen> eth0 is your wired ethernet
[04:44] <Bashing-om> aavrug: ' uname -r ' keep this one and one other . the rest you may safely remove with apt or dpkg .
[04:44] <acresearch> jonfen: so i should compare the inet/bcast/mask IPs?
[04:44] <Bashing-om> !info gcc-5 xenial
[04:45] <jonfen> acresearch: if you just compare the ip addresses (inet) you should have a clear answer.
[04:45] <acresearch> jonfen: ok,,, i will connect to my VPN and do that, i will be back in 2 minutes, VPN cutes my irc
[04:45] <sware> Hello. I'm trying to rsync to my raspberry pi within an ubuntu vm but after my latest vm creation I get broken pipe constantly. I tried setting the ServerTimeoutInterval but it's still giving me broken pipes.
[04:45] <sware> Does anyone have any suggestions? I read in one place it might be the rsync version?
[04:46] <Bashing-om> awesomess3: ^^ gcc-5 ??
[04:46] <jonfen> aavrug: i am not sure how to access a block special file, but that would be something to start googling
[04:47] <freddyP> aavrug; If it is an application aware firewall you are looking for check out this thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/135135/alternative-to-little-snitch-app-firewall
[04:50] <anthony-kaus> hello?
[04:50] <strive> Hi.
[04:50] <acresearch> jonfen: ok i tested it, inet and tun0 are different
[04:50] <acresearch> jonfen: tottally different IPs
[04:50] <anthony-kaus> Any1 play assault cube?
[04:51] <jonfen> do you have control over the vpn?
[04:51] <acresearch> jonfen: what type of control?
[04:51] <jonfen> acresearch: can you change the configuration
[04:52] <jonfen> on the server side
[04:52] <awesomess3> Bashing-om: For 14.04 it gets gcc 4.4.3
[04:52] <acresearch> i don't think so, unless i can change something from my computer... it is my university VPN, i do not own it
[04:53] <jonfen> is it openvpn?
[04:53] <freddyP> acresearch: most universities provide instructions to access their vpn servers
[04:53] <acresearch> jonfen: no openconnect
[04:53] <jonfen> i agree with freddyP, let them know that the vpn is not using remote dns.
[04:53] <acresearch> freddyP: yes, but mine 1. has instructions for windows only, 2. uses cisco which caters for windows only (maybe mac) but not linux
[04:54] <jonfen> mac will be close
[04:54] <Bashing-om> awesomess3: trusty: Package gcc-4.4 >>> 4.4.7-8ubuntu1: amd64 armhf i386 powerpc .
[04:54] <acresearch> but freddyP jonfen the VPN worked perfectly in ubuntu, it is not working perfectly in debian,,, what is the difference?
[04:54] <freddyP> acresearch: does this help  https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/saucy/openconnect/
[04:55] <acresearch> freddyP: hmmm interesting, i should looking into it
[04:55] <acresearch> freddyP: oh yes, i am already using openconnect :-)
[04:55] <jonfen> you did mention that, sorry.  it is probably your config file
[04:56] <awesomess3> Bashing-om: really? I see 4.8.2-1ubuntu6
[04:56] <jonfen> i haven't set up openconnect, so i am not sure
[04:56] <acresearch> jonfen: hmmm
[04:56] <jonfen> are you using a window manager at all?
[04:56] <acresearch> where is the config file i'll try to compare debian with ubuntu
[04:56] <acresearch> jonfen: i am in gnome3, is that what you mean?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> awesomess3: PPA? as : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcc-4.4&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all says other wise .
[04:58] <jonfen> acresearch: you might want to try: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
[04:59] <jonfen> sudo apt-get install network-manager
[05:00] <awesomess3> Bashing-om: well actually ....... build-essential goes after a gcc >= 4.4 and the `gcc' package is currently at 4.8.2-1ubuntu6 for Trusty.
[05:00] <acresearch> jonfen: ok i will look into this, but before i go on reading i want to mention a specific issue.   in ubuntu when i setup my VPN my IP address does NOT change (i checked) i can even access websites that are restricted at the university (it is like the vpn is only going through the TERMINAL and not any other application) is my observation in the right place?
[05:01] <jonfen> you still keep your ip, but you get another one via the vpn
[05:02] <Bashing-om> awesomess3: true : 4:4.8.2-1ubuntu6: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el for gcc .
[05:02] <acresearch> jonfen: hmmmm, but i can access the internet as if i am home and not uni (the university blocks some websites and IRC) but i can still connect to them even after i setup the VPN
[05:03] <acresearch> jonfen: hmmm so i get 2 IPs,   maybe this is not the case here in debian?
[05:04] <jonfen> that is a vpn thing, i bet if you look at ubuntu you will see the same
[05:04] <acresearch> jonfen: oh
[05:05] <jonfen> because you are bridging two networks, so you have two different DHCP settings.
[05:05] <acresearch> jonfen: ohhhh ok i think i am getting it now
[05:08] <jonfen> the problem is that for some reason, and you are right is is probably client side, when you connect to the vpn, it is probably using the vpn's DNS servers, instead of the ones on your local network to resolve sites.
[05:10] <acresearch> jonfen: where can i go to see the difference or change configurations?
[05:18] <jonfen> acresearch: i am not sure.  /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[05:23] <mihael_k33hl> Hello, I'm currently using Ubuntu Budgie and messed it up, how do I reset the desktop to its default settings?
[05:34] <ukhan> I want to create a image, using docker file, which when I run it should take me to my jupyter notebook. really appreciate, if anyone could help
[05:50] <roko> How can I make a directory writeable for all users?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | roko
[05:52] <coder-bts> hi, I just updated to Ubuntu 17.04. But my network and DNS Sever went in worng
[05:52] <coder-bts> does anyone know how to set dns server in ubuntu 17.04?
[05:53] <coder-bts> I;ve heard that there's something difference on DNS setting between 17.04 and 16.10
[05:53] <roko> lotuspsychje: So if I chmod 777 <directory> does it give write permission to all users in the system
[05:55] <coder-bts> anyone can help me? I can not connect to most website now.
[05:55] <coder-bts> and the dns setting is not working
[05:57] <shadow-x> @coder-bts, try sudo echo '8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf
[05:57] <ukhan> I want to create a image, using docker file, which when I run it should take me to my jupyter notebook. really appreciate, if anyone could help
[05:58] <immu> how do i make my fat32 partition as write also /dev/sda6
[05:58] <shadow-x> sudo echo 'nameserver 8.8.4.4' >> /etc/resolv.conf
[05:58] <shadow-x> typo:  sudo echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf
[05:58] <coder-bts> tried
[05:58] <coder-bts> shadow-x: all dns setting does not work
[05:58] <freddyP> coder-bts in your ipv4 settings add open dns  208.67.222.222
[05:59] <freddyP> the dns resolver is not working correctly if you are using your router's ip address as your dns server
[05:59] <freddyP> opendns is working
[06:00] <freddyP> editing resolve.conf is just bandage and not a fix
[06:00] <freddyP> as that file is autogenerated
[06:00] <freddyP> and gets overwritten
[06:00] <coder-bts> wait....
[06:00] <coder-bts> shadow-x: it works!
[06:00] <coder-bts> but sometimes does not work..
[06:00] <coder-bts> weird
[06:00] <freddyP> it gets overwritten
[06:00] <coder-bts> i tried it times before
[06:01] <shadow-x> after a reboot it won't work as freddy said, it's generated..
[06:01] <coder-bts> nope
[06:01] <shadow-x> dhcpd overwrites it and point to your router mostly
[06:01] <coder-bts> i am sure it was not overwritten
[06:01] <freddyP> manualy enter open dns in the network manager
[06:01] <coder-bts> i worte a script to change it automaticly
[06:01] <shadow-x> it's better to set 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 and 4.2.2.4 in your router dns as well
[06:01] <coder-bts> and restart the service
[06:02] <coder-bts> freddyP: how?
[06:02] <shadow-x> that's a hack, i don't remember where dhcp client stores it, google around.. i'm sure there's a way to set it permanently
[06:02] <freddyP> you dont need to
[06:02] <freddyP> you just add a dns server in your ipv4 settings in your network manager. A dns server other than your router's ip
[06:03] <freddyP> no doubt ubuntu will patch this
[06:03] <freddyP> as it is a bug
[06:03] <arbiternal> Hi guys, I am running a ubuntu 15.10 with korean language installed. I was doing a System Testing Utility, then and the System Testing Utility crashed, on reboot, Ubuntu is stuck at the login screen, and whenever I log it it logs me back out, there's flash of error before it kicks me out, but I can't read it that fast. StackOverflow suggested it might be a graphics card error so I booted in safe mode but I suppose due to the local
[06:03] <arbiternal> squares
[06:04] <est31> hi there, just updated to zesty
[06:04] <arbiternal> buh
[06:04] <est31> everything runs smooth and fine, great
[06:04] <arbiternal> I don't even know what to ask
[06:04] <est31> but one thing
[06:04] <est31> apt dist-upgrade tells me it holds back an update for lldb
[06:05] <est31> because lldb depends on lldb-4.0 but that should not be installed
[06:05] <arbiternal> Jesus what's with my grammar today
[06:05] <est31> any help?
[06:06] <alkisg> (08:58:19 πμ) shadow-x: typo:  sudo echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf ==> just a note, the redirect there doesn't have sudo permissions, it can't write to resolv.conf... echo nameserver | sudo tee would work
[06:06] <Bashing-om> !15.10 | arbiternal
[06:07] <arbiternal> @ubottu roger that
[06:07] <Bashing-om> arbiternal: ^^ No access to software to effect the repair .
[06:07] <arbiternal> I dled it like 3 years ago and installed it a couple months ago, I wasn't the one using it so I didn't know it had issues until today
[06:08] <arbiternal> I guess I'll just update it to 16 or 17 then
[06:08] <shadow-x> indeed
[06:08] <arbiternal> @Bashing-om thank you as well
[06:08] <alkisg> arbiternal: ubottu is a bot, a program
[06:08] <arbiternal> ah
[06:08] <arbiternal> shit
[06:08] <arbiternal> been off irc too long
[06:08] <alkisg> We invoke it to take/tell notes
[06:08] <Bashing-om> arbiternal: Save your data and clean install the current LTS - 16.04 - .
[06:08] <arbiternal> :P
[06:09] <arbiternal> @Bashing-om alright, thanks again
[06:10] <Bashing-om> arbiternal: One can upgrade from 15.10 but, broken the results are iffy .
[06:11] <est31> seems apt remove lldb-3.8 fixed the issue
[06:11] <arbiternal> eh, like I said, I wasn't the one using it so I'll have to double check, but I think we're allowed to just do a clean install
[06:13] <arbiternal> quit
[06:13] <arbiternal> whoops, wrong window
[06:28] <no_gravity> Hello! Do you guys prefer VMware or VirtualBox?
[06:33] <Wulf> no_gravity: virtualbox, or libvirt
[06:34] <no_gravity> Wulf: What is libvirt?
[06:35] <awesomess3> no_gravity:  hmmmmmm, 30% VMware and 70% VirtualBox.
[06:36] <no_gravity> Ok, let me try VirtualBox...
[06:37] <Wulf> no_gravity: err.. never mind. I guess this is just a frontend for virtualization technologies
[06:37] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: Gnome boxes is pretty easy to use.
[06:38] <mattpalermo> Wulf: is gnome boxes just a gui wrapper for libvirt?
[06:39] <no_gravity> So I did "apt-get install virtualbox" .. but now, how do I start it?
[06:39] <no_gravity> $ virtualbox // results in: The program 'virtualbox' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install virtualbox-qt
[06:40] <no_gravity> Uhm.. what the fuck did I just install?
[06:40] <alkisg> !language
[06:40] <awesomess3> no_gravity: `dpkg -L virtualbox | grep bin`
[06:40] <alkisg> Which ubuntu version are you on?
[06:40] <Wulf> no_gravity: or try virt-manager
[06:40] <no_gravity> awesomess3: That shows me all the stuff the virtualbox image installed?
[06:41] <no_gravity> So let me try virtualbox-qt ...
[06:41] <awesomess3> c'mon virtualbox-qt!!!!!!! Fuck the manual.
[06:42] <alkisg> awesomess3: it sounds like you're using linuxmint or some other distro that doesn't enable recommends
[06:42] <alkisg> That's why the advice of this channel isn't appropriate for you
[06:43] <no_gravity> I got it running!
[06:43] <no_gravity> Now I need some OS to run inside of it...
[06:43] <awesomess3> no_gravity: you can get Windows 10 Home for $99
[06:44] <no_gravity> The last windows I booted was Win2K. Because the company I was running at that time had an old Windows PC for the graphics guy.
[06:45] <no_gravity> Can I just download any old distro iso and run it inside virtual box?
[06:45] <alkisg> New or old, sure
[06:45] <no_gravity> What could be a really slim one?
[06:45] <alkisg> How much ram do you want to give it?
[06:46] <no_gravity> alkisg: No idea.
[06:46] <alkisg> 512 mb => ubuntu mate, 128 => dsl
[06:46] <no_gravity> I just want to test the Excel viewer.
[06:46] <alkisg> It depends on how slim
[06:46] <no_gravity> dsl?
[06:46] <alkisg> Then scratch the dsl idea, go for ubuntu-mate or lubuntu
[06:46] <no_gravity> Let me try ubuntu mate...
[06:47] <no_gravity> Hmm... 64 or 32 bit?
[06:47] <alkisg> no_gravity: are you using linuxmint? you can use the same one inside vbox too
[06:47] <alkisg> Just don't use cinnamon there
[06:50] <no_gravity> Well, I am downloading Ubuntu Mate. Let's see if it runs in Virtual Box.
[06:53] <awesomess3> alkisg: what's wrong with using linuxmint w/ cinnamonominon on a virtualbox?
[06:53] <aiena> I need some help. I am working on a system where the previous developer had installed 2 version of postgres. One is installed in /opt so I presume it was compiled (v 9.4). And there is one installed by package management (v 9.3) now my PHP app is detecting only the 9.3 postgres version. How do I resolve this.
[06:55] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: What is this 'Excel viewer' you talk of? I am interested?
[06:55] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: A program by Microsoft that lets you view excel files.
[06:57] <aiena> no_gravity,  that way libre office can view excel files too
[06:57] <no_gravity> aiena: I want to debug why a certain ods spreadsheet does show errors when opened in excel.
[06:58] <no_gravity> Not sure if I have to install full blown excel for that or if the excel viewer can open ods files.
[06:58] <no_gravity> So I'm trying.
[06:58] <aiena> no_gravity, well becaue its ods and libre office and or ms words ods parsing code is buggy
[06:58] <aiena> it will be hard to diagnose on which end the issue is
[06:59] <aiena> why dont you use libreoffice on windows too
[06:59] <aiena> if your using ods
[06:59] <no_gravity> aiena: I don't need to figure out on which end the issue is. I just need to make sure our spreadsheet export exports files libreoffice and excel can open.
[06:59] <aiena> then use csv
[06:59] <aiena> but then no formulas etc. will work
[07:00] <no_gravity> Well, I could tell everybody working with the files to use ods. But if possible I would like to leave the choice open to use Excel as well.
[07:00] <aiena> no_gravity,  give people an ods option and a fallback data only csv option
[07:00] <no_gravity> aiena: That would make our workflow too complicated.
[07:00] <no_gravity> We need just one filetype everybody can work with.
[07:01] <aiena> then force users to use libreoffice with ods
[07:01] <no_gravity> We are pretty much settled on ods.
[07:01] <no_gravity> If it's possible to make the ods files usable in Excel too, that would be the best option.
[07:02] <no_gravity> ods files saved directly from libreoffice so far worked perfectly in excel.
[07:02] <aiena> it would be possible but there is no guarantee the same ods even when converted to xls etc. will behave the same way as the original
[07:02] <no_gravity> We don't convert.
[07:02] <no_gravity> We only use ods files.
[07:04] <aiena> no_gravity, 'ods files saved directly from libreoffice so far worked perfectly in excel.' that statement involves a huge amount of probability it mostly may work but suddenly you may encounter bugs. There is no guarantee the same ods file will work as well on libreOffice as on Excel also different versions introduce different bugs.
[07:05] <no_gravity> Yes, you are right with that.
[07:05] <aiena> if you want to actually try though. Just do a test in a windows VM with only the excel viewer see if it opens ods
[07:06] <aiena> ods support was only recently added by microsoft it probably will be a third class citizen compare to xlsx etc. their proprietary formats
[07:06] <no_gravity> That's why I'm downloading Ubuntu Mint.
[07:06] <no_gravity> That's why I'm downloading Ubuntu Mate.
[07:07] <no_gravity> Ah, windows VM. Yeah, that would be an option if it does not work in a linux vm.
[07:08] <awesomess3> and I'm downloading Ubuntu debian mate sauce!
[07:09] <alkisg> (09:53:00 πμ) awesomess3: alkisg: what's wrong with using linuxmint w/ cinnamonominon on a virtualbox? ==> there's nothing wrong with that, that's why I suggested it
[07:10] <alkisg> *ah with => it requires opengl
[07:13] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: Microsoft has an office online web app. Perhaps that might be helpful.
[07:13] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: That is an interesting idea. Let me see what hoops one has to jump through to use it...
[07:15] <awesomess3> alkisg: cinnamon doesn't require opengl? and what's wrong with a cinnamon DE and and a cinnamon virtualbox? Don't you put extra cinnamon on your peanut butter toast in the morning?
[07:15] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Too many hoops.
[07:24] <pd007> no_gravity, the 2008 version of the exel viewer?
[07:24] <no_gravity> pd007: What do you mean?
[07:24] <pd007> Date Published:
[07:24] <pd007> 1/14/2008
[07:25] <pd007> id do not open ods files
[07:26] <no_gravity> I see.
[07:26] <pd007> or did i get wrong what you want to do?
[07:26] <no_gravity> I will try to install a full Windows in VirtualBox then.
[07:30] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: https://office.live.com/start/Excel.aspx
[07:31] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Gives me a sign up page
[07:31] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a facebook programme for ubuntu. im fairly new to all this so any advice would be great
[07:31] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: That shouldn't take long, then you're in!
[07:32] <no_gravity> jonsaint: Firefox. It let's you access the whole world wide web. Including Facebook.
[07:32] <mattpalermo> heh!
[07:33] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Ok, I'll try...
[07:34] <mattpalermo> jonsaint: the package libwww-facebook-api-perl might help :P but seriously, there are a few plugins for some desktops. Which desktop are you using?
[07:35] <jonsaint> ive installed ubuntu but im pretty new to it so getting used to finding out what it does
[07:36] <no_gravity> jonsaint: Can you open FireFox?
[07:36] <jonsaint> yes i got firefox
[07:37] <no_gravity> jonsaint: Do you know how to enter a url?
[07:37] <mattpalermo> jonsaint: Ah fantastic! So I am guessing that you installed just plain Ubuntu. The desktop you have is most likely Unity. I think there is a unity plugin for facebook
[07:37] <mattpalermo> The plugin will provide some sort of notification functionality and probably chat.
[07:38] <jonsaint> is there also something i can add to the desktop with this chat programme instead of me having to keep going to freenode website
[07:39] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: I'm in :)
[07:39] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Yay, Excel online shows the same bug that the desktop version shows.
[07:39] <no_gravity> So Halleluhja, I can debug it without installing Windows!
[07:40] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Thanks man!
[07:41] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: Ah damn. What bug are you talking about? Have you got a troublesome excel workbook?
[07:41] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: I have an ods file that shows 2 cells differently when opened in excel.
[07:41] <no_gravity> It's from our system that exports data to ods files.
[07:42] <no_gravity> I need to figure out how to make it work in all spreadsheet clients.
[07:42] <mattpalermo> jonsaint: I forgot what is installed by default. But try searching for 'IRC' in your application menu. And if that fails you can try out some of the apps from the software center
[07:43] <jonsaint> mattpalermo thanks for the info. il go and have a look
[07:43] <mattpalermo> no_gravity: Oh I see. I wasn't fully following the conversation earlier. Good luck!
[07:43] <no_gravity> mattpalermo: Thanks!
[07:44] <mattpalermo> No problem jonsaint! Good luck!
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[08:25] <rascal> Hey guys, i am working on project where i need to use alsa to playback some audio files. Maybe someone know how to change the programs volume via c++ code or bash? (Program volume, not master!)
[08:27] <aiena> hmm I dont think you can change program volume via alsa but I may be wrong
[08:27] <aiena> usually you use another sound server like pulse to change per app volume
[08:27] <aiena> rascal,  you could look into that
[08:28] <aiena> alternatively you can ask at #linux
[08:28] <rascal> aiena I see that in Sound settings there is applications bar, maybe it's possible to control sound there via code or bash?
[08:29] <aiena> rascal, find out what that is using.
[08:30] <aiena> Most distributions use pulse audio if its using pulse then you need to look into pulse API or make your c code simple start another shell process to change per app volume in background
[08:30] <aiena> rascal, try installing pavucontrol package
[08:31] <aiena> and launch it
[08:31] <aiena> it should offere per app audio control
[08:32] <rascal> aiena, i need to have sound control in my application
[08:32] <rascal> i will check your suggestions
[08:32] <rascal> really appreciate it! :)
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[08:38] <a616belo> Hello
[08:38] <a616inda> Where are you from, guys?
[08:39] <rascal> Lithuania :)
[08:39] <rascal> you?
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[08:39] <a616inda> Russia
[08:39] <ducasse> !ot
[08:40] <aiena> rascal, sound control is usually at OS level itself. I think best bet is to reduce the amplification of your output audio stream
[08:40] <aiena> so the volume is relative to whatever volume the user has set.
[08:40] <a616inda> We  aren't bots, we're from msu
[08:40] <aiena> but you do not alter volume the user has set the user may just hate you otherwise rascal
[08:41] <a616belo> so, im Mitchell <btw
[08:41] <aiena> the nickname rascal when used in sentense context can be pretty ambiguous rascal
[08:41] <aiena> *sentece
[08:42] <rascal> ;d
[08:42] <a616inda> do you know c++?
[08:42] <a616belo> y , ofc
[08:44] <aiena> no I dont. But every programming language must be having some way to do it. If it doesnt and someone hasnt made it already then probably the language chosen may not be a good fit if you dont want to implement it yourself
[08:44] <aiena> given that the language is C there must be some low level lib able to do it
[08:44] <theablestman> hello
[08:44] <aiena> alternatively rascal can look into audacities code base
[08:45] <mattrpalermo> rascal: I am no programming expert, but surely a framework like QT would have this all figured out for you?
[08:45] <theablestman> how do i add a encrytion passphrase in ubuntu 14.04lts
[08:45] <theablestman> using terminal
[08:46] <a616grek> slava Ukraine
[08:46] <aiena> rascal, what I mean to say is alter the audio streams amplitude itself you may not even need alsa / pulse for volume control reduce amplitude of the output wave form and it automatically becomes softer , amplify it and its louder
[08:47] <aiena> theablestman, encryption passphrase in what context ?
[08:47] <theablestman> when i start up my system i have to enter a passphrase
[08:48] <aiena> password not a passphrase
[08:48] <theablestman> ok
[08:48] <aiena> or do you mean a real pass phrase
[08:48] <theablestman> password
[08:49] <aiena> theablestman, do you know the current password ?
[08:49] <rascal> aiena: thanks, i'll will take a more detail look into this
[08:49] <theablestman> yes
[08:49] <aiena> ok in that case just run the "passwd" command in your shell
[08:49] <theablestman> not that
[08:49] <aiena> enter the current password and then the password you want to change it to
[08:49] <theablestman> before that
[08:49] <aiena> and then you password changes
[08:49] <aiena> before that ?
[08:50] <theablestman> yes
[08:50] <theablestman> cryptsetup lukkey i think
[08:50] <aiena> can you post a screen shot or something I dont get what you means
[08:51] <teoh> I need some help. After installing buntu I can't log into it. It freezes at the encrypted lvm screen. Trying to boot into recovery did me no good.  http://imgur.com/a/tES5E
[08:51] <ducasse> theablestman: if you mean for full-disk encryption i think the disks util can add a passphrase
[08:51] <theablestman> https://www.google.com/search?q=screenshot+of+crypt+setup&client=ubuntu&hs=dEk&channel=fs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjn_pKfjqvTAhUK8CYKHVRhCCoQ7AkIPg&biw=1301&bih=678#imgrc=ITq3w2mSmn5kFM:
[08:52] <theablestman> http://linuxbsdos.com/2014/01/14/apply-the-nuke-patch-to-luks-cryptsetup-in-linux-mint-16-and-ubuntu-13-10/ scroll down
[08:53] <mattrpalermo> Slightly related to the topic: Does anyone know a way that I can turn my volume up above 100%. I have tiny laptop speakers :(
[08:53] <EriC^^> mattrpalermo: settings > sounds > allow above 100%
[08:55] <soupnanodesukar> teoh: in recovery mode, you can resolve archive.ubuntu.com by adding nameserver 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf after running dhclient [your ethernet nic here].
[08:55] <soupnanodesukar> t. had to do this with my sister's system today
[08:56] <teoh> soup, I can't. For some reason no net in recovery it freezes at boot.
[08:56] <mattrpalermo> EriC^^: Thanks! It worked. It's slightly different in Kubuntu but I improvised.
[08:56] <EriC^^> mattrpalermo: great! no problem
[08:57] <theablestman> BRB
[08:57] <teoh> Soup, http://imgur.com/a/bzCC3
[09:00] <pandaadb> Hi. I am trying 17.04 to check if nvidia tearing is fixed. I tried the default drivers (come with the install) and it seems better but not all fixed (i am not sure, might be a different issue). However, when switching into power safe and rebooting I get a catastrophic failure and can only do a fresh install
[09:01] <pandaadb> The system tries to boot up and then freezes completely. I can't switch into a terminal, I can't type, the cursor doesn't move, absolutely no response, the only thing working is pushing the power down button
[09:02] <pandaadb> I now installed the nvidia drivers off the repositories, version 381, and wanted to try again
[09:02] <pandaadb> Is there a way for me to grab the logs or any info so that I can provide better feedback than "everything freezes and i don't know why" :)
[09:04] <xbonesx> Hello all.
[09:05] <xbonesx> Anyone have any experience with efibootmgr?
[09:05] <ducasse> xbonesx: yes, what's the question?
[09:06] <xbonesx> ducasse: I see that I can use it to change my boot manger. I would like to install ubuntu but keep the windows boot manager in case I decide to go back to windows. What I would like to accomplish is using the win boot for choosing my win10 install and an option to get to grub for my ubuntu install.
[09:07] <soupnanodesukar> pandaadb: my sister has similar problems, it all goes white once you get X11, but terminal still works. I had to apt purge nvidia* and use nouveau instead.
[09:07] <soupnanodesukar> oh, and install nouvaeu-firmware, it's easy to forget.
[09:08] <ducasse> xbonesx: most firmwares have a built-in boot manager that will allow you to select which bootloader to start. you usually access this by pressing a key on boot, see the docs for your motherboard/computer.
[09:08] <pandaadb> soupnanodesukar, I can't even do that because I can't do the ctrl + alt combo
[09:08] <soupnanodesukar> pandaadb: reboot into recovery
[09:08] <pandaadb> ah okay
[09:09] <pandaadb> remind me, how do I boot into recovery again? :)
[09:09] <soupnanodesukar> "advanced options for ubuntu" in grub. :)
[09:09] <pandaadb> that works without the USB drive with the install
[09:09] <pandaadb> ah yes
[09:09] <pandaadb> thanks
[09:09] <xbonesx> ducasse: So just to be sure here... I install ubuntu right now and choose the option install alongside windows. This will cause my boot manager to default to the one that ubuntu installs, yes?
[09:09] <soupnanodesukar> np
[09:10] <ducasse> xbonesx: yes, but it will have an entry to boot windows
[09:10] <Noob2017> hello, I am using Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 now. When I try to shut down, it logs out instead. Not able to shut it down now.
[09:10] <Noob2017> It gives this error..  Failed to start poweroff.target: Transaction is destructive. See system logs and 'systemctl status poweroff.target' for details.
[09:11] <Dwarf> the command you're looking for is "sudo poweroff"
[09:11] <Dwarf> You need superuser privileges to power off
[09:11] <xbonesx> ducasse: Right. but... if i get rid of ubuntu then I'm stuck with ubuntu's loader. What I would rather do is continue using win boot mgr and create an entry that will then boot the one from ubuntu and let me choose ubuntu that way
[09:11] <mattrpalermo> pandaadb: I wonder if there would be anything logged to /var/log which you could check after your system crashes.
[09:11] <xbonesx> ducasse: I've accomplished this on a mbr boot record but efi is a little different
[09:12] <Noob2017> hello, this is happening today after I updated and upgraded the OS.
[09:12] <Noob2017> please help me out.
[09:12] <ducasse> xbonesx: ask in ##windows for that, _or_ use the firmware boot manager
[09:12] <xbonesx> ducasse: thanks
[09:13] <ducasse> Noob2017: did you do what the message told you to do?
[09:13] <Noob2017> ducasse, what should I do? I am clueless.
[09:13] <Noob2017> ducasse, I am a newbie.
[09:14] <ducasse> Noob2017: like it says, 'systemctl status poweroff.target'. see what the problem is.
[09:14] <Noob2017> ducasse, how? where? please guide me.
[09:14] <ducasse> Noob2017: enter that in a terminal
[09:15] <Noob2017> ducass, this is the output I got.  ● poweroff.target - Power-Off    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/poweroff.target; enabled; vendor preset:     Active: inactive (dead)      Docs: man:systemd.special(7) lines 1-4/4 (END)
[09:16] <freddyP> Noob2017; have you forced a shutdown holding down the powerbutton on your computer for 10 secs
[09:16] <Noob2017> freddyP, no.
[09:16] <Noob2017> freddyP, shall I do it now?
[09:17] <freddyP> that would be the first thing i would have done
[09:17] <Noob2017> ok. let me do it now.
[09:17] <Noob2017> will be back if the problem persists. thanks a lot.
[09:18] <ducasse> Noob2017: don't do that
[09:18] <ducasse> freddyP: that's a horrible suggestion
[09:18] <Noob2017> ducasse, any other solution you have. do you suspect any major problem here?
[09:18] <Noob2017> ok. I'm still here.
[09:20] <ducasse> Noob2017: see if 'sudo systemctl poweroff' shuts down. be aware that it will just kill your graphical interface and then shut down, so don't do it until you're ready for it.
[09:20] <Noob2017> ducasse, any other solution?
[09:20] <freddyP> ducasse: If i had a dollar for every time 'turning it off and back on again' worked
[09:21] <ducasse> freddyP: killing power is a bad way to shut down a unix-like system, period.
[09:22] <freddyP> sometmes its the only way out
[09:23] <ducasse> freddyP: yes, but let's see if it is first.
[09:23] <freddyP> sure it can cause directory issues but on boot most unix systems run fsck anyhow
[09:24] <soupnanodesukar> Noob2017: "any other solution" alt-sysrq-s alt-sysrq-u alt-sysrq-b
[09:24] <soupnanodesukar> wait a second or so between each combo
[09:25] <soupnanodesukar> Or try systemctl start poweroff.target
[09:25] <ducasse> freddyP: fsck won't necessarily work. but it's pointless to discuss this, my point is 'look for a better way first'
[09:25] <freddyP> sudo reboot
[09:25] <ducasse> he's gone now.
[09:26] <freddyP> aha maybe he shutdown
[09:29] <mattrpalermo> freddyP: Turning the power off at the wall is much more efficient. Nice and fast :P
[09:30] <freddyP> :)
[09:30] <pandaadb> okay, using the normal default drivers with the nvidia card seems to work fine. Weird issue with the freezing though. Out of interest, does that mean that the nvidia card is not used at all when using the Nouveou drivers
[09:32] <soupnanodesukar> it should, especialy so if your monitor is connected to your nvidia card.
[09:33] <pandaadb> okay, that is good enough for now :) I read that the tearing-fix only made it into 17.04 recently and people have reported crashes etc
[09:34] <pandaadb> maybe in a few weeks this will be ironed out
[09:34] <soupnanodesukar> yup
[09:35] <pandaadb> so the default Nouveou drivers are just a not-as-feature-rich nvidia driver implementation?
[09:36] <pandaadb> I can probably just google the difference between those too (/me tries that)
[09:46] <sebsebseb>  
[09:52] <sebsebseb>  1  2 3
[09:58] <thereyougo> on some system if I run: "cat /etc/debian_version" it says: "stretch/sid" so its debian right ? but if on same system I run: "cat /etc/lsb-release" it says: "DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION=Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS", so is it ubuntu or debian ?
[09:58] <khebbie> leave
[09:58] <ducasse> thereyougo: ubuntu.
[09:59] <ducasse> thereyougo: /etc/debian_version just reflects the debian release ubuntu was based on
[10:05] <MonkeyDust> thereyougo  type    cat /etc/issue
[10:10] <thereyougo> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[10:10] <thereyougo> but why is there "/etc/debian_version" ?
[10:11] <thereyougo> thanks
[10:16] <freddyP> thereyougo: Ubuntu is based on Debian
[10:17] <freddyP> Debian is the daddy
[10:21] <freddyP> thereyougo:  the file is also there as some apps when you install them need to pull the version of Debian your using when compiling
[10:22] <freddyP> likewise if you cat /etc/debian_version it returns the current build of debian you have
[10:24] <bujji> hi
[10:27] <sebsebseb> bujji: hi
[10:35] <IIIdefconIII> Does anyone know a good image program, to image from a booted system without the need for a live cd, i frequently wanne image my HTPC machine, take it over with ssh or vnc and start the image without the need to do it with usb stick, i know for windows that macrium reflect can do it but for linux there is only live cd support.... builtin linux disk manager says offcoruse resource is busy cause its booted
[10:36] <cfhowlett> live cd support only?  FALSE!
[10:36] <cfhowlett> !install
[10:41] <MonkeyDust> IIIdefconIII  i guess that sounds like a tftp-boot
[10:41] <cfhowlett> I would have guessed pxe install ...
[10:46] <IIIdefconIII> so there is not software that is able tot do this from booted system
[10:46] <IIIdefconIII> otherwise i need to for example create an tft boot server in a virtual machine orso
[10:46] <thiras> when we will have ZFS root on Ubuntu?
[10:46] <ducasse> IIIdefconIII: you can use dd, but the problem is that the fs might not be consistent
[10:46] <sebsebseb> IIIdefconIII: what you want to do can probably be done, but I don't know how
[10:47] <MonkeyDust> thiras  you can select zfs during installatuion, iirc
[10:47] <k1l> thiras: when someone writes proper working support for the installers etc.
[10:47] <sebsebseb> thiras: its already supported in 16.04 I belive as an option
[10:47] <IIIdefconIII> ok thanks for repsonding :)
[10:47] <sebsebseb> thiras: its unlikely to go default any time soon though
[10:47] <k1l> thiras: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu
[10:48] <ducasse> sebsebseb: not for the root fs, zfs is only supported for storage
[10:48] <thiras> thanks for answers
[10:48] <sebsebseb> ducasse: oh
[10:49] <thiras> k1l, debian has it already. couldn't we fork their installers?
[10:50] <k1l> thiras: native root zfs support? i doubt that. and its not according to the zfsonlinux wiki
[10:51] <k1l> thiras: and i doubt debian added the modules to their installer. i highly doubt that, since they have totally different view on the licensing of zfs
[10:52] <fotografoLombard> curioso28mi
[10:52] <fotografoLombard> nick curioso28mi
[10:52] <thiras> thanks k1l. just checked. it seems you are right.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:16] <nowy_linux_> Hello
[11:17] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: HI
[11:17] <nowy_linux_> I have problem with install ubuntu on Asus gl752vw. Could sb help me, pls? https://youtu.be/KZyggKClCJY
[11:18] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: OK on your video
[11:18] <cores> YankDownUnder, turned out to be a hardware problem. i disabled the touchpad and pointer in the bios and everything is working
[11:18] <FManTropyx> czesc, nowy_linux_
[11:18] <cores> YankDownUnder, there still might be a synaptics or libinput driver config work around
[11:20] <nowy_linux_> On my lenovo ubuntu is working awesome. I changed settings In bios like on this Video https://youtu.be/uuPEmQJfFwo
[11:20] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: whats the issue, it freezes on boot up? is your name sasha as well :d ?
[11:21] <subthalamus> hello, hi, how are ya? Is it possible to skip yakety? I have two xenial boxes I'd like to upgrade straight to Zesty
[11:22] <sebsebseb> !xenial
[11:22] <sebsebseb> !zesty
[11:22] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: no
[11:22] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: would have to go through 16.10
[11:22] <sebsebseb> but why upgrade?
[11:22] <auronandace> subthalamus: no, you can only go directly from one lts to the next or you need to go from one release to the next
[11:22] <cfhowlett> subthalamus, you currently have LTS. highly recommended you stay with LTS
[11:22] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: indeed Ubuntu is on uncertan times, with its drop of the Unity interface etc
[11:22] <sebsebseb> may as well stay with 16.04 for now as a result
[11:23] <subthalamus> oh
[11:23] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: plus  compared to 16.04,  16.10 and 17.04  don't really have  much differences  for Unity 7.  they do have unity 8 previews but  those are dropped so
[11:24] <nowy_linux_> So i should download ubuntu17?
[11:24] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: then its just updated usaul software, but the 16.04 versions for now should be fine enough for most people
[11:24] <cfhowlett> nowy_linux_, your choice.
[11:24] <nowy_linux_> But I can't install any ubuntu on my Asus :(
[11:25] <bekks> nowy_linux_: so you cannot install Ubuntu 17.04 as well.
[11:25] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: which version hasd the issues ?
[11:25] <nowy_linux_> I wanted install mate 16.10
[11:25] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: have you tried 17.04 ?
[11:25] <subthalamus> thanks for the advice, I'll just add PPAs for the stuff that isn't by default available than
[11:25] <cfhowlett> nowy_linux_, 16.10 has 9 months of support. 9 MONTHS.
[11:25] <subthalamus> and I'll wait out the next lts, will the naming loop back A?
[11:26] <nowy_linux_> I didn't try 17.04
[11:26] <cfhowlett> subthalamus, unknow.
[11:26] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: next LTS should be interesitng actsaully since its going back to GNOME 3
[11:26] <sebsebseb> properly
[11:26] <nowy_linux_> But I tryied 16.04
[11:26] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: 17.10 is probably a GNOME 3 release as well, but that's not confirmed yet
[11:26] <nowy_linux_> And it was still like now
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> yes unity will be dropped
[11:26] <FManTropyx> subthalamus, I am currently on 16.04.2 (upgraded automatically from the original 16.04) and I am not planning to upgrade to the non-LTS releases at least yet
[11:26] <subthalamus> I havn't been a big fan of kde or gnome in a while so...
[11:26] <cfhowlett> nowy_linux_, what fails?
[11:27] <sebsebseb> subthalamus:  well 16.04 LTS has unity 7 supported untill 2021
[11:27] <subthalamus> I absolutely hated unity
[11:27] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: apparnatly it will go in some universe repo for later releases though.
[11:27] <sebsebseb> well use some other interface then,  lots to choose from :)
[11:27] <nowy_linux_> This is my problem https://youtu.be/KZyggKClCJY
[11:27] <subthalamus> sebsebseb: exactly, always have
[11:27] <FManTropyx> hmm, will it be possible to still use Unity on 18.04?
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> rf
[11:28] <EriC^^> FManTropyx: yeah, it'll be in the universe repo i read
[11:28] <sebsebseb> FManTropyx: apparanty its going to go into the universe repo, so that means yes
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> FManTropyx  i guess will remain available in the repos
[11:28] <FManTropyx> thank you * 3
[11:28] <subthalamus> sebsebseb: what is the most popular among you folks?
[11:28] <sebsebseb> FManTropyx: unity 7 that is,  unity 8  is just well dropped it seems
[11:28] <subthalamus> cinnamon, awesome, icewm?
[11:29] <sebsebseb> subthalamus:  I like GNOME 3,  Unity 7 and unity 8,  and I like Mate, but I am also impressed with the newer budige interface, try that maybe
[11:29] <sebsebseb> subthalamus: Ubuntu Budgie has an offical 17.04 version now as well
[11:29] <subthalamus> will do, thanks
[11:29] <nowy_linux_> I will try install ubuntu 17
[11:30] <cfhowlett> nowy_linux_, could be a graphics issue.  try booting in nomodeset
[11:30] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | nowy_linux_
[11:30] <sebsebseb> nowy_linux_: yeah  run 16.04  since its Long Term Support, or try 17.04
[11:32] <draxxxeus> Hi, I have a ruby project and i used to use ruby-pkg-tools on Ubuntu 12.04 to build debian out of it. Now in Ubuntu 14.04, the package ruby-pkg-tools is unavailable. What is the correct way to build a debian from a Ruby project now?
[11:33] <d3bug> I have a couple of questions...  1. Is there a way to boot into Ubuntu in pure console mode with networking enabled?  and 2. is Kernel 4.7+ available?
[11:33] <EriC^^> d3bug: which ubuntu?
[11:34] <d3bug> EriC^^: 16.04? I think it is
[11:34] <d3bug> EriC^^ how about question 1?
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> !text | d3bug
[11:35] <EriC^^> d3bug: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[11:35] <EriC^^> !mainline | d3bug for the kernel
[11:35] <d3bug> MonkeyDust:  it boots in text mode but still tries to run the DM... I want it to not to try running it.
[11:38] <d3bug> you see, the issue is the gui will simply not work on my system right now because I have an RX480 (Radeon) and you need Kernel 4.7 or above.  so the DM just displays absolutely nothing.  so I need to get to PURE console to use apt to upgrade the kernel.
[11:39] <d3bug> I have tried passing "text" to the kernel which works.... till it gets to the init and tries running the display manager (gdm I think)
[11:39] <d3bug> then I am toast after that
[11:41] <ioria> d3bug, do you want to login direcly in console ?
[11:42] <d3bug> yes
[11:42] <d3bug> no gui at all
[11:42] <ioria> d3bug,  16.04 ?
[11:42] <d3bug> yeah
[11:42] <ioria> d3bug,  sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[11:43] <d3bug> ioria... the problem is, I cannot get a display to see that... how do i get to a point where I can type that... I have no display
[11:43] <ioria> d3bug,  do you get to the login screen ?
[11:43] <d3bug> no
[11:43] <ducasse> d3bug: you can't get a tty with ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:43] <d3bug> no display at all after gdm runs
[11:44] <d3bug> ducasse:  that's a good idea... I don't know.
[11:44] <qswz> how to upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04?
[11:44] <DeaDSouL> Hi, is anyone one familiar with 'T' file permission? (output of `ls -lah` is 'drwxrw-r-T 1 root users   90 Feb 10 23:18 My_Folder')
[11:44] <ioria> d3bug,  try to open a console
[11:44] <d3bug> how many VTYs are there under Ubuntu?
[11:44] <cfhowlett> qswz, sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:44] <qswz> thanks ok
[11:44] <qswz> oh the popup show when doing dofware updates
[11:45] <qswz> brb then, thanks
[11:45] <indistylo> Is there a bug in android-sdk installed on ubuntu 14.04, It was filling the disk and give warning , Filesystem root full , when i deleted android-sdk folder it free 20% space on the disk, could core dump filling up disk be the reason? For more info see: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24400217/
[11:46] <d3bug> I'll give it a shot and see what happens
[11:46] <d3bug> ty
[11:46] <nico202> Hi, just upgraded from 16.10 to 17.04 and internet stopped working as it should. I can resolve a domain (ping shows the right ip) but the ping freezes for most sites. Ie. google.it always works, amazon.it does not. But the ip is resolved correctly so I don't know where it is failing. Pinging local domains also always work and other computer on the same network are working as expected
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> nico202  wifi or cable?
[11:47] <nico202> MonkeyDust: wifi
[11:48] <nico202> MonkeyDust: it's using iwlwifi driver, the connection speed is 54Mb/s and copying files from a local server works well
[11:49] <netseeker> hello
[11:52] <ioria> nico202, do you still have the 16.10 kernel ?
[11:54] <nico202> ioria: trying to boot with 4.8
[11:54] <ioria> nico202, ok
[11:57] <nico202> ioria: still the same, but disabling ipv6 info in /etc/hosts (::1, ff02::1 etc) seems to have done the job. However I can't understand why this is happening
[11:58] <ioria> nico202, give a look at dmesg and syslog
[11:58] <ioria> nico202,  like dmesg | grep  <your_interface>
[11:59] <ioria> nico202,  oe better  dmesg | grep  iwlwifi
[12:00] <nico202> ioria: (iwlwifi) L1 enabled, LTR disabled. Disabling ht/vht due to WEP/TKIP use
[12:00] <jonsaint> hi all. im new to ubuntu and want to know how to remove a programme. ive gone into software centre and clicked remove but it wont delete.
[12:00] <nico202> ioria: (interface name) send auth, authenticated, associated
[12:01] <nico202> joisaint: sudo apt-get remove program-name
[12:02] <jonsaint> tried that but it cant find programme. its called ubuntu social kit im trying to remove
[12:03] <ioria> nico202, if using  NetworkManager, try to set IpV6 to 'ignore'
[12:03]  * qswz hopes he won't have network issues after upgrade
[12:03] <nico202> ioria: already did
[12:04] <bartek> hiho
[12:04] <nico202> jonsaint: it's called ubuntu-social-kit, https://askubuntu.com/questions/904300/i-want-to-uninstall-ubuntu-social-kit-compleatly
[12:04] <jonsaint> that page wont load?
[12:05] <nico202> jonsaint: strange. However, it's just sudo apt remove --purge   ubuntu-social-kit
[12:07] <jonsaint> unable to locate it?
[12:11] <netseeker> I have a question about ldap and apache. I could integrate Apache and LDAP and my authentication is based on LDAP at the moment. But I  want to have my authorization handled by LDAP as well, since I have several groups and folders, say G1 has access to F1 and G2 has access to F2. but Apache doesn't care about authorization at all and just throws access is denied error.
[12:12] <nico202> ioria: thanks, I'll stick with this config hoping it will just work(tm)
[12:13] <Z0up> Hey, I have some trouble with my multimonitor setup
[12:14] <Z0up> Anyone down to help?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !ask | Z0up
[12:15] <xbonesx> which file loads when grub start ubuntu? grubx64.efi or shimx64.efi?
[12:15] <xbonesx> on a efi system
[12:15] <xbonesx> an*
[12:16] <netseeker> @ubottu can you help me?
[12:17] <cfhowlett> netscape101, ubottu is a bot.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> netseeker:  but we living helpers  probly can
[12:18] <sebsebseb> !bot
[12:18] <FManTropyx> hm, I tried to start an application, but nothing came out of it
[12:18] <Z0up> So I've tried to add a third monitor (1600x1200) to my setup (21:9 at 912p and 16:9 at 1050p), but when I try to run them all at this resolutions I get the following "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied" "could not set the configuration for CRTC 80" and
[12:18] <Z0up> 	
[12:18] <Z0up> I am currently trying to use another monitor that I recently got (Dell 2001FP at 1200x1600 portrait) in addition to my other 2 monitors (21:9 LG at 2160x912 (used at this resolution for bandwidth reasons) and Apple Cinema at 1680x1050).
[12:18] <Z0up> When I try to run them at these respective resolutions I get the following message
[12:18] <Z0up> "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied" "could not set the configuration for CRTC 80"
[12:18] <Z0up> And
[12:19] <netseeker> I really need to know is it possible to have a fully-fledged ACL using apache and LDAP or not. mostly for managing my files/folders
[12:21] <xbonesx> which file loads when grub starts ubuntu? grubx64.efi or shimx64.efi?
[12:22] <ioria> xbonesx, if you have secure boot, the latter
[12:23] <thiras> any decision on when snap packages will be default?
[12:23] <xbonesx> ya i just found it on the net i've been looking for a while and finally found it
[12:23] <xbonesx> thanks for the reply
[12:23] <ioria> ok
[12:23] <xbonesx> ioria: would you have any experience in finding out the GUID of an installation?
[12:24] <ioria> xbonesx, guid is gpt, as far as i know
[12:25] <xbonesx> ioria: Correct, I need to add an entry for grub to my win boot mgr but I cant seem to find the unique identifier number
[12:26] <xbonesx> I imagine this number is universal across OSs that use GPT
[12:26] <xbonesx> or perhaps its referred to as the UUID on linux
[12:27] <xbonesx> yep UUID=GUID
[12:27] <ioria> xbonesx, for that you use sudo blkid
[12:27] <xbonesx> blkid returns the UUID?
[12:27] <ioria> yep
[12:27] <xbonesx> block id?
[12:28] <ioria> yes
[12:28] <xbonesx> alright that should be interchangable with the GUID I assume?
[12:28] <xbonesx> interchangeable*
[12:34] <ducasse> xbonesx: guid is called partuuid in lsblk, iirc
[12:35] <xbonesx> ducasse: ok so say I was trying to retrieve this number so I could use it in identifying in win boot mgr, those numbers should work?
[12:38] <transhuman_> hi is there a reason ubuntu 17.04 wont work from usb drive by using dd if=ubuntu-17....iso of=/dev/sdd bs=512 ?
[12:38] <transhuman_> or cp ubuntu-17...iso /dev/sdd
[12:39] <netseeker> anyone experienced with LDAP and Apache?
[12:40] <ducasse> xbonesx: don't know about windows, but i pass the kernel the root fs with partuuid on my arch install.
[12:41] <transhuman_> netseeker, I have experience with apache but not ldap (except active directory..which I dont think is what you mean) sorry
[12:41] <tpw_rules> so i woke up this morning and my system was turned off. i'm not exactly sure why. is there a way to find out? it should not have lost power since it's a VM
[12:41] <xbonesx> ya it uses the GUID and the path to load the kernel for windows
[12:41] <transhuman_> tpw_rules, was it only the vm that was shutoff?
[12:42] <tpw_rules> transhuman_: yeah.
[12:42] <transhuman_> did it crash or gracefully shut down
[12:42] <tpw_rules> i don't know
[12:42] <tpw_rules> it's a vps and my provider just said "powered off". i've asked them if they did something but i want to check my end too to see if there's a kernel panic or something in a log somewhere
[12:42] <ducasse> tpw_rules: do you have persistent journald logging?
[12:43] <tpw_rules> uhhhh i have a relatively stock install of 16.04.2
[12:43] <tpw_rules> but i'm pretty sure
[12:43] <transhuman_> how about /var/logs/ tpw_rules
[12:43] <ducasse> tpw_rules: you could try /var/log/kern.log.1
[12:43] <ducasse> tpw_rules: but if you turn on persistent journald logging you get much more detailed logging across boots.
[12:43] <tpw_rules> it just has a bunch of notices that it blocked packets
[12:44] <tpw_rules> i mean this is the first time it's happened and it's been running nonstop for several months
[12:48] <ducasse> tpw_rules: is it uptodate and running the latest kernel?
[12:48] <tpw_rules> probably not quite
[12:51] <ducasse> tpw_rules: see this link under 'persistent logging', it should at least give you more detailed info if this happens again
[12:54] <flo__> hello..i need to know the content of /etc/lsbrelease file for ubuntu 17.04 as i'm triyng to use the intel drivers update tool under kde neon with kernel 4.10. can someone tell me the contents of that file?
[12:56] <Joker2017> hello.. I am using Ubuntu Budgie now. Why is  Firefox  not available in it?
[12:57] <Joker2017> can I install Firefox in Budgie? how?
[12:57] <cfhowlett> Joker2017, different distros, different default apps.  want ffox?  install ffox.  sudo apt install firefox
[12:57] <Joker2017> great. thanks a lot. Really liked Budgie. It is awesome.
[13:00] <Joker2017> Budgie seems to be quite snappy. Is it faster than Xubuntu?
[13:00] <Joker2017> or less resource hungry?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> Joker2017, easy enough to test for yourself.  you can install multiple Desktop
[13:01] <cfhowlett> environments on any ubuntu.  then switch/test
[13:01] <qswz> https://d1qm1cpzmhmgab.cloudfront.net/public/files/WPS8WDvwiwAE7u-t/regular why the upgrade to 17.04 disabled those ppa's?
[13:01] <Joker2017> don't want to mess the things up.
[13:01] <Joker2017> if installing multiple DEs cause conflicts, don't wanna do that.
[13:02] <cfhowlett> qswz, ppa's are disabled on upgrading.  re-enable them and upgrade away
[13:02] <qswz> ok thanks
[13:08] <qswz> I'm on node 7.9.0 that's fresh
[13:08] <qswz> oops wrong chan
[13:11] <IIIdefconIII_> does anyone have experience with controllig linux / kodi with voice? of so what is a good recommendation to use, i tried vox with everghost but the regconation is really bad
[13:13] <ducasse> IIIdefconIII_: you might want to try ##linux also if you don't get a response here
[13:17] <Guest94710> Hello, anyone know how to add systray icon in tint2 panel ?
[13:17] <IIIdefconIII_> TY already did that ducasse
[13:21] <ducasse> Guest94710: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/tint2#Application_launchers
[13:25] <Guest94710> ducasse, i have it in launchers, but have to move it in system tray something like ""logout.desktop" icon
[13:26] <lambda> hello
[13:26] <rifter> lambda what is your question?
[13:27] <transhuman_> anyone able to help with the problem of not being able to build usb installer on debian/ubuntu for 17.04 dd or cp dont seem to make a bootable usb, anyone know why?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> try  a different USB transhuman_?
[13:30] <ducasse> Guest94710: the system tray is where running applications put their applets, you would need some program that does that
[13:31] <transhuman_> yes tried different usb drives
[13:32] <transhuman_> I am beginning to think this is an acer firmware problem
[13:32] <ducasse> transhuman_: what happens on boot?
[13:37] <Guest94710> ducasse, i have to edit tint2rc but can't  find anything for logout button https://gitlab.com/o9000/tint2/blob/master/doc/tint2.md#system-tray
[13:37] <w9qbj> transhuman_: it also seems to depend on the USB maker, Snadisk works, but PNY have always failed for me, they seem to have the boot and partition table locked.
[13:37] <aethelweard> What's up everyone?
[13:38] <w9qbj> we're answering Qs what's yours
[13:38] <aethelweard> No question.  Just playing with IRC.
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> aethelweard  not here, this is the support channel
[13:39] <transhuman_> w9qbj, thanks for that tidbit of info, unfortunately this is a sandisk, in fact with past versions of ubuntu this method has worked. so either this is an acer machine problem (which is where I am leaning) or its a 17.04 problem which I will test by  making a 16.04 on a windows machine using uinetboot
[13:40] <transhuman_> thanks
[13:41] <Guest94710> ducasse, it's look like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/24400802/
[13:48] <marvin2> if I type ls ~/d* it will list all the files in ~/data/, instead of listing all the files starting with d in ~/. can I change this behavior?
[13:50] <rifter> transhuman_ are you sure your bios settings are correct? You mentioned a potential firmware problem. I know with my machine I missed some that were not so obvious at first
[13:50] <tomreyn> marvin2: if you want to list all file in ~/data you'd best rnu 'ls ~/data'
[13:50] <marvin2> tomreyn I want to list all the files and directories starting with d in ~/
[13:50] <rifter> marvin2 you need to do ls -d ~/d*
[13:51] <tomreyn> marvin2: if you'd like to list all files in directories starting with a d, you'd run 'ls ~/d*/*'
[13:51] <rifter> marvin2 that will list the files and directories starting with d instead of walking the directories
[13:51] <c0mrade> what kind of project do you guys recommend to start working on, something that would both give me experience, has many challenges and wide range of technologies involved and maybe make some money but not straight away, am interested.
[13:52] <pd007> rifter: this will list dirs too
[13:52] <sebsebseb> thiras: not any time soon
[13:52] <transhuman_> rifter, not that I am aware of but the machine in question has a problem acknowledging internal hard drives anyways, perhaps its more of a software problem than a hardware problem with the acer itself, I will call acer and see if this is a known issue or if the motherboard has a bad capacitor or something...assuming its not ubuntu at this time or the process I used to create the usb
[13:52] <marvin2> that does work, thanks
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> c0mrade  a GUI for NFS
[13:52] <rifter> pd007 yeah I am thinking how to not list the directories
[13:52] <tomreyn> !ot | c0mrade
[13:52] <transhuman_> thanks
[13:52] <ruh> hi
[13:52] <sebsebseb> thiras: for snaps, oh i was scrolled up
[13:52] <sebsebseb> ruh: hi
[13:52] <ruh> thanks
[13:52] <pd007> marvin2, if the files have a fiel extension: ls ~/d*.*
[13:52] <rifter> pd007 I would normally do something like ls -ld ~/d* | grep -v ^d
[13:53] <ruh> ad
[13:53] <tomreyn> or just use find
[13:53] <rifter> but that gives you the long listing and then if you want the filenames you'd have to use awk or something
[13:54] <rifter> tomreyn yeah but I always had trouble convincing find to do a depth of just the one directory for some reason
[13:54] <rifter> probably a PEBKAC error
[13:55] <Draygh> 010
[13:55] <rifter> you could always pipe it to a while loop that uses type -d and eliminates the directories, I guess
[13:55] <tomreyn> rifter: find ~ -maxdepth 1 -type d -iname 'd*'
[13:56] <tomreyn> marvin2: ^
[13:56] <rifter> tomreyn that would find directories though
[13:56] <tomreyn> rifter: oh he wantef files? so -type f
[13:57] <pd007> marvin2: find ~/ -type f  -printf "%f\n" | grep  ^d
[13:58] <rifter> tomreyn that would find directories too since they are files
[13:58] <rifter> cme to think of it
[13:59] <pd007> find ~/ -type f  -printf "%f\n" | grep  ^d    does the job if its just about listing them
[13:59] <rifter> plus you used iname instead of name, so capital D is included
[13:59] <rifter> dunno if that is what he wants
[13:59] <rifter> on the plus side maxdepth worked. I dunno what I did wrong with it before
[14:00] <rifter> pd007 that does seem to work
[14:01] <tomreyn> find ~ -maxdepth 1 -iname 'd*' -\( -type f -or -type d -\
[14:01] <rifter> marvin2 do what pd007 says .. I just tested that and it worked for me
[14:02] <tomreyn> find ~ -maxdepth 1 -iname 'd*' -\( -type f -or -type d -\)
[14:02] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i need to install unbuntu on Prestigio Visconte V transformer. I made it, but the trouble is, when the screen switched to portrait mode, my touchscreen sensor sends a correct touches, but when it switched to landscape, i have wrong coordinates.. Any idea how can i tell fix X server touchscreen driver ?
[14:02] <tomreyn> that rather, last parentheses wa smissing
[14:02] <rifter> tomreyn that doesn't work and you're still using iname. pd007 seems to have the right way
[14:03] <tomreyn> rifter: the last but one would not work, the last one would, and yes, 'iname', which can be easily changed into 'name' if needed.
[14:04] <tomreyn> rifter: and no, pd007's does not what marvin2 seemed to ask for
[14:04] <rifter> tomreyn using your latest command, I get this error: find: unknown predicate `- '
[14:04] <pd007> XATRIX, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1972447 try this
[14:04] <rifter> tomreyn actually it does. It displayed all the files and not the directories
[14:04] <tomreyn> rifter: this command? find ~ -maxdepth 1 -iname 'd*' -\( -type f -or -type d -\)
[14:05] <tomreyn> here is does exactly this:
 tomreyn I want to list all the files and directories starting with d in ~/
[14:05] <rifter> tomreyn that command actually .. I guess I miscopied it, displayed the directories for me
[14:05] <tomreyn> rifter: it shows files and directories
[14:06] <tomreyn> if it doesn't on your end, something is wrong with your shell
[14:06] <rifter> tomreyn he does not want the directories!
[14:06] <oliverio> How long, roughly, does it take to check HD badblock with size of 3TB? I used the command badblock -o badblocks_encontrados.dat -n -v / dev / sde will do 5 days and is not yet finished.
[14:06] <pd007> marvin2,  find ~/  -printf "%f\n" | grep ^d if you want the dir listed to
[14:06] <pd007> hmmm wait that lists the files in the dirs too :/
[14:06] <XATRIX> pd007, thanks
[14:07] <tomreyn> rifter: you're wrong, based on the quote i posted
[14:07] <kalamun_> irc.chlame.net
[14:07] <rifter> tomreyn and when I did find ~ -maxdepth 1 -iname 'd*' -\( -type f -or -type d -\) it gave me just the directories
[14:07] <pd007> tomreyn, marvin2, rifter: find ~/  -maxdepth 1 -printf "%f\n" | grep ^d
[14:07] <pd007> just mix it!
[14:07] <rifter> pd007 your commands worked correctly
[14:08] <rifter> tomreyn I missed your quote, but thanks for trying to help
[14:08] <tomreyn> well since marvin2 is no longer reading this i wont spend more time on it
[14:08] <pd007> never too late to learn something :D
[14:08] <rifter> ah I see now, well heck then you could just use find with -f then
[14:09] <rifter> you don't need the other junk
[14:09] <akinode> hey, can anyone recomment software to write down math like they did here? http://www.deeplearningbook.org/contents/linear_algebra.html
[14:09] <frederic> hello
[14:09] <akinode> I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[14:09] <pd007> akinode: latex
[14:09] <frederic> i uses ubuntu 16.10 mate
[14:10] <frederic> byebye
[14:10] <pd007> !info texlive | akinode
[14:10] <cfhowlett> akinode, http://www.deeplearningbook.org/contents/linear_algebra.html
[14:11] <cfhowlett> tex latex
[14:11] <akinode> yeah, i already installed that. Is there some manual that i could use though? What IDE should I eb using_
[14:11] <this_self> Hi guys! Who are using snap to install packages?
[14:11] <pd007> you have eclipse running? akinode
[14:11] <this_self> I have obtained the error but cannot find solution using google :)
[14:11] <akinode> no but i can install it
[14:12] <cfhowlett> this_self, useless query. state YOUR issues and YOUR specs
[14:12] <pd007> akinode:https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX
[14:12] <pd007> about how to use it
[14:12] <akinode> pd007 alright thanks!
[14:12] <pd007> eclipse has a quite nice plugin for latex: http://texlipse.sourceforge.net/
[14:12] <this_self> I trying to install something (for example sudo snap install uappexplorer-cli) and obtaine always error: cannot perform the following tasks: download snap "core" from channel stable
[14:13] <rifter> actually if you want all the files and directories the first thing I said would have worked .. ls -d ~/d*
[14:13] <this_self> my internet connection is well
[14:13] <rifter> anyway an interesting conversation
[14:13] <rifter> ls -d ~/d* ~/D* would get both cases
[14:14] <pd007> have packages that are held back this_self?
[14:15] <rifter> actually ignore that
[14:15] <rifter> obviously I am not awake enough :P
[14:15] <this_self> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24400952/ this error I have when I try to install any package from snap. On pastebin more information about snap version and ubuntu version
[14:16] <sasha_> I installed ubuntu 17.04 but I have problem with starting it http://prnt.sc/exgcee
[14:16] <this_self> of course that packages which I tried to install from snap are there (for example when I try to search them using snap find...)
[14:18] <rifter> I stand corrected again ls -d ~/d* ~/D* did work. I was misreading what the first one pd007 was telling me. Leave off the ~/D* if you only want lower case. I do think though I am still too groggy to answer questions
[14:19] <pd007> this_self do that in a docker container?
[14:20] <this_self> pd007, ubuntu installed on my vmware workstation (of course with open-vm-tools and xserver-video-vmware)
[14:20] <this_self> could be the root of problem in it?
[14:21] <marvin2> on my mounted ntfs hdd directories have ugly light blue on light green font that is very hard to read. how can I make them be same color as regular directories, blue on black?
[14:22] <pd007> this_self: just reading the bugs filed about that issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1632130, https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1617765
[14:22] <marvin2> I am using ls --color=auto
[14:23] <pd007> thats a permission thing marvin2
[14:23] <tomreyn> sasha_: so one thing that's happening there is that your sda2 partition contains a file system which is corrupt, and auto-repair takes place (this is successful most of the time)
[14:23] <tomreyn> ...and it is here, too
[14:24] <this_self> pd007, I read it already. The last comment was "Using snapd 2.22.6", I'm using the same version but it's doesn't works. I thought what somebody here has the some troubles )))
[14:24] <pd007> marvin2: look at this. perhaps it hgelps https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/176179/disable-of-coloring-for-ls-on-ntfs-filesystems
[14:24] <this_self> but thanks for response. Will try to resolve it myself
[14:24] <marvin2> pd007 what permission does blue on green indicate?
[14:24] <pd007> 777
[14:25] <pd007> marvin2, use ll or ls -al to see the permissions
[14:25] <tomreyn> sasha_: nouveau is the open source nvidia graphics driver, it ran into an issue there, but i do not know whether it is critical (it sounds like it could be due to "FAULT"). this may stop X (an the graphical desktop) from working.
[14:25] <MWM> Hi I need help looking at an external drive from a virtual machine.  Host and Guest are both Ubuntu (host 16.04 and guest 14.04)
[14:25] <sasha_> So I must install Win10 Omg..
[14:25] <tomreyn> sasha_: finally it reports that the bluetooth firmware failed to load, but this is probably less of an issue for now.
[14:26] <marvin2> pd007 can I disable special coloring for 777?
[14:26] <tomreyn> sasha_: i dont think you need to reort to windows just because the system currently does not boot to the graphical desktop on linux.
[14:27] <MWM> the external drive shows as a block device and not a USB device in the host, and the guest shows no connected USB
[14:27] <tomreyn> *reSort
[14:27] <pd007> MWM virtualbox? kvm? xen? what is the vm running on/in?
[14:27] <MWM> The newest virtualbox.
[14:27] <sasha_> I will try install ubuntu once again
[14:28] <pd007> marivin2: ls seems not to have that option. --color seems to have only: always, never, auto as options
[14:28] <MWM> Host OS is Ubuntu 16.04 and guest is Ubuntu 14.04
[14:28] <tomreyn> sasha_: does the 17.04 live cd / usb work?
[14:28] <pd007> MWM: install the additions, enable the usb controller, pass the usb drive to the vm
[14:28] <sasha_> It was usb
[14:28] <tomreyn> sasha_: also give 16.04 LTS a try - i would actually recommend that over 17.04 for less linux experienced users.
[14:29] <MWM> Additions are installed.  I cannot enable anything except the 1.1 controller. 2.0 controller gives "invalid settings" warning
[14:29] <pd007> MWM: sorry, not additions - the extension pack
[14:29] <MWM> Ahh! I forgot about the extension pack!  Thanks!
[14:30] <pd007> MWM: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.0.32/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.32-112930.vbox-extpack
[14:30] <tomreyn> sasha_: or you could try to fix the current installation., but you'll need to provide a lot more information: how did you install, were there errors during installation, which hardware / computer model are oyu installing to, which ubuntu install media did you use etc.
[14:30] <pd007> MWM make sure its the exact version you need!
[14:30] <sasha_> I'm using Asus gl 752vw
[14:31] <sasha_> I7 6700HQ, gtx 960m 2 GB and 16 GB ram
[14:31] <MWM> pd007:  Will do.  I think this will likely solve the issue, but Ill stop back in if it does not .  THanks again!
[14:33] <tomreyn> sasha_: try this: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?81702-Linux-installation-in-ASUS-ROG-GL552VW-DH71&p=564158&viewfull=1#post564158
[14:34] <marvin2> pd007 ls manual says to use dircolors (which sets LS_COLORS) to change default coloring, but I I can't figure out which entry sets coloring of 777 permission
[14:45] <mac_nibblet> I'm having some problems after upgrading to 17.04, my encrypted drive goes into a read only state that crashes the entire OS
[14:46] <mac_nibblet> These are the kind of errors i'm seeing  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1569008
[14:46] <mac_nibblet> I was thinking of reinstalling my laptop without the encryption, but I cannot even boot the live usb drive, it fails with "Cannot start network name resolution" and just hangs
[14:47] <mac_nibblet> Also tried forcing fsck on the partition, didn't help either
[14:48] <mac_nibblet> Anyone have any ideas ?
[14:48] <pynki> mac_nibblet, you are booting the live and it crashes?
[14:48] <mac_nibblet> pynki, It hangs
[14:49] <mac_nibblet> Trying to start the Network name resolve, i'm assuming it's DNS related ?
[14:49] <MWM> check the md5 of your download and remake your live USB ?
[14:50] <Skyrider> Is there anyway I can create a SFTP user, but lock the user to a specific directory outside of home?
[14:50] <Skyrider> User won't get any home directory.
[14:50] <mac_nibblet> Not sure MwM it's liveusb related
[14:51] <pynki> Skyrider, https://askubuntu.com/questions/598870/limit-sftp-user-access-to-specified-directory maybe this helps?
[14:51] <MWM> mac_nibblet : Ive had varied troubles with the live USB's from a corrupted download.  I have almost always found that the download was corrpted with ANY problem.  Its worth checking your ISO just in case
[14:51] <Skyrider> Sweet, thanks
[14:52] <cfhowlett> mac_nibblet, pro-tip.  do not DL the ubuntu .iso.  Use torrents.
[14:52] <mac_nibblet> i'm using torrents
[14:53] <tomreyn> also that's probably not the issue, rather that his ecryptfs on permanenet storage has run full
[14:53] <mac_nibblet> Interesting
[14:53] <mac_nibblet> the sha256sum does not match
[14:53] <tomreyn> okay, i stand corrected
[14:53] <MWM> Ive installed the extension pack and guest additions for virtualbox and still cannot get USB passthrough. Any ideas?
[14:53] <mac_nibblet> That's kinda fucking creepy lol
[14:53] <jamesd> Skyrider also  google sftp chroot jail
[14:54] <MWM> lsblk
[14:54] <pynki> MWM you have the rights to access the usb?
[14:54] <MWM> whoops...wrong window
[14:54] <MWM> pynki:  I dont see why I wouldnt have rights?  I can acess it in the Host OS
[14:55] <mac_nibblet> tomreyn, what could cause that ?
[14:55] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: what could cause what?
[14:55] <mac_nibblet> the sha256sum not matching ?
[14:56] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: the sha256sum of what not matching what?
[14:56] <pynki> MWM: sudo VBoxManage list extpacks shows the extpack?
[14:56] <pynki> 'sudo VBoxManage list extpacks'
[14:56] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: i can guess what you are trying to ask but i'm suggesting you ask more precise questions, it will help prevent you and anyone responding from jumping to conclusions.
[14:57] <pynki> MWM: 'usermod -aG vboxusers userName' might help
[14:58] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: my guess right now is that you noticed that the shas256sum of an ubuntu install / live iso you downloaded does not match the one documented on ubuntu.com. and you are wondering how this could happen.
[14:58] <MWM> extension pack is listed.  To make sure I understand the command you listed "usermod -aG...."  I will be adding my user to the vboxusers group?
[14:58] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: if so, this can happen for all kinds of network issues as well as storage media issues. which is why you should always check the checksum of a downloaded iso before putting it to use.
[14:58] <pynki> MWM: right
[15:00] <pynki> MWM: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch02.html#idm1051
[15:02] <akinode> pd007 hey, did you mean this extension to use eclipse with latex? http://texlipse.sourceforge.net/
[15:02] <pynki> akinode: yes i did
[15:03] <pynki> should be available over the marketplace too i think
[15:03] <pynki> not sure, the marketplace has problems here in china :/
[15:03] <akinode> is this a good way to learn how to use the software? Wouldn't it be more efficient to have real time execution of whatever I write?
[15:03] <akinode> like this one http://www.bakoma-tex.com/menu/linux.php
[15:04] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: i further guess, based on the limited information you provided so far, that you're dealign with two issues: (a) the ecryptfs file system overlay you have on your permanet storage (probably a hdd or ssd) has become partially corrupt (possibly due to the unsderlying file system running full). (b) to recover from this situation, you downloaded a ubuntu installation / live iso which you are trying to boot from but the boot fails. you
[15:04] <tomreyn> have since determined that the sha256sum of the iso you downloaded does not match the one documented on ubuntu.com.
[15:05] <pynki> akinode: its a 'what you se is what you get' kind of thing as far as i can see. dont like these thigns since they hide from you what actually happens
[15:05] <pynki> and its hard to get help on that if you do not see and undertsand the generated code
[15:05] <tomreyn> mac_nibblet: if you still seek help, please confirm the above or correct it as needed.
[15:05] <akinode> so what would be the most efficient way to understand what I'm doing? Just read the wiki and use eclipse?
[15:06] <akinode> and constantly run the code manually to see if it does what I want it to?
[15:06] <pynki> akinode: eclipse renders it for you on every save operation into a pdf file
[15:06] <akinode> can i have the pdf file open and update at the same time?
[15:07] <pynki> yes
[15:07] <akinode> oh, cool! didn't know that, thanks
[15:07] <pynki> inside the eclipse as far as i could tell
[15:07] <cfhowlett> akinode, no.  you edit the original then output the pdf
[15:07] <pynki> as soon as he saves in texlipse-eclipse it will update the pdf
[15:08] <marvin2> I have a bash script that works, but I want it to echo all the commands it is executing. can this be done without manually printing every command?
[15:08] <cfhowlett> I stand corrected.  thanks pynki
[15:08] <pynki> if he is using the integrated viewer or evince or some' liek that
[15:09] <ducasse> marvin2: 'set -x' at the top of the script
[15:11] <Skyrider> pynki:
[15:11] <Skyrider> Tried.. but getting Error:	Network error: Software caused connection abort in the end.
[15:13] <pynki> Skyrider, commandline sftp?
[15:13] <pynki> or filezilla or....
[15:13] <tomreyn> marvin2: add "set -e" early in the script
[15:14] <marvin2> ducasse, tomreyn thanks that works
[15:14] <marvin2> actually it doesn't! i am running a bash script
[15:15] <marvin2> nm, -x does work
[15:15] <pynki> Skyrider, try adding 'ServerAliveInterval 60' at the client machine and 'ClientAliveInterval 60' on the server to the /etc/ssh/ssh_config files
[15:16] <tomreyn> marvin2: sorry, i meant -x, not -e, and i had missed ducasse's earlier reply
[15:17] <tomreyn> marvin2: this is documented in bash(1)  (run 'man bash') in the 'SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS' section under 'set'
[15:18] <pynki> Skyrider, not sure if the alive interval thing will work as decribed. have a look here too https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3026/what-options-serveraliveinterval-and-clientaliveinterval-in-sshd-config-exac
[15:20] <marvin2> tomreyn cool, I'll give bash(1) a look
[15:22] <Skyrider> pynki: Filezilla.
[15:23] <Skyrider> Do I 'have' to use ssh for this btw?
[15:23] <Skyrider> Isn't there any package that can easily add users/groups without using so many command lines?
[15:23] <pynki> Skyrider, no, do you see some like this in filezilla? 'Error: Unable to open .: permission denied'
[15:23] <Skyrider> "Could not connect to server"
[15:25] <MWM> https://askubuntu.com/questions/616042/user-groups-and-advanced-settings-in-15-04
[15:26] <Skyrider> MWM: That's for desktop though.. if I'm not mistaken.
[15:26] <Skyrider> I'm using a server, no desktop installed.
[15:27] <MWM> my mistake.  Im only half looking and I thought I could give a hand.  :)
[15:31] <pynki> Skyrider: no. useradd groupadd usermod are doing the job quite well. you can wrap them in scripts if you need mass account creation etc. but i don't think there is a management tool for the commandline that somehow simulates a gui
[15:32] <giovanni> ciao a tutti
[15:34] <pynki> !info gpasswd | Skyrider
[15:34] <MWM> okay I am tired of USB and virtual box.  Would it work to add this drive as a smaba share in the host and then access it from the VM?
[15:34] <pynki> :/
[15:35] <MWM> or is there a better solution that does not involve USB passthrough?
[15:36] <compdoc> you just storing files? samba is great
[15:36] <rud0lf> you just need to add yourself to "vboxusers" group
[15:36] <rud0lf> then logout/login
[15:36] <rud0lf> worked like a charm for me
[15:36] <MWM> I have :  installed the guest additions ISO.  Installed the extension pack.  added my user to vbox users on the host.  Im still getting no devices available for passthrough
[15:37] <MWM> ?  Hmmm... I logged out and back into the VM, but didnt think of it in the guest....lets give that a shot.  THanks
[15:38] <MWM> er... didnt think of it in the HOST that is.  Thanks
[15:40] <pynki> MWM: use newgrp and start vbox from that terminal if you cannot afford to logout
[15:41] <compdoc> passthrough is too much work, and requires the right mobo
[15:41] <fun> Hi
[15:42] <pynki> but the only way to get certain things inside the vm
[15:42] <MWM> Login/logout did the trick.  USB devices are visible and available for passthrough now.  Troubleshooting is awesome :)
[15:44] <MWM> Did the guy with the mismatched sha-hash ever reply?  I was curious to see his solution
[15:47] <pynki> nope
[15:47] <Crypto__> trivia quistion : Periodic Conference in many cities hosted by Trend Micro
[15:49] <DJones> Crypto__: And howis that Ubuntu support related, please seethe channeltopic /topic
[15:49] <klean> hi
[15:49] <paven> heyo
[15:50] <noob> ubuntu 17.04 looking good :)
[15:50] <Rapture> I have a script that takes a date at the end of running it like /usr/bin/./myscript YYYY-mm-dd but I don't get how to insert the current date like that to it automatically
[15:51] <rascal> Hey guys, i am working on project where i need to use alsa to playback some audio files. Maybe someone know how to change the programs volume via c++ code or bash? (Program volume, not master!)
[15:52] <bekks> Rapture: echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d)
[15:55] <pynki> rascal, 'amixer -D pulse sset Master 50%'
[15:55] <rascal> pynki, i need to avoid changing master volume
[15:57] <pynki> rascal, amixer --help should lead you to the right command
[15:59] <pynki> rascal, ohh - well that just sets channels. sorry. that will not bring you anywhere!
[15:59] <pynki> did not fully read your question
[16:00] <rascal> yeah, i see :/
[16:00] <casawi> come installare nvidia su debian 8
[16:01] <kang0> What's Linux n1
[16:01] <bekks> casawi: /j #debian please
[16:03] <pynki> rascal, have a look  at the dmix plugin for alsa. perhaps that can help
[16:04] <rascal> pynki, I will, thx :)
[16:08] <rizonz> damn I messed up my /boot or so, my vm keeps rebooting before starting, no grub menu as well
[16:08] <thyrix> hello! how can I use shadow socks in terminal?
[16:10] <pynki> rascal, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1028657#p1028657 might be interesting
[16:12] <pynki> thyrix, https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks/wiki/Using-Shadowsocks-with-Command-Line-Tools
[16:12] <pvl1> hey all, im getting a really weird issue where apt-get and dpkg arent extracting all of the file in a package. and ive verified they exist by extract the cached version
[16:12] <Rapture> bekks: thanks
[16:13] <thyrix> pynki: thanks!!
[16:18] <pynki> pvl1, 'dpkg -L whatever' confirms that files are missing?
[16:18] <pvl1> pynki: no the package is fine
[16:19] <pvl1> the files exist in the package, for sure
[16:19] <pynki> yeah. dpkg -L should show you all files installed
[16:19] <pynki> perhaps they are just in a weired place
[16:20] <pvl1> it lists the files installed, not existing
[16:20] <pvl1> again, ive extracted the cached package. the files in question are there
[16:21] <jeffrey_f> how to fix https://paste.ubuntu.com/24401730/
[16:22] <pynki> jeffrey_f, https://serverfault.com/questions/58363/my-unqualified-host-name-foo-bar-unknown-problem
[16:25] <carpediembaby> hello, i just installed ubuntu 16.04 and i can't seem to use a usb ethernet adapter
[16:25] <uebera||> Hi. Given "LANGUAGE=de:en_GB:fr:ja", is it possible that some applications interpret this from right to left? Or does this mean that some language packs (notably, the german/english ones) are broken/incomplete and you should use en_US as a third option in any case? (on one machine, I'm seeing password prompts in French, on another, I see apt/dpkg warnings in Japanese)
[16:26] <sebsebseb> carpediembaby: hmm
[16:26] <carpediembaby> i tried "ls /sys/class/net" and it shows me three "enp0s31f6  lo  wlp4s0"
[16:27] <sebsebseb> carpediembaby: wlp is probably wirelss
[16:27] <sebsebseb> enp  couod be your device I guess
[16:27] <carpediembaby> and dmesg shows the usb adapter as a usb hub (it is is also a hub) and not the ethernet adapter
[16:27] <pynki> carpediembaby, run 'tail -f /var/log/syslog" and plugin the adapter - any changes in the output? 'lsusb' shows the adapter?
[16:27] <pynki> enp might be the right guess
[16:29] <carpediembaby> pynki:When i plug in the usb, it doesn't change the output of /sys/class/net
[16:29] <pvl1> carpediembaby: how are you trying to use the hub
[16:29] <pvl1> er adapter exscuse me
[16:29] <carpediembaby> tail shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/24401774/
[16:30] <carpediembaby> pvl1: it is a usb hub + ethernet adapter. normally, when i plug it in with an ethernet jack, it connects as an ethernet adapter and i am able to connect to the internet
[16:30] <pvl1> uebera||: the latter sounds more realistic to me. what issues are you seeing?
[16:31] <pvl1> carpediembaby: dhclient enp0s31f6
[16:31] <pvl1> you probably need to configure network manager to automagically configure that interface
[16:31] <pynki> pvl1, carpediembaby is it an inateck device?
[16:32] <carpediembaby> pvl1: 1 enp0s31f6 is the fingerprint scanner
[16:32] <carpediembaby> pynki: the manufacturer is Anker
[16:32] <pvl1> whaaa it works over ethernet? thats kool
[16:33] <pvl1> so this adapter doesnt show up? what about without hub
[16:33] <pvl1> hub might not deliver enough power to the thing
[16:33] <pvl1> is it a powered hub
[16:33] <pynki> carpediembaby, is it pl;ugged into an usb3 port? is it a usb3 hub?
[16:33] <carpediembaby> pvl1: no, it is a simple usb connector, it works on other computers
[16:34] <pvl1> have you plugged it in strait
[16:34] <pvl1> without adapter
[16:34] <pynki> the hub includes the adapter, pvl1
[16:35] <carpediembaby> pvl1: its a usb hub + ethernet adapter which is plug and play. Looks like this : https://d2c6jjk3vnoatm.cloudfront.net/spree/products/5010/product/A7514041_ND01.jpg?1461123817
[16:35] <jeffrey_f> pynki: The /etc/hosts file now reads    127.0.1.1	localhost localhost.localdomain Foo-bar.  Still showing the error.  Procmail is also installed.  Would that be an issue?
[16:35] <pvl1> so it is a usb3.0 in a usb3.0 port?
[16:36] <carpediembaby> yes
[16:38] <pynki> carpediembaby, they have a driver for the 3.x kernel on their website https://d2c6jjk3vnoatm.cloudfront.net/spree/products/accessoies/153/D9E0693FA9E8164_linux0003-r8152.53-2.05.0.tar.bz2
[16:41] <carpediembaby> pynki: how do i install it?
[16:41] <pynki> i do not know! the manual of the product is a joke!
[16:43] <ikonia> if a driver exists for the 3.x kernel chances are it won't work in 4.x
[16:44] <ikonia> you need to contact the vendor and ask for a compatible version, or even better for them to submit it into the mainline kernel for upstream maintenance
[16:45] <pynki> i am quite sure the chinese factory brought that driver with the device!
[16:45] <carpediembaby> pynki, ikonia : this is strange, i have been using it on ubuntu 14.04 without issues (and installing drivers)
[16:45] <ikonia> carpediembaby: how did you install the driver
[16:45] <carpediembaby> i didn't
[16:45] <rizonz> how can this happen when the file exists ? ifup[736]: run-parts: failed to exec /etc/network/if-up.d/z90-route-ens3: No such file or directory
[16:45] <ikonia> carpediembaby: you just said "and installing drivers"
[16:45] <carpediembaby> it worked just like that
[16:46] <carpediembaby> ikonia: i meant without issues and without installing drivers
[16:46] <ikonia> carpediembaby: ok - so what chipset does the network card use
[16:48] <pvl1> and it wont compile
[16:48] <pvl1> rizonz: read permissions?
[16:48] <rizonz> pvl1: what do they need to be, the rights ?
[16:49] <tomreyn> pynki: what made you think that the driver you pointed to works for the device carpediembaby has?
[16:50] <pynki> rizonz, remember the rights, set them to 777 and see if its the issue or not. think about the specific rights later ;)
[16:50] <pcn> I've upgraded from 16.10 to 17.04 on a dell 9550 with an nvme drive.  Since the upgrade my computer has locked up with what appears in the console to be ext4 fs failures of some kind, but booting off a recovery usb stick doesn't discover any filesystems errors
[16:50] <carpediembaby> ikonia: I don't know, how can I find out?
[16:50] <pynki> tomreyn, i do not know.
[16:50] <pcn> just extents that could be shrunk.  Doing so hasn't prevented further issues.
[16:50] <ikonia> carpediembaby: research the device, probe the hardware and look at the chipset
[16:50] <pynki> carpediembaby, plug it into a14.04.
[16:50] <carpediembaby> tomreyn: the driver doesn't work. "make" fails
[16:50] <pcn> It does seem that / becomes unavailable.
[16:51] <tomreyn> he probably should try to find out what device he has there first of all, before trying to build any drivers
[16:51] <carpediembaby> pynki: don't have 14.04 anymore.. the laptop died
[16:51] <pcn> Does anyone know of similar/related issues, or can describe to me how to troubleshoot?
[16:51] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: diwbnload it and run it as a live session
[16:51] <tomreyn> *download
[16:51] <carpediembaby> i have another device with mint linux though, it works on it also
[16:52] <tomreyn> that should also work
[16:52] <rizonz> pynki: -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0  160 Apr 17 18:29 z90-route-ens3
[16:52] <tomreyn> just run lsusb
[16:52] <rizonz> should be OK
[16:52] <carpediembaby> tomreyn, you want me to run lsusb on mint with this adapter plugged in?
[16:52] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: that's what i suggest, yes
[16:53] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: that's if the device works on that mint system
[16:54] <pynki> carpediembaby, RTL8153 Chipset i think
[16:54] <tomreyn> pynki: based on?
[16:54] <pynki> tomreyn, amazon, google
[16:54] <tomreyn> heh
[16:55] <pynki> http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=56&PFid=56&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#RTL8153
[16:56] <tomreyn> first let's see the usb id's
[16:56] <pynki> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC07T02?psc=1 this looks like it and a bunch of their devices are based on the realtek chipset
[16:56] <MarioMey1> Hi, there. I have a Foscam Wi-Fi IP-Cam. The only way to know what is the default IP is by using Windows software. It detects where the cam is. I would not want to find a Windows computer (not mine), install software, connect camera to Ethernet and do it  there.
[16:57] <carpediembaby> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24401901
[16:57] <MarioMey1> Can I do the same with nmap?
[16:58] <pynki> MarioMey1, first: reset the device, run 'nmap -p80 xxx.yyy.zzz0-254' or just have a look inside the router what ip address the dhcp server gives the device
[16:59] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: okay, pynki guessed right. 0bda:8153 seem to be the ethernet adapter, a realtek 8153 chip.
[16:59] <pynki> MarioMey1, if you have a direct connection you have to use a static ip on your ethernet, most likely in the 192.168.0/1.0/32 space to egt a connection to the camera
[16:59] <carpediembaby> pynki: tomreyn: this is the output on this laptop (where it doesn't work): https://paste.ubuntu.com/24401917/
[17:01] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: this looks like this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1622322
[17:03] <pynki> MarioMey1, better to conenct the cam to a router. makes everything simpler. https://www.instar.de/media/wysiwyg/Products/Software/Camera_Tool_Linux/INSTAR_Camera_Tool_LINUX.zip this tool might work on the foscams too. some old instar models came out of the same factory as the foscams. but thats some years ago
[17:04] <carpediembaby> tomreyn: so it doesn't work until this bug is fixed?
[17:06] <carpediembaby> pynki: i can't install the driver from realtek that you sent .. i extract the bz2 file and there is one resulting file which i have no idea what to do with
[17:08] <tomreyn> carpediembaby: the bug report discusses possible workarounds. you could also provide more information on this bug report and thus support finding a fix.
[17:08] <pynki> i cannot wget or curl that file carpediembaby. i have no desktop here
[17:09] <tomreyn> pynki: DDL http://12244.wpc.azureedge.net/8012244/drivers/rtdrivers/cn/nic/0007-r8152.53-2.08.0.bz2
[17:10] <mac_nibblet> Sooo, I came in here earlier with a problem with a live usb and couldn't get it to boot
[17:10] <mac_nibblet> I managed to install ubuntu 17.04 gnome, but i'm getting the same errors as before my disk keeps remounting in read-only mode
[17:10] <Sparrow_> carpediembaby, Easiest solution is usb wifi dongle until they get it fixed.
[17:10] <mac_nibblet> I ran fsck on the drive and everything is fine
[17:11] <mac_nibblet> So i'm going to assume this is a software issue ?
[17:11] <JustTheDoctor_> in a ubuntu server console is it possible to download all the files in a url dir listing with wget?
[17:12] <rizonz> weird I see ens9 when I do an ifconf but when I want to down it it says ens9 is not configured
[17:12] <riotz> hi, i want to bind my mouse keys based on the app that i'm currently using.. whats the best way to accomplish that on ubuntu?
[17:12] <wedgie> JustTheDoctor_: i shouldnthink so. but #wget is probably the better place to ask.
[17:13] <JustTheDoctor_> thanks wedgie
[17:14] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor_: look into the --recursive option
[17:14] <pcn> mac_nibblet: what kind of disk do you have?
[17:15] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor_: depending on how the links are done in html, it can work. with simple directory listings it should.
[17:15] <JustTheDoctor_> tyty
[17:18] <kaili> Hello. Here I'm again about my external monitor not working at optimal resolution (2560x1440 ; it works using 1920x1080) connected from my laptop display port with HDMI cable using Ubuntu 17.04. The same setup is working on Windows, it's definitely an Ubuntu problem. I tried with and without nvidia proprietary driver, it doesn't change the problem. Here is the xrandr : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402030/ and the Xorg log : http://paste
[17:18] <kaili> The only interesting message I saw was : [   401.713] (--) modeset(G0): HDMI max TMDS frequency 300000KHz [   401.733] randr: falling back to unsynchronized pixmap sharing
[17:19] <kaili> Can anyone give me a hand investigating this problem ? It's the last one keeping from removing definitely my Windows partition, but I need optimal resolution for presentation with clients
[17:21] <mac_nibblet> pcn, uhm, SSD It's a XPS 9550
[17:21] <mac_nibblet> I'm thinking of modifying /etc/fstab with errors=continue instead of errors=remount-ro
[17:22] <pynki> kaili, tried to set the resolution by hand?
[17:23] <MarioMey1> pynki: I reset it and run that command. It says "Nmap scan report for xxx.yyy.zzz0-254 (208.70.188.15)".
[17:23] <kaili> pynki: using xrandr ? Yes, still getting "no signal" when switching to 2560x1440
[17:23] <MarioMey1> Would it be IP? I try to go there but it says: "Invalid Request"
[17:23] <kaili> pynki: I also tried to lower refresh rate, but xrandr didn't seem to update to my value
[17:24] <pynki> MarioMey1, replace xxx.yyy.zzz.0-254 with your network ip address space: for example: nmap 192.168.0.0-254
[17:24] <pynki> the -p80 just limits the scan to port 80...shpould make it faster. when the cam is resetted then the interface will be available on port 80
[17:24] <MarioMey1> pynki: should I disconnect wi-fi modem?
[17:25] <pynki> MarioMey1, how are you connected to the camera?
[17:25] <thudkol> Hi. With many Ubuntu installations across many machines I've noticed that trying to change video driver to nvidia in Additional Drivers often fails with no error messages. It simply reverts to xorg driver with no comment. Any idea how I can find out why?
[17:27] <pynki> kaili, the screen gets detected by the desktop monitor settings utility?
[17:27] <MarioMey1> pynki: I'm not connected to the camera yet.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> Camera has a ethernet cable that I connect it to the computer.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> That was the way I detected the camera with Win soft...
[17:27] <pynki> MarioMey1, you need to connect via network cable to the cmaera or use wps on your wifi router and the camera to connect them.
[17:27] <MarioMey1> Maybe I should try to connect the camera to the router... ?
[17:28] <pynki> Yes. you have to
[17:28] <MarioMey1> Ok, I will disconnect to Internet to use another router (Internet router is far away).
[17:28] <kaili> pynki: yes, the screen works. But only using 1920x1080 or lower resolution, not using its optimal 2560x1440 resolution. In other word, that works : xrandr --output DP-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60 --right-of eDP-1-1 --------- but this one doesn't :  xrandr --output DP-1-2 --mode 2560x1440 --rate 60 --right-of eDP-1-1
[17:28] <MarioMey1> See you, thanks!
[17:29] <pynki> kaili, rate 60 for thew max relosution? dont knwo if that might be an issue if you look at the xrandr output it says 59,xx
[17:30] <pynki> do you have a HDTV with a similar resolution or any other device to check if its the monitor itself or a general problem with > 1080p
[17:30] <kaili> pynki: I tried 59.95, I tried 50, 40, 30... :p
[17:31] <kaili> pynki: the same setup is working if I boot on Windows
[17:31] <kaili> Same cable, same laptop, same port
[17:31] <kaili> And it works at 2560x1440
[17:31] <thudkol> Here's syslog, though again, no errors: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24402080/ are there other logs I could be looking in to diagnose why the nvidia driver won't stay selected?
[17:32] <pynki> kaili, nvidia card?
[17:32] <kaili> Yes
[17:35] <pynki> kaili: could give you alot of links now i found on google... https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/HQsCY7ErAL4 start here. and dig into it
[17:37] <kaili> pynki: I tried that, it doesn't work
[17:38] <kaili> xrandr --newmode 2560x1440 146.27  2560 2680 2944 3328  1440 1441 1444 1465  -HSync +Vsync
[17:38] <kaili> it gives error messages : X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)   Major opcode of failed request:  140 (RANDR)   Minor opcode of failed request:  16 (RRCreateMode)   Serial number of failed request:  34   Current serial number in output stream:  34
[17:39] <pynki> xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_60.00" 312.25 2560 2752 3024 3488 1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync +vsync
[17:39] <pynki> but i think you tried them all :D
[17:39] <pynki> that one seems common to me in all the google stuff
[17:41] <marvin2> if [ "$CC" ]; then <- is this the right way of checking in bash if $CC environment variable is defined?
[17:42] <pynki> if [ -z "$VAR" ]
[17:42] <nacc> marvin2: not typical -- as that will end up resolving to if [ "" ]; then if CC is unset
[17:42] <kaili> pynki: it does nothing here, I added the mode, selected it and activated it, but still no signal
[17:43] <kaili> Plus it makes kind of a conflict between existing values I believe
[17:43] <nacc> marvin2: also there is a bash channel
[17:44] <marvin2> pynki what difference does -z make?
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: -z checks if the string is empty
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: `man bash` explains
[17:45] <marvin2> nacc I'm there, there's an argument there right now, so I am kinda being ignored
[17:45] <nacc> marvin2: oh ok
[17:45] <marvin2> nacc what does [ "$VAR" ] check?
[17:46] <marvin2> seems to be doing the same thing from my limited testing
[17:46] <nacc> marvin2: if the string value resolved by VAR is equivalent to true
[17:49] <Fenix_Peregrino> Hey guys I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and Im having trouble when launching Thunderbird. Does someone know why it doesnt launch?
[17:49] <kaili> Fenix_Peregrino: launch it from a terminal, it should tell you more about it
[17:50] <Fenix_Peregrino> kaili: ok, give me a sec
[17:51] <pcn> mac_nibblet: I'm getting a possibly similar issue
[17:51] <pcn> I actually came here hoping to get an answer
[17:52] <pcn> I was wondering if the upstream patches at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1681875 in nvme/core may be related.
[17:52] <Fenix_Peregrino> kaili: lol it opened inmediatly. Why is this? I was reading that it may have to do with the GTK package but it seems it wasnt that
[17:54] <kaili> No idea, maybe launcher shortcut is messed up
[17:57] <kaili> Damn I can't switch entirely to ubuntu because of this problem
[17:57] <kaili> I wonder if screen EDID is correct
[18:00] <diskin> hi everyone, my laptop has 8Gb RAM and swap partition is 8Gb as well. However, sometimes it is all filled up and the system freeze. Most of the memory is used by Chrome. Any advice about how to avoid it? I tried to turn swap off, in that case the system starts to kill other processes. With swap, it freezes in disk I/O.
[18:00] <Linwood1> Try enabling swap but set it to 15
[18:00] <Linwood1> I think it comes 60 by default?
[18:01] <Linwood1> my laptop has 8GB as well and this setting seems to work great
[18:02] <diskin> swappiness => 15?
[18:02] <Linwood1> that's what I used
[18:02] <Linwood1> sudo bash -c "echo 'vm.swappiness = 15' >> /etc/sysctl.conf"
[18:03] <Linwood1> sudo sysctl -p
[18:03] <diskin> thanks Linwood1 - I will experiment
[18:03] <Linwood1> hope it helps
[18:05] <kaili> Anyone else to give me a hand on this nasty problem ?
[18:06] <Linwood1> sorry i just logged in, what is the problem kaili?
[18:07] <stevessss> so.. on ubuntu 16.04, ever since my upgrade, I've had an issue
[18:07] <stevessss> if I log in with a desktop such as windowmaker, or blackbox, or fvwm etc that isn't kde or gnome
[18:07] <stevessss> I need to run this before launching gedit
[18:08] <stevessss> export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
[18:08] <stevessss> export $(dbus-launch)
[18:08] <kaili>  external monitor not working at optimal resolution (2560x1440 ; it works using 1920x1080) connected from my laptop display port with HDMI cable using Ubuntu 17.04. The same setup is working on Windows, it's definitely an Ubuntu problem. tried with and without nvidia proprietary driver, it doesn't change the problem. Here is the xrandr : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402030/ and the Xorg log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402036/
[18:08] <stevessss> and put that in my .xsession file before the line to launch windowmaker
[18:08] <stevessss> it shoudl be a default that gtk apps work without tweaking if I log in cmd-line only or over ssh without launching a gnome desktop or unity desktop
[18:09] <djnd> stevessss: why?
[18:09] <stevessss> without those 2 lines pasted in the shell   all gnome apps such as gedit, gnome-terminal crash, but gtk apps such as firefox still work
[18:10] <stevessss> ubuntu has always given a choice of desktop environments from complex ones such as unity, gnome, kde, to simple ones such as blackbox, windowmaker, awesome
[18:10] <nacc> stevessss: you just said that 'gtk apps ... work' -- so the prior statement doens't make sense? do you mean 'gnome apps work without tweaking' ?
[18:10] <stevessss> yeah
[18:11] <stevessss> google "no gsettings found ubuntu 16.04"
[18:11] <stevessss> lots of people have this issue
[18:11] <nacc> stevessss: well, yeah, gnome apps probably need a gnome environment
[18:11] <Linwood1> kaili: I found this...
[18:11] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:11] <Linwood1> kaili: https://samuelmartin.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/enabling-resolutions-in-ubuntu-12-04-lubuntu-12-04/
[18:11] <jamesd> some would say that windowmaker and freinds are the more complex, since you are left with the chore of configuring them your self. ;-)
[18:12] <kaili> I already check out the first 4 google pages
[18:12] <Kiyoshiakira> Hello
[18:12] <Linwood1> Kiyoshiakira: Hi
[18:12] <djnd> compile gedit without dbus or dsettings
[18:12] <stevessss> point is.. gnome environment shoudl be autoloaded, or easilly loadable, or laodable on launch of gnome apps
[18:12] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm trying to install OBS Studio but keep getting errors
[18:12] <stevessss> kde apps launch what is needed of kde env if you launch from plain old shell with $DISPLAY set
[18:13] <stevessss> so do gnustep apps
[18:13] <stevessss> and athena apps
[18:13] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Pastebin the command and it's output - so we see all in contect .
[18:14] <stevessss> ubuntu 15.04 and earlier all have gnome apps working on plain old shell with data loaded as needed from any window manager
[18:14] <ioria> stevessss,  env | grep  XDG_DATA_DIRS    what it says ?
[18:15] <Kiyoshiakira> Where do I paste?
[18:15] <nacc> !pastebin | Kiyoshiakira
[18:15] <stevessss> on unmodified default shell from wmaker that shows nothing
[18:16] <stevessss> but I put an export line in my xsession
[18:16] <stevessss> so now its XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
[18:16] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402284/
[18:17] <Ryvius> Hello, any way to eliminate screen tearing under Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, with an nvidia card?
[18:17] <stevessss> maybe XDG_DATA_DIRS should be in default bashrc and zshrc etc?
[18:17] <djnd> what login manager do you use?
[18:17] <stevessss> I use xdm
[18:17] <ioria> stevessss,  it is default
[18:18] <stevessss> ahh.. maybe its my upgrade and custom bashrc files
[18:18] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: you are using so many PPAs :/
[18:19] <Kiyoshiakira> No idea what I'm doing
[18:19] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: cdrom lines can probably be commented out if you're not using a cdrom actively
[18:19] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:19] <nacc> !ppa | Kiyoshiakira
[18:19] <j4ckcom> how can i install gqrx?
[18:19] <Kiyoshiakira> So what do I do?
[18:19] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: So dar . uncheck the CDrom box and - http://ppa.launchpad.net/kirillshkrogalev/ffmpeg-next/ubuntu does not support zesty. disable this PPA .
[18:19] <stevessss> maybe upgrade of .zshrc and .bashrc require warnings if they dont load profile.d or dont have that setting on the old manual one
[18:20] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  gqrx-sdr sits in the repos
[18:20] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: you can comment out the cdrom lines (dig around /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:20] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: some of your ppas are broken, open "Software Sources" and change them manually from "zesty"  to "yakkety"
[18:21] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: also, the PPA doesn't have zesty support i imagine
[18:21] <Fasort> why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda
[18:21] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: ^^ and same for - http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu - not supported in zesty .
[18:21] <Fasort> anyone please?
[18:21] <j4ckcom> oh MonkeyDust  there is no package that can be install with gqrx-sdr?
[18:21] <nacc> Kiyoshiakira: i also don't think it's legitimate to say "I dont know what I'm doing" -- you had to add those PPAs as root on your system, so you did that with some intention
[18:22] <krypto_> nacc Kiyoshiakira +1
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  type    sudo apt install gqrx-sdr
[18:22] <j4ckcom> just sudo apt install gqrx-sdr?
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> j4ckcom  yes, that's the line to install, i have no clue how to use or configure it, however
[18:23] <j4ckcom> ok thanks MonkeyDust :)
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> !info gqrx-sdr
[18:25] <Kiyoshiakira> Well what I mean is I don't know how to do everything that is needed
[18:26] <Linwood1> kaili: did it work?
[18:26] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: None of us know everything about everything in linux . But we do learn .
[18:26] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I found the files, there was a way to change them in the terminal but I tried and couldn't figure out how to exit.
[18:27] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: were you in vim? try :wq, ctrl+x for nano
[18:27] <Kiyoshiakira> I want to try to change them as text but they say read only
[18:27] <krypto_> use with sudo
[18:28] <krypto_> can use gedit if you want gui
[18:28] <selsper> whats gedit?
[18:28] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: My guessing skills are weak .. Need to know who, what, when, where and what happens .
[18:28] <k1l_> but dont use gedit with sudo
[18:28] <nacc> selsper: graphical editor
[18:29] <djnd> wut
[18:30] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok, so I've been following instructions on installing programs like OBS Studio. Tried and failed.
[18:31] <mark76> Does anyone know how to configure Plank?
[18:31] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you fix your apt files? do you get any errors when running sudo apt update?
[18:31] <djnd> what's the problem Kiyoshiakira ?
[18:31] <Kiyoshiakira> Yeah I pasted the bin for it
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> PPAs that don't work I guess?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> zesty releases
[18:32] <djnd> define "doesn't work"
[18:32] <krypto_> did you comment out the cdrom lines?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> Told to change txt file
[18:32] <krypto_> did you update that one ppa to use yakkety?
[18:32] <Kiyoshiakira> It doesn't install properly, I can't find the program
[18:32] <djnd> if there is no zesty in ppa use yakkety, willy, vivid, etc.
[18:33] <djnd> *wily
[18:33] <nacc> djnd: that is bad advice
[18:33] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: do you have a gui? then go to system settings and to the aoftware and updates part. there unselect the cdrom.
[18:33] <Kiyoshiakira> Can you give me the commands to do it?
[18:33] <nacc> djnd: if there is no zesty in a ppa, don't use that ppa in zesty
[18:33] <k1l_> djnd: its bad to mix the releases. and that will most likely result in dependency hell.
[18:33] <djnd> the distro updater shouldn' t touch ppas, that' s the problem
[18:34] <krypto_> nacc: question- if it's an abandoned ppa, but still works for zesty just hasn't been maintained, is falling back to yakkety generally safe?
[18:34] <ioria> looks  supported in zesty  : https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio
[18:34] <EldonMcGuinness> Any ubuntu-gnome users around? I installed 17.04, but can't seem to find the legacy notification icons and topicons does not seem to work either. :/
[18:34] <tgm4883> krypto_: there's no "generally" when it comes to PPAs
[18:34] <nacc> djnd: the distro updater does not touch ppas it disables them
[18:34] <krypto_> yah good point
[18:35] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: and remove that ffmpeg PPA, its gone since trusty (14.04) anyway.
[18:35] <tgm4883> EldonMcGuinness: top icons works here
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> in 17.04?
[18:35] <nacc> krypto_: well 'safe' also is hard to determine with PPAs :)
[18:35] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: you don' t have to edit text files. use software sources applet
[18:35] <mark76> Did I ask a question about Plank?
[18:35] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: and the kubuntu-backports PPA doesnt have 17.04 packages right now. so you can disable that
[18:35] <tgm4883> EldonMcGuinness: yep
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> If so then perhaps something is borked for me and I should just reinstall it
[18:35] <mark76> I'm not sure which tab I typed it in
[18:35] <EldonMcGuinness> thanks for the info tgm4883
[18:35] <krypto_> mark76: i don't think the channel supports 3rd party dock questions
[18:36] <djnd> is kubuntu an official flavor?
[18:36] <nacc> djnd: yes
[18:36] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I unselected it. After it said I had to reload, then it said Failed to download repository information
[18:37] <tasslehoff> To get status mails from mdadm, do I just have to set MAILADDR in mdam.conf?
[18:37] <sebsebseb> EldonMcGuinness: I got the 16.10 version installed ubuntu gnome
[18:37] <sebsebseb> EldonMcGuinness: and maybe a 17.04 in virttual machine as well
[18:37] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: yes, seem my 2nd and 3rd message on the other 2 PPAs
[18:37] <djnd> nacc: it doesn' t have QA passed stamp in the package manager
[18:37] <Kiyoshiakira> The repository wasn't signed
[18:38] <k1l_> Kiyoshiakira: the ffmpeg-next PPA is dead since 14.04. so no need to have that on your system at all.
[18:38] <nacc> djnd: not sure, i'd ask the kubuntu developers
[18:39] <k1l_> djnd: its pacakges are in universe. its not maintained by canonical.
[18:39] <djnd> i see
[18:40] <Kiyoshiakira> I've opened as root
[18:42] <Kiyoshiakira> Changing each instance of zesty to yakkety
[18:43] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: i don' t see obs studio ppa in your sources list
[18:43] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: NO ! mixing release repositories is UN-Good .
[18:44] <Kiyoshiakira> I was just told to
[18:45] <Kiyoshiakira> Can I run a screen sharing program that someone can see and help?
[18:45] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Then others here should have exclaimed before me .
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Kiyoshiakira: Mixing releases realy messes up the installed system libraries ! The only fix in this case is a fresh clean install !
[18:46] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: ok first thing's first, undo the change of zesty -> yakkety on
[18:46] <krypto_> all instances you mentioned
[18:47] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: press Windows key and type "software". you should see "software and updates" item
[18:48] <djnd> use it to fix ppa paths, do not mess with sources.list manually
[18:49] <Kiyoshiakira> found it
[18:49] <Kiyoshiakira> I changed everything back
[18:50] <Kiyoshiakira> I found Other Software with what looks like the items mentioned checkmarked
[18:51] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you uncheck that cdrom one also?
[18:51] <djnd> look for failing ppas, click on edit and change Distribution field there
[18:51] <Kiyoshiakira> yes
[18:52] <krypto_> ok good - let's see the output of "sudo apt update | pastebinit" now
[18:54] <djnd> i don't  think you need the ffmpeg-next ppa as it is for trusty and utopic
[18:55] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402533/
[18:56] <djnd> good, it should work
[18:57] <ioria> it's still there
[19:00] <Kiyoshiakira> waiting for krypto
[19:00] <krypto_> yeah what the others said
[19:01] <Kiyoshiakira> So what should work now?
[19:01] <djnd> now install your studio
[19:01] <latino31> I reecently upgraded from ubuntu 16.10 to 17.04 ..i guess less than a week ago but with the upgrade my pc has froze twice..no major software program change since 16.10 other than a few upgrades with the ubuntu upgrade like weechat, hexchat, tor, apache2...someone on a ubuntu help page suggested this fix for ubuntu freezes http://anonypaste.com/fa1b48 ... the original link is this https://askubuntu.com/questions/761706/ubuntu-15-10-and-16-04-
[19:01] <latino31> keep-freezing-randomly  and said it worked for them and I was curious of your thoughts on this fix or why my pc maybe freezing...
[19:02] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: so after you uncheck the ffmpeg line, uncheck the kubuntu backports as well
[19:03] <Kiyoshiakira> ok
[19:03] <krypto_> is skype the only remaining error now?
[19:03] <Liubuntu> Hello everyone
[19:04] <Kiyoshiakira> Skype is installed and working
[19:04] <krypto_> latino31: when you say froze, were you able to hit, for example, ctrl+alt+F3 to login into another tty?
[19:04] <krypto_> ok so run the sudo apt update | pastebinit again. let's see what it looks like
[19:05] <djnd> Kiyoshiakira: you can look for that public key with "Keys and passwords" applet: DF7587C3
[19:05] <djnd> then you can export it in a text file and import it from the "Authentication" tab in "Program sources"
[19:06] <Bashing-om> latino31: What is the graphic's card ? Maybe graihics related ??
[19:06] <latino31> kypto, i can try that but when i say freeze nothing on the pc moves and this latest freeze after the monitor went dim for being idle the monitor screen would not wake up...but i can try ctrl alt f3 if it happens again
[19:07] <latino31> but since it has happened twice ..something else is going on...should not need to press ctrl alt f3 to wake up the screen
[19:07] <krypto_> latino31: yeah let's wait til it happens again, freezes can be tough to pinpoint
[19:07] <latino31> i hear ya
[19:07] <krypto_> agree
[19:07] <latino31> i can try that
[19:07] <shadygoose> installed tor following the commands here https://www.linux.com/blog/beginners-guide-tor-ubuntu but I can't find it in my applications
[19:08] <djnd> shadygoose: tor is a console application
[19:08] <krypto_> latino31: should that happen again, and you're able to login in through the other tty, type "top" or "htop" if that's installed, and see if there's a process eating up CPU
[19:08] <shadygoose> djnd: how do i launch it?
[19:09] <djnd> shadygoose: open the terminal, type what is written in your instructions
[19:09] <krypto_> shadygoose: I personally use this alias: tor='(cd ~/opt/tor-browser && exec ./start-tor-browser.desktop)'
[19:09] <krypto_> depends on where you installed it though
[19:09] <latino31> interesting thaks but usually the light on the pc is light up when a process is running hard that causes a temp freeze and i did not see that
[19:09] <tonydanza> So while Ubuntu does it's swap -> gnome, any way to skip a step & get a stable version of it now?
[19:10] <tonydanza> That is, gnome+ubuntu that already exists? Or should I run kubuntu temporarily. Really need a distro with xorg (for nvidia support).
[19:11] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm hip I laugh at tonydanza lol hank hill
[19:13] <Bashing-om> tonydanza: gnome3 in 17.04 is solid as a rock on my AMD system .
[19:13] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402660/
[19:14] <shadygoose> tor='(cd ~/opt/tor-browser && exec ./start-tor-browser.desktop)' doesn't return anything and the instructions don't mention how I can run the program. should I download the tor package from their website?
[19:14] <tonydanza> @Bashing-om Roger that! I'll try that. :D
[19:14] <krypto_> shadygoose: that's an alias i made for myself
[19:15] <krypto_> where did you unzip the download to?
[19:15] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: nice, we're almost there. Let's fix that skype error, follow the instructions here: https://repo.skype.com/
[19:15] <Liubuntu> could anyone help me with a iptables configuration please?
[19:16] <shadygoose> krypto: I got the package from their website and can run it as an executable but why did I follow all the steps in the previous link i posted?
[19:17] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way. An alternative, more simper way to install tor is to download the source .tar.gz file from their website, untar it, cd into that directory, and ./start-tor-browser
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way. An alternative, more simper way to install tor is to download the source .tar.gz file from their website, untar it, cd into that directory, and ./start-tor-browser
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way
[19:18] <krypto_> shadygoose: basically you installed it through a PPA, which is nice because you will get updates this way
[19:18] <tgm4883> ok you can stop that now
[19:18] <krypto_> very sorry about that
[19:19] <djnd_> tor is in repos by the way
[19:19] <shadygoose> krypto: when I got it from the PPA, the download size was around 8mb and I couldn't run it cos I couldn't find the file. why's that?
[19:20] <krypto_> how'd you try to run it?
[19:20] <shadygoose> krypto: I entered 'tor' in the console cos I couldn't find a shortcut in the applications dashboard
[19:21] <shadygoose> let me post a pic from the terminal
[19:21] <krypto_> it could be something like tor-browser, not sure
[19:22] <krypto_> i had compiled from source personally on that one
[19:22] <pvl1> start_tor_browser
[19:22] <krypto_> ty
[19:22] <Kiyoshiakira> be back after a bit gonna turn off power
[19:23] <shadygoose> https://unsee.cc/diranopu/
[19:23] <agostino> hallo
[19:25] <krypto_> hmm looks like it's already running, try ps aux | grep 'tor' to verify
[19:28] <djnd_> tor is a service
[19:28] <shadygoose> https://unsee.cc/pudenita/
[19:29] <shadygoose> it is running but how do I get to the browser? :p
[19:29] <derstrom> I’m planning to dual boot my iMac with OS X and Ubuntu 17.04, but no matter what I try, whenever I attempt to boot into the LiveCD I am greeted by a black screen. I have tried adding nomodeset parameter in the boot options but this doesn’t make a difference. I’m pretty short on ideas to what the cause is at this point :-(
[19:30] <derstrom> I’ve tried booting into a pen drive too, with the same outcome.
[19:30] <krypto_> shadygoose: yeah, im not sure, i run it in --detach mode
[19:30] <sebsebseb> !mac
[19:30] <krypto_> shadygoose: you can try killing that daemon process, looks like 15681? second from bottom
[19:31] <shadygoose> ok
[19:32] <derstrom> sebsebseb: That doesn’t help. All documentation on the Ubuntu wiki points to booting into the LiveCD with nomodeset, which is not working for me.
[19:33] <djnd_> that help page is from 2015
[19:35] <derstrom> djnd_: Nothing on the wiki helps. I would not resort to IRC if it did.
[19:36] <shadygoose> krypto: killed it. started it again and it's stuck at this https://unsee.cc/zutidose/
[19:47] <zxyz> Hello people
[19:47] <zxyz> Has anyone ever tried putting in i3-gaps in Ubuntu?
[19:49] <Kiyoshiakira> Hello
[19:49] <zxyz> Hi
[19:50] <Kiyoshiakira> Anyone have a debian based package for OBS
[19:51] <JustTheDoctor> how do i fix "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[19:52] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: identify your held packages with broken dependencies.
[19:52] <krypto_> shadygoose: sorry was having lunch. kill that process (ctrl+c) and try "start_tor_browser"
[19:52] <JustTheDoctor> 1 moment please
[19:52] <lrojas> hi all, i have an issue when running pip from a venv ( python3 -m venv myenv && source myenv/bin/activate && pip list --outdated )
[19:52] <lrojas> this is on ubuntu 17.04
[19:52] <lrojas> i noticed there is a python3.6 package but the default python3 is still 3.5
[19:53] <lrojas> i wonder if the setup-tools that get installed with venv are buggy
[19:53] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: will this http://107.174.34.78/broke.log help you help me?
[19:53] <krypto_> lrojas what's the error you get?
[19:53] <lrojas> because this happens only
[19:53] <lrojas> krypto_: give a sec, let me pastebin it
[19:53] <shadygoose> krypto: command not found. I think I'll just use the downloaded tor browser bundle :p
[19:54] <krypto_> shadygoose: wow, yeah. im glad i went straight to source for this one
[19:54] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: show the output of: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; sudo apt-get -f install
[19:54] <zxyz> I want a bit of help, I tried downloading Qt5-webengine on Xubuntu, and whenever I do "qutebrowser --backend webengine", it throws me an error that it does not exist
[19:54] <krypto_> honestly, download the .tar.gz file, tar xvf, cd into the directory, and use that alias i gave
[19:54] <zxyz> What's the PyQt5 edition of Webengine in Ubuntu
[19:54] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: one moment please
[19:55] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. thanks mate.
[19:56] <krypto_> shadygoose: np, let me now if it doesn't work
[19:56] <krypto_> *know
[19:56] <selsper> trying to watch twitch on firefox, but the sound is awful
[19:57] <JustTheDoctor> tomreyn: http://107.174.34.78/
[19:57] <selsper> how do i check what audio drivers i need
[19:57] <Kiyoshiakira> Ugh
[19:57] <JustTheDoctor> update.log policy.log get.log
[19:57] <Kiyoshiakira> Nothing works
[19:57] <lrojas> krypto_: http://paste2.org/2v9HcmfB
[19:57] <Bashing-om> !info Qt5-webengine yakkety
[19:57] <Dmole> Anyone know of any glaring omissions on this page?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host-based_intrusion_detection_system_comparison
[19:57] <krypto_> lrojas: what happened you try "pip3 list --outdated"
[19:57] <krypto_> *happens
[19:58] <Bashing-om> zxyz: ^^ ppa ? As it seems not a ubuntu package .
[19:59] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: also teach your web server that .log files are of mime type text/plain
[19:59] <JustTheDoctor> i dont plan on doing this offten
[19:59] <lrojas> krypto_: same error, which makes sense since pip3 is pip inside a venv created with python3 -m venv myenv
[19:59] <JustTheDoctor> its just easer to command > title.log it then pastebin it
[19:59] <krypto_> i see
[19:59] <Kiyoshiakira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24402863/
[20:00] <Kiyoshiakira> That's what I'm using as the instructions from OBS to install it
[20:01] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: don't run that, try the PPA
[20:01] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you try this one yet? https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio
[20:01] <krypto_> looks like it has zesty support
[20:01] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: the first paste you provided was the result of which command? http://107.174.34.78/broke.log
[20:01] <Kiyoshiakira> yEAH
[20:01] <Kiyoshiakira> oop
[20:01] <lrojas> krypto_: also, notice that in my other venv it works without problems. the diference being that it was created before upgrading to 17.04
[20:02] <krypto_> lrojas, yeah that's gotta be it
[20:02] <JustTheDoctor> apt-get install autoconf libboost-all-dev libssl-dev libprotobuf-dev protobuf-compiler libqt4-dev libqrencode-dev libtool
[20:03] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: also, would you mind running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[20:03] <lrojas> krypto_: any idea how to fix? or what could be broken?
[20:03] <tomreyn> since you have pending upgrades
[20:03] <JustTheDoctor> it has some work to do so please stand by
[20:03] <tomreyn> "11 not upgraded"
[20:03] <krypto_> lrojas: try "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/venvz/naws-new"
[20:04] <krypto_> how'd that z get there, should be ~/venvs sorry
[20:04] <scootergrisen> Are there a better way to see what have been translated then whats on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+lang/da?batch=300 ?
[20:04] <krypto_> then "source ~/venvs/naws-new/bin/activate"
[20:04] <mac_nibblet> After upgrading to 17.04 the OS keeps crashing and the / partition goes into read-only mode
[20:05] <mac_nibblet> no idea what triggers it, and once it happens I cannot run any commands
[20:06] <lrojas> krypto_: virtualenv is for python2.7 python3 -m venv is a different package that works with python3 ...  that would not work as it would create a python2.7 env
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> Ok I successfully did that part
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> So how do I install it now
[20:06] <Kiyoshiakira> Where do I look for the package?
[20:07] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Have you run a manual file system check ? and is the install to a SSD ?
[20:08] <krypto_> lrojas, gotcha
[20:08] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: did you try sudo apt install obs-studio
[20:09] <shadygoose> krypto: works! thanks again.
[20:09] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: sure, if the issue persists after that (try installing those packages again), tell me whether "apt-mark showhold; dpkg -l | grep ^h" produces any output
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, yeah I ran the LiveUSB and ran fsck on the drive, no errors
[20:09] <krypto_> shadygoose awesome! np
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> And yes it's an SSD
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> Non-Volatile memory controller: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd NVMe SSD Controller SM951/PM951 (rev 01)
[20:09] <mac_nibblet> To be more specific
[20:10] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Then in my experience .. is AHCI enabled in bios ?
[20:10] <mac_nibblet> Should be, I have not touched the bios in 7 months
[20:10] <Kiyoshiakira> WOOO
[20:10] <Kiyoshiakira> Finally it's there
[20:10] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, Want me to check ?
[20:11] <Kiyoshiakira> Thanks for the help
[20:11] <krypto_> Kiyoshiakira: nice :) anytime
[20:12] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Yeah . I tell ya thge truth . I like to have never have found how to enable AHCI in my bios when I installed a SSD . Must be AHCI enabled !
[20:12] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, but I ran 16.10 for 7 months without any problems :S
[20:12] <krypto_> lrojas: was searching around, have you tried: pip3 install --force pip
[20:12] <mac_nibblet> oh well, ill go check, back in a few min
[20:13] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Cheap insurance to verify .
[20:16] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: strange that he goes to check now, since we had the same conversation last night and he said it was enabled.
[20:17] <tomreyn> i asked about the AHCI vs RAID settion then
[20:17] <Kiyoshiakira> I'm gonna stay on this channel in case I run into any issues
[20:18] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Some people's children !- Then again - who can know the truth ? -
[20:18] <tomreyn> *setting
[20:18] <tomreyn> only the black box vendor knows the truth, and only sometimes.
[20:19] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, AHCI is enabled
[20:19] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: I installed a SSD about 2 months ago . Has drove me nuts trying to get it to work seamlessly on this old hard ware . I finally found a reference to enable raid on my main board to engage AHCI !
[20:20] <mac_nibblet> Hmfp
[20:21] <mac_nibblet> not idea what to test now :/
[20:21] <Guest63533> hi
[20:21] <mac_nibblet> And I cannot acquire a new laptop for at least another three weeks
[20:21] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Then next is to monitor the logs .. see if you can spot an anommaly - I like ' journalcrl -f ' to "watch" .
[20:22] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, as soon as the "error" occurs the terminal dies, and I cannot use any of the TTY
[20:22] <mac_nibblet> Read Input/Output error is all i get when i try and run commands
[20:23] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: I too experience a similar issue - what is the graphic's chip ? In my case intalling the proprietary driver maybe my solution .
[20:25] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: But in my case the system dies with no warnings or errors reported . Just "dead Jim" !
[20:27] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, I lose my internet connection, all icons disaper and every app says read only errors
[20:28] <mac_nibblet> Bashing-om, I'm running the latest nvidia drivers 378
[20:28] <cambazz> hello, when i am trying to apt-get update I am getting errors like W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-arm64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.161 80]
[20:28] <cambazz> anyone know what happened to binary-arm64 packages
[20:29] <k1l_> cambazz: arm64? you use an arm board?
[20:29] <cambazz> k1l_ : i have a nvidia jetson tx2, this is the host computer that I installed tools, crosscompiled and uploaded to the nvidia board.
[20:30] <cambazz> but now my host computer has lost ability to apt-get update
[20:30] <k1l_> cambazz: i dont see any arm files in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/
[20:30] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Sorry, all I can suggest at this point is "watch" the logs .
[20:30] <mac_nibblet> :D
[20:30] <cambazz> k1l_ : yes there are not.
[20:31] <mac_nibblet> tail -f /var/log/*.log
[20:31] <mac_nibblet> yolo
[20:31] <tomreyn> cambazz: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ is where arm64 is available
[20:32] <k1l_> cambazz: i wonder, did that work before? i am sure the arm packages are at the ports.ubuntu.com repos. did you change them?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> mac_nibblet: Is this a desktop box ? What I did find to help with ATA errors on my system was seperate the SSD from the spinners on differing SATA controllers .
[20:32] <cambazz> tomreyn: and how can i set that up as default mirror_
[20:32] <cambazz> k1l_: yes i just run the nvidia tools and it worked before,
[20:32] <tomreyn> cambazz: so yu'd need to edit your sources.list to point to the right server. but it's weird that you're finding this out about a running system.
[20:33] <Dr-007> what should i set up? vmware or a virtualbox? and why?
[20:33] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Try them both. See which you like.
[20:33] <nacc> Dr-007: do you need virtualization?
[20:33] <tomreyn> cambazz: are you really sure that you're on an arm64 architecture system?
[20:33] <tomreyn> not amd64 or something?
[20:33] <k1l_> Dr-007: start with virtualbox. if you know why you would need vmware, then you can use it
[20:34] <lrojas> krypto_: havent tried that
[20:34] <cambazz> tomreyn: i am on an x86_64 system. I have nvidia jetson tx2, which is an arm computer, i installed the nvidia tools on my host (x86) computer, flashed the nvidia computers disk after compiling, and now my x86 is broken giving that arm errors.
[20:35] <lrojas> krypto_: let me see if that works
[20:35] <Kobaz> any tips and tricks for getting wireless working?
[20:35] <Kobaz> every device here can connect, except the ubuntu laptop.  it says 'configuring interface' and then goes back to disconnected
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: are you using network-manager?
[20:36] <Kobaz> yeah, network manager is running
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: you might try using nmcli and see if it gives you more output
[20:36] <lrojas> krypto_: no dice, says is already "satisfied" by package inside venv
[20:36] <nacc> Kobaz: syslog and/or dmesg might also have some information as to why it disconnect
[20:36] <tomreyn> cambazz: looks like you followed some bad how-to. would you like to link to it, or list the commands you ran and modifications you made?
[20:37] <Kobaz> mmm
[20:37] <Kobaz> nacc: authentication timed out
[20:37] <Kobaz> yeah i was wondering where the logging goes
[20:37] <nacc> Kobaz: ah, interesting
[20:37] <nacc> Kobaz: i think n-m logs to syslog by default
[20:38] <Kobaz> password is correct.... all other devices can connect just fine
[20:38] <nacc> Kobaz: other devices also using ubuntu?
[20:38] <Kobaz> i may copy over my wpa_supplicant setup from my debian system and see if that connects
[20:38] <Kobaz> nacc: nope
[20:39] <Kobaz> windows, andriod, chromecast, etc
[20:39] <nacc> Kobaz: ok, i think there are ways to get nm to be even more verbose, or like i suggested earlier, you coudl try nmcli and maybe you'd see why it's failing
[20:39] <krypto_> lrojas: what about upgrade instead of install?
[20:39] <nacc> Kobaz: you're not using any esoteric auth, are you?
[20:39] <Kobaz> nacc: nope
[20:40] <nacc> Kobaz: ok -- yeah, i'm not a n-m expert, so i'm not sure how best to debug
[20:40] <nacc> Kobaz: i'm guessing, though, the 'timeout' is a red herring and the auth is actually failing
[20:41] <lrojas> krypto_: same deal
[20:42] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, i've tried them both once. vmware is pretty commercial i member
[20:42] <Dr-007> and virtualbox is made by cisco i believe
[20:42] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: VirtualBox is provided by Oracle these days.
[20:43] <nacc> Dr-007: you don't need either to use virtualization, either
[20:43] <bekks> Since ages. :)
[20:43] <Dr-007> nacc, my server broke. so as a temporarily solution (tomorrow work starts again) so yes. tomorrow i need virtualization to continue
[20:43] <Dr-007> k1l_, i think i'll do that (start with virtal box)
[20:43] <lrojas> whata  cluster#$%#$
[20:43] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, ah yes. oracle
[20:47] <Kobaz> nacc: generally i hate to troubleshoot this way... but rebooting fixed the problem
[20:47] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Someone mentioned LXD (https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd) to me as well the other day. I think it's supposed to be a more lightweight solution with virtualization and everything. Haven't really dived in yet.
[20:48] <pleb101> having a pretty miserable time trying to install these NVidia drivers, I need some help in killing "X", when I do lightdm stop my whole screen just goes black and I don't have a terminal to keep doing things with
[20:48] <Dr-007> ChaiTrex, sounds a little like docker
[20:49] <Dr-007> https://www.docker.com/
[20:49] <Dr-007> lets have a looksy at linuxcontainers
[20:49] <Bashing-om> pleb101: installing from OEM is a means of last resort . What is the problem with the repo driver ?
[20:50] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Yeah, I think it is.
[20:50] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, yeah LXD is a container "hypervisor"
[20:50] <pleb101> Bashing-om: I just did a fresh install of ubuntu 17, my resolution is 640x480 and I can barely see anything cause half the windows are like 50% hidden because the res is so small
[20:51] <pleb101> I got a new GTX 1080 TI to do this install and help with my deep leanring classes, so figured I'd need the newest drivers
[20:51] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, which is nice. but i am left with my windows desktop. so i need to run ubuntu inside vmware or virtualbox. but on my broken server i installed docker and some stuff in it. my home automatisation software
[20:52] <user2__> ibo
[20:52] <thrmo> how can i update 14.10 to 17.04
[20:52] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Are you where you can run ' sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall " where there will be no interference from a former botched install attempt .
[20:52] <tgm4883> thrmo: either fresh install, or 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04
[20:52] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375
[20:52] <tgm4883> thrmo: personally, I'd do a fresh install
[20:52] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yup only tried to run the .run file from nvidia site and it said it couldnt cause X was active
[20:53] <pleb101> let me try that now
[20:53] <Dr-007> thrmo, apt-get upddate && apt-get distupgrade
[20:53] <Dr-007> i believe
[20:53] <Dr-007> with one d
[20:53] <tgm4883> Dr-007: that won't upgrade to a new release
[20:53] <Dr-007> distupgrade no?
[20:53] <pleb101> Bashing-om: it said "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[20:53] <tgm4883> Dr-007: no
[20:54] <Dr-007> then what is the right commando..?
[20:54] <tgm4883> Dr-007: well, if he wasn't on an unsupported version, it would be 'update-manager'
[20:54] <tgm4883> and then do it from there
[20:54] <tgm4883> !eol | thrmo
[20:54] <Dr-007> ok
[20:54] <Bashing-om> pleb101: That is a "upgrade' result .. what about ' sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' ?
[20:54] <tgm4883> he'll need to follow those instructions ^
[20:55] <tgm4883> but really, 14.10 -> 17.04 is going to take a lot longer than a reinstall
[20:55] <pleb101> Bashing-om: that's the result of me doing "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[20:55] <k1l_> Dr-007: ubuntu doesnt use apt to upgrade to a new ubuntu release
[20:56] <ChaiTRex> thrmo: If you don't want to upgrade every six months or so (which 17.04 requires), choose 16.04 instead (upgrades only every four years or so). That said, see the highlighted option in the first image on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation (note the "will be kept" verbiage). Use that option with a 17.04 or 16.04 installer.
[20:56] <pleb101> it did read package lists... Done, building depdendency tree, reading state information... Done, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:56] <pleb101> I'd screenshot but it's on my new computer not this one
[20:56] <k1l_> thrmo: you better make a clean 17.04 install. it will take you way to long to do all the upgrades
[20:56] <k1l_> thrmo: and if you dont like upgrading every 6 months, then better stay on LTS releases like 16.04
[20:56] <thrmo> thanks a lot guys!
[20:57] <thrmo> very helpful!
[20:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-378
[20:58] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Next then, we have the 378 driver in our trusted PPA . want to go that route ? http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/115031/en-us .
[20:59] <Dr-007> k1l_, i've upgraded many times via command line. i thought it was apt distupgrade
[20:59] <Dr-007> but perhabs its another commando
[20:59] <k1l_> Dr-007: its not apt. its "do-release-upgrade"
[20:59] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yea that's what I've done (downloaded that), however it tells me I have to kill X (by typing lightdm stop), and when I do that my entire screen goes black, so I can't continue with the install process at all
[20:59] <Dr-007> but tmg4883, knew it was an autdated unsupported ubuntu the guy is using
[20:59] <Dr-007> ah
[21:00] <Dr-007> thats it, indeed
[21:00] <Dr-007> do-release-upgrade
[21:00] <Dr-007> i'm mistaken
[21:00] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Never seen such from the PPA install . killing X is a driver install from nVida as source on my experience .
[21:01] <pleb101> Bashing-om: sorry not sure what you mean by that
[21:03] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Sorry, I am trying to determine what you have done - that maybe we have to undo to install the driver from our ubuntu sources . As 378 is reommended we get that driver from our PPA if you want to go this route .
[21:04] <pleb101> Bashing-om: I literally have done nothing, I have a fresh install, downloaded that .run file
[21:04] <pleb101> and have done nothing else
[21:04] <pleb101> except try the command "lightdm stop"
[21:04] <pleb101> which made my screen go black so I couldnt continue
[21:04] <pleb101> andbrought me here
[21:08] <Bashing-om> pleb101: K; be right back .
[21:08] <pleb101> Bashing-om: ok thanks
[21:09] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Whike I attend to other matters . what returns - sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ; dpkg -l | grep nvidia* - . Be back soonest .
[21:11] <pleb101> Bashing-om: it shows the file I downloaded, but then says "find: '/run/user/1000/gvfs': Permission Denied"
[21:15] <Bashing-om> pleb101: And no return at all from dpkg command ?
[21:16] <pleb101> Bashing-om: no output, just tried it again without the find
[21:16] <pleb101> to make sure
[21:18] <thrmo> where can i find 17.04 minimal iso?
[21:18] <thrmo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:18] <thrmo> i thought it should be here
[21:18] <Bashing-om> pleb101: To install the 378 driver do ' sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-378 ; sudo reboot ' . One command at the time .
[21:19] <Bashing-om> !minimal
[21:19] <ztane> sigh, systemd-resolved / dnsmasq just stuck... 100 % cpu usage... not the first time. Anyone else had that happen?
[21:19] <ztane> can't do anything before I somehow manage to sudo-edit the /etc/resolv.conf and put the google nameservers there...
[21:19] <thrmo> yeah but there's no link to 17.04 minimal iso in that page Bashing-om
[21:19] <pleb101> Bashing-om: first one says "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~graphics-drivers/ubuntu/ppa'.", "ERROR: '~graphics-drivers' user or team does not exist"
[21:20] <pleb101> this was for the command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa"
[21:20] <ztane> I guess this setup is wrong somehow
[21:20] <ztane> however I didn't do anything on purpose
[21:21] <jamesd> ztane: https://askubuntu.com/questions/143819/how-do-i-configure-my-static-dns-in-interfaces    you need the dns-nameserver lines so that  the /etc/resolv.conf get the correct details
[21:21] <Dr-007> hehe.. this is funny
[21:21] <Bashing-om> thrmo: See: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads .
[21:21]  * Dr-007 makes print screen
[21:22] <ztane> jamesd: I don't have static DNS. this is a laptop.
[21:22] <thrmo> ty Bashing-om
[21:22] <maddawg2> what does having a laptop have to do with a static DNS?
[21:23] <jamesd> ztane: you can put google dns in it if you like, its the only way to update /etc/resolv.conf so that it lasts.
[21:23] <ztane> hmm. I actually did have the google dns in the resolv.conf.
[21:23] <ztane> the problem is that the 127.0.0.1 resolver gets stuck
[21:24] <jamesd> some thing in the ubuntu networking...  gets over writes it.
[21:25] <Dr-007> http://dumpt.com/img/files/2xxjyuupq9c3niog2eop.png
[21:25] <Dr-007> ^ error message i get in the installer
[21:25] <ztane> I absolutely *must* use the ones provided by dhcp or otherwise I cannot do anything at some offices...
[21:26] <ztane> normally the resolv.conf would have just nameserver 127.0.0.1 and that would go to systemd-resolved I guess... but sometimes that just gets stuck... and the only way to use the computer without rebooting is to remove the 127.0.0.1 entry and put in the google dns servers...
[21:26] <Bashing-om> [;eNeats me ! what results with " https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ' in your browser window ? I see no problems here with the PPA .
[21:26] <ztane> but it means that I cannot resolve any local names any more
[21:27] <Bashing-om> pleb101: ^^
[21:27] <Dr-007> ztane, install dnsmasq or bind9
[21:27] <Dr-007> then make it resolve automatically to 8.8.8.8
[21:27] <Dr-007> which i think now is overwritten
[21:28] <Dr-007> the file /etc/resolv.conf notes this on top
[21:28] <Dr-007> (i believe) that you shouldnt edit it, because it gets overwritten
[21:28] <tgm4883> Dr-007: if he does that, then he wouldn't be able to resolve local addresses
[21:29] <Dr-007> tgm4883, yes he can, resolv.conf must refer to 127.0.01 then
[21:29] <Dr-007> so dns requests goto bind9
[21:29] <Dr-007> or dnsmasq
[21:29] <Dr-007> that will cache dns requests on his pc to make webbrowsing faster
[21:30] <Dr-007> and he can still reach localhost
[21:30] <tgm4883> Dr-007: so he should replace dnsmasq with dnsmasq and all his problems are fixed?
[21:30] <Dr-007> you can even set up a top domain in your network so you get awesome domains like. i.am.awesome
[21:30] <Dr-007> i am saying that if it isnt installed he should install it
[21:31] <tgm4883> Dr-007: nm uses dnsmasq. My understanding of his issue is that dnsmasq is hanging (meaning he can't resolve any addresses at that point).
[21:31] <tgm4883> But I may have missed some backlog
[21:32] <Dr-007> oh, maybe you;re right. i read this <ztane> normally the resolv.conf would have just nameserver 127.0.0.1 and that would go to systemd-resolved I guess...
[21:34] <Tachyon_> any advice about choosing an irc server ? it's just for testing
[21:34] <Tachyon_> irc server software
[21:35] <Dr-007> just install icq
[21:35] <Dr-007> or msn ;)
[21:35] <Dr-007> i've installed a server once a long time ago
[21:35] <Dr-007> also tried to replicate it in visual basic
[21:36] <jk0ne> Tachyon_: I recently had to set up ngircd, and it was pretty easy and straightforward
[21:36] <Tachyon_> okay let me see
[21:37] <Dr-007> but i cant remember the name. i see jk0ne already probided one
[21:37] <Dr-007> what are you going to do, if i may ask?
[21:37] <Tachyon_> me ?
[21:38] <Dr-007> yeah
[21:38] <Dr-007> just curious
[21:38] <Tachyon_> I want to make a simple irc bot
[21:38] <pleb101> Bashing-om: finally got it (phew), had to be in a boot without X by doing ctrl+alt+F1 from the login screen, and then your commands worked
[21:39] <Tachyon_> and I need a place to test it
[21:39] <Dr-007> Tachyon_, nice. thats how i started too. creating a socket in visual basic. make it connect to retrieve text. split up the text and go on and on untill i could join a channel and type stuff
[21:39] <Dr-007> i see
[21:40] <Bashing-om> pleb101: Good deal ! complete the sequence, and see what ya got when rebooted :)
[21:40] <Tachyon_> Dr-007: actually, I'm pretty lazy, I'll just use a library for all the IRC protocol. the only thing I'll do is parsing mesages and respond to commands
[21:40] <pleb101> Bashing-om: yea looks good full resolution now, everything looks great. thanks for the help going to finally eat some lunch and get back to setting up
[21:41] <Bashing-om> pleb101: :) // have fun - we are here when ya have a need .
[21:45] <Dr-007> Tachyon_, thats half the fun! the protocol is so easy
[21:45] <Dr-007> like when i need to join this channel i type /join #channel in irc
[21:45] <Dr-007> thats what you send to the server
[21:45] <Dr-007> but i get it, why re-invent the wheel
[21:46] <Dr-007> and if you want to do it quick
[21:52] <Epx998> How can I load the megaraid driver for a network install?
[21:54] <thrmo> kico tell us all about it
[21:55] <kico> hi!
[21:55] <kico> I'm trying to config a VPS
[21:55] <kico> it comes with ubuntu 16.04
[21:55] <kico> but with 2.6 kernel
[21:56] <kico> how can I upgrade it using apt ?
[21:56] <kico> I've tried downloading the .debs for the 4.4.14.xenial but it doesn't work
[21:57] <kico> thanks in advance
[21:57] <nacc> kico: 2.6!? probably your vps is using some custom kernel and you're unable to change it
[21:57] <nacc> kico: also, it's not '16.04' if running 2.6
[21:57] <nacc> kico: even if the vps provider says it is :)
[21:58] <tgm4883> geez
[21:58] <kico> # lsb_release -a
[21:58] <kico> No LSB modules are available.
[21:58] <kico> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[21:58] <kico> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[21:58] <kico> Release:        16.04
[21:58] <kico> Codename:       xenial
[21:58] <tgm4883> kico: what VPS?
[21:58] <tgm4883> kico: well, when you're no longer quieted, what VPS
[21:58] <thrmo> i can relay you kico
[21:58] <thrmo> pm me
[21:59] <nacc> kico: yes, i understand that your system reports 16.04. Unfortunately your vps is making a very bad choice and lying about what is actually running :(
[21:59] <tgm4883> thrmo: or.... he can just wait a minute or 2
[21:59] <nacc> kico: in that they are not usingthe 16.04 kernel
[21:59] <nacc> kico: i would complain to your vps provider and find a better one
[21:59] <kico> sorry about that!
[21:59] <tgm4883> kico: let us know what VPS that is
[21:59] <tgm4883> I'd like to steer people away from it
[21:59] <kico> nacc, thanks!
[21:59]  * nacc wonders if it might be a container VPS, but not sure
[22:00] <kico> nacc, yes I think it is
[22:00] <tgm4883> oh
[22:00] <kico> ptisp.pt
[22:00] <ChaiTRex> kico: What is `uname -a`?
[22:00] <nacc> kico: if it's a container VPS then changing the kernel makes no sense
[22:00] <nacc> kico: containers don't have their own kernel
[22:01] <kico> # uname -a
[22:01] <kico> Linux pool 2.6.32-042stab120.6 #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:59:03 MSK 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:01] <hfp> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 and the latest kernel is causing me crashes. I booted with the previous kernel version and it's fine. How can I make this permanent without entering grub and selecting the kernel everytime?
[22:02] <k1l_> kico: on some VPS you cant upgrade the kernel. ask the hoster about that
[22:03] <kico> ok thanks a lot for you help nacc k1l_ tgm4883
[22:03] <nacc> kico: yw
[22:05] <rizonz> I'm still wodering why my upstart files for my nics are not found
[22:05] <andywww> i would like to set up a raid array for NAS in a home server that has 4 HDD bays. I currently have 2 disks set up as raid1 and one of this disks has failed. If my first priority was maximising disk space, my second was the ability to 'rescue' data in the event of another failure and my third (but less important) was read speed, what would be the best arrangement and would it be possible to add extra disks and use the current disk (mounted as a single volume) in
[22:05] <andywww> array whilst preserving the data on it?
[22:05] <nacc> rizonz: 14.04?
[22:06] <Bashing-om> hfp: Edit /etc/default/grub line " GRUB_DEFAULT=0 " to the desired entry nbr from the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file's menu entires .
[22:06] <Bashing-om> !grub | hfp
[22:06] <nacc> hfp: and also file a bug :)
[22:06] <ChaiTRex> andywww: The first priority conflicts with the second, so you can't get the second.
[22:07] <azizLIGHT> what kernel is ubuntu 16.04 default on
[22:07] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[22:07] <nacc> azizLIGHT: 4.4 for 16.04.1, 4.8 for 16.04.2
[22:07] <azizLIGHT> are there others available for 16.04
[22:07] <k1l_> 4.4, but if you isntall the 16.04.2 image you get the 4.8 kernel
[22:07] <nacc> (for the hwe kernels, that is)
[22:07] <andywww> yeah i get that i need to sacrafice some space for the ability to preserve, i’m just trying to work out which is the most efficient way of going about it
[22:08] <nacc> azizLIGHT: no, 4.4 and 4.8 are it
[22:08] <azizLIGHT> is it possible to get other kernels? if so, how
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> s/other kernels/newer kernels/
[22:09] <nacc> azizLIGHT: why? other kernels are not supported
[22:09] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: what is the idea behind that question? is there an issue?
[22:09] <hfp> Yeah 14.04, I've been delaying the upgrading process because I don't want the machine to break and reinstall...
[22:09] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: You can install linux-generic-hwe-16.04 and remove linux-generic.
[22:09] <nacc> anything is 'possible', of course -- you can build your own kernel, if you want
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> im looking at a bluetooth adapter on amazon and it says it needs kernel 4.9+
[22:09] <azizLIGHT> for linux support
[22:10] <nacc> azizLIGHT: you could run 17.04 then, or wait until 16.04.3
[22:10] <azizLIGHT> what kernel version will be in 16.04.3? and when will it release?
[22:10] <nacc> azizLIGHT: around august, 4.10 based
[22:10] <azizLIGHT> hmmm, i think ill wait for that
[22:11] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: it will have the 17.04 backports kernel then. 3 months after the 17.04 release
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: If you install the linux-generic-hwe-16.04 package, you get 4.10 with 16.04.3. If not, 4.4.
[22:11] <Bashing-om> hfp: 14.04 is supported til 2019. no hurry to upgrade .
[22:11] <nacc> ChaiTRex: good point; azizLIGHT once you're on the hwe kernel for 16.04, it will rolling upgrade to the next when it comes out (unlike the way 14.04 worked)
[22:12] <azizLIGHT> ChaiTRex: oh really? i think that way i can install 16.04 now and just do the hwe stack upgrade right away and get it now
[22:12] <nacc> azizLIGHT: not get it now, but when it's available, you will get it
[22:12] <azizLIGHT> nacc: any more info online about how that works? im quite interested
[22:12] <nacc> azizLIGHT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:12] <nacc> and specifically for the policy change https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: Right now, you'll only get 4.8, but it'll upgrade to 4.10 all nicely when 16.04.3 comes.
[22:13] <Ntemis> guys my laptop cant restart it freezes only shutdown works ok
[22:13] <Ntemis> bios issue?
[22:13] <azizLIGHT> so getting 16.04.2 now gets me 4.8, but doing hwe stack at this point will not get me a newer kernel? am i understanding that right
[22:13] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: yes
[22:13] <nacc> azizLIGHT: correct, you're just 'opting in' to the hwe stack
[22:14] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: the 16.04.2 install does have the HWE enabled already
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> so why opt into hwe, when you can just automatically get 16.04.3, they both have the same time frame right
[22:14] <azizLIGHT> for the newer kernel to drop
[22:14] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: 16.04.3 without HWE will still be 4.4.
[22:14] <nacc> azizLIGHT: "automatically get 16.04.3" what does that mean?
[22:14] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: dont confuse HWE with the pointreleases.
[22:15] <ChaiTRex> azizLIGHT: They've changed how things work.
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: for instance, you can be running 16.04.3 with the 16.04.1 kernel (4.4 based)
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: (in the future, that is)
[22:15] <azizLIGHT> hmm
[22:15] <nacc> azizLIGHT: in that sentence, 16.04.3 is the 'release' you are on, while 16.04.1 is the kernel family you are running
[22:16] <azizLIGHT> i see
[22:16] <nacc> azizLIGHT: so for 16.04, you should always be on the latest (via `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade`) which is 16.04.2 now, and eventually 16.04.3 -- but from the package perspective, they aren't distinct, they are just xenial
[22:16] <Dr-007> guys, my server broke. i am now installing ubuntu in virtualbox as a temporarily solution. when i have my server fixed (i'm going to upgrade the hardware aswell) then can i ctrl+c the ubuntu from my virtualbox and ctrl+v it NOT inside a virtualbox but directly on the PC?
[22:17] <Ntemis> on my laptop when try to restart it freezes. shutdown works ok
[22:17] <nacc> azizLIGHT: the kernel and X are different, they have 'hwe' stacks that correspond to the points in time when the dotrelease come out and represent backports from the development releases of kernel and X
[22:17] <Dr-007> with windows i know you can make an install disk with all your current progarms and stuff.
[22:17] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Not really. It'll have VirtualBox drivers and so on set up.
[22:17] <Dr-007> thats not ideal
[22:18] <Dr-007> oh yeah it doesnt matter anyhow duh
[22:18] <Dr-007> i've got some stuff i need to compile
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> nacc: so lets say i do install 16.04 (and do apt full-upgrade), and eventually get to 16.04.3 when it releases, then ill have to opt into hwe to go from 4.4 to 4.8 (on 16.04.2 release) or 4.10 (on 16.04.3 release)
[22:18] <Dr-007> which needs to be recompiled for that processor anyways
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> did i understand correct?
[22:18] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: yes.
[22:18] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you  install 16.04 (right now you'd get a 16.04.2 iso by default, iirc) -- so you'll already be opted in to the 4.8 kernel
[22:18] <azizLIGHT> got it
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you're on 16.04.3, you can't opt in to the 4.8 kernel
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: it will no longer exist
[22:19] <k1l_> azizLIGHT: its only enabled when you install the 16.04.2 iso. but not when you just run the updates
[22:19] <azizLIGHT> ah right
[22:19] <nacc> azizLIGHT: well, it will exist, but become unsupported (and the metapackage will 'roll' you to 4.10)
[22:19] <Ntemis> am on 4.4.072
[22:20] <azizLIGHT> so i dont see 16.04 being offered on the site for download anyway, i see 16.04.2
[22:20] <nacc> azizLIGHT: that's what they changed with 16.04 compared to 14.04 -- with 14.04, the hwe stacks between 14.04.1 and 14.04.5 were supported until 14.04.5 came out and then all went eol. With 16.04, there are just always two stacks, the base version (4.4) and whatever is currently the hwe version
[22:20] <nacc> azizLIGHT: yeah, as i mentioned
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: you probably can find a 16.04.1 iso by browsing around
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: or install 16.04.2 and install the non-hwe packages and remove the hwe packages
[22:21] <azizLIGHT> oh. people do that ?
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: that's the only difference between 16.04.1 and 16.04.2 (or .3 or .4 or .5)
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: i don't know, i'm just telling you your options
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: if you don't need hwe, there's not a reason to run it
[22:21] <nacc> azizLIGHT: it's really about exploiting new hardware
[22:22] <nacc> azizLIGHT: both kernels get bugfix and security support
[22:22]  * nacc also thinks only 4.4 has livepatch? not sure
[22:23] <azizLIGHT> with all this discussion in mind, i think its best for me to wait for 16.04.3 iso and get 4.10 builtin
[22:23] <nacc> yeah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack#Kernel_Livepatching
[22:23] <nacc> azizLIGHT: there's no difference to you, if you don't have that bt device yet
[22:23] <nacc> and even if you did, since it doesn't work, there's no difference to you
[22:24] <nicomachus> hi all. I was trying to fix some DNS issues where /etc/resolv.conf was always getting overwritten (and not with the nameservers listed in /etc/network/interfaces) so I took someone's advice and purge resolvconf then rebooted twice (now three times), but I can't create a new /etc/resolv.conf. It says "cannot touch '/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory"
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: is /etc/resolv.conf a symlink right now?
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: possibly to a file that you purged?
[22:25] <stevehope> touch it first with sudo to create it
[22:25] <nacc> nicomachus: e.g., /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[22:25] <nacc> stevehope: no, i don't think that's right, if i'm correct
[22:25] <nacc> stevehope: that won't change a broken symlink
[22:25] <stevehope> go with nacc
[22:26] <nacc> nicomachus: it's possible the scripts for purge are wrong and don't fix up that symlink
[22:26] <nicomachus> nacc: it may be a symlink. I can check
[22:26] <nacc> nicomachus: that's how it is with resolvconf installed, so that's what i'd suspect
[22:26] <nicomachus>  /run/resolvconf does not exist
[22:26] <nacc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/resolvconf/+bug/1593489
[22:26] <nacc> :)
[22:27] <rud0lf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory it's from ubuntu 8.10 times, is it still the thing?
[22:27] <nicomachus> so create /run/resolvconf then?
[22:27] <nacc> i'll triage that bug a bit now
[22:27] <nacc> nicomachus: no
[22:27] <nacc> nicomachus: you aren't running resolvconf, so you don't want a symlink to resolvconf state
[22:27] <noob> ubuntu 17.04 has dns leak, how do i fix that ?
[22:28] <nicomachus> right. well, FWIW I can't click your link, nacc. :)
[22:28] <nicomachus> DNS unresolved and all
[22:28] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Hint: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Oct 16  2016 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf . does /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf file exist ?
[22:28] <k1l_> noob: is there a cve?
[22:28] <nacc> nicomachus: delete the symlink then recreate the file as you want
[22:28] <nicomachus> nacc: delete the symlink how?
[22:29] <noob> no, but when connecting to my vpn, and then testing dnsleaktest.com i get my isp dns..
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: sudo unlink /etc/resolv.conf
[22:29] <nicomachus> nacc: ok, I just rm'd it...
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: rm should also work
[22:29] <nicomachus> I guess I shoulda waited
[22:29] <nacc> nicomachus: and then put whatever you want in /etc/resolv.conf
[22:30] <nacc> note, i'm not 100% if you need to rebuild your initrd after purging resolvconf
[22:30] <nicomachus> well, I guess we'll see.
[22:30] <nacc> i'm not sure if that symlink also exists in your initrd, i mean
[22:30] <nicomachus> it let me touch resolv.conf after rm'ing it though
[22:30] <nicomachus> that sounds dirty
[22:31] <nicomachus> rebooting
[22:33] <HankMoody> Yes, that does sound dirty
[22:33] <nicomachus> nacc: all fixed up now, thanks
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: np
[22:34] <nicomachus> nacc: anything else I should look into that may crop up later?
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: how do you mean?
[22:34] <nacc> nicomachus: i don't have enough context to answer your question :)
[22:34] <nicomachus> did I screw up my interfaces file or something? or do I need to reinstall resolvconf now?
[22:35] <nacc> nicomachus: i don't know? i'm also not sure why purging resolvconf was the step -- and i'm not sure what was changed and what wasn't showing up
[22:35] <nacc> nicomachus: i'm fairly sure many people have setup DNS with resolvconf installed
[22:35] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:35] <nicomachus> I guess we'll see.
[22:36] <nicomachus> thanks again
[22:36] <nacc> nicomachus: np
[22:36] <sinthetek> as soon as rebooted for ubuntu 16.04->16.10 upgrade (with unity), an odd mouse-click/tapping noise started at the login screen. i immediately updated repos and began the 17.04 upgrade but the sound persists pseudo-randomly (often in rapid succession). it is emitted both through internal sound or through hdmi if I set it as primary output. muting the sound stops it. anyone know how to resolve this issue?
[22:54] <neo_> test
[22:57] <youmeyear> first user of irc, hello
[22:57] <neo_> hello
[22:57] <youmeyear> cool neo
[22:58] <youmeyear> it work ;)
[22:58] <neo_> indeed
[23:06] <gredjok> is there a command to shut an application down? shutdown works only for the whole os
[23:07] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: Which application?
[23:07] <gredjok> ChaiTRex, transmision
[23:07] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: Just click the close button.
[23:08] <gredjok> i dont speak english anymore
[23:08] <ChaiTRex> gredjok: If it gets stuck, click "Close now"
[23:08] <gredjok> is there a command to shut an application down in 2 or 3 hours? shutdown works only for the whole os
[23:08] <PipeItToDevNull> gredjok, you can pkill
[23:09] <Heynick> I can see my Wifi dongle through lsusb, and see the wireless networks, but I can't seem to be able to connect into the networks. By the way, I just installed Ubuntu 17.04 on my computer
[23:09] <natten_> installed texlive-full package in 17.04 and it wont compile my project. I'm getting Error for missing \begin{document} (even though it is there) and warnings for every citation (bib). The exact same project compiles on another installation texlive on fedora, but i cant seem to find what the difference between the configurations are.
[23:10] <Heynick> Anyone wanna give me directions to wireless internet? I am using another device, but want my desktop to get on Internet
[23:11] <knob> Anybody know where I can get the drivers for a Samsung M2020w ??
[23:11] <knob> Obviously, every driver is there, except the one that works.
[23:12] <gredjok> still no banana: I want to let the application running for 2 hours, but in 30 minutes I have to leave. I want to kill the application in 2 hours. Just the application, not the os. Can I di that with pkill I didnt find any time option on the manpage
[23:13] <zacarias> good night
[23:13] <zacarias> how to install rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 ?
[23:13] <nacc> gredjok: use `at` and `pkill` ?
[23:15] <DeaDSouL> Hi, how can I check the maximum speed of an aggregated dual ports ? the iperf as far as I know would test the maximum speed between two boxes/points. not how maximum each box is capable of
[23:15] <knob> Anybody know where I can download the Linux drivers for a Samsung M2020 printer?
[23:16] <DeaDSouL> knob: https://askubuntu.com/questions/645681/samsung-m2020-on-ubuntu
[23:17] <PipeItToDevNull> gredjok, script it
[23:17] <knob> Thanks DeaDSouL going to try that now...
[23:17] <knob> now I can't wget that file
[23:17] <knob> everything I download from Samsung is for MAC OS-X
[23:18] <knob> ok right... wget fails, yet clicking on it works.   Thanks Samsung for breaking the internet.
[23:19] <Tweak> erus
[23:19] <knob> yeah... and there is no ULD in there.
[23:19] <DeaDSouL> knob: http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=UNI_LEVANT&CttFileID=6285092&CDCttType=DR&ModelType=N&ModelName=SL-M2020&VPath=DR/201510/20151028115008613/uld_v1.00.36_00.91.tar.gz
[23:19] <DeaDSouL> knob: checking the manifacture support page always a good idea ;) http://www.samsung.com/levant/support/model/SL-M2020/SAU
[23:20] <knob> in that page ^^^^ I can't find the driver.... everything is for MAC
[23:20] <DeaDSouL> s/manifacture/manufacturer
[23:21] <DeaDSouL> knob: check again.. there is a driver for linux
[23:21] <knob> Dude, whweere?
[23:22] <knob> I am even searching for the term "linux" and it comes up empty
[23:22] <DeaDSouL> knob: "Print Driver ver V1.00.36_00.91, Linux"
[23:23] <knob> Look man, I am searching on the link you sent, and it's not there.    If I could have avoided this, I would.   And, btw, thank you for your help.  I really appreciate it.   It's just that I am 2 more failures away from smashing this printer with a hammer
[23:24] <DeaDSouL> knob: do you see something called "SEE MORE" under the "Downloads" section?? click on it, then search for "linux" you'll find it there
[23:24] <knob> Jesus yes there it is.   =\    anyway... dude, thank you... I was at the end of my wits
[23:24] <DeaDSouL> knob: you're welcome
[23:27] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date
[23:30] <Heynick> My computer sees the wifi dongle, but  I can't get onto Internet avce l'autre télêtelethlon
[23:31] <Heynick> i want to access internet, but can't do it
[23:33] <xangua> Oderus: kde-look.org
[23:33] <Oderus> xangua: there is no list of names for icons, for creating your own theme there that i have seen
[23:34] <xangua> My bad
[23:34] <Hello> Hello
[23:35] <Hello> Hello?
[23:35] <nacc> !ask | Hello
[23:36] <nacc> Hello: you are in the ubuntu support channel, if you are trying to test your client, please use a different channel
[23:45] <ILikeUnity7> rahul why guest name
[23:46] <bazhang> ILikeUnity7, did you have an ubuntu support issue
[23:46] <ILikeUnity7> bazhang, no, just here :)
[23:49] <coderrahul> help
[23:52] <Afo0o0z_> Hello !
[23:52] <ILikeUnity7> I need help with my WiFi indicator.
[23:52] <ILikeUnity7> and hi Afo0o0z_
[23:53] <Afo0o0z_> Man.. Big differences in installations between windows and linux.
[23:53] <ILikeUnity7> My WiFi indicator acts like I'm on a wired internet connection when I use Wifi
[23:53] <ILikeUnity7> But only when I resume from a suspend
[23:54] <Afo0o0z_> damned WiFi problem !
[23:54] <ILikeUnity7> I can usually fix it by restarting the wifi indicator.
[23:54] <ILikeUnity7> But how can I permanently fix it? Upgrade to 17.04, which I will do soon?
[23:59] <Jordan_U> ILikeUnity7: It's possible that the problem will solve itself when you upgrade, and it's possible that it won't.