[00:45] Well, I figured out one of the issues and frustrations I was having with jslint / jshint [00:45] Apparently the jshint plugin for vim ships with a very outdated jshint version [00:46] worse, there were several copies of that jshint version installed in the .vim directory [00:46] ugh [13:58] cmaloney: Are you going to PyOhio this year? [13:59] brousch__: Planning on it [13:59] Submitted a proposal for a talk [14:00] I haven't decided, but leaning towards yes [14:01] Carpooling? [14:01] Depends on who all is going [14:01] But yeah, planning on driving down [14:03] I have a GRPUG friend who moved to Tha D. He might be interested in carpooling from there. [14:05] Whereabouts in the D? [14:08] cmaloney: heh if the wife's van ever comes in we can get a party bus going! [14:23] Downtown D, near Grand Circus I think [14:30] rick_h: Are you planning on driving down as well? [14:30] cmaloney: I think so. Erica has the time off and I submitted a couple of talks [14:30] Oh cool! [14:30] Yea, hopefully one of them gets accepted and will be fun stuff [14:35] \o/ [14:47] Wait, rick_h still does Python? [14:47] brousch__: sometimes :P [14:47] brousch__: the question is more "Rick still does programming?" [14:47] brousch__: but I have a couple of things to chat on [14:49] I haven't done much programming since 2015. At my current job it's mostly config management: a bunch of Jinja! [14:50] sounds like a talk to me [14:50] I gave it last night :P [14:50] "templating for the mega power user!" [14:51] "Ginger Ginsing Ninja Jinja" [14:51] You'll have to play with it some more, but there you go [14:51] lol [14:51] at least it isn't Cheetah. [14:51] +100 [14:52] * rick_h gets the shakes at the thought [14:52] * jrwren grumbles something about juju [14:52] (context?) [14:52] Cheetah is an obsolete & abandoned python templating system. [14:52] cmaloney: cheetah was an xml based python template system [14:52] Oh. Glad I missed that. [14:52] and I HATED trying to do everything in this xml crazy syntax world...guess it's like react :P [14:52] * cmaloney got in when it was "Mako vs. Jinja". [14:52] I hated my encouters with it [14:53] yea, mako ftw [14:53] rick_h: you've seen charm utils, right? :p [14:53] jrwren: is it cheetah? [14:53] rick_h: yes. [14:53] rick_h: there is a reason it doesn't run in python3 [14:53] * rick_h adds a new todo list item...get rid of that [14:53] ugh [14:53] wtf [14:53] Are you fucking kidding me? [14:53] rick_h: wtf indeed. [14:54] The last release was in 12010 [14:54] (2010) [14:54] cmaloney: welcome to juju [14:55] I'm not much for the cult of the new, but the cult of the moribund and necrotizing isn't great either. [14:58] cmaloney: in its defense, said library is at least 3 yrs old. [15:00] I guess there's something to be said for not having Cheetah change on you [15:00] but still, XML templating? [15:00] I'd want to shoot myself. [15:01] .rst is bad enough with its pickiness. I'd hate to add XML pickiness on top of it. [15:02] * cmaloney finally canceled his Ars Technica subscription [15:02] was subscribed to the full news feed, but realized most of what's there is phone sales, equipment plugs, car plugs, and Expanse spoilers. [15:03] lol [15:04] it is telling that their "tech" link at top of page links to /gadgets [15:05] yeah [15:05] as if they are the same [15:06] Worse, i would put the good articles in my "read and review" folder, and then never read them [15:06] yea, haven't watched ars for much lately [15:06] so figured what's the point of paying for it if I'm not using it [15:06] sadly the only place I have for tech news is Reddit [15:07] which is about one step up from Hacker News [15:08] /.! [15:08] ;) [15:09] craigmaloney writes: "As a concerned Linux and FLOSS person who was previously employed by Geeknet I find that Slashdot's articles tend to have a rambling quality to them based ont eh community of people who make them" [15:10] that and the ouster of cmdrtaco / hemos left a bitter taste in my mouth [15:10] not that they haven't done well for themselves (and likely should have left a while ago) [15:10] * greg-g nods [15:10] I know, new management [15:10] cmaloney: did you ever know Wes Moran? [15:11] I still subscribe to some of /. [15:11] Yeah, he was the designer for SF.net and Slashdot [15:11] good person, and one of the better designers I've worked with [15:11] (which isn't saying much because I rarely worked with designers) [15:11] but he set a pretty high bar [15:11] cmaloney: he was my boss at WMF for the past year or so (we didn't have a CTO, so he being VP of Product took on the responsibilities while we hired) [15:12] Oh cool [15:12] yeah, I like him a lot, he left WMF a bit ago (2 months or so) [15:12] Ah, neat. Hopefully to something more awesome [15:13] is that Wes from down in Tecumseh? [15:13] What could be more awesome than WMF? [15:14] oh, nope. [15:14] too many people named Wes :) [15:14] https://www.linkedin.com/in/westonnh [15:16] yeah, his plan was to actually honestly take a break for a bit, not sure how long [15:17] I can imagine WMF VP of Product would burn one out pretty quickly [15:18] especially doing what he was doing: also having all of Tech report to him (just in managerial reasons, not wrt actual work, we're pretty self-governing, badly-ish ;) ) [15:19] he worked hard, too, and was a remotie from NH [15:19] I loved that part for my own personal reasons, made it way easier for me to stop commuting the 2 hours each way twice/week :) [15:19] (that and baby #2) [15:22] Yeah, no doubt [15:41] how old are the kids now, greg-g ? [15:43] That's one heck of a commute [15:44] Like me commuting to Ann Arbor from GR [15:44] 'cept that is 120mi. greg-g would be going 20miles. :p [15:45] yeah, California has a transit problem [15:45] :) [15:46] especially northbay, going over the GGB is a huge bottle neck, and the only other option is the ferry which is $$$ [15:46] but yeah, 40 miles :P (it's like commuting from SF to Mountain View, but without the option of taking CalTrain) [15:46] jrwren: Rowan is 5 and Terran turned 1 on Sunday(!!!!) [15:47] HAPPY BIRTHDAY! [15:47] I knew it was about now. He shares birthday with my Dad who would have been 70. [15:47] And my girl turned 10 yesterday. [15:47] awesome [15:48] ++ [15:49] it's hard for me because 4 days before Terran was born the pregnant wife of one of my team members died suddenly and the child didn't make it. And I like/would consider myself friends with him. So yeah, it's effing tough. He had to take last week off because of obvious reasons. [15:50] :( [15:50] Yeah, that's one hell of an anniversary. :( [15:50] It hurts. I can't imagine that amount of loss. [15:50] he's in a group that calls themselves the Shitty Widowers Club [15:51] ha! It is great that he found a group. [15:51] the humor they share is pretty dark :) [15:52] I can imagine [22:04] trying out budgie. anyone in here give it a whirl? [22:10] Not here [22:10] not i [22:14] ok [22:14] was just wondering if anyone had an opinion [22:14] it looks slick [22:19] All of my encounters with budgies involve a stick covered in bird seed and poop on my hat [22:20] as one does [22:28] i got an operating system not found error on reboot [22:28] hrm [22:28] i'll mess with it another night