[00:45] <cmaloney> Well, I figured out one of the issues and frustrations I was having with jslint / jshint
[00:45] <cmaloney> Apparently the jshint plugin for vim ships with a very outdated jshint version
[00:46] <cmaloney> worse, there were several copies of that jshint version installed in the .vim directory
[00:46] <cmaloney> ugh
[13:58] <brousch__> cmaloney: Are you going to PyOhio this year?
[13:59] <cmaloney> brousch__: Planning on it
[13:59] <cmaloney> Submitted a proposal for a talk
[14:00] <brousch__> I haven't decided, but leaning towards yes
[14:01] <brousch__> Carpooling?
[14:01] <cmaloney> Depends on who all is going
[14:01] <cmaloney> But yeah, planning on driving down
[14:03] <brousch__> I have a GRPUG friend who moved to Tha D. He might be interested in carpooling from there.
[14:05] <cmaloney> Whereabouts in the D?
[14:08] <rick_h> cmaloney: heh if the wife's van ever comes in we can get a party bus going!
[14:23] <brousch__> Downtown D, near Grand Circus I think
[14:30] <cmaloney> rick_h: Are you planning on driving down as well?
[14:30] <rick_h> cmaloney: I think so. Erica has the time off and I submitted a couple of talks
[14:30] <cmaloney> Oh cool!
[14:30] <rick_h> Yea, hopefully one of them gets accepted and will be fun stuff
[14:35] <cmaloney> \o/
[14:47] <brousch__> Wait, rick_h still does Python?
[14:47] <rick_h> brousch__: sometimes :P
[14:47] <rick_h> brousch__: the question is more "Rick still does programming?"
[14:47] <rick_h> brousch__: but I have a couple of things to chat on
[14:49] <brousch__> I haven't done much programming since 2015. At my current job it's mostly config management: a bunch of Jinja!
[14:50] <cmaloney> sounds like a talk to me
[14:50] <brousch__> I gave it last night :P
[14:50] <rick_h> "templating for the mega power user!"
[14:51] <cmaloney> "Ginger Ginsing Ninja Jinja"
[14:51] <cmaloney> You'll have to play with it some more, but there you go
[14:51] <rick_h> lol
[14:51] <jrwren> at least it isn't Cheetah.
[14:51] <rick_h> +100
[14:52]  * rick_h gets the shakes at the thought
[14:52]  * jrwren grumbles something about juju
[14:52] <cmaloney> (context?)
[14:52] <jrwren> Cheetah is an obsolete & abandoned python templating system.
[14:52] <rick_h> cmaloney: cheetah was an xml based python template system
[14:52] <cmaloney> Oh. Glad I missed that.
[14:52] <rick_h> and I HATED trying to do everything in this xml crazy syntax world...guess it's like react :P
[14:52]  * cmaloney got in when it was "Mako vs. Jinja".
[14:52] <rick_h> I hated my encouters with it
[14:53] <rick_h> yea, mako ftw
[14:53] <jrwren> rick_h: you've seen charm utils, right? :p
[14:53] <rick_h> jrwren: is it cheetah?
[14:53] <jrwren> rick_h: yes.
[14:53] <jrwren> rick_h: there is a reason it doesn't run in python3
[14:53]  * rick_h adds a new todo list item...get rid of that
[14:53] <rick_h> ugh
[14:53] <rick_h> wtf
[14:53] <cmaloney> Are you fucking kidding me?
[14:53] <jrwren> rick_h: wtf indeed.
[14:54] <cmaloney> The last release was in 12010
[14:54] <cmaloney> (2010)
[14:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: welcome to juju
[14:55] <cmaloney> I'm not much for the cult of the new, but the cult of the moribund and necrotizing isn't great either.
[14:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: in its defense, said library is at least 3 yrs old.
[15:00] <cmaloney> I guess there's something to be said for not having Cheetah change on you
[15:00] <cmaloney> but still, XML templating?
[15:00] <cmaloney> I'd want to shoot myself.
[15:01] <cmaloney> .rst is bad enough with its pickiness. I'd hate to add XML pickiness on top of it.
[15:02]  * cmaloney finally canceled his Ars Technica subscription
[15:02] <cmaloney> was subscribed to the full news feed, but realized most of what's there is phone sales, equipment plugs, car plugs, and Expanse spoilers.
[15:03] <jrwren> lol
[15:04] <jrwren> it is telling that their "tech" link at top of page links to /gadgets
[15:05] <cmaloney> yeah
[15:05] <jrwren> as if they are the same
[15:06] <cmaloney> Worse, i would put the good articles in my "read and review" folder, and then never read them
[15:06] <rick_h> yea, haven't watched ars for much lately
[15:06] <cmaloney> so figured what's the point of paying for it if I'm not using it
[15:06] <cmaloney> sadly the only place I have for tech news is Reddit
[15:07] <cmaloney> which is about one step up from Hacker News
[15:08] <greg-g>  /.!
[15:08] <greg-g> ;)
[15:09] <cmaloney> craigmaloney writes: "As a concerned Linux and FLOSS person who was previously employed by Geeknet I find that Slashdot's articles tend to have a rambling quality to them based ont eh community of people who make them"
[15:10] <cmaloney> that and the ouster of cmdrtaco / hemos left a bitter taste in my mouth
[15:10] <cmaloney> not that they haven't done well for themselves (and likely should have left a while ago)
[15:10]  * greg-g nods
[15:10] <cmaloney> I know, new management
[15:10] <greg-g> cmaloney: did you ever know Wes Moran?
[15:11] <brousch__> I still subscribe to some of /.
[15:11] <cmaloney> Yeah, he was the designer for SF.net and Slashdot
[15:11] <cmaloney> good person, and one of the better designers I've worked with
[15:11] <cmaloney> (which isn't saying much because I rarely worked with designers)
[15:11] <cmaloney> but he set a pretty high bar
[15:11] <greg-g> cmaloney: he was my boss at WMF for the past year or so (we didn't have a CTO, so he being VP of Product took on the responsibilities while we hired)
[15:12] <cmaloney> Oh cool
[15:12] <greg-g> yeah, I like him a lot, he left WMF a bit ago (2 months or so)
[15:12] <cmaloney> Ah, neat. Hopefully to something more awesome
[15:13] <jrwren> is that Wes from down in Tecumseh?
[15:13] <brousch__> What could be more awesome than WMF?
[15:14] <jrwren> oh, nope.
[15:14] <jrwren> too many people named Wes :)
[15:14] <cmaloney> https://www.linkedin.com/in/westonnh
[15:16] <greg-g> yeah, his plan was to actually honestly take a break for a bit, not sure how long
[15:17] <cmaloney> I can imagine WMF VP of Product would burn one out pretty quickly
[15:18] <greg-g> especially doing what he was doing: also having all of Tech report to him (just in managerial reasons, not wrt actual work, we're pretty self-governing, badly-ish ;) )
[15:19] <greg-g> he worked hard, too, and was a remotie from NH
[15:19] <greg-g> I loved that part for my own personal reasons, made it way easier for me to stop commuting the 2 hours each way twice/week :)
[15:19] <greg-g> (that and baby #2)
[15:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, no doubt
[15:41] <jrwren> how old are the kids now, greg-g ?
[15:43] <brousch__> That's one heck of a commute
[15:44] <brousch__> Like me commuting to Ann Arbor from GR
[15:44] <jrwren> 'cept that is 120mi. greg-g would be going 20miles. :p
[15:45] <cmaloney> yeah, California has a transit problem
[15:45] <greg-g> :)
[15:46] <greg-g> especially northbay, going over the GGB is a huge bottle neck, and the only other option is the ferry which is $$$
[15:46] <greg-g> but yeah, 40 miles :P (it's like commuting from SF to Mountain View, but without the option of taking CalTrain)
[15:46] <greg-g> jrwren: Rowan is 5 and Terran turned 1 on Sunday(!!!!)
[15:47] <jrwren> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[15:47] <jrwren> I knew it was about now. He shares birthday with my Dad who would have been 70.
[15:47] <jrwren> And my girl turned 10 yesterday.
[15:47] <greg-g> awesome
[15:48] <cmaloney> ++
[15:49] <greg-g> it's hard for me because 4 days before Terran was born the pregnant wife of one of my team members died suddenly and the child didn't make it. And I like/would consider myself friends with him. So yeah, it's effing tough. He had to take last week off because of obvious reasons.
[15:50] <cmaloney> :(
[15:50] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's one hell of an anniversary. :(
[15:50] <jrwren> It hurts. I can't imagine that amount of loss.
[15:50] <greg-g> he's in a group that calls themselves the Shitty Widowers Club
[15:51] <jrwren> ha! It is great that he found a group.
[15:51] <greg-g> the humor they share is pretty dark :)
[15:52] <cmaloney> I can imagine
[22:04] <gamerchick02> trying out budgie. anyone in here give it a whirl?
[22:10] <rick_h> Not here
[22:10] <cmaloney> not i
[22:14] <gamerchick02> ok
[22:14] <gamerchick02> was just wondering if anyone had an opinion
[22:14] <gamerchick02> it looks slick
[22:19] <brousch__> All of my encounters with budgies involve a stick covered in bird seed and poop on my hat
[22:20] <cmaloney> as one does
[22:28] <gamerchick02> i got an operating system not found error on reboot
[22:28] <gamerchick02> hrm
[22:28] <gamerchick02> i'll mess with it another night