[05:32] <Spass> Hello. Is something wrong with http://docs.xubuntu.org/ ? It redirects me to https://xubuntu.org/help/
[05:35] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1704/  well it's supposed to have a link to here, not be recursive.
[05:43] <Spass> So you always recommend newest release documentation for users? No need for choice between regular and LTS?
[05:43] <Unit193> Incorrect, I gave an example.  The page is supposed to dynamically link to $current and $lts.
[05:46] <Spass> OK, I understand. I'm asking because I want to put a link to Xubuntu Documentation on my website/project.
[06:25] <flocculant> knome: ^^ you broke it :p
[06:28] <ochosi> flocculant: quick question, do you have a gtk2 panel around?
[06:28] <ochosi> (i'd need a screenshot of the panel separator set to "dots" style)
[06:28] <flocculant> ochosi: I can boot a vm up pretty quick if that's sufficient?
[06:29] <ochosi> absolutely
[06:29] <flocculant> 16.04 or 16.10 ?
[06:29] <ochosi> trying to recreate it with cairo (currently the feature is not there in gtk3)
[06:29] <ochosi> whatever you prefer, it's the same
[06:29] <ochosi> ideally take the screenshots with either greybird or adwaita
[06:30] <flocculant> k - booting now
[06:30] <ochosi> awesome thanks!
[06:34] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/czP8CE4.png
[06:35] <flocculant> it's a bit less opaque cos I couldn't see it with the screenshot tool :p
[06:35] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^
[06:35] <flocculant> and greybird obv
[06:36] <ochosi> could you set the opacity to 100% though?
[06:37] <ochosi> ah, nvm
[06:37] <ochosi> should be ok
[06:39] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/unVRzi7.png if it isn't :)
[06:42] <ochosi> do the dots scale if you make the panel taller?
[06:43] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[06:43] <flocculant> you want 128px screenshot?
[06:43] <ochosi> i was afraid they would :/
[06:43] <ochosi> ok
[06:43] <ochosi> a 48px one would be enough ;)
[06:45] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/XHYw6YT.png 48px then
[06:45] <flocculant> 128px is too many dots for me to count this early in the morning ;)
[06:48] <ochosi> hehe
[06:48] <ochosi> thanks!
[06:48] <flocculant> np
[07:21] <Spass> I'm thinking about creating a website for Polish Xubuntu community, nothing big, but I think that's a good way to spend some free time. What do you think about version alpha? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7aE9UVzdIdFd1bzA
[07:23] <Unit193> knome: ↑ Website stuff.
[08:11] <Spass> knome: I'm afraid that my "custom" logo colours will be a problem with trademark... Or not?
[08:52] <knome> Spass, yes, please do not use the inverted colors
[08:52] <knome> Spass, or if you really really really insist, then make the inside transparent, eg. the same color as the header bar
[08:53] <Spass> knome: Done.
[08:54] <knome> thanks
[08:54] <knome> and feel free to ask about further questions if any
[08:56] <Unit193> knome: See also: Docs scrollback.
[08:58] <knome> Unit193, oh yeah, i didn't :)
[08:58] <knome> the link to the main site from the root is intentional
[08:59] <knome> we don't want to maintain two pages with essentially the same information
[08:59] <knome> eg. the old docs root and /help
[08:59] <knome> (especially now that the latter is automated by the website...)
[08:59] <Unit193> knome: Right, but where does it link to, say, 1704?  The only link I see forwards back to that very same page.
[09:00] <knome> oh.
[09:00] <knome> that's a bug
[09:00] <knome> let me go fix it.
[09:01] <knome> theeeere we go.
[09:01] <knome> the release bit is on for the supported releases
[10:48] <akxwi-dave> flocculant:  Thunar patch.. installed and patched..  working fine here
[10:49] <akxwi-dave> although the script didn't work for me.  so just read what you had put and typed the script in manually to get it to work... 
[10:52] <akxwi-dave> ( not including the first failure of forgetting to enable source code and not having Xfce4-dev-tools installed)   :-)
[11:03] <flocculant> yea all fails if no source or tools - did that myself :p
[11:28] <flocculant> knome: and the circle link on https://xubuntu.org/help/ :)
[11:28]  * flocculant wanders off now
[11:28] <knome> mmh
[11:29] <knome> flocculant, and done
[11:29] <Unit193> He likes circle links.
[11:29] <knome> prefer them to ellipse links.
[14:32] <flocculant> ochosi: did you notice terminal border thickening and changing colour? is this some gtk3 thing? want a bug report? if so launchpad or lp/bugzilla?
[14:35] <ochosi> eh, no, haven't noticed yet
[14:35] <ochosi> haven't had time to upgrade tbh
[14:36] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/YAP69tQ.png - back terminal has 2 tabs 
[14:37] <flocculant> anyway - if you want bug reported I'll get on it for the alcholic awardnight release 
[15:11] <ochosi> flocculant: not sure, what's the bug there?
[15:12] <ochosi> or did you mean the fact that with tabs, the border seems 1px thicker?
[15:12] <ochosi> (cause if so, i'd say you're starting to distinguish circles and elliptical circles!)
[15:19] <flocculant> ochosi: lmao - so yea - is the border being 2 px instead of 1px a bug (assuming px'ness) that needs dealing with? 
[15:19] <flocculant> certainly looks a bit odd now I've seen it ;)
[15:20] <ochosi> haha
[15:20] <ochosi> well its because of the tabs
[15:20] <ochosi> so expected
[15:20] <flocculant> ok - just different than what I see on a 16.10 vm 
[15:20] <flocculant> so expected - but a change? gtk3? 
[15:33] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, i think it's a gtk3 change
[15:33] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - thanks :)
[15:42] <Spass> that additional 1px frame (when with tabs) isn't visible on other themes like Zukitre, Numix or Arc
[15:42] <Spass> just checked
[15:42] <flocculant> thanks Spass 
[15:43] <flocculant> nor adwait btw
[15:45] <flocculant> ochosi: so if it's Greybird - will it stay as is? 
[15:46] <ochosi> a-ha, interesting
[15:47] <flocculant> ochosi: shall I report this now :D
[15:47] <ochosi> you can, then at least i don't forget to check this later ;)
[15:47] <flocculant> ha ha - okey doke
[15:49] <Spass> knome: what about that shiny mouse logo, is it free to use without any modifications? http://xubuntu.ugu.pl (sorry for that ad on top, I've just upload it to a random free hosting for testing purposes)
[15:56] <Spass> *uploaded
[15:56] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - bug 1683857 then - linked it on the aa bug blueprint
[15:56] <flocculant> knome: any reason that aa bug b/p doesn't show up on http://dev.xubuntu.org/ that I've forgotten about :)
[16:14] <knome> Spass, feel free to use it
[16:15] <knome> flocculant, ...but it does? :)
[16:15] <knome> http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-a-bugs
[16:15] <Spass> knome: cool, I like how it looks and adds colour, thanks
[16:16] <flocculant> knome: lol
[16:16] <flocculant> hatez u :D
[16:16] <knome> i didn't do anything about it :P
[16:16] <knome> it should have been there all along
[16:17] <knome> the only reason why it might not show up if the tracker has failed to load it
[16:17] <knome> i should do something about this, but i won't until some of the other changes have landed
[16:17] <flocculant> wasn't there at 16:56:47 BST :p
[16:17] <knome> yeah, likely reappeared 3 minutes later
[16:18] <flocculant> :)
[17:09] <flocculant> knome: me again :p what's your thinking of colour plugin for the wiki? https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:color
[17:59] <knome> flocculant, where/how would you use that...?
[18:01] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, the panel's dot style is reimplemented now. wanna supply me the same types of screeners for the handle style too? (while the code doesn't throw warnings, it seems broken in gtk3)
[18:07] <flocculant> knome: at 18:09 using red as a warning on a release note
[18:10] <flocculant> ochosi: 48px panel http://i.imgur.com/ffpoAGD.png
[18:14] <flocculant> ochosi: oh hang on - wrong handle probably :D
[18:14] <ochosi> :D
[18:14] <ochosi> yeah, that looked like the panel handle
[18:15] <flocculant> top marks for the xfce panel dev guy there :D
[18:15] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/J3qF3Zl.png :)
[18:16] <flocculant> you can haz both handles 
[18:16] <knome> flocculant, would you be happy with a plugin that allowed you to add a red warning of which style was controlled by the css? :P
[18:17] <knome> flocculant, or in other words, i'd rather let us use the predetermined styles than tell you use any color you wish :P
[18:17] <knome> flocculant, for an example, see https://xubuntu.org/contact/
[18:17] <flocculant> knome: if the plugin pulled colour from the nearest telephone box I'd be happy - not too concerned with the how :)
[18:18] <knome> oki
[18:18] <knome> i'll look at that...
[18:18] <knome> should be relatively easy
[18:18] <flocculant> yea that type things would be fine
[18:18] <knome> bbl
[18:18] <flocculant> as long as we have a few to pick from I guess
[18:19] <flocculant> ochosi: on 16.10 speperator is 'some real dark shade' on 17.04 with the git panel it's grey 
[18:21] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/QKrNo6S.png
[18:23] <ochosi> yeah, i would argue that gtk3 does the right thing
[18:24] <ochosi> although the bright color could be tuned down a little
[18:24] <flocculant> the grey one that's visible? I'd agree with that
[18:24] <flocculant> and yea maybe a little tuned out 
[18:24] <ochosi> look, gtk3 handle 
[18:25] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/1txE6OV.png
[18:25] <ochosi> implemented since you sent me the second screenshot ;)
[18:25] <flocculant> :)
[18:25] <flocculant> I can't see the gtk3 handle 
[18:25] <flocculant> here
[18:25] <ochosi> yeah
[18:25] <ochosi> it was broken
[18:25] <flocculant> oh right
[18:25] <ochosi> i noticed when re-implementing the dots style
[18:26] <ochosi> had to rewrite it in cairo though
[18:26] <flocculant> oh meh 
[18:26] <ochosi> the gdk drawing crap didn't seem to work anymore
[18:26] <ochosi> and i was too lazy to debug it ;)
[18:26] <flocculant> umm is this expected?
[18:26] <ochosi> what?
[18:26] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/ZEO2voy.png
[18:27] <flocculant> that's obviously lowering opacity
[18:27] <flocculant> and I'm guessing difference between internal and external plugins?
[18:28] <ochosi> are you on git master from two days ago?
[18:28] <flocculant> ochosi: git pulled and rebuilt 5 minutes ago actually
[18:28] <ochosi> hmm
[18:28] <ochosi> interesting
[18:28] <ochosi> so that's with a custom bg color?
[18:29] <flocculant> nope
[18:29] <flocculant> oh the blue is wallpaper 
[18:30] <flocculant> background is set to None (use system ...)
[18:30] <flocculant> the first transparent bit from left is seperator
[18:30] <ochosi> the background is set to none and then how did you change the opacity?
[18:31] <ochosi> with the leave/enter setting?
[18:31] <flocculant> yea
[18:32] <ochosi> k, then i must have broken that part
[18:32] <ochosi> could you do a git checkout c2c3736addbb1c851a1e11863d994f6ff7d2db2d
[18:32] <ochosi> and then rebuild?
[18:32] <flocculant> using this monstrosity for ./autogen just in case that makes a difference http://paste.ubuntu.com/24409020/
[18:33] <flocculant> ochosi: I can if you tell me how to checkout ...
[18:33] <ochosi> "git checkout c2c3736addbb1c851a1e11863d994f6ff7d2db2d" ;)
[18:33] <flocculant> or is it obvious? git checkout 
[18:33] <flocculant> ha ha ok 
[18:33] <ochosi> it'll tell you you're in headless mode, but that's ok
[18:34] <flocculant> k - that paste was the way I ended up making all plugins available at least (and likely a bunch of other stuff) 
[18:35] <flocculant> ochosi: so that checkout bit - is how to build with 'specific' code? 
[18:36] <ochosi> yeah, it's how you jump to a specific commit/branch/tag in git
[18:36] <flocculant> ochosi: ack
[18:36] <flocculant> ochosi: still odd when transparent
[18:36] <flocculant> I assume just restarting panel should suffice?
[18:37] <ochosi> probably have to do "xfce4-panel -q"
[18:37] <ochosi> restarting may be a soft restart
[18:37] <ochosi> but i haven't read that bit of the code yet
[18:37] <ochosi> but that's my presumption
[18:38] <flocculant> nope - still transparent in bits
[18:38] <flocculant> but please look at paste above just in case there is something there ...
[18:40] <ochosi> i will in a second
[18:40] <ochosi> still working on toning down the separator color
[18:40] <ochosi> yay, success
[18:40] <flocculant> :)
[18:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: had a couple of people (other than -team) respond re the thunar patch on bug 1679488
[18:52] <ochosi> flocculant: so, i can reproduce and it's external plugins that are broken
[18:55] <flocculant> ochosi: ok cool
[18:55] <flocculant> well ... you know what I mean - it's not me :D
[18:56] <flocculant> ochosi: will git pull now take me back to where I was? 
[18:57] <ochosi> "git checkout master"
[18:57] <ochosi> you basically have to jump back to a branch
[18:57] <flocculant> ali1234: is it likely that bug 1645400 is the same issue as xfce 13481 ?
[18:57] <flocculant> ochosi: aah right ok - that makes sense :)
[18:58] <flocculant> and from there you can git pull next time I guess
[18:58] <ochosi> flocculant: if you pull master now you can try the fixed separator styles
[18:58] <flocculant> okey doke 
[18:59] <ochosi> do you remember that the opacity was ever working?
[18:59] <ochosi> (fwiw i'm not a huge fan of that opacity setting anyway, but whatever...)
[19:00] <flocculant> ochosi: I don't 'think' so - I remember it being a bit off on vm when I was first looking - but opacity isn't something I ever use really
[19:00] <flocculant> only saw it then because I was trying to find the seperator 
[19:02] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether i should also re-implement that in a cleaner way
[19:02] <ochosi> currently that type of opacity is weird, it makes the whole panel transparent
[19:02] <ochosi> as opposed to bumping the alpha value, which would leave icons and text intact and only make the panel bg transparent
[19:03] <flocculant> ochosi: nice - and the dots look like dots, not small squares too :)
[19:04] <flocculant> but bg colour looks like it did before to me
[19:04] <ochosi> i know, that part probably got a bit better
[19:05] <ochosi> hmm, really? with what theme?
[19:05] <ochosi> i tested adwaita and greybird here
[19:06] <flocculant> greybird
[19:06] <flocculant> oooh
[19:07] <flocculant> seperator icon in panel isn't scaling
[19:08] <flocculant> oh nvm 
[19:08] <flocculant> must have been big when I upped panel size but didn't shrink with the panel
[19:09] <ali1234> flocculant: probably yes
[19:09] <ochosi> flocculant: odd that the color wouldn't be working for you...
[19:09] <flocculant> ali1234: I thought it might be - might link the xfce one on some lp bugs
[19:09] <flocculant> ali1234: alos had a few people test the patch
[19:10] <ali1234> did you get access to e.u.c yet?
[19:11] <flocculant> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/6qMlD0M.png bottom is current panel - top is previous screenshot
[19:11] <flocculant> ali1234: yea some time ago
[19:11] <ali1234> actually this bug looks like it has been happening for a long time
[19:12] <flocculant> yea that's what I thought when I looked on e.u.c
[19:12] <ali1234> hmm
[19:12] <ali1234> yeah this is not related
[19:12] <ali1234> its a totally different mutex, inside glib
[19:13] <flocculant> ok 
[19:33] <flocculant> ochosi: also - do you have more built from git there than me? would that affect this colour thing at all ?
[19:33] <flocculant> wandering a bit - but not gone for the night
[19:33] <ochosi> flocculant: i think it's just the line having been toned down even before
[19:34] <ochosi> when i started to implement dots/handle, they were #fff
[19:34] <ochosi> with greybird
[19:34] <ochosi> which they are obviously not anymore now
[19:34] <ochosi> we can tweak the color easily now