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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:34 |
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| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/dell-launches-precision-5720-all-in-one-workstation-powered-by-ubuntu-16-04-lts-514958.shtml | 06:05 |
| ducasse | good morning everyone | 06:06 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 06:06 |
| lotuspsychje | day off today | 06:06 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-1710-no-email-client-default | 06:07 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default | 06:09 |
| ducasse | wayland by default - interesting. | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | perhaps at 17.10 | 06:10 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:11 |
| Bashing-om | changes again are comming ! | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there lordievader | 06:12 |
| lordievader | Hey lotuspsychje | 06:13 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | great here | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl guys breakfast | 06:25 |
| ducasse | morning lordievader | 06:40 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse | 06:42 |
| lordievader | How are you? | 06:42 |
| ducasse | good thanks, and you? | 06:51 |
| ducasse | still on the morning tea, reading news. | 06:51 |
| Bashing-om | Smoke Break ! imibe in my nasty habit - | 06:59 |
| ducasse | me too, my friend... | 07:00 |
| lordievader | Doing good here :) | 07:08 |
| trijntje | so many changes comming to ubuntu these past few weeks! But overall I think its good that ubuntu will stay closer to upstream | 07:42 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:39 |
| ducasse | good morning BluesKaj :) | 11:12 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning ducasse, how's things? | 11:13 |
| ducasse | good thanks, and you? | 11:13 |
| BluesKaj | fine here too | 11:13 |
| ducasse | i'm currently prepping the server to switch the root disk, backing up the config stuff and moving services into containers. hope to actually put in a new disk this week. | 11:15 |
| BluesKaj | assume the root disk is a ssd ? | 11:16 |
| ducasse | not now, no. but it will be. | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | right | 11:17 |
| ducasse | everything else is just storage, so hdds. not much point in ssd-backed network storage on gigabit lan :) | 11:19 |
| BluesKaj | the samasung evo ssd breathed new life into this old pc , just shows how hdds are bottleneck | 11:20 |
| BluesKaj | samsung rather | 11:20 |
| ducasse | absolutely, even my old core 2 duo seemed usable with an ssd. | 11:21 |
| BluesKaj | yup, this is an amd 5200+ dual core cpu | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | dunno how long the mobo and cpu will last, but we'll just keep on chugging along :-) | 11:26 |
| ducasse | my server is a phenom ii something quad, iirc. as long as zfs has a bit of ram it's fine for what it does. i'm thinking of getting a new mobo + an i3 or i5 this summer, though. | 11:27 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 12:23 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubports-recommends-buying-fairphone-2-oneplus-one-or-nexus-5-as-ubuntu-phones-514949.shtml | 12:25 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 12:51 |
| EriC^^ | hey lto | 12:51 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | all ok there | 12:51 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, you? | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | fine, day off here :p | 12:51 |
| EriC^^ | cool | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | sunny outside , but cool | 12:51 |
| lotuspsychje | lfei: welcome | 12:58 |
| lotuspsychje | bye oO | 12:59 |
| * ducasse yawns | 13:05 | |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: slow today :) | 13:05 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah ducasse, seems like zzzZZZzzz | 13:05 |
| ducasse | more tea! | 13:07 |
| lotuspsychje | yessss | 13:07 |
| lotuspsychje | ill have an icetea :p | 13:08 |
| ducasse | go for it, i say :) | 13:09 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone knows if gnome shell do classic shell by default also? | 13:10 |
| lotuspsychje | (gnome classic) | 13:10 |
| ducasse | wasn't that killed off? i might be wrong. | 13:10 |
| lotuspsychje | can be ducasse, ill have to test gnome soon :p | 13:11 |
| lotuspsychje | but the comments on recent omgubuntu article skared me :p | 13:11 |
| lotuspsychje | : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/poll-tried-gnome-shell-ubuntu | 13:12 |
| lotuspsychje | they all mention gnome extensions | 13:14 |
| ducasse | comments on omgubuntu can be pretty worthless, though ;) | 13:14 |
| ducasse | afaik extensions are more or less necessary to make gnome bearable. | 13:14 |
| lotuspsychje | then lets hope 18.04 gnome will be influenced alot to make ubuntu vanilla a nice experience | 13:15 |
| lotuspsychje | or ill have to fight with mark :p | 13:16 |
| ducasse | "I tried virtual Debian running gnome as I think that Ubuntu with gnome will be the same as Debian with gnome." | 13:16 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: and what was your feeling about it? | 13:16 |
| ducasse | "i think" meaning "i have no clue what i'm talking about" :) | 13:17 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj seems also happy with vanilla debian | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | not vanilla lotuspsychje, Debian stretch KDE/plasma | 13:17 |
| ducasse | debian is nice, i _hate_ gnome though. | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | never been a gnome fan | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | think unity was worse tho | 13:19 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: some comments on that article say kde is a bit of resource hog? true/untrue<? | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje: it uses more than most DEs but it 's so flexioble and doesn't need an addon compostor, kwin takes care of that | 13:21 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: easy to tweak then? | 13:22 |
| BluesKaj | yes, it's been my DE for 12 yrs now | 13:22 |
| BluesKaj | I'm old school tho, the breese theme isn't my cup of tea | 13:23 |
| BluesKaj | breeze even | 13:23 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: well ill testout kubuntu-desktop xenial soon then | 13:26 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: the thing with gnome/kde being resource hogs is that they do a lot of stuff by default that lighter desktops don't handle :) | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: heavier then unity? | 13:27 |
| ducasse | about the same, probably. | 13:28 |
| BluesKaj | this is a shot of dolphin using a simple theme https://imagebin.ca/v/3Jc1I7JeISZR | 13:28 |
| lotuspsychje | dont wanna go lubuntu or xubuntu on my customers machines neither as underkill | 13:28 |
| hendrix | I've used kde even on dualcore/2gb pc from 2006 and it didn't feel slow or jerky. | 13:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lookin neat BluesKaj | 13:29 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse: yes that's correct about kde and default working in the bckground , One thing about debian is a lot of apps that are default on Kubuntu are left out in debain /kde | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | debian/kde | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | but they're mostly in the repos | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | for example dkms is not default , surprising | 13:41 |
| lotuspsychje | hi krypto_ | 13:41 |
| lotuspsychje | installed gnome shell | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c if i can tweak some stuff with gnome-tweak-tool now | 14:27 |
| oerheks | :-) | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | weird oO | 14:31 |
| lotuspsychje | dear lord its bad... | 14:36 |
| daftykins | i bet you even more people are going to be moaning than they do over Unity :) | 14:37 |
| lotuspsychje | installing kubuntu-desktop.. | 14:38 |
| lotuspsychje | lets test that | 14:38 |
| daftykins | eww KDE | 14:38 |
| daftykins | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4938484/ - this sounds interesting | 14:39 |
| lotuspsychje | cant be worst then gnome3 | 14:39 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: 6.5 not bad | 14:39 |
| lotuspsychje | 850mb install | 14:48 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 14:53 |
| lotuspsychje | kubuntu doesnt load to desktop after plasma logo | 15:01 |
| daftykins | what graphics + driver are you using? | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-72-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 79,0% free ** Disk: Total: 114,0GiB, 28,4% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 5m 12s ** | 15:02 |
| daftykins | eww AMD HD series | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | driver=radeon | 15:02 |
| daftykins | possible you've ever run KDE before? could have some iffy dot files on your ~, i'd try creating a new user and see how that fares | 15:03 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: nop, first install :p | 15:03 |
| lotuspsychje | and last too :p | 15:05 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje: try installing the amdgpu driver | 15:06 |
| daftykins | haha | 15:06 |
| daftykins | isn't the HD 6xxx series unsupported by that? pretty sure it's dead | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | gnome and unity working flawless on it? | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | why would this be a driver thing? | 15:08 |
| daftykins | because KDE utilises a lot of 3D crappery | 15:08 |
| * BluesKaj shrugs, kwin works fine on elcheapo nvidia ;_0 | 15:10 | |
| daftykins | that's 'cause nvidia driver support doesn't suck, like AMDs does :> | 15:10 |
| BluesKaj | it's a real mess | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | there used to be good support in the early days during kde3 and 4 | 15:12 |
| daftykins | maybe in the long run AMD's will improve, but that's probably 2+ years out and only on new supported cards, can't say i'm current on the open source AMD driver's progress though | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | perhaps wayland will bring enlightment to ubuntu's future? | 15:13 |
| daftykins | i doubt it | 15:15 |
| daftykins | i think that's another massive mess :P | 15:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:16 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | tadaaa | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | ok im gonna stick to unity7 as long as i can, and see what happens to the messy future... | 15:18 |
| oerheks | oh the future will be fun. | 15:19 |
| lotuspsychje | im sure it does | 15:19 |
| lotuspsychje | battle of the DE's lol | 15:20 |
| oerheks | DE WM DM .. | 15:20 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 15:20 |
| BluesKaj | waiting for kde/plsama on wayland, but it looks like it's going to be a while for kubuntu. Installed fedora 25 gnome 3.22 which uses wayland, but gnome is gnome, not my style :/ | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah didnt like gnome either | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | i was already affraid for.. | 15:28 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: it's really horrible, isn't it? :) | 15:30 |
| lotuspsychje | yes... | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont like a dock hiding, thats for starters | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | feels sluggish overall | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | and i dont even thinking of extensions.. | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | there's a problem with nvidia support for wayland as well | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | devs gonna have alot of work here | 15:34 |
| BluesKaj | my laptop with fedora 25 on wayland was very smooth with the intel gpu driver | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | so there's hope for ubuntu/gnome | 15:36 |
| ducasse | if nvidia did driver support the way intel does, i suspect we would have far fewer visitors to #ubuntu... | 16:11 |
| daftykins | intel support? thought that was just 'wait for a new kernel' :> | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | so far my intel support has been excellent for both graphics and audio | 16:15 |
| daftykins | seen tonnes of fuck ups on brand new CPUs with integrated graphics myself | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | well I especially like the intel audio driver with alsa, no pulseaudio required unless you plan to stream multiple audio sources simultaneously | 16:20 |
| ducasse | the very latest hw often needs a little time to work out the kinks, which isn't that surprising. things get fixed, though. | 16:20 |
| daftykins | ja | 16:20 |
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| Bashing-om | !kde | 18:34 |
| ubot5 | KDE (http://kde.org) is an open community that creates and maintains software including the Plasma desktop. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. | 18:34 |
| baizon | <3 kde | 18:36 |
| Bashing-om | Naw .. user preference ! KDE too much eye candy - too much overhead // KISS - me and my simple mind . | 18:37 |
| BluesKaj | Bashing-om: it can be made simpler, that desfault breeze theme tends to dominate everything on the DE, but with a little bit of tweaking in systemsettings .... | 18:48 |
| Bashing-om | BluesKaj: True ! it is buntu . My intro to ubuntu desktop was (k)ubuntu 9.04 :) .. went to (u)buntu at 10.04 and core install at 12.04 (untiy). | 18:53 |
| BluesKaj | ah, LtS user' | 18:54 |
| BluesKaj | well 10.04 qnd 12.04 | 18:56 |
| BluesKaj | bbl | 18:57 |
| Bashing-om | well . My "working" installs are LTS - I have 6 installs presently ( when I get around to plugging on my other 2 drives ). Currently I am up on 16.04 (x)ubuntu - 17.04 in the test bed ! | 18:58 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: never had problems using the regular releases as my stable installs, but i always buy hardware specifically to work with linux. | 19:06 |
| ducasse | plus i use a relatively narrow selection of software. | 19:06 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Honestly, I have never until this SSD/Nvidia card thing experienced a problem in any ubuntu release that I did not cause myself :) | 19:14 |
| Bashing-om | OH no ! that is a lie .. took me a while to figure out the forcedth NIC driver issue ! | 19:15 |
| Bashing-om | forcedeth* | 19:15 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: that is definitely the most common kind :) | 19:16 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: i'll be heading to bed, got an early appointment tomorrow. have fun :) | 19:17 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Not as much fun here when you are not here :P | 19:17 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: my presence attracts the 'fun' users/questions ;) | 19:19 |
| ducasse | ttyl | 19:19 |
| Bashing-om | md5sum | 21:41 |
| Bashing-om | !md5sum | 21:41 |
| ubot5 | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM | 21:41 |
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