=== ahoneybun is now known as Guest36814 [03:34] good morning to all [06:05] http://news.softpedia.com/news/dell-launches-precision-5720-all-in-one-workstation-powered-by-ubuntu-16-04-lts-514958.shtml [06:06] good morning everyone [06:06] hey ducasse [06:06] day off today [06:07] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-1710-no-email-client-default [06:09] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default [06:10] wayland by default - interesting. [06:10] perhaps at 17.10 [06:11] Good morning [06:12] changes again are comming ! [06:12] hey there lordievader [06:13] Hey lotuspsychje [06:13] How are you doing? [06:13] great here [06:25] bbl guys breakfast [06:40] morning lordievader [06:42] Hey ducasse [06:42] How are you? [06:51] good thanks, and you? [06:51] still on the morning tea, reading news. [06:59] Smoke Break ! imibe in my nasty habit - [07:00] me too, my friend... [07:08] Doing good here :) [07:42] so many changes comming to ubuntu these past few weeks! But overall I think its good that ubuntu will stay closer to upstream [10:39] 'Morning folks [11:12] good morning BluesKaj :) [11:13] 'Morning ducasse, how's things? [11:13] good thanks, and you? [11:13] fine here too [11:15] i'm currently prepping the server to switch the root disk, backing up the config stuff and moving services into containers. hope to actually put in a new disk this week. [11:16] assume the root disk is a ssd ? [11:17] not now, no. but it will be. [11:17] right [11:19] everything else is just storage, so hdds. not much point in ssd-backed network storage on gigabit lan :) [11:20] the samasung evo ssd breathed new life into this old pc , just shows how hdds are bottleneck [11:20] samsung rather [11:21] absolutely, even my old core 2 duo seemed usable with an ssd. [11:25] yup, this is an amd 5200+ dual core cpu [11:26] dunno how long the mobo and cpu will last, but we'll just keep on chugging along :-) [11:27] my server is a phenom ii something quad, iirc. as long as zfs has a bit of ram it's fine for what it does. i'm thinking of getting a new mobo + an i3 or i5 this summer, though. [12:23] good afternoon to all [12:25] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubports-recommends-buying-fairphone-2-oneplus-one-or-nexus-5-as-ubuntu-phones-514949.shtml [12:51] hey EriC^^ [12:51] hey lto [12:51] lotuspsychje: [12:51] all ok there [12:51] yeah, you? [12:51] fine, day off here :p [12:51] cool [12:51] sunny outside , but cool [12:58] lfei: welcome [12:59] bye oO [13:05] * ducasse yawns [13:05] lotuspsychje: slow today :) [13:05] yeah ducasse, seems like zzzZZZzzz [13:07] more tea! [13:07] yessss [13:08] ill have an icetea :p [13:09] go for it, i say :) [13:10] anyone knows if gnome shell do classic shell by default also? [13:10] (gnome classic) [13:10] wasn't that killed off? i might be wrong. [13:11] can be ducasse, ill have to test gnome soon :p [13:11] but the comments on recent omgubuntu article skared me :p [13:12] : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/poll-tried-gnome-shell-ubuntu [13:14] they all mention gnome extensions [13:14] comments on omgubuntu can be pretty worthless, though ;) [13:14] afaik extensions are more or less necessary to make gnome bearable. [13:15] then lets hope 18.04 gnome will be influenced alot to make ubuntu vanilla a nice experience [13:16] or ill have to fight with mark :p [13:16] "I tried virtual Debian running gnome as I think that Ubuntu with gnome will be the same as Debian with gnome." [13:16] ducasse: and what was your feeling about it? [13:17] "i think" meaning "i have no clue what i'm talking about" :) [13:17] BluesKaj seems also happy with vanilla debian [13:17] not vanilla lotuspsychje, Debian stretch KDE/plasma [13:18] debian is nice, i _hate_ gnome though. [13:18] never been a gnome fan [13:19] think unity was worse tho [13:19] BluesKaj: some comments on that article say kde is a bit of resource hog? true/untrue lotuspsychje: it uses more than most DEs but it 's so flexioble and doesn't need an addon compostor, kwin takes care of that [13:22] BluesKaj: easy to tweak then? [13:22] yes, it's been my DE for 12 yrs now [13:23] I'm old school tho, the breese theme isn't my cup of tea [13:23] breeze even [13:26] BluesKaj: well ill testout kubuntu-desktop xenial soon then [13:26] lotuspsychje: the thing with gnome/kde being resource hogs is that they do a lot of stuff by default that lighter desktops don't handle :) [13:27] ducasse: heavier then unity? [13:28] about the same, probably. [13:28] this is a shot of dolphin using a simple theme https://imagebin.ca/v/3Jc1I7JeISZR [13:28] dont wanna go lubuntu or xubuntu on my customers machines neither as underkill [13:28] I've used kde even on dualcore/2gb pc from 2006 and it didn't feel slow or jerky. [13:29] lookin neat BluesKaj [13:32] ducasse: yes that's correct about kde and default working in the bckground , One thing about debian is a lot of apps that are default on Kubuntu are left out in debain /kde [13:32] debian/kde [13:32] but they're mostly in the repos [13:41] for example dkms is not default , surprising [13:41] hi krypto_ [14:27] installed gnome shell [14:27] lets c if i can tweak some stuff with gnome-tweak-tool now [14:28] :-) [14:31] weird oO [14:36] dear lord its bad... [14:37] i bet you even more people are going to be moaning than they do over Unity :) [14:38] installing kubuntu-desktop.. [14:38] lets test that [14:38] eww KDE [14:39] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4938484/ - this sounds interesting [14:39] cant be worst then gnome3 [14:39] daftykins: 6.5 not bad [14:48] 850mb install [14:53] lets c [15:01] kubuntu doesnt load to desktop after plasma logo [15:02] what graphics + driver are you using? [15:02] HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-72-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 79,0% free ** Disk: Total: 114,0GiB, 28,4% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm [15:02] Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 5m 12s ** [15:02] eww AMD HD series [15:02] driver=radeon [15:03] possible you've ever run KDE before? could have some iffy dot files on your ~, i'd try creating a new user and see how that fares [15:03] daftykins: nop, first install :p [15:05] and last too :p [15:06] lotuspsychje: try installing the amdgpu driver [15:06] haha [15:07] isn't the HD 6xxx series unsupported by that? pretty sure it's dead [15:07] gnome and unity working flawless on it? [15:08] why would this be a driver thing? [15:08] because KDE utilises a lot of 3D crappery [15:10] * BluesKaj shrugs, kwin works fine on elcheapo nvidia ;_0 [15:10] that's 'cause nvidia driver support doesn't suck, like AMDs does :> [15:11] it's a real mess [15:11] yeah [15:12] there used to be good support in the early days during kde3 and 4 [15:12] maybe in the long run AMD's will improve, but that's probably 2+ years out and only on new supported cards, can't say i'm current on the open source AMD driver's progress though [15:13] perhaps wayland will bring enlightment to ubuntu's future? [15:15] i doubt it [15:15] i think that's another massive mess :P [15:16] lol [15:17] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default [15:17] tadaaa [15:18] ok im gonna stick to unity7 as long as i can, and see what happens to the messy future... [15:19] oh the future will be fun. [15:19] im sure it does [15:20] battle of the DE's lol [15:20] DE WM DM .. [15:20] :p [15:26] waiting for kde/plsama on wayland, but it looks like it's going to be a while for kubuntu. Installed fedora 25 gnome 3.22 which uses wayland, but gnome is gnome, not my style :/ [15:28] yeah didnt like gnome either [15:28] i was already affraid for.. [15:30] lotuspsychje: it's really horrible, isn't it? :) [15:31] yes... [15:31] i dont like a dock hiding, thats for starters [15:31] feels sluggish overall [15:31] and i dont even thinking of extensions.. [15:32] there's a problem with nvidia support for wayland as well [15:34] devs gonna have alot of work here [15:35] my laptop with fedora 25 on wayland was very smooth with the intel gpu driver [15:36] so there's hope for ubuntu/gnome [16:11] if nvidia did driver support the way intel does, i suspect we would have far fewer visitors to #ubuntu... [16:13] intel support? thought that was just 'wait for a new kernel' :> [16:15] so far my intel support has been excellent for both graphics and audio [16:16] seen tonnes of fuck ups on brand new CPUs with integrated graphics myself [16:20] well I especially like the intel audio driver with alsa, no pulseaudio required unless you plan to stream multiple audio sources simultaneously [16:20] the very latest hw often needs a little time to work out the kinks, which isn't that surprising. things get fixed, though. [16:20] ja === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:34] !kde [18:34] KDE (http://kde.org) is an open community that creates and maintains software including the Plasma desktop. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [18:36] <3 kde [18:37] Naw .. user preference ! KDE too much eye candy - too much overhead // KISS - me and my simple mind . [18:48] Bashing-om: it can be made simpler, that desfault breeze theme tends to dominate everything on the DE, but with a little bit of tweaking in systemsettings .... [18:53] BluesKaj: True ! it is buntu . My intro to ubuntu desktop was (k)ubuntu 9.04 :) .. went to (u)buntu at 10.04 and core install at 12.04 (untiy). [18:54] ah, LtS user' [18:56] well 10.04 qnd 12.04 [18:57] bbl [18:58] well . My "working" installs are LTS - I have 6 installs presently ( when I get around to plugging on my other 2 drives ). Currently I am up on 16.04 (x)ubuntu - 17.04 in the test bed ! [19:06] Bashing-om: never had problems using the regular releases as my stable installs, but i always buy hardware specifically to work with linux. [19:06] plus i use a relatively narrow selection of software. [19:14] ducasse: Honestly, I have never until this SSD/Nvidia card thing experienced a problem in any ubuntu release that I did not cause myself :) [19:15] OH no ! that is a lie .. took me a while to figure out the forcedth NIC driver issue ! [19:15] forcedeth* [19:16] Bashing-om: that is definitely the most common kind :) [19:17] Bashing-om: i'll be heading to bed, got an early appointment tomorrow. have fun :) [19:17] ducasse: Not as much fun here when you are not here :P [19:19] Bashing-om: my presence attracts the 'fun' users/questions ;) [19:19] ttyl [21:41] md5sum [21:41] !md5sum [21:41] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM