[03:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/dell-launches-precision-5720-all-in-one-workstation-powered-by-ubuntu-16-04-lts-514958.shtml
[06:06] <ducasse> good morning everyone
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> day off today
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-1710-no-email-client-default
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default
[06:10] <ducasse> wayland by default - interesting.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> perhaps at 17.10
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:12] <Bashing-om> changes again are comming !
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hey there lordievader
[06:13] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:13] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys breakfast
[06:40] <ducasse> morning lordievader
[06:42] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:42] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:51] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[06:51] <ducasse> still on the morning tea, reading news.
[06:59] <Bashing-om> Smoke Break ! imibe in my nasty habit -
[07:00] <ducasse> me too, my friend...
[07:08] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:42] <trijntje> so many changes comming to ubuntu these past few weeks! But overall I think its good that ubuntu will stay closer to upstream
[10:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:12] <ducasse> good morning BluesKaj :)
[11:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse, how's things?
[11:13] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> fine here too
[11:15] <ducasse> i'm currently prepping the server to switch the root disk, backing up the config stuff and moving services into containers. hope to actually put in a new disk this week.
[11:16] <BluesKaj> assume the root disk is a ssd ?
[11:17] <ducasse> not now, no. but it will be.
[11:17] <BluesKaj> right
[11:19] <ducasse> everything else is just storage, so hdds. not much point in ssd-backed network storage on gigabit lan :)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> the samasung evo ssd breathed new life into this old pc , just shows how hdds are bottleneck
[11:20] <BluesKaj> samsung rather
[11:21] <ducasse> absolutely, even my old core 2 duo seemed usable with an ssd.
[11:25] <BluesKaj> yup, this is an amd 5200+ dual core cpu
[11:26] <BluesKaj> dunno how long the mobo and cpu will last, but we'll just keep on chugging along :-)
[11:27] <ducasse> my server is a phenom ii something quad, iirc. as long as zfs has a bit of ram it's fine for what it does. i'm thinking of getting a new mobo + an i3 or i5 this summer, though.
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubports-recommends-buying-fairphone-2-oneplus-one-or-nexus-5-as-ubuntu-phones-514949.shtml
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[12:51] <EriC^^> hey lto
[12:51] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje:
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> all ok there
[12:51] <EriC^^> yeah, you?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> fine, day off here :p
[12:51] <EriC^^> cool
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> sunny outside , but cool
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> lfei: welcome
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> bye oO
[13:05]  * ducasse yawns
[13:05] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: slow today :)
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah ducasse, seems like zzzZZZzzz
[13:07] <ducasse> more tea!
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> yessss
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> ill have an icetea :p
[13:09] <ducasse> go for it, i say :)
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows if gnome shell do classic shell by default also?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> (gnome classic)
[13:10] <ducasse> wasn't that killed off? i might be wrong.
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> can be ducasse, ill have to test gnome soon :p
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> but the comments on recent omgubuntu article skared me :p
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/poll-tried-gnome-shell-ubuntu
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> they all mention gnome extensions
[13:14] <ducasse> comments on omgubuntu can be pretty worthless, though ;)
[13:14] <ducasse> afaik extensions are more or less necessary to make gnome bearable.
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> then lets hope 18.04 gnome will be influenced alot to make ubuntu vanilla a nice experience
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> or ill have to fight with mark :p
[13:16] <ducasse> "I tried virtual Debian running gnome as I think that Ubuntu with gnome will be the same as Debian with gnome."
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: and what was your feeling about it?
[13:17] <ducasse> "i think" meaning "i have no clue what i'm talking about" :)
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj seems also happy with vanilla debian
[13:17] <BluesKaj> not vanilla lotuspsychje, Debian stretch KDE/plasma
[13:18] <ducasse> debian is nice, i _hate_ gnome though.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> never been a gnome fan
[13:19] <BluesKaj> think unity was worse tho
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: some comments on that article say kde is a bit of resource hog? true/untrue<?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  it uses more than most DEs but it 's so flexioble and doesn't need an addon compostor, kwin takes care of that
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: easy to tweak then?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> yes, it's been my DE for 12 yrs now
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I'm old school tho, the breese theme isn't my cup of tea
[13:23] <BluesKaj> breeze even
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: well ill testout kubuntu-desktop xenial soon then
[13:26] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: the thing with gnome/kde being resource hogs is that they do a lot of stuff by default that lighter desktops don't handle :)
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: heavier then unity?
[13:28] <ducasse> about the same, probably.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> this is a shot of dolphin using a simple theme https://imagebin.ca/v/3Jc1I7JeISZR
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> dont wanna go lubuntu or xubuntu on my customers machines neither as underkill
[13:28] <hendrix> I've used kde even on dualcore/2gb pc from 2006 and it didn't feel slow or jerky.
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> lookin neat BluesKaj
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ducasse:  yes that's correct about kde and default working in the bckground , One thing about debian is a  lot of apps that are default on Kubuntu are left out in debain /kde
[13:32] <BluesKaj> debian/kde
[13:32] <BluesKaj> but they're mostly in the repos
[13:41] <BluesKaj> for example dkms is not default , surprising
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> hi krypto_
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> installed gnome shell
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> lets c if i can tweak some stuff with gnome-tweak-tool now
[14:28] <oerheks> :-)
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> weird oO
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> dear lord its bad...
[14:37] <daftykins> i bet you even more people are going to be moaning than they do over Unity :)
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> installing kubuntu-desktop..
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> lets test that
[14:38] <daftykins> eww KDE
[14:39] <daftykins> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4938484/ - this sounds interesting
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> cant be worst then gnome3
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: 6.5 not bad
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> 850mb install
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> kubuntu doesnt load to desktop after plasma logo
[15:02] <daftykins> what graphics + driver are you using?
[15:02] <lotuspsychje>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-72-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 79,0% free ** Disk: Total: 114,0GiB, 28,4% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ** Ethernet: Qualcomm
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet ** Uptime: 5m 12s **
[15:02] <daftykins> eww AMD HD series
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> driver=radeon
[15:03] <daftykins> possible you've ever run KDE before? could have some iffy dot files on your ~, i'd try creating a new user and see how that fares
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: nop, first install :p
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> and last too :p
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  try installing the amdgpu driver
[15:06] <daftykins> haha
[15:07] <daftykins> isn't the HD 6xxx series unsupported by that? pretty sure it's dead
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> gnome and unity working flawless on it?
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> why would this be a driver thing?
[15:08] <daftykins> because KDE utilises a lot of 3D crappery
[15:10]  * BluesKaj shrugs, kwin works fine on elcheapo nvidia ;_0
[15:10] <daftykins> that's 'cause nvidia driver support doesn't suck, like AMDs does :>
[15:11] <BluesKaj> it's a real mess
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:12] <BluesKaj> there used to be good support in the early days during kde3 and 4
[15:12] <daftykins> maybe in the long run AMD's will improve, but that's probably 2+ years out and only on new supported cards, can't say i'm current on the open source AMD driver's progress though
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> perhaps wayland will bring enlightment to ubuntu's future?
[15:15] <daftykins> i doubt it
[15:15] <daftykins> i think that's another massive mess :P
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-will-run-wayland-default
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> tadaaa
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> ok im gonna stick to unity7 as long as i can, and see what happens to the messy future...
[15:19] <oerheks> oh the future will be fun.
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> im sure it does
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> battle of the DE's lol
[15:20] <oerheks> DE WM DM ..
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:26] <BluesKaj> waiting for kde/plsama on wayland, but it looks like it's going to be a while for kubuntu. Installed fedora 25 gnome 3.22 which uses wayland, but gnome is gnome, not my style :/
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah didnt like gnome either
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> i was already affraid for..
[15:30] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it's really horrible, isn't it? :)
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> yes...
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> i dont like a dock hiding, thats for starters
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> feels sluggish overall
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> and i dont even thinking of extensions..
[15:32] <BluesKaj> there's a problem with nvidia support for wayland as well
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> devs gonna have alot of work here
[15:35] <BluesKaj> my laptop with fedora 25 on wayland was very smooth with the intel gpu driver
[15:36] <BluesKaj> so there's hope for ubuntu/gnome
[16:11] <ducasse> if nvidia did driver support the way intel does, i suspect we would have far fewer visitors to #ubuntu...
[16:13] <daftykins> intel support? thought that was just 'wait for a new kernel' :>
[16:15] <BluesKaj> so far my intel support has been excellent for both graphics and audio
[16:16] <daftykins> seen tonnes of fuck ups on brand new CPUs with integrated graphics myself
[16:20] <BluesKaj> well I especially like the intel audio driver with alsa, no pulseaudio required unless you plan to stream multiple audio sources simultaneously
[16:20] <ducasse> the very latest hw often needs a little time to work out the kinks, which isn't that surprising. things get fixed, though.
[16:20] <daftykins> ja
[18:34] <Bashing-om> !kde
[18:36] <baizon> <3 kde
[18:37] <Bashing-om> Naw .. user preference ! KDE too much eye candy - too much overhead // KISS - me and my simple mind .
[18:48] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om:  it can be made simpler, that desfault breeze theme tends to dominate everything on the DE, but with a little bit of tweaking in systemsettings ....
[18:53] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: True ! it is buntu . My intro to ubuntu desktop was (k)ubuntu 9.04 :) .. went to (u)buntu at 10.04 and core install at 12.04 (untiy).
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ah, LtS user'
[18:56] <BluesKaj> well 10.04 qnd 12.04
[18:57] <BluesKaj> bbl
[18:58] <Bashing-om> well . My "working" installs are LTS - I have 6 installs presently ( when I get around to plugging on my other 2 drives ). Currently I am up on 16.04 (x)ubuntu  - 17.04 in the test bed !
[19:06] <ducasse> Bashing-om: never had problems using the regular releases as my stable installs, but i always buy hardware specifically to work with linux.
[19:06] <ducasse> plus i use a relatively narrow selection of software.
[19:14] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Honestly, I have never until this SSD/Nvidia card thing experienced a problem in any ubuntu release that I did not cause myself :)
[19:15] <Bashing-om> OH no ! that is a lie .. took me a while to figure out the forcedth NIC driver issue !
[19:15] <Bashing-om> forcedeth*
[19:16] <ducasse> Bashing-om: that is definitely the most common kind :)
[19:17] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll be heading to bed, got an early appointment tomorrow. have fun :)
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Not as much fun here when you are not here :P
[19:19] <ducasse> Bashing-om: my presence attracts the 'fun' users/questions ;)
[19:19] <ducasse> ttyl
[21:41] <Bashing-om> md5sum
[21:41] <Bashing-om> !md5sum