[02:44] <cannaman> For some reason there is no browser installed.
[02:44] <cannaman> In Ubuntu Mate
[02:44] <PlainDave> Firefox isn't in the menu under "Internet"?
[02:45] <cannaman> Nope
[02:45] <cannaman> When I try to install plainedave...
[02:45] <cannaman> "Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:45] <cannaman> "
[02:45] <cannaman> Any ideas plaindave?
[02:46] <cannaman> Hexchat, Pidgin, Thunderbird, Transmission, Youtube
[02:47] <PlainDave> Gosh, I don't know what could have happened. Are you running 17.04?
[02:47] <DarkPsydeLord> well this was annoying
[02:48] <cannaman> PlainDave - 17.04?
[02:48] <cannaman> I'm running Ubuntu Mate for a Raspberry Pi 2.
[02:48] <DarkPsydeLord> after the upgrade i had to fight with internet again like back in those ubuntu 6.04 times
[02:48] <PlainDave> Oh, okay. I don't know anything about Ras Pi.
[02:48] <DarkPsydeLord> it was awesome XD
[02:49] <cannaman> DarkPsydeLord - Lol
[02:49] <PlainDave> sorry cannaman
[02:49] <cannaman> I tried purge, now update, will try to re-install.
[02:50] <DarkPsydeLord> im not kidding it was so familiar that i just immediately knew where to look XD
[02:51] <cannaman> DarkPsydeLord - Any suggestions for me?
[02:51] <DarkPsydeLord> about? sorry i just connected after fighting my wifi after the 17.04 upgrade
[02:52] <cannaman> Not being able to install Firefox on Ubuntu Mate via command line.
[02:53] <DarkPsydeLord> sudo apt -f?
[02:53] <DarkPsydeLord> sorry
[02:53] <DarkPsydeLord> apt install -f
[02:54] <cannaman> Just "apt install -f" or "apt install -firefox"
[02:54] <DarkPsydeLord> no that to fix dependencies
[02:54] <DarkPsydeLord> then try again
[02:54] <cannaman> oh ok, will try
[02:55] <cannaman> No still not working.
[02:55] <cannaman> So frustrating...
[02:55] <cannaman> Can you install other browsers?
[02:56] <DarkPsydeLord> try chromium?
[02:56] <DarkPsydeLord> is there an error message or something?
[02:56] <DarkPsydeLord> sudo apt install firefox?
[02:57] <cannaman> DarkPysdeLord - yes
[02:57] <cannaman> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:57] <DarkPsydeLord> did you?
[02:57] <cannaman> Chromium install threw - Package 'chromium' has no installation candidate
[02:58] <cannaman> DarkPysdeLord - Yes, ran update.
[02:58] <DarkPsydeLord> sudo apt update
[02:58] <cannaman> --fix-missing doesn't do anything, yeah like that.
[02:58] <cannaman> AND upgrade.
[02:59] <DarkPsydeLord> no error messages?
[03:00] <cannaman> Not for upgrade and update
[03:01] <cannaman> "sudo: unrecognized option '--fix-missing"
[03:01] <DarkPsydeLord> uhm must be missing something whats the architecture of your pc
[03:01] <cannaman> Raspberry Pi 2
[03:02] <DarkPsydeLord> o lol
[03:02] <DarkPsydeLord> then theres no firefox suitable por you
[03:02] <DarkPsydeLord> you must install iceweasel
[03:02] <DarkPsydeLord> apt-get install iceweasel --no-install-recommends
[03:03] <cannaman> Ok thanks
[03:03] <DarkPsydeLord> just remember theres no flash support for rpi
[03:03] <cannaman> DarkPysdeLord, right
[03:03] <cannaman> I had to install some different Youtube components.
[03:04] <DarkPsydeLord> i wonder if they dropped apt-get from rpi too in any case sudo apt install instead of apt-get
[03:04] <cannaman> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[03:05] <cannaman> I don't think so.
[03:05] <cannaman> Either works, but both are throwing same error.
[03:07] <DarkPsydeLord> are you connected to the internet in your rpi?
[03:07] <cannaman> yes
[03:07] <DarkPsydeLord> can you ping -c 3 google.com for example?
[03:07] <cannaman> I'm using Hexchat on it :
[03:08] <cannaman> :)
[03:08] <DarkPsydeLord> o lol
[03:08] <DarkPsydeLord> wonder if dns issue
[03:08] <cannaman> PING google.com (173.194.204.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
[03:08] <cannaman> 64 bytes from qb-in-f139.1e100.net (173.194.204.139): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=100 ms
[03:08] <cannaman> 64 bytes from qb-in-f139.1e100.net (173.194.204.139): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43 time=33.0 ms
[03:08] <cannaman> 64 bytes from qb-in-f139.1e100.net (173.194.204.139): icmp_seq=3 ttl=43 time=31.7 ms
[03:08] <cannaman> --- google.com ping statistics ---
[03:08] <cannaman> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms
[03:08] <cannaman> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.787/55.221/100.855/32.272 ms
[03:09] <cannaman> You think I need to change the resolvers?
[03:09] <DarkPsydeLord> maybe have a quick look at /etc/resolv.conf
[03:10] <cannaman> What should I see?
[03:11] <DarkPsydeLord> try adding a different resolv like the google ones
[03:11] <cannaman> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[03:11] <cannaman> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[03:11] <cannaman> nameserver 127.0.1.1
[03:11] <cannaman> search hsd1.md.comcast.net
[03:12] <DarkPsydeLord> add nameserver 8.8.8.8
[03:12] <DarkPsydeLord> the dns from google that will tell a lot
[03:12] <cannaman> And 8.8.4.4?
[03:12] <DarkPsydeLord> yes
[03:13] <DarkPsydeLord> but i dont actually recall doing this on my rpi
[03:13] <cannaman> what about search?
[03:13] <DarkPsydeLord> since i had it plugged directly to my router
[03:14] <DarkPsydeLord> nothing to look at search
[03:14] <cannaman> DarkPysdeLord - Device connects fast now.
[03:14] <cannaman> DarkPysdeLord - Now it is not working.
[03:15] <cannaman> DarkPsydeLord - Giving same error code I mean.
[03:15] <DarkPsydeLord> hahaha
[03:15] <cannaman> Hits ports.ubuntu.com like a mofo.
[03:16] <cannaman> F*cking comcast and verizon...
[03:16] <DarkPsydeLord> uhmm
[03:17] <DarkPsydeLord> what about running rpi-update
[03:18] <cannaman> I'll try that
[03:18] <cannaman> invalid operation
[03:19] <DarkPsydeLord> did you updated the firmware in your rpi?
[03:19] <cannaman> No
[03:19] <cannaman> How do I do that DarkPysdeLord?
[03:23] <DarkPsydeLord> well usually through the update and upgrade commands we are trying to perform
[03:24] <cannaman> ok
[03:25] <DarkPsydeLord> but i think i just asked the wrong question
[03:25] <cannaman> alright
[03:29] <DarkPsydeLord> did you used the update command at all before i mean did it work ?
[04:18] <DarkPsydeLord> oh gosh
[04:18] <DarkPsydeLord> i just freaking fought with eno1 now
[04:18] <DarkPsydeLord> :S
[08:28] <lhtd> I have to say that I love the welcome screen from mate
[09:05] <Guest17722> hi, at the start of my mate session my workspace switcher shows 4 workspaces per workspace and retutn normal only if i change the screen resolution (the screen is 4k). Do you know how to permanently fix this?
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[15:21] <markb1> What's the "relative stability" of Ubuntu Mate (latest or 16.04.x) for multiple monitors (up / down). Cinnamon is making me nuts with lock-up crashes, when Monitor configs change!
[15:22] <alkisg> It should be stable :)
[15:23] <markb1> ready to abandon Cinnamon for good, and try a stable Ubu desktop (XFCE is not any better, w/N monitors and config changes)
[15:23] <alkisg> You can configure multiple monitors from xorg.conf
[15:23] <alkisg> That way you completely bypass the desktop environment code
[15:23] <markb1> Ugh -- no UI for this?   Current Ubu desktops generally ignore old X conventions (RDB files, etc)
[15:23] <alkisg> Of course there's UI
[15:24] <alkisg> But you can also configure it globally from xorg.conf and ignore the UI
[15:24] <markb1> alkisg: thanks.  It's important, I do real dev-work on ubu, and the crashes cause no end of grief.  thank you.
[15:24] <alkisg> What are "rdb files"?
[15:24] <alkisg> All Ubuntu desktops respect /etc/X11/xorg.conf...
[15:25] <alkisg> And that way you don't need to configure lightdm etc separately
[15:25] <markb1> It makes me wonder if some desktop devs really use their desktops ;)   I am on Thinkpads, really - widely used Gfx chips and HW
[15:25] <markb1> xrdb / xmodmap / .xsession / etc
[15:25] <markb1> pretty much ignored now
[15:25] <markb1> their .dot files
[15:25] <alkisg> Well, they have their place but it's not for everyone
[15:26] <alkisg> While xorg.conf still is
[15:26] <markb1> alkisg: ok, I will take that as a recommendation, thank you!
[15:26] <alkisg> np; the best way to troubleshoot crashes though is to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[15:27] <alkisg> If your device driver crashes with certain xrandr combinations, you can avoid them
[15:27] <markb1> yeah, I would have to turn on debugging versions of X11, cinnamon etc etc -- long-time since I did a lot of X
[15:27] <markb1> but that's a good idea
[15:27] <alkisg> Not really, xorg logs its segfaults
[15:27] <alkisg> (by default)
[15:27] <markb1> if these monitors or (Thinkpad) HW were oddball, I could see why this is happening
[15:30] <markb1> I suspect cinnamon itself, though, because it spontaneously crashes itself, w/o a lockup, from time-to-time
[15:30] <alkisg> When an application crashes, xorg continues to function
[15:31] <alkisg> If you see lock-up crashes, then that's xorg
[15:31] <markb1> Yes, in this case.  Otherwise, complete weird looking screen replication, and no ability to cntl-alt-backspace or get to Linux console(s)
[15:31] <alkisg> Ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled by default
[15:32] <alkisg> If alt+ctrl+f1 doesn't function, that's  xorg
[15:32] <markb1> I think it's on, will double-check.  That still does not always work -- OK
[15:32] <markb1> That may explain the crashes across desktops (XFCE, cinnamon) that I have observed.  Surprised *everyone* is not seeing these!
[15:33] <markb1> w/N monitors and Thinkpads
[15:33] <alkisg> If it's a problem with the graphics driver as I suspect, that also explain why not everyone sees it
[15:33] <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA => gives useful information about the card and driver
[15:33] <markb1> vanilla Intel chipsets or W541 gfx hardware -- pretty consistent across TPad HW
[15:33] <markb1> alkisg: ah OK, right
[15:34] <markb1> Yeah, Nvidia K1000M on this Thinkpad W541
[15:35] <markb1> old, now
[15:35] <alkisg> It's best if you actually paste the output
[15:35] <alkisg> Now I don't know what driver you use
[15:36] <markb1> https://dpaste.de/apVk
[15:36] <markb1> but I have had same crashing (Xorg? combo w/Cinnamon?) with vanilla Tpad / Intel video
[15:36] <alkisg> And the output of xrandr?
[15:36] <markb1> OK
[15:36] <alkisg> You have a dual card laptop
[15:37] <markb1> In this case, yes.
[15:37] <markb1> https://dpaste.de/NY68
[15:38] <alkisg> Yeah you have a kernel with the classic eDP2 issue, it was solved a couple of months ago
[15:38] <alkisg> bbiab
[15:38] <markb1> alkisg: wow, thanks!  upgrade to ??  17.04 Ubuntu???
[15:38] <markb1> OK
[15:39] <alkisg> No, just wait for the new kernel backport
[15:39] <alkisg> Stick to lts releases...
[15:39] <markb1> except Ubuntu MATE now has new release on 17.04 (?) :)
[15:56] <markb1> alkisg: what's the kernel version to expect?  the stability is awful right now
[15:59] <alkisg> markb1: what i said is not related to stability, it's a ghost monitor that doesn't exist in reality
[16:00] <alkisg> I filed it there: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100267
[16:00] <alkisg> With kernel 4.11 the problem was gone
[16:00] <markb1> hrm, even 17.04 ubu is shipping w/4.10, not 4.11...
[16:00] <alkisg> Yes, you'll need to use a ppa or wait more :)
[16:01] <alkisg> But it's not related to the stability issues
[16:01] <alkisg> You can try the xorg.conf, it's usually more stable than changing all the time with xrandr
[16:01] <alkisg> And the best thing to do is to look at the segfault in xorg.0.log.old
[16:01] <alkisg> So that you can google and see if it's already filed and fixed
[16:01] <markb1> OK, will do all of that.  thank you.
[16:02] <alkisg> np
[19:57] <esdwdftty> On the another HDD Gnome disk see all partitions. But HDD-2 not have the same configuration partitions. It's not a question of why. This is a statement of fact.  This have all or only for me. Chek.
[19:57] <esdwdftty> http://www.fileconvoy.com/gf.php?id=g891521cef4bd0d5d999953960.10234393de969e2ee5ca787&sts=14926279529526127112b74d74c64e1c50d7b103b893a3ad0f78
[19:59] <esdwdftty> partitions mount norm
[20:13] <esdwdftty> NTFS have first physical sector 4096
[20:15] <esdwdftty> 1 mb not useed