=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [05:48] Son_Goku: there's a patch in capnproto master to fix the build. [07:10] Excellent. Changing to display mode 640x480 still gives the EGL draw buffer dimensions 1920x1200 [07:10] Not my fault [tm] [07:24] hi [07:24] Is Mir included in 17.04 ? or it's Wayland by default now ??? [07:24] not following everything in the Ubuntu world [07:25] Unity has been dropped right ? Which is a good thing...it is FUGLY as in Fucking Ulgly [07:25] Many people moved to other distros since that Unity thing started [07:25] Good to see Ubuntu is back on track [07:26] I just wanna install a good distro for the latest Kaby Lake intel processor...Gonna used the internal HD GRAPHICS [07:26] which distro should I install [07:27] and should I try Mir / Wayland or stay with X [07:27] We're completely lost these days with all those news [07:30] zorrolechat: Ubuntu 17.04 was completed before the news broke, so is still Unity7 by default with the Unity8 option available [07:30] The real changes will occur starting 17.10 [07:31] oh thanks [07:32] so 17.10 will come with Wayland or Mir ? [07:32] I just want to install something on a Kaby Lake processor (so probably kernel 4.10+)...that will support Mir / Wayland [07:32] without needing to reinstall everything in a few months [07:33] zorrolechat: If you want to minimize reinstalls, it's a good idea to stick to long term releases (16.04, 18.04...) [07:34] right....typing from a 16.04 mate install [07:34] I see [07:34] RAOF: Did you know that changing modes to lower resolution keeps the old larger bounding rect? So the display buffer remains larger than the display [07:34] Such is mesa-kms [07:37] Oh, maybe it's just this branch [11:22] I know that Unity 8 + convergence + phone is discontinued, but what happens to Mir? [11:22] zzarr, the mir-kiosk snap will persist [11:23] (no idea if any other aspects of mir will see any canonical side development ... but perhaps the community will pick up) [11:24] ogra_, thanks [11:25] I still have hope for convergence and phone/tablet, I just think that the time was not right [11:33] the time was erfectly right ... see the galaxy S8 ... the adoption of manufacturers wasnt [11:33] *perfectly [11:44] you were too early :) [11:44] fortune favors the bold, but it punishes the early [11:48] well, we were showing it to them giving them ideas :) [12:33] I saw the first computer with touchscreen that could be used as tablet about 5-10 years before they became common [13:32] i think we need to sell our smartphones and buy dumb cell phones [13:32] computers were made with keyboards [13:32] to do text processing [13:32] coding [13:32] video editing [13:32] smart phones are toys [13:32] for teens [13:32] ... [13:33] I hate Android and iOS [13:33] they're both fugly IMHO [13:33] Blackberry was smarter and more secure [13:35] As long as a phone can call, send texts, occasionally browse the webs or have a mail client it should be enough === JanC_ is now known as JanC