[05:48] <RAOF> Son_Goku: there's a patch in capnproto master to fix the build.
[07:10] <duflu> Excellent. Changing to display mode 640x480 still gives the EGL draw buffer dimensions 1920x1200
[07:10] <duflu> Not my fault [tm]
[07:24] <zorrolechat> hi
[07:24] <zorrolechat> Is Mir included in 17.04 ? or it's Wayland by default now ???
[07:24] <zorrolechat> not following everything in the Ubuntu world
[07:25] <zorrolechat> Unity has been dropped right ? Which is a good thing...it is FUGLY as in Fucking Ulgly
[07:25] <zorrolechat> Many people moved to other distros since that Unity thing started
[07:25] <zorrolechat> Good to see Ubuntu is back on track
[07:26] <zorrolechat> I just wanna install a good distro for the latest Kaby Lake intel processor...Gonna used the internal HD GRAPHICS
[07:26] <zorrolechat> which distro should I install
[07:27] <zorrolechat> and should I try Mir / Wayland or stay with X
[07:27] <zorrolechat> We're completely lost these days with all those news
[07:30] <duflu> zorrolechat: Ubuntu 17.04 was completed before the news broke, so is still Unity7 by default with the Unity8 option available
[07:30] <duflu> The real changes will occur starting 17.10
[07:31] <zorrolechat> oh thanks
[07:32] <zorrolechat> so 17.10 will come with Wayland or Mir ?
[07:32] <zorrolechat> I just want to install something on a Kaby Lake processor (so probably kernel 4.10+)...that will support Mir / Wayland
[07:32] <zorrolechat> without needing to reinstall everything in a few months
[07:33] <duflu> zorrolechat: If you want to minimize reinstalls, it's a good idea to stick to long term releases (16.04, 18.04...)
[07:34] <zorrolechat> right....typing from a 16.04 mate install
[07:34] <zorrolechat> I see
[07:34] <duflu> RAOF: Did you know that changing modes to lower resolution keeps the old larger bounding rect? So the display buffer remains larger than the display
[07:34] <duflu> Such is mesa-kms
[07:37] <duflu> Oh, maybe it's just this branch
[11:22] <zzarr> I know that Unity 8 + convergence + phone is discontinued, but what happens to Mir?
[11:22] <ogra_> zzarr, the mir-kiosk snap will persist
[11:23] <ogra_> (no idea if any other aspects of mir will see any canonical side development ... but perhaps the community will pick up)
[11:24] <zzarr> ogra_, thanks
[11:25] <zzarr> I still have hope for convergence and phone/tablet, I just think that the time was not right
[11:33] <ogra_> the time was erfectly right ... see the galaxy S8 ... the adoption of manufacturers wasnt
[11:33] <ogra_> *perfectly
[11:44] <Son_Goku> you were too early :)
[11:44] <Son_Goku> fortune favors the bold, but it punishes the early
[11:48] <ogra_> well, we were showing it to them giving them ideas :)
[12:33] <zzarr> I saw the first computer with touchscreen that could be used as tablet about 5-10 years before they became common
[13:32] <zorrolechat> i think we need to sell our smartphones and buy dumb cell phones
[13:32] <zorrolechat> computers were made with keyboards
[13:32] <zorrolechat> to do text processing
[13:32] <zorrolechat> coding
[13:32] <zorrolechat> video editing
[13:32] <zorrolechat> smart phones are toys
[13:32] <zorrolechat> for teens
[13:32] <zorrolechat> ...
[13:33] <zorrolechat> I hate Android and iOS
[13:33] <zorrolechat> they're both fugly IMHO
[13:33] <zorrolechat> Blackberry was smarter and more secure
[13:35] <zorrolechat> As long as a phone can call, send texts, occasionally browse the webs or have a mail client it should be enough