[00:05] <eshwaa> hello, I was getting some help with network issues earlier. I have a 4 day fresh install on a new personal storage NAS. After a couple days of being left on I lost all network connectivity
[00:06] <eshwaa> What steps can I take to reset all network connections, aside from reinstalling the OS?
[00:08] <blackflow> eshwaa: you can use ifdown and ifup to reinitialize the network interface
[00:10] <eshwaa> Ah yes, I tried doing that but it didn't resolve the issue
[00:11] <blackflow> eshwaa: so how is this loss manifested? dns issues? routing? no ip address?
[00:12] <eshwaa> I'm not able to access anything in my network or external
[00:13] <blackflow> eshwaa: do you have an ip address?  ip addr show   will tell you
[00:15] <tripelb> blackflow, oops. the shasum256 is entirely wrong. boo
[00:16] <eshwaa> No, it doesn't look like it, blackflow
[00:18] <blackflow> eshwaa: is it dhcp or static configuration? is dhclient running?
[00:18] <blackflow> eshwaa: and btw, does "ip link show"  list your network interface? which one is it?
[00:19] <hazi121> blackflow you think its now allowing me to get some website info because of permissions ?
[00:19] <blackflow> hazi121: I have no idea
[00:21] <tripelb> blackflow, since 2 downloads have exactly the same hash I SUPPOSE IT IS OK. i HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE "CORRect hash" line is wrong. (aka good enough for me.)
[00:22] <blackflow> tripelb: not necessarily, could be corrupt file on the mirror. the shasum has to match the one in the digest file
[00:23] <eshwaa> Here is what I get with ip addr show https://pastebin.com/1vQC3EG7
[00:24] <blackflow> eshwaa: no carrier, is that thing plugged in?
[00:25] <eshwaa> Yeah, lights blinking on the machine and the modem
[00:29] <blackflow> eshwaa: well, sounds like hardware issue. you can check it additionally with "ethtool eno2"
[00:30] <blackflow> eshwaa: what chipset is that btw?
[00:30] <gregl> eshwaa, Reboot your router and modem and see if that don' clear it up..
[00:32] <eshwaa> intel 2011 with a supermicro board
[00:33] <hazi121> set getipq [http::data $ipq]
[00:33] <hazi121> what i need to get this working ? :)
[00:36] <blackflow> hazi121: better ask the developers of that plugin, or the eggdrop bot
[00:55] <nignog> hello
[01:00] <thatlizdude> so i got into Ubuntu, but after a while, I was looking at some articles, I found the different flavors, and I got a question - why would I have to reinstall my whole OS just to switch desktop environment? isn't there a better way?
[01:01] <bazhang> thatlizdude, no need, just apt install kubuntu-desktop etc and select from the login window
[01:01] <thatlizdude> oh cool
[01:01] <bazhang> thatlizdude, xubuntu lubuntu and a others as well
[01:01] <thatlizdude> and will that do the same thing as installing a different ISO?
[01:02] <bazhang> thatlizdude, you mean a fresh install entirely?
[01:02] <thatlizdude> i mean will this do the same trick as reinstalling the OS with different environment?
[01:02] <bazhang> thatlizdude, not really, there will be some overlap of vertain apps
[01:03] <thatlizdude> what do you mean overlap
[01:03] <bazhang> editors, irc clients, and so on
[01:03] <thatlizdude> so will that command also install these apps?
[01:03] <bazhang> ones that are native t kde xfce and so on
[01:04] <bazhang> yes
[01:04] <thatlizdude> so why's there so many ISOs when you could have one and go from there?
[01:04] <thatlizdude> just for a quick start?
[01:05] <bazhang> most people dont want to fresh install for every single dE out there
[01:06] <YankDownUnder> In some instances - having a single ISO, but wanting two completely different and conflicting "Desktop Environments" can be more cause for chaos (i.e., Gnome and KDE)
[01:07] <bazhang> k3b will run fine in gnome
[01:07] <bazhang> as will rhythmbox in kde
[01:08] <thatlizdude> oh i don't really need it, i was just wondering
[01:08] <bazhang> apart from limited hdd space, it's not really an issue
[01:08] <thatlizdude> if i really need to switch from the default Ubuntu, let me know :D
[01:09] <thatlizdude> i just liked the KDE environment on a picture, looking a bit more modern
[01:09] <bazhang> you could always virtual machine an iso for a test run of a pure kde
[01:09] <thatlizdude> but i guess i just need to get used to default Ubuntu
[01:10] <thatlizdude> yeah
[01:10] <YankDownUnder> ...now my WindowMaker feels "old"...(sobbing quietly) ;)
[01:10] <bazhang> if you dont like unity on default gnome, then install gnome-shell
[01:12] <thatlizdude> it's all right, i'll probably get used to it
[01:13] <eshwaa> Thanks for your help earlier, blackflow. It's embarrasing but after looking at the spec sheet for the motherboard, two lan ports weren't precut on the motherboard backplate. It doesn't explain why that port died so soon but the other lan port is working now.
[01:13] <thatlizdude> i really don't use it that much, mostly just for hosting a Discord bot :P
[01:23] <liam_> boi
[01:23] <Guest2308> what the fuck is this shit
[01:23] <edgy1> !ops Guest2308
[01:24] <Guest2308> w0t
[01:25] <Guest2308> fag
[01:25] <YankDownUnder> Guest2308: This is the #ubuntu support channel - supported by volunteers and hobbyists - what questions might you have?
[01:26] <edgy1> he left
[01:26] <YankDownUnder> Ah...well...at least I know my fingers can still type this morning. :)
[01:32] <thatlizdude> so we got Chromebooks in school, i don't know if some of you guys can help with that, but if i got some favorite games, is there a way to create like a DNS that points to a website? I don't have a great knowledge about these things...
[01:33] <thatlizdude> or would it be possible to just host a website with all the .swf games on it from Ubuntu?
[01:35] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Not easily...and I would tend to think that the school would be savvy enough to put the kybosh on "internal" stuff - as well as "proxies"...unless they're completely idiotic...which I highly doubt...
[01:38] <thatlizdude> YankDownUnder: well if you get the ip of totaljerkface site, it works. so the ip works, and the totaljerkface.com doesn't, so it's really not some high-tech system. but they blocked the ip, so i created a dynamic DNS at noip pointing to the ip address of totaljerkface.com, and it worked :D
[01:40] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Then you're doing fine. Personally, and especially making a living doing administration and consulting, I'd not offer anything in the realm of information because that goes directly against my code of ethics and code of conduct. I'm sure the school had you legally sign a document stating something about their networks/systems...so, going against that is literally breaking the law...but I digress...
[01:41] <thatlizdude> ah, nevermind then
[01:41] <thatlizdude> i'll just use the unblocked sites
[01:41] <thatlizdude> (that work so far :D)
[01:41] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: You've resolved the issue, so you should be happy for yourself.
[01:43] <thatlizdude> well i didn't come up with the idea
[01:43] <thatlizdude> someone just gave me the ip of the site, and i did some research on how this works
[01:43] <thatlizdude> i really don't know a lot about it :P
[01:43] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Not the point - you instituted the knowledge to achieve an objective. You gained the objective.
[01:44] <Linwood> good morning all
[01:44] <thatlizdude> oooh
[01:44] <thatlizdude> i guess so :D
[01:44] <thatlizdude> thanks for your time everyone for answering my questions!
[01:44] <YankDownUnder> thatlizdude: Different perspective, different opinion.
[01:52] <toastie> So im having sound issues on my zenbook 3, anyone have any expertise on ubuntu sound issues? or know where I can start digging? Im new to ubuntu on a laptop
[01:54] <YankDownUnder> toastie: Can you be more explicit in your description, please?
[01:55] <toastie> Yeah so i installed ubuntu 16 on an asus zenbook 3. The only things that don't work out of the box is the sound. On the built in speakers the sound is either on or off. And on headphones while volume control works, there is constant static noise in the headphones.
[01:56] <YankDownUnder> toastie: Something to read and follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[01:56] <toastie> when I run cat /proc/asonds/cards I get this
[01:56] <toastie>  0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[01:56] <toastie>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xef228000 irq 133
[01:56] <toastie> if that helps
[01:56] <YankDownUnder> toastie: Read through the link I posted...if it's not resolved from working through that, then we'll take the next step.
[01:57] <toastie> Thank you so much
[02:12] <percezione> Hi
[02:12] <percezione> Someone there?
[02:12] <EdgyEft> yes
[02:12] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu question percezione
[02:12] <EdgyEft> dont asque to asque just asque
[02:12] <EdgyEft> :)
[02:13] <percezione> lol sry
[02:13] <EdgyEft> np :)
[02:13] <percezione> I'm having difficulties using the column command
[02:13] <percezione> I saw some man pages where there is a parameter called -o
[02:13] <percezione> column -o
[02:13] <percezione> But my ubuntu doesn't have this parameter
[02:14] <percezione> And I need it to format some conky script output
[02:14] <percezione> =(
[02:15] <percezione> I need spaces between the columns, like: columns -t -o "      "
[02:17] <percezione> EdgyEft: Can you help me?
[02:17] <YankDownUnder> percezione: How's about this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/62948/conky-string-formatting
[02:18] <YankDownUnder> percezione: Kinda helpful information...is it safe to assume you've dug through the Conky forums/wikis and all that lovely jazz?
[02:18] <w9qbj> percezione: my man page shows -s for the seperator not -o
[02:19] <percezione> I'm looking into it YankDownUnder
[02:19] <YankDownUnder> percezione: Coolbeans, mate.
[02:19] <percezione> w9qbj: It's not the separator
[02:20] <percezione> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/column.1.html
[02:20] <percezione> OPTIONS         top
[02:20] <percezione>        -c, --output-width width
[02:20] <percezione>               Output is formatted to a width specified as number of
[02:20] <percezione>               characters. The original name of this option is --columns;
[02:20] <percezione>               this name deprecated since v2.30.
[02:20] <percezione>        -o, --output-separator string
[02:21] <cfhowlett> percezione, pro-tip: stop hitting <enter>.  and stop pasting webpages; just put the link here.
[02:21] <EdgyEft> the stupid bot muted him
[02:21] <percezione> Ops, sry!
[02:21] <percezione> Thanks
[02:21] <percezione> -o, --output-separator
[02:21] <EdgyEft> it automatically unmutes after a bit i think
[02:22] <w9qbj> percezione: what does percezione -h give.  Mine says to use -s
[02:22] <percezione> Specify the columns delimiter for table output (default is two
[02:22] <percezione>               spaces).
[02:24] <percezione> -s isn't working
[02:24] <w9qbj> percezione: whoops my last should have read  try column -h
[02:24] <percezione> I need to add spaces between two columns
[02:24] <percezione> column -t -s "        " doesn't work
[02:25] <w9qbj> what do you mean by "doesn't work"  tell us someting we can work on
[02:26] <percezione> the -s parameter doesn't create the spaces between the columns I need
[02:28] <funsolicited> #chan
[02:29] <percezione> Suppose I need format a text: column -t -s '|' text.txt
[02:29] <percezione> The output would be:
[02:30] <percezione> NAME           AGE
[02:30] <percezione> John 30
[02:30] <percezione> I need it to be:
[02:30] <percezione> John         30
[02:34] <w9qbj> perl might be a better (easier for me) with a printf statement - that way you have real control of the format.
[02:37] <falante> part
[02:42] <K-arch> i have a computer.
[02:42] <toastie> Hey its me again back with asus zenbook 3 sound issues
[02:43] <cfhowlett> toastie: thousands of people come through this channel daily.  do you seriously expect us to remember you?  assume we don't, state your issues in detail and in full.
[02:43] <toastie> Yeah I was typing more haha, should have put it in one sorry. So im pretty sure this is a situation where I'll need really specific configuration in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. Problem is the codec for my sound card is ALC295 and I cant find that anywhere
[02:43] <toastie> Does anyone know anything about installing settings for codecs that aren't in the official lists?
[02:45] <cfhowlett> toastie, sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras     will grab most
[02:45] <toastie> To give backstory, I just got through the sound troubleshooting process to no avail. and i'm pretty sure its the fact that that file isn't set up for my specific sound card
[02:45] <cfhowlett> in that case, codecs are irrelevant.   you have to get the set up done first
[02:47] <toastie> umm ok, so im running off this list. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html and my model isn't in there. Where would I start with getting it set up with my specific model? Im not new to linux but new to laptop hardware with linux.
[02:47] <K-arch> toastie: there is a kernel bug for that sound card ill post a link
[02:47] <K-arch> toastie: one sec i have to type it out lol 1 sec
[02:48] <cfhowlett> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1648183     for cracking and popping issues
[02:48] <cfhowlett> but not fixed as yet, toastie
[02:49]  * cfhowlett really, truly does not like RealTek hardware ...
[02:49] <K-arch> toastie: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189331
[02:50] <cfhowlett> toastie, curious: did you do a sound test during live boot?  if not, please do so
[02:51] <toastie> Good idea, i'll try that next. Yeah all these issues are basically exactly whats happening to me, different brand laptops but same sound card.
[02:52] <toastie> At the risk of sounding like an idiot, do we ever have any good guess on how long these fixes take to implement? Obviously i'll keep trying to fix it myself but...
[02:53] <cfhowlett> linux-hostile hardware?  replacement is likely the sanest option
[02:55] <cfhowlett> I've not done a sound card replacement on your model.  swapping parts on my dell m3800 is quite easy however.  Search the netz for your make/model official documentation.
[02:56] <toastie> Sound card replacement on this would probably be a nightmare. USB sound card could be an option. I do have 90 days to return the laptop I suppose
[02:57] <cfhowlett> do the live boot test first.  if that flies, this should be fixable.  you could replicate the functional alsa settings in your installed OS
[02:59] <K-arch> toastie: boot a live distro that has a newer kernel like antergos or something see if it works, then you'll know ubuntu will work in a year or two
[02:59] <thatlizdude> what IRC chat is your favorite/most popular?
[02:59] <thatlizdude> i mean client
[02:59] <Delphin>  anyone have a guide to installing Xen for Ubuntu 17.04?
[03:00] <K-arch> weechat
[03:00] <thatlizdude> i also heard of HexChat
[03:00] <toastie> K-arch ok so this is a kernel issue? So I should just grab whatever distro has the most up to date kernel to test?
[03:01] <cfhowlett> thatlizdude, hexchat is supported, recommended and works well.
[03:02] <K-arch> toastie: thats what i whould try to be honest with you, that hardware sounds ultra new...
[03:02] <thatlizdude> ok i'll use hexchat :D
[03:11] <K-arch> I bet ya they charge him $$$ to return that laptop restocking fee or something ...
[03:12] <funsolicited> hexchat is nice. all basic bases covered
[03:14] <cyrano> How can I run .jar files on Ubuntu MATE?
[03:14] <K-arch> funsolicited: I think thats what mint uses
[03:18] <toastie> Ubuntu 17 is using kernel version 4.10 right?
[03:19] <alucardromero-l> Yes
[03:19] <alucardromero-l> Whoops, sorry.
[03:20] <upen15> Is there a Jewish hub for Ubuntu users, or is Ubuntu an anti-semitic community?
[03:21] <cfhowlett> trolling is not welcome upen15.  stop it.
[03:21] <upen15> I tried joining #Ubuntu-Jews and it was not a channel
[03:21] <upen15> I've been automatically made the operator of that channel. I'm surprised that it's not a thing. How can you anti-semites live with yourselves?
[03:22] <cfhowlett> there is no such channel.  ubuntu doesn't segregate by religin
[03:22] <zhanx> wow troll much
[03:22] <upen15> Jews are not a religion, we're a group of people who have been highly discriminated against throughout history. This is another example.
[03:22] <Mont90> Don't feed the troll.
[03:22] <upen15> We're a race
[03:22] <upen15> and also a religion
[03:23] <upen15> Anti-semitism is a disease and I hope you realize it before it's too late. Hate has no place in the world.
[03:23] <upen15> Love, peace, and prosper my fellow friends.
[03:23] <upen15> G-d wants it to be like that, so let it be. Love will set you free.
[03:23] <zhanx> blah blah blah, take it to #politics this is not the place for it
[03:23] <toastie> 4chan is leaking
[03:23] <upen15> It is the place for it when you are using something that's discriminating against you.
[03:24] <cfhowlett> !ops | upen15 racist troll - ban requested
[03:24] <cfhowlett> for all sane users here: /ignore upen15 in your irc client will make him invisible to you.
[03:24] <phunyguy> HI
[03:24] <upen15> I feel deeply wronged by this kind of inconsiderate behavior.
[03:24] <cfhowlett> zhanx, do not engage trolls - report trolls to !ops
[03:24] <zhanx> added to ignore cfhowlett
[03:25] <upen15> Now you anti-semites are calling me a troll. How convenient. Why are you anti-semitic?
[03:25] <zhanx> easier way to deal with it
[03:25] <cfhowlett> let's move on then: any ubuntu suport questions here?
[03:25] <dax> upen15: That's enough.
[03:25] <upen15> I'm the "racist troll"
[03:25] <phunyguy> exactly.
[03:25] <zhanx> cfhowlett: maybe, sound issue. it goes up and down matter what i do
[03:25] <upen15> What have I said that was racist? I merely stated the fact that there isn't a Jewish community for Ubuntu
[03:25] <phunyguy> me wanders off
[03:25]  * phunyguy wanders off
[03:25] <zhanx> like a slow fade in and out
[03:25] <cfhowlett> zhanx, on live boot or form installed base
[03:26] <zhanx> 16.04 installed
[03:26] <cfhowlett> zhanx, and from streams or from mp3
[03:26] <toastie> Woo sounds issues lets make a new channel :D
[03:27] <zhanx> all sounds :D its weird never had this before but its my "new" dell studio laptop
[03:27] <toastie> zhanx: What sound card do you have?
[03:28] <toastie> I'm curious if its the same as mine (ive been working on sound issues all day)
[03:28] <zhanx> one sec
[03:28] <toastie> cat /proc/asound/car*/co* |  grep Codec
[03:29] <ahoneybun> \o/ got my nick back
[03:29] <zhanx> IDT 92HD73C1X5
[03:30] <toastie> Nope not the same as mine,
[03:31] <toastie> Well im rebooting now to see if the updated kernel in 17.04 makes a difference for my sound card woes
[03:31] <zhanx> switched to the first head phone port, and it seems to be working right
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:36] <ahoneybun> heyo lotuspsychje
[03:36] <Godot> good day all
[03:36] <Godot> LMAO
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> Godot: can we help you?
[03:36] <DAnickname> i need help!
[03:36] <Godot> uhh, not really
[03:36] <cfhowlett> !ask | DAnickname
[03:36] <Godot> just came to hang out
[03:36] <DAnickname> :)
[03:37] <Godot> I was banned from ##linux for no reason :-/
[03:37] <cfhowlett> Godot, support in this channel.  jibberjabber/chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:37] <DAnickname> i was trying to run a game outside steam with wine
[03:37] <DAnickname> and i get EAC error
[03:37] <Godot> thx
[03:37] <DAnickname> why does steam allow games to scan my memory
[03:37] <DAnickname> isnt that wrong ?
[03:38] <cfhowlett> !steam | DAnickname sounds like a question for the the steam channel
[03:38] <DAnickname> how can i bypass EAC ?
[03:41] <Ilc> hello everyone
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> Ilc: welcome, what can we do for you?
[03:43] <Ilc> how to show other language on ssh or tty
[03:43] <XMG> Does anyone know which type of encoding this is:  00000000  5d c9 4a 4a 42 42 42 42 42 41 1b 2d 37 65 30 27 ?
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> XMG: looks like hex, perhaps ask in ##programming?
[03:44] <zhanx> looks like hex
[03:44] <DAnickname> its in an assembly file ?
[03:44] <DAnickname> :\
[03:45] <XMG> no raw
[03:47] <StumpDumb> good evening
[03:48] <cfhowlett> StumpDumb, perhaps in your corner of the globe.  how about "greetings".  ask your ubuntu questions?
[03:48] <StumpDumb> Very Good.....With Kodi/MythTVI keep getting a Connection Failed error
[03:49] <StumpDumb> No response from MythTV backend
[03:49] <StumpDumb>  have tried various IP addresses and localhost to no avail
[03:50] <StumpDumb> Ive tried #Kodi and #mythtv-users IRs but nobody home
[03:51] <StumpDumb> ops IRC channels no response
[03:54] <elky> StumpDumb: i don't know, but please be patient and someone will answer when/if they know
[03:55] <hanasaki> what is there besides privoxy and dansguardian ?  what do you prefer and why and which projects are active?
[03:58] <Herbalist> stump .. i also tried mythTV but i gave up
[03:58] <Herbalist> i could get it to work
[03:58] <Herbalist> couldn't
[03:59] <toastie> So with linux patches, I found a patch for kernel version 4.5 that would fix an issue i'm having. Is that patch included in all later versions of the kernel by default? Or is there a chance that the patch wouldn't be in 4.10?
[03:59] <mikhael_k33hl> Anyone using Ubuntu Budgie? Have you tried playing OpenArena with it? OpenArena closes when I try to connect to the game. Anyone experienced the same problem?
[03:59] <StumpDumb> yep not very user friendly.....It seams the documentation is vague
[04:00] <cfhowlett> mikhael_k33hl, you could try starting it from the command line and noting the error messages it returns
[04:01] <Herbalist> yeah .. now i only watch Exodus and Phoenix mostly
[04:02] <StumpDumb> thats sad....it has such great potential
[04:03] <PugaBear> why would swapping the position of my monitors break minecraft? http://paste.bn-mc.net/migih.pas
[04:04] <PugaBear> ubuntu 16.04.2
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> StumpDumb: to get your issue solved, re-ask in the channel with all your details, steps taken once in a while so others can help
[04:04] <mikhael_k33hl> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24411746/
[04:04] <cfhowlett> PugaBear, should not.  I'm going to guess that there's a video connection issue
[04:04] <mikhael_k33hl> cfhowlett: It seems the only error is forcefully unloading cgame vm
[04:05] <tobbol72> hello
[04:05] <cfhowlett> mikhael_k33hl, great query for the openarena team.  share this paste there
[04:05] <cfhowlett> tobbol72, greetings.  please ask your ubuntu query
[04:06] <PugaBear> cfhowlett, suggestions for fix?
[04:06] <StumpDumb> I'm on #mythtv-users IRC and nobody's responded....I'll try again;-)
[04:07] <cfhowlett> PugaBear, if it's a connection error, make sure your video plug is secure both at the monitory and the computer side.  try a different video cable?
[04:14] <PugaBear> yeah, looks like one of the coords is the issue
[04:46] <bored> SO quiet...
[04:46] <cfhowlett> chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:47] <YankDownUnder> Perception is everything.
[04:49] <toastie> linux is everything
[04:49] <cfhowlett> everything is everything
[04:49] <zhanx> toastie: that fix the sound issue?
[04:50] <darkzek> Any idea how to make Ubuntu Server 16.04 auto login?
[04:50] <Custodian_Carl> I upgraded to 17.04 and my wifi is functional and acting well but my Ethernet device isn't detected, has anyone else had that issue?
[04:50] <darkzek> Its on a vm so it really does not need a password
[04:50] <toastie> ummm no, for my specific sound card there was a patch submitted to kernel 4.5 but it didn't actually fix the problem. So I submitted a new bug for the kernel devs
[04:50] <YankDownUnder> darkzek: Why would anyone wish to have a server do "autologin"?
[04:50] <zhanx> toastie: i might try the upgrade to see if it fixes mine
[04:51] <cfhowlett> toastie, did you sound test a live boot?
[04:51] <toastie> With some google digging you should be able to tell before hand.
[04:51] <darkzek> Its in a vm with no ports open to the world. Just like a test server.
[04:51] <darkzek> YankDownUnder
[04:51] <toastie> Yeah I live booted a distro with kernel 4.4 and 4.10, same issue
[04:51] <zhanx> full volume down to low and back up again sucks
[04:51] <cfhowlett> darkzek, #ubuntu-server  would tell you more
[04:52] <darkzek> cfhowlette Ok, thankyou. I'll take a look there
[04:52] <darkzek> :)
[04:52] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[04:52] <YankDownUnder> darkzek: Ok...well, you COULD install a "display manager" - like lightdm or xdm - and have either of those perform an "autologin" - otherwise, since the server is NOT setup for graphical usage, it's basically "login when it's done starting up" - if all of that makes sense...
[04:53] <kang0> Anyone can help me for mint installation?
[04:54] <kang0> In my new laptop
[04:54] <cfhowlett> kang0, not here.  sorry.  use mint support for mint issues.  This is ubuntu only
[04:54] <cfhowlett> !mint | kang0
[04:55] <darkzek> YankDownUnder Yeah I was hoping not to have to do that to keep resources free for actual computing instead of a dm.
[04:55] <toastie> I really hope this sound card gets supported soon, or I figured out a way around it, I really like this laptop
[04:56] <YankDownUnder> darkzek: I'm in #ubuntu-server...
[04:57] <zhanx> toastie: i like this used laptop also, but its not gonna be a media server now i think
[04:58] <cfhowlett> question: how to identify the package the a specific command is part of?  e.g. dd is part of ?
[04:59] <toastie> zhanx: yeah I can listen to music from my phone. I bought this for a portable development environment
[04:59] <zhanx> toastie: i use my tablet that
[04:59] <zhanx> but thats off topic
[05:00] <toastie> cfhowlett: is dd a part of "Basic operations"?
[05:00] <toastie> cfhowlett: When I check the info page for dd, one step up the tree is basic operations
[05:01] <cfhowlett> toastie, it's part of coreutils.  My query is how to identify the package that commands are part of.
[05:03] <bored> cfhowlett: Do you mean shared libraries?
[05:04] <cfhowlett> bored ... I was hoping there was some kind of *nix command that would list the structure of the package, e.g.       "DD is part of the Coreutils package"
[05:05] <bored> haha, forgot my nick is bored.
[05:06] <strive> Not sure about that.
[05:06] <strive> cfhowlett: You could run: which dd
[05:07] <strive> cfhowlett: Then, run: ldd (path_from_which)
[05:07] <cfhowlett> trying now
[05:07] <strive> OR
[05:07] <strive> crane: ldd $(which dd)
[05:07] <strive> woops
[05:07] <strive> cfhowlett: ldd $(which dd)
[05:11] <cfhowlett> that does list the libraries.  I was looking for a higher level listing.
[05:12] <cfhowlett> for example: I have ffmpeg on board but I don't know which package it installed with.  Should I be looking for the .deb?  I'll search packages.ubuntu.com for more
[05:13] <strive> cfhowlett: Ohh, I think that's a dpkg command.
[05:13] <cfhowlett> dpkg -l | grep perhaps.  will try
[05:14] <strive> use grep -i.
[05:14] <grendal_prime> is there an easy way to hide a username from the graphical greater?  For whatever reason in 16.04 it likes to display the libvirt users
[05:14] <cfhowlett> grendal_prime, so hide ALL or just some?
[05:15] <grendal_prime> just that one user
[05:16] <grendal_prime> its werid that it shows up.
[05:16] <grendal_prime> i thought it was supposed to be a system account.
[05:16] <grendal_prime> like less than 1000 and all that.
[05:16] <cfhowlett> yeah that does sound off.
[05:17] <grendal_prime> hmm this seems diff
[05:17] <grendal_prime> libvirt-qemu:x:64055:130:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[05:17] <grendal_prime> libvirt-dnsmasq:x:123:131:Libvirt Dnsmasq,,,:/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq:/bin/false
[05:18] <cfhowlett> way over my head, grendal_prime
[05:18] <grendal_prime> ive never seen that second one before
[05:18] <grendal_prime> grrr
[05:18] <grendal_prime> new toughbook, trying to get it into the field tomorrow...litterally into the field
[05:19] <grendal_prime> probbly NOT going to need virtualization...off the getgo...but never hurts to have it onboard
[05:20] <strive> grendal_prime: I personally get rid of stuff I don't on my system.
[05:21] <grendal_prime> right, unfortunatly there are really crappy systems that have to have some sort of windows os on there because of perpritary protocols,  and in those cases i virutualize on top of my kick ass ubuntu toughbooks.
[05:22] <strive> grendal_prime: Have you tried dual-booting?
[05:23] <grendal_prime> not an option, need a stable system underneath it all...sometimes...even the hardware i have to connect to...has no updated version for windows...so i need like 4 versions of it.
[05:23] <strive> grendal_prime: Sounds good.
[05:24] <grendal_prime> all the way back to 95, so while im using that..i still need a real desktop to comm with the rest of the up to date world.
[05:24] <grendal_prime> kvm works very well for this sort of situation.
[05:24] <grendal_prime> booting back and forth just does not cut it.
[05:25] <strive> grendal_prime: I hear ya.
[05:25] <grendal_prime> not to mention the fact that i have to dumb down processors and whatnot.
[05:26] <cfhowlett> out of intrusive curiosity, what country are you working in, if I may ask?
[05:26] <grendal_prime> california
[05:26] <grendal_prime> sierra foothills
[05:27] <grendal_prime> (it is its own country believe it or not)
[05:27] <cfhowlett> :)
[05:27] <YankDownUnder> (California is a different country)(Born in Long Beach)
[05:28] <grendal_prime> duuuude
[05:28] <grendal_prime> you get married away to austrailia?
[05:29] <YankDownUnder> grendal_prime: Actually, met a redhead online in the mid-90's, moved here in 2000. She's gone, I'm not. :)
[05:30] <grendal_prime> we should project together, never been there ...have always been facinated with the place.  Im ifr certified and can fly complex aircraft.
[05:30] <grendal_prime> you buy the beer?
[05:32] <grendal_prime> also have vast experience with extreem condition approved hardware
[05:32] <YankDownUnder> Australia has cool planes...ahem...beer? I *used* to drink enough to put - quite literally - ANYONE under the table...but that's a no-go nowadays...no alcohol for this chappie. Oz is extreme in the extreme.
[05:32] <YankDownUnder> MEANWHILE, back at the station/ranch...
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> !ot | YankDownUnder
[05:33] <cfhowlett> only slightly off-topic, eh?
[05:33] <grendal_prime> ok were done
[05:33] <K-arch> is that a bot?
[05:34] <cfhowlett> !bot | K-arch,
[05:34] <K-arch> lol ok
[05:35] <grendal_prime> one more thing though (just because australia needs credit for this)  Your right YankDownUnder australia makes the GA8 airvan.  when i get an extra 300,000 it is going to be the first plane i buy. Its like a toyota sienna with wings.
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> "Hilux" ahem...
[05:35] <grendal_prime> and 6 hours of flight time.
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> We have Ubuntu here.
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> grendal_prime: stop offtopic please
[05:36] <grendal_prime> sorry done now
[05:36] <strive> I thought this is the off-topic channel....
[05:37] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-offtopic   >>>    strive
[05:38] <strive> lol
[05:39] <strive> but, but..there's ubuntu users in australia...
[05:39] <K-arch> I have a GAB airvan and I'm trying to install Ubuntu on it can anyone help, do I leave the battery switch on while the CD in in the drive?
[05:50] <grendal_prime> K - arch
[05:52] <grendal_prime> sure just make sure to leave the entire panel off,  untell you clear prop and fire up, check your alternator output then put the ubuntu install disk into a loptop and smb share the content
[06:11] <geigerCounter> Hello! I am having a few problems with networking. For the main one, if I connect to a wired network with no internet connection and a wireless connection with an internet connection, my computer stops being able to access the internet. For another, whenever I roam out of wifi range, try to change networks, or close my laptop for too long the WPA supplicant crashes. Finally, I am also having problems with the
[06:11] <geigerCounter> Cinnamon desktop environment. Whenever I close the laptop or resume from a sleep - which is supposed to be disabled, but isn't - the Cinnamon taskbar is gone. Also, sometimes my desktop reverts to the default Unity wallpaper on login.
[06:13] <geigerCounter> The not being able to connect to the internet issue is especially pressing as I need to be able to access my local media server headlessly via ssh while keeping a download active.
[06:13] <geigerCounter> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> geigerCounter: updated to 16.04.2? wifi chipset?
[06:15] <geigerCounter> lotuspsychje: Wifi chipset Centrino Advanced-N 6200
[06:15] <geigerCounter> I'm not sure if I've updated to 16.04.2
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> geigerCounter: lsb_release -a
[06:15] <geigerCounter> Yes.
[06:16] <geigerCounter> It says Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[06:16] <alkisg> geigerCounter: that wired internet has a route, which is preferred over the wifi one. If you don't want to use that route because it's broken, click "only use that connection for local resources" in network-manager; or configure your router to not send a gateway
[06:16] <geigerCounter> Ah.
[06:16] <geigerCounter> Command not found for network-manager.
[06:17] <alkisg> Use the network applet in the panel
[06:17] <geigerCounter> Wait, yeah.
[06:17] <geigerCounter> I found it.
[06:17] <alkisg> Edit connetions, go to connection properties, then ipv4 etc
[06:17] <JazzMan> oi sou novo aqui
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> !es | JazzMan
[06:17] <geigerCounter> Should I turn off automatic routes as well?
[06:17] <alkisg> No need
[06:18] <geigerCounter> Thank you kindly.
[06:18] <alkisg> np
[06:19] <geigerCounter> While I'm here, any idea on what's causing the WPA_supplicant to fail on roaming/switching networks?
[06:19]  * alkisg only knew the answer for the first problem there :) Wait for others.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> geigerCounter: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog while you playing with network, it might show you usefull errors
[06:20] <geigerCounter> Hmm. Is there a tool for port and IP scanning already installed with Ubuntu or one in the apt repo?
[06:20] <geigerCounter> lotuspsychje: Okay, I'll try that. Right now I'm trying to let this download go through first.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> !info nmap | geigerCounter
[06:21] <geigerCounter> Thank you. :)
[06:21] <geigerCounter> Is the Cinnamon desktop under support from this channel?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> geigerCounter: if its being added with ppa, we cant officially support ppa's
[06:23] <inflex> Anyone experiencing hard lockups on U17.04 when they didn't have any trouble on U16.10 ?  Intel G3420, 12GB RAM, 1TB + 2TB HDD; used every day the last 12 months, and now only started locking since migrating to 17.04. X remains up, clock, mouse, keyboard all dead/stalled
[06:23] <geigerCounter> I forgot if I installed it with a ppa or no.
[06:24] <geigerCounter> How would I check that?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !sources | geigerCounter
[06:30] <Linuxgeek311> Hello
[06:38] <geigerCounter> I just checked, and I did install Cinnamon from the official repos. So if anyone could offer any help with that, that would be quite appreciated. :)
[06:59] <amd64> guys, anyone else with a weird dns issue on ubuntu 17.04 ?
[07:03] <YankDownUnder> amd64: What's the haps?
[07:03] <amd64> apparently NetworkManager is broken, something with dns resolving and nameserver 127.0.0.53
[07:06] <YankDownUnder> amd64: Have you taken a look at all the configs for your networking? As in /etc/network/interfaces -> and all the associated jazz?
[07:07] <AlbertJB> Hello, sorry to bother you, I have an external HD, HPFS/NTFS formatted, it works fine on Ubuntu, but when I plug it in on Windows 7, it show a RAW partition, could you explain me why? I know it's not a stricted Ubuntu question, but I don't know where to ask
[07:07] <Bashing-om> amd64: See: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358660 ' maybe ??
[07:08] <amd64> YankDownUnder, Bashing-om: yes these sorts of fixes
[07:08] <amd64> i'm trying them out now
[07:09] <YankDownUnder> amd64: Coolbeans - good luck, bro.
[07:10] <AlbertJB> nobody?
[07:10] <AlbertJB> :(
[07:11] <YankDownUnder> AlbertJB: Sorry?
[07:11] <AlbertJB> I asked a question above
[07:11] <amd64> AlbertJB: maybe it is formatted as ext3/4 or other linux-specific
[07:11] <AlbertJB> no no, it's NTFS sure
[07:12] <Ben64> AlbertJB: maybe ask in ##windows ?
[07:12] <YankDownUnder> AlbertJB: Ah...right...quite possibly Win7 isn't recognising it because of the MBT...the partitioning layout as well...
[07:15] <Stinky_Feet> AlbertJB: ...or perhaps it doesn't like the absence of "System Volume Information"?
[07:16] <AlbertJB> wait, I'll put an image of it
[07:17] <AlbertJB> http://imgur.com/a/A9x2l
[07:17] <AlbertJB> this is how the HD is configured
[07:20] <Ben64> AlbertJB: well there you go, it's encrypted
[07:20] <geigerCounter> Is it still possible to acquire an Ubuntu minimal/server install iso?
[07:20] <AlbertJB> so it's the only fact why W7 does not recognized it?
[07:20] <Ben64> geigerCounter: ubuntu.com has server iso
[07:20] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: On the website, yes.
[07:21] <geigerCounter> Okay.
[07:21] <AlbertJB> Ben64, so if it's encrypted, I would expect that W7 ask me the password
[07:21] <AlbertJB> ...
[07:22] <geigerCounter> Is weston stable enough to use?
[07:22] <Ben64> AlbertJB: sure except windows doesn't support that
[07:22] <Ben64> geigerCounter: what is that
[07:22] <AlbertJB> LUKS
[07:22] <AlbertJB>  ok thanks for the answer
[07:22] <geigerCounter> Ben64: Wayland compositor compatible with Xwayland.
[07:23] <Ben64> oh, it should be
[07:23] <geigerCounter> I'm wanting to do a complete reinstall of my old laptop to convert it into a media server, but I still have a few functions where it'd be preferable to have a graphical display.
[07:24] <geigerCounter> Or required outright, even.
[07:24] <geigerCounter> And I'd rather not do it through X11 itself.
[07:24] <Ben64> geigerCounter: laptops don't make good servers
[07:24] <geigerCounter> Ben64: Why's that?
[07:25] <Ben64> they aren't meant to be on 24/7, heat issues, slow, etc
[07:25]  * YankDownUnder looks at the Ubuntu server sitting in the corner running on an ancient HP laptop
[07:25] <YankDownUnder> Um...yeah.
[07:25] <geigerCounter> Mmm, the heat issue is the main thing that would be an issue, that's why I'm asking for advice and looking to cut out things that'd be less than ideal.
[07:26] <geigerCounter> It should be possible to run fairly cold most of the time, especially if I can figure out boot-on-LAN
[07:27] <Stinky_Feet> AlbertJB: Perhaps this might be of interest: https://github.com/t-d-k/LibreCrypt
[07:27] <geigerCounter> As per being slow, the computer was high-end for its day and has a quad-core i3 that I do believe is clocked at 2.8GHz
[07:28] <Ben64> lol
[07:28] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: The little HP that sits in the corner - which has a 4tb and a 6tb attached to it - runs quite "cool". I can't cook an egg on it, that's for sure. Never has an issue. I blow the dust out of the fans every few months. It sits and does it's job - file server and imap server (and sniffer)
[07:28] <geigerCounter> Which is why it overheats so very much all the time. ( It's "just powered on and nothing else" temp is 50 degrees Celsius, if you do literally anything it goes up to 80 )
[07:29] <geigerCounter> But underclocking it might work.
[07:29] <Ben64> it doesn't overheat because it's so awesome, it overheats because it's crap
[07:30] <geigerCounter> Ben64: I know this. The fan is anemic, the heatsink is pathetic, and it's way overclocked for the size of the laptop, the fan vents are too small because it's allegedly "form-factor" and the battery gives me anxiety.
[07:30] <OS-28399> Hey, does anyone know how to RDP from macOS to Ubuntu?
[07:31] <OS-28399> I just installed xrdp on ubuntu and started it
[07:31] <Ben64> geigerCounter: sounds like a horrible server
[07:31] <Ben64> OS-28399: find an rdp client for mac
[07:31] <YankDownUnder> OS-28399: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/microsoft-remote-desktop/id715768417?mt=12
[07:31] <OS-28399> YankDownUnder just installed that
[07:31] <OS-28399> when connecting I just get a black screen
[07:32] <OS-28399> UBUNTU is in a VM with an ip adress that I can ping from osx
[07:32] <YankDownUnder> OS-28399: Double check the server (the Ubuntu machine)
[07:32] <geigerCounter> Ben64: I also am living off of a disability check, so I really can't afford a "proper" server...
[07:32] <YankDownUnder> OS-28399: Works fine here (in a VM, out of a VM and etc)
[07:32] <Ben64> geigerCounter: $5 raspberry pi zero w would be better
[07:33] <geigerCounter> Ben64: Would it?
[07:33] <Ben64> yep
[07:34] <geigerCounter> Ben64: But I mean, I literally don't have that much disposable income even. I have a desktop PC that might be preferable, but the harddrives in it are terrible.
[07:34] <geigerCounter> And the main thing is all my media is already on this laptop's hdd.
[07:34] <Ben64> desktop hdd is going to be better than the laptop's too
[07:35] <geigerCounter> No they really aren't.
[07:35] <Ben64> they are
[07:35] <geigerCounter> They were salvaged from an HP that's probably 20 years old now.
[07:35] <geigerCounter> They're like 40 and 80 GB each.
[07:35] <geigerCounter> :Y
[07:36] <Ben64> well good luck with that mess
[07:36] <geigerCounter> I have no money at all.
[07:36] <YankDownUnder> There was a time where I'd think that was "the dream"...wow...long ago...
[07:37] <AlbertJB> thanks Stinky_Feet
[07:38] <geigerCounter> Is there a cashless way to mount a laptop hdd in a desktop?
[07:38] <geigerCounter> Cos that might actually be better...
[07:38] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Yes...two screws. Very "cashless"
[07:39] <geigerCounter> I think that my laptop hdd might be too physically small
[07:39] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: It's going to be a 2.5" drive - you can use one or two screws to secure it in the desktop 5.25" bay...easy done, easy peasey.
[07:40] <geigerCounter> Also, does anybody want to buy a laptop with no hdd, a broken wifi card, no backplate, no screen and a dead usb port? Ethernet, the other three usb ports, and the disc drive work and it holds a charge for 2-4 hours
[07:40] <geigerCounter> Also, the O key is broken.
[07:41] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Those are the kinds of things I donate to the local "wanna-be computer shop" for parts...hmm...
[07:41] <geigerCounter> We don't have one of those.
[07:42] <geigerCounter> I mean... I'm the local equivalent of this basically. I get everyone's crap because everyone who knows me knows I'll take it and have no money.
[07:42] <geigerCounter> But I mean, I don't want to keep it if I can't even use it for a server, but I don't want to get rid of it without getting some money out of it.
[07:42] <geigerCounter> Any amount.
[07:43] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Ah. Well. Since you can't donate it to yourself (you COULD, but that's a paradox) you could get creative and do "art" with the parts...
[07:43] <geigerCounter> Well I mean... hmm. I'll probably just use it for a thin client tbh.
[07:44] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Easy enough to create a PXE boot - or similar - and use it that way ....along with an external keyboard...and whatever...
[07:44] <geigerCounter> Right, right... I think I will.
[07:44] <geigerCounter> Mainly because my desktop is nice and cozy next to the living room TV.
[07:45] <geigerCounter> Question, is there a way to forward USB events over network?
[07:45] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Here, where I'm at - there's more than enough folks that can literally make ANYTHING work...but that's a different story. Personally, I use anything and everything that is functional - in some way...headless or full on...
[07:45] <YankDownUnder> geigerCounter: Not sure about that...hmm..
[07:47] <geigerCounter> Actually, that may not even be necessary. Just brew up a minimal Linux install to netboot and use only network shares...
[07:47] <geigerCounter> I'll have to go look into PXE.
[07:49] <geigerCounter> The only device I would even need to forward is my USB MIDI keyboard and I could possibly just include the apps I use with it as part of the netboot.
[07:49] <geigerCounter> Most everything else I do I'd do on another device or in a terminal or over X forwarding.
[08:12] <cyrano> How can I change the password for my login?
[08:13] <akik> cyrano: use the passwd command
[08:13] <k1l> cyrano: why not use the systemsettings?
[08:14] <scope> is anyone familiar with RVM ROR and allowing bash to run when i open a terminal. currently when i run rails nnew app i get error rails not installed but after entering sources /etc/profile works a treat
[08:15] <scope> i forgot if i add to ~/.bashrc or to ~/.bash_profile
[08:23] <sebsebseb> hi
[08:25] <Kiyoshiakira> Anyone have a way to install Origin via Wine on Ubuntu?
[08:25] <Kiyoshiakira> I just can't get it to work. I double click and it hangs.
[08:25] <sebsebseb> Kiyoshiakira:  what's origin ?
[08:25] <Ben64> !wine | Kiyoshiakira
[08:29] <Kiyoshiakira> !AppDB
[08:30] <Anon2018> hello, I am trying Ubuntu Budgie now. It is quite fast to boot and to operate. Is it significantly different than other flavors of Ubuntu?
[08:30] <Stinky_Feet> Kiyoshiakira: Have you seen this? https://www.pcsteps.com/5110-install-origin-linux-mint-ubuntu-wine/
[08:31] <Ben64> Anon2018: no
[08:31] <Anon2018> I am using Ubuntu Budgie 17.04 now.
[08:31] <k1l> Anon2018: they share the same base system.
[08:32] <Anon2018> ok.
[08:32] <Anon2018> how is Budgie DE as compared to Lxde and Xfce?
[08:33] <k1l> Anon2018: see if it works for you. comparing is difficult. budgie is based on the gnome3 environment. xfce and lxde use other environments
[08:34] <Anon2018> can 32 bit edition of Ubuntu Budgie used on old machines? I have one that runs on Celeron M single core 1.5 Ghz cpu and 2 GBs of RAM and 40 GBs hdd.
[08:34] <Kiyoshiakira> I can't seem to install Gecko I don't get the notification
[08:34] <k1l> Anon2018: i dont know. for old 32bit only machines i strongly suggest lubuntu
[08:34] <Anon2018> is Budgie heavier than Xfce?
[08:34] <Anon2018> ok.
[08:35] <Anon2018> I have installed Lubuntu 17.04 on it now.
[08:35] <Anon2018> that old laptop came preinstalled with WinXP service pack 2.
[08:35] <Anon2018> It is so amazing that even such an ancient laptop works with Lubuntu.
[08:35] <k1l> Anon2018: install budgie and test it if it is working for you and your machine
[08:37] <Anon2018> Lubuntu 17.04 doesn't consume even 1 GBs or RAM of that 2 GBs available. But, it is the cpu usage that shoots up to 100 % when I start using some packages.
[08:37] <Anon2018> like firefox.
[08:38] <Anon2018> and the laptop heats up quite quickly.
[08:38] <k1l> yes, that is the issue with that old machines. the cpus are rubbish.
[08:38] <Anon2018> can anything be done for this?
[08:38] <Kiyoshiakira> Puppy Linux
[08:38] <Crysp> guys whats a great all in one os for web/soft dev you'd recommend? akin to kali linux for netsec.
[08:38] <Kiyoshiakira> xubuntu
[08:38] <Ben64> nope, there's no getting around an old cpu
[08:39] <Ben64> Crysp: well you're in #ubuntu so .... Ubuntu
[08:39] <Anon2018> but, Puppy linux is older than Lubuntu.
[08:39] <k1l> if it was a slow CPU back then, its not getting better with age. as a rule of thumb: a dualcore cpu that is 64bit is still enough of usual office usage today. older cpus are just painfully slow
[08:39] <Anon2018> I like Lubuntu a lot.
[08:39] <sebsebseb> Kiyoshiakira: gecko as in the Mozilla web rendering engine ?
[08:39] <k1l> Crysp: use ubuntu (since you ask in #ubuntu :) )
[08:40] <sebsebseb> Kiyoshiakira: you could try play on linux for example,  or  there's something else wine bbased to i think
[08:40] <Anon2018> moreove the latest Lubuntu that is 17.04 works perfectly with even such an old laptop. Except for that cpu usage.
[08:40] <sebsebseb> Kiyoshiakira: probably need to do some configuring work yourself either way, to get your program working, if it can work in wine
[08:40] <Crysp> @Ben64 well yeah lol, but I'm wondering if there are other distros with packaged tools specific for web/soft dev
[08:40] <Crysp> Ben64: ^
[08:40] <Ben64> Crysp: again, you're asking in #ubuntu ... don't expect a different answer
[08:40] <k1l> Crysp: then ask in ##linux
[08:41] <Crysp> k1l: ah okay (Y)
[08:42] <k1l> Crysp: and a lot of developers are fine with working on ubuntu. i dont know what you think you cant do with it. just because its not preinstalled but its installable from the repos should not be a blocker for someone calling himself a developer
[08:42] <jojero> yep its easy in ubuntu or linux mint
[08:42] <jojero> but I have a question
[08:42] <jojero> how to shift to nvidia? xD
[08:42] <Anon2018> is there any tool in Lubuntu repositories to optimize cpu usage?
[08:42] <jojero> in fedora they ask me to use optimus
[08:42] <Ben64> jojero: uh... what os are you using now
[08:43] <jojero> ubuntu
[08:43] <Ben64> Anon2018: there's nothing you can do
[08:43] <k1l> jojero: install the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repos. that will handle the nvidia optimus.
[08:43] <jojero> oh thats good to hear
[08:43] <k1l> Anon2018: yes, get a new cpu if your old cpu is too slow.
[08:43] <jojero> btw
[08:43] <jojero> I have 1 more prob
[08:43] <jojero> why this pc gets hotter than in windows 10
[08:43] <Crysp> k1l: i agree, but I was just wondering. sometimes it takes quite a lot of time to set up a good environment for dev (installing dependencies, tools, setting up workflows etc)
[08:43] <Anon2018> ok.
[08:44] <jojero> is this really hot?
[08:44] <jojero> my pc like cooking inside
[08:45] <jojero> kill what should I do?
[08:46] <aser> How do you install your Kali
[08:46] <ducasse> !kali | aser
[08:48] <k1l> jojero: make sure the latest bios is installed. then see if that laptop needs own drivers to support the fan better.
[08:49] <jojero> how to use thing like fpaste in ubuntu?
[08:50] <k1l> !pastebinit | jojero
[08:50] <OS-28399> !ops
[08:50] <jojero> thanks
[08:50] <OS-28399> Unity sucks - fix it
[08:51] <k1l> OS-28399: troll somewhere else.
[08:51] <OS-28399> Is it a troll if it's true?
[08:51] <jojero> ring. sometimes it takes quite a lot of time to set up a good environment for dev (installing dependencies, tools, setting up workflows etc)
[08:51] <jojero> its hot my pc is burning kill
[08:52] <jojero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24412705/
[08:52] <jojero> sorry wrong paste
[08:54] <Anon2018> sometimes my old laptop becomes so hot that I feel I can make an omlette on it.
[08:54] <k1l> jojero: 40°C is not high
[08:54] <jojero> wiw
[08:54] <jojero> 1.6 memorry usage
[08:54] <k1l> jojero: but install the nvidia drivers and see if it gets better
[08:54] <jojero> unity so high
[08:54] <jojero> ram consumption
[08:55] <jojero> I want xfce but it has a problem with google chrome xD
[08:55] <jojero> can I customize this unity?
[08:55] <Anon2018> even with such a lighter version of Ubuntu, like Lubuntu, the laptop gets so heated.
[08:56] <jojero> i mean the ram usage .. xD its high ..
[08:56] <k1l> Anon2018: yes
[08:56] <jojero> how I can hack anymore xD with only 2gb left
[08:57] <jojero> hacking in hackerone.com
[08:57] <jojero> - what is the use of swap btw?
[08:57] <k1l> Anon2018: its like you drive a 1912 car and argue now, that your powerless engine needs to be driven at full throttle to keep going on todays driving speeds.
[08:57] <MustaKrakish> jojero, none if you have adequate RAM
[08:58] <Anon2018> ok
[08:58] <mikecmpbll> how would one issue a USR1 signal to a systemd service process?
[08:58] <jojero> oh so its like ram?
[08:58] <Ben64> mikecmpbll: man kill
[08:59] <mikecmpbll> Ben64 : i don't know the pid though?
[08:59] <jojero> any developer here?
[08:59] <jojero> im from windows 10 anyways I have original copy of 10 but I left
[08:59] <mikecmpbll> i thought as i'm managing the service with systemd there'd be an easy way to send it a signal from systemctl or something.
[08:59] <Ben64> mikecmpbll: find the pid first i guess
[08:59] <MustaKrakish> jojero, Swap space in Linux is used when the amount of physical memory (RAM) is full
[09:00] <geigerCounter> Where do I need to go to ask for help about netbooting Ubuntu over PXE?
[09:00] <MustaKrakish> MustaKrakish, so like virtual memory
[09:00] <k1l> geigerCounter: describt the issue and see if people can help
[09:01] <jojero> can I move my launcher to the right?
[09:01] <jojero> of screen?
[09:01] <k1l> jojero: not on unity.
[09:01] <geigerCounter> I want to netboot a specially prepared Ubuntu 16.04 as a thin client from an Ubuntu server running TFTP over PXE.
[09:04] <ducasse> geigerCounter: there are some pages on the wiki
[09:04] <jojero> how do I get the latest eclipse ? xD
[09:04] <geigerCounter> ducasse: Yes, but I'm not sure I understand them.
[09:04] <pynki> jojero, downlaod it from the eclispe website,
[09:04] <jojero> oh not in repo?
[09:04] <Ben64> jojero: sudo apt-get install eclipse
[09:04] <pynki> !info eclipse | jojero
[09:04] <jojero> its old version
[09:05] <ducasse> !latest | jojero
[09:05] <jojero> :(
[09:05] <jojero> that bad
[09:05] <pynki> jojero, download the installer from the website, chmod +x installer_file_name, ./installer_file_name
[09:05] <jojero> ohh thanks ..
[09:05] <Ben64> thats the way you shouldn't do it
[09:05] <jojero> pynki ^_^
[09:05] <jojero> why? Ben64
[09:06] <Ben64> first best is ubuntu repository, 2nd try to find a good ppa
[09:06] <jojero> guys when Im in linux mint
[09:06] <geigerCounter> For instance, how would I roll an initrd.gz from a minimal Ubuntu install?
[09:06] <jojero> when I choose nvidia and intel its turn fall back mode lol
[09:06] <ducasse> jojero: we don't support mint
[09:06] <pynki> if he wants the latest one he has to go that way and no third party whatever...
[09:06] <jojero> maybe I forgot to install all of its update yet
[09:07] <jojero> oh yea I know I just share it ^_^
[09:07] <Ben64> jojero: it's not relevant at all...
[09:07] <jojero> yea .. but ubuntu and linux mint are the same?
[09:07] <Ben64> no
[09:07] <jojero> why?
[09:07] <jojero> they both debian
[09:07] <Ben64> no they aren't
[09:07] <pynki> jojero, starts with the name...
[09:08] <Ben64> debian is debian, ubuntu is ubuntu, mint is mint
[09:08] <jojero> hahaha lol
[09:08] <jojero> oh
[09:08] <jojero> they said ubuntu based on debian
[09:08] <Ben64> "based on" is not "is"
[09:08] <jojero> oh
[09:08] <Waheedi> i'm trying to build libboost 1.49 on ubuntu 16.04 and I'm having two targets failing. recipe for target 'build-stamp' and recipe for target 'clean'
[09:11] <mikecmpbll> woo, what i was after was: systemctl --user --signal=SIGUSR1 kill my-service
[09:12] <Ben64> mikecmpbll: cool, didn't know that was a thing
[09:12] <mikecmpbll> me neither ❤️. makes my life super easy.
[09:14] <Waheedi> trying to upload paste on paste.ubuntu getting The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[09:14] <Waheedi> maybe the paste is too heavy
[09:17] <Waheedi> how can I get lib boost 1.49 to build with trusty 16.04
[09:18] <Waheedi> getting two failed targets is not helping, not sure if ubuntu is the right place for the question
[09:19] <pynki> Waheedi, http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/more/getting_started/unix-variants.html
[09:20] <Waheedi> pynki: yes after I try that I get two targets failing
[09:20] <Waheedi> build-stamp and clean
[09:21] <pynki> Waheedi, you need things that are not in the header only part?
[09:22] <Waheedi> yes pynki
[09:22] <jojero> any developer here using linux?
[09:23] <jojero> if I develop out of eclipse app, will it work in windows?
[09:23] <jojero> a .jar file?
[09:23] <brunch875> jojero, java is cross-platform so yes
[09:23] <jojero> what if in mono?
[09:23] <brunch875> it should also work
[09:23] <jojero> oh thats good to here..
[09:23] <brunch875> I say *should* because there could be some exceptions
[09:23] <jojero> how about installing vstudio in wine?
[09:24] <brunch875> jojero, you can check out winehq for that
[09:24] <jojero> wait gonna restart my pc
[09:24] <jojero> thanks
[09:24] <brunch875> but it doesn't seem to fare off too well
[09:24] <brunch875> I wouldn't recommend vstudio anyway
[09:25] <brunch875> there's plenty of other alternatives more suited for ubuntu
[09:25] <pynki> Waheedi, without error mesages its hard to help. try another paste website if the ubuntu one does not work
[09:25] <Waheedi> alright pynki one sec
[09:27] <pynki> Waheedi, i assume 1.58 is no option?
[09:27] <Waheedi> thats right pynki
[09:27] <pynki> kk
[09:27] <Waheedi> there is about 3 custom built apps using lib boost 1.48
[09:27] <Waheedi> 1.49*
[09:28] <Waheedi> pynki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24412806/
[09:30] <Waheedi> pynki: the complete paste is around 53000 lines :|
[09:32] <gogeta> wake up
[09:34] <jojero> im back
[09:34] <pynki> Waheedi, tried to build it and ignore all warnings?
[09:35] <neure> hi
[09:35] <Waheedi> i think I did, but i
[09:35] <Waheedi> but i'm redoing it now pynki
[09:36] <neure> i updated from 16.04 to 16.10 and now i network adapters say "device not managed", and devices are not listed in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[09:36] <neure> any suggestions?
[09:36] <pynki> neure, have a static adapter config in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:37] <neure> pynki, i dont have much there
[09:37] <neure> i never edited it
[09:37] <neure> thereis plugins=, dns=, managed=
[09:37] <neure> plugins=ifupdown,keyfile,ofone, dns=dnsmasq, managed=true
[09:37] <neure> managed is in [ifupdown]
[09:37] <neure> others are in [main]
[09:37] <pynki> neunon, you see the adapter with ifconfig or a simialr tool?
[09:38] <pynki> --> is it there?
[09:39] <rociocabello> o
[09:40] <rociocabello> kiko
[09:40] <rociocabello> iyo
[09:40] <usuario>  hola?=
[09:40] <usuario> suididnfowf
[09:40] <rociocabello> kiko tioooo
[09:40] <pynki> Waheedi, in line 54 of your paste it tries to call bjam and in line 5/7 it says it cannot find it. directly after the call it marks clean as failed
[09:41] <k1l> rociocabello: usuario this is the technical support channel for ubuntu.
[09:42] <Waheedi> yes pynki
[09:42] <Waheedi> I'm rebuilding
[09:42] <ivan__> o
[09:42]  * jordila trying to replace windows with Ubuntu GNU Linux on a laptop ...
[09:42] <rociocabello> hola
[09:43] <bonsaitree> I have Wi-Fi speed problems in Ubuntu 16.04. The link acts like it's capped at 20 Mbit/s on Speedtests, but also the actual speed degradation is noticeable. There are frequent drops and link instability. How can i update the Wi-Fi drivers to the latest possible version?
[09:43] <jordila> hola rociocabella , pregunta... sin protocolos ;-)
[09:43] <jordila> ^ rociocabello (quise decir)
[09:44] <jordila> how do i make LiveUSB installer run when i'm not being given the chance to enter BIOS in order to change boot sequence ?
[09:44] <usuario> jordila vamos a hacer un examen
[09:44] <usuario> nos hemos conectado para ayudarnos
[09:44] <rociocabello> tenemos un examen de sistemas operativos
[09:44] <ducasse> usuario: stop that, please
[09:45] <rociocabello> nos puedes ayudar jordila
[09:45] <usuario> es un tema de linux
[09:45] <ducasse> !es
[09:45] <k1l> rociocabello: usuario english in here please
[09:45] <jordila> rociocabello ... no creo que este sea el lugar adecuado...
[09:45] <jordila> sino ... #ubuntu-es ... quizás ?
[09:46] <jordila> so... as i was trying to say, how do i make LiveUSB installer run when i'm not being given the chance to enter BIOS in order to change boot sequence ?
[09:46] <pynki> jordila, make the drive that is booted the dvd/cd/image
[09:47] <jordila> i don't get it pynki
[09:47]  * jordila has a LiveUSB stick , not able to boot on a Windows manchine, nor able to enter BIOS
[09:47] <pynki> jordila, you have a harddrive that gets booted i assume - just flash the ubuntu image to that harddriver with unetbootin or whatever
[09:48] <MustaKrakish> jordila, if you cannot boot into the BIOS LiveUSB is the last of your issues
[09:48] <pynki> you want to keep the windows???
[09:48] <jordila> pynki , i'm lost... i don't want to keep windows.
[09:49] <jordila> i'm just willing to perform a LiveUSB install... maybe some hidden keyboard combination to get into BIOS ? MustaKrakish
[09:49] <MustaKrakish> jordila, f8/9/10?
[09:49] <pynki> 2/12
[09:50] <jordila> let's try all of them ... guys
[09:50] <MustaKrakish> who is the manufacturer of the board?
[09:50] <neure> anyone know how to fix "device not managed"?
[09:50] <MustaKrakish> neure, wifi?
[09:50] <gewoonm> hi all! Currently running Ubuntu 14.04 with full-disk-encryption. I would like to clean-install to 17.04 without full-disk-encryption. I've backed up the necessary stuff already. I don't have a USB-key or DVD-drive. Can I reinstall in another way?
[09:50] <jordila> maybe some damned UEFI interferance ?
[09:50] <Waheedi> pynki: same thing after rebuilding ...failed updating 2 targets...
[09:50] <neure> MustaKrakish, nopes, vmware adapter
[09:51] <MustaKrakish> jordila, who is the manufacturer of the motherboard?
[09:51] <MustaKrakish> neure, can't help you there
[09:51] <neure> ok thanks, anyone else maybe?
[09:51] <jordila> this is a Toshiba Satellite laptop... umh...
[09:52] <MustaKrakish> jordila, F2
[09:52] <MustaKrakish> jordila, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=toshiba+satellite+boot+into+BIOS
[09:52] <jordila> MustraKrakish+
[09:52] <k1l> gewoonm: its most easy to get a 2gb usb pendrive. you still can use pxe boot or such, but that is a lot more effort
[09:53] <bonsaitree> I have Wi-Fi speed problems in Ubuntu 16.04. The link acts like it's capped at 20 Mbit/s on Speedtests, but also the actual speed degradation is noticeable. There are frequent drops and link instability. How can i update the Wi-Fi drivers to the latest possible version? I have to notice that the tech guy has just changed the ONT, the problem fixed at the other PCs at home, but on mine it remained the same. Thanks in advance
[09:54] <gewoonm> k1l: I figured the USB-pen-drive would be the easiest approach. But I can take a look at PXE boot also
[09:54] <jordila> nice picture MustaKrakish ... :-) F2 doesn't allow entering BIOS, nor any other Fx . What are we missing here ?
[09:54] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, moar info required > Wifi chip name/manufacturer
[09:55] <MustaKrakish> jordila, full model of notebook please
[09:55] <pynki> jordila, ESC? delete? insert?
[09:55] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:Intel Advanced-N 6200
[09:55] <Waheedi> pynki:  i managed to get a full paste now http://paste.ubuntu.com/24412874/
[09:56] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, intel should work fine out-of-the-box
[09:56] <jordila> guys, we are dealing with a Toshiba Satellite CL10-C-105
[09:56] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, do you have power throttling setup? like clocking down CPU etc?
[09:57] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:The thing is i've been deleting some bin files with root access (wanted to completely wipe Bluetooth functionality from the system), so it is possible that i have deleted something important. Where do i get the latest Intel Wi-Fi drivers?
[09:58] <pynki> jordila, smash F12 directly after pressing the power button
[09:58] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, new kernel?
[09:58] <jordila> got it
[09:58] <jordila> pynki+
[09:58] <jordila> i love #ubuntu
[09:59] <MustaKrakish> s/#ubuntu/google.com
[09:59] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:How do i do that?
[10:00] <ducasse> !mainline | bonsaitree
[10:01] <Waheedi> pynki: The Boost C++ Libraries were successfully built! :)
[10:01] <pynki> :)
[10:02] <Waheedi> i had to patch this file boost_1_49_0/libs/locale/src/icu/formatter.cpp
[10:03] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, when was the last time you updated?
[10:03] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, in future, don't just willy nilly remove bin files without knowing what they provide your system
[10:03] <pynki> bonsaitree, best way is to unplug the bluetooth adapter
[10:04] <bonsaitree> pynki:Yeah, but i wanted a faster way :D
[10:04] <pynki> bonsaitree, well, seeing you here let me assume that failed :D
[10:06] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:I will take that advice :D
[10:06] <pynki> bonsaitree, what wifi adapter do you have?
[10:07] <pynki> ohh got it, sry for not reading :/
[10:14] <_val_> hey everyone. Having an issue with preseed.cfg , lvm and auto partitioning: http://sprunge.us/LTTQ   What I actually want is sda1 /boot and sda2 with lvm / and /SWAP.
[10:14] <geigerCounter> What are some good alternatives to vdfuse for mounting virtual disk images in Ubuntu?
[10:21] <BlackVenom> Hey folks. I've just had a WD Red 4TB replaced under warranty as it failed. Is it possible it could have failed because I had set it up incorrectly?
[10:21] <_val_> and here is the layout. http://imgur.com/a/Xoypl  I've no idea why an extend partition is being created.
[10:23] <pynki> Blackvenom, you shake it? you heat it? You can alot of thigns to a HDD...
[10:23] <pynki> +do
[10:28] <BlackVenom> hah pynki. It worked fine for about a year and then went kaput
[10:28] <pynki> _val_, https://askubuntu.com/questions/850340/why-does-ubuntu-16-04-installation-create-an-extended-partition-besides-the-swap
[10:30] <blackflow> BlackVenom: that happens, check BackBlaze's statistics on drive failures, https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-benchmark-stats-2016/
[10:30] <pynki> BlackVenom, happens. its kind of a complicated machine - thinghs break.
[10:30] <k1l> blackflow: hardware fails. that is one reason to think about working backups.
[10:31] <BlackVenom> blackflow, pynki I get that things fail which is fine, its life. I just wondered if I could have help matters by incorrectly setting it up possibly
[10:31] <BlackVenom> there wasn't anything on it I couldn't loose
[10:32] <pynki> BlackVenom, on the "software" side of setup? or the hardware side of setup?
[10:32] <BlackVenom> software, setting partition types, formatting etc
[10:33] <blackflow> BlackVenom: no, software can only damage hardware if hardware is already faulty (eg faulty firmware) and it responds badly to a software command.
[10:33] <BlackVenom> thats good to know thanks
[10:34] <pynki> BlackVenom, no idea if there are filesystems that reduce the transfewrs from and to the harddrive - but that should be irrelevant. try to avaoid software that writes and reads all the time without a reason
[10:34] <BlackVenom> thanks. whats the best way to setup a 4TB drive using the cli?
[10:35] <blackflow> BlackVenom: parted for partitioning, then set up filesystems of choice.
[10:36] <pynki> !info gparted | BlackVenom if you like a gui
[10:36] <pynki> live usb already has it installed
[10:37] <BlackVenom> I'm going to try and give it a go from the CLI
[10:38] <blackflow> BlackVenom: have you ever done this before? Do you know what partitions you need at minimum?
[10:39] <BlackVenom> not really no. I was going to try and figure it out. It's purely a storage drive
[10:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:40] <blackflow> BlackVenom: well, if it's a storage drive you don't have any requirements. I'd recommend GPT partitioning, leave 1st megabyte empty (so start the first partition at 1MiB), that's it.
[10:41] <BlackVenom> I heard its best to use GPT as it's bigger than 2TB
[10:41] <BlackVenom> Why leave the first 1MB?
[10:43] <blackflow> BlackVenom: just in case, as that's the area for MBR, bios boot and similar metadata
[10:44] <blackflow> BlackVenom: and that way you ensure nice alignment of the first partition
[10:46] <blackflow> BlackVenom: and if you can spare it, shave off few (dozen) GB off the end side, just in case you'll need some extra space for emergencies.
[10:47] <BlackVenom> this is getting interesting
[10:47] <BlackVenom> What do you mean by emergencies
[10:49] <blackflow> BlackVenom: it's extra unused space that you can use at any time should you need it, for whatever reason.
[10:49] <BlackVenom> you mean to extend the partition if needed?
[10:50] <blackflow> BlackVenom: plus, it's a good rule of thumb not to use full disk, especially in raid situations, as not all vendors have the same number of sectors for the same proclaimed size, so having the effective partition a bit smaller allows easier migration/resync to another drive, should the need arise.
[10:50] <blackflow> BlackVenom: not extend but use it for something else
[10:52] <BlackVenom> thanks blackflow
[10:53] <blackflow> BlackVenom: you probably won't ever need all this for simple home storage drives, but it's a good practice that'll pay off should you ever need a more production oriented set up.
[10:53] <BlackVenom> I may use gparted now
[11:06] <wook_> does anyone know about what would cause firefox javascript errors even for the about:sessionrestore page? all the plugins are disabled and i still get these errors
[11:08] <blackflow> wook_: what errors?
[11:09] <wook_> i'd post the screenshot of the error i got but firefox is STILL not opened since i posted that message about 5 mins ago, still waiting
[11:10] <blackflow> wook_: if you can copy&paste the error text, use a pastebin
[11:12] <neure> found out the cause of my network issue
[11:12] <neure> https://askubuntu.com/questions/905033/wired-network-device-not-managed-after-upgrade-to-17-04
[11:12] <neure> "from NetworkManager 1.2.4 (ubuntu 16.10) all non-wifi/wwan device are treated as unmanaged"
[11:12] <neure> and "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" fixes
[11:12] <neure> weird
[11:12] <wook_> i will paste as soon as firefox is opened, i have a flurry of "sudo killall firefox" instances on my terminal :D
[11:13] <blackflow> wook_: you can save the errors in a file, then cat the file piping it to termbin, eg.    cat errors.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:14] <blackflow> wook_: post here the URL you get from that
[11:14] <deanman> does anyone have a tool to suggest for creating resources usage reports (CPU, memory, disk, etc.) for a given process ?
[11:16] <craptalk> hey guys, i wanna ask you guys, is it okay that i shrink root partition? cause i root partition swallow the whole size and i want to install windows 10 on it
[11:16] <craptalk> please clarify this
[11:16] <xmedi> Hi @ll ich bin neu.bei Ubuntu..   und  habe 1 problem seit dem ich von ubuntu 16.10 auf 17.04 aktualisiert habe  wird mir hier evtl. geholfen ?
[11:17] <tarzeau> xmedi: klar, frag einfach nur
[11:17] <blackflow> !de | xmedi
[11:17] <tarzeau> craptalk: should be okay, yes
[11:17] <craptalk> you sure?
[11:17] <craptalk> nothing would be corrupted?
[11:17] <tarzeau> craptalk: i did so many times
[11:17] <tarzeau> craptalk: if you fear lost, make a backup
[11:17] <craptalk> okay then thank you
[11:17] <craptalk> did you make before?
[11:18] <tarzeau> i did, and it was fine for me
[11:18] <craptalk> tarzeau, thank you so much
[11:18] <craptalk> this is so helping
[11:19] <wook_> blackflow: https://snag.gy/26wFJk.jpg
[11:19] <wook_> firefox is finally cooperating
[11:20] <wook_> and it's strange, it gives a link for chrome:// while firefox is having issues opening
[11:20] <blackflow> wook_: and if you click "stop script"? does it continue working normally?
[11:20] <wook_> sometimes
[11:20] <wook_> it does it sometimes and sometimes works perfectly, everytime works differently
[11:20] <blackflow> wook_: copy the profile directory somewhere and start firefox to have it create a fresh one
[11:21] <wook_> how to do that?
[11:21] <xmedi> Virtualbox  bringt  mir die fehler meldung und die VMs laufen nicht mehr. habe das ausgeführt    ..sudo  /sbin/vboxconfig   lief trotzdem nicht
[11:21] <blackflow> wook_: the profile directory is in ~/.mozilla/firefox/, a directory ending with ".default"
[11:21] <bazhang> xmedi, #ubuntu-de for german
[11:24] <blackflow> wook_: I meant "move" instead of copy, you have to remove it from ~/.mozilla/firefox/  but make sure you've backed it up as it contains your browsing history, stored data, extensions, everything
[11:25] <wook_> so where do i move it to?
[11:26] <blackflow> wook_: wherever :)
[11:26] <Guest63218> hello... I am using Ubuntu Budgie 17.04. Can I install and use Lubuntu Desktop on it?
[11:27] <Guest63218> would it cause any conflicts with the Budgie desktop?
[11:27] <wook_> so i then do what, open firefox again, and then copy and paste the contents of that directory back into whatever it creates again?
[11:27] <blackflow> wook_: I think you can even rename it into "oldprofile.backup" or whatever like that, instead of moving away
[11:27] <blackflow> wook_: no, the idea is to remove the current profile so that firefox creates a new one. if the problems stop, that means your old profile is contaminated somehow with something
[11:28] <wook_> how do profiles get contaminated?
[11:28] <wook_> firefox itself seems like a contaminate sometimes :D
[11:28] <Guest63218> hello.. plz help me..
[11:28] <k1l> Guest22425: should not conflict
[11:28] <pynki> blackflow, any reason not to start firefox with -p to handle the profile issues?
[11:29] <Guest63218> k1l, sure?
[11:29] <pynki> seems much more convinient for me
[11:29] <k1l> Guest63218: you can install several desktops on ubuntu and switch them on the login screen
[11:29] <wook_> pynki: so then go to terminal, type "firefox -p" then? and it should do the same thing?
[11:29] <blackflow> pynki: what does -p do? nothing in the help about it
[11:29] <Guest63218> k1l, several means? maximum, how many?
[11:30] <k1l> Guest63218: there is no maximum
[11:30] <Guest63218> I am asking specifically about Ubuntu Budgie.
[11:30] <k1l> Guest63218: i answered that already.
[11:30] <pynki> blackflow, -p should open the profile manager
[11:30] <blackflow> wook_: broken/faulty extensions, even if you disable them, they could've corrupted something else in the profile
[11:30] <blackflow> pynki: ah, --ProfileManager, I see it
[11:31] <Guest63218> k1l, thanks a lot. I'll install Lubuntu. I sometimes need a very lightweight DE. Lubuntu suits my needs.
[11:31] <blackflow> never used it, I traditionally just remove the profile when it starts doing that.
[11:31] <wook_> yeah it's strange, sometimes when i open firefox they start disabled, other times they look disabled, but still cause issues. even though i get javascript errors turning off flash seems to fix them. but then later i get similar errors again
[11:31] <Guest63218> thanks a lot. bye.
[11:31] <pynki> blackflow, me too. but its easier to create a new one for testing without deleting the old one
[11:33] <pynki> wook_, using something with flash in it is the first error :P start with a fresh profile and then go step by step installing addons - they might conflict with each other
[11:33] <Rumbles> hi, is there anything you need to do to reconfigure grub so that it will update on both sda snd sdb every time there is a kernel update?
[11:33] <pynki> had some issues with thunderbird and foxyproxy and another addon that conflicted even it had nothing to do with proxies whatsoever
[11:34] <Rumbles> I have /dev/sda1 configured as my boot partition but /dev/sd2 and /dev/sdb2 are a RAID 1 partition with my root partition. I wanted to have sda1 and sdb1 as a RAID 1 with /boot on it, but 14.04 barfed during install, so I just created 2 partitions and loaded grub on to one of them. But going forward I would want it reinstaling on both disks every time
[11:35] <Rumbles> is that possible or is it better to just convert /dev/sda1 and sdb1 in to a RAID1 partition now the server is setup
[11:36] <Fleuv> Hi my internet started timing out quiet a lot since i upgraded to 17.04, network-manager showed me this error a couple of times "systemd-resolved[0x55d77bba3c30]: Failed: Timeout was reached"
[11:36] <Fleuv> More I don't really know what to do.
[11:37] <blackflow> Rumbles: by "boot partition" do you mean bios_boot or space where you mount /boot ? Because if the latter, you can have that under raid1 without a problem.
[11:37] <Rumbles> Fleuv, that error is just showing that your DNS server timed out I think... that's probably not a cause but a symptom
[11:37] <Rumbles> I meant bios_boot
[11:37] <Rumbles> sorry blackflow
[11:38] <blackflow> Rumbles: you don't need to update that on every kernel update
[11:38] <blackflow> Rumbles: that only contains the grub bootloader itself, the kernel stuff goes to /boot
[11:38] <Rumbles> yeah but /boot is mounted from the boot partition isn't it?? (14.04)
[11:38] <blackflow> Rumbles: you'd have to manually "grub install" to each bios_boot partition only if something radically changes to the bootloader but I don't recall ever needed to do that after initial installation, or disk replacement
[11:38] <Fleuv> Rumbles, okay so something happened and my network timed out because of it.
[11:38] <blackflow> Rumbles: no, it's not
[11:39] <blackflow> Rumbles: you can have /boot on a mdadm raid1 partition just fine
[11:39] <blackflow> so every kernel update writes to /boot which is then mirrored with mdadm to all four disks
[11:39] <blackflow> sorry, both disks, I misread you had 4
[11:40] <Fleuv> This is so strange, now it takes like 1-2 minutes to load google.com while I have no problem sending a message.
[11:40] <Fleuv> here on irc
[11:40] <Rumbles> when I tried to install the boot partition on a RAID1 volume my install produced loads of errors, then I was stuck in a boot loop after completing the install ala: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1335642
[11:40] <blackflow> Fleuv: there seems to be quite a few problem reports wrt DNS on 17.04.
[11:41] <Fleuv> okay, better keep an eye on the updates
[11:42] <blackflow> Rumbles: that's an anomaly. there's otherwise nothing wrong with having /boot on a raid1 partition, I have it on many servers
[11:42] <Rumbles> ok, I thought I had done it previously....
[11:42] <blackflow> Fleuv: one workaround is to force a DNS server thorugh /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[11:42] <Rumbles> I guess I can just wipe the current bott partition and convert that in to a RAID1 and then install grub on that?
[11:42] <Rumbles> s/bott/boot/
[11:42] <blackflow> Rumbles: grub and kernel
[11:43] <blackflow> Rumbles: kernel first
[11:43] <Rumbles> ok
[11:43] <blackflow> because grub is looking into /boot to find kernels and initramfs in order to configure the grub.cfg
[11:43] <blackflow> so you first need a kernel and initramfs there
[11:48] <_val_> pynki: I don't want the extended partition.. but it creates automatically
[11:48] <_val_> and I can't find in the config where it is doing so.
[11:54] <pynki> _val_, this extended thing seems to come from the inherited debian installer - why its doing it seems to be lost in space - as the first answer says. dont know if you can change that somewhere
[12:00] <_val_> pynki: I got it working now but again this freaking config is creating /dev/ram0  and I didn't specify anywhere in the config
[12:01] <craptalk> why is it failed to make bootable disk using dd command? here is my command $:dd if=/path/to/iso-image of=/dev/sdX bs=2048 status=progress
[12:01] <_val_> up to /dev/ram15
[12:01] <craptalk> the file is copied but when i reboot, it wont go through the bootable disk
[12:01] <craptalk> did i missing something?
[12:01] <Browser> I am trying to authenticate to the cups web interface but I can't do it. I have already set my user to the lpadmin group but it is still saying the password is wrong. Any idea?
[12:02] <Rumbles> log out and back in?
[12:02] <Rumbles> so your user is in the new group it was added to
[12:03] <Browser> yes
[12:03] <Browser> I used to be able to log in
[12:03] <Browser> I will log out, just in case
[12:05] <Fleuv> blackflow, how would I do that?
[12:07] <blackflow> Fleuv: open the file and read the instructions :)
[12:08] <Fleuv> blackflow, there are none. There is something about licensing and a small description. But not any instructions.
[12:09] <Browser> Nothing, I can't log in
[12:11] <blackflow> Fleuv: no "see resolved.conf(5) for details"?  meaning, check the resolved.conf manpage?
[12:11] <blackflow> Fleuv: you can start by uncommenting the FallbackDNS, and if that doesn't work, force those IPs into DNS=
[12:12] <blackflow> that's google's DNS
[12:12] <ducasse> Browser: which groups are you a member of? ('groups')
[12:12] <Fleuv> the one in fallbackDNS is googles dns you mean?
[12:14] <blackflow> Fleuv: yes
[12:14] <blackflow> the 8.8.8.8 one
[12:14] <Browser> adm lp dialout cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare vboxusers wireshark
[12:16] <ducasse> Browser: looks good. which ubuntu is this?
[12:16] <Browser> 14.04
[12:16] <Browser> I can't configure any printer :/
[12:16] <scottjl> Browser: check your cups.conf file. see if location is only @local, if so you can't log in from a browser from another computer
[12:16] <scottjl> Browser: you'll have to change it to your network, or add your pc's ip address
[12:17] <Browser> I am using localhost
[12:17] <scottjl> still check the file. every time i've had login issues. it was because of the location junk.
[12:18] <Browser> This is my cupsd.conf https://pastebin.com/fnS6eRj9
[12:20] <chandler> Hello folks. I've just upgraded 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04 and I have a few odd environment issues now. The first (and oddest) is that my prompt is getting munged in graphical sessions; the trailing space is being trimmed off of it. It's set in my .zprofile as: export PS1='[%n@%m %~]%# ' but when I open a terminal, there's no space after the prompt (and indeed it's missing from the environment variable)
[12:21] <scottjl> browser: for kicks, add Allow All after line 31 37 and 44. restart cupsd. see if you can get in
[12:22] <chandler> The second issue is that I've disabled the gnome keyring ssh agent because it does not handle modern keys, but while the ssh-agent is running, $SSH_AUTH_SOCK is exported-but-empty. I found https://askubuntu.com/questions/851679/switch-to-openssh-agent/858989#858989 - is it really only possible to fix this by modifying something in /usr/lib ?
[12:22] <cerealguy> hi all
[12:26] <cerealguy> i upgraded from 16.10 to 17.04 today, and am having trouble getting my wifi adapter connected to a wireless network that was functioning before i upgraded.  i'm wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot.  i'm tailing dmesg, and when i plug the device in, here's what i get:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24413505/
[12:27] <Browser> scottjl: same problem
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> cerealguy: could you test another kernel to see if its functioning there?
[12:27] <scottjl> Browser: i'm out of ideas. can't say i'm a huge fan of cups.
[12:27] <cerealguy> lotuspsychje: sure, i'll need to reboot but i'll be back
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> Browser: re-ask your issue in the channel, all in one line with all details for more chance of solving
[12:33] <knofte> security.ubuntu.com ipv6 down?
[12:33] <knofte> getting 404 and timeout when doing apt-get install for dependencies there.
[12:34] <knofte> :af37
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> knofte: you could ask known issues in #ubunut-mirrors perhaps
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-mirrors sorry
[12:34] <knofte> oh seperate chan for these things hu
[12:34] <knofte> :)
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> knofte: you dont have firewall or router/isp block?
[12:35] <knofte> No
[12:35] <cerealguy> lotuspsychje: kernel 4.10.0.19 worked for my wifi
[12:35] <definity> For some reason my upstart job keeps terminating and im not sure why, here is the script, can you see where I've goen wrong? https://paste.debian.net/928352/
[12:35] <cerealguy> lotuspsychje: thank you for the idea, +1
[12:35] <ducasse> knofte: i saw that happen so frequently i restricted apt to ipv4
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> cerealguy: can you create a new !bug perhaps, help the community?
[12:36] <cerealguy> lotuspsychje: absolutely
[12:36] <cerealguy> i'll do that today
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> cerealguy: thanks
[12:36] <cerealguy> i want to help, too, but i don't know C :(
[12:36] <cerealguy> only python
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> cerealguy: you mean contribute?
[12:37] <Browser> Hello, every time I try to log in to the cups interface, it says my password is wrong. My user is in the group lpadmin and the cupsd.conf file is this one:  https://pastebin.com/fnS6eRj9  Any ideas?
[12:37] <cerealguy> lotuspsychje: yes, i want to contribute but i don't know C
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | cerealguy
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> cerealguy: there's always something you can do here :p
[12:38] <cerealguy> thanks so much, lotuspsychje
[12:39] <lapion> Is there any setting to switch an installation from ga to hwe ? Is there any way to install a system with hwe/hwe-edge ?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | lapion can this help?
[12:41] <ducasse> lapion: if you install a point release you get the hwe stack
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Browser: there is also a small ##cups channel while you wait
[12:42] <Browser> Thanks. I am going to try to restart first
[12:42] <Browser> just in case
[12:44] <zealsham_> how do i run android on ubuntu
[12:45] <Rumbles> an emulator?
[12:45] <Rumbles> our devs use Genymotion
[12:46] <zealsham_> Rumbles:  is it free
[12:46] <Rumbles> yes
[12:46] <zealsham_> okay
[12:51] <lapion> ducasse, lotuspsychje is there an edge for x-org ?
[12:52] <ducasse> edge?
[12:53] <pynki> Rumbles, genymotion can run custom android images?
[12:53] <Rumbles> uh no idea
[12:53] <Rumbles> sorry
[12:55] <lujun9972> qut
[12:56] <Rumbles> iirc it uses virtualbox to run virtual android, so assuming you have the image it should run, but I guess the best thing to do is to try it out?
[12:56] <donofrio> anyone know how I can force the overwrite of this "man page" file? https://apaste.info/cKK2
[12:58] <ducasse> donofrio: dpkg -i --force-overwrite filename.deb
[13:09] <bonsaitree> Any documentation on how-to installing mainline kernel builds?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | bonsaitree
[13:11] <bonsaitree> lotuspsychje:This is too short, it's not descriptive enough for someone not that experienced, like me.
[13:11] <donofrio> how do I get these snap repositoies to populate?
[13:11] <donofrio> ducasse, that worked thank you...
[13:12] <ducasse> donofrio: they're refreshed by a systemd timer and service, so you restart the service i'd imagine
[13:12] <ducasse> donofrio: np :)
[13:12] <mcphail> bonsaitree: that page is very clear about what needs done. Brevity is not a hindrance
[13:15] <Speed_> how do i install pythin virtkey library?
[13:16] <SagelessFox> ehh..anyone knows how to install ti-nspire computer link on ubuntu?
[13:16] <SagelessFox> or any software like that?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> SagelessFox: whats it for exactly?
[13:16] <SagelessFox> really need to send something from my ubuntu pc
[13:17] <SagelessFox> it is a thing can be used to transfer softwares to TI calculator lotuspsychje
[13:17] <SagelessFox> the ti official site doent have a linux client for pc-calculator connection though
[13:18] <SagelessFox> is there any alternative?
[13:18] <Rumbles> emulate through wine perhaps?
[13:19] <Rumbles> SagelessFox, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1147810
[13:19] <SagelessFox> hmm..it would be tough.. I consider wine has a hard time on passing ports/connected hardwares to the upper softwares
[13:19] <ducasse> SagelessFox: check tilp2 in the repos
[13:20] <donofrio> ducasse, what am I doing wrong here, still no new snaps listed (was epecting 40 or more to be listed) https://apaste.info/wRir
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | donofrio
[13:22] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, hu?  I'm root why would I need sudo?
[13:22] <ducasse> donofrio: try 'sudo systemctl restart snapd.refresh.service'
[13:22] <donofrio> ducasse, ok I'll try
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> !root | donofrio here's why
[13:23] <donofrio> ducasse, no diffrence...
[13:23] <rockyvai> How do I add WiFi hotspot in Ubuntu 17.04 ?
[13:24] <ducasse> donofrio: try systemctl start snapd.refresh.timer
[13:24] <rockyvai> Earlier WiFi hotspot not working after upgrading
[13:24] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, I'm root why do you keep feeding me manpage for sudo I know how to use it.....do you even use snap packages?
[13:25] <donofrio> ducasse, how long does it take to refesh? https://apaste.info/cYxJ
[13:25] <ducasse> donofrio: no clue.
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: its your system, do what you like
[13:26] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, I only ask becuase you kept sendung sudo bot man page updates...do you know what my issue if or just random helping?
[13:30] <donofrio> does anyone here use snaps?
[13:30] <SagelessFox> ducasse that works, thanks Rumbles ducasse for the info
[13:32] <teiion> does the nouveau driver have an equivalent to nvidia-settings? preferably CLI
[13:32] <Delvien> teiion: no
[13:34] <DarekDeo> Hi, Ubuntu 16.04. I have problem with Blender (not related to usual alt key problem). I can use mouse in Blender, but when I press any keyboard button it not only do not react but also stops mouse from working in blender except only scrollwheel works and instead of zooming in/out it does move bar on timeline.
[13:35] <Delvien> DarekDeo: first thought would be.. is a keyboard key stuck?
[13:35] <Delvien> use xev to determine
[13:35] <donofrio> does anyone here use snaps?  get the feeling it's going to the wayside like unity and mir?
[13:36] <ducasse> donofrio: i've used snaps a couple of times, but try to avoid them in general.
[13:36] <maetoo> hello. how do i configuration automout samba after booted ubuntu?
[13:36] <rockyvai> How do I add WiFi hotspot in Ubuntu 17.04 ?
[13:36] <ekjtxrniqu> !samba | maetoo
[13:36] <rockyvai> It keeps disconnecting
[13:37] <DarekDeo> Delvien: the issue remains only in Blender. I have laptop keyboard, laptop is 1 year old I really doubt it has any key stuck
[13:38] <Delvien> DarekDeo: did you test with xev?
[13:38] <DarekDeo> Delvien: also I don't have numpad on keyboard, which is used in Blender. Ok, I'll test it out in xev but I really have doubt it will have any use
[13:38] <Delvien> DarekDeo: process of elimination :)
[13:39] <ducasse> DarekDeo: xev can be very useful, it will also tell you if something intercepts those keystrokes
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: if you have the feeling blender is lagging, perhaps also try a blender session from terminal to find usefull errors?
[13:41] <DarekDeo> xev doesn't print anything when I use Blender. Even if I press buttons. Should I run blender by xev somehow to intercept events or it should intercept automatically?
[13:42] <Delvien> DarekDeo: you run xev in terminal, then put the mouse pointer over the box
[13:42] <DarekDeo> I have issues with Blender since I installed 16.04, 14.04 worked fine in the past on the same laptp
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: what kind of graphics card chipset/driver?
[13:43] <DarekDeo> Intel broadwell gt2 5500
[13:43] <DarekDeo> also I have radeon m270/265 but I am not using it for Blender (to use this gpu I have to run DRI_PRIME=1 from terminal)
[13:43] <Delvien> DarekDeo: what mouse are you using
[13:44] <DarekDeo> external one, mx518 logitech
[13:44] <DarekDeo> touchpad is turnedoff
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: did 14.04 use the radeon or intel for blender then?
[13:44] <DarekDeo> i used both, in 14.04 I had propietary drivers installed from AMD
[13:45] <DarekDeo> in 16.04 i use only mesa + amdgpu (not pro)
[13:45] <DarekDeo> find it more stable, overall better than old propietary drivers
[13:45] <DarekDeo> in 16.04 amd propietary drivers are no more anyway, so there is no alternative
[13:45] <DarekDeo> also I have laptop with touchscreen
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: i think the intel is a bit lagging on heavy program like blender
[13:46] <xxx> hey
[13:46] <Guest95611> kk
[13:46] <Guest95611> whats up ?
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Guest95611
[13:46] <Delvien> !hi Guest95611
[13:47] <Speed_> how do i install Python Virtkey?
[13:47] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje, plugged off mouse and enabled touchpad, blender acts the same. I'll run the program from terminal and also try amdgpu. although blender is not that heavy, used it often on very old hardware
[13:47] <MustaKrakish> Speed_, apt install python-virtkey
[13:48] <bonsaitree> Someone here recommended that i should install an Upstream kernel, in order to try to fix a Wi-Fi issue. However, i am reading this: "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use.", and i am confused.
[13:48] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, do you run a production server?
[13:49] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:Nope, that's what they refer to with "production use"?
[13:49] <ducasse> bonsaitree: it's for testing if your problem is fixed so you can report a bug.
[13:49] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, what ducasse said
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: not sure sorry, out of ideas
[13:49] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, I would just reinstall the kernel if it was working before you started removing files
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: oh, perhaps test this on a new user?
[13:50] <bonsaitree> But as i've mentioned earlier, i think the problem is because of me deleting an important bin file
[13:50] <Delvien> DarekDeo: try a different mouse
[13:50] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:How do i do that?
[13:50] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, then reinstall the current kernel and reboot
[13:50] <DarekDeo> Delvien, tried with touchpad (mouse plugged off), same problem
[13:51] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish: Is this command okay: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic linux-image
[13:51] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, yup
[13:52] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish:It says that i should explicitly select one to install.
[13:52] <ducasse> bonsaitree: then do that :)
[13:52] <MustaKrakish> do a uname -a and paste the result here
[13:52] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, and there is a list of ~ 30 images
[13:52] <MustaKrakish> ^^
[13:53] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, 4.4.0-72-generic
[13:53] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, then reinstall that one
[13:53] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, :$
[13:54] <bonsaitree> okay :D
[13:54] <DarekDeo> Delvien, xev does not print anything when I hover mouse over window, except moving mouse. that probably means no key is stuck. lotuspsychje also terminal from blender does not print any errors. tried amdgpu but the problem remains
[13:54] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, don't forget to reboot
[13:55] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, k
[13:56] <Delvien> DarekDeo: out of ideas, unless you are using an odd wm/de
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: test on a new user perhaps, see if its not a config thing?
[13:58] <Guest95611> whats the new hype here
[13:58] <Guest95611> ?
[13:59] <ducasse> !topic | Guest95611
[13:59] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, Nope, the problem remains.
[14:00] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, It has to do with the Linux itself, i tried on Windows and i got ~ 48 Mbit/s, the ISP says it will give me a max. of 50 Mbit/s, so it's excellent.
[14:01] <MustaKrakish> bonsaitree, so it works, just not well?
[14:01] <bonsaitree> MustaKrakish, Yes, and the whole browsing process is slow and laggy.
[14:02] <tykayn> hey folks, is it also crash prone to put ubuntu to sleep
[14:02] <Delvien> bonsaitree: try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf  (then reboot)
[14:03] <tykayn> just at wake up time, everything freezes
[14:03] <Delvien> bonsaitree: or are you talking about "browsing" ubuntu itself
[14:06] <Delvien> .
[14:06] <bonsaitree> Delvien:I was talking about browsing the web through a browser. It is sluggish and unresponsive. I executed the command, rebooted, and it's still the same.
[14:06] <bonsaitree> But i love Linux :)
[14:07] <Delvien> bonsaitree: what does speedtest show?
[14:07] <bonsaitree> It is behaving like my link is capped at 20 Mbit/s. It will max. at 20 and that's it.
[14:08] <Delvien> bonsaitree: are you on wifi?
[14:08] <bonsaitree> Delvien, .
[14:08] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje, on guest user it works fine, any idea what settings I have changed? :P
[14:08] <bonsaitree> Delvien, Yes
[14:08] <ducasse> bonsaitree: which chipset?
[14:08] <raspberry> hello
[14:08] <Delvien> bonsaitree: if youre using Nm, check the connection information, what speed?
[14:09] <bonsaitree> ducasse, Advanced-N 6200
[14:09] <bonsaitree> Delvien, Where do i check the speed?
[14:09] <raspberry> ?
[14:09] <Delvien> bonsaitree: "connection information"
[14:10] <raspberry> 음...
[14:10] <bonsaitree> Delvien, It is dynamic, 78 Mb/s / 65 Mb/s /
[14:10] <bonsaitree> etc
[14:12] <Delvien> bonsaitree you had mentioned windows, are you comparing to the windows wifi speed ?
[14:12] <bonsaitree> Delvien, Yes
[14:12] <Delvien> bonsaitree: im thinking its something with the wifi driver
[14:12] <bonsaitree> Delvien, I think that too, since i was removing bin files...
[14:13] <bonsaitree> Delvien, The thing is, i have installed the driver again, but the problem remains.
[14:13] <Delvien> google your make/model of your laptop and wifi card + ubuntu, see if anyone else has that problem
[14:13]  * Delvien awaits !google spam
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> DarekDeo: any luck?
[14:15] <DarekDeo> lotuspsychje, Delvien solved it (more or less) it is related to sleep and wake of laptop. I've turned off and on laptop again. Sleep mode does something with my input settings
[14:17] <bonsaitree> Delvien, Interesting thing that i am noticing now (after the execution of the commands you recommended) is that when i click on a hyperlink on a site with the middle click, and open it afterwards, it says "There is no internet connection", and the browser loads the page then, not previously.
[14:18] <fffuuuL> Hello
[14:18] <Guest74710> I am Aaron
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Guest74710
[14:19] <bonsaitree> Delvien, Brb 10 mins
[14:19] <fffuuuL> What package manager GUI should i use instead of `discover` ?
[14:20] <fffuuuL> Any suggestions?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> fffuuuL: to show system info?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> !info inxi | fffuuuL
[14:22] <fffuuuL> To manage packages, install / uninstall / update etc
[14:22] <ducasse> fffuuuL: do you mean like synaptic?
[14:22] <fffuuuL> Discover seems like a "user-friendly" package manager
[14:22] <fffuuuL> but to me it is not very useful
[14:22] <fffuuuL> Is synaptic still the way to go?
[14:23] <Guest74710> 这里有说中文的吗？
[14:23] <Delvien> bonsaitree: hmm
[14:23] <fffuuuL> I'm using NEON KDE, which is the current *buntu with the latest KDE
[14:23] <oerheks> synaptic is the 1st thing i install, much more detailed softwarecenter.
[14:23] <Delvien> !chinese Guest74710
[14:23] <chillpill_>  Translation failed
[14:23] <ducasse> fffuuuL: we don't support neon
[14:23] <Delvien> !ch Guest74710
[14:23] <opssssss> hi folks. any one to help me please? i try to update, but i see this messages. how to fix? ==> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24414099/
[14:24] <sYnfo> I'm using perf top to profile a program and I see it spends a lot of time (~30%) in [k] __schedule, is that possibly normal?
[14:24] <fffuuuL> Have not used *buntu in a while
[14:24] <fffuuuL> alright, will use that
[14:24] <fffuuuL> ducasse: but you support ubuntu
[14:25] <ducasse> fffuuuL: yep, but not neon. their support is in #kdeneon iirc
[14:25] <fffuuuL> I am not seeking kde help
[14:25] <oerheks> opssssss, "sudo apt-get -y purge some-kernel-package" .. replace some-kernel-package with the package name like linux-headers-etc
[14:26] <oerheks> opssssss, to remove old kernels easily, just use sudo apt autoremove
[14:27] <fffuuuL> oerheks: Is synaptic a gtk application?
[14:27] <oerheks> fffuuuL, yes
[14:28] <fffuuuL> yeah alright thank you
[14:28] <fffuuuL> Installed it
[14:28] <fffuuuL> looks way better
[14:29] <fffuuuL> I assume `discover` is some sort of KDE application that offers similar funtionality for new users
[14:32] <fffuuuL> Another question, I use youtube-dl with mpv a lot on my Archlinux system, i keep youtube-dl updated via a "AUR(Archlinux User Repository)" package called "youtube-dl-git", what option would i have to have a similar package as debian-package?
[14:32] <fffuuuL> Is there a similar repository for ubuntu that offers that functionality
[14:33] <k1l> youtube-dl
[14:33] <k1l> !info youtube-dl
[14:33] <Fuchs> I think the question was more to have an up-to-date version from git
[14:34] <Fuchs> which tends to not be a thing. Youtube-dl has an integrated updater which can override the package management, but of course that is tricky because a package update might then downgrade it
[14:34] <fffuuuL> Yeah
[14:34] <k1l> if you want other builds than this from the repo, then look out for a PPA or if the developer offers ubuntu .deb pacakges or repos.
[14:34] <scottjl> or just build it from git?
[14:34] <fffuuuL> This version is pretty much outdated
[14:34] <fffuuuL> Yeah youtube-dl detects where it got installed from
[14:35] <fffuuuL> I guess i will use the python installer then
[14:35] <scottjl> uninstall the official package then and install it from git directly?
[14:35] <fffuuuL> scottjl: I would prefer to do it via the package manager if possible
[14:35] <scottjl> or email and harass the maintainer to update?
[14:36] <fffuuuL> Yeah i know about the other ways for youtube-dl but this is rather a general question if it is possible to get *-git packlages
[14:37] <k1l> fffuuuL: there are no git packages. you can either install .deb packages, use repos that ship such .deb packages (like PPAs or other 3rd party repo) or you build it yourself from source. or you use snap packages if there are such already
[14:38] <fffuuuL> Alright, thank you
[14:38] <scottjl> the problem with youtube-dl is it's updated almost daily some times. if the maintainer doesn't have the time to keep on top of that it falls behind fast. you're far better off installing a volatile package like that yourself and maintaining it yourself.
[14:39] <scottjl> if it's important to you
[14:39] <k1l> fffuuuL: and if you mean "are there bleeding edge packages in the ubuntu repos" then no, ubuntu is a stable release distro. all packages get freezed and are not upgraded to new versions after that (except security or bugfix patches).
[14:41] <fffuuuL> k1l: Yeah i know about that, my idea was that there is maybe a external repository that offers that, like the webupd8team
[14:41] <scottjl> fffuuuL: https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/getdeb_apps/xenial/apps/getdeb/youtube-dl
[14:42] <scottjl> but it's easy to install from the git repo, just clone it, sudo make install
[14:42] <k1l> fffuuuL: yes, but that is a 3rd party repo then. we cant support that in the way. that is why i said you can look up if there is a PPA or if the program dev offers a repo or daily builds
[14:42] <scottjl> you might need to sudo apt install pandoc  as a prereq
[14:42] <k1l> !ppa | fffuuuL
[14:43] <fffuuuL> This looks good scottjl
[14:43] <tarzeau> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ when will this work again?
[14:43] <scottjl> personally i'd just git clone it and keep it up-to-date myself.
[14:43] <fffuuuL> !ppa-purge
[14:45] <k1l> fffuuuL: this is a list of PPAs witht hat package. but keep in mind that everyone can create a PPA and put whatever code he wants into that packages: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=youtube-dl
[14:45] <maksymov> hi!
[14:45] <fffuuuL> scottjl: Sure, but it is good to know that this ubuntuUpdates page exists
[14:45] <k1l> tarzeau: what do you mean exactly?
[14:46] <tarzeau> k1l: the package importer from debian
[14:46] <tarzeau> it imports stuff from unstable or testing?
[14:46] <k1l> tarzeau: this is not for endusers.
[14:46] <scottjl> ubuntuupdates is a 3rd party, so you're just relying on them to keep it up to date. you can end up with the same problem if they don't
[14:46] <tarzeau> k1l: yes i know. that doesn't answer my question.
[14:47] <maksymov> what is a best irc client on gnome?
[14:47] <Delvien> maksymov: this isnt really the place for suggestions, as personal opinions != your opinion
[14:47] <maksymov> :(
[14:47] <maksymov> I'm 10 years with ubuntu but first time in irc
[14:48] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, hexchat is nice
[14:48] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, or if you prefer cli irssi
[14:48] <scottjl> hexcat is nice for gui, weechat is nice for cli
[14:48] <kostkon> maksymov, hexchat. you can install the snap version from ubuntu software
[14:48] <k1l_> tarzeau: its naming a mailinglist at the top. best is to ask there
[14:49] <scottjl> znc is great for bouncing
[14:49] <tarzeau> k1l_: thanks for the suggestion. i'm on irc for instant answers, but then it doesn't really matter, i was just curious, answer is fine, no answer is fine too :)
[14:50] <LinuxAdventure> is Lubuntu only for old computers?
[14:50] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure: no, it works on modern 8core machines, too :)
[14:51] <oerheks> only for 2017 models ... oh he is gone
[14:51] <maksymov> How can I register a user in irc?
[14:51] <kostkon> !register
[14:51] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, /msg nickerv register <email> <password>
[14:52] <mrz127> hi
[14:52] <maksymov> MustaKrakish:
[14:52] <maksymov> where?
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, anyhere
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> *where
[14:53] <LinuxAdventure> hello.. is Lubuntu only for old computers?
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> LinuxAdventure, no
[14:53] <k1l_> maksymov: that is a irc command. just paste it in the server window
[14:53] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure: no, it works on modern 8core machines, too :)
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> LinuxAdventure, the L is for LXDE iirc
[14:53] <maksymov> hm... server window...
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, in irc
[14:53] <ilmaisin> hello
[14:53] <MustaKrakish> maksymov,  do it in here
[14:54] <maksymov> ok, i'll try to find it
[14:54] <LinuxAdventure> really, does anybody here use Lubuntu on modern new computers?
[14:54] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, just /msg nickerv register <email> <password>
[14:54] <ilmaisin> is there any way to convert scanned graphics or text to a nice black and white form
[14:54] <bonsaitree> Delvien, I did not find any similar bugs online, do you recommend trying anything else?
[14:54] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure: is there a issue? i dont see a problem with running it on modern hardware
[14:55] <MustaKrakish> LinuxAdventure, it's just a lightweight ubuntu variant
[14:55] <ilmaisin> i am looking for something that does it by relative contrast for something, a simple cutoff is nowhere near good enough
[14:55] <maksymov> MustaKrakish: in this channel?
[14:55] <MustaKrakish> maksymov, yeah
[14:55] <maksymov> ok
[14:55] <LinuxAdventure> great. I thought that it was meant for old computers. I stand corrected.
[14:56] <umoukun> I bought this printer - https://epson.com/Support/Printers/All-In-Ones/XP-Series/Epson-XP-430/s/SPT_C11CE59201 - everything works but the USB connection, nothing shows in dmesg when I connect it, any tips?
[14:57] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure: it is meant for slow and old hardware. but it still works on modern hardware. it just tries to reduce the load. but its missing some eyecandy and such, that is why most people run other ubuntu flavors on modern hardware
[14:57] <maksymov> HELP
[14:57] <maksymov> sorry )
[14:58] <LinuxAdventure> I am using it on my old laptop. Really happy with Lubuntu. It has revived that old laptop which otherwise was of no use at all.
[14:59] <oerheks> !flavor
[15:00] <test_> hola
[15:00] <LinuxAdventure> can using a  32 bit os on a 64 bit machine be advantageous. Would it be faster on a 64 bit machine?
[15:00] <dax> You won't notice a difference.
[15:01] <dax> Just use 64-bit.
[15:01] <k1l_> LinuxAdventure: if that machine is 64bit then install a 64bit OS
[15:01] <compdoc> LinuxAdventure, 64bit is faster
[15:01] <LinuxAdventure> ok
[15:01] <oerheks> LinuxAdventure, maybe 32 bit is slower.
[15:02] <LinuxAdventure> ok
[15:04] <LinuxAdventure> Ubuntu Budgie seems to be a new one.
[15:05] <LinuxAdventure> is it stable for end users?
[15:06] <oerheks> LinuxAdventure, any reason to doubt that?
[15:07] <oerheks> it is a fresh DE indeed, try it.
[15:07] <LinuxAdventure> I am new.
[15:07] <LinuxAdventure> was just curious.
[15:09] <bonsaitree> Okay, are there "generic" intel drivers that i can install via apt-get?
[15:09] <oerheks> bonsaitree,  no, intel is supported already in the kernel.
[15:10] <bonsaitree> Can someone experienced tell me what is the most clever thing to do, since i can't get my connection to work as it used to?
[15:11] <SimonNL> bonsaitree: what's been changed?
[15:12] <bonsaitree> SimonNL:Sluggish/slow Wi-Fi link performance, frequent drops, 20 Mbit/s max. at speeedtest measurement.
[15:13] <SimonNL> I meant what's change since in worked well.
[15:13] <bonsaitree> SimonNL, Was deleting bin files related to bluetooth, and i suspect that i have deleted something that i should not have
[15:13] <pavlos> bonsaitree: which chipset, which ubuntu release?
[15:13] <bonsaitree> pavlos:Intel Advanced-N 6200, 16.04
[15:14] <ducasse> bonsaitree: and it has worked well on 16.04 before?
[15:14] <LinuxAdventure> is 17.04 stable?
[15:14] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Yes, it worked like a charm
[15:14] <bonsaitree> ducasse:Maybe it's because of a certain update, idk
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: yes, but that doesnt mean you wont get bugs
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: for less bugs, choose an LTS version
[15:14] <TheMontyChrist> how to diff two directorys that have the same files?
[15:14] <LinuxAdventure> ok. which version is free of bugs?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: no Os is free of bugs
[15:15] <TheMontyChrist> only those dirs that have the same files on common, I'd like to diff - put another way
[15:15] <DArqueBishop> LinuxAdventure: there is no such thing as bug-free software.
[15:15] <TheMontyChrist> theres bugs, less bugs, and support to remove found bugs
[15:15] <LinuxAdventure> I meant among the various available versions of Ubuntu LTS, 16.10 and 17.04.
[15:16] <v5> is anyone here familiar with java ? I'm having a problem using a certain library
[15:16] <DArqueBishop> 16.10 is not an LTS release.
[15:16] <LinuxAdventure> yes. 16.04.2 is LTS.
[15:16] <ducasse> LinuxAdventure: 16.10 is nearing the end of it's supported lifetime now
[15:16] <oerheks> 18.04 is free of bugs = it does not exist yet.
[15:16] <LinuxAdventure> ok.
[15:17] <LinuxAdventure> oerheks, ok. Provide me the link to that 18.04. lol.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> !java | v5
[15:18] <LinuxAdventure> btw, when is the next LTS release going to happen?
[15:19] <compdoc> 2018
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: april 2018
[15:19] <LinuxAdventure> ok
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> LinuxAdventure: meanwhile test 16.04?
[15:19] <LinuxAdventure> ok. I'll do that.
[15:19] <LinuxAdventure> and will try to report any bugs, if there are any.
[15:20] <pavlos> bonsaitree: can you pastebin, "sudo lshw -C network"
[15:20] <LinuxAdventure> or. I'll use 17.04 itself.
[15:21] <LinuxAdventure> lotuspsychje, which DE are you using in Ubuntu?
[15:21] <compdoc> only one year to go!
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !chat | LinuxAdventure
[15:22] <LinuxAdventure> ok.
[15:23] <bonsaitree> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24414334/
[15:24] <pavlos> bonsaitree: echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[15:25] <bonsaitree> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24414343/
[15:26] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Lol, does this mean that the N mode is disabled? O.O
[15:26] <pavlos> bonsaitree: yes, this line should be in the iwlwifi.conf, then remove the module and modprobe it again
[15:27] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Wait, if i add that line it will make the N-mode == true, right?
[15:28] <pavlos> bonsaitree: this page ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2041403
[15:28] <kostkon> bonsaitree, it will disable it
[15:28] <pavlos> bonsaitree: marked as solved ... give it a try
[15:28] <oerheks> bonsaitree, no, disabling N, and trottling back to wireless B/G will solve most connection issues
[15:28] <MaKcuMoB> Polari dont post irc comands
[15:28] <MaKcuMoB> ))
[15:29] <bonsaitree> oerheks:My bad, i meant N-mode disabled
[15:29] <bonsaitree> Okay i will give that a try, thanks
[15:32] <rockyvai> How to enable WiFi hotspot in Ubuntu 17.04 ? anyone ?
[15:32] <sim642> I want to upgrade my xubuntu but the upgrader just tells me "an upgrade from vivid to xenial is not supported with this tool"
[15:32] <sim642> How can I still upgrade?
[15:32] <nacc> !eolupgrade | sim642
[15:32] <nacc> sim642: vivid has been eol for a while now
[15:33] <sim642> I know, that's why I'm trying to upgrade
[15:34] <bonsaitree> pavlos, The iwlwifi.conf file contains the line that disables the N mode. What should i do next? Those 2 additional lines --- > sudo modprobe -rfv iwlwifi
[15:34] <bonsaitree> sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi ?
[15:34] <sim642> Why doesn't the tool just upgrade just as it would upgrade a non EOL version?
[15:34] <pavlos> bonsaitree: yes, the first removed the module, the second re-inserts it
[15:34] <bonsaitree> pavlos, thanks
[15:35] <oerheks> sim642, you had the time to upgrade.
[15:35] <nacc> sim642: because it can't do that, as the upgrade path is unsupported and unmaintained
[15:35] <nacc> sim642: please read the faq
[15:35] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Fatal: Module is in use. Should i make a hardware stop to the wireless card?
[15:35] <sim642> nacc, I mean why doesn't it upgrade to 15.10 first which has been perfectly possible
[15:36] <nacc> sim642: 15.10 is also eol
[15:36] <sim642> oerheks, blame the user...
[15:36] <sim642> nacc, I know but why shouldn't upgrades by single versions still work?
[15:36] <sim642> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04
[15:36] <nacc> sim642: they do, just not using the release upgrade tool
[15:36] <nacc> sim642: as release upgrade is for supported releases
[15:36] <nacc> sim642: your question is like why can't i upgrade win3.1 to win95
[15:36] <sim642> It's not
[15:36] <nacc> ... it is
[15:36] <pavlos> bonsaitree: can you reboot? that might help
[15:37] <sim642> the tool works fine for upgrading single versions when they're both still supported
[15:37] <nacc> sim642: yes
[15:37] <sim642> why would the same upgrade procedure break if they're EOL
[15:37] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Should i execute the line that re-inserts the module first, and then reboot?
[15:37] <sim642> the procedure is the same
[15:37] <nacc> sim642: becuase the archive chagnes
[15:37] <nacc> sim642: no, it isn't.
[15:37] <sim642> the archive?
[15:37] <nacc> sim642: vivid and wily are no longer available from the ubuntu archives
[15:38] <nacc> sim642: so the upgrader can't use the paths it knows about
[15:38] <pavlos> bonsaitree: the option to disable N is in the iwlwifi.conf so just reboot. I wonder what changed and it worked before?
[15:38] <sim642> nacc, so basically I can just reinstall?
[15:38] <nacc> sim642: again, just read the faq, instead of arguing incorrectly, please
[15:38] <nacc> sim642: read the faq!
[15:38] <bonsaitree> pavlos, no idea..will reboot now brb
[15:39] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Actually, why rebooting when we did not change anything
[15:39] <bonsaitree> pavlos, The line was there, so there won't be a fix
[15:39] <outofme> which line
[15:40] <bonsaitree> outofme, Which disables the N mode
[15:40] <outofme> sorry man i dont know
[15:40] <pavlos> bonsaitree: correct so reboot not needed
[15:40] <bonsaitree> outofme, This command: echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[15:40] <sim642> nacc, which FAQ?
[15:41] <bonsaitree> outofme, It returned that it found the string inside the file, so there won't be any difference.
[15:41] <pavlos> bonsaitree: can you look in dmesg for errors?
[15:41] <nacc> !eolupgrade | sim642: the one you were already directed to 8 minutes ago
[15:41] <pavlos> bonsaitree: dmesg | grep iwl
[15:42] <sim642> nacc, I have read the page, it explains nowhere why I couldn't upgrade 15.04->15.10 for example
 sim642: your question is like why can't i upgrade win3.1 to win95
[15:42] <nacc> sim642: i explained that part, then you asked a question about whether to upgrade or not
[15:42] <nacc> sim642: or fresh install
[15:42] <nacc> sim642: and that is quite literally part of that wiki page
[15:43] <DArqueBishop> Whether you like that answer or not, it's still a perfectly valid comparison.
[15:43] <bonsaitree> pavlos, I think that we are close, since there is an interesting error on the second line: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24414432/
[15:44] <sim642> DArqueBishop, my point is that 15.04->15.10 was a working upgrade, completely feasible and intended procedure. Only difference being that now after a few years for some reason the very same procedure doesn't work. This logic makes no sense
[15:45] <DArqueBishop> sim642: it was already explained to you. The procedure doesn't work because 15.10 is EOL and is no longer available in the archives.
[15:45] <DArqueBishop> It's the equivalent of having a Windows 3.11 install and being upset that no one sells Windows 95 anymore.
[15:45] <sim642> DArqueBishop, THE archives? it's not like 15.10 has been indefinitely deleted from the face of this planet
[15:45] <ioria> sim642, you could  do a 15.04 -> 15.10 ,  ... but not recommended ; so i suggest a fresh install
[15:46] <JRansomed> sim642: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:46] <sim642> JRansomed, and?
[15:46] <JRansomed> That might get you archives to upgrade to something still supported.  I was trying to remember how I upgraded when I waited too long.  ;-)
[15:46] <nacc> sim642: there is a sense of ubuntu archives, that are mirrored everywhere and are officially 'ubuntu'
[15:47] <sim642> and old-releases somehow isn't THE?
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: it's a different archive
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: it's an oldrelease archive, clearly
[15:47] <JRansomed> An archive to help old releases upgrade
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: and now it's not *the* archive
[15:47] <sim642> what is THE archive?
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: please just get over it, you let your system go eol and now are dealing with the consequences
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[15:47] <sim642> also, the fact that the files are under a different subdomain makes it impossible to get the files automatically for the same upgrade procedure automatielly?
[15:47] <nacc> sim642: plus allt he mirrors
[15:49] <sim642> My only question is, why can't the upgrade tool upgrade to files now in the old-releases archive just like it would've upgraded to the same version if its files were in the main archive?
[15:49] <scottjl> because it can't.
[15:49] <KaiForce> sim642: you would be better off expending this energy on your new install instead of complaining to people who both don't care and can't do anything about your complaint.
[15:49] <JRansomed> A good question.  But, yeah, it doesn't source from them.
[15:50] <scottjl> you do realize this is the community support channel right? not like we're officially on canonical's payroll.
[15:50] <KaiForce> probably because if it didn't work people would expect it to be supported
[15:50] <DArqueBishop> ... because it would be easier and safer to backup your data and reload a new support install than it would be to support multiple upgrades to unsupported EOL releases.
[15:50] <JRansomed> @kaiForce, very true
[15:50] <DArqueBishop> That, and the whole "EOL = unsupported" deal.
[15:50] <DArqueBishop> s/support install/supported install/
[15:51] <nacc> sim642: the short answer is everything that was just said, i'd expect. eol upgrades are not supported so if it fails, there is no support (except maybe a nice person here). Having the release upgrader (implicilty the supported release upgrader) do that, would give a bad impression of the upgrade path when it fails
[15:52] <sim642> the upgrader happily popping up every startup telling me to upgrade and then telling me it can't isn't giving any better of an impression
[15:52] <nacc> sim642: yes, because your *entire* release is unsupported
[15:53] <nacc> sim642: again, it's just like if you booted win3.1 at this point
[15:53] <nacc> sim642: anything it says is, IMO, the same as /dev/null
[15:53] <nacc> sim642: you may not like the analogy, but it's accurate, afaict
[15:53] <sim642> If it can't do the upgrade, why does it suggest to me that I should try to click the upgrade button to get 16.10 if it knows it won't work
[15:53] <scottjl> because it was suggesting it years ago and you ignored it then. so just continue to ignore it now
[15:54] <ioria> has been reported that running '  do-release-upgrade -d  ' on 15.04 takes you to 15.10 ...
[15:54] <sim642> it doesn't
[15:54] <ioria> sim642, have you tried ?
[15:54] <sim642> it goes to the latest one, past the LTS
[15:54] <sim642> yes
[15:54] <ioria> sim642, with the -d flag ?
[15:54] <sim642> I had to cancel and revert the sources changes
[15:54] <DArqueBishop> sim642: the developers probably didn't expect that someone would try and use the tool to upgrade after even the next version had gone EOL.
[15:54] <sim642> yes
[15:54] <nacc> sim642: beuase you opted into the development release upgrades and didn't pay attention
[15:54] <nacc> sim642: so don't do that pay attention next time
[15:55] <Mr_Pan> have Xubuntu LTS 5 years support  ?
[15:55] <sim642> nacc, what?
[15:55] <nacc> Mr_Pan: yes
[15:55] <nacc> sim642: to run 15.04, you had to upgrade to non-lts, and that means you need to upgrade every 9 months or so
[15:55] <nacc> sim642: you chose not to, clearly
[15:56] <nacc> sim642: and the -d flag is different
[15:56] <z_> hey
[15:56] <Guest32238> who can i create a a chat like this?
[15:56] <Guest32238> ?
[15:56] <Guest32238> hey
[15:56] <nacc> !ot | Guest32238
[15:57] <Guest32238> who can i create a chat like this?
[15:57] <k0z3r0> Peace
[15:57] <ps_> Guest32238, simply type in slash join and a chatroom name of your desire
[15:57] <k0z3r0> First time using irc
[15:57] <nacc> Guest32238: you can create channels by just joining them if they don't exist (/join <channel name>)
[15:58] <k0z3r0> I'm using a virtual machine and ubuntu is running rather slow even after applying guest additions to it and reserving extra ram, any more enhancements I can make?
[15:59] <k0z3r0> clear
[15:59] <nacc> k0z3r0: virtualbox?
[15:59] <tarzeau> k0z3r0: vmware?
[15:59] <k0z3r0> yeah
[15:59] <k0z3r0> virutalbox
[16:00] <k0z3r0> virtual*
[16:00] <ps_> k0z3r0, updating to latest Kernel?
[16:00] <ps_> 4.11 rc7 ist current I believe
[16:00] <k0z3r0> let me check
[16:01] <ps_> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:01] <ps_> k0z3r0, try 4.11 release candidate 7
[16:01] <nacc> ps_: why do you recommend that?
[16:02] <k0z3r0> 4.4.0-31-generic
[16:02] <nacc> k0z3r0: i don't think you need to switch kernels
[16:02] <nacc> ps_: the mainline builds are for testing and should not be used by end-users generally, and are not supported
[16:02] <ps_> nacc, believe 4.11 has some improvements concerning virtualizations.
[16:02] <nacc> ps_: VMs run fine on current kernels
[16:03] <lililililililili> hello
[16:03] <ps_> nacc, ok
[16:03] <lililililililili> ive a question
[16:03] <nacc> k0z3r0: do you have new or uncommon hardware?
[16:03] <sharkcharger> ...
[16:03] <nacc> !ask | lililililililili
[16:03] <k0z3r0> It's common
[16:03] <kkunji> How can I set a memory limit for a process and its children (summed, not restarting for each), and without sudo rights?  Preferably more fine grained that number of pages.  Oh, and I need it set before the process allocates anything, so I'm not sure that prlimit is viable because time passes between the process starting and then running prlimit with the pid.
[16:04] <ps_> !patience
[16:04] <nacc> kkunji: you would prlimit in a wrapper and then exec your program?
[16:05] <lililililililili> I am thinking of building an AMD Ryzen build but with no GPU for now and want to install Ubuntu. However I am planning to buy a GTX 1080 or 1070 later this year. How hard will it be to install a new GPU for the first time and configuring it?
[16:05] <k0z3r0> Has anyone tried termux on android a linux cli emulator
[16:05] <nacc> k0z3r0: i think we'd need a bit more info to debug the vm slowness, do you see any messages in `dmesg` or `syslog`?
[16:05] <faugusztin> lililililililili: how do you plan to do it without GPU ?
[16:06] <faugusztin> lililililililili: considering Ryzen has no IGP
[16:06] <nacc> headless?
[16:06] <kkunji> nacc: I don't think so?
[16:06] <nacc> kkunji: why not?
[16:06] <nacc> kkunji: sorry, i meant s/would/could/
[16:06] <faugusztin> nacc: headless how ? at least he needs to have GPU to enter UEFI to configure it to ignore missing GPU
[16:06] <lililililililili> so it wont work well cuz it doesnt have IGP?
[16:07] <lililililililili> should I just buy them together?
[16:07] <ps_> !patience | ps_
[16:07] <k0z3r0> hang on
[16:07] <faugusztin> well i do not know how will board behave without any GPU in system. i mean even if it will say "press F1 to continue", you are not seeing it :)
[16:08] <faugusztin> so at least temporarily, you should plug in a GPU, any GPU really
[16:08] <lililililililili> I see
[16:08] <nacc> faugusztin: serial console
[16:08] <kkunji> nacc: Well, my setup is like that already, but doesn't prlimit work like ulimit and grant the children resets essentially?
[16:08] <nacc> faugusztin: i don't know about uefi, i can only speak to servers
[16:08] <nacc> kkunji: exec isn't a child
[16:08] <faugusztin> nacc: he talks about Ryzen build, thus not server or workstation hardware
[16:08] <nacc> kkunji: you're thinking of fork
[16:08] <lililililililili> I plan to do deep learning ;)
[16:09] <nacc> faugusztin: good point :) just spitballing...
[16:09] <faugusztin> lililililililili: do you have some other system with a GPU ?
[16:09] <lililililililili> anyone here using their machine for that?
[16:09] <lililililililili> sadly no
[16:09] <faugusztin> lililililililili: you could temporarily move the GPU from other system there, configure the BIOS to ignore errors like a missing GPU, then install the OS, remove the GPU, reboot, hope it boots :)
[16:09] <scottjl> just get a cheap $20 video board. problem solved.
[16:10] <faugusztin> lililililililili: and when you add a GPU later, you just install the correct driver
[16:10] <kkunji> nacc: $() will fork right?, I'm not sure how exec would make that better though, wouldn't it be even worse?
[16:10] <lililililililili> okay thanks guys
[16:10] <scottjl> you can have lots of problems that will require you to get on the console. going to be a pain if you don't have video anyway
[16:10] <faugusztin> scottjl: i actually got a $50 video card for that :P. because of PCI-E x1 interface https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/gt-710-1gb-pcie-x-1
[16:11] <scottjl> faugusztin: you big spender you!
[16:11] <kkunji> lililililililili: 1080 Ti for ML.... waiting on two of them.  Actually I want to wait for an Instinct MI25, but the shackles of CUDA are still strong at the moment with others at work.
[16:12] <scottjl> why spend all the money on ryzen, and then skimp out with no video at all?
[16:12] <lililililililili> @kkunji I am a noobie in ML. Im just starting. What system do u suggest? Im thinking Ryzen 1700 + GTX 1070 + Ubuntu
[16:13] <kkunji> nacc: cgroups would probably be the way, but I need admin for that.  Maybe I need to embed rlimit calls in the C++ code.
[16:13] <yasgur99> does anyone know if hexchat official supports otr
[16:13] <nacc> kkunji: why are you  using $() ?
[16:13] <nacc> kkunji: bash has an exec builtin
[16:14] <scottjl> yasgur99: there's an un-official plugin.
[16:14] <yasgur99> scottjl im kind of new to this whole irc thing. is otr something that people normally use
[16:15] <scottjl> yasgur99: meh. not really. but it depends on where you're hanging out. you won't find much use of it on this channel.
[16:15] <kkunji> nacc: err... I'm not for this, currently my call is like this: $timecmd -o "${output_folder}/${run_name}/STATS/time${BASH_REMATCH}.log" -f'memory in kilobytes %M real %e user %U sys %S command %C' "${gigi}" "${file}" -outD="${output_folder}/${run_name}/gigi_output/${BASH_REMATCH}" -long & pids+=("$!")
[16:15] <yasgur99> scottjl what about ssl. do most people use that?
[16:16] <scottjl> yasgur99: ssl to servers? yes. i'd recommend that
[16:16] <yasgur99> awesome thanks
[16:16] <scottjl> infact i wouldn't connect to a server without ssl
[16:17] <yasgur99> scottjl who come?
[16:17] <yasgur99> *how come
[16:17] <kkunji> nacc: I make several such calls and want to constrain the total memory they are using at any given time, if exceeded, killing the offending process and potentially restarting it after some others finish.
[16:18] <nacc> kkunji: and you don't have root at all?
[16:19] <kkunji> nacc: I do, but it is intended to be run by others on shared clusters at other institutions where the users will not have root at all.
[16:19] <nacc> kkunji: i think users can write to their own cgrouops
[16:20] <nacc> kkunji: maybe not, i'm not sure
[16:20] <kkunji> nacc: Hmm, thanks, that may have potential, I'll check it out, but it might be fairly OS specific?
[16:20] <nacc> kkunji: cgroups should be pretty generic, presuming similar kernel levels
[16:21] <Sparrow_> And what does all of this have to do with ubuntu support?
[16:21] <nacc> Sparrow_: a good question :)
[16:21] <kkunji> nacc: Right, but potentially different config file locations.   Thanks though.
[16:22] <kkunji> Sparrow_: Not a lot, I'm running and testing it on Ubuntu, but yeah, it's mostly a generic linux/bash question
[16:22] <indelab5> hi
[16:22] <indelab5> anyone there
[16:23] <Sparrow_> They have a channell too
[16:23] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Are you here?
[16:23] <faugusztin> scottjl: in my case, a server (mostly for VMs) doesn't need a GPU
[16:23] <kkunji> Sparrow_: But this is the best channel  :P
[16:23] <scottjl> faugusztin: never say never
[16:24] <faugusztin> scottjl: but until i need a better gpu, the 710 will do
[16:24] <Sparrow_> kkunji, Yes.. for Ubuntu support
[16:24] <faugusztin> hell, i even blacklisted nouveau, because it was crashing on it
[16:24] <indelab5> how do i install wine
[16:24] <Sparrow_> indelab5, open synaptic and do it
[16:25] <indelab5> ??? whats that
[16:25] <kkunji> Sparrow_: The answer is not strictly OS independent, e.g. prlimit is not default on all distros, and requires kernel >= 2.6.36
[16:26] <indelab5> im on Ubuntu MATE
[16:27] <Sparrow_> kkunji, please kep it specifically to support of this OS
[16:28] <kkunji> Sparrow_: Is meta chat more on topic?  It actually seems even less so to me.
[16:29] <Sparrow_> kkunji, Please STOP this OT..
[16:31] <kkunji> Sparrow_: Don't try to put your extended meta issues on me, you weren't even polite enough to suggest the off topic room.  It is you that should desist as my own topic is finished already as everyone can see.
[16:31] <scottjl> Sparrow_: you've been silent for the past few hours i've been here. there was an active technical discussion going on. did you only stop on to be rude and try and stop that discussion?
[16:31] <scottjl> or did you actually have something useful to contribute?
[16:33] <Sparrow_> scottjl, Yes I told them to stopp the offtopic
[16:33] <scottjl> Sparrow_: not very useful or support friendly.
[16:34] <scottjl> go back to being quiet as you were.
[16:34] <elky> all of you stop
[16:34] <Sparrow_> scottjl, I point to my years an an OP of this channel and those contributions.  Whan you match a small portion of my contributions we can talk
[16:35] <Sparrow_> thanks elky
[16:35] <scottjl> Sparrow_: i really don't care if you can walk on water. you are rude and have horrible customer support if all you do is come on to tell people to be quiet because you don't like their discussion. it did start out as an ubuntu topic and digressed.
[16:36] <scottjl> it wasn't like they were discussing politics or the kardashians.
[16:36] <elky> i said all of you
[16:36] <nacc> kkunji: did someone send you the offtopic channel?
[16:37] <kkunji> nacc: Not today, :P, but I am aware of it, I'm not totally blameless but he just kept going.
[16:37] <nacc> kkunji: it's fine, just was checking
[16:38] <Night12> hey I just upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04 and now i get all network interfaces are umanged
[16:38] <Night12> how to i corret this
[16:39] <nacc> Night12: i assume you mean 16.04 -> 16.10 ->  17.04?
[16:39] <Night12> yeah
[16:39] <Night12> i changed line from lts to normal and did the rute
[16:39] <Night12> issues started wih 16.10
[16:40] <Night12> any idea nacc
[16:41] <Night12> i did edit the files in /etc/NetworkManger..... to true
[16:41] <Night12> and checkt interface file
[16:41] <Night12> all seams corret
[16:44] <nacc> Night12: if you change the NM config, did you restart NM?
[16:45] <blackflow> Night12: there was an askubuntu post floating around earlier about wired devices no longer being managed in 17.04
[16:46] <blackflow> ah, https://askubuntu.com/questions/905033/wired-network-device-not-managed-after-upgrade-to-17-04
[16:46] <opssssss> oerheks: i write command autoremove and now not restarted ]; https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24414862/
[16:47] <Night12> blackflow tx testing
[16:48] <Night12> and itt worked
[16:48] <Night12> thank you
[16:48] <Night12> that comment should be eidted to include a restart of network mager server
[16:50] <JonelethIrenicus> does ubuntu still have an app development channel?
[16:51] <Night12> all new ips to conf up in fw but it works atleas thank you s much BlackDex
[16:51] <Night12> blackflow
[16:54] <Nach0z> w last
[16:59] <Night12> Im off this crappy clinet and back on my proper  meh mirc sucks
[16:59] <Night_> here we g
[17:00] <Night_> than kyou for your help, that issue made no sense for me,
[17:02] <Optimus_Prime> anybody know a channel for general tech support?
[17:03] <Night_> Optimus_Prime:  what i your issue related to
[17:03] <Optimus_Prime> Well I am trying to create a partioned usb so I can have a few bootable isos on it
[17:04] <Optimus_Prime> but I appear to have made the disk inaccesable to myself
[17:04] <implite> nultiwriter
[17:04] <Optimus_Prime> so i tried re-formatting it, but the error still there
[17:04] <implite> oops
[17:04] <implite> multiwriter is what i use to make bootable usbs
[17:04] <Optimus_Prime> alright I'll give that a go, ty
[17:05] <Optimus_Prime> ahhh I'm just trying to write it to one usb, not multiple
[17:06] <Optimus_Prime> just using different paritions
[17:06] <implite> let me know if you need help with it
[17:06] <implite> this will do one at a time also
[17:07] <exnihilo> join #drupal
[17:08] <Sparrow_> a dual boot flash drive should be possible but the standard image writer wont be enough
[17:09] <Night_> Am I the only one who prefers output format of ifconfig over ip?
[17:09] <Night_> "ip a" looks like a mess compared to ifconfig
[17:09] <implite> you make the iso you need first with the multiple partitions first then use the multiwriter to do what you want
[17:10] <implite> i have used it with hirens bootcd and others
[17:10] <paco_> hola
[17:11] <paco_> todos de golpe no  hace falta
[17:14] <krypto_> Night_ you're not wrong
[17:17] <pavlos> bonsaitree: here
[17:19] <paradox1> exit
[17:21] <i-make-robots> I have just renewed my ssl cert.  the old expires in a month.  I have the new CRT ready to put on my server.  if I install it today, will there be any issue?  I mean, do I have to install it the day the old CRT expires?
[17:23] <test_> Hi
[17:24] <elky> i-make-robots: pretty sure unless it has a "not before" date, it should be fine. check with the issuer if you want to be absolutely certain
[17:24] <test_> I have certmonger failed at booting
[17:24] <test_> now im in single user mode
[17:24] <test_> can you guys help me
[17:25] <elky> test_: you'll probably need to explain what you did to certmonger, and how it is failing (eg error message)
[17:26] <sara12> @elky : my user raised a case
[17:26] <sara12> while booting certmonger error and stoped
[17:27] <sara12> how to check and troubleshoot
[17:28] <elky> sara12: i've never used certmonger and that's not enough information for me to be able to google for you, sorry
[17:29] <sara12> elky: atleast tell me where to check logs in single user mode
[17:32] <elky> sara12: are they not in /var/log/ with other logs?
[17:33] <elky> sara12: if they're not they're probably in syslog
[17:37] <ycyclist> I think the debian line has a suite to fill in install parameters that have special GUI prompts.  Like for instance the mysql install asks for password.
[17:37] <ycyclist> Please I cannot recall the name of that facility.
[17:38] <ycyclist> Oh, I think it's debconf.  Does that sound correct?
[17:39] <compdoc> never heard of it
[17:39] <nacc> ycyclist: debconf is how package configuration works, yes
[17:43] <Infiltrat0r> Hi all, Id like to know if it would be possible to have a headless server acting as a router inside a Virtualized environement. eth1 would be connected to a firewall and internal 10.1.1.0/24 network and the eth1 would be connected to another firewall and a 10.20.1.0/24 internal network
[17:43] <selsper> on my laptop i keep trying to install software using ubuntu software thing, and the installations keep freezing
[17:43] <selsper> any ideas?
[17:44] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, could be as simple as a timeout
[17:44] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, have you tryed with apt-get install?
[17:44] <tim_> some packets take alot time to install
[17:44] <selsper> no, just wondering why software center would keep doing that thou
[17:45] <nacc> selsper: which gui are you using? can you take a screenshot?
[17:45] <nacc> !screenshot | selsper
[17:45] <selsper> well its my otherlap top
[17:45] <selsper> trying to install irc..
[17:45] <selsper> lol
[17:46] <Infiltrat0r> my setup is network(10.1.1.0/24) -> router(10.1.1.1) -> (headless router)172.16.4.56 -> (other firewall)172.16.4.66 -> (network)10.20.1.0/24
[17:46] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, apt-get install Hexchat
[17:47] <Infiltrat0r> or whatever irc client you like
[17:47] <selsper> its 16.04 , fresh install
[17:47] <selsper> only other software i have installed is vlc, and stacer
[17:48] <Infiltrat0r> terminal will help you better understand what going on
[17:48] <selsper> ok
[17:51] <elichai2> Hi
[17:51] <elichai2> I'm looking for a new DE to replace Unity
[17:51] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, gnome?
[17:51] <selsper> unable to install using terminal as its already trying to install, via the software center
[17:51] <selsper> and i cant see how to stop the software center
[17:52] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, top, get the software center pid
[17:52] <Infiltrat0r> kill it
[17:52] <elichai2> Infiltrat0r: No, I hate it, I have it on a computer with Kali and I really don't like it
[17:52] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, kk what dont you like about gnome and unity?
[17:53] <selsper> how do I do that Infiltrat0r
[17:53] <elichai2> Infiltrat0r: mostly the applications launcher
[17:53] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, hold on
[17:53] <elichai2> (when you click the winkey)
[17:53] <selsper> roger
[17:53] <Infiltrat0r> in terminal type top
[17:54] <elichai2> the application launcher is laggy
[17:55] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, ps -aux | software
[17:56] <Infiltrat0r> you should have a gnome-sofware in there
[17:56] <elichai2> you mean `grep software`
[17:56] <elichai2> elichai2  5364  0.0  0.9 1331404 114912 ?      Sl   18 Apr   0:06 /usr/bin/gnome-software --gapplication-service
[17:56] <Infiltrat0r> kill it with the kill command with the ID of the process
[17:56] <Infiltrat0r> kill 5364
[17:56] <elichai2> ok
[17:57] <Infiltrat0r> then try again to apt-get install hexchat
[17:57] <elichai2> I think you're talking to selsper not to me
[17:58] <Infiltrat0r> yea selsper sorry
[17:58] <Infiltrat0r> oops got confused :P
[17:59] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, do in terminal : ps -aux | grep software
[18:01] <selsper> one sec
[18:02] <selsper> cant find that linebar on keyboard lmao
[18:03] <selsper> ok g
[18:03] <selsper> got two replies back
[18:04] <Infiltrat0r> paste the output
[18:04] <nacc> !pastebin
[18:05] <Infiltrat0r> nacc even for 2 lines? Sorry
[18:05] <Infiltrat0r> selsper, there should be a line that says /usr/bin/gnome-software
[18:07] <selsper2> https://pastebin.com/qA7by9ym
[18:07] <Joel> geh, is there a vim enhanced or something in 16.04? whatever comes in now doesn't share registers among files, etc.
[18:07] <nacc> Infiltrat0r: was just a reminder and people can use their judgment
[18:07] <Infiltrat0r> do a kill 1910 in terminal
[18:07] <Infiltrat0r> nacc ok cool
[18:07] <Infiltrat0r> selsper2, kill 1910
[18:08] <Joel> I have vim-common/tiny, I don't see anything like an enhanced or something
[18:08] <selsper2> i did
[18:08] <Joel> hah bet I'm just looking for 'vim'
[18:08] <Infiltrat0r> selsper2, then retry apt-get install hexchat
[18:08] <ksbalaji> alsa working in 16.04 but pa not working - hence no system sounds - help.
[18:08] <selsper2> well im actually trying to install inkscape
[18:09] <Infiltrat0r> selsper2, that works too :)
[18:09] <selsper2> https://pastebin.com/BJNWC37F
[18:09] <nacc> Joel: yeah, i was just going to say that
[18:09] <nacc> Joel: as it'll pull in all the plugins and 'full', iirc
[18:09] <selsper2> thats when i try run: sudo apt install inkscape
[18:10] <Infiltrat0r> sudo apt-get install inkscape
[18:10] <selsper2> but in the laucher bar, there is an inkscape icon, that is stuck on loading/ installing or something
[18:10] <selsper2> from trying to install it from software center
[18:10] <selsper2> and idk how to stop that
[18:11] <Infiltrat0r> selsper2, apt-get remove inkscape
[18:11] <Infiltrat0r> selsper2, sudo apt0-get remove inkscape
[18:11] <StClaws> Any improval of wifi functionality in Ubuntu 17?
[18:11] <selsper2> lol brb im gnna reboot
[18:12] <ksbalaji> 16.04 system sound config help please?
[18:12] <nacc> StClaws: that's far too broad of a question to be answered, i think
[18:12] <nacc> StClaws: for instance, i have not had any wifi problems with ubuntu -- so i don't know what you're referring to
[18:12] <Sparrow_> StClaws, turn of ipv6, if atheros chipset switch to software crypt etc
[18:13] <elichai2> Infiltrat0r: you have any ideas for me? (about DE and my problems with unity/gnome)
[18:14] <sbur1> I have wifi recognized, but to the which I am unable to connect. Any suggestions?
[18:14] <StClaws> Well, just wondered if anyone knew if they did any work on the wireless. So much problems in 16.04. And many others had that too. As for me, I have an Intel Wireless 3165 and had to turn off 11n to even get it to work at all. But the signal is much lower than Windows on the same machine, and it still hangs and slows down terribly now and then.
[18:14] <nacc> StClaws: right, that's a far more specific question, at least
[18:14] <selsper> use wired where possible
[18:14] <nacc> StClaws: did "they" do "any work"? yes
[18:14] <nacc> selsper: why?
[18:14] <Sparrow_> sbur1, what wifi chipset
[18:15] <selsper> many reasons
[18:15] <selsper> more secure, faster, lower latency
[18:15] <sbur1> Atheros TP-Link
[18:15] <Sparrow_> Find Network Card Chipset:  "sudo lshw -C network"   in a terminal it will show the networking card/chipset
[18:15] <nacc> selsper: ok ... but clearly in the context of a user asking about wifi -- saying 'use wired' isn't support.
[18:15] <Sparrow_> sbur1, it is an easy fic for atheros
[18:16] <Sparrow_> fix
[18:16] <sbur1> Sparrow_  TL-W821N
[18:16] <sbur1> Sparrow_  I'm all ears
[18:16] <Sparrow_> I dont recognize that model
[18:16] <Sparrow_>  but easy to test
[18:17] <sbur1> Sparrow_ What do I need to tell you about the chipset? And what commands to test?
[18:17] <sbur1> Sparrow_ Want my lsusb info?
[18:17] <Sparrow_> where you have quiet and splash on boot change to nohwcrypt=1
[18:18] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, I havent had any issue with either of them I use kali on a daily basis and my main box is ubuntu with unity and its flawless
[18:18] <Night_> great
[18:18] <Night_> this is gonna take tme
[18:18] <Night_> 853 packages can be updated.
[18:18] <elichai2> Infiltrat0r: you use the application launcher?
[18:18] <elichai2> It's laggy for me so I use kaupfer
[18:18] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, you have a good pc?
[18:19] <elichai2> laptop, 12gb ram and i7-4700MQ
[18:19] <elichai2> and the OS is on a 120GB SSD
[18:19] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, yea shouldnt be any issues then :P
[18:19] <elichai2> yep
[18:19] <selsper> thanks Infiltrat0r
[18:19] <sbur1> Sparrow_ If you walk me through the change, cuz I'm a Noob. And what will nohwcrypt=1 do for me?
[18:19] <StClaws> I understand wifi cards are not easy to make fully working, since they are made for Win & Mac and basically have to be reverse engineered in many cases. But it would be so nice to have a smoothly working Linux. Trying very hard to escape from Apple-land.
[18:20] <Night_> it has been a few years snce that was the case
[18:20] <Sparrow_> sbur1, atheros has issues with wifi encryption and we are turning off hardware encryption in favor of software mode, I also disable ipv6 etc
[18:20] <Night_> modern works pretty well
[18:20] <nacc> StClaws: you could try 17.04 in a live usb
[18:21] <Night_> Sparrow_:  why on earth disable v6
[18:21] <StClaws> Nacc: Yeah, dl right now.
[18:21] <Sparrow_> Night_, for the most part not implemented
[18:21] <Night_> on your end or isp end?
[18:21] <Sparrow_> My end
[18:22] <Night_> id rather dsable v4 and use nat64
[18:23] <Sparrow_> Your choice..  np
[18:23] <sbur1> Sparrow_ Night_  No fighting over me. What freaks me out is that when I look at my networks, mine is there. But I can't connect to it
[18:24] <Night_> i was not fighting
[18:24] <Sparrow_> sbur1, if you turn of encryption in your router config you will get a connect
[18:24] <Night_> did you upgrade recently?
[18:25] <Sparrow_> Night_, can you tell him how to set nohwcrypt=1 on boot, I need to take five
[18:25] <sbur1> Sparrow_ Night_  But can you share a link to do nohwcrypt? and can I do it offline? I have a desktop, but am communicating with my tablet
[18:25] <Sparrow_> One sec
[18:25] <Night_> nano /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
[18:25] <Night_> should be enough Spr0cket
[18:25] <Night_> Sparrow_:
[18:26] <Sparrow_> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=88449
[18:26] <Sparrow_> Forget that one
[18:29] <sbur1> Sparrow_  Forget ... who ... what? My Atheros shows AR7010 + AR9287
[18:29] <adnanovic182> how to ssh connect?
[18:30] <nacc> !details | adnanovic182
[18:30] <adnanovic182> how to ssh connect?
[18:30] <nacc> adnanovic182: `ssh <server>`
[18:30] <sbur1> Sparrow_  And the link said it doesn't work with 9xxx
[18:30] <nacc> adnanovic182: but your question is too broad, i think, please provide details
[18:30] <adnanovic182> yes
[18:31] <adnanovic182> can i install KDE DESKTOP on UBUNTU mate
[18:31] <Mathisen> yes
[18:31] <Infiltrat0r> adnanovic182, yes or you could tryout kubuntu
[18:32] <adnanovic182> but id like to use it without installing kubuntu
[18:32] <sbur1> adnanovic182 The desktop is the skin, so Gnome, Kde, ...  it's your choice
[18:32] <Infiltrat0r> then install kde on ubuntu
[18:33] <Mathisen> adnanovic182, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:33] <adnanovic182> i typed sudo apt-get install kde .....
[18:33] <adnanovic182> but it doesent work
[18:33] <adnanovic182> it says unable to locate package
[18:34] <nacc> adnanovic182: right, becuase 'kde' is not a package
[18:34] <elichai2> any suggestions how to optmizise the applications launcher?
[18:34] <elichai2> (the winkey thing)
[18:34] <sahi> which is the oldest version of Ubuntu desktop that a lot of people still use?
[18:34] <Mathisen> adnanovic182, kubuntu-desktop install that, it includes KDE with default programs
[18:34] <adnanovic182> thanks MATHISEN it worked
[18:34] <Bashing-om> !kde | adnanovic182
[18:35] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, not sure what the winkey thing is
[18:35] <nacc> Bashing-om: thanks :)
[18:36] <elichai2> Infiltrat0r: lol I mean this: https://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/05/07/35b3b9b0-f4ad-11e4-940f-14feb5cc3d2a/screenshot-from-2013-06-16-131424.png what pops up when you press the "Windows Key"
[18:36] <Bashing-om> nacc: Just a lurk'n .. watching our world go by .
[18:37] <slyrus> after updating to 17.04 DNS has stopped working for me. Is there a good way to reconfigure all of the various networking/NetworkManager/resolv.conf/dnsmasq stuff?
[18:37] <adnanovic182> thank you all
[18:37] <sbur1> Sparrow_  How do I get the drivers for AR7010+AR9287 (ath9k) I believe on to a desktop that can't connect to the internet?
[18:37] <adnanovic182> just one more question
[18:37] <slyrus> my DNS server works on 127.0.1.1, but resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.53, which doesn't work
[18:38] <adnanovic182> are u guys working  working with ubuntu support?
[18:38] <platinum_> hi
[18:38] <Sparrow_> by changing quiet splash on boot
[18:38] <sbur1> anyone else wanna help me ... and get rid of me, a pest?
[18:39] <nacc> adnanovic182: this is a volunteer-driven channel
[18:39] <sbur1> Sparrow_ the solution says it doesn't work with AR9xxx
[18:39] <adnanovic182> so i can also help ? nacc
[18:39] <Infiltrat0r> adnanovic182, yes
[18:40] <sbur1> Sparrow_ but I'm willing to try that
[18:40] <nacc> adnanovic182: absolutely, just listen for issues you can help with :)
[18:41] <Infiltrat0r> slyrus, 127.0.0.0/8 should always be working its the loopback address, is your DNS server on your local machine?
[18:41] <adnanovic182> nice ,is this room  worldwide ?
[18:41] <Infiltrat0r> adnanovic182, intergalactic!!
[18:41] <sahi> planetary
[18:42] <slyrus> Infiltrat0r: I think so. I'm running dnsmasq if that's what you're asking.
[18:42] <sahi> which is the oldest version of Ubuntu desktop that a lot of people still use?
[18:42] <generic> what is the name of the network-applet deb ?
[18:42] <adnanovic182> sahi: 12.04
[18:42] <sahi> adnanovic182: how do you know that?
[18:43] <slyrus> I feel like I'm in a maze of half-baked solutions to DNS resolution... (systemd, network-manager, dnsmasq, bind (?), etc...)
[18:43] <nacc> sahi: 12.04 is still supported for a bit, but is about to go EOL
[18:43] <generic> i have network-manager
[18:43] <generic> but i miss the frontend
[18:43] <sahi> are there stats of which ubuntu versions are in use by how many people?
[18:44] <Bashing-om> adnanovic182: Uh huh .. we run on the Mar's Rover, and also on the space probes, and on the shuttles . Yeah ! intergalactic !
[18:44] <slyrus> should /etc/resolv.conf be a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf ?
[18:44] <nacc> sahi: not really, that i know of -- not really relevant in the support channel either
[18:45] <slyrus> or /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[18:45] <Infiltrat0r> elichai2, k thats the dashboard, might be a problem with the blur effect look at google for unity dashboard speed
[18:45] <nacc> slyrus: the latter by default iirc
[18:45] <Bashing-om> slyrus: " sysop@x1604:~$ ls -al /etc/resolv.conf
[18:45] <lewix> how to i find the path to bash
[18:46] <slyrus> Bashing-om: right. It's the latter. just checking what it should be.
[18:46] <lewix> cat <(comand) <(comand) => is that only available in bash?
[18:46] <nacc> lewix: do you mean `which bash` ?
[18:46] <Infiltrat0r> lewix, usualy /bin/bash
[18:46] <Bashing-om>  slyrus .... >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Oct 16  2016 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf " .
[18:46] <slyrus> yeah, exactly
[18:47] <slyrus> but I don't think resolvconf is running
[18:47] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Did you see the pastebin i posted?
[18:47] <pavlos> bonsaitree: could you resend
[18:47] <sahi> what does "preinstalled" mean in ubuntu.iso filenames?
[18:48] <bonsaitree> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24414432/
[18:48] <nacc> slyrus: on my system, it's a symlink there as well, but resolvconf process is not running
[18:48] <nacc> slyrus: and everything is fine
[18:48] <slyrus> right, resolv.conf is not running here either.
[18:49] <pavlos> bonsaitree: I saw that, seems it does not pick your firmware which should be in /lib/firmware/
[18:49] <nacc> slyrus: it's possible that systemd-resolve is somehow writing to the resolvconf directory by default
[18:49] <nacc> slyrus: that way there was less breakage to the default configuration
[18:49] <pavlos> bonsaitree: In that dir, there are iwlwifi code files but nothing for 6200
[18:49] <Bashing-om> slyrus: " sysop@x1604:~$ systemctl staus resolvconf >> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/resolvconf.service; enabled; vendor pr
[18:49] <Bashing-om>    Active: active (exited) since Wed 2017-04-19 12:45:22 CDT; 1h 2min ago"
[18:50] <evaactress289> hi
[18:50] <pavlos> bonsaitree: Is there an option in software & updates, additional drivers to update your wifi?
[18:50] <nacc> Bashing-om: yep, and systemd-resolved is 'running'
[18:51] <pavlos> bonsaitree: the strange thing is you said it was working before so what changed? kernel update?
[18:51] <bonsaitree> pavlos, just a sec
[18:51] <pavlos> bonsaitree: just thinking out loud
[18:51] <evaactress289> how are u all?
[18:51] <slyrus> adding 127.0.1.1 to /etc/resolv.conf "fixes" things temporarily, but feels wrong...
[18:52] <nacc> slyrus: so systemd-resolved is what's failing?
[18:53] <nacc> slyrus: note that you can query systemd-resolve directly
[18:53] <nacc> slyrus: `systemd-resolve <hostname>`
[18:53] <slyrus> right, that's what's failing
[18:53] <nacc> slyrus: there is an issue, iirc, with dnssec for some folks that will get reverted sometime soon
[18:53] <nacc> slyrus: are you seeing a dnssec failure?
[18:53] <slyrus> hmm... DNSSEC validation failed
[18:53] <nacc> :)
[18:53] <bonsaitree> pavlos, http://i.imgur.com/nHtwWzx.png
[18:53] <nacc> slyrus: let me find how to disable it one sec
[18:54] <nacc> slyrus: /etc/systemd/resolved.conf DNSSEC=no
[18:54] <nacc> slyrus: there will be a systemd update in 17.04 that will disable it again, as it turns out the internet's not ready for it )
[18:54] <nacc> :)
[18:54] <pavlos> bonsaitree: ok so there are no additional drivers
[18:54] <Bashing-om> slyrus: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358660 <- How to no connectivity Ubuntu DNS problem [fix] .
[18:55] <pavlos> bonsaitree: I assume your system is up-to-date with update/upgrade
[18:55] <slyrus> awesome! thanks nacc!
[18:55] <anddam> hello
[18:56] <anddam> can Universal Access > Large Text setting be applied per-screen? I have very different dpi monitors
[18:56] <Sbur1> Sparrow_ I did what the link said. Now, do I need to reboot first or can I try to use Wifi?
[18:56] <nacc> slyrus: yw, i'd check that forum post if htat's what they'd recommend there too
[18:57] <rhollan> How can I disable usb automounting in 16.04? I tried gconf-editor on the desktop media control options, but it didn't help
[18:57] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Yes, i did that a week ago i think
[19:00] <evaactress289> hmm
[19:00] <pavlos> bonsaitree: can you pastebin, modinfo iwlwifi
[19:00] <evaactress289> how can i get wine?
[19:00] <evaactress289> install?
[19:00] <anddam> apt search wine
[19:01] <Bashing-om> !info wine | evaactress289
[19:01] <evaactress289> its not there
[19:01] <evaactress289> im a new user tho
[19:01] <nacc> i think you want wine-stable in 17.04
[19:01] <ducasse> evaactress289: which ubuntu version?
[19:01] <evaactress289> 17.04
[19:01] <evaactress289> the lastesd
[19:01] <evaactress289> lasted
[19:02] <ducasse> evaactress289: then nacc is right, wine-stable
[19:02] <nacc> evaactress289: if you do `sudo apt install wine`, it tells you more messages
[19:02] <bonsaitree> pavlos: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24415500/
[19:02] <nacc> evaactress289: not sure how well the gui package installers deal with metapackages that aren't 'provided' by actual packages
[19:03] <nacc> hrmm, actually they are provided, you just have to pick
[19:03] <evaactress289> ooh
[19:03] <Bashing-om> !info wine1.6 | evaactress289
[19:03] <bonsaitree> pavlos:Just to ask, isn't disabling the N functionality imply slower link speeds?
[19:03] <rhollan> ARGH I can't disable usb automount
[19:03] <bonsaitree> implying*
[19:04] <evaactress289> im using am64
[19:04] <pavlos> bonsaitree: correct but I see postings that the driver for the 6200 is not good and it reverts to an older one with less performance
[19:04] <nacc> evaactress289: i think you have what you need now?
[19:04] <evaactress289> ?
[19:04] <pavlos> bonsaitree: I have the 5300 and it loads/works fines
[19:04] <pavlos> bonsaitree: fine
[19:05] <nacc> evaactress289: install one of the packages providing wine
[19:05] <nacc> evaactress289: you said "ooh" to no one, which implied to me that you looked at the output of `sudo apt install wine`
[19:05] <alumno__> hello
[19:05] <bonsaitree> pavlos:As far as i can recall, i was deleting firmware for other wi-fi card models. Maybe they were used instead of the 6200 and now they are gone, and i'm left with the bad drivers.
[19:07] <evaactress289> hmm not sure :/
[19:08] <nacc> !who | evaactress289
[19:08] <pavlos> bonsaitree: maybe you can boot off a live usb, copy the /lib/firmware/iwlwifi* to an external usb, then push them to your existing system
[19:08] <evaactress289> nacc, okey
[19:08] <bonsaitree> pavlos:That's what came to me as an idea now also
[19:09] <bonsaitree> pavlos:I will do that
[19:09] <Term1nal> After updating to 17.04 from 16.10, now when clicking on links for say, imgur (with .jpg or.png, etc, at the end of the URL), instead of opening my browser, GIMP opens up and loads the image from the given URL.
[19:09] <pavlos> bonsaitree: unless someone can tarball that dir and send it to you via cloud
[19:09] <Term1nal> (links from within my IRC client, Konversation)
[19:10] <pavlos> bonsaitree: you might also find it in the live usb, in some pool/ dir
[19:11] <bonsaitree> pavlos:Thanks for the suggestions. Btw, in my system, in /lib/firmware there is only one .ucode file and nothing more
[19:12] <pavlos> bonsaitree: I have 52 iwlwifi* files in my dir
[19:13] <bonsaitree> pavlos:Let me also ask if i "installed" the ucode correctly. As far as i've been reading online, there is no "installation" but you just place the .ucode file in /lib/firmware and you are set. Is that the correct way?
[19:13] <pavlos> bonsaitree: that's correct. Upon reboot, it will search and load the appropriate driver
[19:14] <pavlos> bonsaitree: found this https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi there is a tarball for 6200, see it that may help you
[19:14] <pavlos> bonsaitree: uses 2.6.30+ driver
[19:15] <pavlos> bonsaitree: based on iwlwifi-6000
[19:16] <bonsaitree> pavlos:I will place the 3 versions for the 6200-N in /lib/firmware, but how do i know which one is used at the moment by the card?
[19:17] <pavlos> bonsaitree: according to that page, it will load the most current, iwlwifi-6000-ucode-9.176.4.1.tgz
[19:18] <rhollan> ARGH! who is still automounting my usb drives?!?
[19:18] <bonsaitree> pavlos:Isn't 221.4.1 the most current?
[19:18] <bonsaitree> higher != newer?
[19:19] <pavlos> bonsaitree: I looked for 6200, then on the right there are 3 tarballs, picked the first one
[19:19] <bonsaitree> pavlos, I assumed that you should be guided by the numbers
[19:19] <bonsaitree> I mean, one* should be guided by the numbers
[19:20] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Okay i will try that now, brb
[19:20] <pavlos> I extracted that tarball, it provides iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode
[19:20] <rhollan> CAn anyone tell me how to disable automount of USB devices in 16.04.2? dconf-editor disabling doesn't seem to do it
[19:22] <rhollan> Can anyone tell me how to disable usb automounting in 16.04.2?
[19:22] <nacc> !patience | rhollan
[19:22] <rhollan> I wasn't sure if I was being seen. Sorry. My id is grayed out for some reason.
[19:22] <rhollan> I've tried the dconf-editor recomendation and it is not enough.
[19:22] <nacc> rhollan: have you logged out/in after making the change?
[19:23] <rhollan> yes, and rebooted
[19:23] <nacc> rhollan: and/or rebooted
[19:23] <nacc> rhollan: ok
[19:23] <rhollan> But, I can try again.
[19:23] <rhollan> I'm wondering if systemd is giving me grief but there are no .automount services
[19:23] <nacc> rhollan: are your usb disks in /etc/fstab by any chance?
[19:26] <rhollan> tried logging out again, just for good measure. Settings in dconf-editor show automount and automount open disabled but it still automounts
[19:26] <bonsaitree> pavlos, Nope, still the same. I don't like to do it the Windows-way, i want to find the root of the problem.
[19:26] <mg__> will fira mono be packaged by any chance in the near future? pretty please
[19:27] <rhollan> so frustrating: i am trying to burn a bootable Win10 USB and everytime it automounts the copying messes up
[19:27] <mg__> it's a font btw
[19:28] <pavlos> bonsaitree: if "dmesg | grep iwl" still complains not finding the driver, see if you can find the whole /lib/firware/iwlwifi*
[19:28] <johnfg> hi guys
[19:28] <johnfg> Just installed server 17.04 in a vm.
[19:29] <johnfg> How would I search what desktops I could install with apt-cache?  (just read this morning about unity being discontinued).
[19:29] <Random832> johnfg, i mean it helps to know the name of desktop environments
[19:29] <mg__> with apt-cache i doubt you can install anything, try apt or apt-get
[19:30] <nacc> johnfg: `apt-cache search desktop` ?
[19:30] <Random832> if you want a "full" desktop with its own supported ubuntu variant you could go with kde/lxde/xfce
[19:30] <nacc> mg__: they asked how to search not to install, technically
[19:30] <Random832> which are kubuntu lubuntu xubuntu respectively
[19:30] <nacc> johnfg: although note that `apt search desktop` is the new form :) (apt encompasses apt-cache)
[19:30] <Random832> and i think maybe there's a gnome one?
[19:30] <Southern_Gentlem> johnfg, unity is not going away till 18
[19:30] <johnfg> nacc: that's kinda what I was thinking, to see what's there.  I'm used to debian.
[19:30] <nacc> and it's not going away
[19:31] <nacc> it just won't be the default
[19:31] <johnfg> Southern_Gentlem: Yeah, I saw that, but figured why get started with something that Ubuntu won't be continuing.
[19:31] <Random832> and MATE which is like an old fork of gnome i don't know
[19:32] <nacc> Random832: ubuntu-gnome-desktop iirc
[19:32] <nacc> johnfg: again, it's continuing
[19:32] <nacc> johnfg: don't confuse canonical and ubuntu
[19:32] <johnfg> So, what would the command be to install the unity desktop, so I can give it a try?
[19:33] <mg__> just do a sudo apt-get install unity- and tab tab until you get what you want
[19:34] <nacc> johnfg: i think it's just `sudo apt install unity`
[19:35] <mg__> nacc, yeah that's right http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/unity
[19:35] <johnfg> One of the nice things about a vm...I can easily trash it and start over, before going into production as a real server!
[19:35] <johnfg> Thanks for the help guys!
[19:36] <nacc> johnfg: although i will also say -- why are you installing desktops on a server
[19:36] <johnfg> nacc: I knew that would be coming, I always get that question.
[19:36] <nacc> johnfg: it's ok ifyou have a good reason; just not everyone does, so i like to poke on it
[19:36] <johnfg> Well, my main server now is debian, and has been for quite a few versions, at least back to lenny.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> there are purists about ... ;-)
[19:37] <johnfg> And I've always had it as a desktop too, not, perhaps, being able to afford a dedicated server.
[19:37] <indistylo> I am getting low disk space warning: https://ibb.co/dzxgkk, Can someone help how to get rid of it, disk stats, df and du profiles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24415682/, How to know the root cause? Kindly suggest solution for disk fill up
[19:37] <adnanovic182> hi i installed kde desktop on ubuntu mate
[19:37] <adnanovic182> now i have a probleme kde plasma wont start
[19:38] <adnanovic182> and my mate desktop is misbehaving
[19:38] <nacc> indistylo: it's your /var presumably
[19:38] <adnanovic182> theme have changed and i see some kde app on mate
[19:39] <nacc> indistylo: what is /var/log/pcp ?
[19:39] <adnanovic182> hi i installed kde desktop on ubuntu mate
[19:39] <nacc> indistylo: also, your /usr/lib and /usr/share are rather large
[19:39] <nacc> !patience | adnanovic182
[19:39] <anddam> nacc: also his /usr is big
[19:39] <adnanovic182> now i have a probleme kde plasma wont start
[19:40] <indistylo> nacc, Can you go through paste.ubuntu.com link? there you can see the stats
[19:40] <nacc> indistylo: yes, i just responded to it?
[19:40] <anddam> nacc: look harder!
[19:41] <nacc> anddam: yeah, i think the /usr size is all from /usr/lib and /usr/share, which appear to be about twice what my system is consumig
[19:41] <anddam> indistylo: his question was "what's in /var/log/pcp?", how's looking at the pastebin going to answer that?
[19:41] <indistylo> nacc, I cant conclude anything from that
[19:41] <nacc> indistylo: what do you mean?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> guess autoremove won't help
[19:43] <nacc> indistylo: it quite explicitly shows you what is using the space
[19:43] <anddam> BluesKaj: it could, but who knows
[19:44] <scottjl> ncdu is great for finding out what's taking up space
[19:44] <BluesKaj> anddam:  he's crossposting anyway and told to run apt-get clean
[19:44] <nacc> scottjl: good reference
[19:44] <adnanovic182> anyone!!?
[19:44] <anddam> BluesKaj: ah that may explain it, answering to people but addressing other people on other chans. That's going to be effective
[19:45] <indistylo> nacc, anddam : /var/log/pcp : https://paste.debian.net/928434/
[19:45] <yunyang> I tried to use Matlab 2017a deep learning toolbox on Ubuntu16.04 to import caffe model, it showed errors. The question is posted on stackoverflow (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43504609/importcaffenetwork-by-matlab-2017a-deep-learning-toolbox). Anyone can take a look at this issue? Thx
[19:46] <anddam> indistylo: I wasn't asking for that, I read it's Cockpit's log directory
[19:47] <indistylo> anddam, ok thanks for pointing that, can you make me understand is it safe to delete it?
[19:47] <anddam> indistylo: I'd focus on the most demanding folders, no reason to head -40
[19:47] <anddam> you need to clear space in /usr and /var
[19:48] <anddam> or, get a bigger root partition since space is cheap nowadays
[19:48] <anddam> but 28G is quite a lot, IMHO
[19:48] <nacc> indistylo: i didn't say what was in it, i was asking what it was
[19:48] <anddam> indistylo: I cannot really say it's safe to delete, I mean it's a log folder so the program won't be affected but only you can tell how important the log is
[19:49] <pavlos> bonsaitree: try, sudo apt install linux-firmware (that should populate the /lib/firmware/ tree
[19:49] <anddam> indistylo:   sudo du -hsx /* 2> /dev/null | sort -rh | head -5
[19:50] <anddam> indistylo: plenty enough for making some room
[19:50] <indistylo> anddam, nacc thanks a lot for helping out and suggesting the way
[19:50] <anddam> indistylo: do the du trick on  /usr/* and /var/*
[19:59] <InventorTechie> I am trying to remove grub from a dual boot ubuntu + win 10 setup as I am selling the laptop. I can't get grub to stop showing up as an option in the bios, but have booted to a live ubuntu , and removed the ubuntu folder within the EFI folders... still no luck, also ran the Bootrec.exe with options /FixMbr /FixBoot.... no luck... anyone have any ideas?
[19:59] <gurur> hey
[20:02] <Bashing-om> !info efibootmgr | InventorTechie
[20:02] <freddyp> Hey I am new to this chat room but have seen in the last few days many users having internet issues down to the dns resolver issue in 17.04.  It can be resolved by manualy editing settings via the command line for ther network interface. But I have found a gnome app that is easier for the newbie to use. sudo apt get install sudo apt-get install gnome-network-admin
[20:03] <InventorTechie> So I can run efibootmgr from a live usb, and configure/update from there?
[20:09] <rektide> During my upgrades from 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04, gtk's font picker stopped showing my favorite fonts- M+, Ricty Dimished.
[20:09] <rektide> This is making me super sad. Anyone have steps to maybe remediate this?
[20:09] <InventorTechie> Got it - I am running efibootmgr now, should be able to do what I need. TY TY
[20:13] <InventorTechie> @Bashing-om It worked ;-) , thanks
[20:21] <p3rror> Hello,
[20:21] <p3rror> is there any tools that return the vulnerable package and cve
[20:22] <oerheks> apt-get changelog <package>  would show CVE info, if available
[20:23] <aj_> Anyone know anywhere to get decent support for YateBTS?
[20:23] <aj_> Or a demo?
[20:23] <oerheks> aj_, we are not the yellow pages, try !alis
[20:23] <oerheks> !alis
[20:23] <aj_> Some man for one man thank you
[20:24] <aj_> !alis
[20:26] <p3rror> oerheks, I need a tools that will print all package that need to be updated and CVE
[20:28] <oerheks> p3rror, there is no such tool that does both. You would need to do a dry update run, and check manually. ( or write the tool yourself )
[20:31] <oerheks> sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable # this might help you fetch a list
[20:32] <jrewing> HI! Im new in linux and Im trying to install a PXE-server on ubuntu and I follow the guide and I get error that installation dont find the package?
[20:35] <Linuxgeek311> Why is it saying my password is wrong when I try to identify
[20:35] <Linuxgeek311> On irc
[20:35] <Linuxgeek311> Weird
[20:35] <Linuxgeek311> msg/ NickServ identify Jemyork6!
[20:36] <Linuxgeek311> Wth
[20:36] <pavlos> Linuxgeek311: send that to the freenode channel, not here
[20:36] <oerheks> try "/msg etc" and change your password, this channel is logged
[20:36] <kostkon> Linuxgeek311, you're probably typing the wrong password. You can ask for help in #freenode
[20:37] <oerheks> jrewing, on what ubuntu version and what guid do you follow, maybe tell us what package?
[20:40] <Linuxgeek311> It was wrong Thanks
[20:40] <Linuxgeek311> Thanks for the help
[20:58] <DWSR> Hey all, I'm having difficulty moving a folder from one path to another on the same device. I'm getting "Access Denied" as root. What can I look at to try and identify why I'm not able to move it.
[21:01] <tgm4883> DWSR: same server (not network attached storage)? Different filesystems? Immutable?
[21:01] <DWSR> tgm4883: SMB mount.
[21:07] <latino31> im having an issue with freezing with ubuntu 17.04 ..i did not have issues with freezing in ubuntu 16.10...is there error logs that I can look at that may help
[21:10] <Bashing-om> latino31: Try in a new terminal ' journalctl -f ' To "watch" // maybe 'top' running  will show something .
[21:10] <kostkon> latino31, the logs in /var/log and the systemd journal with journalctl
[21:11] <DWSR> Hey all, I'm having difficulty moving a folder from one path to another on the same device (SMB mount). I'm getting "Access Denied" as root. What can I look at to try and identify why I'm not able to move it.
[21:14] <tgm4883> DWSR: did you mount it with inproper credentials?
[21:14] <nacc> DWSR: do you have write access to the SMB filesystem?
[21:14] <latino31> kostkon, the systemd journal is in /var/log?
[21:14] <DWSR> nacc: Permissions on the fs are fine, I have it mounted with the appropriate creds. I am able to move other files and folders around on the fs no problem, including other files and folders that were in the same path as this one.
[21:15] <tgm4883> DWSR: check logs on the samba server?
[21:15] <DWSR> tgm4883: Not possible.
[21:15] <nacc> DWSR: can you give, in a pastebin, an example of a working and failing case?
[21:15] <nacc> DWSR: with all output
[21:16] <kostkon> latino31, it's probably in binary form stored somewhere. use journalctl to access it.    man journalctl   for its manual page
[21:16] <tgm4883> DWSR: sounds like it's failing any time he tries to write to the SMB share
[21:16] <tgm4883> DWSR: which honestly sounds like a credentials issue
[21:17] <tgm4883> network share and can't write as root? More often than not you're not mounting it with credentials that have write permissions
[21:19] <DWSR> nacc: https://gist.github.com/DWSR/1dc7af99a281bd825d95d2734f51f64d
[21:19] <DWSR> nacc: The second command moved some folders located in the directory, but obviously not the one that is emitting the error.
[21:20] <tgm4883> DWSR: can you cp that file, rather than mv it?
[21:20] <nacc> DWSR: and they are not quite the same -- e.g., can you show that you are able to write to /mnt/ownclouddata/admin/files/3-Archived/ with mv for another path?
[21:20] <tgm4883> actually, why is it trying to copy it somewhere you didn't tell it to?
[21:21] <WDProblem> Not sure if this is the right place, but I tried formatting a WD passport drive with Ubuntu's disk tool for use as a general drive, but now my Windows install can't read it. Did I do something wrong? The partition is NTFS and the table is MSDOS
[21:21] <DWSR> tgm4883: Because I'm a moron and didn't redact the third line? :P
[21:22] <DWSR> nacc: touching a new file inside the target dir should tell me whether I can write or not, correct?
[21:22] <tgm4883> DWSR: my question still stands on the cp vs mv
[21:22] <tgm4883> DWSR: correct
[21:22] <nacc> DWSR: i'd say so, yeah
[21:23] <tomreyn> WDProblem: this sounds like it should have worked. if you're seeking help with reading a device on windows which works fine on ubuntu then you'd best head over to ##windows or something
[21:23] <DWSR> able to successfully write to it.
[21:23] <tgm4883> DWSR: Permission denied could also mean you can't delete the old file
[21:23] <nacc> tgm4883: oh good point
[21:23] <tgm4883> which is what I'm trying to determine
[21:24] <tgm4883> since a cp is going to just write. A mv is going to write and then delete
[21:24] <tomreyn> WDProblem: you could show a 'sudo parted -ls' if you'd like to double check on the partitioning you did.
[21:24] <DWSR> When trying to cp, I'm getting an error about "no such file or directory". The directory is "./.@__thumb/file.jpg"
[21:24] <tgm4883> I'm not sure what would happen if you tried to mv a file you couldn't delete. Would it delete the file from the destination? IDK
[21:25] <tgm4883> DWSR: are all the files that have this issue have special characters?
[21:25] <DWSR> tgm4883: Not sure, I only received the one error.
[21:25] <tgm4883> s/files/paths/
[21:25] <B0Tfather1986> use the absolut path can solve the Problem
[21:26] <ChaiTRex> DWSR: It simply avoids the problem and reports permission denied.
[21:26] <B0Tfather1986> i think
[21:27] <ChaiTRex> tgm4883: That's easy to test with files in /bin or something like that. It simply avoids the problem and reports permission denied.
[21:27] <tgm4883> DWSR: it doesn't give you more than one error? Does it return to a prompt?
[21:27] <DWSR> tgm4883: no and yes
[21:28] <tgm4883> ChaiTRex: yea I know, I'm actually sitting in a F5 class currently
[21:28] <WDProblem> @tomreyn Alright, I guess I'll go there. I can store files on it just fine from Linux but Windows doesn't even recognize it
[21:28] <tgm4883> ChaiTRex: yep, just permission denied
[21:29] <DWSR> tgm4883: Interesting. PowerShell is reporting that the item is in use.
[21:29] <tomreyn> WDProblem: good luck
[21:29] <tgm4883> DWSR: interesting, are you copying it from a SMB share, or to a SMB share?
[21:29] <DWSR> tgm4883: Within the same SMB share.
[21:30] <tgm4883> DWSR: some sort of media indexer/app on the SMB Share?
[21:30] <DWSR> tgm4883: Nope.
[21:30] <tgm4883> DWSR: I'm guessing this is some sort of NAS that has apps and such
[21:30] <DWSR> tgm4883: You would guess incorrectly.
[21:30] <tgm4883> that seems to be the new thing now
[21:30] <DWSR> This is an Azure Storage account.
[21:30] <tgm4883> DWSR: ah
[21:31] <tgm4883> DWSR: Have you tried not copying those special files?
[21:31] <nacc> well, if PowerShell (windows) is saying the file is in use, you probably can't move it
[21:31] <nacc> not sure
[21:31] <tgm4883> that would be my guess as well
[21:32] <DWSR> nacc: PS runs on Linux.
[21:32] <DWSR> nacc: I'm using PS Core directly on the Linux box.
[21:33] <tgm4883> DWSR: sounds like azure is doing stuff with the file
[21:33] <DWSR> Eh, it seems to only be the thumbs folder here.
[21:33] <DWSR> So I'll just ignore it.
[21:34] <tgm4883> DWSR: yep, probably some file browser in azure
[21:34] <nacc> DWSR: ok, you're in the ubuntu support channel, and powershell is not an ubuntu package ...
[21:34] <nacc> DWSR: so ... have to make assumptions about what you're running
[21:34] <tgm4883> nacc: I think that was just a reference
[21:35] <nacc> tgm4883: ack
[21:35] <DWSR> nacc: Yeah, was originally trying this under bash
[21:35] <DWSR> nacc: I swapped to PS because I know that sometimes it emits better errors.
[21:37] <mg__> powershell is shit as is wsl too
[21:38] <DWSR> mg__: That's an unfortunate stance to have.
[21:38] <nacc> !ohmy | mg__
[21:38] <nacc> mg__: as well as offtopic
[21:42] <kkunji> Maybe you can try to see what is using it with lsof or something, but I'm not sure how well that works with the network protocol.
[22:12] <mahmoud> hy
[22:12] <Guest70107> hy
[22:13] <Bashing-om> !ask | Guest70107
[22:16] <roobertt587> hello i use ubuntu software center to install "krita" and it asks for a registration for ubuntu one. is this required?
[22:21] <darthanubis> How can I tell if and which /dev/tty/USBx was created?
[22:23] <leonardo_> hi
[22:24] <Bashing-om> !details | darthanubis
[22:24] <nacc> roobertt587: you are probalby attempting to install the snap
[22:24] <nacc> roobertt587: as opposed to the .deb based package
[22:25] <k1l_> yes, sounds like the snap package
[22:25] <nacc> roobertt587: i'm not sure how the gui tool differenntiates
[22:25] <nacc> roobertt587: also, you shouldn't use 'ubuntu software center', but 'gnome software' (also sometimes i think 'ubuntu software') -- the center bit is important, i think
[22:25] <nacc> important and confusing :)
[22:32] <xiusfist> so I installed ubuntu for the first time and now the clock on my windows installation is constantly wrong. What gives?
[22:35] <Bashing-om> xiusfist: What release did you install ? Windows controls the Hardware clock as local time, where as ubuntu expects UTC . Adjustments can be made .
[22:36] <xiusfist> Bashing-om: i Installed the latest one 17.04
[22:38] <krytarik> !time
[22:38] <krytarik> See the first link.
[22:40] <oerheks> "o make MS Windows calculate the time from the hardware clock as UTC." https://askubuntu.com/questions/800914/clock-shows-wrong-time-after-switching-from-ubuntu-to-windows-10
[22:40] <oerheks> * to
[22:41] <oerheks> it is determined it is a windows issue
[22:45] <bonsaitree> No, no and no. Even after a fresh install, my Wi-Fi link is behaving like it's capped at 20 Mbit/s.
[22:47] <Delvien> bonsaitree: wow , i talked to you this morning at work about that, still not able to fix?
[22:47] <hfp> Hi, I installed the `xubuntu-artwork` package by mistake, and then uninstalled it on Ubuntu 17.04. But the image prompting for the encryption key at boot is still the xubuntu one. How do I get the Ubuntu image back?
[22:47] <bonsaitree> Delvien:I guess it's because of a certain update, since the previous suspect was that i was deleting files in /bin/firmware, but it turns out that it's not the case.
[22:48] <Delvien> bonsaitree: have you tried running an older kernel?
[22:48] <bonsaitree> Delvien:Nope, i guess that's the next step
[22:51] <Some_Person> hfp: Try running this: sudo update-initramfs -u
[22:52] <hfp> Some_Person: Thanks, I'll see at the next boot if it worked.
[22:52] <ChaiTRex> hfp: See http://ask.xmodulo.com/change-boot-splash-screen-ubuntu-linux-mint.html
[22:53] <hfp> Now I have another question: since updating to 17.04, I can't change my walllpaper anymore. Anything I select (including the rotating community wallpaper) has no effect. Where should I look?
[22:53] <Delvien> hfp ubuntu vanilla?
[22:54] <hfp> Delvien: Yes, I was running 16.10, wallpaper was fine, and then I updated to 17.04; now I'm stuck with the default wallpaper
[22:55] <Delvien> hfp check dconf-editor, Im not running vanilla, nor am I running 17.04 so I cant test for you
[22:55] <bonsaitree> Delvien:How do i upgrade to 17.04?
[22:55] <hfp> Delvien: is that for my wallpaper question, or for the Ubuntu boot splash screen?
[22:56] <Delvien> hfp: wallpaper
[22:56] <hfp> alright, thanks
[22:57] <hfp> ChaiTRex: Thanks for that, I didn't know it was so easy to change the splash screens
[22:57] <ChaiTRex> hfp: You're welcome.
[23:00] <hfp> Alright, the ubuntu stock splash screens are back :)
[23:08] <tleeonly> auit
[23:08] <tleeonly> quit
[23:08] <hfp> Hmmm I can't find the relevant option in dconf-editor. I tried searching for background and wallpaper.
[23:09] <hfp> Is it in com.canonical.unity-greeter? Or is that the background for the login screen?
[23:14] <ashdxb> hey guys my mic and headphones dont work
[23:14] <ashdxb> anyone dealt with stuff related before?
[23:18] <ChaiTRex> ashdxb: I've found `pavucontrol` to be useful in the past for that sort of thing.
[23:25] <bonsaitree> What is the best way to upgrade to 17.04? I've seen multiple tutorials and commands on the net, don't know what to choose.
[23:27] <Lukas__> googd night
[23:28] <Lukas__> hot to download ubuntu baytrail ?
[23:28] <Lukas__> lenovo ideapad 100s 11 lby
[23:31] <tubal> Hello. Has anyone else had trouble with the desktop/X getting locked up when in view-workspace? Particularly when trying to move a window between workspaces with the mouse?
[23:32] <tubal> This has happened several times now, and ends with me having to deliver the C-A-bksp.
[23:32] <tubal> And getting real angry.
[23:35] <pleb_> Should the Vulkan packages be missing drm functions? I'm trying to diagnose the last line here: https://pastebin.com/raw/cx2EEnef I've found the source, but have been hesitant to compile myself because of breaking an install before with a bad graphics driver.
[23:37] <Basketball> my chrome keeps showing white lines
[23:40] <compdoc> Basketball, just chrome?
[23:40] <Basketball> yup
[23:40] <compdoc> is it chrome, or chromium. they arent the same
[23:41] <Basketball> it is chrome
[23:41] <compdoc> any add-ons?
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !info vulkan-utils | pleb_
[23:43] <Basketball> compdoc, nope
[23:43] <pleb_> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/raw/cx2EEnef This is the output of vulkaninfo.
[23:44] <pleb_> ubottu: Got the packaged installed already. "vulkan-utils is already the newest version (1.0.21.0+dfsg1-1~16.04.1)."
[23:44] <pleb_> lol
[23:47] <compdoc> Basketball, never seen that. maybe the video driver. You might try #chrome
[23:55] <Bashing-om> pleb_: Well, let's see ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ' what vulkan has to work with .
[23:59] <LoRez> should SUBSYSTEM="usb", ATTR{idProduct}=="60e6", ATTR{idVendor}=="1d50", GROUP=adm, SYMLINK+="$attr{product}_$attr{serial}" work?