[05:28] <Bashing-om> Yall do what yall do best - without me - G nite \o
[06:13] <ducasse> morning all
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:18] <ducasse> \o lordievader - everything is well?
[06:19] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:19] <lordievader> Jup, doing good.
[06:19] <lordievader> How are things on your end of the line?
[06:22] <ducasse> a quiet morning, i just sat down a couple of minutes ago :)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:58] <oerheks> Hello BluesKaj
[10:58] <ducasse> good morning BluesKaj - all well, i hope?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks, ducasse, fine here, and you?
[11:00] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks. soon heading out to run some errands.
[15:45] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw
[15:59] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in ubuntu land
[17:47] <daftykins> \o
[17:47] <daftykins> everything's broken ;)
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> loool
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> it sure does, gnome is horrible and plasma doesnt boot, and got system errors on unity now :p
[17:48] <daftykins> see that's unfortunately the truth i've encountered before, sure you can install another DE... but then you end up with two broken
[17:48] <baizon> well my plasma is perfect
[17:48] <baizon> I'm so impressed :)
[17:48] <baizon> kde runs so much faster/smoother/better
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> baizon: cant even bypass KDE loading screen here an ati/radeon
[17:49] <baizon> also got an amd card :)
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> isnt there like a light version of kde anymore?
[17:50] <baizon> lxqt is the light version :D
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah i cant suggest lubuntu on my customers machines right
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> a lil eyecandy would be nice
[17:50] <baizon> kde to much eyecandy :D
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> haha
[17:51] <daftykins> create a new user to test, lotus
[17:51] <baizon> i had to disable some effects :D
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> i dont get why they dont make a light version of every DE
[17:51] <daftykins> see if it's your dot files
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> wheres gnome classic? unity classic? kde light?
[17:51] <daftykins> how come you haven't mentioned xfce? :>
[17:52] <baizon> gnome classic => mate, unity classic => ?, KDE Light => KDE 3 :D
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah mate is on my list to test
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> but of course ill test 17.10 with wayland also
[17:57] <baizon> budgie?
[17:57] <baizon> unity classic => budgie :D
[17:58] <baizon> that is really a positive thing, with ubuntu switching to wayland, the development will get better i think
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> lets hope so
[18:00] <daftykins> baizon: lol
[18:00] <daftykins> yes put your stock in vapourware
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> baizon: i might test both mate & budgie, see what that gives
[18:19] <oerheks> Artful Aardvark
[18:20] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> !aardvark
[18:26] <ubot5> Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) will be the 27th release of Ubuntu.  It is due to be released in October 2017. Discussion in #ubuntu+1
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> ohhh
[18:27] <oerheks> arun did the 1st tweet :-D
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[18:27] <oerheks> but genii spammed in -offtopic as first
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> i presume it will be gnome allready?
[18:29] <oerheks> make more fun, let's get rid of gnome :-D
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:54] <Bashing-om> Ok, ready to have fun now :)
[18:54] <daftykins> \o/ welcome back!
[18:55] <Bashing-om> thankee daftykins : Anyways is a good way to be here .
[18:55] <daftykins> :D
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> howdy nacc
[20:01] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hey!
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[20:02] <EriC^^> thx lotuspsychje
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic aardvark
[20:03] <ubot5> 'aardvark' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed, yakkety, yakkety-backports, yakkety-proposed, zesty, zesty-backports
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[21:17] <brunch875> gn lp
[23:10] <m_> Xenial, 16.04 LTS. Package python3-selenium DOES NOT INCLUDE webdrivers. Instead, it suggests packages chromedriver and firefoxdriver. Fair enough… except… THERE ARE NO SUCH F…ING PACKAGES IN XENIAL!
[23:10] <m_> Selenium packaging in Xenial is broken. Really.
[23:12] <m_> ....sorry, had to vent. When it’s night already, every such obstacle can drive u mad.
[23:12] <Bashing-om> m_: What does not kill you ----------- :)
[23:14] <m_> Still, broken packaging is broken packaging.
[23:14] <nacc> firefoxdriver is in 16.10/17.04 in multiverse
[23:15] <nacc> and it recommdns chromedriver | phantomjs and the latter is availalbe
[23:15] <nacc> in universe
[23:15] <nacc> suggests are not required to be present for packages
[23:15] <nacc> m_: --^
[23:15] <m_> Present in 16.10, yes. Present in 16.04 LTS, no.
[23:16] <nacc> and in 16.04, both are suggests
[23:16] <nacc> so neither needs to be in the archive nor were they
[23:16] <nacc> not a bug
[23:16] <m_> Lack of drivers hampers usability of Selenium greatly.
[23:16] <nacc> m_: you can probably file a bug for it, but not sure who will SRU those packages back
[23:17] <m_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-selenium/+bug/1685037 , though I don't have much hopes…
[23:17] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1685037 in python-selenium (Ubuntu) "In 16.04 the package suggests vital, but non-existent packages chromedriver and firefoxdriver" [Undecided,New]
[23:19] <m_> This is especially odd for me since AFAIK pip install selenium has firefox drivers bundled.
[23:37] <daftykins> !info python3-selenium xenial
[23:37] <ubot5> python3-selenium (source: python-selenium): Python3 bindings for Selenium. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.48.0+dfsg1-2 (xenial), package size 65 kB, installed size 432 kB
[23:38] <daftykins> no idea how you track down who maintains it (:
[23:38] <nacc> daftykins: it's a package from debian
[23:38] <nacc> daftykins: so no one maintains it in ubuntu :)
[23:38] <nacc> and it's in universe with no delta
[23:38] <daftykins> what controls the other part being missing, though?
[23:39] <nacc> so highly unmaintained :)
[23:39] <nacc> daftykins: when the sync happened
[23:39] <nacc> it only exists in 16.04+
[23:39] <nacc> so probably debian added the dependencies (suggests, really), later
[23:39] <nacc> and they missed the freeze or happened in a different cycle for ubuntu
[23:39] <daftykins> like supplying half a jigsaw? :)
[23:39] <nacc> also one is in non-free, which is why it's in multiverse in ubuntu