[07:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Volunteer Recognition Day! 😃  🙌
[08:58] <diddledan> fun finding people's passwords at the first few minutes of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVXEwfH6FLc
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgpT5rEKIU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TO48Cnl66w think that covers it :D
[09:07] <foobarry> uploading to imgur from firefox has broken again :(
[09:08] <foobarry> has anyone seen this issue with nagios? load value axis has gone weird http://imgur.com/a/WaUcJ
[10:01] <diddledan> davmor2: alanis morisette is in the nuddy!
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: That. Is. Horrify.
[10:04]  * TwistedLucidity leaves the comment that's a response to deliberately ambiguous
[10:04] <diddledan> aww, the blurred her naughty bits
[10:04] <diddledan> they*
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> Perve.
[10:05] <diddledan> :-p
[10:05] <diddledan> as if folks expect anything sensible out of me..
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> On the subject of passwords, I still use the "CorrectHorseBatteryStaple" paradigm. Nice and long, easy to recall.
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure if that's still advised or not.
[10:07] <BigRedS> i think "use a password manager and" is the normal advice now
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> dictionary attacks can process stupidly high numbers these days...
[10:07] <BigRedS> ... and a ridiculous password
[10:07] <diddledan> the standard method advised these days is purely random but stored in a password manager
[10:07] <diddledan> BigRedS beat me
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> BigRedS: I use LastPass - but I have spotted that it struggles with string Content Security Protection on sites. Also, it can break privacy in Private tabs.
[10:08] <BigRedS> but, yeah, dictionary attacking for 3-5 random dictionary words is simpler than for 8-32 alphanumerics
[10:08] <BigRedS> I use pass, I distrust a password manager that my browser can talk to. But that's at the expense of half the benefit of a password manager...
[10:08] <BigRedS> it's also GPG based, though, so one day I'll break that and find I can't get at any of my passwords...
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Is it? 50k^3 < 26^8? I'd need to do the math....
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, I want to get off LastPass. Although it doesn't have any super-critical passwords (e.g. banking etc)
[10:10] <BigRedS> actually, I guess random is the key; if you really are using random words then it's fine. But most people aren't
[10:10] <diddledan> https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/20/mastercard-built-in-fingerprint-sensor/
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> I'm certainly not using items on my desk, otherwise all passwords would be "MessMessMess"
[10:16] <knightwise> morning peeps
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> but if you buy really really cheap hardware then it would be $brandNameThatDoesntExistAnymoreFromCountryThatsBeenRenamedSinceTheirRevolution
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Fingerprints are not passwords. Fingerprints are not passwords. Fingerprints are not passwords. Fingerprints are not passwords. Fingerprints are not passwords.
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Although they are handy for 2FA in that scenario.
[10:57] <foobarry> i have a box with 6 GPU...wanna give me your hash?
[10:58] <foobarry> password hash, not drugs
[11:06] <knightwise> hey alan_g
[11:06] <knightwise> when is the next show coming out ?
[11:06] <alan_g> ?
[11:06] <knightwise> srr , wrong alan :)
[11:17] <diddledan> knightwise: did you mean popey ?
[11:18] <knightwise> yep
[11:22] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Sure, here you go - hunter2
[11:42]  * diddledan logs into TwistedLucidity 's privates and fiddles with the billing to charge them lots of monies
[11:43] <diddledan> hang on. that password isn't working!
[11:44] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: what's your password? I think you might have changed it
[11:46] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Yeah, changed it to ********
[11:47] <diddledan> wait, IRC censored that. I didn't know that was a thing. What do you see when I type my password?: mybananaisbent
[11:54] <TwistedLucidity> Evil, class 1 EU bananas. Not any more in the People's Glorious Republik of Maytonia!
[12:00] <davmor2> Ah hunter2
[12:19] <arsen> Password1234!
[12:19] <arsen> is that hidden to you?
[12:21]  * zmoylan-pi calls dibs on their itunes :-)
[12:41] <davmor2> arsen: Password1234! yes all I see is a bunch of stars
[12:41] <arsen> cool
[12:41] <arsen> irc is clever like that!
[12:43] <Azelphur> to be fair, I wish IRCd operators put a little patch in to stop " /msg nickserv identify" (note the space at the beginning)
[12:43] <Azelphur> so many people get hit by that one :)
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> or we could teach people to do such things in a non channel window...
[12:55] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[12:59] <Azelphur> todays challenge: identify this laptop, https://nextcloud.azelphur.com/nextcloud/index.php/s/KbyMikwxRNF5fzn
[13:12] <acheronUK> Toshiba Satellite P845T ?
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> looks more asus to me...
[13:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: how do me owld mucka
[13:13] <foobarry> acer/asus keyboard, toshiba screen?
[13:14] <Azelphur> acheronUK: certainly looks like it, you did well :)
[13:14] <foobarry> eww windows and celeron sticker.
[13:14] <foobarry> made a mistake of not taking those off on the first day once and had a non-faded patch forever after removing it late
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> and offset touch pad due to numberpad so icky keyboard as well
[13:15] <diddledan> laptops aren't meant to have a numberpad
[13:15] <diddledan> they just ruin it
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> except for accountants
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> but they should really get an external usb keyboard for that as the internal ones aren't great
[13:16] <Azelphur> good point actually, it's not a Toshiba Satellite P845T, the Toshiba Satellite P845T doesn't have a numpad
[13:17] <Azelphur> close, but no cigar
[13:19] <Azelphur> but using your description, looks like a P875-31P
[13:25] <acheronUK> maybe just a P850?
[13:26] <foobarry> seen the pinebook?
[13:26] <foobarry> https://www.pine64.org/
[13:31] <diddledan> so cheap. shame it doesn't have many rams
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> buy 3 and run seperate tasks on each :-)
[13:31] <daftykins> lol number pad.
[14:07] <foobarry> [86804.517813] drm/i915: Resetting chip after gpu hang
[14:07] <foobarry> ewww
[14:08] <daftykins> ;)
[14:08] <daftykins> more common than you think probably
[14:09] <foobarry> yeah whenever i resume from suspend
[14:09] <foobarry> and the machine freezes
[14:10] <daftykins> don't use sleep? :)
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> as an insomniac i resemble that remark :-P
[14:12] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: ah you just need a BIOS update or change of OS!
[14:14]  * zmoylan-pi clings to os/2 and starts a rousing chorus of the ibm song... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am_sSvIT4xk
[14:15] <daftykins> i'm actually far enough along with insurance for my domestic drama that i can buy things for the bathroom now!
[14:15] <daftykins> they didn't even quibble over the rebuild spec one bit
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> so you've sourced the most expensive rubber duck you can find? :-)
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> it runs linux AND android...
[14:22] <daftykins> wow yep the local B&Q guy admits they pocket the VAT
[14:22] <daftykins> "oh it goes on other stuff like freight and so on"
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> well... they have the resources to fortify the place and keep the tax bods out for ages... :-)
[14:23] <daftykins> that they do!
[14:24] <arsen> why do dell laptops (inspiron 13) only come with 128/256gig SSDs now ?
[14:24] <arsen> the highest spec one you appear to be able to 'upgrade' to 512 :/
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> because we all trust the cloud :-P
[14:25] <daftykins> it's always cheaper to do it yourself after the fact anyway
[14:25] <arsen> my sister said something along those lines zmoylan-pi
[14:25] <daftykins> i just order in for folk with spinning rust :)
[14:25] <arsen> not sure i want to get my sis to self-install windows  on her own new laptop sadly, daftykins
[14:26] <daftykins> seriously? it's ready, aim, fire these days
[14:26] <arsen> i tend to avoid these kinds of complex issues by just paying through the nose for apple stuff.
[14:26] <daftykins> you're at least browsing the outlet pages for the ace prices, yeah?
[14:26] <arsen> didn't do much yet, just had a peak on the dell website to wonder why they dont offer more storage
[14:26] <daftykins> yeah way better to have machines you can't upgrade ;D
[14:27] <arsen> laptops should come standard with 2 * 1TB SSDs in raid1 tbh
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> you can upgrade an apple.... you just a very very steady hand to desolder the old ram and solder in the new ram :-P
[14:27] <daftykins> SSDs in RAID is chavtastic computing, sir
[14:28] <arsen> not much to upgrade in my mac tbh, i7/16gig :/
[14:28] <arsen> does iterm2 in effortless style. lol.
[14:29] <arsen> probably easier than working out a reliable backup solution thogh daftykins :D
[14:33] <daftykins> well you have to use their backup, because if a machine from Apple dies you can't even remove the drive anymore! it's soldered on!* (* - most models)
[14:38] <arsen> yeh i meant more for my sis rather htan me
[14:38] <arsen> appleland does rely on timemachine, or drive imaging
[14:40] <daftykins> it is good :( i hate to admit
[14:40] <daftykins> it's just everything else...
[14:45] <arsen> age odl debate, works for me :D sister is windows background so need to find her a decent laptop to run her bakery biz from
[14:46] <daftykins> kinda funny a client of mine who got persuaded into an iMac for home and regrets it hugely
[14:47] <daftykins> oh that reminds me
[14:48] <daftykins> how do you tactfully bring up to a client that you keep seeing their shifty browsing history - in order to educate them on private browsing modes? :D
[14:48] <arsen> im not sure id go imac. i like my macbook, but i use PC for gaming / other stuff
[14:48] <arsen> 'antivirus scan found some odd browsing history'
[14:49] <daftykins> nah they're too limited, in fact they're even worse on the storage side because you can only get those stupid fusion drive combos
[14:52] <arsen> i guess if youre just using it as a terminal
[14:52] <arsen> which is kinda how i use my macbook for work
[14:53] <arsen> tho it does power some screens. i couldnt work from a windows machine these days, and ubuntu isn't terribly enterprise friendly
[14:54] <BigRedS> does OSX do middle-click paste? That's easily the most annoying thing about using Windows for me
[14:54] <daftykins> you know macs don't even have two buttons, right? :)
[14:55] <arsen> fraid not, BigRedS
[14:55] <arsen> well
[14:55] <arsen> it does in iterm.
[14:55] <BigRedS> haha, oh yeah, I forgot about that!
[14:55] <BigRedS> but even with a normal mouse plugged in, do you not get that?
[14:57] <arsen> yeh
[14:57] <arsen> i use a logitech 'mx master'
[14:57] <arsen> and i can middle click paste into terms
[16:32] <diddledan> I don't always middle click, but when I do, it's quite hard
[16:33] <diddledan> s/it's/I do it/ maybe?
[19:20] <acheronUK> Artful Aardvark :)
[21:28] <diddledan> utility voltage just went up to 252V. my UPS kicked-in because it detected it as abbarent - AVR: Active Voltage Regulation/Reduction (IIRC)
[21:29] <diddledan> back down to 248V now
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> someone in currys has a mate flush out the marginal hardware just before the weekend to boost sales
[21:56] <lopta> "marginal" in what way?
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> a little extra juice will fry it
[22:03] <lopta> Hmm.
[22:10] <diddledan> I like cortana
[22:10] <diddledan> she's hot
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> wait till you meet a real woman... :-P
[22:11] <diddledan> lol
[22:37] <daftykins> but by then he'll think he can ask them for the weather and allsorts :(
[22:37] <diddledan> lol
[22:38] <diddledan> hey, daftykins, set an alarm for 30 minutes
[22:38] <diddledan> in-built adblockers?! https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-and-google-reportedly-planning-on-adding-a-built-in-ad-blocker-to-edge-and-chrome/
[22:40] <diddledan> hello? https://twitter.com/lizfraser1/status/855107725575041024
[23:36] <daftykins> XD
[23:36] <daftykins> ok Master Chief