[05:50] <nsnzero> morning all 
[07:06] <chesedo> morning nsnzero
[07:06] <chesedo> and all others
[07:26] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:29] <nsnzero> hi there Kilos 
[07:32] <nsnzero> morning to chesedo as well
[07:32] <theblazehen> morning
[07:32] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen 
[07:35] <theblazehen> https://twitter.com/devttyS0/status/854755656011743235 heh
[07:37] <theblazehen> https://github.com/shelljs/shelljs wait, what?!
[07:37] <Kilos> hi nsnzero theblazehen 
[07:37] <Kilos> and chesedo too of course
[07:38] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[07:38] <Kilos> oh and inetpro 
[07:38]  * theblazehen wonders how small I can compress a wikipedia db dump
[07:39] <Kilos> im having worst connection hassles ever but otherwise all ok. busy fighting isp's
[07:39] <theblazehen> Kilos: That sucks :/
[07:42] <theblazehen> https://github.com/zv/9Problems Nice
[07:42]  * theblazehen tried 9front out last night
[07:42] <theblazehen> shell is a little lacking, but you can build a bash or something if you like
[07:42] <theblazehen> Can even nest rio inside rio
[07:43]  * nsnzero has not had enough coffee to understand all this
[07:44] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Plan 9 - everything _really_ is a file
[07:45] <theblazehen> Want to nest your window manager? Open a window which launches a `rc` shell, run `rio` which then runs another window manager in a window
[07:45] <theblazehen> There isn't even a distinction between terminal and gui stuff
[07:45] <theblazehen> Eg, run `firefox` from a linux terminal - opens a new X window
[07:46] <theblazehen> run a graphical thing in plan 9 - replaces your terminal unless you kill the process then your terminal is back
[07:46] <theblazehen> Also, nice namespace concept
[07:46] <theblazehen> and great network integration, with concept of storage servers, cpu servers etc
[07:47] <theblazehen> Built in containerization for like 2 decades as well, compared to linux, which had it for around just 1
[07:47] <theblazehen> Even came before solaris zones
[07:49] <theblazehen> Although I am only running a single node cluster
[08:13] <theblazehen> nsnzero: https://homeplan9-1.theblazehen.com/scrot.png
[08:14] <theblazehen> You can see roughly the right half is a window containing another window manager
[08:15] <theblazehen> Neat thing is I can minimize any window 
[08:15] <theblazehen> and the window manager on the right is just another top level window
[08:15] <theblazehen> So I can minimize a group of windows
[08:15] <nsnzero> something like i3 ?
[08:15] <theblazehen> and if I resize the top level window all the children windows resize as well
[08:15] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Nah, no tiling by default
[08:16] <theblazehen> floating wm
[08:16] <theblazehen> But you can write scripts for tiling :) Just /dev/wctl/something or so
[08:17] <theblazehen> Bottom left is /dev/config
[08:27] <theblazehen> Hmm. Just got an idea...
[08:57] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:58] <nsnzero> hi inetpro 
[08:59] <theblazehen> hi inetpro, wb nsnzero
[09:00] <nsnzero> thanks theblazehen 
[11:17] <nsnzero> does squid proxy work with https ? or just plain http ?
[11:20] <theblazehen> Can do https, but you'll need to install a cert on all the clients
[11:20] <theblazehen> And not sure if it breaks cert pinning
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero: ^
[11:32] <nsnzero> just cant get it functional theblazehen 
[11:32] <nsnzero> i will have to read up on it 
[11:32] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Trying to do a transparent proxy, or normal one?
[11:32] <nsnzero> transparent 
[11:34] <nsnzero> i have quite a few window machines on this network and i cant disable the auto-update so firewalled the router but i need a proxy to allow http/s access 
[11:34] <theblazehen> Yeah, can't do that
[11:34] <theblazehen> afaik
[11:34] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: ?
[11:34] <theblazehen> Also, using a wpad.dat will at least help with the proxy config if you need to do itr
[11:35] <theblazehen> s/$//
[11:37] <nsnzero> the netgear router only allows 16 rules - thats another problem 
[11:44] <theblazehen> nsnzero: the dgn2200, or a different one?
[11:45] <nsnzero> same 1 
[11:46] <theblazehen> Just write an init script that calls iptables?
[11:46] <theblazehen> :D
[11:46] <nsnzero> Linux: Setup a transparent proxy with Squid in three easy steps
[11:47] <theblazehen> heh. http://www.bash.org/?464385
[11:47] <theblazehen> But seriously, it won't be any easier in windows
[11:49] <nsnzero> doesnt affect my work if no one else can access the internet - i will put this on the that back burner
[11:49] <theblazehen> heh. Or just configure proxy auto configuration
[12:04] <nsnzero> i see the squid server daemon running and no error in the log - just doesnt connect
[12:15] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Still trying transparent proxy?
[12:17] <nsnzero> hopefully if i can get it to work
[12:22] <theblazehen> nsnzero: It won't
[12:26] <nsnzero> theblazehen: i can relax now - this proxy thing will have to wait 
[12:28] <nsnzero> everybody , have a good afternoon
[13:24] <andrewlsd> nsnzero yip. by definition SSL cannot be transparently proxied. you have to man-in-the-middle it. which breaks SSL.  (it's what appliances like BlueCoat do)
[13:24] <andrewlsd> so nzero wpad.dat is your best bet. 
[13:25] <andrewlsd> which is automatic proxy settings config used by client
[13:25] <andrewlsd> as per theblazehen
[13:25] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: "nsnzero has left ("WeeChat 1.7")"
[13:41] <Kilos> eish upgrading opera-beta is gonna take over 5 hours for 51meg
[13:42] <Kilos> 2725 B/s
[13:46] <Kilos> now it says 10 hours. holy moly
[15:48] <tareq> hi all
[17:57] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:57] <nsnzero> why does qemu-kvm create a new user on my system ?
[18:01] <MaNI> why wouldn't it, it's fairly common practice?
[18:03] <MaNI> most linux programs that have a daemon run it as a limited permission user for security reasons (if there is a bug the rest of the system can't easily be compromised)
[18:05] <nsnzero> hi MaNI 
[18:05] <nsnzero> just wanted to known why - saw this new user on my login screen got suspicious thats all
[18:06] <MaNI> strange that it shows it on your login screen - most WMs hide users like that by default
[18:07] <nsnzero> yip was there virt-something i deleted it though
[18:11] <nsnzero> it also created a new network interface - for security i assume 
[18:23] <inetpro> talking about users on the login screen, how do I hide a user?
[18:25] <nsnzero> hi inetpro - ssdm login ?
[18:26] <theblazehen> inetpro: set shell to /usr/sbin/nologin?
[18:26] <theblazehen> My libvirt also shows on login screen, and it uses /bin/false instead of /usr/sbin/nologin for some reason
[18:26] <inetpro> Kubuntu 16.04, I guess that would be ssdm
[18:27] <inetpro> theblazehen: interesting, thanks
[18:29] <nsnzero> Set uid of the user (you want to hide )to any number which is less than 1000
[18:30] <inetpro> theblazehen: I have serveral users with /bin/false but not appearing in the greeter screen
[18:31] <inetpro> looks like there's something about users using the AccountsService as well
[18:33] <theblazehen> Hmm, not sure
[18:42] <inetpro> oh and setting the user to /usr/sbin/nologin does not help... did it quickly and even after a reboot the user is still there
[18:57] <nsnzero> good night guys - rest well
[18:59] <inetpro> night nsnzero
[19:01] <nsnzero> sddm has a option in sddm.conf HideUsers=
[19:01] <nsnzero> night inetpro