[00:01] <pleb_> Bashing-om: Got this result. https://pastebin.com/raw/ej9teE0q Also just found that my mesa-vdpau-drivers wasn't updating until I forced it. Relevant?
[00:05] <bonsaitree> Delvien, How do i try to run an older kernel?
[00:13] <latino31> tubal your ubuntu is freezing too?
[00:14] <tubal> latino31, Well, the Desktop is occasionally under the above circumstances. You too?
[00:14] <latino31> you have ubuntu 17.04..
[00:14] <tubal> 16.10
[00:14] <latino31> mine has been locking since upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04.
[00:15] <latino31> oh okay i had that it was not locking with that
[00:15] <tubal> Hrm. Just a thought, do you run f.lux/f.lux indicator applet?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> pleb_: Not in ignore :) just looking to confirm what I think before proceeding.
[00:21] <pleb_> Bashing-om: No worries
[00:22] <Delvien> bonsaitree during a boot, youll have the option
[00:24] <Pencil2> RL
[00:24] <Pencil2> join /PERL
[00:26] <ChaiTRex> Pencil2: You probably want /join #perl
[00:26] <Delvien> ChaiTRex:  no hashtag req :P
[00:28] <latino31> tubal no but i run redshhift why?
[00:29] <latino31> im been running redshift i think starting in version 16.04 and no issues on 16.04 or 16.10.
[00:29] <johnfg> I just installed unity: `sudo apt install unity`, on 17.04 server.  How do I start it?
[00:29] <hitman1> where to place bootloader when dual booting with windows?
[00:33] <johnfg> Ok, unity came up after reboot, but my password isn't accepted.  Was able to login from tty1, but why won't the unity login accept my password?
[00:43] <bonsaitree> It turns out that there is a recent system update that is messing with the Wi-Fi link speed. I've tried many things and all of them lead to that conclusion.
[00:43] <johnfg> Ok, unity came up after reboot, but my password isn't accepted.  Was able to login from tty1, but why won't the unity login accept my password?
[00:45] <ChaiTRex> johnfg: Have you selected the correct user? Does it actually say that the password is bad or does it just ask again?
[00:46] <naskeli> i'm trying to install ubuntu14.04 LTS on libvirt but I can't get past the screen for ubuntu archive mirror
[00:46] <naskeli> it's telling me the official archive mirrors are unreachable. I'm guessing it has to with my virtual machines networking
[00:46] <inflex> Anyone else finding that every ~24hrs, khugepaged goes completely nuts, sucks up 100% of CPU and X locks hard (including keyboard/mouse)?  Machine won't even reboot properly via external SSH in with shutdown -r 0?
[00:46] <naskeli> I was under the impression though that ubuntu could be installed offline without a network connection. What gives?
[00:46] <inflex> Was a perfectly good machine under 16.10, but 17.04 has delivered this to me
[00:46] <nacc> inflex: not seeing that with 17.04
[00:46] <gogeta> inflex, that sounds like a kernel panic
[00:47] <inflex> gogeta, would have thought a kern panic wouldn't permit me to ssh in from another system
[00:47] <Bashing-om> pleb_: Mt vulkan skills are not up to this task . I do not know what to advise - regrets .
[00:48] <naskeli> hmm, in fact when I exit out to the ubuntu installer main menu I don't get as many options as I would for a normal ubuntu install
[00:49] <pleb_> Bashing-om: Ah well, but thanks still. I might try another round of updating, upgrading, and rebooting before I head out, just in case.
[00:49] <inflex> when I checked the process list, that's when I saw khugepaged at the top.  12GB system, running fluxbox, thunderbird, firefox, xchat and a few xterms
[00:49] <gogeta> inflex, whe it does it again try sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[00:49] <gogeta> inflex, should make it happy
[00:49] <gogeta> inflex, it is a bug
[00:50] <johnfg> It says it's incorrect, both for myself, and guest.
[00:50] <inflex> thanks gogeta
[00:50] <johnfg> I changed the passwd in tty1, to see if that would make a difference.  It didn't.
[00:50] <gogeta> inflex, its a workaound
[00:50] <Bashing-om> pleb_: I will be interested in how you progress .
[00:51] <inflex> gogeta, np, more than used to those in life.
[00:51] <ChaiTRex> johnfg: Is caps lock on? If not, I'm not sure what's next.
[00:51] <inflex> gogeta, any idea what's invoking it every ~24hrs?
[00:51] <johnfg> Actually, Failed to start session.
[00:51] <Jonathan_e> hello everyone, could someone basically explain to me why certain gnu programs don't see "all" my HD, but other gnu programs do?
[00:51] <gogeta> inflex, yea something to do with having alot of cpu cores or something
[00:51] <ChaiTRex> johnfg: Oh, I think it'll only try to start a session once the correct password is entered.
[00:52] <inflex> gogeta, okay, interesting, considering this is just an Intel Pentium G3420, but I'll try the workaround when it happens tomorrow.
[00:52] <ChaiTRex> johnfg: Here's a megathread of possible solutions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[00:53] <johnfg> ChaiTRex: Thanks, I'll look at it...
[00:55] <gogeta> inflex, a matter of prosses getting stuck
[00:57] <gogeta> inflex, seems to be stuck prosses or it trying to defrage and using tons of memery
[00:59] <aye163_> hello, Ubuntians and other linux-oriendted ....
[01:00] <aye163_> has anybody upgraded already to 17.04 ubuntu?
[01:01] <seentoomuch> i'm about to upgrade now
[01:01] <anonymous_> hi
[01:01] <seentoomuch> hey
[01:01] <anonymous_> how are you_
[01:01] <aye163_> thanks, wanted to know about first impression and any stability issues of ubuntu 17.04?
[01:01] <aye163_> hello
[01:02] <seentoomuch> pretty hyped for 17.04, i'll probably try it on a vm first
[01:02] <anonymous_> do you speak spanish
[01:02] <aye163_> no comprande,sorry
[01:02] <seentoomuch> no russian and english
[01:02] <anonymous_> mmm ok
[01:02] <dbarros> any recommendations of a player with HUGE album art display?
[01:03] <aye163_> type english, we will understand
[01:03] <bazhang> dbarros, amarok
[01:03] <dbarros> bazhang, not qt-app.
[01:03] <bazhang> dbarros, it runs fine with gtk
[01:03] <aye163_> seentoomuch, well you know, as always upgrade is not a fresh install.
[01:03] <seentoomuch> true
[01:04] <anonymous_> they belong to anonymous_
[01:04] <bazhang> anonymous_, did you have an ubuntu support issue
[01:04] <aye163_> last time, 16.04 to 16.10 resulted into a loss of my wireless network connectivity, thus had to reinstall everything.
[01:05] <dbarros> in the past RHYTHMBOX had the possibility of resizing the album art on the left lower corner....
[01:05] <dbarros> now is that possible to regain that feature?
[01:05] <bazhang> dbarros, what have you tried
[01:07] <aye163_> have anybody already tested linux drivers for newest NVIDIA GTX10th series?
[01:07] <anonymous_> why can not i connect to debian server_
[01:07] <bazhang> anonymous_, /j #debian
[01:08] <aye163_> anonymous, try alternatives, how are trying to connect to "debian"
[01:08] <gogeta> aye163_, go test them
[01:09] <aye163_> gogeta, well was thinking of getting a new notebook with those, but not sure yet
[01:10] <gogeta> aye163_, as far as i know they work but being linux has like no dx12 games etc there kinda undedded
[01:10] <aye163_> any good company selling laptops optimized for linux?
[01:11] <gogeta> all laptops work under linux
[01:11] <chris32> aye163_, i don't think there's such a thing as 'optimized for linux'
[01:11] <aye163_> currently using a system 76, any other experiences?
[01:11] <gogeta> they days of lacking drivers are kinda behind us
[01:12] <anonymous_> ayel in united states you can buy a apple laptop whit linux *ubuntu,kernel
[01:12] <gogeta> system76 are just other laptops rebranded and marked up
[01:12] <gogeta> say a rog msi or dell same thing
[01:12] <aye163_> at least those system 76, come with pretested hardware ....
[01:12] <anonymous_> and in the deep web?
[01:13] <gogeta> pretested my others lol
[01:13] <gogeta> by
[01:13] <bazhang> anonymous_, how is the deep web related to ubuntu support
[01:14] <aye163_> gogeta, they wrote a layer of drivers needed, just to simplify, and avoid any surprises ...
[01:14] <gogeta> aye163_, most people tent to have issue say they but a gtx1080 launch day and think it will work on linux lol
[01:15] <gogeta> aye163_, you mean nivida did
[01:15] <aye163_> yes, including the NVIDIA
[01:15] <gogeta> aye163_, dont drink there coolaid trust me
[01:16] <gogeta> aye163_, my rog has no problems in linux
[01:16] <aye163_> OK, good to know, gogeta.
[01:17] <gogeta> aye163_, it tend to be amd and suck and fail at linux hard
[01:17] <gogeta> aye163_, like there is still no hdmi audio on the rx489 on linux
[01:17] <gogeta> rx480
[01:17] <aye163_> yes, it is less and less an issue now
[01:17] <gogeta> aye163_, becouse it was wrote so bad it got rejected
[01:18] <aye163_> but those AMDs are still a pain
[01:18] <gogeta> amd is better at open sourcing there stuff
[01:19] <gogeta> nivida more mine mine mine attude
[01:19] <aye163_> mostly for the new generation cards, right?
[01:19] <gogeta> all of them
[01:19] <aye163_> custodian-carl, joined the wrong room, he-he-he
[01:20] <gogeta> aye163_, why most amd cards dont even need the non free driver
[01:21] <gogeta> aye163_, the oss driver these days is just as good
[01:21] <aye163_> Yes, this is true for AMD and open sourse, now the drivers are much better
[01:21] <gogeta> aye163_, other then on ubuntu unless myou add the ppa
[01:21] <gogeta> aye163_, 16.04 lts mesa stack is relly dated
[01:23] <aye163_> well, good to experience ubuntu doing better and better ...
[01:24] <aye163_> have three laptops of different epochs running various distros, from pentium III upto 6700K this year.
[01:25] <aye163_> have not chated for years, and surprised to find out that this is still being used by many
[01:26] <bazhang> aye163_, gogeta please take the chatter elsewhere
[01:26] <TOR_> hey guize, i have one question
[01:26] <TOR_> is there anyway to make the Ubuntu dual boot only from BIOS?
[01:26] <aye163_> OK, will get shut
[01:26] <bazhang> TOR_, go ahead and ask the channel
[01:27] <TOR_> like, I use a notebook here that is not mine and I dont really like windows, and the original user of this notebook dont like Ubuntu
[01:27] <TOR_> I cant use a VM because the computer is pretty limited
[01:27] <gogeta> TOR_, turn on efi legicy mode reinstall windows and ubuntu
[01:27] <aye163_> TOR, use a USB drive and work within this drive.
[01:28] <TOR_> @gogeta both?
[01:28] <gogeta> TOR_, if you turn off efi windows whont run
[01:28] <TOR_> @aye163_ I do not have a good USB with me sadly
[01:28] <TOR_> @gogeta ill consider that, thanks
[01:29] <gogeta> TOR_, both os have to be in bios mode or efi mode
[01:29] <chris32> when does Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS support end?
[01:30] <TOR_> @gogeta I'm kinda new on this, I don't really understand BIOS properties and stuff, mind explaining what EFI mode is?
[01:30] <gogeta> chris32, !lts
[01:30] <chris32> !lts
[01:30] <aye163_> chris32 this info should be on ubuntu.com
[01:30] <chris32> aye163_, i can't find it
[01:31] <chris32> i can see 5 years but not when it was released
[01:31] <gogeta> 5 years
[01:31] <bazhang> chris32, five years
[01:32] <aye163_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[01:32] <bazhang> chris32, 2016-five years hence
[01:32] <chris32> thanks
[01:32] <gogeta> it will be another year before the next lts is even out
[01:33] <gogeta> TOR_, efi replaced bios on nearly every pc made in the last 5 years
[01:33] <aye163_> I think, made a mistake once upgraded to 16.10, should have staid with 16.04
[01:34] <aye163_> saint petersburg?
[01:34] <gogeta> TOR_, to has more security and features like the ability to your liance key of your os eg windows
[01:35] <OERIAS> I know this maybe a hexchat issue, but i feel as though that there is a bug that causes hexchat to shut off sound in Ubuntu
[01:35] <OERIAS> I play a video with the sound playing
[01:35] <gogeta> sotre
[01:35] <ag> com
[01:35] <OERIAS> and hexchat cuts off the sound
[01:35] <OERIAS> and it doesn't return
[01:35] <aye163_> good less crap going through
[01:36] <OERIAS> Anyone experience this?
[01:37] <selsper> what does this mean? https://pastebin.com/2aAHnkf6
[01:39] <gogeta> selsper, it means they need to update there encryption sha1 has been hacked
[01:39] <OERIAS> can someone help me to get an idea to what is going on?
[01:40] <gogeta> OERIAS, hexchat should have nothing to do with losing sound
[01:40] <OERIAS> gogeta, the odd thing is that the sound goes off when hexchat is launched
[01:41] <gogeta> OERIAS, you shure its off
[01:41] <OERIAS> gogeta, no sound is playing when it plays
[01:41] <OERIAS> it's as if it is muted
[01:42] <chris32> what was ubuntu running before systemd?
[01:42] <aye163_> my sound via youtube for example is fine...
[01:42] <OERIAS> chris32, me?
[01:43] <gogeta> chris32, rc.d
[01:43] <bazhang> upstart chris32
[01:43] <chris32> gogeta, what's the difference?  ELI5
[01:43] <bazhang> #hexchat for that OERIAS
[01:43] <Bashing-om> chris32: Just prior to systemd was upstart - there have been several initiate systems even before upstart .
[01:43] <gogeta> yea upstart to
[01:43] <gogeta> they whent threw so many
[01:44] <chris32> ok
[01:44] <OERIAS> I am trying to settle if this is a hexchat issue or an issue that pertains to Ubuntu
[01:44] <OERIAS> as of today
[01:44] <gogeta> well try a sound and other opp
[01:44] <gogeta> iff it cuts out
[01:44] <bazhang> OERIAS, ask in #hexchat , file a bug against it in ubuntu
[01:44] <aye163_> OERIAS this might be just your local prob.
[01:45] <gogeta> app
[01:46] <fpghost84> Hi, I'd like to factory reset an android phone from a ubuntu laptop. I think I can do it maybe via adt command shell? Is there a way I can install this without the full 500mb sdk?
[01:46] <aye163_> sounds works well with various applications on my system.
[01:46] <OERIAS> i am playing .ogg, mp3 and a youtube video and no sound
[01:46] <gogeta> fpghost84, you dont need a pc to reset a phone
[01:46] <OERIAS> i tried playing the test sound on the System Settings and it doesn't play
[01:46] <fpghost84> gogeta: the screen is broke
[01:47] <fpghost84> I can't do the normal reset, and I'm selling it for parts (hence want to wipe my data)
[01:47] <gogeta> fginther, i would be fixing the screen first
[01:47] <fpghost84> gogeta: impossible in my current situation given that I'm halfway around the world in various for the next year and the phone screen only ships from china in 2months
[01:48] <fpghost84> ....anyway, I have my reasons. I would just like to know how to install adt without the full 500mb sdk (if possible)....or other ways to wipe it via laptop
[01:48] <chris32> is there an ubuntu netinst .ISO? I'm sorry but im having a hard time navigating through the site
[01:48] <aye163_> fpg, can you connect it an external monitor?
[01:48] <hanasaki> https://pastebin.com/R5j3FCzJ     what would cause the 2nd IP that is in this paste?
[01:48] <atyz> Hey guys. I'm trying to instlal 17.04 and the installer seems to be bugging out on me with a screen thats completely unreadable (http://imgur.com/a/tfEFi). I have tried older versions, I have also tried using server editions. Anybody have any ideas?
[01:48] <bazhang> !mini | chris32
[01:49] <chris32> thanks once again baz
[01:49] <fpghost84> aye163_: the factory reset on the phone itself requires a pattern unlock and my monitor isn't touch....
[01:49] <gogeta> fginther, http://www.greenbot.com/article/3155115/android/google-encourages-android-tinkerers-with-standalone-downloads-of-adb-fastboot.html
[01:50] <rud0lf> what is the name of main mono package?
[01:50] <rud0lf> mono as this .NET stuff
[01:50] <bazhang> rud0lf, apt-cache search mono
[01:50] <aye163_> got to go, evening everyone
[01:50] <rud0lf> ah, thanks
[01:50] <gogeta> fpghost84, wrong name but there you go stand alone adb linux
[01:51] <fpghost84> gogeta: yes haha, was just about to say, not sure how I became fginther, but thanks!
[01:51] <gogeta> fpghost84, its called platform tools now
[01:51] <fpghost84> thanks
[01:51] <chris32> bazhang, will that ISO also let me choose between upstart, systemd and other inits?
[01:52] <bazhang> chris32, the most recent is systemd, though some others may still take the rc.d
[01:53] <gogeta> chris32, most have gone to systemd of course if systemd keeps up it wll have its own broswer and window manager
[01:53] <chris32> bazhang, oh ok. i now see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart#Adoption
[01:53] <bazhang> gogeta, how is that helpful
[01:54] <chris32> systemd must be very good if they so many switch to it
[01:54] <chris32> so i might stick to it
[01:55] <gogeta> chris32, thats a can of worms for another chat
[01:55] <chris32> ok
[01:59] <OERIAS> This is the error message i get when playing a video: http://imgur.com/a/PSh8i
[02:06] <gogeta> OERIAS, looks like a codec issue try vlc
[02:08] <OERIAS> okay give me a fives minutes to see
[02:22] <tubal> Does anyone know how to register an application so that it is visible to 'Open with...' dialogs?
[02:23] <tubal> I'm thinking of gvim here. vim appears in the menus, but it runs as vim in a new terminal window.
[02:31] <tubal> Alright... created a desktop file in /usr/share/applications... now what?
[02:36] <OERIAS> gogeta told me to try VLC and it doesn't seem to work
[02:36] <OERIAS> it still cuts off the sound
[02:49] <cyrano> Why does my laptop beep five times every time I boot it?
[03:00] <Bashing-om> cyrano: Will have to consult your bios manual for your main board to see what the 5 beeps mean . " beep code"
[03:07] <fossvbn> how many DE ubuntu supports
[03:07] <fossvbn> apart from unity
[03:08] <oerheks> !flavor
[03:08] <oerheks> 9 full iso's, but there are more DE's
[03:10] <ElPez> Test
[03:10] <ElPez> I finally made this work (weechat)
[03:10] <ElPez> Anyone trying on suckless ii?
[03:27] <effectnet> hi i dunno how to get freefilesync to install on 16.10
[03:29] <Bashing-om> !info freefilesync yakkety
[03:29] <Bashing-om> effectnet: ^^ tell us more .
[03:29] <effectnet> ok i downloaded from this page, the 16.10 version... https://www.freefilesync.org/archive.php
[03:30] <effectnet> ./FreeFileSync: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:31] <kostkon> !find libpng12.so.0
[03:32] <effectnet> the last comment on this page... does that mean i have to do smething else? https://www.freefilesync.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3876
[03:32] <effectnet> k
[03:32] <krytarik> !find libpng12.so.0
[03:33] <effectnet> k that sounds bad
[03:33] <effectnet> it's so handy to synchronize two directories
[03:34] <Bashing-om> krytarik: effectnet But does exist in xenial .. humm the game is afoot !
[03:34] <krytarik> !find libpng12.so.0 xenial
[03:34] <krytarik> !find libpng12.so.0 xenial
[03:34] <krytarik> Ah, yes.
[03:35] <effectnet> it's national grilled cheese day
[03:35] <kostkon> effectnet, if you are brave enough just install the libpng12 package from xenial aka 16.04
[03:36] <effectnet> hmmm
[03:36] <effectnet> ok thanks
[03:37] <Bashing-om> effectnet: Not a proponent but ... if ya must - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libpng12.so.0&mode=filename&suite=xenial&arch=any .
[03:38] <effectnet> nah, thank you though.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> effectnet: Maybe have a talk with the maintainer of freefilesync. see if he fell asleep and missed a call .
[03:40] <effectnet> hehe
[03:41] <effectnet> he said........ Ubuntu 16.04 ships with libpng12 while 16.10 comes with libpng16. I'll see to offer two FFS builds for the next release.
[03:41] <effectnet> in october
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[03:43] <CodeMouse92__> !ops
[03:44] <CodeMouse92__> Oh, now I see. Hi Drone`, looks like you're already working on this one.
[03:44] <Volund> good lord
[03:46] <Azero> Seems really active around here. Hello.
[03:47] <Duckle> Awh I just got so happy to have been mentioned
[03:50] <effectnet> omg i have to go back to windows to use ffs and sync up some dirs.  ah well, i dont mind.
[03:50] <effectnet> i have moved a LOT of my stuff to linux again
[03:51] <effectnet> (and i'm using 2 computers, so it's not a big deal)
[03:51] <kostkon> effectnet, just download the package and install it
[03:52] <effectnet> the lib? k lemme see
[03:54] <effectnet> lol i dunno what to do
[03:54] <kostkon> effectnet, on 64bit bit right? http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libpng12-0/download
[03:56] <effectnet> kostkon ++ ok that worked!  hehe thank you
[03:56] <kostkon> effectnet, np
[03:57] <Azero> Is it normal for new people to be like, "Wow! This is a lot different from what I was expecting."
[04:05] <Bashing-om> Azero: Well, some .. are you experiencing the orange glow ?
[04:06] <Azero> Not sure if I am or not. First time user here so I dunno what exactly you mean.
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Azero: Well the orange glow is the ubuntu logo rubbing off on you . How long ya been 'buntu'n ?
[04:09] <Azero> Well based off the time, I'd say, about thirty minutes. I'd tag you in my responses but I've not quite figured out this application either.
[04:09] <effectnet> pfft i cant get my screen changer 'variety' to change the screen now
[04:10] <Bashing-om> !tab | Azero
[04:12] <Azero> ubottu, Bashing-om Thanks for that bit of info.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> Azero: Type a few letters of the nick you are addressing and hit the tab key :)
[04:12] <Azero> I'm laughing at myself now. Thanks for the tip though Bashing-om
[04:13] <sfdebug> hi, i'm trying to charge my iphone 4s via usb on my laptop with ubuntu 14.04 but it doesnt works... does anyone have any idea?
[04:13] <Bashing-om> Azero: np .. we are here to help .
[04:13] <effectnet> hi how come my 'variety' program wont change the desktop picture?
[04:16] <effectnet> it was just working
[04:20] <effectnet> i tried launching it 'sudo variety' that didn't work either.  there's a pic on the desktop and nothing changes it now.
[04:20] <effectnet> i did 'killall variety' then relaunched, didnt' work
[04:20] <effectnet> so i guess i'll just have to reboot for a screensaver
[04:24] <effectnet> well that worked lol
[04:33] <tubal> latino31, How was the upgrade process, apart from the new bug with the desktop?
[04:33] <latino31> other than that it was pretty seamless
[04:33] <latino31> easy
[04:33] <latino31> i guess you need to upgrade soon because 16.10 wont be support for much longer
[04:33] <latino31> i assume
[04:34] <tubal> Did you use the  GUI program or  apt-get, latino31 ?
[04:34] <latino31> GUI
[04:34] <tubal> Ah yeah. I'm glad it went smoothly.
[04:35] <grv> hi
[04:35] <grv> pls help me with htppd
[04:35] <grv> anyone
[04:35] <grv> ?
[04:36] <grv> helo
[04:37] <krytarik> grv: Like I said, ask in #httpd.
[04:41] <maik_> hi
[04:42] <sagaserver> good day
[04:44] <kali_> Hola a todos
[04:44] <sagaserver> hola
[04:58] <FreddyP> anybody know why installing gnome-network-admin on Ubuntu 17.04 does not give all of the features described in its help file.  It is as if the help documentation is describing a different app.
[05:00] <Ben64> FreddyP: can you be more specific
[05:06] <tubal> I think there's a Super- key-chord to open a little dialog to type a command in. But I can't find it. Anyone know?
[05:15] <marvin2> hi. is it possible to change the behavior of alt-tab to get it to show all windows instead of grouping all same program windows together?
[05:25] <archer121> hi, Is it possible to use VNC to connect to a already logged in guest user account on ubuntu?
[05:27] <archer121> It fails with this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24418390/
[05:31] <EriC^^> tubal: alt+f2
[05:31] <tubal> EriC^^, Thanks!
[05:32] <EriC^^> tubal: no problem
[05:34] <Night_> Welcome to Ubuntu 17.04 (GNU/Linux 4.8.0-46-generic x86_64)
[05:34] <Night_> * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com
[05:34] <Night_> * Management:     https://landscape.canonical.com
[05:34] <Night_> * Support:        https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[05:34] <Night_> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS end-of-life is April 25, 2017 -- Upgrade your Precise systems!
[05:34] <Night_> $ sudo do-release-upgrade -m server
[06:14] <ner0x> Hello all. Using Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 and I'm having issues with a printer being auto-installed regardless of how many times I delete it. Having trouble finding the docs or configuration options for cups/printers/printer-settings online. Fairly familiar with Ubuntu with Unity UI but gnome is a bit different. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[06:17] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: Have you tried unplugging the printer and deleting it...and then restarting the printer daemons and cups?
[06:22] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: unplug, remove, sudo service cups restart, plug-in?
[06:23] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: Yeah - or, if anything else, reboot the machine (hate doing that)...but yeah...like doing it COLD...so that there is no "automagically seen" going on, know what I mean?
[06:24] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: Yeah. Where can I find the "share this printer on the network" feature? Again, google seems to be useless. Either that or I forgot htgtfmyself.
[06:24] <ducasse> ner0x: also see the release notes, the section on driverless printing. that could be the reason.
[06:26] <YankDownUnder> Driverless cars, driverless printing...whoa...what's the world coming to...
[06:33] <mattpalermo> YankDownUnder: Lol
[06:34] <zyga> YankDownUnder: driverless countries apparently ;-)
[06:35] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: I'd assume "gnome-control-center" -> and then printers...(your Gnome might be different than my Gnome)
[06:38] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: My personal preference is to share printers via the cups admin (web)...as that way, nothing gets in the way - i.e., DE/WM's and the likes...but that's me...I don't necessarily like having the desktop GUI controlling what can be controlled at the base level...
[06:44] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: I've figured out the basics of the web interface. Set my laserjet to the correct drivers at least. The Canon MX920 is connected via USB, and is added. The wireless version of the MX920 is being detected and added as well, making me have duplicates. :-/
[06:45] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: Errrr...far out...
[06:49] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: Would it currently not suffice to rename the one that you WANT to whatever - and then rename the wireless something else - so that regardless of the dupes, you can KNOW which is which? At least until you can figger out what's going on with the "driverless" system...
[06:49] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: I just turned off the LAN capabilities of it. lol
[06:51] <YankDownUnder> ner0x: Well, there ya go...
[06:51] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: I live by the KISS method.
[06:52] <ner0x> YankDownUnder: Keep It Simple Stupid. :)
[06:55] <Damo> hello
[06:55] <Damo> i need help
[06:56] <ducasse> !ask | Damo
[06:56] <FreddyP> Damo: so do I , i see my therapist later
[06:57] <Damo> I recently download ubuntu and i was happy with it but i have one massive issue which im not kidding you, ive spent like 4 hours trying to solve and so many methods but i still cant solve it. When i move my mouse. My mouse moves back to a position. I move it again and my cursor moves back to the same exact position. No matter where i move my mouse, jumps back to the same position
[06:58] <ducasse> Damo: have you tried with another mouse?
[06:59] <Damo> yes. i tried it with another mouse and i got the same result. i also moved the cursor into another position and quickly took out my mous and it still moved back
[07:00] <ducasse> Damo: did it work in the installer?
[07:00] <Damo> yes
[07:00] <roobertt587> hello i use ubuntu software center to install "krita" and it asks for a registration for ubuntu one. is this required?
[07:01] <Damo> but when im in the actual system like i am now, no matter what im in, whether it terminal or not, the mouse still goes back to the same spot
[07:03] <ducasse> Damo: can you try connecting it to a different port?
[07:03] <Damo> already done so, still same
[07:04] <Damo> i believe it is too do with the operating system, im on ubuntu 17.04
[07:04] <YankDownUnder> Third time I've heard of "mouse issues" after installing 17.04...interesting...
[07:07] <FreddyP> ducasse: boot from a live CD  does your mouse work ?
[07:08] <FreddyP> if so then a clean reinstall should fix the issue
[07:08] <Damo> okay so try that?
[07:08] <Damo> because ill have to leave this chat to do so
[07:09] <Damo> as im currently on this channel with my ubuntu system
[07:09] <krypto_> for some reason, from time to time when I click on Files or Trash, it just spins and doesn't open up the apps. A restart or a logout obviously fixes it. Any ideas? Gif here: http://i.imgur.com/PkbfsSX.gif
[07:09] <ducasse> Damo: you've already done that if it worked in the installer
[07:09] <Damo> yeah it worked in the installer
[07:10] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Just as a thought - have you done a cold boot on the 17.04 machine - WITHOUT the mouse plugged in - and then plugged it in after it booted up and logged in? Just wondering...
[07:10] <Damo> Nope, Yank i have not done that as of yet
[07:11] <Damo> but as i said before yank, i tried a different mouse and it still did not work
[07:11] <Damo> the cursor just kept jumping back to its spot (mid a bit to the right)
[07:16] <ducasse> Damo: paste the output of 'lsmod | grep hid' on paste.ubuntu.com and post the url here
[07:31] <balleyne> my gdm just suddenly stopped working on a living room computer that's always on, went you use it and it was down and couldn't restart. I rebooted the whole machine, and now keep getting a "could not detected graphics setting" message
[07:31] <balleyne> last I remember it was working either 12-24h ago, would have been the last time it was used... no idea what changed
[07:35] <skc> restart mysql service
[07:49] <rafiki> wubbalubbadubdub
[07:52] <AppAraat> hello, when I try to ssh from 14.04 to a remote machine it works, but on 16.04 it gives me an error on keytypes: line 18: Bad key types 'ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v00@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519,ssh-rsa'.
[07:52] <AppAraat> ssh version on 14.04 is "OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.8, OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014" while 16.04 is "OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.1, OpenSSL 1.0.2g 1 Mar 2016" so shouldn't 16.04 have those keytypes?
[07:53] <FreddyP> AppAraat: intiate the connection with  ssh -v    it is more verbose and may give you a better clue
[07:55] <AppAraat> FreddyP: right but it just says the same, it can't find the keytypes. My .ssh/config is this: https://bpaste.net/show/c374d4b67e0b
[07:55] <AppAraat> that's pretty strange considering newer versions should AFAIK support more keytypes, especially ed25519
[08:03] <Damo> Hello, ducasse are you still here?
[08:03] <Damo> Can someone please help me?
[08:04] <janko_> What's the problem?
[08:05] <FreddyP> Dam: still got mouse issues ?
[08:05] <FreddyP> Damo:?
[08:06] <Damo> Yes FreddyP
[08:06] <Damo> what do i do? ive got the same issue
[08:07] <AppAraat> FreddyP: re: ssh - it seems that (one of?) the HostKeyAlgorithms has been deprecated. Removing ssh-rsa-cert-v00@openssh.com entry makes it work.
[08:08] <FreddyP> ok
[08:08] <FreddyP> my next suggestion was to create new keys
[08:09] <Damo> create new keys?
[08:10] <AppAraat> fractal: I don't think that would work since I still specified the HostKeyAlgorithms in my config, but still thanks :)
[08:10] <AppAraat> err, FreddyP
[08:10] <Damo> im so confused right now
[08:10] <AppAraat> Damo: he was talking to me.
[08:10] <Damo> Freddy what do you want me to do? what does create new keys mean?
[08:10] <AppAraat> disregard anything to do with keys :p
[08:16] <Damo> im going to give up on ubuntu soon, no one is helping and ive been stuck in this situation for about 6 hours now
[08:16] <janko_> Maybe try debian?
[08:16] <FreddyP> Dano: did booting from the live cd work with your mouse
[08:17] <Damo> Freddy i have not tried. would you like me to try? and what do you mean by boot from live cd? as in the try ubuntu option? on the usb?
[08:17] <janko_> yes
[08:24] <xchen> hello everyone
[08:25] <Damo> Hello
[08:26] <janko_> Hello
[08:26] <Damo> I tryed the live cd thing and my cursor still did the same move and then jump back to the spot
[08:27] <Damo> im dual booting atm and both the partition and the live cd aint letting my cursor move well. on both, i move the cursor then it jumps back to the same spot every time
[08:29] <FreddyP> Damo: that would suggest that you have faulty hardware or Ubuntu does not work with your mouse.
[08:30] <Damo> Freddy my mouse should be fine... i have an razer deathadder 2013 and my hardware is old but ive seen others with the same hardware with ubuntu
[08:31] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Same problem still, eh? Have you dug through any of the wiki/forums yet?
[08:31] <Damo> Yank i have tried so many methods, im about to rip out my hair
[08:32] <Damo> i can move my mouse for a bit then it just jumps back to a spot
[08:32] <YankDownUnder> Damo: What about installing "mouse tweak" - you're running what? 17.04?
[08:33] <Damo> yes, yank what do i type in terminal for mouse tweak
[08:34] <YankDownUnder> Damo: What "version" and desktop are ya running, bro?
[08:41] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Just found something to test out...
[08:59] <xchen> hello everyone
[09:07] <DrManhattan> Hello, I'm running 16.04.2, I was wondering what the OFFICIAL word is from Ubuntu about using fstrim cronjob vs discard in fstab for ssds?
[09:07] <k1l_> DrManhattan: ubuntu setups a cronjob
[09:08] <k1l_> out of the box
[09:08] <DrManhattan> I'm curious what the performance difference would be on a samsung 850 EVO
[09:08] <DrManhattan> thanks k1l_
[09:09] <YankDownUnder> DrManhattan: My boot time (using an Evo SSD 256gb) is 8 seconds.
[09:10] <DrManhattan> YankDownUnder, are you using discard in fstab for that drive or no?
[09:11] <hateball> boot is mostly reads anyhow
[09:11] <YankDownUnder> DrManhattan: This is my entry: UUID=e48be3a0-572a-494b-875b-5c0b0a70858b / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 [09:12] <DrManhattan> hmm, I use noatime and nodiratime on ssd's :)
[09:12] <DrManhattan> I haven't used a separate /boot partition in a long time
[09:12] <DrManhattan> if the drive is shot the drive is shot
[09:12] <YankDownUnder> DrManhattan: Ain't changed anything since installation - aside from adding a few drives. Everything "brown bag"
[09:13] <DrManhattan> YankDownUnder, ahh you are on Ubuntu Desktop and let it auto-partition?
[09:13] <Damo> YankDownUnder: sorry im back
[09:13] <hateball> DrManhattan: this is Ubuntus reasoning for fstrim vs discard anyhow https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-ssd-trimming
[09:13] <Damo> YankDownUnder: im on ubuntu 17.04
[09:13] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Open a terminal and type this: xset m 1/2 4
[09:13] <DrManhattan> hateball, gracias!
[09:14] <Damo> YankDownUnder: okay i did that
[09:14] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Any difference in yer mouse habit?
[09:15] <Damo> YankDownUnder: Nope
[09:15] <Damo> YankDownUnder: what was that mouse thing you wanted me to get
[09:16] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Right...well, in that same term: sudo apt-get install mousetweaks => install that, run that..see if THAT does anything...
[09:16] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Just gave you the instructs...
[09:16] <YankDownUnder> Damo: "mousetweaks"
[09:17] <Damo> okay i installed it, how do i run it?
[09:17] <Damo> YankDownUnder: okay i installed it, how do i run it
[09:18] <YankDownUnder> Damo: It should show up in your menus (should) - then again, you should be able to find it in the /usr/bin directory if you want to run it from the terminal...
[09:18] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Yeah - just "mousetweaks" (duh on me...I'm getting tired...it's late)
[09:19] <Damo> YankDownUnder: i typed "mousetweaks" in terminal and nothing happened
[09:19] <DrManhattan> YankDownUnder, I highly recommend setting the noatime and nodiratime options for your ssd into /etc/fstab
[09:19] <DrManhattan> should cut down the writes quite a bit
[09:20] <YankDownUnder> Damo: If it's installed, as it says it is...then in the terminal you should be able to merely type: mousetweaks ==> simple as that...
[09:21] <Damo> YankDownUnder: i typed "mousetweaks" in terminal and it had done nothing, i dont have damo@root anymore at the start of the line but thats about it
[09:22] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Hit CTRL+C => then type: mousetweaks --help
[09:24] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Another thing to do is to go into the Accessibility settings - either turn off or turn on anything to do with the mouse or trackpad...
[09:25] <p3rror> hello
[09:25] <p3rror> What is the nature of this hash : J/qBjWpMxGmzdhmoijwX3g==
[09:25] <YankDownUnder> DrManhattan: I'll experiement on a different machine - not this one...have the same setup on a different machine that is NOT a production/working machine...and originally, before installing 16.04 on this, I did some digging and was advised to just let the system deal with the SSD's performance...so, at least on this machine, ain't had any issues from that point...
[09:26] <DrManhattan> right on
[09:28] <Damo> YankDownUnder: there are heaps of options with the mousetweaks --help
[09:29] <Damo> YankDownUnder: what one do i use
[09:29] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Did you read what I wrote? Go into Accessibility options, turn off anything and everything to do with mouse/mouse control...and anything to do with trackpad...
[09:30] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Close the terminal and give up on "mousetweak" for a while...what works here AIN'T working there - and I ain't using 17.04 - NOR a Razer mouse...(luckily)
[09:31] <Damo> YankDownUnder: i dont have no accessibility options. do you mean mouse and touchpad?
[09:32] <YankDownUnder> Damo: There's little help on the net for this shit...
[09:32] <pd1> Damo, i think he means universal Access (?!?)
[09:32] <Damo> oh okay
[09:33] <Damo> YankDownUnder: everything in universal access for pointing and clicking is turned off
[09:34] <Damo> YankDownUnder: in fact, everything in universal access is turned off
[09:34] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Just to let you know - as per what's being written in the forums - ain't a fix.
[09:35] <Damo> YankDownUnder: What ubuntu r u using
[09:35] <YankDownUnder> Damo: 16.04 - I don't ever use dev releases anymore...
[09:36] <Damo> YankDownUnder: is there a way of me downloading the ubuntu 16.04 iso and just overwriting the partition with 17.04 on it>
[09:36] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Here's something of interest: http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razercfg.html
[09:36] <YankDownUnder> Damo: It's a "Razer Configuration Tool" - might be worth checking out...
[09:37] <Damo> YankDownUnder: ill; try it
[09:38] <YankDownUnder> Damo: If it fixes ya up, then it's worth it...saves ya from having to blow out all the work you've already done, eh...
[09:38] <YankDownUnder> Damo: So read it all carefully. Twice.
[09:41] <Damo> YankDownUnder: if im correct, when i git clone the file, do i go onto the file and open it into terminal and type ./load?
[09:41] <YankDownUnder> Damo: You'd have to build it. Personally, I'd download the bzip archive and compile it on my own.
[09:42] <YankDownUnder> Damo: In the "git clone" there will be instructions and a really nice README and other docos...read them...
[09:43] <Damo> YankDownUnder: this is all flubba too me
[09:44] <YankDownUnder> Damo: I just found out that it's also part of the PPA's - so you might find it doing (in a terminal): apt search razercfg
[09:44] <Damo> YankDownUnder: its talking about dependencies and cmake and stuff like that
[09:45] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Open a term -> type: apt search razercfg ==> see what shows up...
[09:45] <Damo> YankDownUnder: it said sorting... done then full text search done... and that was it
[09:46] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Have you enabled all the optional PPA's?
[09:46] <Damo> YankDownUnder: how do i do that?
[09:46] <Damo> YankDownUnder: im new to ubuntu
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> Damo: In your software centre, you have a listing of PPA sources...enable all the community sources and extra sources...
[09:48] <YankDownUnder> Damo: As well...there is this: http://tipsonubuntu.com/2017/04/18/install-ubuntu-tweak-ubuntu-17-04/
[09:49] <Damo> YankDownUnder: when you say software centre. Do you mean Ubuntu Software?
[09:49] <ducasse> Damo: he means 'software and updates' in the settings
[09:50] <ducasse> Damo: but it's not in the official repos, must be a ppa.
[09:50] <Damo> ducasse: What am i enabling?
[09:50] <YankDownUnder> I shave my head...I can't pull any hair out...damn
[09:50] <YankDownUnder> Well, at least now I know that there's a "razercfg" and a "qrazercfg" available for 17.04...
[09:51] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Where you can choose what sources are available...
[09:51] <Damo> i give up..
[09:52] <Damo> all of this is rocket science
[09:53] <YankDownUnder> Damo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[09:53] <Damo> YankDownUnder: the only things in my software thing are ubuntu software, other software, updates, authentication, additional drivers and developer options
[09:54] <YankDownUnder> Damo: So choose: Other software -> if it's not ticked already...
[09:54] <Damo> YankDownUnder: in that ive ticked everything that has ppa in it
[09:54] <CrazyTux> hello, please help me. When I click the reload icon on Synaptic Package Manager I am getting this error...http://paste.ubuntu.com/24419244/
[09:55] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Right...so save all that jazz...close it.
[09:55] <Damo> YankDownUnder: yep done
[09:56] <CrazyTux> can anybody please let me know what is the problem there?
[09:56] <ducasse> CrazyTux: you are banned here, and you know that. please don't try to evade it.
[09:56] <CrazyTux> ducasse, why?
[09:56] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Open a terminal.
[09:56] <Damo> YankDownUnder: yep
[09:57] <YankDownUnder> Damo: In the terminal type: sudo apt-get update
[09:57] <ducasse> CrazyTux: if you want to discuss it, take it up in #ubuntu-ops
[09:57] <CrazyTux> I am using Ubuntu. Why you are banning me?
[09:57] <Damo> YankDownUnder: done
[09:58] <YankDownUnder> Damo: Now, in the terminal, type: apt search razercfg
[09:58] <Night_> Hey has anyone seen this even when running 17.04?  "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS end-of-life is April 25, 2017 -- Upgrade your Precise systems!"
[09:58] <Ben64> Night_: are you sure you're running 17.04
[09:58] <Damo> YankDownUnder: it did the exact same thing it did before
[09:59] <YankDownUnder> Damo: So it's not showing up?
[09:59] <Damo> YankDownUnder: nope
[09:59] <ducasse> Night_: Ben64: it does that on both my zesty machines as well
[09:59] <Ben64> ducasse: weird
[09:59] <Duality> hi
[09:59] <Damo> YankDownUnder: i already have the razer cfg file tho, its on my desktop
[09:59] <Duality> unity doesn't start i think, after login in the only thing that appears is a background image
[09:59] <Night_> Release:        17.04
[09:59] <Night_> Codename:       zesty
[10:00] <Damo> YankDownUnder: the readme file is so jibberish to me tho
[10:00] <Duality> what logs can i look at to figure it out ?
[10:00] <Night_> Duality:  lets see after april 15 if it goes away
[10:00] <rockworldmi> Hi all
[10:00] <ducasse> Duality: try logging in as guest
[10:01] <YankDownUnder> Damo: It's late for me...it might behoove you to read up a bit on Ubuntu...I'll be back online tomorrow...and there might be others here now that might be able to help with this...but for me, it's late, I'm old and bed calls
[10:01] <Damo> YankDownUnder: ok, bye man
[10:02] <rockworldmi> I am following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI for Sony vaio laptop but enable to boot with uefi
[10:06] <Damo> ducasse: are you still here
[10:06] <ducasse> Damo: yes, but ask your questions to the channel
[10:07] <Duality> Night_: it's 20'th of April here
[10:08] <Duality> it's a dev board but if the desktop won't start i can't test things
[10:08] <Duality> :S
[10:09] <ducasse> Duality: does it work if you log in as guest?
[10:09] <CrazyTux> ducasse, please help me.
[10:09] <Night_> Duality:  hehe gotta love it
[10:10] <Night_> Duality:  did you upgrade from 16.xx?
[10:10] <Night_> I did not get 4.10 kernel only 4.8
[10:12] <hetii> Hi :)
[10:12] <Duality> ducasse: i don't have a keyboard or mouse connected but did make a autologin config for lightdm, would that be the user guest ?
[10:13] <hetii> short question: how the hell I can pass to shell script name of of that have multiple spaces like "foo bar   xyz.txt" ?
[10:13] <hetii> I try get it by reading $@ var but its translated to  "foo bar xyz.txt"
[10:13] <hetii> and I need to get proper file path
[10:13] <blackflow> hetii: put it in quotes like you did here :)
[10:14] <ducasse> Duality: i'm not sure how the guest session stuff works, other than being a 'clean' session. what kind of board is this?
[10:14] <hetii> blackflow, you mean "$@" ?
[10:14] <blackflow> hetii: no I mean the filename with spaces
[10:14] <blackflow> hetii: but yes, in a script you should also put vars that might contain string with spaces, inside quotes
[10:14] <pynki> hetii, ./script.sh "what              ever with spaces.txt"
[10:15] <hetii> the file name is pass to the script by file manager (I try to open .url fles and pass url to firefox
[10:15] <hetii> so when I click by file with .url extension then my scrip should be called and file name is passed to ir
[10:16] <hetii> *to it
[10:16] <hetii> without my interaction
[10:16] <hetii> so I cannot add " "
[10:16] <faugusztin> hetii: you get it escaped from the other app, no ?
[10:16] <blackflow> hetii: it's probably using shell escaping otherwise it'd be a very severe security issue
[10:16] <faugusztin> so it will be what
[10:16] <Night_> meh kernel upgrade brb
[10:16] <faugusztin> what\ ever\ with\ spaces.txt
[10:16] <blackflow> hetii: so use the first param variable, $1 and put it in quotes, in your script, eg.   echo "$1"
[10:17] <faugusztin> hetii: that is how you should receive the path, imo
[10:17] <faugusztin> hetii: or maybe you are looking for http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7126580/expand-a-possible-relative-path-in-bash ?
[10:18] <slipttees> Hi guys.. I have Disk imminent to failure, so i try clone for new harddrive and I can't copy more than 3,7GB of 640GB. msg "dd: errpr reading 'standard input': Input/Output error" I use "dd if= of= conv=noerror, sync"
[10:18] <slipttees> any help?
[10:19] <ducasse> slipttees: use ddrescue from gddrescue package instead
[10:19] <slipttees> ducasse: i try bro ;-)
[10:21] <pynki> !info libowfat
[10:21] <Duality> ducasse: sorry i am reflashing it right now with new firmware
[10:22] <Duality> ducasse: jetson tx2
[10:22] <slipttees> ducasse: so, "pv /dev/sda | ddrescue of=/dev/sdb bs=100M conv=noerror; sync"
[10:22] <pynki> :/
[10:22] <pynki> Duality, what problems do you have?
[10:22] <ducasse> slipttees: read the ddrescue man page, the syntax is slightly different iirc
[10:23] <pynki> Duality, the ubuntu account should be configured auto login if you have flashed the jetpack or the example filesystem nvidia provides
[10:23] <slipttees> ducasse: yes
[10:23] <Duality> pynki: after auto loging in, the destop appears with only a background image
[10:23] <pynki> Duality, you flashed with the jetpack 3.0 installer?
[10:23] <Duality> yes
[10:24] <pynki> Duality, you have a serial to usb adapter?
[10:24] <ducasse> slipttees: https://datarecovery.com/rd/how-to-clone-hard-disks-with-ddrescue/
[10:25] <Duality> pynki: i am currently reflashing it with jetpack3.0 to see if that fixes it
[10:25] <pynki> Duality, the J21 pins give you a serial console to check the boot process. could check logs there
[10:28] <Duality> pynki: that did the trick :D
[10:28] <pynki> Duality, if the jetpack flshing has problems download the BSP and the example filesystem and flash them as in the quick start guide
[10:28] <pynki> Duality, OK!
[10:29] <slipttees> ducasse: ddrescue output file exists and is not a regular file
[10:29] <slipttees> :/
[10:30] <mc_fail> hi guys, i'm trying to update from 15.04 to 15.10 so i can update to 16.04 then, but it seems like all repositories for it are removed now, i'm getting 404 everywhere when i run apt-get update
[10:30] <mc_fail> is there any fix for it?
[10:31] <mc_fail> all mirrors i have in sources.list look like old-releases.ubuntu.com
[10:31] <slipttees> ducasse: use --force and go
[10:31] <slipttees> kkk
[10:34] <ducasse> mc_fail: did you try the regular archives before trying old-releases?
[10:37] <mc_fail> ducasse i didn't try abything actually
[10:37] <mc_fail> it was like that when i started this computer
[10:37] <ducasse> mc_fail: i think you should, i actually don't think those repos have been removed from the archives yet.
[10:37] <oerheks> i would do a fresh install, 16.04 brings too many changes.
[10:39] <mc_fail> oerheks do you think the upgrade may break everything?
[10:40] <oerheks> mc_fail, no, but a fresh start with systemD would be my choise.
[10:40] <oerheks> .. and it is much faster than 2x upgrade
[10:42] <slipttees> uipi, gnome is back!! :-)
[10:45] <thyriaen> Hi, is there a way to have a partly transparent picture ontop of your screen but you can interact with the stuff behind ? I would like to have this kind of "overlay" so i can kinda draw it in my program of choice if you understand what i mean :)
[10:48] <rud0lf> use gimp and layer transparency?
[10:48] <rud0lf> just a random thought
[10:52] <caine> wanna h4x the russiams
[10:53] <ducasse> !ot | caine
[10:53] <bazhang> caine, not topical here, please stop
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:58] <pynki> aloa
[10:58] <l0llip0p> hi
[10:59] <thyriaen> rud0lf, i do not know gimp but that sounds like a plausible solution - however i use mypaint, which is a drawing kinda program designed for use with wacompad+stylus - i do not like to change it and i dont think that program has that functionality : thus i am looking for a general case
[11:00] <proxx_> Oh damn nigga
[11:01] <pynki> !info python-xlib | thyriaen
[11:03] <thyriaen> pynki, oh thank you - just to be clear - are you suggesting a write a little python program that does that for me ?
[11:07] <detly> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 17.04 from USB onto a Lenovo Yoga 460 - I got to the screen "Preparing to install Ubuntu", selected "Download updates while installing Ubuntu" and "Install third-party software...", entered a passphrase to disable secure boot, and clicked "Continue". Now the mouse spinner has been going for about 15 minutes with no signs of progress.
[11:07] <detly> What should I try next?
[11:07] <pynki> thyriaen, when i got you right you want an overlay over the whole screen(?) or windows (?) that is transparent and independant of the window manager, right?
[11:07] <pynki> i like tath there is a wikipedia page for "independant" saying: 1. Misspelling if independent :D
[11:07] <adac> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c8ac84e861d0bcd93337a2926acccce1 this is hwoing me the docker installations. However when I do:  apt-get remove docker-engine it says:
[11:07] <adac> Package 'docker-engine' is not installed, so not removed
[11:07] <adac> any ideas?
[11:10] <thyriaen> yes pynki whole screen or window is both fine with me
[11:11] <pynki> thyriaen, the lib i suggested should be able to draw what ever you want on the screen
[11:12] <thyriaen> pynki, sounds cool - is it a little program i pass the picture to or is it a python library i write a little program around ?
[11:14] <detly> ah, turns out the answer was: wait for 30 mins
[11:14] <pynki> thyriaen, i never used the lib. have a look at this example https://github.com/python-xlib/python-xlib/blob/master/examples/draw.py. seems to enable you drawing on a window
[11:14] <pynki> thyriaen, its a libibrary you write your python code aroubnd
[11:16] <implite> woot we are talking about python in the ubuntu channel
[11:17] <thyriaen> okay pynki thanks a lot - will try that out
[11:17] <thyriaen> implite, if ubuntu cant do it - one has to do it for oneself
[11:18] <implite> well normally they jump on the !ot button so fast
[11:20] <thyriaen> what does !ot do ?
[11:20] <thyriaen> ah off topic :P
[11:20] <implite> !ot : thyriaen
[11:20] <implite> !ot
[11:22] <jordila> mmh... i (apparently) installed from LiveUSB, onto a Windows 10. Choosing to remove Winbugs partitions... Install process finalized succesfully. Yet, i cannot (re)boot it. "Boot failure a proper digital signature was not found" .    S.O.S.
[11:31] <rejns> hello guys, i'm having problems with waking up computer from suspend (ubuntu 16.04.2). Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, I noticed when computer is suspended for longer period of time usually won't wake up
[11:31] <rejns> how to diagnose this ?
[11:39] <bonsaitree> My Wi-Fi link speed problem is still unresolved. I get the same speeds as i got before and as declared by my ISP when i am on Ethernet (on Linux) and when i am on both Wi-Fi and Ethernet on Windows. I was suspicious that the origin of the problem is because i have been removing certain bin files in /lib/firmware, but it turned out that it's not the case, since i did a fresh install and the problem is still here. I now suspect that it's a certain
[11:39] <bonsaitree> system update that messed things up. Any ideas?
[11:41] <pynki> bonsaitree, is 11n enabled? read something yesterday about another intel wifi card while looking for problems with the 6200
[11:42] <pynki> its the advanced 6200 problem right or am i on the wrong topic?
[11:42] <bonsaitree> pynki: Yes, i wrote yesterday too
[11:42] <klemax> I've added 250 ips for squid server but users have been still connecting on main IP. What am i missing exactly?
[11:42] <bonsaitree> pynki:It is disabled in the .conf file, checked yesterday
[11:43] <bonsaitree> pynki, Actually that was before the fresh install, so let me check again
[11:44] <bonsaitree> pynki, Since lots of members here told me that disabling the N functionality actually resolves the link speed issue.
[11:47] <indelab5> how do i install a windows VM
[11:48] <pynki> !info virtualbox | indelab5
[11:48] <bonsaitree> pynki, Yes, it is disabled
[11:49] <pynki> try to enable it. i do not get why it should make the wifgi slower exept for driver issues. but i have no insight in the issue on the ubuntu driver side
[11:49] <satanist> hi is there a way to apt-pin the current installed version?
[11:53] <bonsaitree> pynki, I did, the bandwidth is the same. In some cases not even reaching 20 Mbit/s, maxing at 16. I have also tried with downloading a torrent, to see the real speed of the link and it is really the same as Speedtest is telling.
[11:54] <indelab5> how the heck do i install virtualbox
[11:55] <hateball> !virtualbox
[11:55] <pynki> indelab5, apt-get install virtualbox
[11:56] <pynki> indelab5, or use the "software center" if you have the time....
[12:07] <L00P3X> Greetings.. seems there is no gparted related channel over freenode so i may ask here because it relates to future ubuntu install..  i also would restore and wipe this oold harddrive to zero before installing a new system.. seems gparted live doesn't have this function and I haven't could find livecds or secure ways to do so.. thank you
[12:07] <L00P3X> *wipe to zero
[12:08] <pynki> !info shred | LOOP3X
[12:09] <blackflow> L00P3X: you can use dd from the live USB to wipe out a drive
[12:09] <Ben64> it's in coreutils
[12:09] <Ben64> but really, just dd if=/dev/zero of=drive
[12:09] <L00P3X> pynky, ubottu, what that means
[12:09] <blackflow> add bs=1M because default is 4k
[12:10] <L00P3X> hy Ben64, what a live cd should i use?
[12:10] <Ben64> ubuntu
[12:10] <L00P3X> oh.. so i run it live and use the terminal?
[12:11] <L00P3X> and continue whit install?
[12:11] <Ben64> if that's what you want to do yes
[12:12] <L00P3X> i would simply wipe this drive to 0.. it has many block and is very old
[12:12] <Ben64> it's not really necessary to do that
[12:12] <L00P3X> used gparted since now and doesn't knowed about this missing function
[12:13] <L00P3X> ben64, what would you suggest?
[12:13] <Ben64> to just delete the partitions and install
[12:13] <dcmertens> What's a good channel for static IP configuration troubles?
[12:14] <L00P3X> it's may a usless step wipe it to 0?
[12:14] <Ben64> L00P3X: yes
[12:14] <bonsaitree> My Wi-Fi link speed problem is still unresolved. I get the same speeds as i got before and as declared by my ISP when i am on Ethernet (on Linux) and when i am on both Wi-Fi and Ethernet on Windows. I was suspicious that the origin of the problem is because i have been removing certain bin files in /lib/firmware, but it turned out that it's not the case, since i did a fresh install and the problem is still here. I now suspect that it's a certain
[12:14] <bonsaitree> system update that messed things up. Any ideas?
[12:14] <blackflow> zeroing sectors on an old drive would flush out bad sectors and force reallocation. Better to do that before real data is put on it, plus many bad sectors would indicate if you better replace the drive
[12:14] <L00P3X> this would me save a lot of paranoia Ben64.. but thought this could refresh this oold drive
[12:15] <Ben64> L00P3X: thats why i said you can do it if you want
[12:15] <L00P3X> when i actualy start ubuntu i a lot of blocks on the first black screen
[12:15] <L00P3X> doesn't know why
[12:17] <L00P3X> for get secure.. ubuntu also handles blank drives if i still do it? simply use livecd, wipe, install
[12:18] <dcmertens> Hello all. I'm trying to set up my machine to use a static IP address. I think I've set up /etc/network/interface properly, but it won't connect
[12:19] <Ben64> dcmertens: give details, use hastebin.com if you need multiple lines
[12:19] <dcmertens> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24419888/
[12:20] <dcmertens> IT guys gave me this to work with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24419892/
[12:20] <guest-ryjm5m> !!
[12:20] <Xatenev> Hi
[12:20] <Xatenev> Suddenly I have no sound anymore.
[12:20] <guest-ryjm5m> hi
[12:20] <Xatenev> I had that issue some weeks ago - and managed to fix it by typing in sudo alsactl restore
[12:20] <guest-ryjm5m> why?
[12:20] <Xatenev> This time - it doesn't work
[12:20] <dcmertens> when I let Network Manager work on its own, it works fine, but then my IP address is, presumably, not static
[12:21] <Xatenev> ic
[12:21] <Xatenev> https://bpaste.net/show/00c2f807db8c
[12:21] <Xatenev> I get that output from sudo alsactl restore
[12:21] <Xatenev> Any idea what I can try?=(
[12:22] <Ben64> dcmertens: did you know # means this line is a comment
[12:22] <dcmertens> Ben64, yes
[12:22] <Ben64> so how would that ever work
[12:22] <dcmertens> If it's uncommented, I wouldn't be online. :-)
[12:23] <Ben64> why isn't enp0s31f6 in there at all
[12:24] <dcmertens> Ben64, I thought if it's not in .../interfaces, then NetworkManager handles it
[12:24] <Xatenev> Nobody?
[12:24] <bonsaitree> My Wi-Fi link speed problem is still unresolved. I get the same speeds as i got before and as declared by my ISP when i am on Ethernet (on Linux) and when i am on both Wi-Fi and Ethernet on Windows. I was suspicious that the origin of the problem is because i have been removing certain bin files in /lib/firmware, but it turned out that it's not the case, since i did a fresh install and the problem is still here. I now suspect that it's a certain
[12:24] <bonsaitree> system update that messed things up. Any ideas?
[12:24] <Ben64> dcmertens: why not set up static ip in the network manager then
[12:24]  * dcmertens shrugs
[12:24] <dcmertens> same problem
[12:24] <Ben64> try that
[12:25] <dcmertens> I felt like the documentation for /etc/network/interfaces was more thorough, and covered more corner cases, so I thought I'd go with that
[12:25] <Ben64> here's a question... what ip does enp0s31f6 have now
[12:25] <dcmertens> Ben64, similar: 198.187.213.57
[12:26] <dcmertens> as opposed to the assigned 198.187.213.245
[12:26] <Ben64> and network mask?
[12:26] <dcmertens> same: 255.255.255.0
[12:26] <Ben64> can you ping other computers on the network when it's static
[12:27] <dcmertens> Yes... well, I've tried pinging a google server by direct IP address
[12:27] <pynki> try to ping 198.187.213.245
[12:27] <dcmertens> pynki, nothing
[12:28] <Ben64> try something more like 198.187.213.1
[12:28] <pynki> Ben64, just wanted to make sure no iother device has his ip address
[12:29] <Ben64> pynki: i know
[12:29] <dcmertens> that works with my machine as currently running, but I can try again when the machine is using a static IP addres
[12:29] <dcmertens> pynki++
[12:29] <Ben64> but i'm saying start local instead of google
[12:29] <dcmertens> Ben64, right, but nonlocal IP addresses worked, so presumably local would also work
[12:30] <Ben64> when did nonlocal work
[12:30] <dcmertens> Ben64, only when I entered the exact IP address
[12:30] <dcmertens> but not when I said "ping google.com"
[12:30] <Ben64> you didn't mention that
[12:30] <dcmertens> sorry
[12:30] <Ben64> so it's a dns problem
[12:30] <dcmertens> yeah
[12:30] <Ben64> easy, pick the right dns
[12:30] <dcmertens> something I figured out yesterday
[12:30] <dcmertens> but forgot by this morning
[12:30]  * dcmertens feels a little sheepish
[12:31] <pynki> then ping 198.187.214.2
[12:31] <dcmertens> pynki, that works
[12:32] <pynki> "nslookup google.com 198.187.214.2" resolves?
[12:32] <dcmertens> pynki, I can check
[12:32]  * dcmertens grabs laptop
[12:34] <dcmertens> hmm, very odd, I can't get on to #ubuntu on my other machine
[12:34] <AlbertJB> Hello. I have a doubt. I use to work on Ubuntu (Linux) OS, and I frequently use very long names for files. I have a NTFS partition where I store all my data, with no problems. I have even copied all files to an external NTFS Hard Drive. But what a surprise when I try to copy those files to another PC with Windows 7. The system is not able to copy some files with long names or long pathnames. From what I know, Windows 7 is NTFS.
[12:34] <AlbertJB> So, could you explain me please what the hell ocurs here? Thanks in advance.
[12:36] <Ben64> AlbertJB: ntfs is weird, for more information ask ##windows
[12:36] <dcmertens_> Ben64, restarting server with static IP, cross your fingers...
[12:37] <pynki> AlbertJB, like bigger than 255 chars?
[12:37] <AlbertJB> yes
[12:37] <pynki> AlbertJB, then ntfs just is not able to do it
[12:37] <AlbertJB> with comas and parenthesis
[12:37] <pynki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[12:40] <AlbertJB> for example, /media/dades/Documents /Estudis/1997-2001  -  IES Ramon Muntaner/1997-1999 - ESO/Altres/Treballs, redaccions../Premis Literaris Sant Jordi Ramon Muntaner (ESO)/1999/El tresor del fons del mar. Per quan arribi el dia (1r Premi Ramon Muntaner Poesia 1999).doc
[12:40] <AlbertJB> this is a pathname
[12:40] <pynki> if its more that 255 chars you exceed the limits of what ntfs can do
[12:41] <pynki> for the filename
[12:41] <AlbertJB> but this file IS ON an NTFS partition
[12:41] <AlbertJB> :S
[12:41] <dcmertens> Ben64, pynki so... it now appears to be working
[12:41] <dcmertens> sometimes you just need somebody else to look over your shoulder
[12:41] <bonsaitree> My Wi-Fi link speed problem is still unresolved. I get the same speeds as i got before and as declared by my ISP when i am on Ethernet (on Linux) and when i am on both Wi-Fi and Ethernet on Windows. I was suspicious that the origin of the problem is because i have been removing certain bin files in /lib/firmware, but it turned out that it's not the case, since i did a fresh install and the problem is still here. I now suspect that it's a certain
[12:41] <bonsaitree> system update that messed things up. I have also tried logging with different kernel versions but there is no difference. Any ideas?
[12:42] <dcmertens> Ben64++
[12:42] <dcmertens> pynki++
[12:43] <akik> AlbertJB: the path you pasted is less than 255 chars, it's 245
[12:43] <akik> AlbertJB: starting from Documents
[12:43] <AlbertJB> hmm
[12:43] <AlbertJB> well windows 7 does not support it
[12:44] <akik> AlbertJB: you have ".." in the dir name. does that cause the problem?
[12:45] <Ben64> should really be asking about ntfs filename limitation on windows 7 in ##windows
[12:45] <Ben64> it's not an ubuntu issue
[12:46] <pynki> and the whole thing 157 chars long
[12:46] <pynki> 257
[12:46] <pynki> and Ben64 is right - we can just speculate here or share google insight
[12:47] <akik> pynki: /media/dades is not on the ntfs
[12:47] <AlbertJB> sorry yes it's the .. in this case
[12:49] <AlbertJB> is there any program that scan a File System to check all the files not supported by NTFS? any idea..
[12:49] <Ben64> AlbertJB: no
[12:50] <akik> AlbertJB: this is a topic for ##windows. i wasn't even able to create a dir ending with ".."
[12:50] <AlbertJB> ok
[12:52] <AlbertJB> but it's strange that I could copy all those files to an external NTFS hard drive without any problem
[12:54] <L00P3X> thank you guys.. i'm out
[12:59] <implite> AlbertJB
[13:00] <implite> yes linux can read ntfs partitions
[13:00] <implite> what is the issue you are having?
[13:00] <implite> !ntfs
[13:01] <Southern_Gentlem> implite, his path with filename is longer than 255
[13:01] <geri> hi how can i compare the 2 gzcat outputs?
[13:01] <Southern_Gentlem> diff file1 file2
[13:02] <implite> ya then changing the folder names and stuff really helps a lot
[13:02] <implite> there was a program i had when copying stuff it asked me if i wanted to change the folder names
[13:03] <implite> i think it was teracopy or something like that
[13:04] <geri> Southern_Gentlem: the output of gzcat output?
[13:04] <AlbertJB> sorry for the delay, implite, my issue is that I can't copy some long filenames or pathnames to W7
[13:05] <AlbertJB> while I am able to do it to a NTFS partition
[13:05] <akik> AlbertJB: did you rename the ".." and try again the operation?
[13:06] <AlbertJB> could you help me please write a regex expression or script to check longer than 255 characters filenames?
[13:06] <AlbertJB> akik not yet, because I have the problem with lots of other files
[13:06] <AlbertJB> not related to ..
[13:07] <AlbertJB> but thanks for the help
[13:08] <ale_> how to install slack on ubuntu mate?
[13:08] <geri> Southern_Gentlem: how can i pass text and not a file to diff?
[13:09] <niee> hi folks. how to install python-statgrab in mint 17
[13:10] <oerheks> ale_, sudo apt install slack # and make sure you have universe repo enabled
[13:10] <ale_> ssh: Could not resolve hostname slack-master: Name or service not known
[13:10] <ale_> rsync: did not see server greeting
[13:10] <ale_> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1653) [Receiver=3.1.1]
[13:10] <ale_> FATAL[slack-getroles]: 'rsync --links --times -e ssh slack-master::slack/etc/roles.conf /var/cache/slack/_role_list' exited 5 at /usr/lib/slack/slack-getroles line 158.
[13:10] <ale_> FATAL[slack]: '/usr/lib/slack/slack-getroles' exited 5 at /usr/sbin/slack line 205.
[13:10] <ale_> you know this error?
[13:10] <oerheks> !find python-statgrab
[13:11] <oerheks> niee, ask the mint channel, it is not in our ubuntu repos
[13:11] <niee> ok
[13:12] <niee> oerheks, mint channel is empty
[13:12] <oerheks> niee, it is on spotchat irc
[13:12] <oerheks> !mint
[13:13] <niee> ok tnx oerheks
[13:25] <alexandreo> #r/leagueoflegends
[13:38] <salva> I had upgraded to beta zesty several months ago, and then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" frequently, but since 17.04 was released, I am not getting any new package. Is that expected? Are the repos still frozen?
[13:39] <Ben64> salva: maybe switch repos
[13:39] <sb_9> hi folks
[13:40] <slipttees> hi
[13:42] <daveomcd> i've tried installing gnome on my ubuntu machine a couple of times now, each time I go completely through the installation and set it to use gdm3 instead of lightdm, but once I restart, it always hangs on reboot - and then I have to revert to an earlier snapshot of my system in vmware.  Anyone know what I'm perhaps doing wrong?
[13:42] <Ben64> daveomcd: how are you installing
[13:44] <daveomcd> Ben64, I've done it two different ways, one was a sudo get install command (forget the exact package something like gnome-ubuntu-desktop) and also I tried by clicking a link to apt://gnome-shell on omgubuntu.co.uk
[13:44] <daveomcd> both gave me the same results
[13:45] <Ben64> after installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop you can select it from the login screen
[13:45] <daveomcd> Ben64, the problem is it never makes it to the login screen... perhaps because I always choose gdm3? I can reinstall and tell  you exactly where it hangs at
[13:46] <Ben64> don't mess with that
[13:46] <Ben64> just install gnome and select it at login
[13:46] <daveomcd> ok let me try again with lightdm
[13:47] <john__> hi
[13:48] <john__> test
[13:48] <daveomcd> john__, we can see your messages
[13:48] <john__> yay
[13:48] <john__> bye
[13:50] <Xatenev> lmao
[13:50] <[US][LINUX][A]^8> Hello guys! Could you help me with an error? I want to install libssh-0.1 on my Ubuntu Server 17.04, but I get some errors: https://pastebin.com/U3GQ8fwW
[13:51] <Ben64> LordLupus: compiling your own stuff isn't supported in here
[13:51] <LordLupus> No, I want to install libssh-0.1.
[13:51] <Ben64> looks a lot like compiling
[13:52] <indelab5> I installed VirtualBox from the terminal, but now I don't know how to open it. (I couldn't find it in the files or applications menu) Anyone know how to do this???
[13:52] <LordLupus> Yes, I need it to compile a file, but I know how to compile it. That file requires libssh-0.1 :|.
[13:52] <Ben64> LordLupus: so again, compiling isn't supported in this channel
[13:53] <LordLupus> indelab5, what Operating System are you using?
[13:53] <indelab5> Ubuntu MATE
[13:53] <Ben64> indelab5: "virtualbox"
[13:54] <indelab5> i installed virtualbox from the terminal, fyi
[13:54] <scottjl> type "virtualbox" on a command line.
[13:54] <LordLupus> I have no idea.
[13:55] <indelab5> ok thx
[13:56] <scottjl> indelab5: just a general tip, if you're unsure what commands to use in the command line, try something like man -k <keyword> and you'll get a list of commands that have that in the man page. like man -k virtualbox
[13:56] <bonsaitree> Is there a way to install the 4.10 kernel, without updating the distro version?
[13:56] <bonsaitree> Or the 16.04 won't work well with 4.10 kernel?
[13:56] <Ben64> bonsaitree: you're on 16.04 now?
[13:56] <bonsaitree> Ben62:Yes
[13:57] <bonsaitree> 16.04.2
[13:57] <Ben64> bonsaitree: what kernel
[13:57] <bonsaitree> Ben64, 4.4.0-72-generic
[13:58] <Ben64> bonsaitree: install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[13:59] <daveomcd> Ben64, got it up and running thanks for the help!
[14:00] <bonsaitree> Ben64, Thanks
[14:00] <bonsaitree> Ben64, install: missing destination file operand after 'linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge'
[14:01] <dstepanenko> #openstack-meeting-alt
[14:16] <dannyLopez> HI.
[14:16] <pvh_sa> hey there, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 with latest upgrades, using a Dell XPS 15 9550. I've got a problem like described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/804835/suspend-works-as-shutdown - suspend shuts down the computer. any ideas?
[14:18] <hitman1> Sound not working in ubuntu 17.04
[14:19] <hitman1> !ubottu
[14:23] <grit> 00:55 -!- nignog [~AIDS@niggerfaggot.solutions] has joined #ubuntu
[14:23] <grit> 01:26 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+o dax] by ChanServ
[14:23] <grit> 01:26 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@niggerfaggot.solutions] by dax
[14:24] <hitman1> also I can't surf google, youtube, gmail on ubuntu while rest of the websites seems to be working fine.
[14:38] <daveomcd> I've had gnome freeze a couple of times now randomly when attempting to search/visit activities. I tried using Ctrl+Alt+F1 but nothing happens. How can I "unfreeze" my instance?
[14:39] <dolly> Hello
[14:41] <grantwu> Can I do an upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04 and still keep GNOME as my default DE?  Currently running Ubuntu GNOME 16.10.
[14:42] <scottjl> grantwu: you just choose your DE when you are at the login screen (GDM or whatever you're using)
[14:42] <dolly> scottjl: hi
[14:42] <k1l_> grantwu: there are no changes for 17.04.
[14:43] <scottjl> dolly: hi.
[14:43] <k1l_> grantwu: the change comes after the 17.04 release. but there the upgrade will still work.
[14:44] <ericus> why would apache not show me the website of a domain.com/test site?
[14:44] <ericus> it shows me the files in /test insted
[14:44] <ericus> instead*
[14:44] <implite> Happy 4:20 ubuntu
[14:45] <implite> ;)
[14:45] <marvin2> is it possible to change alt-tab's behavior to get it to show all windows instead of grouping same program windows together?
[14:45] <k1l_> ericus: not activated php module or what ever you use there?
[14:45] <ericus> the actual domain works, and subdomains
[14:48] <dolly> How to add the sound option to notification bar?
[14:49] <oerheks> dolly, on Unity ?
[14:50] <dolly> yes
[14:50] <oerheks> dolly, open systemsettings > sound > bottom of the 1st page = "show sound volume.. "
[14:51] <dolly> oerheks: it is already ticked.
[14:51] <oerheks> dolly, then i have no clue
[14:53] <dolly> also my left speaker isn't working and I know it is hardware problem.
[14:54] <oerheks> *if* there is no soundcard found, there will be no tools
[14:54] <dolly> ok
[14:54] <ozzpy_> #zftalk
[14:55] <oerheks> I 've only seen that on a server
[15:03] <thatlizdude> so today I tried to login and my Ubuntu didn't take the correct password, any ideas why? I had to restart it to work
[15:05] <thatlizdude> I found it to be kind of a big issue, since then I couldn't access my console output that I needed
[15:06] <blkadder> thatlizdude Check the logs?
[15:07] <thatlizdude> blkadder I don't have access to it right now... I was just wondering if this is some kind of known issue
[15:07] <thatlizdude> because having a system that won't take my password is useless for me
[15:07] <lenovo> ola
[15:08] <lenovo> bom dia
[15:08] <thatlizdude> did this happen to anyone before?
[15:10] <thatlizdude> ok so when I'll be able to access it, what's the location of the logs?
[15:14] <blkadder> thatlizdude Start with /var/log/auth.log and check messages as well
[15:15] <onto> Hi! I am trying to create an ubuntu 14.04 box with vagrant using nfs on a 16.04 host but I get the following error: "exportfs[1280]: exportfs: can't open /etc/exports for reading"; does anyone know what is causing this error?
[15:18] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone
[15:19] <arunpyasi> why do I get error "iptables v1.6.0: multiple -d flags not allowed" when I run sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.100 -dport 554 -j DNAT -to-destination 10.8.0.2:554 ,
[15:20] <nacc> arunpyasi: -d 192.168.1.100 and -dport
[15:20] <nacc> arunpyasi: quite literally the exact error message you provided
[15:20] <johnfg> Does xinit have to be installed separately from unity on server 17.04 for unity to work?
[15:21] <zacktu> I'm doing a straightforward upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 from Update Manager.  I have a message "While scanning your repository information no mirror entry for the upgrade was found. This can happen if you run an internal mirror or if the mirror information is out of date."  What do I modify?  turn off?  turn on?
[15:21] <nacc> arunpyasi: i think you meant maybe --dport?
[15:22] <johnfg> i.e., just installing unity doesn't pull xinit in?
[15:22] <ioria> johnfg, install ubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <nacc> johnfg: no, as it's not a full desktop environment on its own (afaict) from the packaging
[15:23] <nacc> zacktu: are you using a non-public mirror?
[15:24] <johnfg> ioria: I already installed unity.  Would you recommend that I remove unity, then install ubuntu-desktop?
[15:24] <nacc> johnfg: ubuntu-desktop depends on unity currently
[15:24] <arunpyasi> nacc, hmm.. will try
[15:24] <ioria> johnfg,  no, go on
[15:25] <zacktu> nacc: I'm using the mirror at club.cc.cmu.edu.  Sometimes I use duke.edu or gatech.edu.
[15:25] <johnfg> So just install ubuntu-desktop?
[15:25] <ioria> yep
[15:25] <nacc> zacktu: all on the same system?
[15:25] <ioria> johnfg, if you really want unity on a server ..
[15:25] <zacktu> nacc:  yes
[15:25] <nacc> zacktu: not exactly typical to switch mirrors. But possibly the current mirror is not syncd for some reason.
[15:26] <arunpyasi> nacc, can you help me translate that command to firewalld ?
[15:26] <johnfg> ioria: Yeah, I addressed that question yesterday.  I've really run no linux except servers, but have pretty much always had a desktop too, going back to the att 3b's.
[15:26] <nacc> arunpyasi: i don't know antying about either, just translated the error
[15:26] <zacktu> nacc:  I was on gatech.edu this AM.  The command line update stalled on updating headers, so I switched to cmu.edu.
[15:27] <zacktu> nacc: switched on synaptic
[15:28] <scottjl> sure it was the right password? sure you didn't typo it? caps lock off? keyboard wasn't in dvorak mode?
[15:28] <scottjl> oops.
[15:28] <scottjl> ignore that
[15:28] <ioria> johnfg, i'd advice against unity on a server... but the server installer itself gives you that optiopn
[15:28] <ioria> *option
[15:29] <zacktu> nacc: maybe I should use  ubuntu.us or whatever the default server is named
[15:29] <johnfg> ioria: I'm interested in your reason why not?  simply security?
[15:29] <ioria> johnfg, big, heavy, troublesome
[15:29] <scottjl> i guess it depends on your definition of "server"
[15:29] <scottjl> most traditional servers run headless, so what's the point of a gui installed?
[15:30] <scottjl> even more so if it's a vm.
[15:30] <johnfg> ioria: As 'servers' are much more affordable now, and headless, as scottjl said, I may keep just the ubuntu server without a gui at that time.
[15:31] <scottjl> a gui could suck up cpu cycles which could be put to better use. but then again scheduling shouldn't give it much time if it's not active. same with memory use.
[15:32] <ioria> johnfg, you may need a gui sometimes... but not necessarily Unity
[15:32] <ioria> johnfg,  a light window manager  will be enough
[15:32] <scottjl> ioria: if you have a console.
[15:33] <ioria> scottjl, yeah
[15:33] <johnfg> I do most of my server work through the cli anyway, but just doing what I'm used to.
[15:33] <scottjl> and it would depend on if you had applications on it that for some reason you needed a gui vs. just managing in a command line.
[15:33] <scottjl> oracle grid controller comes to mind.
[15:34] <scottjl> emergency use you want a web browser.
[15:37] <johnfg> For me: kerberos server; openafs server; apache server; openldap server; etc.
[15:40] <elichai2> Hi, does unity has a feature that I can switch between windows with a shortcut button+number? (like in Plasma 5.9)
[15:47] <johnfg> ioria: I use xfce on one of my machines now.  Is that the type you were thinking of?
[15:48] <ioria> johnfg, xfce it's a full de... but yes .. slimmer than unity
[15:48] <johnfg> What are you thinking of?
[15:49] <scottjl> i3wm
[15:49] <scottjl> doesn't get much slimmer
[15:49] <scottjl> well maybe ratpoison. lol
[15:50] <ioria> johnfg,  a wm, but xfce is ok
[15:51] <johnfg> gotcha both, thanks.
[15:51] <ioria> it's ok
[15:51] <scottjl> once i went to a tiling wm i never went back
[15:51] <ioria> true
[15:52] <bonsaitree> Is it possible that a blackhat somehow capped my wi-fi card?
[15:52] <scottjl> bonsaitree: possible? yes. but to what purpose? are you running any QoS software on your server? your ap? your router?
[15:54] <bonsaitree> scottjl, I don't know, doing evil? The speedtest is behaving just like there is a cap placed on the link. Nope, not running anything.
[15:54] <k1l> bonsaitree: its more likely a driver issue or a routing/connection issue
[15:54] <BluesKaj> bonsaitree:  suspect that someone piggybacking on your wifi ?
[15:54] <zedtush> hello?
[15:55] <scottjl> someone would have to break into your laptop to install some sort of throttle on your system. i'd say. unlikely.
[15:55] <scottjl> look at your router(s), firewall(s), ISP for that matter.
[15:55] <bonsaitree> BluesKaj:Maybe, there are at least 4 potential guys in 100m radius.
[15:55] <scottjl> maybe you're sucking up too much of their bandwidth and they are teaching you a lesson?
[15:56] <bonsaitree> BluesKaj:And i am pretty sure that they are much more knowledgeable than me.
[15:56] <bonsaitree> scottjl:How come?
[15:56] <scottjl> it would be far easier to throttle you through the AP or router.
[15:56] <k1l> bonsaitree: check your router.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> the ISP might be doing maintenence
[15:57] <bonsaitree> I am just thinking about every possibility, i did not state that *it is the case* :)
[15:57] <k1l> bonsaitree: then test with a clean system, not your installed one. but again: its very unlikely
[15:57] <scottjl> bonsaitree: how come? you tell me. why would these 4 potential guys want to hack into your system to throttle it?
[15:57] <zedtush> hey guys , where can i get some widgets from?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> or maintenance even, hope you have a strong wifi pwd
[15:57] <BluesKaj> bonsaitree:
[15:58] <bonsaitree> scottjl:I just said that there are and they are more knowledgeable.
[15:58] <scottjl> yes, but they would need motive.
[15:59] <scottjl> are you connected to your own personal AP?
[15:59] <k1l> bonsaitree: lets stick to actual technical issues in here :)
[16:00] <bonsaitree> scottjl:Showing dominance, curiosity, working for someone, free internet, etc. The motives are endless.
[16:00] <bonsaitree> scottjl:Yes, lol.
[16:00] <scottjl> ok. so if you connect a different device to that AP, is it throttled too?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> bonsaitree:  yes, but are you sharing or do you have your own router/modem ?
[16:01] <bonsaitree> scottjl:No.
[16:01] <bonsaitree> That's why i've said if my wifi card is capped.
[16:01] <k1l> bonsaitree: look at dmesg if there are issues
[16:01] <scottjl> could be a driver issue, a configuration on the card, or a limitation of your card.
[16:02] <scottjl> look at the module for your card, are there any options you can configure?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> never heard o a wifi card being capped unless you have channel interference . it's most likely your network /ISP
[16:03] <scottjl> BluesKaj: he said other devices don't seem to be throttle
[16:05] <BluesKaj> what other devices?
[16:05] <bonsaitree> BluesKaj:Smartphones, Laptops
[16:06] <k1l> bonsaitree: so look at the systemlogs what is happening on your machine.
[16:06] <scottjl> some cards have wonky options for network, speed, channel, etc. check your module's options.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> guess he didn't see my question about sharing
[16:06] <bonsaitree> BluesKaj:hang on
[16:06] <scottjl> bandwidth is capped, he can't see all our replies at once ;-)
[16:06] <bonsaitree> BluesKaj:Own ONT with Wi-Fi functionality.
[16:07] <bonsaitree> scottjl:Lol
[16:07] <bonsaitree> scottjl:How to check the current module conf?
[16:09] <scottjl> check /etc/udev/rules.d ? /etc/modules.conf ?
[16:09] <scottjl> what's the module for the nic?
[16:10] <scottjl> sorry /etc/modules  (not modules.conf)
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ISP maintenance I bet
[16:10] <bonsaitree> rules.d is empty, modules.conf is an empty (unconfigured file)
[16:11] <scottjl> ok. so look up what options there ARE for your card's module, maybe you need to configure it better
[16:11] <CptKirk> 17.04 is very nice.
[16:11] <arunpyasi>  Hello there, Can I access tcp protocols via UDP VPN connection ?
[16:12] <bonsaitree> scottjl, How do i do that?
[16:12] <scottjl> can you? yes.
[16:13] <CptKirk> I had trouble with Nautilis and Nvidia drivers when I upgraded to 17.04 and instead of using the drivers from the software and updates panel I used the terminal to request the driver and install it. This seemed to solve it.
[16:13] <scottjl> bonsaitree: do you know what module is loaded for your nic?
[16:13] <bonsaitree> scottjl, Yes, iwlwifi
[16:14] <blkadder> arunpyasi UDP is just the transport/encapsulation mechanism for traffic
[16:14] <warrshrike> unity is dead
[16:14] <warrshrike> kde or gnome. whats better?
[16:14] <blkadder> Long live disunity!
[16:14] <warrshrike> blkadder: amen to that
[16:14] <scottjl> warrshrike: i3wm!
[16:15] <scottjl> bonsaitree: are you also using bluetooth?
[16:15] <warrshrike> scottjl: wha
[16:15] <bonsaitree> scottjl, Nope
[16:15] <arunpyasi> blkadder, hmm, so it will right ! :)
[16:15] <blkadder> arunpyasi, Yes.
[16:16] <arunpyasi> blkadder, and how do I route an Ip camera's 554 RTSP port to a PC ?
[16:16] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I hope you got my point.
[16:16] <Keytap> Got a question.  I need a copy of ubuntu (gnome) relatively quickly, but the ubuntu servers are apparently crawling right now.  I'd download it via torrent client, but I can't because they've blocked it here.
[16:17] <pynki> arunpyasi, what do you want to do with that port?
[16:17] <Keytap> Any speedy direct download mirrors?
[16:17] <blkadder> arunpyasi No, I have no idea what you are asking about.
[16:17] <pynki> arunpyasi, rtsp is a on demand thing. you need a "client" program to get the video.
[16:17] <pynki> !info vlc | arunpyasi
[16:18] <CptKirk> Keytap - buy a linux magazine with a disc
[16:19] <scottjl> bonsaitree: https://pastebin.com/TGVAE88i
[16:19] <arunpyasi> ok blkadder
[16:19] <ioria> Keytap, you can have the mini.iso in 2 minutes
[16:19] <arunpyasi> pynki, yeah, the thing is, I am trying to stream via VPN network
[16:19] <scottjl> bonsaitree: try creating that file and try out those various options in it. you'll probably have to reboot (or unload and reload the kernel module)
[16:20] <arunpyasi> pynki, I have an IP cam which is on client1 and it needs to be accessed via client2 which is on the same VPN
[16:20] <blkadder> arunpyasi You need an identifiable end point to talk to.
[16:20] <blkadder> Open ports, etc.
[16:20] <pynki> arunpyasi, "on" client1? means conencted to client1?
[16:20] <bonsaitree> scottjl, If i reboot it will reload the kernel module in any case, or i should explicitly do that if i want to assure that it *will* be reloaded?
[16:20] <blkadder> Is this VPN something you control?
[16:21] <arunpyasi> pynki, yes, connected on client1
[16:21] <arunpyasi> blkadder, yes, its my VPN server
[16:21] <arunpyasi> client1 has openvpn client running
[16:21] <pynki> arunpyasi, share the network behind client1, use openvpn than its quite easy
[16:21] <scottjl> bonsaitree: if you reboot it will certainly reload the module with whatever options are in the file. if you can unload and reload the module on the command line it should pick up changed options then too.
[16:21] <scottjl> bonsaitree: if you're comfortable reloading modules on the command line. that's faster.
[16:22] <arunpyasi> pynki, yes, I am using OpenVPN.. How can I share the CAM via openvpn ?
[16:22] <DArqueBishop> arunpyasi: these questions might be better suited for #openvpn, which you are also in.
[16:22] <scottjl> bonsaitree: there are some other options mentioned at the source link i posted there.
[16:23] <arunpyasi> DArqueBishop, yeah..
[16:23] <pynki> arunpyasi, client1 is running the openvpn server?
[16:23] <arunpyasi> pynki, no, server/client2 has openvpn server
[16:23] <arunpyasi> client1 has openvpn client
[16:23] <bonsaitree> scottjl, thanks
[16:24] <scottjl> bonsaitree: np. i doubt someone hacked you, but if they did a reinstall would fix anything they did.
[16:25] <bonsaitree> scottjl, I placed that as a possible reason, although i doubt too, since i did a fresh install and the problem did not fix
[16:25] <scottjl> then it's the wifi/configuration
[16:25] <pynki> arunpyasi, perhaps this helps: https://serverfault.com/questions/662500/openvpn-access-to-lan-behind-client-and-vice-versa
[16:25] <blkadder> arunpyasi And can you reach client 1 from client 2 at present?
[16:26] <arunpyasi> blkadder, yes, I can
[16:26] <arunpyasi> pynki, this is what I ran for iptable sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.100 --dport 554 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.8.0.2:554
[16:27] <scottjl> bonsaitree: some times out of the box configurations aren't the best and can use a little tweaking/love for best performance.
[16:27] <bonsaitree> scottjl, yup, brb rebooting
[16:27] <blkadder> arunpyasi Then you should just need a RTSP client as pynki suggested that is pointed at client 1's IP port (assuming there isn't any authentication necessary)
[16:27] <blkadder> ...IP and port...
[16:28] <arunpyasi> blkadder, pynki there is no auth but I get error.
[16:28] <arunpyasi> that its not found
[16:28] <arunpyasi> I believe the port 554 is not available at 10.8.0.2:554
[16:28] <pynki> can you reach the webpage of the camera?
[16:28] <blkadder> So what are you doing to establish that you can see client 1 from client 2?
[16:29] <arunpyasi> pynki, there is no webpage of the cam
[16:29] <pynki> arunpyasi, what kind of webcam is it?
[16:29] <DArqueBishop> arunpyasi: are you sure the firewall isn't blocking the port?
[16:29] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I had pinged eachother and started a webserver on client1 and it was accessible on client 2
[16:29] <pynki> arunpyasi, run "nmap 10.8.0.2"
[16:29] <blkadder> arunpyasi On client 1 netstat -a
[16:29] <blkadder> Or that. :-)
[16:29] <arunpyasi> pynki, its yoosee webcam, rtsp on client1 is working fine
[16:30] <arunpyasi> DArqueBishop, firewall is off.
[16:30] <DArqueBishop> arunpyasi: is client2 the actual server or another client? If the latter, do you have client-to-client in the server's OpenVPN config?
[16:31] <pynki> arrrr, one of these newschool " we have an app" kind of cams :/
[16:31] <arunpyasi> DArqueBishop, client2 is OPENVPN server
[16:31] <DArqueBishop> Wait.
[16:31] <arunpyasi> http://dpaste.com/3WNGQ9E , it was run in the server
[16:31] <pynki> arunpyasi, maybe opening the ports for UDP too might help
[16:32] <arunpyasi> pynki, hmm ok, let me try.
[16:32] <DArqueBishop> arunpyasi: first, don't call it "client2", then. Call it "server". Calling it "client2" makes it confusing.
[16:32] <arunpyasi> DArqueBishop, ok :P
[16:32] <DArqueBishop> arunpyasi: second, the OpenVPN server should be 10.8.0.1.
[16:32] <arunpyasi> DArqueBishop, yes, its 10.8.0.1
[16:33] <bonsaitree> scottc_, Lol, the options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8 fixed it.
[16:33] <bonsaitree> scottjl, Lol, the options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8 fixed it.
[16:33] <blkadder> arunpyasi Can you run netstat -a on client 1 and post output?
[16:33] <pynki> bonsaitree, well, well, well
[16:34] <pynki> bonsaitree, that means disabled or enabled?
[16:34] <pynki> the 8
[16:35] <bonsaitree> pynki:I have no clue, with =1 it won't work properly, with =8 it will. Logic not found
[16:37] <arunpyasi> blkadder, http://dpaste.com/14MWSB0
[16:38] <lrojas> hi all, i installed the oracle-java8-installer from the ppa, but i cannot find the jdk, just the jre... all documentation i have seen implies that the jdk gets installed as well
[16:38] <pynki> bonsaitree, knowing that google gives that answer too :D http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/74-ubuntu/322-ubuntu-trusty-intel-centrino-6235-slow-freeze gives us the answer what the 8 means
[16:38] <lrojas> any idea what's going on?
[16:38] <pynki> bonsaitree, parm: 11n_disable:disable 11n functionality, bitmap: 1: full, 2: disable agg TX, 4: disable agg RX, 8 enable agg TX (uint)
[16:38] <blkadder> arunpyasi I don't see anything indicating you are sharing the camera from that system?
[16:39] <arunpyasi> blkadder, so, how do I do that ?
[16:39] <blkadder> You are however connecting to the rtsp port on 192.168.1.100
[16:39] <arunpyasi> blkadder, yes, I am
[16:39] <bonsaitree> pynki:What is agg TX?
[16:40] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I tried prerouting and postrouting..
[16:40] <blkadder> What is 192.168.1.100? Is that the camera?
[16:40] <johnfg> Is there an equivalent of the yum provides "whatever" for apt?
[16:41] <pynki> bonsaitree, https://routerguide.net/optimize-ampdu-aggregation-on-or-off-a-mpdu/
[16:42] <arunpyasi> blkadder, yes it is
[16:42] <blkadder> arunpyasi Ok.
[16:42] <xjkx1> How do I run commands when ubuntu starts, is it editting rc.local?
[16:43] <blkadder> Then you need to share 192.168.1.x network over the VPN
[16:43] <pynki> xjkx1, thats an option
[16:43] <blkadder> Assuming that your server isn't also on 192.168.1.x network on the other side, otherwise you will have a problem.
[16:43] <xjkx1> pynki: what would be the best option :>
[16:44] <blkadder> s/share/route/
[16:44] <pynki> xjkx1, that totally depends what you want to do
[16:44] <scottjl> bonsaitree: congrats.
[16:45] <Delvien> bonsaitree: did you ever figure that out? I was talking with you yesterday about something, remind me
[16:45] <arunpyasi> blkadder, is it ? Can't I just route the IP cam on a port of client1 ?
[16:45] <pynki> xjkx1, this would be another option https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-help/startup-applications.html
[16:46] <bonsaitree> Delvien:scottjl nailed it, but thanks to all who tried to help, i really appreciate :)
[16:46] <Delvien> bonsaitree: you had the problem with the wifi speed, right?
[16:46] <bonsaitree> Delvien:Yes
[16:46] <xjkx1> pynki: thank you
[16:46] <arunpyasi> blkadder, cause I thought if I allow 192.168.1.x network, I may get into trouble with IP conflicts
[16:46] <Delvien> bonsaitree: what was the solution?
[16:46] <blkadder> arunpyasi If your server is on 192.168.1.x you will have a problem.
[16:46] <scottjl> Delvien: module options
[16:47] <arunpyasi> blkadder, no, its not on that
[16:47] <scottjl> Defaults sucked.
[16:47] <Delvien> scottjl: rfkill ?
[16:47] <bonsaitree> Delvien, a simple line 'options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8' in the iwlwifi.conf
[16:47] <arunpyasi> blkadder, its on 192.168.10.x
[16:47] <blkadder> arunpyasi Then you should be fine.
[16:47] <Delvien> bonsaitree: nice.
[16:47] <jerichowasahoax> What's the recommended tool for cleaning /var/cache/apt/archives?
[16:47] <blkadder> assuming /24
[16:47] <arunpyasi> blkadder, so, how would I fix the thing ?
[16:48] <scottjl> bonsaitree: remember that if you ever reinstall!
[16:48] <bonsaitree> scottjl:I will write it down with pen and white paper now hahaha :)
[16:48] <blkadder> arunpyasi, You need to route 192.168.1.x over the VPN
[16:48] <genii> jerichowasahoax: sudo apt-get clean
[16:48] <Nitrogen> Hi. How can I start chromium as another user via terminal?
[16:49] <jerichowasahoax> genii: thank you
[16:49] <blkadder> arunpyasi I am a little fuzzy on the exact syntax so unless someone here knows it's really a question for #openvpn
[16:49] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I may have multiple 192.168.1.x networks
[16:49] <arunpyasi> yeah, join there :P blkadder
[16:50] <pynki> su username chromium-browser, Nitrogen
[16:50] <pynki> su username -c chromium-browser, Nitrogen
[16:51] <Nitrogen> Neither worked =(
[16:51] <Nitrogen> pynki
[16:52] <Nitrogen> Where can I paste Error messages?
[16:52] <jerichowasahoax> Nitrogen: http://paste.pound-python.org
[16:52] <jerichowasahoax> Nitrogen: Any pastebin service will work, really, that was just what I had off the top of my head
[16:52] <Nitrogen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24421257/
[16:53] <Nitrogen> Thanks jerichowasahoax
[16:53] <jerichowasahoax> does it do that if you try to start chromium as your current user
[16:53] <qis> Ubuntu 14.04 keeps reenabling the WiFi interface after a reboot. Worse, it keeps enabling the hotspot functionality. Any idea how to fix it without blacklisting the device? Something that a customer without much experience can reverse?
[16:54] <pynki> qis, /etc/network/interfaces has setup for the wifi device in it?
[16:55] <qis> pynki: No, it was configured using the UI.
[16:56] <qis>  /etc/network/interfaces has only "lo" entries.
[16:57] <Nitrogen> jerichowasahoax no. Works perfectly fine
[16:57] <pynki> qis, sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager network-manager-* , sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager  .... might help
[16:57] <pynki> qis, just defualt ne nm config on a quick way...
[16:58] <qis> pynki: Can I simply remove network-manager, do a "apt-get autoremove" and reinstall it? To be sure that everything is reinstalled as it was but without configuration.
[16:58] <adrian_1908> hello, I wanted to try 17.04 (Xubuntu) but booting from the USB stick, i get the following error early on: `[5.271295] BERT: Can't request iomem region <…>` displayed in a low-res screen mode with lots of artifacts. I tried searching but it doesn't seem common. Any suggestions?
[16:58] <qis> pynki: And I somehow doubt that it will remove the user configuration.
[16:58] <qis> pynki: How do I "default the network manager config"?
[16:58] <qis> rm -rf ~/.local?
[16:59] <pynki> qis, remove the config and reinstall it with the default config
[16:59] <qis> pynki: Any idea where the config is or how to find it?
[17:00] <pynki> qis, no idea. its the first thing i remove from ubuntu after installing it...
[17:00] <xok> hello all...
[17:00] <pynki> qis, sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager network-manager-* will remopve the old config files
[17:00] <johnfg> What's gvim or vim improved called for ubuntu?
[17:01] <xok> I have working ubuntu system, want to generate the full preseed.cfg file to clone the installation, including the partitioning...
[17:01] <xok> is this possible at all?..
[17:01] <Pici> johnfg: the same?
[17:01] <pynki> !info vim-gnome johnfg
[17:01] <qis> pynki: Oh, I just discovered nmcli con delete
[17:01] <pynki> !info vim-gnome | johnfg
[17:02] <johnfg> pynki: Thanks!
[17:02] <adrian_1908> My error is similar to the first line in this (found on the web): https://i.imgur.com/ZS5RZa0.jpg   except i can't see beyond the first line because of the lowres mode my screen is in at that stage.
[17:02] <qis> johnfg: apt-cache search vim|grep ^vim
[17:02] <johnfg> Just started a unity terminal for the first time.  Is there a way to open another tab?
[17:02] <johnfg> qis: That too!  Thanks!
[17:03] <pavlos> johnfg: click on the top menu, File, new tab or new window
[17:04] <qis> pynki: Yep, deleting all configurations except eth0 was enough. Probably safer, than reinstalling nm.
[17:04] <pynki> qis: there is nothing more safe than deinstalling nm ;)
[17:04] <xok> anybody know preseed.cfg installations?..
[17:05] <moldd> hi all! I need a little help with a server im trying to make. unfortunately the server isn't connected to the internet, so I cant use pastebin. I think the problem im having is probably simple. its about missing dependenceis
[17:05] <pynki> xok: perhaps kickstart can export that
[17:05] <johnfg> pavlos: I would have thought that, but there's no menu, and not offered by right-clicking on it.  All I have is, top left, x - and a square to maximize.
[17:05] <ioria> moldd, like what ?
[17:06] <xok> pynki: what's that?..
[17:06] <pynki> !info system-config-kickstart | xok
[17:06] <xok> pynki: how about console application?..
[17:06] <xok> I don't have a GUI...
[17:07] <moldd> ioria, whenever I run apt-get install/update/etc, I'm getting an error with "dovecote-core" missing dependencies.
[17:07] <qis> pynki: Hehe, I agree but the customer might want to keep it. No way to ask now.
[17:07] <pavlos> johnfg: which ubuntu 16.04 or 17.04
[17:08] <pynki> xok: creating it by hand might be faster that searching the net. don't thinbk there will eb an easy answer to that question
[17:08] <ioria> moldd, dovecot is a pop/imap software, does not stop you from connecting the internet ....
[17:08] <ioria> moldd, maybe is a package manager issue
[17:09] <pynki> moldd, perhaps not all neccessary repos int he apt config
[17:09] <YankDownUnder> moldd: If the server is NOT connected to the net, why are you running "update"?
[17:09] <moldd> ioria, sorry - fairly new. the server is cli and I didn't think i'd be able to use a pastepin
[17:09] <ioria> moldd, you can use pastebinit as well
[17:10] <ioria> moldd,  if you can ping a website like www.google.com, it's not a network issue ...
[17:11] <ioria> moldd,  probably dovecot hasn't been installed correctly .... how did you install it ? via cli or in the install process ?
[17:12] <moldd> ioria, oh wow thank you I had no idea. Sincerely thank you.
[17:12] <ioria> moldd,  ok
[17:13] <arunpyasi> blkadder, pynki there is no response on #openvpn and I think its a thing with iptables or some routing stuff
[17:13] <johnfg> Looks like it's vim-gtk2 that's vim improved.  There is no gvim, or vim-gnome (of course if I had a gnome desktop, maybe).
[17:14] <ioria> !info vim-gnome trusty
[17:14] <ioria> !info vim-gnome xenial
[17:14] <moldd> ioria, Sorry I was thanking you for telling me about the pastebinit. Yes I think it dovecot installed correctly. I updated through 2 versions of ubuntu(on 16.04 lts now) and I think thats where the hang up is. Its missing dependencies but I can't quite figure out how to get the dependencies I need
[17:15] <moldd> jesus *dovecot installed incorrectly.
[17:15] <pavlos> johnfg: you can place the menu bar either on the very top menu bar (where the clock, network, etc.) is or on the top of the terminal window. See system settings, appearance, behavior
[17:15] <blkadder> arunpyasi Perhaps this might help: https://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2010/03/25/using-openvpn-to-route-a-specific-subnet-to-the-vpn/
[17:15] <ioria> moldd,  can you install pastebinit ?
[17:16] <YankDownUnder> moldd: Is dovecot currently being used in production (live), or are you just setting it up?
[17:16] <blkadder> arunpyasi At this point I'd just be googling. :-)
[17:16] <ioria> moldd,  and paste dpkg -l | grep dovecot ?
[17:16] <arunpyasi> blkadder, yeah, I googled but didn't found much so I am on IRC.
[17:16] <arunpyasi> blkadder, someone pro on iptables would be great
[17:17] <blkadder> arunpyasi Where does iptables fit in to this?>
[17:17] <blkadder> Don't complicate your life.
[17:17] <awesomess3> How do I install apache2 without it auto-starting after install? (I know I could just go `sudo apt-get install apache2 && sudo apache2ctl stop` but is there any easier way through apt-get? I would turn off the deb-package triggers, but I'm 94% sure not all of them are to auto-turn-on the apache2 server.
[17:17] <slipttees> ducasse: Done... i can copy sda to new harddisk. ddrescue r0x. Thanks you! :-)
[17:17] <awesomess3> )
[17:17] <johnfg> pavlos: it's 17.04, I just wasn't used to where unity had the menu.  Thanks!
[17:17] <arunpyasi> blkadder, what I was thinking is, routing/forwarding 192.168.1.100:554 to client1:554 .
[17:17] <blkadder> arunpyasi Routing specific subnets seems to be well documented
[17:18] <blkadder> Except that isn't how things are.
[17:18] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I will have multiple clients with 192.168.1.x
[17:18] <blkadder> Your IP camera isn't on client 1
[17:18] <arunpyasi> blkadder, so, that may bring a conflict
[17:18] <moldd> ioria, when I run sudo apt-get install pastebinit, after I hit [Y] to install, it says "Setting up dovecot-core"
[17:18] <arunpyasi> blkadder, its on client1
[17:18] <blkadder> It has its own IP address?
[17:18] <arunpyasi> blkadder, I yes.
[17:18] <blkadder> So it is separate from client1
[17:19] <ioria> moldd,  so apt is broken
[17:19] <blkadder> client1 isn't exposing it
[17:19] <blkadder> That's what we verified with netstat
[17:19] <arunpyasi> blkadder, IP cam has 192.168.1.100 and client1 is 192.168.1.101
[17:19] <arunpyasi> yes, exactly blkadder
[17:19] <slipttees> wait ubuntu gnome 8.04 LTS :-)
[17:19] <slipttees> 18.04 LTS :-)
[17:19] <blkadder> So pointing to client1:554 is pointless
[17:19] <ioria> moldd,  what ubuntu is that ? 16.04 ?
[17:19] <johnfg> ioria: I almost missed your ubottu.  Is that not showing up in my search either because I'm running 17.04 or unity?
[17:19] <YankDownUnder> moldd: Can you run: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get update ==> see what that says?
[17:19] <moldd> ioria, yes something must be really off. 16.04 lts
[17:19] <arunpyasi> blkadder, what I need is 10.8.0.2:554 needs to be accessible.
[17:20] <arunpyasi> blkadder, why pointless ?
[17:20] <blkadder> You;d want to point to 192.168.1.100:554
[17:20] <ioria> !info vim-gnome zesty | johnfg
[17:20] <blkadder> or 545 or whatever port rtsp is on...
[17:20] <blkadder> because there is nothing listening on client1
[17:20] <arunpyasi> blkadder, hmm let me send you the commands I entered
[17:21] <ioria> moldd,  how did you install dovecot ?  in the install process among  the other services?
[17:21] <ubuntu-mate> Hello. noob here. Does anybody knows how to fix wrong time when switching on windows from ubuntu?
[17:21] <ubuntu-mate> I read a guide where I have to change from UTC to Local Time, but I dont see the option
[17:21] <slipttees> ubuntu-mate: talk!
[17:22] <ubuntu-mate> slipttees, ?
[17:22] <ioria> moldd,   dpkg -l | grep dovecot | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:23] <arunpyasi> blkadder, http://dpaste.com/0499T1Z and yes the second is also with sudo, 10.8.0.2 is the client1's IP it got from VPN server.
[17:23] <moldd> YanksDownUnder, I ran that and got back "Setting up dovecot[1:2.2.22-1ubuntu2.4]. After that is "E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1)
[17:24] <ioria> moldd,  that command will give you an url, that you can paste here
[17:24] <ubuntu-mate> Does anybody know how to fix the wrong time issue when dual booting?
[17:24] <blkadder> arunpyasi That's not going to work.
[17:24] <YankDownUnder> moldd: Ok...how's about: sudo dpkg --reconfigure dovecot-core
[17:25] <arunpyasi> blkadder, ok, what will I need to make changes as ?
[17:26] <pavlos> ubuntu-mate: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[17:28] <blkadder> arunpyasi Get rid of the iptables rules. Use openvpn to route traffic.
[17:28] <arunpyasi> blkadder, ok, how do I do that ?
[17:28] <arunpyasi> blkadder, you mean to open/allow NAT ?
[17:28] <moldd> ioria, the url I got was http:termbin.com/ppgk
[17:30] <ioria> moldd,  sudo apt purge dovecot-imapd  dovecot-pop3d
[17:30] <ubuntu-mate> thanks
[17:30] <moldd> YankDownUnder, I'm getting the message/error "Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or 'more'!
[17:31] <johnfg> I just looked at the help for terminal but didn't see how to navigate between tabs from the keyboard.
[17:32] <dan01> Hi, my friend screw up his partition table, he deleted the EFI partition, somehow he can still boot, he's prompted with a "Invalid parition table!" message, but he can press enter and he's logged in. Any idea how to fix this? here's a photo of his partitioning: https://imagebin.ca/v/3JkEE7axzZmC
[17:32] <YankDownUnder> moldd: As per what ioria said, just purge the packages (or remove them) -> then do an update...or TRY...
[17:32] <ioria> johnfg,  ctrl + Pageup (Pagedown)
[17:33] <ioria> moldd,  what repository are you using ?
[17:34] <s3qrk> hey guys, I am with ubuntu gnome, I want to remove the gnome environment and switch to xubuntu, can anyone point me the packages I have to remove?
[17:34] <moldd> ioria/yank - really bizarre, I did apt purge just now and it said was removeing the packages, after a couple of seconds it went back to "Setting up dovecot" and returned the E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned error (1)
[17:35] <ioria> moldd,  what repository are you using ?
[17:35] <Southern_Gentlem> s3qrk, why remove anything?
[17:35] <ioria> moldd,  i mean ... your sources.list points to what ?
[17:35] <s3qrk> Southern_Gentlem: I don't want to have my disk full
[17:36] <Southern_Gentlem> s3qrk, are you that tight on disk space?
[17:36] <s3qrk> Southern_Gentlem: I have 27gb available
[17:36] <Southern_Gentlem> backup your data and reinstall with the xfce spin in that case
[17:37] <ioria> moldd,  if you don't understand what i'am saying , please ask
[17:37] <moldd> ioria, sorry my sources are xenial main, universe, multiverse - archive.ubuntu.com
[17:37] <ioria> moldd, yes, but local ? your country or what ?
[17:37] <s3qrk> Southern_Gentlem: ok, thanks
[17:37] <ioria> moldd, ah, ok
[17:38] <ioria> moldd,  sudo dpkg -P  dovecot-imapd  dovecot-pop3d
[17:39] <johnfg> interesting...slapd (openldap) has got my base DIT right, even though /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is not configured.
[17:41] <moldd> ioria, dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecot-imapd which isn't installed - the same line repeats for dovecot-pop3d
[17:41] <ioria> moldd,   dpkg -l | grep dovecot | nc termbin.com 9999    again
[17:44] <Kobaz> what's the ubuntu equivalent of /etc/rc.local
[17:45] <ioria> /etc/rc.local
[17:46] <Kobaz> so just make the file?
[17:46] <pavlos> Kobaz: systemctl status rc-local.service ... start it if you have to
[17:46] <Kobaz> ls: cannot access '/etc/rc.local': No such file or directory
[17:46] <ioria> Kobaz, why ? you don't have it ?
[17:46] <Kobaz> 17.04 installer didn't create that
[17:47] <ioria> !info initscripts
[17:47] <ioria> Kobaz, you're right
[17:48] <Kobaz> yeap
[17:48] <moldd> ioria, sorry for delay http://termbin.com/ab4e
[17:48] <Kobaz> and there is no /etc/init.d/rc.local
[17:48] <ioria> moldd,  sudo dpkg -P  dovecot-core
[17:50] <moldd> ioria, alrighty I ran that and dovecot-core appears to be gone.
[17:50] <ioria> moldd,  sudo apt update
[17:51] <ioria> Kobaz, systemd era
[17:51] <Kobaz> yeah, systemd :(
[17:52] <Kobaz> my usual first step is apt-get remove systemd
[17:52] <ioria> lol
[17:52] <moldd> ioria, I'm getting "All packages are up to date" now!
[17:52] <Kobaz> you can pry my sysvinit from my feisty claws
[17:52] <ioria> moldd,  sudo apt install pastebinit
[17:53] <ioria> Kobaz, ^_^
[17:53] <moldd> ioria, its installed now.
[17:53] <blkadder> arunpyasi, Remove the iptables rules you are using to try to route traffic. On your vpn server you need to configure openvpn to route traffic destined for 192.168.1.X over the vpn.
[17:53] <scottjl> Kobaz: if you don't like systemd just wait a few years and someone will invent something new/better and we'll have 4 different ways to control processes!
[17:54] <ioria> moldd,  ok, sudo apt full-upgrade   (you already are)
[17:54] <Kobaz> new != (always) better
[17:54] <blkadder> This is an example of how to do so: https://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2010/03/25/using-openvpn-to-route-a-specific-subnet-to-the-vpn/
[17:54] <scottjl> oh i know.
[17:55] <moldd> ioria, alright I got "0 updated, 0 installed" etc
[17:55] <ioria> moldd,  ok, sudo apt install dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d
[17:56] <arunpyasi> blkadder, so instead of  route 100.200.100.0 255.255.255.0 , I need to do  route 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.0
[17:56] <arunpyasi> ??
[17:56] <Kobaz> ioria:  speaking of systemd. so, rc-local.service is showing as inactive(dead)... anything special to enable it?
[17:56] <ioria> Kobaz,  i don't want to bork your system ... sy
[17:56] <Kobaz> it'll be plenty borked when i'm through with it
[17:57] <blkadder> arunpyasi, No route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0
[17:57] <blkadder> You are routing the subnet traffic.
[17:57] <Kobaz> systemctl enable rc-local
[17:57] <Kobaz> nope, didn't like that
[17:58] <moldd> ioria, alright it appears dovecot-core, -imapd, and -pop3d are now installed
[17:58] <ioria> moldd,  you should be good
[17:59] <moldd> ioria, honestly thank you so much! I sincerely appreciate it! You have been a big help and I learned a lot. Thank you!
[17:59] <shurtugal> How do you purge bluetooth on UbuntuMATE17.04
[17:59] <ioria> moldd,  no problem
[17:59] <Kobaz> cool
[17:59] <Kobaz> yay, it works
[17:59] <arunpyasi> blkadder, but that will make the whole 192.168.1.0 network accessible to the server right !
[17:59] <blkadder> Yes.
[17:59] <Kobaz> there was a missing [Install] section in /etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service
[18:00] <arunpyasi> blkadder, thats insecure..
[18:00] <arunpyasi> blkadder, just need the cam and the PC to go through.
[18:00] <blkadder> Then route 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.255
[18:00] <blkadder> and route 192.168.1.1.101 255.255.255.255
[18:01] <MarioMey> Hi, there.
[18:01] <arunpyasi> blkadder, hmm ok, let me try that one.
[18:02] <karkoon> Hi. Do you remember how long did it usually take for AMD to release new amdgpu pro drivers after new ubuntu versions?
[18:05] <MarioMey> I have an external HDD with ntfs and ext4 partitions. I have some movies in ntfs... but, after copying them from my hdd to this external one, the disk was unmounted and some error message appeared. No, I realize that there were some files that weren't copied, other files with 0 bytes... and I have a file that the data inside doesn't correspond with the name and location. This file... can't be deleted. I want to check and repear this disk. I verified it with g
[18:05] <MarioMey> *while the files were copied, the disk was unmounted.
[18:06] <MarioMey> What command should I use to repair this partition?
[18:07] <MarioMey> Caja says "file or folder doesn't exist".
[18:09] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Is it an ext4 partition or an NTFS partition?
[18:16] <scottjl> MarioMey: fsck can fix ext4 partitions, ntfsfix can fix ntfs partitions.
[18:17] <scottjl> you may need to install ntfs-3g for ntfsfix
[18:20] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: the disk has both. I want to repair the NTFS one.
[18:20] <MarioMey> scottjl: I already did it. But the file is still there.
[18:21] <oerheks> !artful
[18:21] <MarioMey> Wait...
[18:21] <scottjl> MarioMey: does it have some sort of special character in the filename / pathname? maybe try some wildcards.
[18:22] <MarioMey> scottjl, YankDownUnder: in terminal, I do "ls" and all the files that I thought were deleted... are there. And this file that can't be deleted... isn't. It's about Caja.
[18:22] <MarioMey> Actually, I have Ubuntu-Mate.
[18:23] <scottjl> is it mounted read only?
[18:23] <scottjl> you might need to put it into an actual windows machine. i've had ntfs fs errors that linux just couldn't handle.
[18:23] <MarioMey> No, I can rename some file.
[18:23] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: What you might want to do is to logout / login again - to refresh the desktop/system data (for Mate and Caja) -> see if that resolves anything...that being said, since this is an external HDD, you might also want to unmount and then remount it...
[18:24] <MarioMey> I'll log out and in.
[18:25] <johnfg> normally, when I'm in irssi, I use Alt-#, to go to whatever chat I want to go to.
[18:26] <johnfg> But in this terminal, it's doing something with its menu when I push Alt.
[18:28] <MarioMey> I did it... the file is there, the other files aren't (they don't appear also with "ls")... and the file still can't be deleted.
[18:28] <scottjl> can you plug it into a real windows machine?
[18:28] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Do the repair on that partition again...
[18:29] <rioron> hlw all
[18:30] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: again, nothing. Look at this screenshot: http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=114807
[18:31] <MarioMey> scott... no, mine has only Ubuntu partitions...
[18:31] <MarioMey> And my mother's too.
[18:31] <aotaointbin> reading changelog for 4.10.11 now, looks like i'll be rebooting again as soon as it's into arch...
[18:31] <MarioMey> I have a Windows 7 in Virtual Box... would it work?
[18:31] <scottjl> if you can do a passthru on the partition, it should.
[18:31] <MarioMey> And try to delete from there...?
[18:31] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: You shouldn't be IN the directory ON the partition when you're doing a repair on it...um...you *did* know that, right?
[18:32] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: yes, I also unmount it.
[18:32] <MarioMey> *unmounted
[18:33] <scottjl> MarioMey: what are you using to try and repair the ntfs partition?
[18:34] <MarioMey> scottjl: I tried with gparted and ntfsfix.
[18:34] <MarioMey> (gparted: verify)
[18:35] <scottjl> yeah when ntfsfix didn't work for me a real windows box did. :-(
[18:35] <aotaointbin> nm, 4.10.11 has no gvt stuff, yay.
[18:35] <MarioMey> Oh.
[18:37] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: What options are you using when you're running "ntfsfix"?
[18:37] <MarioMey> sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb2
[18:38] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Comprendo. Try: sudo ntfsfix -fvbd
[18:39] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Or, rather: sudo ntfsfix -fvbd /dev/sdb2
[18:39] <randymarsh9> hello
[18:39] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: ntfs doesn't accept that flag.
[18:39] <MarioMey> (or option)
[18:39] <randymarsh9> anyone know how do i run a sudo command when logged in with a user WITHOUT root privileges?
[18:40] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Then: sudo ntfsfix -bd /dev/sdb2
[18:40] <MarioMey> Ok.
[18:40] <genii> randymarsh9: su <username-with-sudo-rights>
[18:40] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: did it... and nothing. The same.
[18:41] <randymarsh9> genii: ty
[18:41] <MarioMey> I run W7 on VB... but I can't find the disk.
[18:41] <MarioMey> I should configure it... ?
[18:41] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Si. Pues, time to use "Windows"...
[18:41] <jotauver> hi
[18:42] <Gorian> did I get pinged?
[18:42] <MarioMey> Ok... I understand.
[18:42] <MarioMey> Thanks YankDownUnder, scottjl.
[18:42] <MarioMey> I would like to use "scandisk d:"... ;)
[18:43] <jotauver> I need to recursively compare two folders  full of photos (different folder structures), the photos can have different name... some idea? :)
[18:43] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: In order for Virtualbox to SEE or recognise the external drive, you're going to have to setup the VM specifically for "passthrough", verdad.
[18:43] <MarioMey> What would "passthrough" be in spanish...?
[18:44] <MarioMey> USB or Almacenamiento? or none of those?
[18:45] <scottjl> i don't use virtualbox sorry. no idea.
[18:45] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: En Espanol? Hmm...not sure...however, you can look through the forums on the Virtualbox website...very informational...
[18:46] <randymarsh9> thank god for irc
[18:46] <MarioMey> I have that partition for compatibility with (Windows) friends... and I was thinking in convert ext4 in NTFS.... but now I'm doubting....
[18:47] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: What you SHOULD do is to use VFAT partitions to share stuff around...NTFS is always problematic...at best...
[18:47] <MarioMey> Ooohhh... FAT32?
[18:47] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: Si.
[18:47] <MarioMey> Thanks
[18:48] <MarioMey> Can I convert it... without backuping all the data inside?
[18:48] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: That way you can share it with Windows, Mac, linux, whatever.
[18:48] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: No...you'd have to back up the data, blow out the partition, to be safe...and then create a vfat partition...then copy the data back...
[18:49] <MarioMey> "I think I can handle it" (I heard it today in a ITCrowd Episode... XD).
[18:49] <MarioMey> I'll do it. I have space in ext4 partition.
[18:50] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: There ya go - issue resolved, easy peasey.
[18:50] <MarioMey> Thanks, YankDownUnder.
[18:50] <MarioMey> (copying 180GB... 3hs)
[18:51] <MarioMey> Bye.
[18:51] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey: De nada
[18:57] <Azero> Morning.
[18:57] <headref> hi
[18:58] <headref> how do i get a GUI desktop on tty1 ? in my new account?
[18:58] <headref> I don't like the tty
[18:58] <headref> can i get two desktops in two different ttys?
[18:58] <headref> Is it possible ?
[18:59] <YankDownUnder> headref: It *is* possible, but in most instances, tty7 and tty8 are for grahical use...so it would take a bit of mucking about...
[18:59] <headref> YankDownUnder: ok, I am ready to muck
[18:59] <raisin> anyone familiar with xml minidom library in python ?
[19:00] <headref> Because I want to work on multiple accounts, using a Graphical interface, so how do i do that
[19:00] <YankDownUnder> headref: I'd suggest digging through the Ubuntu forums and wikis.
[19:01] <raisin> it takes so much times to get an answer from a forum ...
[19:01] <genii> headref: Look up multiseat
[19:01] <headref> genii: multiseat?
[19:01] <headref> ok
[19:01] <genii> Yes
[19:01] <YankDownUnder> "Multiseat" is the term for using several graphical logins on a single machine.
[19:02] <genii> YankDownUnder: Yes, normally so you can have several users all using one machine. But it can also be just one user with many X sessions
[19:03] <grantwu> So I upgraded to 17.04 and now the system locks up after I login
[19:03] <grantwu> Or did once
[19:03] <YankDownUnder> genii: ...been there done that...(long long long ago...even before the Ubuntu days) - prefer to not go down that road nowadays.
[19:04] <raisin> why don't you get back to 16.4 ?
[19:05] <ioria> grantwu, can you login in console ? ctrl+alt+f1
[19:06] <headref> ioria: of course
[19:06] <headref> I think I need some .dot files for GUI
[19:06] <ioria> headref, was for grantwu
[19:06] <Bashing-om> grantwu: Proprietary graphic's driver ? And did you re-install the driver on 17.04 ?
[19:07] <grantwu> Well, it works now after a hard power off
[19:07] <grantwu> intel graphics, haven't ever touched anything to do with drivers
[19:08] <grantwu> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ incidentally, is it routine to get "ubuntu 17.04 has encountered an internal error" about once a day?
[19:08] <ioria> grantwu, fresh install or and upgrade from 16.10 ?
[19:08] <grantwu> upgrade from 16.10
[19:08] <ioria> grantwu, can you paste ls /var/crash
[19:09] <grantwu> _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash
[19:10] <jrewing> Hey all. I'm brand new with configuring networks and even more noob when it comes to configuring a pxe server. I've followed guides and some things do not work ... tex.cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /tftpboot....cp/usr/lib/syslinux/vesamenu.c32 /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg .. ..cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxechain.com /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg. Now I ask you if there is any user friendly desktop variant on programs that make it easier to install and configure this? Then I
[19:10] <jrewing> have installed Ubuntu 17.04 on a VM-ware, which I think is getting worse? Is there any kind soul that can help me?
[19:10] <grantwu> ioria: Do you want the contents of that file?
[19:11] <ioria> grantwu, nope,  remove that file, and see if it pops up again
[19:11] <grantwu> Uh... you're essentially telling me to ignore the issue, and come back if it re-occurs?
[19:12] <ioria> grantwu, nope
[19:13] <ioria> grantwu, could be an old report due to the do-release-upgrade
[19:13] <ioria> jrewing, i don't think so ... but looking ...
[19:13] <jrewing> ioria: ty
[19:14] <ioria> jrewing, btw i usually use this https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-pxe-server-ubuntu/   or this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto
[19:15] <jrewing> ty Im on it
[19:15] <jrewing> :)
[19:17] <Pharaoh_Atem> anyone know if dropping a new file in /etc/depmod.d/ can be done to completely override ubuntu.conf?
[19:18] <ioria> jrewing,  you can check this : (never used) http://www.vercot.com/~serva/default.html
[19:19] <feanor> salut
[19:21] <feanor> ya quelqu'un?
[19:23] <oerheks> !fr | feanor english only please,
[19:25] <jrewing> when the command " sudo ifconfig " dont work, what shall I do to find my ip adress on my vm-ware/ubuntu?
[19:25] <shurtugal> does anyone know how to purge the bluetooth on ubuntuMATE 17.04
[19:25] <selckin> jrewing: ip a
[19:25] <jrewing> selckin: just ip a ?
[19:25] <raisin> ip addr show
[19:25] <jheizer> I am trying to put a NVMe SSD into a ubuntu server.  The drive shows up fine but on insertion all network access goes dead.  Both and onboard and an intel nic.  They are connected, have link confirmed in ethtool.  Just can't ping or anything.  On cable remove/insert a few packets flow according to ifconfig, but that's it.  Any thoughts?
[19:25] <selckin> jrewing: yes
[19:25] <jrewing> Ok I try
[19:26] <ioria> jrewing,  what you mean 'not working ' ?
[19:26] <jrewing> ty
[19:26] <selckin> ioria: ifconfig has been deprecated for 10 years, its usually not installed anymore
[19:26] <jheizer> no kern of dmesg errors at all
[19:26] <jrewing> ioria: ifconfig dont work
[19:27] <selckin> ioria: but i agree he should give what error he gets
[19:27] <ioria> jrewing,  so, command not found ?
[19:27] <jrewing> command not found
[19:27] <ioria> ok
[19:28] <jrewing> ip a works fine..
[19:28] <jrewing> tnks
[19:28] <ioria> jrewing, 17.04 i guess ...
[19:28] <jrewing> yupp
[19:28] <genii> If you're set on having ifconfig, it's in net-tools
[19:28] <genii> ( as far as Yakkety
[19:28] <shurtugal> I'm new to this system, but does anyone know how to purge the bluetooth on ubuntuMATE 17.04
[19:29] <jrewing> I dint get any smarter of the info in ip a . hahaha
[19:29] <ioria> jrewing, ifconfig did a lot of things, better check 'man ip'
[19:30] <jrewing> ok
[19:31] <feanor> Hi
[19:31] <jrewing> I give up... this is totaly to hard for my brain
[19:34] <jrewing> thanks for the help anyway
[19:37] <ohjq> any website admin here? I found a bug on the configuration of the website
[19:38] <genii> ohjq: #canonical-sysadmin
[19:38] <ohjq> genii: thanks
[19:38] <genii> ohjq: Read the topic in there first, might be something they are aware of
[19:48] <jvelasquez> Hi. My system is starting X on boot, I don't want X until I start it. Yet I see no Xdm or other DM in /etc/rc2.d.   How else could X be starting on Boot?
[19:49] <jvelasquez> btw, `lsb -r`==14.04
[19:50] <ioria> jvelasquez, you are on trusty and want to start in text mode ?
[19:50] <jvelasquez> ioria, yes please.
[19:51] <ioria> jvelasquez,  sudo nano /etc/default/grub and replace 'quite splash' with 'text'  and run sudo update-grub
[19:51] <ioria> *quiet
[19:53] <jvelasquez> ioria, heh. ok. Could I please get an explanation as to how some of the last steps of Upstart, are controlled by grub options.  There must be stuff in the middle, as to allow which Xdm, or Lightdm, or Kdm, or Gdm to start,  so where's the scripts in the middle live?
[19:53] <jvelasquez> and shouldn't I be able to remove that script in the middle?
[19:53] <ioria> jvelasquez,  lightdm , yes
[19:54] <ioria> jvelasquez,  by default the X server is managed by lightdm
[19:56] <jvelasquez> ioria, but it's disabled.  `update-rc.d lightdm disable`
[19:56] <ioria> jvelasquez,  if you see at boot, it's not disabled
[19:56] <jvelasquez> wait, let me try a somethuing
[19:58] <ioria> jvelasquez,  you probably need an .override
[19:58] <jotauver> I need to recursively compare two folders  full of photos (different folder structures), the photos can have different name... some idea? :)
[19:58] <nacc> jotauver: what does "compare" mean then?
[19:58] <ioria> jvelasquez,  echo  "manual" | sudo tee -a /etc/init/lightdm.override
[19:58] <nacc> jotauver: you want to find photos in one that are not in the other?
[19:58] <jotauver> yes!!
[19:58] <raisin> velasquez are you a ufc fan ?
[19:59] <jotauver> could not have same name..
[20:00] <jotauver> I want to know what photos in folder A are (or aren't) in folder B
[20:00] <nacc> jotauver: so take a step back, without thinking of how you'd implement it -- you need to identify somehow that two files are the same?
[20:00] <jotauver> yes, with the md5 i.e
[20:01] <jvelasquez> raisin, i used to train with BJ Pen and his brothers, and before that with Wally Carvalho, and then with Dr. Rebmon at Amador Jodu in Livermore, and also Nobu Uke in Hilo.  But not really.  Now I watch PBS
[20:02] <nacc> jotauver: right, so you'd need to make a list of all files in A with their hashes, then a list of all files in B with their hashes
[20:02] <raisin> pmsl
[20:02] <blkadder> diff?
[20:03] <jotauver> ok, but the list of a md5sum have 2 columns, if I do a diff... can I diff the first column only?
[20:03] <jvelasquez> raisin, but there's no linked scripts for lightdm in /etc/rc*.d,  so which scripts are doing this?
[20:03] <EriC^^> jotauver: what are you trying to do?
[20:03] <jvelasquez> err,  ioria I mean
[20:04] <raisin> this is very interesting but i ve no idea
[20:04] <jotauver> EriC^^:  I need to recursively compare two folders full of photos (different folder structures), the photos can have different name...
[20:06] <jvelasquez> ioria,  I'd just like to know how an override would work,  since there's no linked scripts for lightdm in /etc/rc*.d,  so which scripts are doing this?
[20:06] <blkadder> jotauver The same photo can have different names?
[20:06] <jotauver> yea
[20:06] <blkadder> oic
[20:06] <jotauver> I've to check the content with md5sum
[20:08] <raisin> have you looked @  var/log/lightdm/x-0.log ?
[20:09] <blkadder> til about md5deep
[20:09] <EriC^^> jotauver: you can use md5sum as nacc said and then use comm to compare the md5sums to see which are present in both or absent in another
[20:11] <jotauver> mmm I didn't know the comm command
[20:12] <aotaointbin> why does ufw hate me
[20:12] <quadeba> i am new on Linux and i need help. I am runing Ubuntu 16.04 and wireless is not working.
[20:12] <aotaointbin> it says port 9000 ALLLOW Anywhere
[20:12] <aotaointbin> i can hit it from localhost but nowhere else
[20:13] <aotaointbin> s/L//
[20:13] <Mathisen> quadeba, maybe some details on your problem.. can you see networks at all ? is wifi card installed and so on
[20:13] <EriC^^> jotauver: after the md5sum, do "awk '{print $1}' file1 | sort -u > newfile1" so you get the first column and sorted, same for the 2nd file then do comm -12 file1 file2 to get files that are in common etc see "man comm" for other options
[20:14] <jotauver> jmmm interesting ok! thanks!!! :)
[20:15] <quadeba> sorry. i can scan avaible wifi's but for some reason i can not connect to them. it only worked once. i have no idea what i have done
[20:15] <jvelasquez> How could I find out which Edition of ubuntu I have?  Desktop or Server?  lsb_release -a doesn't mention either
[20:16] <Ben64> jvelasquez: do you have a desktop
[20:16] <blkadder> uname -a perhaps?
[20:16] <nacc> jvelasquez: they are the same 'edition', just different default packages installed
[20:16]  * blkadder is guessing. :-)
[20:16] <jvelasquez> Ben64, yea, but I'm inquiring as to a 2U in the other room
[20:16] <raisin> quadeba do you have a non wireless interface ?
[20:16] <EriC^^> jotauver: no problem :)
[20:16] <raisin> if so can you try to disable it ?
[20:17] <jvelasquez> ok. I'm just trying to find the Documentation so that I can disable a service from boot.
[20:17] <Ben64> jvelasquez: if you have a desktop - it's desktop. if you only have command line, you have server
[20:18] <quadeba> lo        no wireless extensions.
[20:18] <quadeba> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[20:18] <quadeba> wlp2s0    IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:off/any
[20:18] <quadeba>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated
[20:18] <quadeba>           Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[20:18] <quadeba>           Power Management:off
[20:18] <Mathisen> !pastebin
[20:18] <raisin> quadeba, just do a ifconfig eth0 down
[20:18] <raisin> and see what it gives
[20:19] <jvelasquez> omg.
[20:20] <jvelasquez> So I goto Ubuntu.com and find my official docs for my version, and I doesn't have crap for help, so I search for services, and it's searching for All Ads with tag service.
[20:20] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: what version of Ubuntu?
[20:20] <jvelasquez> I just want to disable a dang service.  I guess I have to apt-get --purge, just to disable it?
[20:20] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  14.04
[20:21] <Ben64> jvelasquez: and what service
[20:21] <quadeba> ifconfig eth0 down make my ethenet not to work...
[20:21] <jvelasquez> perhaps I need to get inside the initramfs ?
[20:21] <Ben64> ...
[20:21] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: ok, so upstart then.    "echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/SERVICE.override"
[20:21] <jvelasquez> Ben64,  the Display Manager, lightdm
[20:22] <Ben64> neat
[20:22] <raisin> quadeba it's ok now try to connect to the acces point
[20:22] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  Could you help me find the documentation first?
[20:22] <raisin> eth0 = ethernet link
[20:22] <raisin> wlan0 = wireless link
[20:22] <quadeba> with cable is fine..the problem is wireless
[20:23] <raisin> i know
[20:23] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting
[20:23] <raisin> that's why i asked you to disable the physical link
[20:23] <Ben64> raisin: that doesn't really make sense though
[20:24] <raisin> it does sometimes having both wireless and physical link can mess up your connection
[20:24] <raisin> if the routes are incorrect
[20:25] <_adb> hello, i've got a vm running 16.04.02 in xen (dom0 also running 16.04.02). issuing `shutdown -h 0` fails, saying "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory".  any thoughts on how to resolve?
[20:25] <raisin> try to connect to your wireless access point now
[20:25] <gredjok> how do I find out the path to mediainfo?
[20:26] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  thank you.
[20:26] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: yw
[20:26] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  I don't understand why the community hides this
[20:26] <b-yeezi> gredjok, which mediainfo
[20:27] <Ben64> jvelasquez: it's not hidden
[20:27] <b-yeezi> gredjok, for me, it's located in /usr/bin
[20:27] <gredjok> b-yeezi, 0.7.91
[20:27] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: well, we use systemd now for starters. Secondly, it's not hidden. It's in the upstart documentation
[20:28] <jvelasquez> tgm4883, ok. Please show me the path to get to it, starting from ubuntu.com.
[20:28] <jvelasquez> cause I've been clicking around the upstart.ubuntu.com page and couldn't find it.
[20:29] <Ben64> jvelasquez: starting from google.com ... "ubuntu 14.04 disable service" -> click first result, done
[20:29] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: that seems like a silly requirement
[20:29] <jvelasquez> when It could be put right into the header menu across the top.
[20:29] <folf> Hi, does anyone know how to install git on ubuntu snappy core? I'm trying to see if I can push a git repo to it, running on a raspberry pi. There was a "gogs" snap at some point, but I can't find a git snap.
[20:29] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  It's always been the most important requirement of all projects!
[20:30] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  the link to the good docs are at the top!
[20:30] <jvelasquez> tgm4883, It's always among the first few things I check before choosing a tech
[20:30] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: I'm doubtful you'd find that on any distro's webpage
[20:30] <jvelasquez> debian.org !
[20:30] <jvelasquez> gnu.org!
[20:31] <jvelasquez> windriver.com!~
[20:31] <Ben64> i don't see "how to disable a service from starting on boot" on the top of debian.org
[20:31] <jvelasquez> Ben64, but you can get there by reading along thru the menus
[20:31] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: I'd be happy to discuss this with your further in #ubuntu-discuss as it's off topic for this channel
[20:31] <_adb> resolved my issue by installing dbus package. apparently xen-create-image doesn't include that.
[20:31] <jvelasquez> is it off topic?
[20:32] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: it's not support anymore
[20:34] <grantwu> Lori
[20:34] <grantwu> Oops
[20:35] <raisin> do you confirm that we can click on that link without being invaded by aliens ? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting
[20:37] <tgm4883> raisin: stay on topic please
[20:38] <raisin> ?
[20:39] <raisin> it's definitely ON topic since it's a link posted a few lines above with regards to velasquez issue
[20:39] <raisin> ...
[20:39] <oerheks> because of the http and not https?
[20:40] <raisin> no because of the uri
[20:41] <codenul> HALP!
[20:42] <codenul> is there a way to fix broken NO_PUBKEY errors?
[20:42] <raisin> no
[20:42] <Ben64> !details | codenul
[20:42] <codenul> fir software sources
[20:42] <blkadder> codenul Get the key?
[20:42] <codenul> when i run apt-get update
[20:43] <k1l> codenul: put the errors into paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[20:43] <oerheks> sudo apt-key update
[20:43] <oerheks> * with the option --keyring
[20:43] <codenul> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24422661/
[20:44] <codenul> same result oerheks
[20:44] <codenul> one sec, adding option
[20:45] <codenul> yeah same result
[20:45] <k1l> codenul: "sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 5A9A06AEF9CB8DB0"
[20:45] <k1l> codenul: and after that with the second key: 14E4942973C62A1B
[20:46] <jvelasquez> tgm4883, ok. So, If I remove the service from the rc*.d scripts, but not override it,  in what order would the service be run?   And which scripts implement this behavior?
[20:46] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: in what order?
[20:47] <codenul> just hangs there with a carrot symbot
[20:47] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  ohh. unless upstart attempts to do it all at once?
[20:47] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: yes, in a way
[20:47] <k1l> codenul: ?
[20:48] <jvelasquez> tgm4883,  is upstart a set of scripts, or binaries?
[20:48] <codenul> command worked
[20:48] <codenul> thanks guys
[20:49] <grantwu> So I have a way to pretty reliably hard lock my Ubuntu system
[20:49] <codenul> been off and on with linux but truly making the jump now
[20:49] <tgm4883> jvelasquez: the jobs are scripts
[20:49] <grantwu> Which is namely, "plug this Ethernet adapter into another Ethernet adapter"
[20:50] <hanshenrik> in a clean 16.04 netinst, if you run `apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core lxde-common;apt install lxdm xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-vmware lxterminal policykit-1;reboot`, the login screen says "debian 8" in the background :p
[20:51] <raisin> how can i save the information given in this forum ?
[20:51] <raisin> i mean i learned a lot of things today just by watching
[20:51] <k1l> !irclogs | raisin
[20:51] <hanshenrik> raisin, well, you could install leafpad and use that
[20:52] <raisin> thanks
[20:52] <raisin> hanshen my copy and paste doesn't work with commands
[20:53] <codenul> any tips before i take my Net+ tests?
[20:53] <k1l> raisin: you can enable your irc program to create own logfiles.
[20:53] <raisin> ok i ll do it
[20:53] <raisin> thanks
[20:54] <raisin> !irclogs
[20:54] <raisin> so this is the official ubuntu irc !!
[20:54] <raisin> that's cool
[20:55] <k1l> raisin: yes it is. look at the topic :)  "/topic"
[20:56] <raisin> nice , now i know where to come when i get stuck
[20:57] <raisin> have a good night
[21:04] <codenul> quiet night
[21:05] <Azero> I got really confused before remembering that different timezones exist.
[21:06] <codenul> haha
[21:06] <codenul> been really enjoying Linux the last couple week tbh
[21:06] <codenul> dont know why i didnt take the jump years ago
[21:13] <Azero> codenul, I've been enjoying it myself but I only made the switch last night. So I'm a complete noob when it comes to any of the more interesting things that can be done.
[21:13] <jotauver> EriC^^:  pls can you past here again what to do with the finals files of the checksum?  my pc stucked... sorry
[21:14] <k1l> !irclogs | jotauver
[21:14] <k1l> this channel is logged so you can look up what was said in here
[21:15] <jotauver> greaaattt
[21:15] <jotauver> thnks
[21:16] <imightbestupid12> should I upgrade to the new 17.04 distribution?
[21:17] <YankDownUnder> imightbestupid12: What are you running now?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> imightbestupid12: Updating to 17.04 is a purely personal choice .
[21:17] <imightbestupid12> 16.04
[21:17] <imightbestupid12> it's a server with stuff installed like php and nginx
[21:17]  * YankDownUnder sits happily on 16.04.2
[21:18] <codenul> Azero: honestly two nights ago i been the full switch
[21:18] <codenul> made*
[21:18] <codenul> but i have messed around over the years
[21:18] <dax> wouldn't recommend updating, 17.04 isn't LTS
[21:18] <Bashing-om> imightbestupid12: Servers "should" be on LTS releases !
[21:18] <imightbestupid12> why is should in quotes>
[21:19] <dax> probably for emphasis
[21:19] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: you asked whether you "should", he was quoting you
[21:19] <imightbestupid12> oh
[21:20] <imightbestupid12> If I'm running 16.10 that's bad right?
[21:20] <dax> definitely not ideal
[21:20] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: it is not advisable for a server
[21:20] <imightbestupid12> Why do VPS providers offer that for the servers?
[21:20] <imightbestupid12> Also, what's wrong with using this version for a server?
[21:21] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: that is their choice, doesn't make much sense because of the support timescale
[21:21] <imightbestupid12> What kind of support are we talking about?
[21:21] <k1l> imightbestupid12: the issue is, that you need to upgrade every 6 months, if you dont stay on LTS. and that is not what you want to do on a server.
[21:22] <imightbestupid12> Why would I need to upgrade every 6 months?
[21:22] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: normal realeased are supported for 9 months, lts releases for 5 years
[21:22] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: no support means no updates, no bugfixes
[21:22] <k1l> imightbestupid12: look at ubuntu.com/usn and think if you want to get that security updates or not.
[21:24] <k1l> imightbestupid12: non-LTS have 9 months support timeframe. so from july 2017 you wont get any security updates anymore. so you need to upgrade to 17.04
[21:24] <imightbestupid12> will i be able to upgrade to 17.04 LTS?
[21:24] <dax> 17.04 is not LTS
[21:24] <dax> as previously said
[21:24] <imightbestupid12> Will there be a 17.04 LTS?
[21:24] <dax> 16.04 is LTS, and 18.04 will be LTS.
[21:24] <imightbestupid12> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:25] <dax> no.
[21:25] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: lts gets released every 2 years
[21:25] <imightbestupid12> Oh
[21:25] <imightbestupid12> Is it possible for me to upgrade from 16.10 to 16.04 LTS?
[21:26] <tomreyn> that would be a downgrade
[21:26] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: that would be a downgrade, and the answer is no
[21:26] <tomreyn> downgrades are not supported
[21:26] <imightbestupid12> =*(
[21:26] <imightbestupid12> Why not?
[21:26] <imightbestupid12> I just spent so much time working with this server :(
[21:26]  * imightbestupid12 cries
[21:27] <auronandace> imightbestupid12: and you didn't invest much time considering how long it is supported for?
[21:27] <tomreyn> if you'r eon a non LTS release now you can upgrade it until you reach the next LTS release and use LTS from there on
[21:35] <marvin2> what does a red file ending with @ indicate?
[21:35] <marvin2> in terminal
[21:35] <marvin2> if I try to access it it says file does not exist, so maybe it is a broken link?
[21:37] <colly> hi, can anyone tell me if rc.local is run before any services?
[21:39] <Aprexer> /usr/bin/lwp-request warning Anything to be worried about?
[21:39] <LinuxN00b> what is the difference between ubuntu and linux?
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> Ubuntu *is* linux.
[21:40] <Aprexer> Linux is a kernal
[21:40] <Aprexer> Ubuntu is a distro
[21:40] <Aprexer> Klined lol
[21:42] <Akuma> Hello, I'm trying to get a USB to Ethernet adapter on 17.04LTS using the AX88179 chipset, I downloaded the drivers from the site and followed the readme instructions; doing lsusb shows the device, but for some reason I don't get an interface when doing ifconfig
[21:43] <Akuma> any ideas what I am doing wrong?
[21:44] <tomreyn> Akuma: 17.04LTS does not exist. there is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, there withh be Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, there is Ubuntu 16.10 and 17.04 and there will be Ubuntu 17.10
[21:44] <dharma> hi guys
[21:44] <Akuma> when I do `dmesg |grep ASIX` I can see this: http://prntscr.com/eyw5iz
[21:44] <tomreyn> withh -> will
[21:44] <dharma> i need some help regarding disabling inbuilt wifi adapter
[21:45] <Akuma> tomreyn, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[21:45] <Akuma> you are right, I downloaded 17.04
[21:45] <Akuma> server version
[21:45] <dharma> hello
[21:46] <tomreyn> Akuma: what does lsusb output for the AX88179 ?
[21:47] <marvin2> how do I actually clear terminal? clear just scrolls the text up out of the view
[21:47] <tomreyn> reset
[21:47] <tomreyn> marvin2: ^
[21:47] <marvin2> hilarious
[21:48] <tomreyn> it does more than just clearing it, but i think it's what you wanted
[21:49] <marvin2> tomreyn you are a true comedian
[21:49] <marvin2> got any more of them jokes
[21:50] <tomreyn> i'm german, i don't understand the concept of jokes. also, this is just a support channel, we'd need to move chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:51] <oerheks> 'clear' would be more appropriate ..
[21:52] <marvin2> oerheks clear just scrolls the text up, I want to delete it
[21:52] <grantwu> So, I've made some progress on my issue.
[21:52] <oerheks> clear bashhistory ..
[21:52] <grantwu> When I plug in my Ethernet adapters in a particular way, I panic the kernel
[21:53] <ChaiTRex> grantwu: Success!
[21:53] <grantwu> I've setup kdump, but it doesn't seem to have written anything
[21:54] <oerheks> history -c .. nice howto with a lot of examples http://sourcedigit.com/13507-clear-terminal-history-ubuntu/
[21:55] <marvin2> oerheks ok I am obviously not describing what I want well.. i want to clear the text in the terminal, not bash command history. you would think clear will do that, but it doesn't, all the text is still there
[21:55] <al2o3-cr> marvin2: clear then printf '\033[3J'
[21:56] <ChaiTRex> marvin2: Does `reset` work?
[21:56] <marvin2> ok printing '\033[3J' did it
[22:00] <marvin2> tomreyn heh, my apologies. I somehow read "reset" as "reboot". reset does the job as well
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> `reset` is quite nice if your terminal gets messed up somehow.
[22:04] <skinux> To remvoe a PPA, does it need to be this "sudo add-apt-repository --remove "https://deb.packager.io/gh/opf/openproject-ce xenial Release"
[22:04] <tomreyn> marvin2: np, I was wondering whether that might be the case. luckily there are man pages which can ease your mind about running commands you are not sure about.
[22:05] <katakaio> skinux: I find it easier to simply delete the PPA in question from /etc/apt/sources.list or sources.list.d
[22:05] <skinux> It's not in /etc/apt/sources.list, but maybe in sources.list.d
[22:06] <katakaio> Even easier then :)
[22:06] <mark76> MY GOD I HATE LINUX WEB BROWSERS
[22:06] <mark76> THEY ALL SUCK SUCK SUCK
[22:06] <grantwu> what does that mean
[22:06] <ikonia> no need for caps please mark76
[22:06] <grantwu> Are you saying the one true web browser is Microsoft Edge?
[22:07] <mark76> Just name me one web browser for this operating system that's not broken in some crucial way
[22:07] <YankDownUnder> Ah. (looks at Chrome and Firefox)...funny - seems to be more than fine here...must be the coffee.
[22:07] <grantwu> Chrome seems to work fine for me, yeah
[22:07] <ikonia> mark76: why dont you state the problem so people can help if they can
[22:07] <mark76> Firefox slows down to a crawl after only an hour's use
[22:08] <grantwu> Like, I have plenty of problems with Linux; the web browser selection is not one of them...
[22:08] <mark76> Chromium don't want none of yo fancy gtk
[22:08] <ikonia> mark76: thats not everyones experience
[22:08] <grantwu> You can enable the gtk theme
[22:08] <ikonia> mark76: whats the problem with chromium please ?
[22:09] <mark76> Even with the GTK theme enabled it doesn't really use the system GTK theme
[22:09] <ikonia> thats not really broken is it
[22:09] <mark76> It just makes an approximation
[22:09] <ikonia> thats just not the theme you really want
[22:09] <mark76> And that's why I don't use Chromium
[22:09] <Bashing-om> mark76: Ya got the ram to support the fearures you want in a browser ? Is your graphic's card laying the load on the CPU ?
[22:09] <grantwu> Okay, but that's a comparatively small problem
[22:10] <grantwu> Meanwhile over here I can cause the kernel to dereference a null pointer at 0x8 if I plug in these ethernet adapters a certain way
[22:10] <mark76> I have 4 GBs of RAM.  Don't tell me I need even more now?
[22:11] <mark76> I don't have a graphics card
[22:11] <ikonia> you're using the video from onboard the cpu ?
[22:11] <mark76> Yes
[22:11] <CodeMouse92__> (4GB is becoming the new "low end" of memory)
[22:11] <ikonia> 4gb is fine
[22:11] <ikonia> far fro  low end
[22:11] <mark76> They don't make graphics cards for my computer anymore
[22:11] <ikonia> from
[22:12] <jvelasquez> tgm4883, heh. did you see the link to the upstart cookbook in red right at the top of the Getting Started page?
[22:12] <CodeMouse92__> ikonia: I guess it depends on what you're doing. I find 4GB is usually too sluggish/
[22:12] <ikonia> mark76: what type of computer is this
[22:12] <mark76> Compaq SR5219UK?
[22:13] <ikonia> CodeMouse92__: then you are not doing normal desktop operations and 4gb is far from low end
[22:13] <nacc> mark76: sorry if you mentioned it already, what version of ubuntu?
[22:13] <mark76> I'm trying to edit a post on Facebook
[22:13] <ikonia> mark76: that says it comes with an athlon x2 cpu
[22:14] <ikonia> and it uses an onboard nvidia chipset video card
[22:14] <grantwu> I am inclined to blame Facebook here
[22:14] <grantwu> Although, to be fair, I have a desktop system with 4 GB of RAM and an Athlon x2 and it can still use Facebook fine
[22:14] <mark76> That's correct Ikonia
[22:14] <ikonia> that desktop is 10 years old
[22:14] <ikonia> mark76: ok - so thats quiet different than what you told us
[22:14] <ikonia> quiet ?? quite I mean
[22:15] <mark76> It's also over 10 years old and I can't afford anything newer :(
[22:15] <grantwu> My desktop is indeed 10 years and 4 months old
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> (Trying to race in the Indy 500 with a Ford Model-T)
[22:15] <mark76> So we all agree Facebook is a sucky RAM and CPU hog?
[22:15] <ikonia> mark76: not really
[22:16] <katakaio> mark76: there are a number of linux distros that are designed to work as smoothly as possible on lower-spec machines, including xubuntu and lubuntu
[22:16] <ikonia> mark76: is your machine actually running low on resources
[22:16] <grantwu> It is relative to what it should be; but it should still be usable.  Are you using recent Ubuntu/Firefox?
[22:16] <mark76> I'm actually using Xubuntu
[22:16] <mark76> I don't know ikonia
[22:16] <dropkick500> Yeah there's even distros designed for pcs that are optimized to run things like windows 98
[22:17] <ikonia> mark76: ok, so thats something to look into first, what resources your machine has free
[22:17] <YankDownUnder> Still be usable - yes - IF you're running a window manager/desktop manager that is NOT heavy on resources - like Unity or Gnome or Mate or Cinnamon or KDE...THEN it might run well...
[22:17] <mark76> I'm using 16:10 and whatever version of FF comes with it
[22:17] <oerheks> not a youtube racemonster card, GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
[22:18] <katakaio> mark76: excellent, xubuntu is a favorite of mine :) As much as I love Chromium, I always had better luck with Firefox on my xubuntu box. Restricting the cache size was the key to making Firefox happy in my case
[22:18] <mark76> I'm using 44% Ram and between 60 and 100% of my CPU
[22:19] <ikonia> mark76: so your cpu maxing out isn't great
[22:19] <mark76> Yeah, but I don't know what to do about it
[22:19] <katakaio> mark76: ikonia said that your rig has an onboard video card. Have you tried updating your graphics drivers or using the restricted drivers?
[22:20] <mark76> I'm using the Nvidia driver
[22:21] <katakaio> Well, I'd be curious to see what process is hogging the cpu with top or similar
[22:22] <mark76> Firefox is using 53%
[22:22] <mark76> ~53%
[22:22] <mark76> It fluctuates
[22:22] <tomreyn> about:performance
[22:22] <mark76> In firefox?
[22:23] <tomreyn> yes, should help you find out what is consuming the resources
[22:23] <tomreyn> those 53%
[22:23] <mark76> The stupid thing is I'm not even using any plugins
[22:23] <mark76> Well, not active ones
[22:25] <mark76> Would you mind a screenshot instead of me trying to explain what I got from about:performance?
[22:26] <katakaio> mark76: this is xubuntu 16.10 x64?
[22:26] <mark76> Yes it is katakaio
[22:27] <mark76> http://i.imgur.com/pTSr9sP.png
[22:28] <mark76> http://i.imgur.com/EY1LK4t.png
[22:29] <mark76> http://i.imgur.com/93p2rz7.png
[22:29] <tomreyn> mark76: no clues there. about:support may be of use then.
[22:31] <mark76> I've tried refreshing
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> mark76: Just wondering - have you tried turning off "compositing" in the XFce settings?
[22:32] <jvelasquez> ok.  So Upstart is great.  Now was somebody saying it's been deprecated?
[22:33] <nacc> jvelasquez: not just deprecated, it will be removed eventually
[22:33] <nacc> jvelasquez: and it's not the default in 16.04+ (technically 15.10+, but 15.10 is eol)
[22:34] <mark76> I'll try it, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make
[22:34] <jvelasquez> nacc, ok. and what is replacing it?
[22:34] <YankDownUnder> mark76: "Compositiing" eats up resource...especially for graphics (GPU) related stuff...which FF uses...hmm...
[22:35] <mark76> Ah
[22:35] <Bashing-om> nacc: Off the top of your head ... is upstart dead now in 17.04 on a clean fresh install ?
[22:35] <nacc> Bashing-om: i think it's still used by the session manager
[22:35] <YankDownUnder> mark76: Triming down all unnecessary "graphics" toys/eye-candy will help.
[22:35] <nacc> Bashing-om: for login sessions
[22:35] <nacc> jvelasquez: systemd
[22:36] <nacc> jvelasquez: and has replaced it everywhere, essentially
[22:36] <jvelasquez> nacc,  ahh. that's what I've got, and I hate it.
[22:36] <nacc> jvelasquez: you can use a different distribution, but most are coalescing around systemd
[22:36] <Bashing-om> mark76: K. was watching the conversation, to try and remove upstart completely in 17.04 .
[22:37] <nacc> jvelasquez: you're also quite late to this particular discussion :)
[22:37] <nacc> Bashing-om: but i will say, on my 17.04 right now, no upstart running
[22:37] <nacc> Bashing-om: so we might be rid of it now
[22:37] <nacc> Bashing-om: yeah it's not installed on my system and it's fine
[22:37] <nacc> Bashing-om: so i'm guessing it will be removed in AA, definitely by 18.04
[22:38] <tomreyn> mark76: as previously hinted at, i'd suggest you also look into firefox caching settings, making the disk cache less thann 500 MB (maybe just 100 MB). if you have an old hard drive there then disk writes will considerably slow everything down.
[22:38] <mark76> Right
[22:39] <Bashing-om> nacc: We move on to bigger and better things , Hello systemd !
[22:39] <nacc> Bashing-om: indeed :)
[22:39] <oerheks> Artfull Aardvark :-D
[22:40] <mark76> Where do I go to set the cache level?
[22:41] <tomreyn> mark76:  about:preferences, Advanced, Network
[22:43] <mark76> Okay, I set the cache to 100mb
[22:44] <tomreyn> mark76: if yours is really old, consider getting a hard disk which is a couple years younger (if you can get it cheap or for free, can be 2nd hand). it'll still make a huge impact.
[22:45]  * tomreyn to bed
[22:46] <mark76> Aye, I should do that.  But what about all my data?
[22:50] <gredjok> what can I use to reduce size of a pdf, not affecting qua.ity?
[22:50] <gredjok> or affecting it not much. 70 pages are 270mb
[22:51] <sysict> can help how to setup rsync server for repository
[22:52] <kostkon> mark76, even better, get an SSD
[22:58] <genii> mark76: Get a larger drive than the one you have, then boot to livecd/usb, dd the old one to the new one, then gparted to adjust the old partition sizes to fill the new drive
[22:59] <viju> Hi
[23:00] <viju> How do I enable java in chrome/firefox? Using ubuntu 16.04
[23:00] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i test thunderbolt 3 speed
[23:01] <marvin2> my ubuntu running in VM flies after I moved it to a partition on ssd. I thought VM was the bottle neck but it clearly wasn't
[23:01] <m_> viju didn't Firefox remove support for Java?
[23:01] <hfp> Hi all, I was happily running 16.10 using the built-in backup system daily. Then I updated to 17.04 because I like adventure. Of course I didn't backup because I had daily built-in backups. A couple of days later, I find 17.04 very buggy and I'd like to go back to 16.10. Is there any way I can use my backups to either restore my settings on a fresh 16.10 install or roll back to 16.10 altogether? I thought
[23:01] <hfp> this system made full incremental backups but I now have a hunch it did not and my backups are pretty much useles... Any thoughts?
[23:01] <m_> viju https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/npapi-plugins?as=u&utm_source=inproduct
[23:03] <viju> m_: same happened with chrome?
[23:03] <m_> viju I believe so
[23:03] <viju> Why is it supported on windows browsers?
[23:04] <viju> Just for using one application I have to go to windows. That just defeats the purpose why java was used.
[23:04] <m_> and is it supported?? Which ones?
[23:05] <m_> Internet Explorer only?
[23:05] <viju> It's some cisco app webex believe
[23:05] <marvin2> how do I prevent alt+tab in ubuntu from grouping multiple instances of the same program together?
[23:05] <viju> m_: I can use it on certain chrome version, I dont remember version number
[23:06] <m_> I suppose this must be a pretty early version viju
[23:06] <m_> I don't think it's a good idea to run outdated versions of browsers
[23:06] <ChaiTRex> viju: You can try `javaws`.
[23:07] <nickmena> #list
[23:09] <backbox> hello
[23:09] <backbox> hey
[23:12] <Jordan_U> marvin2: This doesn't directly answer your question, but it might be useful to know that alt+` switches between windows within an ap.
[23:23] <viju> ChaiTRex: I don't know how to use it for opening webex session
[23:34] <selsperr> How do I check if I have the correct drivers already installed on ubuntu?
[23:34] <selsperr> graphics wise
[23:37] <Bashing-om> selsperr: Depemds on the card and what release you are on . lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga .
[23:37] <Bashing-om> depends*
[23:39] <selsperr> https://pastebin.com/CsL6Wq5p
[23:39] <thatlizdude> ok so today in the morning, i opened up my laptop and entered the CORRECT password, and it wouldn't let me in, it said it's the wrong password, so i had to restart for it to work again
[23:39] <thatlizdude> why would that happen? where can i find logs?
[23:39] <acovrig> IDK if it's an ubuntu or libvirt issue, but in ubutnu 16.04 my VMs' networking died and refuses to come back - bridges work, I can dhclient br1, but a VM attached to br1 doesn't get an IP...
[23:42] <thatlizdude> i really can't have this happen again, otherwise i would have to switch to different OS
[23:42] <Bashing-om> selsperr: " Radeon HD 4650 " so we are looking at the radeon driver . confirm ' sudo lshw -C display ; lsmod | grep radeon ' .
[23:44] <selsperr> https://pastebin.com/Aj2tK1Mc
[23:45] <selsperr> not sure what any of that means
[23:46] <Bashing-om> selsperr: You have what is and what is - is correct " configuration: driver=radeon // radeon  1515520  4 " .
[23:46] <selsperr> which bit am I meant to be looking at
[23:47] <selsperr> so all good on that front?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> selsperr: AMD cards . Presently there are only 3 . old cards take the radein driver, new carts take the andgpu driver, bleeding edge cards do amdgpu-pro .
[23:49] <thatlizdude> so i have found the log
[23:49] <thatlizdude> this is the log when the login failed even though i entered the right password: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9df760be03752a54d7bca05b6adb3977
[23:49] <thatlizdude> please take a look, i need to know why it happened
[23:54] <thatlizdude> hello...?
[23:54] <andywork> who is there?
[23:56] <thatlizdude> i just need help with why it didn't take the password :(
[23:56] <warren_> Hi guys I'm trying to use a gpu externally on my laptop via a mpcie to pcie x1 adapter, it's all hooked up but I can't boot with power on the gpu. Anyone have any suggestions as to what steps I can take to get this working? Using a toshiba satellite 1505 running ubuntu mate 16.04