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ducassemorning all06:40
lotuspsychjemorning guys08:36
ducassehi lotus! how are you today?08:37
lotuspsychjehey ducasse great here, and you?08:37
lotuspsychjeducasse: day off, and round2 of the roof here08:37
ducassegood, thanks. are they finishing the roof today?08:38
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah the second part08:38
ducasseand no rain today? :)08:39
lotuspsychjeducasse: no, we lucky today is the only sunny one, next week rainy forecast08:39
ducasselotuspsychje: nice weather here too, blue sky and sunny.08:42
ducasseplan for the day: pay bills :-/08:43
lotuspsychjelol08:43
ducasseit has to be done, but it's just depressing :)08:44
lotuspsychjeyeah, much?08:45
ducassenot more than i can handle, it's just sad to see so much money disappear so fast :)08:45
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah, you said norway was expensive, does that count for house rent also?08:47
lotuspsychjeyears ago i recall norway invited foreign ppl to come to live in norway in free houses right?08:48
ducassecan't remember that, but housing costs are pretty expensive.08:49
lotuspsychjeducasse: cant you save money by changing provider/water/electricity etc?08:54
Ben64what08:54
Ben64i wanna move to norway for a free house08:54
lotuspsychjeducasse: we saved like 50% on switching internet provider and cheaper gas/electricity08:54
ducasselotuspsychje: don't need to, really :) electricity cost isn't that bad.08:55
Ben64my electric bill was $75 last month : /08:55
lotuspsychjeBen64: thats rather good right?08:57
Ben64it's expensive08:57
ducassehousing is cheaper in the us than here, afaik08:57
Ben64only going up from here08:57
Ben64temps rising08:57
ducasselotuspsychje: another user in #u having problems with ath9k driver on zesty... seems to be common.09:01
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immuducasse: hi09:27
ducasse\o09:32
immuducasse: how u doing09:33
ducassegood thanks, and you?09:34
immuducasse: good09:45
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah had a few wifi issues lately on zesty on different chipsets10:10
lotuspsychjeducasse, Ben64 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2997012/Yours-just-FIVE-PENCE-Norwegian-holiday-home-comes-island-private-beach-stunning-views-need-renovations.html10:11
lotuspsychje!info firefox10:15
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 53.0+build6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 47104 kB, installed size 111977 kB10:15
ducasselotuspsychje: lol10:16
lotuspsychjehehe10:16
ducasselotuspsychje: that is _remote_ :)10:16
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop10:17
ducasselotuspsychje: getting materials and equipment to do it up out there is going to cost a fortune in itself10:17
lotuspsychjegood news for blueskaj10:17
ducassekde as default will probably never happen, i think, but it's not really an issue as long as all the flavors exist10:19
lotuspsychjeyeah dont think so neither10:20
lotuspsychjeim getting this after i installed kubuntu-desktop: https://hastebin.com/uxuxitewan.sql10:29
ducassesudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb10:30
lotuspsychjelemme try10:30
lotuspsychjedpkg error10:31
BluesKajHowdy folks11:02
daftykins\o wb11:04
ducasse\o11:04
BluesKajHey daftykins, ducasse11:05
EriC^^hey daftykins ducasse BluesKaj11:11
ducassewb EriC^^ :)11:12
EriC^^thanks ducasse11:12
EriC^^:)11:12
daftykins\o11:12
BluesKajHi EriC^^11:13
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj11:55
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: seen this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop11:55
lotuspsychje!info ubuntu-mate-desktop12:34
ubot5ubuntu-mate-desktop (source: ubuntu-mate-meta): Ubuntu MATE - full desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.154.1 (xenial), package size 3 kB, installed size 16 kB12:34
lordievaderlotuspsychje: Why would they make Ubuntu run KDE? What is the point in having Kubuntu and Ubuntu if they both run the same stuff.12:54
lordievaderI'd rather see a combination of force than doing the same thing in parallel.12:55
lotuspsychjelordievader: its working now, and just testing out stuff here12:55
ducassenever going to happen, but if it did, kubuntu would just cut the 'k' from the name.12:56
BluesKajdon't think it's gonna happen , too many kde haters out there12:57
BluesKajand some of them on the ubuntu council have issues with JR13:00
ducasseis he the guy that was fired as lead?13:01
lotuspsychjeducasse: http://imgur.com/a/Oo1sh13:02
lordievaderYeah, he was pretty much bullied away.13:02
lotuspsychjeperhaps a w1ndows rat infiltrated to make ubuntu ugly13:03
lotuspsychjeto gain popularity13:03
BluesKajthe main perp doesn't seem to be around anymore or hr changed his nick ...wish I could recall it, think I'd recognize it if it was listed13:11
immuBluesKaj: how are your adventures going on?13:12
BluesKajpretended he was a nice person , but he plotted against JR and promoted false accusations against him13:13
BluesKajimmu:  what adventures?13:16
ducasseBluesKaj: i didn't follow that thing at all, just read the news that the lead was asked to resign and a lot of people were unhappy about it.13:17
immudistro ones BluesKaj?13:17
BluesKajwell, I'm on Kubuntu 17.04 atm and have Debian Stetch on another partition...tried fedora 25 gnome 3.22on the laptop,  very smooth on default Wayland, but gnome is gnome so I dumped it13:22
immudid you try neon kde ? BluesKaj13:23
BluesKajyeah a few months ago, but it wasn't anything special in my estimation13:24
immuits based on LTS so nope for me to . blur13:25
BluesKajthere's lot of arch type hype around neon, but it didn't do much for me...your experience may be different tho13:25
immuBluesKaj:13:25
immuwhat are you thoughts on manjaro kde . BluesKaj13:28
ducassemanjaro - "arch done the wrong way"13:30
immuducasse: why so? and what do you use as your prefered distro?13:31
BluesKajimmu:  I have opnion about manjaro...haven't tried it13:31
BluesKajno opinion13:31
ducasseimmu: it's arch set up so the user "shouldn't" need to understand what's going on underneath, which contradicts the entire point of arch13:33
immuis kubuntu still a official flavour of Ubuntu13:34
lotuspsychje!flavors13:34
ubot5Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours13:34
immui am always gravitated towards ubuntu13:37
BluesKajyeah once you've installed arch via the shell , then you have just an ordinary OS which doesn't really do anything much different than other OSs. it's a competent OS there's no doubt , but after all the work to install it I'm left with the conclusion , ok now what? is that all there is?  :-)13:37
ducasseyou sort of assemble it piece by piece to do whatever you want it to do :)13:39
immuOk ducasse BluesKaj but as said i am always gravitated towards Ubuntu, no matter distro, it works so well for me13:39
ducassei use ubuntu on everything except my desktop, it works well on pretty much anything13:43
immuducasse:  why not on desktop, because of unity?13:43
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-release-date13:44
ducasseimmu: i need very recent versions of certain packages, and i need to self-build a number of things. i also like knowing exactly how everything is configured.13:46
immubrb14:15
immuBluesKaj: back14:53
immuits so quite in here?14:55
nicomachusimmu: it's almost always quiet in here15:12
nicomachusnautilus tells me I have 322.1 GB free, but my indicator applet in the menu bar only says 299.94GB.... hmmm...15:13
ducassegigabyte vs gibibyte15:19
nicomachushuh15:20
nicomachuswhat's a gibibyte15:20
nicomachusam I missing a joke?15:20
ducassehttps://techterms.com/definition/gibibyte15:20
EriC^^those terms really sound stupid15:21
ducasse322 gigabyte = 299.88586902603 gibibyte15:21
nicomachuswhat15:22
nicomachusthe15:22
nicomachusactual15:22
nicomachuscrap15:22
ducassewhen you buy a disk, the size is actually specified in gibibytes. saves the manufacturers money and makes your disk smaller than what you though you were getting.15:23
nicomachuswhy does my indicator applet use a different unit of measurement than the rest of my machine?15:23
ducasseit's silly, but that's how sad things are now.15:25
EriC^^they should make 1 unit for it15:25
EriC^^SI is bibyte right?15:26
ducasseyes, they made that 'the standard'.15:26
EriC^^it can get pretty confusing, especially in linux tools15:31
EriC^^parted is in GB, df in GiB, etc15:31
ducasse"si - because idiots don't know how to multiply by 1024." ;)15:32
EriC^^isn't it the opposite?15:33
EriC^^1 kebibyte is 1024bytes , and 1 kilobyte 1000bytes?15:33
ducasse_now_, yes, but a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes for all of my life.15:34
EriC^^hi pauljw17:58
pauljwhey EriC^^ :)17:58
blackflowAny ideas what's the point of the new ubuntu server installer? What was wrong with the debian text mode installer?23:36
daftykinsoh they ruined that now too? oh dear23:37
daftykinsif it's on 17.xx releases then it's moot, LTS all the way23:37
blackflowNo, but seriously, I thought Unity was lessons learned in the NIH no-no. I guess learning is hard.23:38
blackflowwas anything wrong with the debian installer?23:39
daftykinsi suppose only the mandatory DHCP attempt approach grated with me over the years23:41
blackflowthat's easily fixable23:42
daftykinswell, changed... fix implies there's a flaw23:43
daftykinsanywho, not seen what the new take is23:43
blackflowhere's a preview: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install23:43
daftykinsta23:43
daftykinsyep that looks like reinventing the wheel23:48
tsimonq2I think it's a poor naming choice.23:49
tsimonq2sub-iquity...23:49
daftykinsheh i wasn't sure if it was a legit name or the guy was claiming it as the inferior version of ubiquity ;D23:50
tsimonq2It's apparently legit.23:50
tsimonq2I will add that dash whenever I reference it until someone gets the clue. :D23:51
blackflowsubnihquity :)23:54

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