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ducasse | morning all | 06:40 |
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lotuspsychje | morning guys | 08:36 |
ducasse | hi lotus! how are you today? | 08:37 |
lotuspsychje | hey ducasse great here, and you? | 08:37 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: day off, and round2 of the roof here | 08:37 |
ducasse | good, thanks. are they finishing the roof today? | 08:38 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah the second part | 08:38 |
ducasse | and no rain today? :) | 08:39 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: no, we lucky today is the only sunny one, next week rainy forecast | 08:39 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: nice weather here too, blue sky and sunny. | 08:42 |
ducasse | plan for the day: pay bills :-/ | 08:43 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 08:43 |
ducasse | it has to be done, but it's just depressing :) | 08:44 |
lotuspsychje | yeah, much? | 08:45 |
ducasse | not more than i can handle, it's just sad to see so much money disappear so fast :) | 08:45 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah, you said norway was expensive, does that count for house rent also? | 08:47 |
lotuspsychje | years ago i recall norway invited foreign ppl to come to live in norway in free houses right? | 08:48 |
ducasse | can't remember that, but housing costs are pretty expensive. | 08:49 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: cant you save money by changing provider/water/electricity etc? | 08:54 |
Ben64 | what | 08:54 |
Ben64 | i wanna move to norway for a free house | 08:54 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: we saved like 50% on switching internet provider and cheaper gas/electricity | 08:54 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: don't need to, really :) electricity cost isn't that bad. | 08:55 |
Ben64 | my electric bill was $75 last month : / | 08:55 |
lotuspsychje | Ben64: thats rather good right? | 08:57 |
Ben64 | it's expensive | 08:57 |
ducasse | housing is cheaper in the us than here, afaik | 08:57 |
Ben64 | only going up from here | 08:57 |
Ben64 | temps rising | 08:57 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: another user in #u having problems with ath9k driver on zesty... seems to be common. | 09:01 |
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immu | ducasse: hi | 09:27 |
ducasse | \o | 09:32 |
immu | ducasse: how u doing | 09:33 |
ducasse | good thanks, and you? | 09:34 |
immu | ducasse: good | 09:45 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah had a few wifi issues lately on zesty on different chipsets | 10:10 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse, Ben64 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2997012/Yours-just-FIVE-PENCE-Norwegian-holiday-home-comes-island-private-beach-stunning-views-need-renovations.html | 10:11 |
lotuspsychje | !info firefox | 10:15 |
ubot5 | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 53.0+build6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 47104 kB, installed size 111977 kB | 10:15 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: lol | 10:16 |
lotuspsychje | hehe | 10:16 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: that is _remote_ :) | 10:16 |
lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop | 10:17 |
ducasse | lotuspsychje: getting materials and equipment to do it up out there is going to cost a fortune in itself | 10:17 |
lotuspsychje | good news for blueskaj | 10:17 |
ducasse | kde as default will probably never happen, i think, but it's not really an issue as long as all the flavors exist | 10:19 |
lotuspsychje | yeah dont think so neither | 10:20 |
lotuspsychje | im getting this after i installed kubuntu-desktop: https://hastebin.com/uxuxitewan.sql | 10:29 |
ducasse | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb | 10:30 |
lotuspsychje | lemme try | 10:30 |
lotuspsychje | dpkg error | 10:31 |
BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:02 |
daftykins | \o wb | 11:04 |
ducasse | \o | 11:04 |
BluesKaj | Hey daftykins, ducasse | 11:05 |
EriC^^ | hey daftykins ducasse BluesKaj | 11:11 |
ducasse | wb EriC^^ :) | 11:12 |
EriC^^ | thanks ducasse | 11:12 |
EriC^^ | :) | 11:12 |
daftykins | \o | 11:12 |
BluesKaj | Hi EriC^^ | 11:13 |
lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj | 11:55 |
lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: seen this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop | 11:55 |
lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-mate-desktop | 12:34 |
ubot5 | ubuntu-mate-desktop (source: ubuntu-mate-meta): Ubuntu MATE - full desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.154.1 (xenial), package size 3 kB, installed size 16 kB | 12:34 |
lordievader | lotuspsychje: Why would they make Ubuntu run KDE? What is the point in having Kubuntu and Ubuntu if they both run the same stuff. | 12:54 |
lordievader | I'd rather see a combination of force than doing the same thing in parallel. | 12:55 |
lotuspsychje | lordievader: its working now, and just testing out stuff here | 12:55 |
ducasse | never going to happen, but if it did, kubuntu would just cut the 'k' from the name. | 12:56 |
BluesKaj | don't think it's gonna happen , too many kde haters out there | 12:57 |
BluesKaj | and some of them on the ubuntu council have issues with JR | 13:00 |
ducasse | is he the guy that was fired as lead? | 13:01 |
lotuspsychje | ducasse: http://imgur.com/a/Oo1sh | 13:02 |
lordievader | Yeah, he was pretty much bullied away. | 13:02 |
lotuspsychje | perhaps a w1ndows rat infiltrated to make ubuntu ugly | 13:03 |
lotuspsychje | to gain popularity | 13:03 |
BluesKaj | the main perp doesn't seem to be around anymore or hr changed his nick ...wish I could recall it, think I'd recognize it if it was listed | 13:11 |
immu | BluesKaj: how are your adventures going on? | 13:12 |
BluesKaj | pretended he was a nice person , but he plotted against JR and promoted false accusations against him | 13:13 |
BluesKaj | immu: what adventures? | 13:16 |
ducasse | BluesKaj: i didn't follow that thing at all, just read the news that the lead was asked to resign and a lot of people were unhappy about it. | 13:17 |
immu | distro ones BluesKaj? | 13:17 |
BluesKaj | well, I'm on Kubuntu 17.04 atm and have Debian Stetch on another partition...tried fedora 25 gnome 3.22on the laptop, very smooth on default Wayland, but gnome is gnome so I dumped it | 13:22 |
immu | did you try neon kde ? BluesKaj | 13:23 |
BluesKaj | yeah a few months ago, but it wasn't anything special in my estimation | 13:24 |
immu | its based on LTS so nope for me to . blur | 13:25 |
BluesKaj | there's lot of arch type hype around neon, but it didn't do much for me...your experience may be different tho | 13:25 |
immu | BluesKaj: | 13:25 |
immu | what are you thoughts on manjaro kde . BluesKaj | 13:28 |
ducasse | manjaro - "arch done the wrong way" | 13:30 |
immu | ducasse: why so? and what do you use as your prefered distro? | 13:31 |
BluesKaj | immu: I have opnion about manjaro...haven't tried it | 13:31 |
BluesKaj | no opinion | 13:31 |
ducasse | immu: it's arch set up so the user "shouldn't" need to understand what's going on underneath, which contradicts the entire point of arch | 13:33 |
immu | is kubuntu still a official flavour of Ubuntu | 13:34 |
lotuspsychje | !flavors | 13:34 |
ubot5 | Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours | 13:34 |
immu | i am always gravitated towards ubuntu | 13:37 |
BluesKaj | yeah once you've installed arch via the shell , then you have just an ordinary OS which doesn't really do anything much different than other OSs. it's a competent OS there's no doubt , but after all the work to install it I'm left with the conclusion , ok now what? is that all there is? :-) | 13:37 |
ducasse | you sort of assemble it piece by piece to do whatever you want it to do :) | 13:39 |
immu | Ok ducasse BluesKaj but as said i am always gravitated towards Ubuntu, no matter distro, it works so well for me | 13:39 |
ducasse | i use ubuntu on everything except my desktop, it works well on pretty much anything | 13:43 |
immu | ducasse: why not on desktop, because of unity? | 13:43 |
lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-release-date | 13:44 |
ducasse | immu: i need very recent versions of certain packages, and i need to self-build a number of things. i also like knowing exactly how everything is configured. | 13:46 |
immu | brb | 14:15 |
immu | BluesKaj: back | 14:53 |
immu | its so quite in here? | 14:55 |
nicomachus | immu: it's almost always quiet in here | 15:12 |
nicomachus | nautilus tells me I have 322.1 GB free, but my indicator applet in the menu bar only says 299.94GB.... hmmm... | 15:13 |
ducasse | gigabyte vs gibibyte | 15:19 |
nicomachus | huh | 15:20 |
nicomachus | what's a gibibyte | 15:20 |
nicomachus | am I missing a joke? | 15:20 |
ducasse | https://techterms.com/definition/gibibyte | 15:20 |
EriC^^ | those terms really sound stupid | 15:21 |
ducasse | 322 gigabyte = 299.88586902603 gibibyte | 15:21 |
nicomachus | what | 15:22 |
nicomachus | the | 15:22 |
nicomachus | actual | 15:22 |
nicomachus | crap | 15:22 |
ducasse | when you buy a disk, the size is actually specified in gibibytes. saves the manufacturers money and makes your disk smaller than what you though you were getting. | 15:23 |
nicomachus | why does my indicator applet use a different unit of measurement than the rest of my machine? | 15:23 |
ducasse | it's silly, but that's how sad things are now. | 15:25 |
EriC^^ | they should make 1 unit for it | 15:25 |
EriC^^ | SI is bibyte right? | 15:26 |
ducasse | yes, they made that 'the standard'. | 15:26 |
EriC^^ | it can get pretty confusing, especially in linux tools | 15:31 |
EriC^^ | parted is in GB, df in GiB, etc | 15:31 |
ducasse | "si - because idiots don't know how to multiply by 1024." ;) | 15:32 |
EriC^^ | isn't it the opposite? | 15:33 |
EriC^^ | 1 kebibyte is 1024bytes , and 1 kilobyte 1000bytes? | 15:33 |
ducasse | _now_, yes, but a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes for all of my life. | 15:34 |
EriC^^ | hi pauljw | 17:58 |
pauljw | hey EriC^^ :) | 17:58 |
blackflow | Any ideas what's the point of the new ubuntu server installer? What was wrong with the debian text mode installer? | 23:36 |
daftykins | oh they ruined that now too? oh dear | 23:37 |
daftykins | if it's on 17.xx releases then it's moot, LTS all the way | 23:37 |
blackflow | No, but seriously, I thought Unity was lessons learned in the NIH no-no. I guess learning is hard. | 23:38 |
blackflow | was anything wrong with the debian installer? | 23:39 |
daftykins | i suppose only the mandatory DHCP attempt approach grated with me over the years | 23:41 |
blackflow | that's easily fixable | 23:42 |
daftykins | well, changed... fix implies there's a flaw | 23:43 |
daftykins | anywho, not seen what the new take is | 23:43 |
blackflow | here's a preview: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install | 23:43 |
daftykins | ta | 23:43 |
daftykins | yep that looks like reinventing the wheel | 23:48 |
tsimonq2 | I think it's a poor naming choice. | 23:49 |
tsimonq2 | sub-iquity... | 23:49 |
daftykins | heh i wasn't sure if it was a legit name or the guy was claiming it as the inferior version of ubiquity ;D | 23:50 |
tsimonq2 | It's apparently legit. | 23:50 |
tsimonq2 | I will add that dash whenever I reference it until someone gets the clue. :D | 23:51 |
blackflow | subnihquity :) | 23:54 |
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